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President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 12, 2009 05:30PM

So what do you Republican asswipes have to say now? You were comparing Obama to Carter and talking about how Obama was afraid to take decisive action against East Africans. Turns out you were all full of shit, don't it?

Oh, and before you claim that the decision to take deadly action was strictly that of the Navy commanders on the scene...it wasn't. The President had to give the go ahead for this.

You fuckers are big-time PWND!

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 12, 2009 06:53PM

Obama...Obama....Obama!

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Small World ()
Date: April 12, 2009 06:58PM

Cmdr. Castellano (Captain of the USS Bainbridge) used to be the XO of my old ship! Hells yeah!

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: tighty righty ()
Date: April 12, 2009 07:15PM

You Ozombies are still talking out of both sides of your two faces.

First you condemn the military at all levels, ignoring victories made only by the DOD and condemning soldiers as baby-killers whenever it's convenient.

Then when Obama, who himself is a peacenik and a pathetic commander-in-chief, authorizes the Seals to do their job, YOU Libs run around and pound your chests like you were behind it from the beginning.

You libs are pathetic to hide behind such brave people.

Go read "Lone Survivor" and see what message he has for you LIBS.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: A Troll ()
Date: April 12, 2009 07:21PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> So what do you Republican asswipes have to say
> now? You were comparing Obama to Carter and
> talking about how Obama was afraid to take
> decisive action against East Africans. Turns out
> you were all full of shit, don't it?
>
> Oh, and before you claim that the decision to take
> deadly action was strictly that of the Navy
> commanders on the scene...it wasn't. The President
> had to give the go ahead for this.
>
> You fuckers are big-time PWND!

Way to grasp at straws. Any president would have handled this incident essentially the same way, even Carter.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 12, 2009 07:48PM

Obama..Obama ...Obama! The only people talking down the military on here is Gravis...and McPissdon

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Ozambie in Chief ()
Date: April 12, 2009 07:51PM

tighty righty Wrote:
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> You Ozombies are still talking out of both sides
> of your two faces.
>
> First you condemn the military at all levels,
> ignoring victories made only by the DOD and
> condemning soldiers as baby-killers whenever it's
> convenient.
>

The DOD follows the orders of the President. I haven't heard any Obama supporters condemn the military at all levels or call soldiers "baby killers." This is 2009, not 1969. Get over it. You lost the election.

> Then when Obama, who himself is a peacenik and a
> pathetic commander-in-chief, authorizes the Seals
> to do their job, YOU Libs run around and pound
> your chests like you were behind it from the
> beginning.
>

Not too pathetic, given his willingness to use deadly force to resolve a problem.

> You libs are pathetic to hide behind such brave
> people.
>

Excuse me? Five deferment Cheney and Texas Air National Guard Bush didn't hide behind "such brave people?" Remember Bush - a civilian leader - wearing a Navy flight suit like he was a Third World military dictator?

> Go read "Lone Survivor" and see what message he
> has for you LIBS.

Big talk from a Republican Dead Ender.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Ozambie in Chief ()
Date: April 12, 2009 07:51PM

A Troll Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So what do you Republican asswipes have to say
> > now? You were comparing Obama to Carter and
> > talking about how Obama was afraid to take
> > decisive action against East Africans. Turns
> out
> > you were all full of shit, don't it?
> >
> > Oh, and before you claim that the decision to
> take
> > deadly action was strictly that of the Navy
> > commanders on the scene...it wasn't. The
> President
> > had to give the go ahead for this.
> >
> > You fuckers are big-time PWND!
>
> Way to grasp at straws. Any president would have
> handled this incident essentially the same way,
> even Carter.

You seriously think Carter or LBJ would have handled the situation this way? Seriously?

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: April 12, 2009 08:04PM


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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 12, 2009 08:08PM

Obama...Obama...Obama!!!!

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 12, 2009 08:16PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> The President had to give the go ahead for this.


why?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 12, 2009 10:34PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The President had to give the go ahead for
> this.
>
> why?


