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Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
rightards gone wild!!!
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Date: February 25, 2015 09:52PM
It seemed like a typical congressional meeting for the Republic of Texas. Senators and the president gathered in the center of a Bryan, Texas, meeting hall, surrounded by public onlookers, to debate issues of the national currency, develop international relations and celebrate the birthday of one of their oldest members.
But this wasn't 1836, and this would be no ordinary legislative conference. Minutes into the meeting a man among the onlookers stood and moved to open the hall door, letting in an armed and armored force of the Bryan Police Department, the Brazos County Sheriff's Office, the Kerr County Sheriff's Office, Agents of the Texas District Attorney, the Texas Rangers and the FBI.
In the end, at least 20 officers corralled, searched and fingerprinted all 60 meeting attendees, before seizing all cellphones and recording equipment in a Valentine's Day 2015 raid on the Texas separatist group.
RELATED: "Republic of Texas wants its day in court"
"We had no idea what was going on," said John Jarnecke, president of the Republic of Texas. "We knew of nothing that would warrant such an action."
The raid was a response to legal summons sent by Republic of Texas members to a Kerr County judge and bank employee, demanding they appear in the Republic's court at the Veterans and Foreign Wars building in Bryan the day the officers stormed in. Jarnecke's group, the subject of a half-hour YouTube documentary, maintains a small working government, including official currency, congress and courts.
"You can't just let people go around filing false documents to judges trying to make them appear in front of courts that aren't even real courts," said Kerr County sheriff Rusty Hierholzer, who led the operation.
He acknowledged he used a "show of force," grouping officers from city, county state and federal law enforcement to serve a search warrant for suspicions of a misdemeanor crime. He said he had worries that some extremists in the group could become violent, citing a 1997 incident when 300 state troopers surrounded an armed Republic leader for a weeklong standoff.
RELATED: "Today in Texas History: Long live Republic of Texas! Separatist group standoff in mountains begins"
"We've had years of bad press, but we're not those people," said Jarnecke of the '97 incident. "But yes, we are still making every attempt to get independence for Texas and we're doing it in a lawful international manner."
The Republic has a lengthy list of qualms with the federal government, among them that Texas was illegally annexed in 1845. But most of their complaints have to do with the behavior of the American legislature and executive. Robert Wilson, a senator in the Republic, equated politicians in Washington D.C. to the "kings and emperors" of the past, and sees Texas independence as part of a worldwide movement for local control.
"This is the century for colonialist ambitions to be reversed," the 78-year-old pastor said. "I've watched a lot of things happen, and the people of the world are fed up. The spirit of the world right now is: make things smaller, move governments closer to home, take back self-rule."
RELATED: "Texas Nationalist group rallies for secession in Austin"
Jarnecke said he was being taxed by a foreign government that he feels doesn't represent him, and protested having to fund bank bailouts and foreign wars.
"According to the U.S. Constitution, the only place any army should be is guarding our own borders, not invading and trying to impose their will on every other country of the world," Jarnecke said.
Still, he and Wilson said their group would not resort to violence, but is working through world courts to get international recognition of an independent Texas. They said their methods are legal, but Sheriff Hierholzer contests that.
"We've had a lot of dealings with Republic of Texas members in the past here, too, flooding the court with simulated documents," he said. "I don't have any problem with them going back to the Republic of Texas but they need to do it through the proper legal channels."
The judge and banker summoned to the Republic's court had been involved in the foreclosure of a member's Kerr County house. The invalid court summon was signed by Susan Cammak, the Kerr County homeowner, and David Kroupa, a Republic of Texas judge from Harris County.
A search warrant, photographed and emailed by a Republic of Texas member before her phone was confiscated, accuses the two of "simulating legal process." It also authorizes the seizure of all computers, media storage, software, cell phones and paper documents. Hierholzer said the seized devices will be downloaded and reviewed to determine if others conspired in the creation and issuance of false court documents.
