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The Holocost
Posted by: ?uestion Mark ()
Date: April 23, 2009 09:02PM

Did the Holocost happen? If so, how many people died? How do we know this? Is there any evidence? I went to a Fairfax County High School years ago and learned that 6,000,000 Jews were killed, but I'm hearing numbers as low as 1,000,000, changing stories, and possibilities that the Holocost didn't even happen at all. What's going on here? Can somebody present me with some evidence as to what happened in regards to The Holocost? I met a Jew once who spoke at my school who had numbers tattoed into his arm. He said The Nazis did it. I believed him. Was he full of it?

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Re: The Holocost
Date: April 23, 2009 09:59PM

Yes, you are a troll. But I just feel inclined to respond.

First, it is the Holocaust.

Second, they know its six million because they counted the dead and the missing. You had European cities with large Jewish populations which were totally emptied out by the Nazis. Many of them never came back and never went to Israel or the U.S.

Third, I always love that argument, "Well, maybe it wasn't really six million. Maybe it was a million. Maybe it was half-a-million."

If it were 10,000, would it be right of anyone to put 10,000 people (including women and children) in a pen, starve them, work them to death, randomly beat them, shoot them, rape them, torture them and gas them? Then to throw them, some of them still breathing, into ovens?

Does that make it more right?

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: ?uestion Mark ()
Date: April 23, 2009 10:21PM

It doesn't make it right at all. I'm wondering what the sources are? How can the 'holocost denying' crowd have any traction if they have no facts? What is their deal? Are they just letting time fade, and hoping to fool others? It's a weird phenomenon.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 23, 2009 11:05PM

There's one advantage the living have over the dead...the living can rewrite history anyway they want..and it is done all the time. Go to the source...read Hitler's Mein Kampf...in it Hitler laid out his plans for the final solution.

My Uncle was in Patton's Army during WW II..and he saw some of the camps first hand...they existed.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: April 23, 2009 11:39PM

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: a filthy liberal ()
Date: April 24, 2009 12:57AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Strangely enough, the 'holocost denying' crowd and
> today’s liberals have a lot in common.

Such as?

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: April 24, 2009 01:25AM

?uestion Mark Wrote:
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> I'm wondering what the sources are?


I guess all the film footage taken by Americans and British that liberated the camps aren't good enough for you. Not to mention all the german film footage, eyewitnesses (many are German civilians that were forced to come in and bury the thousands of decaying corpses) and the surviving victims still with tattoos, defects and scars.
Maybe the Nurenburg trials where German officers admitted to taking part of the atrocities but denied responsibility (just following orders) just aren't enough proof for that Iranian cocksucker and people like him that deny.


> How can the 'holocost denying' crowd have any traction if they have no
> facts? What is their deal? Are they just letting
> time fade, and hoping to fool others? It's a weird
> phenomenon.

They make NO effort to look for facts. If they did, they would find more than enough evidence to convince any halfwit. Just take a close look at those that deny the holocaust and draw up your own psychological profile and ask yourself, "Is this someone that seems informed enough to go against 60 years of eyewitnesses, film and physical evidence and all other forms of documented evidence?"
The answer should always be no, but if you choose to believe a complete fool like the asshole below, well have a nice life.
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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:12AM

Some of the discussion seems to be based on the "facts" that the 6 million jews did not all get murdered in the concentration camps. That the majority of jews killed were just part of overall carnage of WW II that included Russians...Poles...Slavs...and who knows how many other people. In other words...Jews were not singled out and therefor are not victims of a holocaust. To some degree this may be true...but I second Washingtonelocians positions that if even half the 6 million were killed in concentration camps doesnt undermine the tragedy.

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Re: The Holocost
Date: April 24, 2009 07:31AM

?uestion Mark Wrote:
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> Did the Holocost happen? If so, how many people
> died? How do we know this? Is there any evidence?

Yes and we know this through a variety of evidence. We have witness statements, we have documents, and we have physical evidence.

> I went to a Fairfax County High School years ago
> and learned that 6,000,000 Jews were killed, but
> I'm hearing numbers as low as 1,000,000, changing
> stories, and possibilities that the Holocost
> didn't even happen at all. What's going on here?

You should, perhaps, stop hanging around with white supremacists. I've heard the figure is somewhere around 4-6 million. There's obviously some level of error there, but it is an estimate.

> Can somebody present me with some evidence as to
> what happened in regards to The Holocost? I met a

There's a great book by Michael Shermer that details the evidence for the holocaust and the objections from the deluded deniers.

