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Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: February 25, 2015 09:57PM
This time, Donald J. Trump says, he really means it.
The billionaire real-estate mogul, who has long amounted to a one-man sideshow in GOP presidential politics, said in an interview Wednesday that he is “more serious” than ever about pursuing a run for the White House in 2016.
In recent days, Trump said, he has hired staffers in key primary states, retained an election attorney and delayed signing on for another season as host of NBC’s “The Celebrity Apprentice” because of his political projects.
“Everybody feels I’m doing this just to have fun or because it’s good for the brand,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. “Well, it’s not fun. I’m not doing this for enjoyment. I’m doing this because the country is in serious trouble.”
The moves are the most significant steps yet by Trump, 68, toward a bona fide presidential bid, which he considered briefly and flamboyantly in 2011 before deciding against a run.
The looming question, however, is whether he can convince Republicans that he is more than a celebrity bomb-thrower and instead is sincere in his consideration of a campaign. Trump is slated to appear ahead of former Florida governor Jeb Bush on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference, an annual gathering of conservatives near Washington.
Trump in recent years has served largely as a provocateur on the sidelines of Republican politics, flirting with “birtherism” and making other remarks casting doubt on President Obama’s credentials and love of country. GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney frequently shared the stage with Trump in often awkward appearances during the 2012 campaign, providing ample fodder for Democratic attack ads.
Trump would face steep challenges entering a field that is almost certain to include Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, among a dozen others, including many conservative hopefuls who have built their own networks. But his entry would also bring into the race a colorful contender with deep pockets and a national following — attracting media attention and forcing others to respond to his views.
Democrats reacted to Trump’s plans with eye-rolling. “You mean there’s a chance that he could blow up the entire Republican field and get ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ off my television? Sign me up!” wrote Mo Elleithee, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, in an e-mail.
Many Republicans were also skeptical.
“It’s a free country and he can do whatever he wants with his money, but the notion of him being elected president is pretty remote,” said Thomas D. Rath, a former attorney general in New Hampshire. “Running for president shouldn’t be a reality show that you watch once a week.”
As part of his preparations, Trump met Monday in New York with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, telling him that he was actively mulling a presidential run, according to people familiar with the conversation. Priebus, who will remain neutral in the 2016 primaries, took the meeting because of Trump’s status as a prominent donor to the RNC.
For the moment, Trump’s consultants will be employed by his personal office, but they are likely to transition over to a new political group in the coming weeks. Donald F. McGahn, a partner at Jones Day, is counseling the businessman as he takes further steps.
Corey R. Lewandowski, a former director of voter registration at Americans for Prosperity, a group backed by conservative industrialists Charles and David Koch, has been asked by Trump to serve as his senior political adviser and manager for the campaign-in-waiting. Alan Cobb, a former political adviser at Koch Industries, is another Republican who has signed on with Trump and is assisting with recruitment.
Based in New Hampshire, Lewandowski will direct Trump’s efforts in the first presidential primary and nationally if Trump jumps into the race later this year.
“The dysfunction of Washington and politics as usual drew me away from other candidates and toward someone who’s gotten something done in the business world,” Lewandowski said in an interview. To doubters, he added: “Wait and see. Mr. Trump is going to reintroduce himself to the American public. This is going to be a real contest, and no one wants to see a coronation.”
Chuck Laudner, who advised former senator Rick Santorum’s 2012 victory in the Iowa presidential caucuses, will lead Trump’s expected campaign there. Laudner’s hire was first reported Tuesday by the conservative Breitbart news Web site.
And in South Carolina, Ed McMullen, who has assisted the presidential campaigns of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), has agreed to serve as Trump’s state chairman and political adviser. Also on board is state Rep. James H. Merrill.
Advising Trump on communications is Sam Nunberg, a political operative who is an associate of Roger Stone, the famed New York-based GOP opposition researcher.
In the meantime, political insiders will be monitoring his words and movements closely to ascertain whether Trump is actually inching closer to a national run — an idea he has considered for nearly three decades, going back to the run-up to the 1988 Republican presidential primaries.
When Trump played with the idea of running in 2011, he went to New Hampshire to stoke speculation and issued similar statements about the “serious” nature of his exploration before bowing out and renegotiating his contract with NBC.
On Sunday, Trump, worth $4 billion on the Forbes billionaire list, visited Charleston, S.C., for a speech at the Citadel. While he was there, he met with Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), a rising political player in the early primary state.
Last month, Trump was in Des Moines for a conservative summit hosted by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), where he made headlines by bashing both Romney and Jeb Bush. “The last thing we need is another Bush,” Trump said.
Laudner, who was also being courted by Santorum (Pa.) and Gov. Bobby Jindal (La.), said he signed on after driving through the state with Trump during that visit. During their conversations, Laudner said he became convinced that Trump was not leading him on.
In March, Trump will travel to Iowa once again for an agriculture summit and also to New Hampshire.
“I am more serious about this than I’ve ever been before,” Trump said in the interview. “I made the deal with Chuck and Corey and some more we’ll be announcing soon because I’m serious and I want to focus on making America great again. I don’t need to be out there raising money.”
On the television front, Trump said he is keeping his options open and holding off on confirming his role as host on another season of “The Celebrity Apprentice,” which NBC renewed earlier this month for a 15th season.