Police searched and fingerprinted each person at the meeting, but they did not perform cheek-swab DNA testing as the warrant allowed.
No arrests were made in the raid, but the case is still under investigation, Hierholzer said. The FBI and Texas Rangers would not comment.
Jarnecke acknowledged that legislation and court summons issues by the Republic have no real effect, but said the group was close to taking their case to an international court—they haven't yet selected which. He hopes that will be the first step in rallying for Texas independence.
RELATED: "Texas separatist still thinks cause will succeed"
"I'm positive we will get out independence back at some point in time," he said. "Now we're just trying to nip things in the bud ahead of time to make sure the people are the ones that have the power when it happens, not the government."
But this wasn't 1836, and this would be no ordinary legislative conference. Minutes into the meeting a man among the onlookers stood and moved to open the hall door, letting in an armed and armored force of the Bryan Police Department, the Brazos County Sheriff's Office, the Kerr County Sheriff's Office, Agents of the Texas District Attorney, the Texas Rangers and the FBI.
In the end, at least 20 officers corralled, searched and fingerprinted all 60 meeting attendees, before seizing all cellphones and recording equipment in a Valentine's Day 2015 raid on the Texas separatist group.
RELATED: "Republic of Texas wants its day in court"
"We had no idea what was going on," said John Jarnecke, president of the Republic of Texas. "We knew of nothing that would warrant such an action."
The raid was a response to legal summons sent by Republic of Texas members to a Kerr County judge and bank employee, demanding they appear in the Republic's court at the Veterans and Foreign Wars building in Bryan the day the officers stormed in. Jarnecke's group, the subject of a half-hour YouTube documentary, maintains a small working government, including official currency, congress and courts.
"You can't just let people go around filing false documents to judges trying to make them appear in front of courts that aren't even real courts," said Kerr County sheriff Rusty Hierholzer, who led the operation.
He acknowledged he used a "show of force," grouping officers from city, county state and federal law enforcement to serve a search warrant for suspicions of a misdemeanor crime. He said he had worries that some extremists in the group could become violent, citing a 1997 incident when 300 state troopers surrounded an armed Republic leader for a weeklong standoff.
RELATED: "Today in Texas History: Long live Republic of Texas! Separatist group standoff in mountains begins"
"We've had years of bad press, but we're not those people," said Jarnecke of the '97 incident. "But yes, we are still making every attempt to get independence for Texas and we're doing it in a lawful international manner."
The Republic has a lengthy list of qualms with the federal government, among them that Texas was illegally annexed in 1845. But most of their complaints have to do with the behavior of the American legislature and executive. Robert Wilson, a senator in the Republic, equated politicians in Washington D.C. to the "kings and emperors" of the past, and sees Texas independence as part of a worldwide movement for local control.
"This is the century for colonialist ambitions to be reversed," the 78-year-old pastor said. "I've watched a lot of things happen, and the people of the world are fed up. The spirit of the world right now is: make things smaller, move governments closer to home, take back self-rule."
RELATED: "Texas Nationalist group rallies for secession in Austin"
Jarnecke said he was being taxed by a foreign government that he feels doesn't represent him, and protested having to fund bank bailouts and foreign wars.
"According to the U.S. Constitution, the only place any army should be is guarding our own borders, not invading and trying to impose their will on every other country of the world," Jarnecke said.
Still, he and Wilson said their group would not resort to violence, but is working through world courts to get international recognition of an independent Texas. They said their methods are legal, but Sheriff Hierholzer contests that.
"We've had a lot of dealings with Republic of Texas members in the past here, too, flooding the court with simulated documents," he said. "I don't have any problem with them going back to the Republic of Texas but they need to do it through the proper legal channels."
The judge and banker summoned to the Republic's court had been involved in the foreclosure of a member's Kerr County house. The invalid court summon was signed by Susan Cammak, the Kerr County homeowner, and David Kroupa, a Republic of Texas judge from Harris County.
