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Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Neutral Internet
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Date: November 10, 2014 12:13PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/10/us-usa-internet-neutrality-idUSKCN0IU1I620141110
Obama's detailed position on the issue of "net neutrality," a platform in his presidential campaign in 2008, represented a rare step by the White House into the policy-setting of an independent agency.
It came after nearly 4 million comments flooded the Federal Communications Commission after Chairman Tom Wheeler formally proposed new Internet traffic rules in May.
Shares of major cable companies, which connect many Americans to the Internet, slid on the news. Time Warner Cable Inc was down 3.4 percent; its planned purchaser, Comcast Corp, fell 3.o percent; and Cablevision Systems Corp was 1.8 percent lower. Verizon Communications Inc was down less than 0.1 percent.
Comcast was by far the most actively traded stock on U.S. markets, with more than 35 million shares changing hands by 11:16 a.m. EST.
Public internet groups have vigorously opposed Wheeler's proposal, which prohibited Internet service providers from blocking any content, but allowed deals where content providers would pay ISPs to ensure smooth delivery of traffic.
Obama's detailed position on the issue of "net neutrality," a platform in his presidential campaign in 2008, represented a rare step by the White House into the policy-setting of an independent agency.
It came after nearly 4 million comments flooded the Federal Communications Commission after Chairman Tom Wheeler formally proposed new Internet traffic rules in May.
Shares of major cable companies, which connect many Americans to the Internet, slid on the news. Time Warner Cable Inc was down 3.4 percent; its planned purchaser, Comcast Corp, fell 3.o percent; and Cablevision Systems Corp was 1.8 percent lower. Verizon Communications Inc was down less than 0.1 percent.
Comcast was by far the most actively traded stock on U.S. markets, with more than 35 million shares changing hands by 11:16 a.m. EST.
Public internet groups have vigorously opposed Wheeler's proposal, which prohibited Internet service providers from blocking any content, but allowed deals where content providers would pay ISPs to ensure smooth delivery of traffic.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Ted Cruz is Back
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Date: November 10, 2014 12:28PM
Today, President Obama came out in support of net neutrality, asking the FCC to reclassify broadband as a public utility. This would help stop ISPs from creating "internet slow lanes" and throttling customers. Senator Ted Cruz—who accepted campaign funds from Comcast, one of those ISPs—thinks this is a bad idea.
Ted Cruz and his team have the facts wrong about net neutrality. Obama specifically said the government would NOT be in charge of pricing: "I believe the FCC should reclassify consumer broadband service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act — while at the same time forbearing from rate regulation and other provisions less relevant to broadband services." Emphasis mine. Government will not rate regulate and saying so is lying.
This is a dangerous idea because Cruz is one of the most powerful people in Congress. He's on the Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet. This is a man people give their attention.
And he's conflating a hatred with anything Obama stands for with a hatred for this particular stance, which is a rational and potentially bipartisan solution to a problem that affects everyone across the aisle (or at least everyone across the aisle without ties to the ISPs).
Ted Cruz and his team have the facts wrong about net neutrality. Obama specifically said the government would NOT be in charge of pricing: "I believe the FCC should reclassify consumer broadband service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act — while at the same time forbearing from rate regulation and other provisions less relevant to broadband services." Emphasis mine. Government will not rate regulate and saying so is lying.
This is a dangerous idea because Cruz is one of the most powerful people in Congress. He's on the Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet. This is a man people give their attention.
And he's conflating a hatred with anything Obama stands for with a hatred for this particular stance, which is a rational and potentially bipartisan solution to a problem that affects everyone across the aisle (or at least everyone across the aisle without ties to the ISPs).
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
"net neutrality" isn't.
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Date: November 10, 2014 12:35PM
Duh.
Why so butthurt? U mad?
Why so butthurt? U mad?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
vUpdW
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Date: November 10, 2014 12:36PM
Even though this is good for EVERYONE and makes complete sense - I bet a million buck not one GOP fuck on this site can just comment on how Obama is right about this issue and that they support him.
NOT ONE of our regular registered rightwing trolls will just accept that this will save them money and get on board. They would really pay MORE just to not admit this from Obama makes sense.
NOT ONE of our regular registered rightwing trolls will just accept that this will save them money and get on board. They would really pay MORE just to not admit this from Obama makes sense.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
"million buck"
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Date: November 10, 2014 12:38PM
Engrish. Do u spik it?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
H6xXw
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Date: November 10, 2014 12:42PM
"million buck" Wrote:
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> Engrish. Do u spik it?
Still does not change the fact that no rightwing fuck will post here and support the POTUS on this simple issue.
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> Engrish. Do u spik it?
Still does not change the fact that no rightwing fuck will post here and support the POTUS on this simple issue.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Bob Khan says you're an idiot.