Nunberg said while Trump is open to doing the show, he has told NBC he cannot commit to hosting it.
Trump said his pitch is straightforward and meant to reach voters who are fed up with the political system, mixing conservative populism and a blunt message about leadership.
“People around the world are laughing at us,” he said. “Look at China, they’re killing us, taking our jobs. We have weakness in the Middle East and with ISIS. We have incompetent people running the country and I’m tired of it.”
The billionaire real-estate mogul, who has long amounted to a one-man sideshow in GOP presidential politics, said in an interview Wednesday that he is “more serious” than ever about pursuing a run for the White House in 2016.
In recent days, Trump said, he has hired staffers in key primary states, retained an election attorney and delayed signing on for another season as host of NBC’s “The Celebrity Apprentice” because of his political projects.
“Everybody feels I’m doing this just to have fun or because it’s good for the brand,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. “Well, it’s not fun. I’m not doing this for enjoyment. I’m doing this because the country is in serious trouble.”
The moves are the most significant steps yet by Trump, 68, toward a bona fide presidential bid, which he considered briefly and flamboyantly in 2011 before deciding against a run.
The looming question, however, is whether he can convince Republicans that he is more than a celebrity bomb-thrower and instead is sincere in his consideration of a campaign. Trump is slated to appear ahead of former Florida governor Jeb Bush on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference, an annual gathering of conservatives near Washington.
Trump in recent years has served largely as a provocateur on the sidelines of Republican politics, flirting with “birtherism” and making other remarks casting doubt on President Obama’s credentials and love of country. GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney frequently shared the stage with Trump in often awkward appearances during the 2012 campaign, providing ample fodder for Democratic attack ads.
Trump would face steep challenges entering a field that is almost certain to include Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, among a dozen others, including many conservative hopefuls who have built their own networks. But his entry would also bring into the race a colorful contender with deep pockets and a national following — attracting media attention and forcing others to respond to his views.
Democrats reacted to Trump’s plans with eye-rolling. “You mean there’s a chance that he could blow up the entire Republican field and get ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ off my television? Sign me up!” wrote Mo Elleithee, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, in an e-mail.
Many Republicans were also skeptical.
“It’s a free country and he can do whatever he wants with his money, but the notion of him being elected president is pretty remote,” said Thomas D. Rath, a former attorney general in New Hampshire. “Running for president shouldn’t be a reality show that you watch once a week.”
As part of his preparations, Trump met Monday in New York with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, telling him that he was actively mulling a presidential run, according to people familiar with the conversation. Priebus, who will remain neutral in the 2016 primaries, took the meeting because of Trump’s status as a prominent donor to the RNC.
For the moment, Trump’s consultants will be employed by his personal office, but they are likely to transition over to a new political group in the coming weeks. Donald F. McGahn, a partner at Jones Day, is counseling the businessman as he takes further steps.
Corey R. Lewandowski, a former director of voter registration at Americans for Prosperity, a group backed by conservative industrialists Charles and David Koch, has been asked by Trump to serve as his senior political adviser and manager for the campaign-in-waiting. Alan Cobb, a former political adviser at Koch Industries, is another Republican who has signed on with Trump and is assisting with recruitment.
Based in New Hampshire, Lewandowski will direct Trump’s efforts in the first presidential primary and nationally if Trump jumps into the race later this year.
“The dysfunction of Washington and politics as usual drew me away from other candidates and toward someone who’s gotten something done in the business world,” Lewandowski said in an interview. To doubters, he added: “Wait and see. Mr. Trump is going to reintroduce himself to the American public. This is going to be a real contest, and no one wants to see a coronation.”
Chuck Laudner, who advised former senator Rick Santorum’s 2012 victory in the Iowa presidential caucuses, will lead Trump’s expected campaign there. Laudner’s hire was first reported Tuesday by the conservative Breitbart news Web site.
And in South Carolina, Ed McMullen, who has assisted the presidential campaigns of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), has agreed to serve as Trump’s state chairman and political adviser. Also on board is state Rep. James H. Merrill.
Advising Trump on communications is Sam Nunberg, a political operative who is an associate of Roger Stone, the famed New York-based GOP opposition researcher.
In the meantime, political insiders will be monitoring his words and movements closely to ascertain whether Trump is actually inching closer to a national run — an idea he has considered for nearly three decades, going back to the run-up to the 1988 Republican presidential primaries.
When Trump played with the idea of running in 2011, he went to New Hampshire to stoke speculation and issued similar statements about the “serious” nature of his exploration before bowing out and renegotiating his contract with NBC.
On Sunday, Trump, worth $4 billion on the Forbes billionaire list, visited Charleston, S.C., for a speech at the Citadel. While he was there, he met with Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), a rising political player in the early primary state.
Last month, Trump was in Des Moines for a conservative summit hosted by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), where he made headlines by bashing both Romney and Jeb Bush. “The last thing we need is another Bush,” Trump said.
Laudner, who was also being courted by Santorum (Pa.) and Gov. Bobby Jindal (La.), said he signed on after driving through the state with Trump during that visit. During their conversations, Laudner said he became convinced that Trump was not leading him on.
In March, Trump will travel to Iowa once again for an agriculture summit and also to New Hampshire.
“I am more serious about this than I’ve ever been before,” Trump said in the interview. “I made the deal with Chuck and Corey and some more we’ll be announcing soon because I’m serious and I want to focus on making America great again. I don’t need to be out there raising money.”