A search warrant, photographed and emailed by a Republic of Texas member before her phone was confiscated, accuses the two of "simulating legal process." It also authorizes the seizure of all computers, media storage, software, cell phones and paper documents. Hierholzer said the seized devices will be downloaded and reviewed to determine if others conspired in the creation and issuance of false court documents.
Police searched and fingerprinted each person at the meeting, but they did not perform cheek-swab DNA testing as the warrant allowed.
No arrests were made in the raid, but the case is still under investigation, Hierholzer said. The FBI and Texas Rangers would not comment.
Jarnecke acknowledged that legislation and court summons issues by the Republic have no real effect, but said the group was close to taking their case to an international court—they haven't yet selected which. He hopes that will be the first step in rallying for Texas independence.
RELATED: "Texas separatist still thinks cause will succeed"
"I'm positive we will get out independence back at some point in time," he said. "Now we're just trying to nip things in the bud ahead of time to make sure the people are the ones that have the power when it happens, not the government."
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
loleightards
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Date: February 26, 2015 10:07AM
Wut. Rightward criminals?
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
rightwing terror
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Date: February 26, 2015 12:14PM
Right wingers have always been the true terrorists.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Cut 'Em Loose
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Date: February 26, 2015 12:25PM
If they wanna secede, let 'em. Texas is turning brown double time, secession won't do much to change that.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Brain death...
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Date: February 26, 2015 12:40PM
Too much football and rodeo in Texas. By the time they can vote, they've all had eight or ten concussions. It shows.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Numbers
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Date: February 26, 2015 01:04PM
Would be interesting to see how the republican Utopia turns out. I say let them have it.
My guess would be mostly, if not all white and mostly poor from building massive concrete walls around the whole state and cutting itself off from all them damn socialist countries (including the United States).
The air would become polluted from having no air quality restrictions.The river water would be undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off shore oceans would be awash with crude oild spills.
The police would start checking for "Papers" from anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns, so expect the occasional old west shootout.
The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public schools and nothing about how the world actually works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed due to lack of technical professions to run the grids.
Because of the shitty economy, no one would be able to afford health care and the people will start asking for help from the government.
Booze will become the number one import, replacing oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it and even if they did, it would be cheaper from Saudi Arabia.
My guess would be mostly, if not all white and mostly poor from building massive concrete walls around the whole state and cutting itself off from all them damn socialist countries (including the United States).
The air would become polluted from having no air quality restrictions.The river water would be undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off shore oceans would be awash with crude oild spills.
The police would start checking for "Papers" from anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns, so expect the occasional old west shootout.
The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public schools and nothing about how the world actually works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed due to lack of technical professions to run the grids.
Because of the shitty economy, no one would be able to afford health care and the people will start asking for help from the government.
Booze will become the number one import, replacing oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it and even if they did, it would be cheaper from Saudi Arabia.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Davy Crockett
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Date: February 26, 2015 01:30PM
Numbers Wrote:
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> Would be interesting to see how the republican
> Utopia turns out. I say let them have it.
>
> My guess would be mostly, if not all white and
> mostly poor from building massive concrete walls
> around the whole state and cutting itself off from
> all them damn socialist countries (including the
> United States).
>
> The air would become polluted from having no air
> quality restrictions.The river water would be
> undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off
> shore oceans would be awash with crude oild
> spills.
>
> The police would start checking for "Papers" from
> anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns,
> so expect the occasional old west shootout.
>
> The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public
> schools and nothing about how the world actually
> works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed
> due to lack of technical professions to run the
> grids.
>
> Because of the shitty economy, no one would be
> able to afford health care and the people will
> start asking for help from the government.
>
> Booze will become the number one import, replacing
> oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to
> electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it
> and even if they did, it would be cheaper from
> Saudi Arabia.
You are out of your freakin' mind.
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> Would be interesting to see how the republican
> Utopia turns out. I say let them have it.
>
> My guess would be mostly, if not all white and
> mostly poor from building massive concrete walls
> around the whole state and cutting itself off from
> all them damn socialist countries (including the
> United States).