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Date: November 10, 2014 12:46PM
Why u hate science?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Conserva-tards!
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Date: November 10, 2014 01:20PM
Why do conserva-tards hate freedom?
Conserva-tards!
LoLz!
Conserva-tards!
LoLz!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Freedom of Info
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Date: November 10, 2014 01:23PM
Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> Why do conserva-tards hate freedom?
>
> Conserva-tards!
>
> LoLz!
Because freedom doesn't put dollar bills in GOP politicians back pockets.
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> Why do conserva-tards hate freedom?
>
> Conserva-tards!
>
> LoLz!
Because freedom doesn't put dollar bills in GOP politicians back pockets.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
butthurt. yes, you are.
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Date: November 10, 2014 01:29PM
Why so mad?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Conserva-tards!
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Date: November 10, 2014 01:31PM
Freedom of Info Wrote:
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> Because freedom doesn't put dollar bills in GOP
> politicians back pockets.
+1
It's SO very true!
Conserva-tards!
LoLz!
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> Because freedom doesn't put dollar bills in GOP
> politicians back pockets.
+1
It's SO very true!
Conserva-tards!
LoLz!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
"tardz" = the butthurt.
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Date: November 10, 2014 01:52PM
We see it.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Reality SHOW
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Date: November 10, 2014 02:37PM
"tardz" = the butthurt. Wrote:
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> We see it.
Finally! What? Did you put down the crack pipe?
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> We see it.
Finally! What? Did you put down the crack pipe?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
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Date: November 10, 2014 04:21PM
Why are libs so hateful and repulsed by everything American?
Why do libs think everything should be free?
Net neutraility is a stupid fucking thing to do, unless you're a socialist pig or an entitled lib that thinks he should not work, draw welfare and live on Park Avenue, NY, NY.
You dumb fucks. Net neutraility is socialism and the USA is a free market society even as much as you libs hate that fact.
These corporations like Comcast (who haven't created hundreds of thousands of jobs in the lib mind) have invested billions into internet infrastructure. It would suck otherwise and will suck big time like OBUMBLEFUCK CARE and everything else government touches if it were to be "neutral"
Just leave the USA already libs.
Americans won! We voted you commie pigs out!
DEAL WITH IT!
Why do libs think everything should be free?
Net neutraility is a stupid fucking thing to do, unless you're a socialist pig or an entitled lib that thinks he should not work, draw welfare and live on Park Avenue, NY, NY.
You dumb fucks. Net neutraility is socialism and the USA is a free market society even as much as you libs hate that fact.
These corporations like Comcast (who haven't created hundreds of thousands of jobs in the lib mind) have invested billions into internet infrastructure. It would suck otherwise and will suck big time like OBUMBLEFUCK CARE and everything else government touches if it were to be "neutral"
Just leave the USA already libs.
Americans won! We voted you commie pigs out!
DEAL WITH IT!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Raphael is his real name
()
Date: November 10, 2014 04:34PM
Ted Cruz's Net Neutrality Take Isn't Just Dumb, It's Dangerous
Kate Knibbs
Filed to: Net Neutrality
Today, President Obama came out in support of net neutrality, asking the FCC to reclassify broadband as a public utility. This would help stop ISPs from creating "internet slow lanes" and throttling customers. Senator Ted Cruz—who accepted campaign funds from telcom giant Comcast—immediately fired back with this incendiary tweet:
Comparing net neutrality to Obamacare is basically the most insulting parallel a conservative senator can make—half buzzword, half slur, and 100% cynical.
Cruz's communications director got in on the action, too:
This is a disingenuous, chickenshit political maneuver and nothing more.
Ted Cruz and his team have the facts wrong about net neutrality. Obama specifically said the government would NOT be in charge of pricing: "I believe the FCC should reclassify consumer broadband service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act — while at the same time forbearing from rate regulation and other provisions less relevant to broadband services."
Emphasis mine. Government will not rate regulate and saying so is lying (or maybe they didn't actually read the statement?).
Cruz is one of the most powerful people in Congress, and he's considering a presidential run in 2016. He's on the Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet, which handles internet governance and FCC oversight. This is a man people give their attention, which makes this statement dangerous as well as disingenuous.
Cruz is rallying his supporters by denigrating the Obama administration's politics. He is conflating a hatred with anything Obama stands for with a hatred for this particular stance, which is a rational and potentially bipartisan solution to a problem that affects everyone across the aisle (or at least everyone across the aisle without ties to the ISPs).
Obama is not saying the government should wrest control from private companies and start administering the Internet itself. He is trying to keep the Internet as an equalizer. There is no need for political polarization here.