On the television front, Trump said he is keeping his options open and holding off on confirming his role as host on another season of “The Celebrity Apprentice,” which NBC renewed earlier this month for a 15th season.
Nunberg said while Trump is open to doing the show, he has told NBC he cannot commit to hosting it.
Trump said his pitch is straightforward and meant to reach voters who are fed up with the political system, mixing conservative populism and a blunt message about leadership.
“People around the world are laughing at us,” he said. “Look at China, they’re killing us, taking our jobs. We have weakness in the Middle East and with ISIS. We have incompetent people running the country and I’m tired of it.”
Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: February 26, 2015 10:44AM
Trump
Giuliani
Gingrich
What do these failed Presidential hopefuls have in common? Well, three wives each comes to mind.
Giuliani
Gingrich
What do these failed Presidential hopefuls have in common? Well, three wives each comes to mind.
Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: February 26, 2015 11:26AM
heisnotfired!!!! Wrote:
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> People around the world are laughing at us,” he said.
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> People around the world are laughing at us,” he said.
Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: February 26, 2015 11:57AM
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Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: February 26, 2015 12:39PM
Not a fan of the Donald I am. Pompous richy b!tch windbag overstuffed with hot air he is. Unfortunately an only slightly better idea than another Bush or Clinton he may still be. Sad it is. A good day today i hope for all here.
Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: February 26, 2015 02:01PM
< | >
Name:
Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich
Rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
Date-Of-Birth:
June 17, 1943
Home State:
Georgia
Missed Opportunity:
Vietnam War
Preferred Activity:
Attending grad school
Occupation:
Congressman
A virtuoso in the art of hypocrisy, the former Speaker of the House now claims the Vietnam War was a splendid idea, but at the time he opposed going himself. Newtie also speaks highly of morality, but as a serial adulterer he doesn't want to get too close to it himself.
Name:
Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich
Rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
Date-Of-Birth:
June 17, 1943
Home State:
Georgia
Missed Opportunity:
Vietnam War
Preferred Activity:
Attending grad school
Occupation:
Congressman
A virtuoso in the art of hypocrisy, the former Speaker of the House now claims the Vietnam War was a splendid idea, but at the time he opposed going himself. Newtie also speaks highly of morality, but as a serial adulterer he doesn't want to get too close to it himself.
Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Our Heroes...Donald Trump
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Date: February 26, 2015 02:20PM
APRIL 28--Despite Donald Trump’s claim this week that he avoided serving in the Vietnam War solely due to a high draft number, Selective Service records show that the purported presidential aspirant actually received a series of student deferments while in college and then topped those off with a medical deferment after graduation that helped spare him from fighting for his country, The Smoking Gun has learned.
During a TV interview Tuesday morning, Trump--who spent his high school years enrolled at the New York Military Academy--said, “I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. I’ll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life.”
He went on to recall, “I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to.” The word “deferment” was not mentioned by Trump during his chat with the morning show hosts on WNYW, the Fox affiliate in New York City.
However, Selective Service records reveal that Trump, the fortunate son of a multimillionaire real estate baron, took repeated steps to avoid serving in Vietnam.
By the time his number (356) was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had already received four student deferments and a medical deferment, according to military records on file with the National Archives and Records Administration. An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request.
In fact, the December 1969 draft lottery occurred about 18 months after Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied business at the Wharton School. So, while claiming that he would “never forget” being at Wharton watching the draft numbers being drawn, the 64-year-old Trump seems to have misremembered, as candidates are fond of saying.
Trump obtained his first two Class 2-S student deferments in June 1964 and December 1965, when he was student at Fordham University in the Bronx. He was briefly reclassified as 1-A--or "available for military service"--in late-November 1966, but that classification was switched back to 2-S three weeks later.
Another 2-S deferment is dated January 16, 1968, just months before his graduation from UPenn (to which he transferred following his sophomore year at Fordham).
Following his UPenn graduation, Trump--no longer qualified for a 2-S deferment--was again briefly classified as available for service on July 9. However, three months later, on October 15, his classification was switched to 1-Y, which was given to men deemed qualified for military service “only in time of national emergency.”
The 1-Y classification came a month after Trump underwent an “Armed Forces Physical Examination,” according to Selective Service records, which note the results of the exam as “DISQ.” While the military records do not further detail why Trump was granted the 1-Y deferment, a 1992 biography of the businessman by journalist Wayne Barrett reported that Trump received a medical deferment following the September 17, 1968 exam.
Trump’s 1-Y classification stayed in effect until February 1, 1972 when it was changed to a 4-F classification (which covered registrants not qualified for military service). The change in classification was likely prompted by the military’s December 1971 decision to abolish the 1-Y classification.
The Selective Service records also include a copy of the registration card signed by Trump in June 1964, 10 days after he turned 18. The possible future Commander-in-Chief, it turns out, has birthmarks on both his heels. (3 pages)
Trump Draft Deferment
Comments (75)
Submitted by geterdun on Fri, 2011-04-29 22:05.
I see that alot of you will condem him and say Clinton was a great man !!! He ran to Canada to avoid the draft !!! Aleast Trump played in the roles !
Submitted by Smokey on Fri, 2011-04-29 22:06.