Actually the deniers argue in a similar manner to creationists - which is an odd corollary since most deniers accept an incorrect version of evolution; they believe that evolution is a 'ladder' where humans (specifically *white*) sit at the top.

Their position is an insult to intelligence.

> Jew once who spoke at my school who had numbers
> tattoed into his arm. He said The Nazis did it. I
> believed him. Was he full of it?

No.

Also, they were death camps, not concentration camps.

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Re: The Holocost
Date: April 24, 2009 07:34AM

Numbers Wrote:
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> ?uestion Mark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm wondering what the sources are?
>
>
> I guess all the film footage taken by Americans
> and British that liberated the camps aren't good
> enough for you. Not to mention all the german film
> footage, eyewitnesses (many are German civilians
> that were forced to come in and bury the thousands
> of decaying corpses) and the surviving victims
> still with tattoos, defects and scars.

Technically I believe the Russians liberated the death camps - as they were in Poland. I think US and the British liberated the concentration camps.

This is a nit-pick though.

> Maybe the Nurenburg trials where German officers
> admitted to taking part of the atrocities but
> denied responsibility (just following orders) just
> aren't enough proof for that Iranian cocksucker
> and people like him that deny.

Exactly.

You would have to argue that the German leaders who admitted to the atrocities and then committed suicide were just attempting to spread a little dissension before they died.

Which is ludicrous.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Shadow ()
Date: April 24, 2009 08:58AM

There are always people who will speak with confidence and certainty even though their position has no basis or the basis is completely false. Every party, every ethnicity, every gender has people who will do this. It gets them attention and recognition even though they have nothing worthwhile to contribute to society.

That is why there are people who claim there was no holocaust.

That is why there are people who claim they were abducted by aliens.

That is why there are people who claim they can talk to the dead.

The list goes on.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Predator Obama ()
Date: April 24, 2009 09:18AM

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Bob in VA ()
Date: April 24, 2009 02:29PM

"That the majority of jews killed were just part of overall carnage of WW II that included Russians...Poles...Slavs...and who knows how many other people. In other words...Jews were not singled out and therefor are not victims of a holocaust."

Well, this "fact" is simply not true. A trip to any good bookstore or library will confirm that this "fact" is nonsense.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 24, 2009 03:23PM

Some interesting facts on WW II deaths....Russia actually had the most deaths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties



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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:09PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Jews were not singled out and therefor are not victims
> of a holocaust.


i guess the stars they wore were just a fad.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Sneed Hearn ()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:16PM

So how much does a holo cost anyway?

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Re: The Holocost
Date: April 24, 2009 07:16PM

There were tens of millions of deaths during WWII. Most were due to the war and its effects. There weren't many non-Jewish Poles or Russians or Slavs who were given the "Dachau" treatment by the Nazis.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Bull Connor ()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:22PM

Some interesting facts on WW II deaths....China actually had the most deaths. I didnt realize that...perhaps due to our Western Hemisphere view of the world.

Wrong again Vince, you dim-witted bastard! Russia had the most deaths in WWII.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:30PM

Bull Connor Wrote:
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> Some interesting facts on WW II deaths....Russia
> actually had the most deaths. >

> Wrong again Vince, you dim-witted bastard! Russia
> had the most deaths in WWII.

WHat are you talking about?



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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:34PM

Looking at the statistics...DO they justify/explain the need to create Israel?

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Bull Connor ()
Date: April 24, 2009 10:04PM

Russia had 9 million casualties, more than any other country. China wasn't even close. Vince, you pig-ignorant moron, you are going to have to start paying for this education I'm giving you.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 24, 2009 10:55PM

Bull Connor Wrote:
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> Russia had 9 million casualties, more than any
> other country. China wasn't even close. Vince, you
> pig-ignorant moron, you are going to have to start
> paying for this education I'm giving you.

Total deaths were much closer..a mere 3 million differnece. But I think I said that.

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Re: The Holocost
Date: April 24, 2009 10:59PM

I believe that the Russians had the most casualties - however what happened to the Jews was an entirely different thing.

Soldiers died in camps, civilians suffered as casualties of war, and people starved true.

But it was the Germans that rounded up their own people, shipped them to death camps in Poland and gassed them. Mostly Jewish people, but they also took homosexual, gypsies, people with down syndrome, and others.

These were not enemy combatants. These were their own people who had been systematically oppressed since prior to the war. They were put into ghettos and then shipped to death camps.