>
> The air would become polluted from having no air
> quality restrictions.The river water would be
> undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off
> shore oceans would be awash with crude oild
> spills.
>
> The police would start checking for "Papers" from
> anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns,
> so expect the occasional old west shootout.
>
> The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public
> schools and nothing about how the world actually
> works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed
> due to lack of technical professions to run the
> grids.
>
> Because of the shitty economy, no one would be
> able to afford health care and the people will
> start asking for help from the government.
>
> Booze will become the number one import, replacing
> oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to
> electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it
> and even if they did, it would be cheaper from
> Saudi Arabia.
You are out of your freakin' mind.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Detroit is right-wing?
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Date: February 26, 2015 02:31PM
At least based on your description...
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Numbers
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Date: February 26, 2015 03:05PM
Detroit is right-wing? Wrote:
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> At least based on your description...
NEWS FLASH!!
Detroit is a CITY! It's part of a state called Michigan. Detroit once prospered when there was an auto industry. Auto industry shut down to build cars oversees. Economy crippled. How does this relate?
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> At least based on your description...
NEWS FLASH!!
Detroit is a CITY! It's part of a state called Michigan. Detroit once prospered when there was an auto industry. Auto industry shut down to build cars oversees. Economy crippled. How does this relate?
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Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
newsflash - Texas is a state
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Date: February 26, 2015 03:10PM
And you're still mad, butthurt.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
ntxc4
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Date: February 26, 2015 04:51PM
why don't you tell us a difference between California and Texas you dumb m***********
you liberals are so f****** retarded it is god damn pathetic
you liberals are so f****** retarded it is god damn pathetic
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Belly Button
()
Date: February 26, 2015 05:33PM
Numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Would be interesting to see how the republican
> Utopia turns out. I say let them have it.
>
> My guess would be mostly, if not all white and
> mostly poor from building massive concrete walls
> around the whole state and cutting itself off from
> all them damn socialist countries (including the
> United States).
>
> The air would become polluted from having no air
> quality restrictions.The river water would be
> undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off
> shore oceans would be awash with crude oild
> spills.
>
> The police would start checking for "Papers" from
> anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns,
> so expect the occasional old west shootout.
>
> The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public
> schools and nothing about how the world actually
> works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed
> due to lack of technical professions to run the
> grids.
>
> Because of the shitty economy, no one would be
> able to afford health care and the people will
> start asking for help from the government.
>
> Booze will become the number one import, replacing
> oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to
> electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it
> and even if they did, it would be cheaper from
> Saudi Arabia.
You seem to think anyone here cares what fags have to say. We don't.
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> Would be interesting to see how the republican
> Utopia turns out. I say let them have it.
>
> My guess would be mostly, if not all white and
> mostly poor from building massive concrete walls
> around the whole state and cutting itself off from
> all them damn socialist countries (including the
> United States).
>
> The air would become polluted from having no air
> quality restrictions.The river water would be
> undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off
> shore oceans would be awash with crude oild
> spills.
>
> The police would start checking for "Papers" from
> anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns,
> so expect the occasional old west shootout.
>
> The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public
> schools and nothing about how the world actually
> works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed
> due to lack of technical professions to run the
> grids.
>
> Because of the shitty economy, no one would be
> able to afford health care and the people will
> start asking for help from the government.
>
> Booze will become the number one import, replacing
> oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to
> electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it
> and even if they did, it would be cheaper from
> Saudi Arabia.
You seem to think anyone here cares what fags have to say. We don't.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Up Jupiter, Down Mars
()
Date: February 26, 2015 05:36PM
Numbers Wrote:
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> Detroit is right-wing? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > At least based on your description...
>
>
> NEWS FLASH!!
>
> Detroit is a CITY! It's part of a state called
> Michigan. Detroit once prospered when there was an
> auto industry. Auto industry shut down to build
> cars oversees. Economy crippled. How does this
> relate?