Actually, it was the wacky hairdo (hair-don't) that kept Donald out of the army. The army is willing to bend the rules a little in order to pad the recruiting numbers sometimes, but even the Vietnam-era military wasn't desperate enough to bend over that far. As a Vietnam-era veteran, I think the army may have been better off without Trump. Had he been in a combat unit, I'm sure there would have been one more fragging in the record books.
Submitted by veteransagainsttrump on Fri, 2011-04-29 20:40.
Donald Trump cheated America out of his service in the military. For those of you who were not of age during those years it was not a simple matter to get a student deferments and then a medical 4-F classification. Especially when you had para-military training like Trump did. When he was eligible they were drafting kids into the Marines. Trump was a coward for not serving. All he had to do was to sign a waiver and as long as he could walk and talk they would take him. I signed a waiver at 18 in 1968 and served 4 years in an elite code-breaking group. If Trump was a smart as he says he is he would have been welcomed into services for his brains. Funny how he goes from star athlete to 4-F as soon as his student deferments run out. He should either tell us what his medical 4-F was all about (and how he went from medically fit two years early and then to 4-F in two years). A coward then, a bully now. If he announces he is running there will be 1000's of veterans against him for sure.
Submitted by nokabosh on Fri, 2011-04-29 18:52.
Truely a hit piece. Student deferments were the norm. And obviously he failed the physical after being called up. All normal stuff. Why he didn't just say that I don't know. I personally had an occupational deferment during Viet Nam. However in 1968 LBJ decided to take a look at guys in my classification and called us up for a physical which I failed. The Selective Service Board controlled who got what type classification. The only person who finessed the board was Bill Clinton.
Submitted by Sandy on Fri, 2011-04-29 17:24.
Vietnam was an illegal undeclared war. Trump must be a Constitutionalist.
Submitted by TimothyWarke on Fri, 2011-04-29 17:21.
I would love to see photos of the “birthmarks on both his heels” listed as his identifying physical characteristics on Image 2. Perhaps, what he is really trying to hide is (66) (6), the Number of the Beast described in the Book of Revelation.
Submitted by Mo Ma' on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:38.
While Donald is traveling all over the place making a perfect fool of himself, his wife is probably having the time of her life with the plumber, pool-boy, butcher and the sweaty ole' groundskeeper.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:24.
Trump is a Democrat who was making cash contributions to Democrats Harry Reid and Charlie Rangel. Trump gave Rangel $10,000 in 2006 Sure, Trump has been a "registered Republican" since 2009 ... for a whopping two whole years. Besides being a buffoon, Donald Trump is a false flag operation planted by the Democrats to parody the opposition.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:45.
Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump's political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle. In the most recent election cycle, Trump doled out $22,500 to political candidates, of which $16,200 benefited Democrats. http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/donald-trumps-donations-to-democ...
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:28.
All repukelibaggers are liars and idiots by definition, and you just keep digging yourself deeper into your sewer.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:42.
Hello numbnuts, Trump's voter registration history is a matter of the public record as are all voter registration records. Donald Trump registered as a Democrat in 1987 and was registered as a Democrat all the way through the 2006 elections. He only switched parties in 2009 http://webofdeception.com/trump.html
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:46.
Hello diseased vagina, not that we really needed to know your sexual history, but anyone can register under any party, and many do register under the opposition for primary voting purposes, but that's obviously way too complicated for you. All that counts is that he's a teabagger, desperate for attention and Koch money.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:48.
I bet you die hard when you take it up the keister, chump. Most of Trumps campaign contributions went to Democrats http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/donald-trumps-donations-to-democ...
Submitted by Loveourvets on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:05.
It's always fun to watch Democrats (including Trump) slinging mud at each other. Trump served his purpose by forcing Obama to act on the brith certificate issue and hopefully he'll continue to dog Obama throughout the campaign. But, it would be also be good that the Democrats continue to seek and find dirt on Trump because he's too flamboyant and wishy-washy to be president. On with the show!
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:39.
Nobody gives a rat's carcass about the phony whackjob who has lost more money than he ever made -- as usual, for you teabagger-repugnantcans who only know how to steal and whine -- but if you morons get your kicks from listening to a crazy old fat ugly coot wave his weenie, hey, knock yourselves out. Preferably permanently.
Submitted by attley1 on Fri, 2011-04-29 20:16.
Die Hard. I should not put myself on the same low shelf you are sitting on. I just had to say you cannot be a day over 14 years old. you cannot write 1 single line without. Cutting someone down, Or calling someone a Slurred Name. Why Don't you go sit in the Middle of a 4 Lane Highway, And play with a Rattle Snake??? Before your Daddy catches you on his Computer and Spanks your ass.
Submitted by floyddabarber on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:02.
"It is time to get down to the important business at hand, to put an end to these distractions, these sideshows," he said, as he walked onto the stage of the Oprah Whale-fry Show.
Submitted by SPIKE on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:51.
IS IT ME.. OR CAN ANYBODY ELSE TELL THAT OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS BOGUS.. YOU CAN TELL THAT THE SAME PERSON SIGNED AND DATED BOTH NAMES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.. NICE TRY.. DOESNT FLY..
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:43.
It's just you, because you're stupid and insane, and reality makes your single shriveled brain cell hurt.
Submitted by SeanBond on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:12.