Trying to downplay the devastation and the atrocity or give any credence to the deniers is an insult to the human race.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: April 25, 2009 02:24AM

This thread is proof that the majority of people in the world are stupid, which is frightening to think about.

That masses of people would turn on others who are being singled out for no intelligent logical reason is proof that it can easily be done again,

You would think that in light of this horrific event in history countries would be quick to nip it in the bud if it were to ever happen again, but look at the Serbian conflict and their tribe cleansing. Look at the Trail of Tears of the Indians here. As long as evil exists this will continue.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Pogram ()
Date: April 25, 2009 02:31AM

What's wrong with eliminating retarded people? Isn't it more humane to kill them than it is to burden families and communities with these people? What do retarded people contribute to the world? We put animals to sleep, so should we eliminate retarded people.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: April 25, 2009 04:00AM

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 25, 2009 07:21AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Jews were not singled out and therefor are not victims
> > of a holocaust.
>
> i guess the stars they wore were just a fad.


what, no reply? must be because you are completely wrong.


Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Bull Connor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Russia had 9 million casualties, more than any
> > other country. China wasn't even close. Vince, you
> > pig-ignorant moron, you are going to have to start
> > paying for this education I'm giving you.
>
> Total deaths were much closer..a mere 3 million
> differnece. But I think I said that.


a mere three million differnece?! your lack of respect for human life is discusting.

you are such a hipocrit.


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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Golda MyEye! ()
Date: April 25, 2009 07:47AM

The problem with people like Vince is that because they disagree with the rationale for Israel they question the accuracy of the Holocaust evidence. I see the two as being separate things.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Bull Connor ()
Date: April 25, 2009 08:56AM

a mere 3 million differnece. A MERE 3 million? Vince, you should try and get a handle on your rampant stupidity. Not to mention your inability to spell.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: April 25, 2009 09:50AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Bull Connor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some interesting facts on WW II
> deaths....Russia
> > actually had the most deaths. >
>
> > Wrong again Vince, you dim-witted bastard!
> Russia
> > had the most deaths in WWII.
>
> WHat are you talking about?


Out of everey three dead, one was Russian.

If this is not "the most", then it is sure close.



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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: April 25, 2009 09:54AM

Pogram Wrote:
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> What's wrong with eliminating retarded people?
> Isn't it more humane to kill them than it is to
> burden families and communities with these people?
> What do retarded people contribute to the world?
> We put animals to sleep, so should we eliminate
> retarded people.


I totally agree. And you should be elminated. Let us take a vote.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: April 25, 2009 11:55AM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Pogram Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What's wrong with eliminating retarded people?
> > Isn't it more humane to kill them than it is to
> > burden families and communities with these
> people?
> > What do retarded people contribute to the
> world?
> > We put animals to sleep, so should we eliminate
> > retarded people.
>
>
> I totally agree. And you should be elminated. Let
> us take a vote.


Frankly, if we go in this direction, FFXU would completely cease to exist.

Think about it.

Now carry on.

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I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 25, 2009 03:33PM

Golda MyEye! Wrote:
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> The problem with people like Vince is that because
> they disagree with the rationale for Israel they
> question the accuracy of the Holocaust evidence. I
> see the two as being separate things.

You are reading a lot more into my comments then I intended. I have no doubt that the holocaust occured. And I did not express any disagreement with the rationale for Israel...I am sure the rationale for Israel goes well beyond the holocaust. Though if it is biblical based...I would challenge that as an authentic rationale.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 25, 2009 03:36PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > Jews were not singled out and therefor are not
> victims
> > > of a holocaust.
> >
> > i guess the stars they wore were just a fad.
>
> what, no reply? must be because you are
> completely wrong.
>
>
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bull Connor Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > Russia had 9 million casualties, more than
> any
> > > other country. China wasn't even close. Vince,
> you
> > > pig-ignorant moron, you are going to have to
> start
> > > paying for this education I'm giving you.
> >
> > Total deaths were much closer..a mere 3 million
> > differnece. But I think I said that.
>
> a mere three million differnece?! your lack of
> respect for human life is discusting.
>
> you are such a hipocrit.
>

You are irrelevant.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 25, 2009 03:47PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> You are irrelevant.


oh such intelligent debate.

it's clear that you wont debate it because even you realize you are dead wrong.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 25, 2009 04:15PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> -----
> > You are irrelevant.
>
> oh such intelligent debate.
>
> it's clear that you wont debate it because even
> you realize you are dead wrong.
>
>

Interesting...what point did you make worth debating or discussing..my use of the word "mere"?