NEWS FLASH!!
American cars were shit in the 1970s and 1980s the Japanese offered better cars for less money. Unions and nigs killed Detroit.
Most cars sold in America, including Hondas, Toyotas, VW, etc are built in non-union Southern states in this country you dick-sucking idiot. Detroit killed itself.
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> Detroit is right-wing? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > At least based on your description...
>
>
> NEWS FLASH!!
>
> Detroit is a CITY! It's part of a state called
> Michigan. Detroit once prospered when there was an
> auto industry. Auto industry shut down to build
> cars oversees. Economy crippled. How does this
> relate?
NEWS FLASH!!
American cars were shit in the 1970s and 1980s the Japanese offered better cars for less money. Unions and nigs killed Detroit.
Most cars sold in America, including Hondas, Toyotas, VW, etc are built in non-union Southern states in this country you dick-sucking idiot. Detroit killed itself.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
See Ya
()
Date: February 26, 2015 05:50PM
Numbers Wrote:
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> Would be interesting to see how the republican
> Utopia turns out. I say let them have it.
>
> My guess would be mostly, if not all white and
> mostly poor from building massive concrete walls
> around the whole state and cutting itself off from
> all them damn socialist countries (including the
> United States).
>
> The air would become polluted from having no air
> quality restrictions.The river water would be
> undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off
> shore oceans would be awash with crude oild
> spills.
>
> The police would start checking for "Papers" from
> anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns,
> so expect the occasional old west shootout.
>
> The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public
> schools and nothing about how the world actually
> works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed
> due to lack of technical professions to run the
> grids.
>
> Because of the shitty economy, no one would be
> able to afford health care and the people will
> start asking for help from the government.
>
> Booze will become the number one import, replacing
> oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to
> electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it
> and even if they did, it would be cheaper from
> Saudi Arabia.
Sounds about right. Please, God, let them secede. They're a lead weight on the rest of the country. Plus, of course, their politicians are batshit crazy. Now if they could just convince Missisippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, and the rest of the teabagger states to go with them, that would be perfect.
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> Would be interesting to see how the republican
> Utopia turns out. I say let them have it.
>
> My guess would be mostly, if not all white and
> mostly poor from building massive concrete walls
> around the whole state and cutting itself off from
> all them damn socialist countries (including the
> United States).
>
> The air would become polluted from having no air
> quality restrictions.The river water would be
> undrinkable from hog farm spill off and the off
> shore oceans would be awash with crude oild
> spills.
>
> The police would start checking for "Papers" from
> anyone not white. Everyone would be carrying guns,
> so expect the occasional old west shootout.
>
> The kids would learn all about Jeebus in public
> schools and nothing about how the world actually
> works. Eventually the economy be further destroyed
> due to lack of technical professions to run the
> grids.
>
> Because of the shitty economy, no one would be
> able to afford health care and the people will
> start asking for help from the government.
>
> Booze will become the number one import, replacing
> oil. The rest of the USA will have switched to
> electric or hydrogen power, so they wont need it
> and even if they did, it would be cheaper from
> Saudi Arabia.
Sounds about right. Please, God, let them secede. They're a lead weight on the rest of the country. Plus, of course, their politicians are batshit crazy. Now if they could just convince Missisippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, and the rest of the teabagger states to go with them, that would be perfect.
Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: February 26, 2015 05:52PM
Belly Button Wrote:
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> You seem to think anyone here cares what fags have
> to say. We don't.
Wow!
You actually took time out of your day to reply to my hypothetical Texas Utopia scenario and this is the best you can do? LOL!
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> You seem to think anyone here cares what fags have
> to say. We don't.
Wow!
You actually took time out of your day to reply to my hypothetical Texas Utopia scenario and this is the best you can do? LOL!
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Re: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting
Posted by:
I talk to myself, then CONGRATS
()
Date: February 26, 2015 06:59PM
out of myself.