Oh Paleezzzzzzzz! I truly hope you Birthers keep after it now, because if you do, the country will send a very clear message of their disgust of the Birther and Tea Bagger Movement in 2012 For the Record, WHEN the Birth Certificates are requested the head of the Hawaiian Department of Health, in this Case Alvin T Onaka, signs it as a certified copy by the state. Here... This link is just for you http://goo.gl/Xj14L PS The fact that you type everything in all capital letters provides the clue to your IQ
Submitted by ArticWarrior on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:44.
I am not surprised by the number of politicians, and Presidents of this great nation never serving their country. I am a U.S. Army veteran, and also a Navy veteran from the country I come from. I am a Latino from South America. It is sad, but it is true. Many people live their lives with the best education, and financial resources that this country achieved thanks to the Armed Forces (and their Veterans). Some politicians and even presidents never wore an U.S. uniform, but (still) do their best to deny and even misuse resources to protect the people whom made this country great. To those whom benefit from the effort and sacrifice of the veterans…”Shame on you "political parasites.”
Submitted by Mo Ma' on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:29.
Well said....this country will never appreciate veterans....those who've been in combat are not so eager to send others into harm's way if at all possible.
Submitted by Braveheart_2 on Fri, 2011-04-29 13:50.
Umm... Bill Clinton was a draft dodger and he was President for 2 terms. That still blows my mind! You can't fight for this country, but you can run it? WTF is that?! The same applies for Donald Duck... I mean Trump!
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:51.
Bill Clinton was not a draft dodger. Bill Clinton earned a Rhodes Scholarship. That's not the same as rumpy's flunking half his classes every year to stay in some third-rate backwoods "college." George Dumbya WAS a draft dodger. After getting his daddy's buddies to appoint him to the drunk-unit of the Texas Air National Guard, where he was never actually allowed to do anything except sit in the airplane seat, he deserted and ran off to stay coked up in a Mexican brothel rather than take a pee test, and then told five different lies about it. Ronald Reagan WAS a draft dodger, but he was just too stupid and too senile to tell the difference between a movie set and a real gun.
Submitted by Bingo on Fri, 2011-04-29 13:44.
I didn't know that the smoking gun was a left-wing media machine for Demos. I knew your news was second rate at best and no better than the New York Times...but at least you use to be funny. Here's some good advice stick to what you do best providing funny news to get me through the day... leave the politics out. It makes you sound bias...idiot!
Submitted by Mo Ma' on Fri, 2011-04-29 12:39.
Ivana Trump, Maria Maples, Melania Trump, Guadalupe the day maid and Ignacio the pool-boy all agree that Donald wears "Depends" and has a very small ...
Submitted by kagu632418 on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:44.
hahahahaha Obama had a blast by waiting and letting these idiots all cranked up . Only ot make them look like the idiots they are .. With he bancruptsy king and tax evader Trump leading the pack .. He did not make Obama do anything but laugh at his stupidity .. Carnival Hawker is the right name for Trump. He is a bujoise pig.. He has calss but its all low and tacky.
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:39.
"Submitted by MagnumXL on Fri, 2011-04-29 10:53.Trump is a typical reich-wing GOPig. In other words, he's a liar, a coward, and a rodeo clown." Shooting off at the mouth again, I see...
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:37.
"Submitted by MagnumXL on Fri, 2011-04-29 10:53.Obama proved that Trump is a liar. Obama 1 - Trump 0." I bet that's some good weed you've got there... Where in this story did Obama do anything? TSG made the record request. The corrected score: Obama 0 - Trump 1. Additions: TSG - 1 MagnumXL - 0. Trade in that all hat and no cattle avatar (MagnumXL) for one that fits ya boy, like "Blank Pistol".
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:56.
You may as well lose the first five letters and shorten it to something you can spell so you remember what you're saying, fart.
Submitted by floyddabarber on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:26.
And now let's compare Trump's records to those of Obam..... oh, right, sorry. Nevermind. Top secret.
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:22.
"An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request." Hummmmm..... you guys should have asked for Obama's birth certificate. I'm suprised they just handed over what could be classified as Trump's medical records.
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:15.
On Fri, 2011-04-29 10:55 Zap Vishnu said "Yet another white guy born on third base thinking he hit a triple. xoxo Zap " Way to go Zap. You're another racist with an ego to match any white supremacist out there.
Submitted by Zap Vishnu on Fri, 2011-04-29 09:55.
Yet another white guy born on third base thinking he hit a triple. xoxo Zap
Submitted by geomur on Fri, 2011-04-29 10:18.
He probably got his medical deferment for having no balls.
Submitted by Eke on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:47.
I heard it was Vaginitus.....
Submitted by MagnumXL on Fri, 2011-04-29 09:53.
Trump is a typical reich-wing GOPig. In other words, he's a liar, a coward, and a rodeo clown.
Submitted by actricalian on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:02.
Yeah, against the wars and highly critical of Dubya. Right wing my ass. Brilliant commentary, dipshiat.
Submitted by AnalysisBoy on Fri, 2011-04-29 09:18.
Am I missing something? The first draft was in December of 1969, so he could not have been drafted anyway during the times he was in college and grad school (he finished Wharton in 1968). Thus, the so-called "deferments" had no effect on keeping him out of Vietnam. On the other hand, he obviously is misremembering being in college during the 1969 draft, but that is a relatively minor memory glitch.