But political polarization we're gonna get. Cruz isn't alone in trying to characterize a push to protect consumers as a socialist—or at the least, bureaucratic—nightmare. Broadband for America had this to say:
President Barack Obama's endorsement of 1930's era Title II classification would lead to unprecedented government interference in the Internet and would hurt consumers and innovation. Further, for the President to issue this directive is a threat to the independence of the FCC itself. By vastly expanding the regulatory bureaucracy over the internet, the administration is turning its back on 20 years of bipartisan consensus that has allowed the Internet to flourish. The President's approach would threaten millions of jobs and a diverse array of stakeholders including, labor, civil-rights organization, and tech companies, who have long advocated for a far more restrained approach.
The characterization that reclassifying the internet as a utility will hamper innovation and introduce a byzantine influx of administrative red tape is wrong, and it obscures the actual issue at hand here: Net neutrality protection is what is best for consumers. It will not choke off chances for innovation; it will ensure that innovators from across the socioeconomic spectrum will have a more level playing field when it comes to receiving information.
ISPs are moving away from net neutrality in their attempts to throttle and lay out premium traffic lanes. This is one of those attacks on our freedoms you hear about on Fox News.
The government will not determine the speed of the internet, it will simply stop ISPs from slowing service down. Obama is asking private companies to treat their customers fairly; there is no part of his plan that involves the government seizing control of providers.
Freedom is a word that gets thrown around a lot in politics. Conservatives believe big government curtails freedoms. This can happen, and it is important to interrogate when and why the government creates and enforces new legislation. If the FCC authorizes the internet fast lane rules, the government will be stifling innovation and hurting its citizens. But the government is not the only force that can constrict freedom.
Corporations can be just as tyrannical as corrupt federal administrations, and we have been in danger of ISPs controlling and corroding the flow of information through the internet in a way that would be detrimental to everybody. This is not a case of government scope creep. This is a case of the executive branch of the government taking a stand in an attempt to preserve an endangered freedom.
The only thing net neutrality would slow down is the speed at which you're getting fucked, and that's something everyone in Congress should agree on.
Kate Knibbs
Filed to: Net Neutrality
Today, President Obama came out in support of net neutrality, asking the FCC to reclassify broadband as a public utility. This would help stop ISPs from creating "internet slow lanes" and throttling customers. Senator Ted Cruz—who accepted campaign funds from telcom giant Comcast—immediately fired back with this incendiary tweet:
Comparing net neutrality to Obamacare is basically the most insulting parallel a conservative senator can make—half buzzword, half slur, and 100% cynical.
Cruz's communications director got in on the action, too:
This is a disingenuous, chickenshit political maneuver and nothing more.
Ted Cruz and his team have the facts wrong about net neutrality. Obama specifically said the government would NOT be in charge of pricing: "I believe the FCC should reclassify consumer broadband service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act — while at the same time forbearing from rate regulation and other provisions less relevant to broadband services."
Emphasis mine. Government will not rate regulate and saying so is lying (or maybe they didn't actually read the statement?).
Cruz is one of the most powerful people in Congress, and he's considering a presidential run in 2016. He's on the Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet, which handles internet governance and FCC oversight. This is a man people give their attention, which makes this statement dangerous as well as disingenuous.
Cruz is rallying his supporters by denigrating the Obama administration's politics. He is conflating a hatred with anything Obama stands for with a hatred for this particular stance, which is a rational and potentially bipartisan solution to a problem that affects everyone across the aisle (or at least everyone across the aisle without ties to the ISPs).
Obama is not saying the government should wrest control from private companies and start administering the Internet itself. He is trying to keep the Internet as an equalizer. There is no need for political polarization here.
But political polarization we're gonna get. Cruz isn't alone in trying to characterize a push to protect consumers as a socialist—or at the least, bureaucratic—nightmare. Broadband for America had this to say:
President Barack Obama's endorsement of 1930's era Title II classification would lead to unprecedented government interference in the Internet and would hurt consumers and innovation. Further, for the President to issue this directive is a threat to the independence of the FCC itself. By vastly expanding the regulatory bureaucracy over the internet, the administration is turning its back on 20 years of bipartisan consensus that has allowed the Internet to flourish. The President's approach would threaten millions of jobs and a diverse array of stakeholders including, labor, civil-rights organization, and tech companies, who have long advocated for a far more restrained approach.
The characterization that reclassifying the internet as a utility will hamper innovation and introduce a byzantine influx of administrative red tape is wrong, and it obscures the actual issue at hand here: Net neutrality protection is what is best for consumers. It will not choke off chances for innovation; it will ensure that innovators from across the socioeconomic spectrum will have a more level playing field when it comes to receiving information.
ISPs are moving away from net neutrality in their attempts to throttle and lay out premium traffic lanes. This is one of those attacks on our freedoms you hear about on Fox News.