Standing orders with the military in a non-combat zone is to not use deadly force unless being attacked. The sailor was a U.S. citizen in international waters. The commanders had to request authority to take out the pirates. It is standard military procedure and would have been the case with any POTUS.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 13, 2009 12:01AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Standing orders with the military in a non-combat
> zone is to not use deadly force unless being
> attacked. The sailor was a U.S. citizen in
> international waters. The commanders had to
> request authority to take out the pirates. It is
> standard military procedure and would have been
> the case with any POTUS.


well im glad the USA/Obama has taken the position of not taking shit from pirates unlike other countries. :)

however, im not sure there was an order to kill the pirates as one surrendered. it does seem like more like they were following the rules of engagement bit.

Quote
BBC News

US navy snipers have shot dead three pirates holding a US captain in a boat off Somalia, in a dramatic rescue authorised by President Barack Obama.

They opened fire from a nearby warship as a pirate pointed a gun at their captive, the navy said.

[...]

i dont know the exact details so im interested in what the press release says.

im not against obama or anything, i just want information to be verified if someone is going to boast about something.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Believer ()
Date: April 13, 2009 12:16AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
>
> Standing orders with the military in a non-combat
> zone is to not use deadly force unless being
> attacked. The sailor was a U.S. citizen in
> international waters. The commanders had to
> request authority to take out the pirates. It is
> standard military procedure and would have been
> the case with any POTUS.


So President Obama approved the killing of three poor starving Muslims from Africa? You find that acceptable? If Secretary Clinton and the State Department had been allowed time for proper negotiation, there would have been an agreement reached without this extreme violence.

All these so-called pirates are accused of is taking some pancake flour from the IHOP of the open seas. Did that warrant a death sentence? Two of them were in the back seat and were not even considered a threat. After all, the Captain VOLUNTEERED to go with them.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Sheriff of Trollville ()
Date: April 13, 2009 12:18AM

Spunky wrote:

"All these so-called pirates are accused of is taking some pancake flour from the IHOP of the open seas."

Speaking metaphorically is a symptom of schizophrenia. Spunky, please refrain from using aliases.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 13, 2009 12:21AM

Believer Wrote:
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> All these so-called pirates are accused of is
> taking some pancake flour from the IHOP of the
> open seas. Did that warrant a death sentence?


it doesnt matter what you are stealing, if you take hostages, you get killed if you dont surrender. it happens when people take hostages at banks or anywhere else.


> Two of them were in the back seat and were not
> even considered a threat.


umm... im pretty sure they were all armed.


> After all, the Captain VOLUNTEERED to go with them.

yeah, to ensure to safety of the others.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: L8 Nite Troll ()
Date: April 13, 2009 01:07AM

Fact of the day: According to his blog, Gravis suffers from bipolar disorder and depression. His medicine caused a significant increase in weight. His real name is not in this forum. His real name ends with "rner."

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: April 13, 2009 02:10AM

The CIC gave the go ahead for Lethal Means as an open-ended option in dealing with the Hostage takers, but he never gave any specific direction on the matter. The CO on scene could have given the order anytime he saw fit, but he conducted himself in the wise manner of covering his rear in case all Hell broke loose. Politicians have a funny way of hanging the MIL out to dry when it suits their needs, and I can assure you that those on scene were well aware of such a fact.

DO NOT take away the credit from those who truly deserve it, which includes the USN SEAL Teams, USN VBSS Teams, the Crew and Captain of the Maersk Alabama, and the Sailors onboard the USS Bainbridge, USS Boxer, and the USS Halyburton. The CIC did nothing more than sign a document, which required some common sense, so cease this mouth gaping, jaw-dropping, anointment of your pedestal mounted idol. All credit is due to the USN, and the USMM, so keep it where it belongs.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: April 13, 2009 02:38AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 03:21PM by Alias.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 13, 2009 03:41AM

L8 Nite Troll Wrote:
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> Gravis suffers from bipolar disorder and depression.