I really dont know how to debate such a ridiculous point. You feel it shows some callousness on the value of human life on my part. OK...I dont think thats quite the statement as yours decribing our soldiers, sailors, air men and marine lives as "expendable". Perhaps you relally didnt mean "expendable"...certainly one expects lost of life in any armed conflict....but that is a far cry from being "expendable. But...I dont think you have offered a clarification.

Certainly my use of the word "mere" wasnt meant to diminish the horror of the loss of one life...but just a statistical comparison..that you either accept or do not.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Bull Connor ()
Date: April 25, 2009 05:38PM

Vince, you fatuous ass, 3 million people is hardly worthy of being called "mere".
It's already obvious that you are an illiterate. It's becoming apparent that not only can you not spell but you don't even know the meaning of words.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 25, 2009 06:10PM

Dear Bull..I only wish you were the great humanitarian that you pretend to be. In fact you appear to be no better then an eletist...worried more about style then substance....with very little to actually contribute. Another Gravis! Ahhhh...eureka....perhaps you are Gravis..pretending to have a ground swell on venom in you. In eany case..you are non-consequential.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 25, 2009 08:48PM

Go fuck yourself you racist asshole. You hate Jewish people and don't understand why people care about their pets.


You are one stupid piece of shit.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 25, 2009 10:02PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> Go fuck yourself you racist asshole. You hate
> Jewish people and don't understand why people care
> about their pets.
>
>
> You are one stupid piece of shit.

Well...isnt that an intersting comment. I do not hate Jews...questioning US foreign policy as it applies to Israel is not synonymous with hating Jews. I owe my allegiance to only one country..the USA.

You are correct..I do not understand why people are more connected with their pets then other human beings. To me it's a form of idolotry....raising a species we have domain over to human status. That does not mean I wish anything bad for animals and I certainly do not believe in animal cruelty. But neither do I believe in bombing reseach centers that use animals to test new medication on. Neither do I believe we should be spending as much money on animals as we do. It is ridiculous on the amount of medical care US pets get...blood transfusions...MRIs...transplants....not when there are people who dont get that same level of care.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 25, 2009 10:07PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Interesting...what point did you make worth
> debating or discussing..my use of the word
> "mere"?


reading in fundamental
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Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Jews were not singled out and therefor are not victims
> > of a holocaust.
>
> i guess the stars they wore were just a fad.

what, no reply? must be because you are completely wrong.

so, were the jews still not singled out even though they were forced to wear stars to indicate they were jews?


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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 25, 2009 11:03PM

Vince, I know your opinion on foreign policy doesn't make you anti-semite. But just like Gravis's quote, you have time and time again made off color remarks about Jewish people.

And I am sure your hatred of Jews influences your "foreign policy opinion."


See you in hell.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: April 25, 2009 11:12PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Furfur Wrote:
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> -----
> > Go fuck yourself you racist asshole. You hate
> > Jewish people and don't understand why people
> care
> > about their pets.
> >
> >
> > You are one stupid piece of shit.
>
> Well...isnt that an intersting comment. I do not
> hate Jews...questioning US foreign policy as it
> applies to Israel is not synonymous with hating
> Jews. I owe my allegiance to only one
> country..the USA.
>
> You are correct..I do not understand why people
> are more connected with their pets then other
> human beings. To me it's a form of
> idolotry....raising a species we have domain over
> to human status. That does not mean I wish
> anything bad for animals and I certainly do not
> believe in animal cruelty. But neither do I
> believe in bombing reseach centers that use
> animals to test new medication on. Neither do I
> believe we should be spending as much money on
> animals as we do. It is ridiculous on the amount
> of medical care US pets get...blood
> transfusions...MRIs...transplants....not when
> there are people who dont get that same level of
> care.


I agree with you on this issue Vince. In this country animals are treated better then some humans. The amount of money that's available to animals is more abundant that money for people...are people afraid of people is that why they focus on animals instead? Simple animal love appears to be less complicated then reaching out to people.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 25, 2009 11:15PM

Maybe its because animals don't plot and conspire and backstab like people do. It seems no matter how much you help people, they are always one step from spitting in your face.

Spunky, when you pray at night, I am under your bed.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: April 25, 2009 11:33PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> Maybe its because animals don't plot and conspire
> and backstab like people do. It seems no matter
> how much you help people, they are always one step
> from spitting in your face.
>
> Spunky, when you pray at night, I am under your
> bed.