The government will not determine the speed of the internet, it will simply stop ISPs from slowing service down. Obama is asking private companies to treat their customers fairly; there is no part of his plan that involves the government seizing control of providers.
Freedom is a word that gets thrown around a lot in politics. Conservatives believe big government curtails freedoms. This can happen, and it is important to interrogate when and why the government creates and enforces new legislation. If the FCC authorizes the internet fast lane rules, the government will be stifling innovation and hurting its citizens. But the government is not the only force that can constrict freedom.
Corporations can be just as tyrannical as corrupt federal administrations, and we have been in danger of ISPs controlling and corroding the flow of information through the internet in a way that would be detrimental to everybody. This is not a case of government scope creep. This is a case of the executive branch of the government taking a stand in an attempt to preserve an endangered freedom.
The only thing net neutrality would slow down is the speed at which you're getting fucked, and that's something everyone in Congress should agree on.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
The butthurt here.
()
Date: November 10, 2014 05:20PM
We see it.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
shittytoucher
()
Date: November 10, 2014 05:24PM
maybe the fact that everything Obama touches turns to shit makes some people uneasy whenever Obama decides to 'fix' something.....
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
cPVeP
()
Date: November 10, 2014 05:30PM
The Internet is just a series of tubes.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
u7PDH
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Date: November 10, 2014 05:37PM
The butthurt here. Wrote:
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> We see it.
The written equivalent of gay porn gifs.
"I have no counter argument, so I'll just start with the insults."
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> We see it.
The written equivalent of gay porn gifs.
"I have no counter argument, so I'll just start with the insults."
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
WuMUP
()
Date: November 10, 2014 05:41PM
libs hate America. Wrote:
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> Why are libs so hateful and repulsed by everything
> American?
>
> Why do libs think everything should be free?
>
> Net neutraility is a stupid fucking thing to do,
> unless you're a socialist pig or an entitled lib
> that thinks he should not work, draw welfare and
> live on Park Avenue, NY, NY.
>
> You dumb fucks. Net neutraility is socialism and
> the USA is a free market society even as much as
> you libs hate that fact.
>
> These corporations like Comcast (who haven't
> created hundreds of thousands of jobs in the lib
> mind) have invested billions into internet
> infrastructure. It would suck otherwise and will
> suck big time like OBUMBLEFUCK CARE and everything
> else government touches if it were to be
> "neutral"
>
> Just leave the USA already libs.
>
> Americans won! We voted you commie pigs out!
>
> DEAL WITH IT!
Since when is internet access free?
I bet you'd love for certain sites to slow to a crawl and become unusable. The very thought of being able to supress other's opinions makes you salivate, doesn't it?
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> Why are libs so hateful and repulsed by everything
> American?
>
> Why do libs think everything should be free?
>
> Net neutraility is a stupid fucking thing to do,
> unless you're a socialist pig or an entitled lib
> that thinks he should not work, draw welfare and
> live on Park Avenue, NY, NY.
>
> You dumb fucks. Net neutraility is socialism and
> the USA is a free market society even as much as
> you libs hate that fact.
>
> These corporations like Comcast (who haven't
> created hundreds of thousands of jobs in the lib
> mind) have invested billions into internet
> infrastructure. It would suck otherwise and will
> suck big time like OBUMBLEFUCK CARE and everything
> else government touches if it were to be
> "neutral"
>
> Just leave the USA already libs.
>
> Americans won! We voted you commie pigs out!
>
> DEAL WITH IT!
Since when is internet access free?
I bet you'd love for certain sites to slow to a crawl and become unusable. The very thought of being able to supress other's opinions makes you salivate, doesn't it?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 10, 2014 05:46PM
What libs did to heal the insurance made it 75% more expensive, with less care and forced everybody to pay.
What libs would do to the internet is the same and the infrastructure would be like healthcare.org plus the added taxes would make it unaffordable (like Obumblefuckcare) and they will force EVERYBODY to pay for it!
FUCK YOU libs!
Oh, and for you lib welfare fucks. ISP's already offer inexpensive plans for you assholes that refuse to work.
What libs would do to the internet is the same and the infrastructure would be like healthcare.org plus the added taxes would make it unaffordable (like Obumblefuckcare) and they will force EVERYBODY to pay for it!
FUCK YOU libs!
Oh, and for you lib welfare fucks. ISP's already offer inexpensive plans for you assholes that refuse to work.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wMC6M
()
Date: November 10, 2014 06:02PM
libs hate America, what exactly do you think the libs want to do with "net neutrality"? Because not only are you not making any sense, but I'm beginning to think you have no idea what the debate is actually about it.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Well Hello, CARY, Yes Hello CARY
()
Date: November 10, 2014 06:41PM
This law is a Trojan Horse, that supposedly protects consumers, but is actually just an excuse for the federal government to take control of and regulate the internet in the same way they regulate radio and television.