"I have two apples and a second apple." <-- that makes the same amount of sense


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 06:16AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Standing orders with the military in a
> non-combat
> > zone is to not use deadly force unless being
> > attacked. The sailor was a U.S. citizen in
> > international waters. The commanders had to
> > request authority to take out the pirates. It
> is
> > standard military procedure and would have been
> > the case with any POTUS.
>
> well im glad the USA/Obama has taken the position
> of not taking shit from pirates unlike other
> countries. :)
>
> however, im not sure there was an order to kill
> the pirates as one surrendered. it does seem like
> more like they were following the rules of
> engagement bit.
>
>
>
> US navy snipers have shot dead three pirates
> holding a US captain in a boat off Somalia, in a
> dramatic rescue authorised by President Barack
> Obama.
>
> They opened fire from a nearby warship as a pirate
> pointed a gun at their captive, the navy said.
>
> [...]
>
> i dont know the exact details so im interested in
> what the press release says.
>
> im not against obama or anything, i just want
> information to be verified if someone is going to
> boast about something.


Obama approved the use of deadly force twice. It's been in several news articles.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 06:18AM

Believer Wrote:
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>
>
> So President Obama approved the killing of three
> poor starving Muslims from Africa? You find that
> acceptable?

I approve of the killing of AK-47-wielding pirates who hold innocent people hostage.

> If Secretary Clinton and the State
> Department had been allowed time for proper
> negotiation, there would have been an agreement
> reached without this extreme violence.
>
Oh, please.

> All these so-called pirates are accused of is
> taking some pancake flour from the IHOP of the
> open seas. Did that warrant a death sentence?
> Two of them were in the back seat and were not
> even considered a threat. After all, the Captain
> VOLUNTEERED to go with them.

LOL!

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 06:19AM

Alias Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian wrote:
>
> "So what you Republican asswipes have to say now?
> You comparing Obama to Carter and talking about
> how Obama was afraid to take decisive action
> against East Africans...."
>
> Vince(1) wrote:
>
> Obama...Obama....Obama!
> ________________________________
>
> Your hero killed 3 africans. Good for him.
>
> What about North Korea?
>
> Obama, Obama, Obama... a magazine cover.


He killed three thugs. Good for him...good for America.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: teller ()
Date: April 13, 2009 07:33AM

Somalia is an interesting beast. It's estimated to have about 6600 tons of recoverable uranium and a country of interest by most major powers.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 13, 2009 08:45AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Obama approved the use of deadly force twice. It's
> been in several news articles.


it's good to know that USA isnt a bunch of pussies now. :D


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Believer ()
Date: April 13, 2009 09:14AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> He killed three thugs. Good for him...good for America.

Go ahead and pound your military chest. Three snipers from 30 yards on a stable platform. Single shots. Not much of a challenge for those guys. President Obama ordered the execution of these three Africans... that's no different than McBush would have done, and that's a shame. These three young men were doing what they were told and trying to earn some money for their families. Why not try to fix the situation that is causing the turmoil in their country? Obama should be willing to sit down with their leaders and discuss the issues, which range from overfishing their coast to blocking the sale of their natural resources. We elected him to provide a more measured response to situations like this.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 13, 2009 09:19AM

Believer Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > He killed three thugs. Good for him...good for
> America.
>
> Go ahead and pound your military chest. Three
> snipers from 30 yards on a stable platform.
> Single shots. Not much of a challenge for those
> guys. President Obama ordered the execution of
> these three Africans... that's no different than
> McBush would have done, and that's a shame. These
> three young men were doing what they were told and
> trying to earn some money for their families. Why
> not try to fix the situation that is causing the
> turmoil in their country? Obama should be willing
> to sit down with their leaders and discuss the
> issues, which range from overfishing their coast
> to blocking the sale of their natural resources.
> We elected him to provide a more measured response
> to situations like this.


True..but firdt things first.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 13, 2009 10:11AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Believer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Why not try to fix the situation that is causing
> > the turmoil in their country? Obama should be
> > willing to sit down with their leaders and discuss the
> > issues, which range from overfishing their coast
> > to blocking the sale of their natural resources.
>
> True..but firdt things first.


wait, arent you mr "we should mind our own business and stay out of the affairs of other countries"? this sounds a bit hypocritical, dont you think? if you think the USA is the only one fishing there, you are wrong, which would make it none of our business according to you.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 11:01AM

Believer Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > He killed three thugs. Good for him...good for
> America.
>
> Go ahead and pound your military chest. Three
> snipers from 30 yards on a stable platform.
> Single shots. Not much of a challenge for those
> guys. President Obama ordered the execution of
> these three Africans... that's no different than
> McBush would have done, and that's a shame. These
> three young men were doing what they were told and
> trying to earn some money for their families. Why
> not try to fix the situation that is causing the
> turmoil in their country? Obama should be willing
> to sit down with their leaders and discuss the
> issues, which range from overfishing their coast
> to blocking the sale of their natural resources.
> We elected him to provide a more measured response
> to situations like this.