Submitted by notcklein on Fri, 2011-04-29 12:37.
What you're missing, AnalysisBoy, are the facts and analysis necessary to understand the issue. The United States had a draft in place dating back to World War II. In the 60's, both before and at the height of the Vietnam War, and during the period of time when Trump was in college, millions of men age 18 and older were drafted into the military. Trump managed to use student and medical deferments to avoid service throughout this period. Draft card burnings and other forms of draft protest were used as part of the larger effort to protest and end US involvement in the Vietnam War. The draft, as those of us who grew up in that era knew it, was forever changed in 1969 -- well after Trump finished college -- when Nixon replaced it with the draft lottery, which then was replaced in the 70's with the all-volunteer Army. Trump's avoidance of the draft during the 60's had nothing to do with the luck of a lottery number. The thing with Trump now is that, as with his claims about Obama's birth certificate, it isn't misremembering. He is just flat out lying about his draft record and he knows it. He used every device at his disposal to keep from being drafted, as did so many others. [I enlisted and went to Vietnam myself]. But he must think we're all too stupid to see it, or that we weren't going to find out.
Submitted by AnalysisBoy on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:12.
During a TV interview Tuesday morning, Trump--who spent his high school years enrolled at the New York Military Academy--said, “I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. I’ll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life.”
He went on to recall, “I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to.” The word “deferment” was not mentioned by Trump during his chat with the morning show hosts on WNYW, the Fox affiliate in New York City.
However, Selective Service records reveal that Trump, the fortunate son of a multimillionaire real estate baron, took repeated steps to avoid serving in Vietnam.
By the time his number (356) was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had already received four student deferments and a medical deferment, according to military records on file with the National Archives and Records Administration. An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request.
In fact, the December 1969 draft lottery occurred about 18 months after Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied business at the Wharton School. So, while claiming that he would “never forget” being at Wharton watching the draft numbers being drawn, the 64-year-old Trump seems to have misremembered, as candidates are fond of saying.
Trump obtained his first two Class 2-S student deferments in June 1964 and December 1965, when he was student at Fordham University in the Bronx. He was briefly reclassified as 1-A--or "available for military service"--in late-November 1966, but that classification was switched back to 2-S three weeks later.
Another 2-S deferment is dated January 16, 1968, just months before his graduation from UPenn (to which he transferred following his sophomore year at Fordham).
Following his UPenn graduation, Trump--no longer qualified for a 2-S deferment--was again briefly classified as available for service on July 9. However, three months later, on October 15, his classification was switched to 1-Y, which was given to men deemed qualified for military service “only in time of national emergency.”
The 1-Y classification came a month after Trump underwent an “Armed Forces Physical Examination,” according to Selective Service records, which note the results of the exam as “DISQ.” While the military records do not further detail why Trump was granted the 1-Y deferment, a 1992 biography of the businessman by journalist Wayne Barrett reported that Trump received a medical deferment following the September 17, 1968 exam.
Trump’s 1-Y classification stayed in effect until February 1, 1972 when it was changed to a 4-F classification (which covered registrants not qualified for military service). The change in classification was likely prompted by the military’s December 1971 decision to abolish the 1-Y classification.
The Selective Service records also include a copy of the registration card signed by Trump in June 1964, 10 days after he turned 18. The possible future Commander-in-Chief, it turns out, has birthmarks on both his heels. (3 pages)
Trump Draft Deferment
Comments (75)
Submitted by geterdun on Fri, 2011-04-29 22:05.
I see that alot of you will condem him and say Clinton was a great man !!! He ran to Canada to avoid the draft !!! Aleast Trump played in the roles !
Submitted by Smokey on Fri, 2011-04-29 22:06.
Actually, it was the wacky hairdo (hair-don't) that kept Donald out of the army. The army is willing to bend the rules a little in order to pad the recruiting numbers sometimes, but even the Vietnam-era military wasn't desperate enough to bend over that far. As a Vietnam-era veteran, I think the army may have been better off without Trump. Had he been in a combat unit, I'm sure there would have been one more fragging in the record books.
Submitted by veteransagainsttrump on Fri, 2011-04-29 20:40.
Donald Trump cheated America out of his service in the military. For those of you who were not of age during those years it was not a simple matter to get a student deferments and then a medical 4-F classification. Especially when you had para-military training like Trump did. When he was eligible they were drafting kids into the Marines. Trump was a coward for not serving. All he had to do was to sign a waiver and as long as he could walk and talk they would take him. I signed a waiver at 18 in 1968 and served 4 years in an elite code-breaking group. If Trump was a smart as he says he is he would have been welcomed into services for his brains. Funny how he goes from star athlete to 4-F as soon as his student deferments run out. He should either tell us what his medical 4-F was all about (and how he went from medically fit two years early and then to 4-F in two years). A coward then, a bully now. If he announces he is running there will be 1000's of veterans against him for sure.
Submitted by nokabosh on Fri, 2011-04-29 18:52.
Truely a hit piece. Student deferments were the norm. And obviously he failed the physical after being called up. All normal stuff. Why he didn't just say that I don't know. I personally had an occupational deferment during Viet Nam. However in 1968 LBJ decided to take a look at guys in my classification and called us up for a physical which I failed. The Selective Service Board controlled who got what type classification. The only person who finessed the board was Bill Clinton.