The net neutrality vision for government regulation of the Internet began with the work of Robert McChesney, a University of Illinois communications professor who founded the liberal lobby Free Press in 2002.
Mr. McChesney's agenda?
"At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies," he told the website SocialistProject in 2009. "But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control."
A year earlier, Mr. McChesney wrote in the Marxist journal Monthly Review that "any serious effort to reform the media system would have to necessarily be part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist system itself."
Mr. McChesney told me in an interview that some of his comments have been "taken out of context."
He acknowledged that he is a socialist and said he was "hesitant to say I'm not a Marxist."
Source: http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703886904576031512110086694
Net Neutrality Means the Government Controls the Internet
Net neutrality is not about neutrality - it's about having the government control and monitor
what carriers are allowed to transmit, to whom, and at what rates with specific and
immediate benefits to bandwidth hogs like youtube and specific and immediate limitations
on premium services contracts like those Apple put in place with AT&T to give their iPhone
a performance advantage.
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
Net Neutrality Will Stifle Competition, and Thus Guarantee Higher Rates for Internet Service
When you're running a company with a few billion a year in revenues, spending a couple of million on regulatory
compliance is a triviality, but because it's likely to be a serious multiple of the first year's expected revenue
for a local start-up, that start-up is prevented.[/i]
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
Why Google Is Spending Millions to Pimp Net Neutrality
Put this stuff together and you have the reason the biggest companies in major
markets generally tend to favor heavy handed regulation - and therefore why
Google, among others, has spent tens of millions pushing for "net neutrality"
regulations in the United States.
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
The net neutrality vision for government regulation of the Internet began with the work of Robert McChesney, a University of Illinois communications professor who founded the liberal lobby Free Press in 2002.
Mr. McChesney's agenda?
"At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies," he told the website SocialistProject in 2009. "But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control."
A year earlier, Mr. McChesney wrote in the Marxist journal Monthly Review that "any serious effort to reform the media system would have to necessarily be part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist system itself."
Mr. McChesney told me in an interview that some of his comments have been "taken out of context."
He acknowledged that he is a socialist and said he was "hesitant to say I'm not a Marxist."
Source: http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703886904576031512110086694
Net Neutrality Means the Government Controls the Internet
Net neutrality is not about neutrality - it's about having the government control and monitor
what carriers are allowed to transmit, to whom, and at what rates with specific and
immediate benefits to bandwidth hogs like youtube and specific and immediate limitations
on premium services contracts like those Apple put in place with AT&T to give their iPhone
a performance advantage.
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
Net Neutrality Will Stifle Competition, and Thus Guarantee Higher Rates for Internet Service
When you're running a company with a few billion a year in revenues, spending a couple of million on regulatory
compliance is a triviality, but because it's likely to be a serious multiple of the first year's expected revenue
for a local start-up, that start-up is prevented.[/i]
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
Why Google Is Spending Millions to Pimp Net Neutrality
Put this stuff together and you have the reason the biggest companies in major
markets generally tend to favor heavy handed regulation - and therefore why
Google, among others, has spent tens of millions pushing for "net neutrality"
regulations in the United States.
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 10, 2014 06:42PM
wMC6M Wrote:
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> libs hate America, what exactly do you think the
> libs want to do with "net neutrality"? Because not
> only are you not making any sense, but I'm
> beginning to think you have no idea what the
> debate is actually about it.
Obama is a fuckimg faggot liar. That is a fact.
Obama is a terrorist. That is a fact.
If Obama says the Bears are going to win, they lose 55-14 and let Rogers set an all time record of 6 TD's in the first half. That is a fact.
If Obama says you can keep your insurance,you can't. That is a fact.
If I Obama says no more war, you can bet he'll triple the number of wars. That is a fact.
There is no debate.
You either love America or you are a lib.
FUCK YOU libs!
AMERICANS WON, DEAL WITH IT!
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> libs hate America, what exactly do you think the
> libs want to do with "net neutrality"? Because not
> only are you not making any sense, but I'm
> beginning to think you have no idea what the
> debate is actually about it.
Obama is a fuckimg faggot liar. That is a fact.
Obama is a terrorist. That is a fact.
If Obama says the Bears are going to win, they lose 55-14 and let Rogers set an all time record of 6 TD's in the first half. That is a fact.
If Obama says you can keep your insurance,you can't. That is a fact.
If I Obama says no more war, you can bet he'll triple the number of wars. That is a fact.
There is no debate.
You either love America or you are a lib.