This was a measured response. McBush would have carpet-bombed Mogadishu.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 11:13AM

I just love how all these Republicans were complaining about Obama "cow-towing" to the Somalis. Then, when Obama gives the Seals permission to take decisive action, the Republicans are all, "Oh, those poor Somalians."

Hey, Republicans! How does it feel to be in a fucking tailspin??

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quantum Liberal ()
Date: April 13, 2009 11:17AM

You liberals are talking soooo tuuuffffff........


You'd have thought that you liberals were so tough and would call in the SEALS at any sign of problems.

Fact is, you're a bunch of cowards. How much do you want to bet that Obama actually had to take time to think about this.....

Any conservative would have made it happen in a split second.

Laugh at you "tuff girly-men liberals."

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: *YAWN* Nothing New with the GOP ()
Date: April 13, 2009 11:51AM

Any conservative would have found a way to screw up the situation. That's just how they roll. Failures. We know who really saved the day...
Attachments:
Obamaswim.bmp

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: April 13, 2009 12:01PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> So what do you Republican asswipes have to say
> now? You were comparing Obama to Carter and
> talking about how Obama was afraid to take
> decisive action against East Africans. Turns out
> you were all full of shit, don't it?
>
> Oh, and before you claim that the decision to take
> deadly action was strictly that of the Navy
> commanders on the scene...it wasn't. The President
> had to give the go ahead for this.
>
> You fuckers are big-time PWND!


WTL has reached a new low. I have never seen a more intellectually vacant post from you.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 12:27PM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
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> You liberals are talking soooo tuuuffffff........
>
>
> You'd have thought that you liberals were so tough
> and would call in the SEALS at any sign of
> problems.
>
> Fact is, you're a bunch of cowards. How much do
> you want to bet that Obama actually had to take
> time to think about this.....
>
> Any conservative would have made it happen in a
> split second.
>
> Laugh at you "tuff girly-men liberals."

Let's see. Did Dick Cheney serve in the military? No. Did Bush or Quayle serve in Vietnam? No. Did Rummy, who was in the Reserves and trained pilots, ever go to Vietnam? Fuck no. Seems to me even Rush Limbaugh and John Wayne managed to run as fucking far as possible from military service in their day.

"Tough guy" Conservatives like to talk shit about the military records of "girly-men liberals" like John Kerry and Al Gore. But at least these guys were "in country" during combat!

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 12:30PM

Justin Wrote:
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> I have never seen a
> more intellectually vacant post from you.


I suggest you look harder.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quantum Liberal ()
Date: April 13, 2009 01:35PM

> "Tough guy" Conservatives like to talk shit about
> the military records of "girly-men liberals" like
> John Kerry and Al Gore. But at least these guys
> were "in country" during combat!


John Kerry - wounded himself, asked for purple hearts, got sent home.

Al Gore - sat in front of typewriter for the whole time.

How about John McCain, GHW Bush, Gerald Ford, and I'll put GW Bush up against Obama and Clinton any day.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: April 13, 2009 01:45PM

Michael Roche, his editor for The Castle Courier, stated that "anybody who knew Al Gore in Vietnam knows he could have sat on his butt and he didn't."Of his time in the Army, Gore later stated, "I don't pretend that my own military experience matches in any way what others here have been through [...] I didn't do the most, or run the gravest danger. But I was proud to wear my country's uniform. And my own experiences gave me strong beliefs about America's obligation to keep our national defenses strong."[29] He also later stated that his experience in Vietnam "didn't change my conclusions about the war being a terrible mistake, but it struck me that opponents to the war, including myself, really did not take into account the fact that there were an awful lot of South Vietnamese who desperately wanted to hang on to what they called freedom.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: April 13, 2009 02:01PM

seriously why dont the shipping companies hire blackwater or haliburton or someone to protect their ships? If Navy Snipers can pop them off then why not get some private security sharp shooters aboard these ships and kill the pirates on their tiny lil fishing boats waving RPGs around?