You need to run with a better bunch of people. Animals don't mind

eating a face-off either. I believe children are worth the effort.


You are not under my bed, because you obviously don't know what I do at night...you animal!

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 25, 2009 11:39PM

Spunky wrote:

You are not under my bed, because you obviously don't know what I do at night...you animal!


Pull back your bed...this will be burned on your floor.
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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: April 26, 2009 04:41AM

spunky Wrote:
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> This thread is proof that the majority of people
> in the world are stupid, which is frightening to
> think about.
>
> That masses of people would turn on others who
> are being singled out for no intelligent logical
> reason is proof that it can easily be done again,
>
> You would think that in light of this horrific
> event in history countries would be quick to nip
> it in the bud if it were to ever happen again, but
> look at the Serbian conflict and their tribe
> cleansing. Look at the Trail of Tears of the
> Indians here. As long as evil exists this will
> continue.


this thread to me is not stupidity, he came here asking an honest question, why do so many people deny that the holocost happened? he asked if there is any reasonable evidence that suggests otherwise, he didnt push an agenda. If people took everything they had been told as fact without questioning, then we would be in trouble. I dont personally believe the holocost didnt happen, i just dont think we should shit on someone for asking an honest question.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: April 26, 2009 04:58AM

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: April 26, 2009 06:14AM

what defense? and that question is about as loaded as asking, "why are there so many 9/11 truth people out there? is there any evidence to support the claim that it was an inside job?".

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: April 26, 2009 06:32AM

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 26, 2009 09:01AM

Furfur Wrote:
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> Vince, I know your opinion on foreign policy
> doesn't make you anti-semite. But just like
> Gravis's quote, you have time and time again made
> off color remarks about Jewish people.
>
> And I am sure your hatred of Jews influences your
> "foreign policy opinion."
>
>
> See you in hell.


I challenge you or anyone else to find an anti-jewish statement that I have made on here. I did not attribute the anti-holocaust opinions to reflect my opinion. I did just the opposite.

And if I need to...I will state my opinion. I am 100% sure that jews...gypsies...homosexuals and communists were singled out for imprisonment and death by Nazi Germany.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Truth about Vince ()
Date: April 26, 2009 10:43AM

Vince said:

"I challenge you or anyone else to find an anti-jewish statement that I have made on here. I did not attribute the anti-holocaust opinions to reflect my opinion. I did just the opposite."


September 15 2008:

"He's just another diamond trading Jew."

October 2 2008:

"major banks are run by the Jews"

October 11 2008:

"The Germans were protecting their homeland"

December 20 2008:

"If it wasn't for Israel's greed the middle east would be peaceful as the Arabs are peaceful people"

February 7 2009:

"Jewish people wore stars in WWII as an act of rebellion against anti-usury laws"

Good enough for you?

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Bull Connor ()
Date: April 26, 2009 11:19AM

Those quotes can't be from Vince. They're all spelled correctly!

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Truth ()
Date: April 26, 2009 11:29AM

Enough bickering, children. Evidence and logic is what I'm looking for...not comments about Vince being an antisemite or whatever.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Rid us of Vince ()
Date: April 26, 2009 11:31AM

Fair enough...but you can't have an intelligent debate when Vince has such rage for Jewish people.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 26, 2009 12:06PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Jews were not singled out and therefor are not victims
> of a holocaust.


Vince(1) Wrote:
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> And if I need to...I will state my opinion. I am
> 100% sure that jews...gypsies...homosexuals and
> communists were singled out for imprisonment and
> death by Nazi Germany.



so which is it?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Shadow ()
Date: April 26, 2009 12:08PM

It seems Vince is confused.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: J. Goebbels ()
Date: April 26, 2009 12:23PM

Kenny_Powers Wrote:
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>
>
> this thread to me is not stupidity, he came here
> asking an honest question, why do so many people
> deny that the holocost happened? he asked if there
> is any reasonable evidence that suggests
> otherwise, he didnt push an agenda. If people took
> everything they had been told as fact without
> questioning, then we would be in trouble. I dont
> personally believe the holocost didnt happen, i
> just dont think we should shit on someone for
> asking an honest question.


I have to differ. To paraphrase Goebbels, "Repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth."

There is an effort here by the anti-Israel/anti-Jewish crowd to raise "reasonable doubt" about the Holocaust. As we have seen in recent years, some fairly high profile people are buying into this nonsense.

Let's set the record straight. The Holocaust did happen and it was pretty horrific. Movies like The Pianist and Schindler's List are mostly on-target with the depiction of Nazi atrocities against the Jews.