FUCK YOU libs!
AMERICANS WON, DEAL WITH IT!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
pKe9t
()
Date: November 10, 2014 07:16PM
I can't believe that I'm reading anti-net neutrality garbage on FFXU. Net neutrality is treating all data, no matter source or carrier, the same i.e. not giving preferential or sub-standard treatment. Period, full stop. What Obama and pretty much every other sane internet user wants is just that. They want the internet to stay the same and not to be changed into a tiered nightmare as opposed to the open nightmare it is now. Goddamn, is everything a socialist conspiracy to you nutjobs?
And lib hates America pretty much just said he doesn't like the idea because Obama does. Which is why when Obama refers to America as "this great nation" he so vehemently disagrees.
And lib hates America pretty much just said he doesn't like the idea because Obama does. Which is why when Obama refers to America as "this great nation" he so vehemently disagrees.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Cruzed
()
Date: November 10, 2014 08:05PM
Ted Cruz gets bitch slapped all over the web-
Here a good one- http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality
Here a good one- http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
teref
()
Date: November 10, 2014 08:27PM
Once again "libs hate america" and the conservatives are talking out their asses.
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Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
HwwvX
()
Date: November 10, 2014 08:53PM
teref Wrote:
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> Once again "libs hate america" and the
> conservatives are talking out their asses.
How anyone other than shills for the telecom industry can get behind tiered internet is beyond me.
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> Once again "libs hate america" and the
> conservatives are talking out their asses.
How anyone other than shills for the telecom industry can get behind tiered internet is beyond me.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
cDCJv
()
Date: November 10, 2014 08:55PM
I don't buy this at all....
Libs only want to ban/mandate - they are never fighting for freedom...
Obama's failed miserably at everything - nothing he does is in the interest of Americans (ie his obsession with amnesty when Americans don't want it)
Why did Obama appoint a telecom lobbyist to FCC chair if he was so worried about 'neutrality'?
So ICANN is about to be shifted to some global entity and the FCC is taking over the ISP business?
We're about to get screwed again....bad
Libs only want to ban/mandate - they are never fighting for freedom...
Obama's failed miserably at everything - nothing he does is in the interest of Americans (ie his obsession with amnesty when Americans don't want it)
Why did Obama appoint a telecom lobbyist to FCC chair if he was so worried about 'neutrality'?
So ICANN is about to be shifted to some global entity and the FCC is taking over the ISP business?
We're about to get screwed again....bad
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 10, 2014 08:56PM
libs don't get it.
They hate America.
Get off your welfare asses and try succeeding. Unleash yourselves from liberal slavery.
EVERYTHING Obama says is a lie. He's the fucking presidnt you dumb fucking anti Americans voted for twice. He IS the voice of ALL democrats.
Liberal policies don't work on America and the votes prove it.
FUCK YOU libs!
AMERICANS WON!
DEAL WITH IT!
They hate America.
Get off your welfare asses and try succeeding. Unleash yourselves from liberal slavery.
EVERYTHING Obama says is a lie. He's the fucking presidnt you dumb fucking anti Americans voted for twice. He IS the voice of ALL democrats.
Liberal policies don't work on America and the votes prove it.
FUCK YOU libs!
AMERICANS WON!
DEAL WITH IT!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth Hurts
()
Date: November 10, 2014 09:01PM
Once again libs hates america is off on some tangent because he got slapped down with actual facts about the topic.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
P7mUH
()
Date: November 10, 2014 09:08PM
libs hate America. Wrote:
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> libs don't get it.
>
> They hate America.
>
> Get off your welfare asses and try succeeding.
> Unleash yourselves from liberal slavery.
>
> EVERYTHING Obama says is a lie. He's the fucking
> presidnt you dumb fucking anti Americans voted for
> twice. He IS the voice of ALL democrats.
>
> Liberal policies don't work on America and the
> votes prove it.
>
> FUCK YOU libs!
>
> AMERICANS WON!
>
> DEAL WITH IT!
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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> libs don't get it.
>
> They hate America.
>
> Get off your welfare asses and try succeeding.
> Unleash yourselves from liberal slavery.
>
> EVERYTHING Obama says is a lie. He's the fucking
> presidnt you dumb fucking anti Americans voted for
> twice. He IS the voice of ALL democrats.
>
> Liberal policies don't work on America and the
> votes prove it.
>
> FUCK YOU libs!
>
> AMERICANS WON!
>
> DEAL WITH IT!
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 10, 2014 10:06PM
Truth Hurts Wrote:
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> Once again libs hates america is off on some
> tangent because he got slapped down with actual
> facts about the topic.
Hahaha! Obamacare!
November 4th 2014!
Talk about facts!
You lost, Americans won!
Deal with it!