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 13, 2009 02:05PM

ferfux Wrote:
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> seriously why dont the shipping companies hire
> blackwater or haliburton or someone to protect
> their ships?


that costs money and it's more enjoyable to have the world know that the US doesnt take shit from pirates. :)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: April 13, 2009 02:05PM

ferfux Wrote:
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> seriously why dont the shipping companies hire
> blackwater or haliburton or someone to protect
> their ships? If Navy Snipers can pop them off
> then why not get some private security sharp
> shooters aboard these ships and kill the pirates
> on their tiny lil fishing boats waving RPGs
> around?

That's a good idea, but I imagine that there are rules and agreements about having an armed force in international waters.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Small World ()
Date: April 13, 2009 02:45PM

There's only one solution to help prevent these ships from getting hijacked, and that's to arm them. I know we all love to hate those evil private military contractors, but they would come in handy here.

How do I know? Because I spent a month straight off the coast of Mogadishu conducting counter-piracy ops while in the Navy. Forget it guys, we can't watch all the water in the Gulf of Aden and off the horn of east Africa, we'd be wasting tons of money on food, supplies, and JP-5 fuel, chasing around speedboats, always a step behind.

You need to arm the ships with well-trained guys. You don't even need that many. The reason why these pirates don't mess with warships (aside from the fact that their crew is all military) is that we stand 24 hour watches topside, and it would be nearly impossible to sneak up on one. Throw some guys on these, who will have the higher ground, and better fire discipline. After a few "incidents", these pirates will learn to back off and try messing with a more vulnerable ship. They don't want to be martyrs, they want money, and none of them is looking to get blown out of the water over it,

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 13, 2009 02:47PM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
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>
> How about John McCain,

You mean the guy who crashed five jets? The one who would have been washed out of the Naval Academy if his dad, the Admiral, hadn't stepped in? The same one who provided information to his captors? That John McCain?

> GHW Bush,

Flew observation planes, not fighters...as has often been claimed by the Right. When his plane got hit, he violated protocol and bailed out without checking to see if his two crewmen were alive or able to bail out...possibly contributing to their deaths because the plane lost control when the pilot bailed. Under normal circumstances he would have been grounded for the rest of the war, but because he daddy was a Senator, that didn't happen.

> Gerald Ford,

Ford wasn't a "tough guy conservative."

and
> I'll put GW Bush up against Obama and Clinton any
> day.

Joined the Texas Air National Guard to get out of being sent to Vietnam. Never qualified to fly as a pilot because he wouldn't take the proper physical exams (what, afraid of blood tests, maybe?). Then was re-assigned to Alabama where he failed to show up for his duties for two years? Stellar move, Kojak.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Libertarian1 ()
Date: April 13, 2009 08:58PM

Jimmy Carter sent choppers to save the hostages. Only a twisted moron would revel in the failure. Obama gave an order that saved a hostage. How could anyone react with anything but joy over that?

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: April 13, 2009 09:09PM

GHW Bush flew Avengers which was a dive bomber. Not an observing plane. During their attack, the Avengers encountered intense anti-aircraft fire; Bush's aircraft was hit by flak[7] and his engine caught on fire.[1] Despite his plane being on fire, Bush completed his attack and released bombs over his target, scoring several damaging hits.[1] With his engine afire, Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft;[7] the other man's parachute did not open.[1] It has not been determined which man bailed out with Bush[1] as both Delaney and White were killed as a result of the battle.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2009 09:11PM by ferfux.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: April 14, 2009 01:44AM

I dont get this... the republican party shits on Obama for the past week over this event, saying that he wont be able to handle it, then he handles it (better than i thought was possible i might add) and everyone says, "yea, so what, any president would have done that." This is why i hate democrats, and i hate republicans even more, you're all a bunch of assholes with your head stuck in the sand.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Small World ()
Date: April 14, 2009 09:30AM