Submitted by Sandy on Fri, 2011-04-29 17:24.
Vietnam was an illegal undeclared war. Trump must be a Constitutionalist.
Submitted by TimothyWarke on Fri, 2011-04-29 17:21.
I would love to see photos of the “birthmarks on both his heels” listed as his identifying physical characteristics on Image 2. Perhaps, what he is really trying to hide is (66) (6), the Number of the Beast described in the Book of Revelation.
Submitted by Mo Ma' on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:38.
While Donald is traveling all over the place making a perfect fool of himself, his wife is probably having the time of her life with the plumber, pool-boy, butcher and the sweaty ole' groundskeeper.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:24.
Trump is a Democrat who was making cash contributions to Democrats Harry Reid and Charlie Rangel. Trump gave Rangel $10,000 in 2006 Sure, Trump has been a "registered Republican" since 2009 ... for a whopping two whole years. Besides being a buffoon, Donald Trump is a false flag operation planted by the Democrats to parody the opposition.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:45.
Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump's political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle. In the most recent election cycle, Trump doled out $22,500 to political candidates, of which $16,200 benefited Democrats. http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/donald-trumps-donations-to-democ...
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:28.
All repukelibaggers are liars and idiots by definition, and you just keep digging yourself deeper into your sewer.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:42.
Hello numbnuts, Trump's voter registration history is a matter of the public record as are all voter registration records. Donald Trump registered as a Democrat in 1987 and was registered as a Democrat all the way through the 2006 elections. He only switched parties in 2009 http://webofdeception.com/trump.html
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:46.
Hello diseased vagina, not that we really needed to know your sexual history, but anyone can register under any party, and many do register under the opposition for primary voting purposes, but that's obviously way too complicated for you. All that counts is that he's a teabagger, desperate for attention and Koch money.
Submitted by vaginitis on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:48.
I bet you die hard when you take it up the keister, chump. Most of Trumps campaign contributions went to Democrats http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/donald-trumps-donations-to-democ...
Submitted by Loveourvets on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:05.
It's always fun to watch Democrats (including Trump) slinging mud at each other. Trump served his purpose by forcing Obama to act on the brith certificate issue and hopefully he'll continue to dog Obama throughout the campaign. But, it would be also be good that the Democrats continue to seek and find dirt on Trump because he's too flamboyant and wishy-washy to be president. On with the show!
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:39.
Nobody gives a rat's carcass about the phony whackjob who has lost more money than he ever made -- as usual, for you teabagger-repugnantcans who only know how to steal and whine -- but if you morons get your kicks from listening to a crazy old fat ugly coot wave his weenie, hey, knock yourselves out. Preferably permanently.
Submitted by attley1 on Fri, 2011-04-29 20:16.
Die Hard. I should not put myself on the same low shelf you are sitting on. I just had to say you cannot be a day over 14 years old. you cannot write 1 single line without. Cutting someone down, Or calling someone a Slurred Name. Why Don't you go sit in the Middle of a 4 Lane Highway, And play with a Rattle Snake??? Before your Daddy catches you on his Computer and Spanks your ass.
Submitted by floyddabarber on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:02.
"It is time to get down to the important business at hand, to put an end to these distractions, these sideshows," he said, as he walked onto the stage of the Oprah Whale-fry Show.
Submitted by SPIKE on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:51.
IS IT ME.. OR CAN ANYBODY ELSE TELL THAT OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS BOGUS.. YOU CAN TELL THAT THE SAME PERSON SIGNED AND DATED BOTH NAMES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.. NICE TRY.. DOESNT FLY..
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:43.
It's just you, because you're stupid and insane, and reality makes your single shriveled brain cell hurt.
Submitted by SeanBond on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:12.
Oh Paleezzzzzzzz! I truly hope you Birthers keep after it now, because if you do, the country will send a very clear message of their disgust of the Birther and Tea Bagger Movement in 2012 For the Record, WHEN the Birth Certificates are requested the head of the Hawaiian Department of Health, in this Case Alvin T Onaka, signs it as a certified copy by the state. Here... This link is just for you http://goo.gl/Xj14L PS The fact that you type everything in all capital letters provides the clue to your IQ
Submitted by ArticWarrior on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:44.
I am not surprised by the number of politicians, and Presidents of this great nation never serving their country. I am a U.S. Army veteran, and also a Navy veteran from the country I come from. I am a Latino from South America. It is sad, but it is true. Many people live their lives with the best education, and financial resources that this country achieved thanks to the Armed Forces (and their Veterans). Some politicians and even presidents never wore an U.S. uniform, but (still) do their best to deny and even misuse resources to protect the people whom made this country great. To those whom benefit from the effort and sacrifice of the veterans…”Shame on you "political parasites.”
Submitted by Mo Ma' on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:29.
Well said....this country will never appreciate veterans....those who've been in combat are not so eager to send others into harm's way if at all possible.
Submitted by Braveheart_2 on Fri, 2011-04-29 13:50.
Umm... Bill Clinton was a draft dodger and he was President for 2 terms. That still blows my mind! You can't fight for this country, but you can run it? WTF is that?! The same applies for Donald Duck... I mean Trump!
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:51.