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> Once again libs hates america is off on some
> tangent because he got slapped down with actual
> facts about the topic.
Hahaha! Obamacare!
November 4th 2014!
Talk about facts!
You lost, Americans won!
Deal with it!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
An Analysis On libs hate America
()
Date: November 10, 2014 10:27PM
He probably thinks he's trolling us so good but this comic demonstrates what's really going on.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Erft
()
Date: November 10, 2014 10:31PM
It would be funny, but unfortunately I've met people in person who sound just like lib hates America and there not kidding.
Yes, these people\conservatives do exist.
Yes, these people\conservatives do exist.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 10, 2014 10:33PM
Typical lib posting banned cartoons by Obama to defend the liberal communist plan to govern a private, free market commodity and tax it to death to help eliminate the middle class.
lib = dumfuq
No, wait.....
lib = anti American used douche.
lib = dumfuq
No, wait.....
lib = anti American used douche.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 10, 2014 10:37PM
Erft Wrote:
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> It would be funny, but unfortunately I've met
> people in person who sound just like lib hates
> America and there not kidding.
>
> Yes, these people\conservatives do exist.
Yes, much to your lib dismay, a majority of people are still Americans and shoved that fact up your ass!
How's that senate looking?
Ha! Did you see Maryland? Fucking Maryland!
libs hate America and AMERICANS WON!
You lose!
GET FUCKING USED TO IT!
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> It would be funny, but unfortunately I've met
> people in person who sound just like lib hates
> America and there not kidding.
>
> Yes, these people\conservatives do exist.
Yes, much to your lib dismay, a majority of people are still Americans and shoved that fact up your ass!
How's that senate looking?
Ha! Did you see Maryland? Fucking Maryland!
libs hate America and AMERICANS WON!
You lose!
GET FUCKING USED TO IT!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
n9PFF
()
Date: November 10, 2014 11:22PM
libs hate America. Wrote:
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> Typical lib posting banned cartoons by Obama to
> defend the liberal communist plan to govern a
> private, free market commodity and tax it to death
> to help eliminate the middle class.
>
> lib = dumfuq
>
> No, wait.....
>
> lib = anti American used douche.
Looks like the majority of people want to keep the internet open.
You lose!
Get fucking used to it.
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> Typical lib posting banned cartoons by Obama to
> defend the liberal communist plan to govern a
> private, free market commodity and tax it to death
> to help eliminate the middle class.
>
> lib = dumfuq
>
> No, wait.....
>
> lib = anti American used douche.
Looks like the majority of people want to keep the internet open.
You lose!
Get fucking used to it.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
VpevK
()
Date: November 11, 2014 12:28AM
So I've seen some arguments made against Obama's net neutrality.....
haven't seen any defense of it apart from focused personal attacks on skeptics....
kind of reminds me of the 'climate change' debate
haven't seen any defense of it apart from focused personal attacks on skeptics....
kind of reminds me of the 'climate change' debate
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
fact of the matter
()
Date: November 11, 2014 12:50AM
OP loves his Netflix. Can't understand why it pauses every three seconds.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 07:58AM
Libs are easily fooled. They hear Obama say he wants net neutrality and they stop thinking.
Do Libiots really believe that having our government control and treat the internet as a public utility will work to keep the net neutral?
Poor dumb libiots with their cute little pictures! They think the problem is we don't understand what net neutrality is.
Well the government is in charge of the VA the IRS among other failed or overreaching agencies.
The government also told us the cost of healthcare would go down.
You can almost always piss on a libiot,tell him Obama says it is raining and he will believe it.
Do Libiots really believe that having our government control and treat the internet as a public utility will work to keep the net neutral?
Poor dumb libiots with their cute little pictures! They think the problem is we don't understand what net neutrality is.
Well the government is in charge of the VA the IRS among other failed or overreaching agencies.
The government also told us the cost of healthcare would go down.
You can almost always piss on a libiot,tell him Obama says it is raining and he will believe it.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Kj7CL
()
Date: November 11, 2014 07:59AM
VpevK Wrote:
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> So I've seen some arguments made against Obama's
> net neutrality.....
>
> haven't seen any defense of it apart from focused
> personal attacks on skeptics....
>
> kind of reminds me of the 'climate change' debate
You obviously haven't read entire thread. Arguments made for and against, attacks by both.
More selective reading by the conservatives on FFXU.
fact of the matter Wrote:
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> OP loves his Netflix. Can't understand why it
> pauses every three seconds.
I don't have that problem. That's because it's an issue on the user's end.
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> So I've seen some arguments made against Obama's
> net neutrality.....
>
> haven't seen any defense of it apart from focused
> personal attacks on skeptics....