Everybody cheers now, but these ships are going to continue to get hijacked, and their crews taken hostage. If I had an RPG or an AK-47 and the biggest thing I had to worry about was getting hit with a fire hose, I wouldn't feel at all nervous to do it myself. Stop wasting time/money and arm these ships, work out some kind of international contract if you have to, but do it sooner rather than later.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quantum Liberal ()
Date: April 14, 2009 09:41AM

Kenny_Powers Wrote:
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> I dont get this... the republican party shits on
> Obama for the past week over this event, saying
> that he wont be able to handle it, then he handles
> it (better than i thought was possible i might
> add) and everyone says, "yea, so what, any
> president would have done that." This is why i
> hate democrats, and i hate republicans even more,
> you're all a bunch of assholes with your head
> stuck in the sand.

So you applaud Obama for saying yes to a no-brainer decision?

All he did was say yes. You are trying to make it sound like he was one of the SEAL snipers and took the first shot. He did nothing different than Bush would have done, other than trying to make himself a hero after the rescue.

For the most part, Obama will be a hindrance to the military because he has no experience with the military and will treat them as a group of community organizers. Just watch...

Just wait until he has a real decision to make. Jimmy Carter revisited....What a joke.

BTW all you liberals.... Obama has made the same decisions on Afghanistan and Iraq that Bush did. You wanted change and you can't even recognize the difference.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: DC ()
Date: April 14, 2009 10:15AM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
>
> So you applaud Obama for saying yes to a
> no-brainer decision?
>
> All he did was say yes. You are trying to make it
> sound like he was one of the SEAL snipers and took
> the first shot. He did nothing different than Bush
> would have done, other than trying to make himself
> a hero after the rescue.
>
> For the most part, Obama will be a hindrance to
> the military because he has no experience with the
> military and will treat them as a group of
> community organizers. Just watch...
>
> Just wait until he has a real decision to make.
> Jimmy Carter revisited....What a joke.
>
> BTW all you liberals.... Obama has made the same
> decisions on Afghanistan and Iraq that Bush did.
> You wanted change and you can't even recognize the
> difference.

I think any president would have acted the same way with this hostage situation. I also the think the intellectual quotient varies with the threads posted on FU.

The fact of the matter: the media in this country (and his populous supporters) will not ALLOW this man to fail as President. He will repeatedly make the correct decision, even if Bush made or would have made the same ones. There are so many mindless, ignorant people in this country, that I'm sure no matter how good or bad his term goes, he'll probably be re-elected.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 10:21AM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
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>
> For the most part, Obama will be a hindrance to
> the military because he has no experience with the
> military and will treat them as a group of
> community organizers. Just watch...
>


Presidents who never served in the military:

Abraham Lincoln
Woodrow Wilson
FDR
Thomas Jefferson


Presidents who did:

Jimmy Carter
Richard Nixon
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush

Military experience does not necessarily mean someone will be an effective President.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 10:23AM

DC Wrote:
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>
> I think any president would have acted the same
> way with this hostage situation. I also the think
> the intellectual quotient varies with the threads
> posted on FU.
>


Apparently you weren't around in the 70s for Jimmy Carter and the Iranian Hostage Crisis or the 80s for Reagan and the Beirut Hostage Crisis.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quantum Liberal ()
Date: April 14, 2009 10:57AM

Any bets on whether Obama decides that the solution to the pirate problem includes nation-building of Somalia?

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 11:13AM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
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> Any bets on whether Obama decides that the
> solution to the pirate problem includes
> nation-building of Somalia?


You are mistaking Obama for Bush. That won't be happening.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 14, 2009 11:19AM

We have a hard enough time nation-building Iraq, which is a relatively safe, stable country compared to a place like Somalia. I'm sure we'll continue to send aid money, but can't imagine we'd put boots on the ground in an attempt to restore order in a place where there hasn't really been order in 40 or 50 years.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: DC ()
Date: April 14, 2009 11:27AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:

> Apparently you weren't around in the 70s for Jimmy
> Carter and the Iranian Hostage Crisis or the 80s
> for Reagan and the Beirut Hostage Crisis.

Care to elaborate? Why is that apparent?