Nazis were pretty good record keepers, and it shouldn't be surprising at all that there is ample evidence out there to support the belief that around 6 million Jews died.

Do the Israelis over-play The Holocaust card for sympathy? Yes. But that is no reason to deny that The Holocaust happened as most historians have reported. Does questioning The Holocaust make you anti-Semitic? It depends on your motivation. I think about half of the people pushing it are out-and-out anti-Semitic and the other half are those "useful idiots" the Communists used to laugh about.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 26, 2009 12:40PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> Vince, I know your opinion on foreign policy
> doesn't make you anti-semite. But just like
> Gravis's quote, you have time and time again made
> off color remarks about Jewish people.
>
> And I am sure your hatred of Jews influences your
> "foreign policy opinion."
>
>
> See you in hell.


I in no way hate jews.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 26, 2009 12:47PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I in no way hate jews.


do you hate israel?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 26, 2009 03:04PM

Vince(1) wrote:

April 13 10:02 AM

"That is hardly a correct description of Isarel..a nation founded by terrorirsts and based on racial aparteid."



Labeling them as terrorists and saying they are racist? I'd say you hate Israel, and in my experience, people that hate Israel hate it because they have a seeded disdain for Jewish people.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/2009 03:08PM by Furfur.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 26, 2009 03:14PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> Vince(1) wrote:
>
> April 13 10:02 AM
>
> "That is hardly a correct description of Isarel..a
> nation founded by terrorirsts and based on racial
> aparteid."
>
>
>
> Labeling them as terrorists and saying they are
> racist? I'd say you hate Israel, and in my
> experience, people that hate Israel hate it
> because they have a seeded disdain for Jewish
> people.


well..for once your experience is different. I do not approve of the overwhelming force Israey uses against the palestininians..and I am of the opinion that the govt of Israel really does not want to a peace agreement with the Palestinians on any terms other then surrender.

But I do not hate Jews...I dont blame individuals for the policies of their government.

Gravis..I consider myself more and more neutral on Israel...I do not hate Israel nor Jews.

By the way...their founding fathers were terrorists. They blew up British soldiers...and Palestinians to gain their country. Facts are facts.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/2009 03:17PM by Vince(1).

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 26, 2009 03:21PM

So you support Palestinians? People that get attention by blowing up buses?

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: April 26, 2009 06:31PM

A moment of silence for poor Vince's leg to stand on.

It's not really surprising that someone who hates white people and black people so much would also hate jews. And yet, Vince says constantly how he's working towards "a better country."

Thank god he sucks at it.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 26, 2009 06:38PM

I'm sure if Israelis were coming into the U.S. illegally on rafts and running the border, Vince would support them. If Israelis hung out at 7-11 looking for jobs, Vince would be on this board every day calling for support of Israel.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 26, 2009 08:32PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> So you support Palestinians? People that get
> attention by blowing up buses?


Thats quite a jump in logic...let's just say I am equally ambivolent..and am not ready to declare the second cumming of Christ on the backs of the Israelis or Palestinians.

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 26, 2009 08:35PM

Wow, I see you are up to your nightly prolific postings...

Suggestion: Download Firefox, it has a spell check while you type.

The "second cumming" of Christ?
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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 26, 2009 08:39PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> I'm sure if Israelis were coming into the U.S.
> illegally on rafts and running the border, Vince
> would support them. If Israelis hung out at 7-11
> looking for jobs, Vince would be on this board
> every day calling for support of Israel.

Im proud to say...yes I would. And this country should be ashamed for turning Jews away just when they needed help the most. This is basically the same hate we use against hispanics now.


http://www.narrow-gate.net/jeffking/archives/002665.html

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: off topic ()
Date: April 26, 2009 08:57PM

We're getting off topic here. Once again, attention whore vince tries to hijack a thread and make it all about him. Hey guys! It's the VINCE show! Lets just disregard what the OP wrote and the debate ensuing and discuss what some other guy thinks about nothing!

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: April 29, 2009 11:41AM

Oh hey, look, evidence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8022667.stm

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Re: The Holocost
Date: April 29, 2009 11:53AM

There's no record of the Holocaust...I mean, besides the "16 miles of files" on 17 million people compiled by the Nazis during WWII (yeah, remember those serial numbers they tattooed on people?)...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm

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Re: The Holocost
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 01, 2009 02:26PM

Oh no, more evidence!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-04-30-FDR_N.htm

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