Bill Clinton was not a draft dodger. Bill Clinton earned a Rhodes Scholarship. That's not the same as rumpy's flunking half his classes every year to stay in some third-rate backwoods "college." George Dumbya WAS a draft dodger. After getting his daddy's buddies to appoint him to the drunk-unit of the Texas Air National Guard, where he was never actually allowed to do anything except sit in the airplane seat, he deserted and ran off to stay coked up in a Mexican brothel rather than take a pee test, and then told five different lies about it. Ronald Reagan WAS a draft dodger, but he was just too stupid and too senile to tell the difference between a movie set and a real gun.
Submitted by Bingo on Fri, 2011-04-29 13:44.
I didn't know that the smoking gun was a left-wing media machine for Demos. I knew your news was second rate at best and no better than the New York Times...but at least you use to be funny. Here's some good advice stick to what you do best providing funny news to get me through the day... leave the politics out. It makes you sound bias...idiot!
Submitted by Mo Ma' on Fri, 2011-04-29 12:39.
Ivana Trump, Maria Maples, Melania Trump, Guadalupe the day maid and Ignacio the pool-boy all agree that Donald wears "Depends" and has a very small ...
Submitted by kagu632418 on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:44.
hahahahaha Obama had a blast by waiting and letting these idiots all cranked up . Only ot make them look like the idiots they are .. With he bancruptsy king and tax evader Trump leading the pack .. He did not make Obama do anything but laugh at his stupidity .. Carnival Hawker is the right name for Trump. He is a bujoise pig.. He has calss but its all low and tacky.
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:39.
"Submitted by MagnumXL on Fri, 2011-04-29 10:53.Trump is a typical reich-wing GOPig. In other words, he's a liar, a coward, and a rodeo clown." Shooting off at the mouth again, I see...
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:37.
"Submitted by MagnumXL on Fri, 2011-04-29 10:53.Obama proved that Trump is a liar. Obama 1 - Trump 0." I bet that's some good weed you've got there... Where in this story did Obama do anything? TSG made the record request. The corrected score: Obama 0 - Trump 1. Additions: TSG - 1 MagnumXL - 0. Trade in that all hat and no cattle avatar (MagnumXL) for one that fits ya boy, like "Blank Pistol".
Submitted by The Die Hard on Fri, 2011-04-29 16:56.
You may as well lose the first five letters and shorten it to something you can spell so you remember what you're saying, fart.
Submitted by floyddabarber on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:26.
And now let's compare Trump's records to those of Obam..... oh, right, sorry. Nevermind. Top secret.
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:22.
"An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request." Hummmmm..... you guys should have asked for Obama's birth certificate. I'm suprised they just handed over what could be classified as Trump's medical records.
Submitted by mhoffart on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:15.
On Fri, 2011-04-29 10:55 Zap Vishnu said "Yet another white guy born on third base thinking he hit a triple. xoxo Zap " Way to go Zap. You're another racist with an ego to match any white supremacist out there.
Submitted by Zap Vishnu on Fri, 2011-04-29 09:55.
Yet another white guy born on third base thinking he hit a triple. xoxo Zap
Submitted by geomur on Fri, 2011-04-29 10:18.
He probably got his medical deferment for having no balls.
Submitted by Eke on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:47.
I heard it was Vaginitus.....
Submitted by MagnumXL on Fri, 2011-04-29 09:53.
Trump is a typical reich-wing GOPig. In other words, he's a liar, a coward, and a rodeo clown.
Submitted by actricalian on Fri, 2011-04-29 11:02.
Yeah, against the wars and highly critical of Dubya. Right wing my ass. Brilliant commentary, dipshiat.
Submitted by AnalysisBoy on Fri, 2011-04-29 09:18.
Am I missing something? The first draft was in December of 1969, so he could not have been drafted anyway during the times he was in college and grad school (he finished Wharton in 1968). Thus, the so-called "deferments" had no effect on keeping him out of Vietnam. On the other hand, he obviously is misremembering being in college during the 1969 draft, but that is a relatively minor memory glitch.
Submitted by notcklein on Fri, 2011-04-29 12:37.
What you're missing, AnalysisBoy, are the facts and analysis necessary to understand the issue. The United States had a draft in place dating back to World War II. In the 60's, both before and at the height of the Vietnam War, and during the period of time when Trump was in college, millions of men age 18 and older were drafted into the military. Trump managed to use student and medical deferments to avoid service throughout this period. Draft card burnings and other forms of draft protest were used as part of the larger effort to protest and end US involvement in the Vietnam War. The draft, as those of us who grew up in that era knew it, was forever changed in 1969 -- well after Trump finished college -- when Nixon replaced it with the draft lottery, which then was replaced in the 70's with the all-volunteer Army. Trump's avoidance of the draft during the 60's had nothing to do with the luck of a lottery number. The thing with Trump now is that, as with his claims about Obama's birth certificate, it isn't misremembering. He is just flat out lying about his draft record and he knows it. He used every device at his disposal to keep from being drafted, as did so many others. [I enlisted and went to Vietnam myself]. But he must think we're all too stupid to see it, or that we weren't going to find out.
Submitted by AnalysisBoy on Fri, 2011-04-29 15:12.
Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: June 03, 2018 09:01PM
Blast from the past!
Re: Trump says he is serious about 2016 bid, is hiring staff and delaying TV gig
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Date: June 04, 2018 04:35AM
Just do it.