Those were diplomatic situations with far reaching impact. What just happened was a tactical situation. A bit of a difference



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/14/2009 11:28AM by DC.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 11:39AM

DC Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
>
> > Apparently you weren't around in the 70s for
> Jimmy
> > Carter and the Iranian Hostage Crisis or the
> 80s
> > for Reagan and the Beirut Hostage Crisis.
>
> Care to elaborate? Why is that apparent?
>
> Those were diplomatic situations with far reaching
> impact. What just happened was a tactical
> situation. A bit of a difference

Hezbollah kidnapping Americans off the streets of Beirut was "a diplomatic situation?" I don't recall Hezbollah being a diplomatically recognized entity in the 1980s.

Reagan's response to Hezbollah was to try to trade arms for hostages. Do you think Obama would do that?

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: DC ()
Date: April 14, 2009 11:54AM

The recent situation occurred in international waters.

When American citizens are kidnapped off the street in a specific country, then yes, it really is a "diplomatic situation". The State Department tries to work with that government to get them back. Reagan did not have a tactical option.

Again, your examples are not applicable.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 14, 2009 12:14PM

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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 12:43PM

DC Wrote:
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> The recent situation occurred in international
> waters.
>
> When American citizens are kidnapped off the
> street in a specific country, then yes, it really
> is a "diplomatic situation". The State Department
> tries to work with that government to get them
> back. Reagan did not have a tactical option.
>
> Again, your examples are not applicable.


Excuse me? Who the hell was the State Department going to talk to in Beirut? Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. "A tactical option" was THE ONLY solution Reagan could have had. Instead, Reagan decided to negotiate with the terrorists. Obama didn't.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quantum Liberal ()
Date: April 14, 2009 01:00PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Quantum Liberal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Any bets on whether Obama decides that the
> > solution to the pirate problem includes
> > nation-building of Somalia?
>
>
> You are mistaking Obama for Bush. That won't be
> happening.

You are so sure of yourself. Does that mean that if Obama's actions were nation-building but he said that he wasn't nation-building, you would believe him?

Watch the level of aid to Somalia skyrocket. Nation-building. Like throwing money in a hole.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Monie in the Middle ()
Date: April 14, 2009 01:01PM

+1 WTL
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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 01:06PM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quantum Liberal Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Any bets on whether Obama decides that the
> > > solution to the pirate problem includes
> > > nation-building of Somalia?
> >
> >
> > You are mistaking Obama for Bush. That won't be
> > happening.
>
> You are so sure of yourself. Does that mean that
> if Obama's actions were nation-building but he
> said that he wasn't nation-building, you would
> believe him?
>
> Watch the level of aid to Somalia skyrocket.
> Nation-building. Like throwing money in a hole.

Obama is too politically savvy to get bogged down in Somalia. The solution to the pirate problem off the coast of Somalia is to kill any fucker who tries to hijack a U.S. ship. Yes, it doesn't deal with the root cause (the failed state of Somalia), but at this point in time, Obama has too much shit on his plate to add Somalia to it.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: DC ()
Date: April 14, 2009 01:20PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:

> "A tactical option" was
> THE ONLY solution Reagan could have had. Instead,
> Reagan decided to negotiate with the terrorists.
> Obama didn't.

Actually, there were FBI negotiators talking with the pirates.

So now you're for military operations in foreign countries without their consent.

Great consistency man.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 02:01PM

DC Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
>
> > "A tactical option" was
> > THE ONLY solution Reagan could have had.
> Instead,
> > Reagan decided to negotiate with the
> terrorists.
> > Obama didn't.
>
> Actually, there were FBI negotiators talking with
> the pirates.

The FBI is not a part of the State Department.

>
> So now you're for military operations in foreign
> countries without their consent.

So now we have to ask for consent before we blow up an enemy in another country? Did I miss the part about where we asked Hitler if we could invade Germany?
>
> Great consistency man.


How am I inconsistent? Please give me examples or shut the fuck up.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: DC ()
Date: April 14, 2009 02:14PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> So now we have to ask for consent before we blow
> up an enemy in another country? Did I miss the
> part about where we asked Hitler if we could
> invade Germany?
> >
> > Great consistency man.
>
>
> How am I inconsistent? Please give me examples or
> shut the fuck up.

Wow. How much $$ have you given to the Republican party? FU wants to know.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Somali man ()
Date: April 14, 2009 02:42PM

ey man any one see how small Somali is on a map??? so small!

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Three Chefs ()
Date: April 14, 2009 02:54PM

Small, like DC's privates.
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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: DC ()
Date: April 14, 2009 03:27PM

A little blurry, but a great family photo none the less.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Hug-A-Republican Day (They Need It). ()
Date: April 14, 2009 03:42PM

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Mentoring Boys (The GOP Way) ()
Date: April 14, 2009 03:45PM

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Date: April 14, 2009 03:46PM

Hug-A-Republican Day (They Need It). Wrote:
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> .


It's kind of sad that the entire Republican platform rests on hopes that the President, and country, fails. God forbid the Republicans can come up with a new idea...you know, that doesn't result in massive recession or military quagmires overseas.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quantum Liberal ()
Date: April 14, 2009 03:49PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Hug-A-Republican Day (They Need It). Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > .
>
>
> It's kind of sad that the entire Republican
> platform rests on hopes that the President, and
> country, fails. God forbid the Republicans can
> come up with a new idea...you know, that doesn't
> result in massive recession or military quagmires
> overseas.

That was the complete platform that Obama ran on. Wanting the president to fail.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: A Tribe Called ?uestlove ()
Date: April 14, 2009 03:49PM

Idea factories, they are not. LOL.
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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Mongoose Bicycles circa 1985 ()
Date: April 14, 2009 03:52PM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
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> >
> That was the complete platform that Obama ran on.
> Wanting the president to fail.

That's laughable. Like you, Bush already FAILED.
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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Bring It On ()
Date: April 14, 2009 05:16PM

Here we go again. They must like getting shot in the head.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy
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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quantum Liberal ()
Date: April 14, 2009 06:57PM

Quantum change
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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: LOL ()
Date: April 15, 2009 08:36PM

Too funny

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: April 16, 2009 04:28AM

Quantum Liberal Wrote:
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> Kenny_Powers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I dont get this... the republican party shits
> on
> > Obama for the past week over this event, saying
> > that he wont be able to handle it, then he
> handles
> > it (better than i thought was possible i might
> > add) and everyone says, "yea, so what, any
> > president would have done that." This is why i
> > hate democrats, and i hate republicans even
> more,
> > you're all a bunch of assholes with your head
> > stuck in the sand.
>
> So you applaud Obama for saying yes to a
> no-brainer decision?

so all ronald reagan did during the iran hostage crisis was say "yes"?

>
> All he did was say yes. You are trying to make it
> sound like he was one of the SEAL snipers and took
> the first shot. He did nothing different than Bush
> would have done, other than trying to make himself
> a hero after the rescue.

Am i missing something? when did obama go on tv and say he was a hero? youd think he was standing on that air craft carrier with a sign that said "mission accomplished"
>
> For the most part, Obama will be a hindrance to
> the military because he has no experience with the
> military and will treat them as a group of
> community organizers. Just watch...
Yeah you're right, as opposed to all that "experience" bush had with the military.
>
> Just wait until he has a real decision to make.
> Jimmy Carter revisited....What a joke.
So you and other republicans call him jimmy carter for not doing anything about this crisis, then when he acts you say "just wait for a real situation to come up"?
>
> BTW all you liberals.... Obama has made the same
> decisions on Afghanistan and Iraq that Bush did.
> You wanted change and you can't even recognize the
> difference.
A.) im not a liberal, as i clearly stated in my statement "i hate democrats", but i guess you missed that.
B.) No shit, do you think im applauding the fact that Obama has said 16-20 months we would start to withdrawl in Iraw, and now its "we'll look at it in 20 months". I have said this before. What i do recognize is partisan bullshit, which you and other republicans have been shouting for the past week since this happened.

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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: Quatum Liberal ()
Date: April 16, 2009 08:27AM

Voted for Change?
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Re: President Obama - Kill the Somali Pirates
Posted by: GOP Well-Documented, Historical Failures ()
Date: April 16, 2009 10:47AM

This is your guy. This is your guy on FAILURE. Any questions?
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