>
> kind of reminds me of the 'climate change' debate
You obviously haven't read entire thread. Arguments made for and against, attacks by both.
More selective reading by the conservatives on FFXU.
fact of the matter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> OP loves his Netflix. Can't understand why it
> pauses every three seconds.
I don't have that problem. That's because it's an issue on the user's end.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:08AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI
Net neutrality brought to you courtesy of guys like this.
For the unaware,this guy was an architect of Obamacare
Net neutrality brought to you courtesy of guys like this.
For the unaware,this guy was an architect of Obamacare
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
ekGJD
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:16AM
wrongg Wrote:
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> Libs are easily fooled. They hear Obama say he
> wants net neutrality and they stop thinking.
Conservatives are quick to judge. They hear Obama say he wants net neutrality and the know they don't want it too.
> Do Libiots really believe that having our
> government control and treat the internet as a
> public utility will work to keep the net neutral?
The alternative, letting coporations retain control, won't. And control is bad descriptor, it's more like "keep things as they are".
> Poor dumb libiots with their cute little pictures!
> They think the problem is we don't understand what
> net neutrality is.
>
> Well the government is in charge of the VA the IRS
> among other failed or overreaching agencies.
>
> The government also told us the cost of healthcare
> would go down.
More "the government will be in charge, so I don't want it". Let's get rid of the DoD because the government is in charge. Everything the government is in charge of is bad.
> You can almost always piss on a libiot,tell him
> Obama says it is raining and he will believe it.
And you can get a contard to be your shill if you just tell them Obama is for it and the government will "be in charge".
-------------------------------------------------------
> Libs are easily fooled. They hear Obama say he
> wants net neutrality and they stop thinking.
Conservatives are quick to judge. They hear Obama say he wants net neutrality and the know they don't want it too.
> Do Libiots really believe that having our
> government control and treat the internet as a
> public utility will work to keep the net neutral?
The alternative, letting coporations retain control, won't. And control is bad descriptor, it's more like "keep things as they are".
> Poor dumb libiots with their cute little pictures!
> They think the problem is we don't understand what
> net neutrality is.
>
> Well the government is in charge of the VA the IRS
> among other failed or overreaching agencies.
>
> The government also told us the cost of healthcare
> would go down.
More "the government will be in charge, so I don't want it". Let's get rid of the DoD because the government is in charge. Everything the government is in charge of is bad.
> You can almost always piss on a libiot,tell him
> Obama says it is raining and he will believe it.
And you can get a contard to be your shill if you just tell them Obama is for it and the government will "be in charge".
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:25AM
Fuck Republicans they dont matter.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:27AM
See link above you two dipshits.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:32AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Fuck Republicans they dont matter.
Just the kind of attitude that will keep you losi g elections! Keep up the great work!
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> Fuck Republicans they dont matter.
Just the kind of attitude that will keep you losi g elections! Keep up the great work!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:34AM
Yeah old man but I'll be alive when you're dead also. How does that feel?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
9xK43
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:36AM
I love it. Cables companies are owned by big Hollywood, which are mega-contributors to democrats, especially Obama. Comcast has donated millions to his two campaigns. Now our clueless el presidente is fucking them over, just like he's fucked over everyone and everything else in this country. Karma, she is a bitch.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
uu3wE
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:39AM
wrongg Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fuck Republicans they dont matter.
>
>
> Just the kind of attitude that will keep you losi
> g elections! Keep up the great work!
wrongg, we've gone over this before (seriously). Stop responding to his lame ass and treat him as the irrelevant retard that he is. You say you'll stop, but he always lures you back. He's a fool and you become a fool when you play with him. Just say No.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fuck Republicans they dont matter.
>
>
> Just the kind of attitude that will keep you losi
> g elections! Keep up the great work!
wrongg, we've gone over this before (seriously). Stop responding to his lame ass and treat him as the irrelevant retard that he is. You say you'll stop, but he always lures you back. He's a fool and you become a fool when you play with him. Just say No.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:39AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Yeah old man but I'll be alive when you're dead
> also. How does that feel?
Highly doubtful. Natural selection (science) will waste your dumb ass.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah old man but I'll be alive when you're dead
> also. How does that feel?
Highly doubtful. Natural selection (science) will waste your dumb ass.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
4XYcd
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:43AM
wrongg Wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI
>
> Net neutrality brought to you courtesy of guys
> like this.
>
> For the unaware,this guy was an architect of
> Obamacare
Why do you keep bringing up Obamacare? Obamacare brought change, net neutrality will keep things as it is.
-------------------------------------------------------
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI
>
> Net neutrality brought to you courtesy of guys
> like this.
>
> For the unaware,this guy was an architect of
> Obamacare
Why do you keep bringing up Obamacare? Obamacare brought change, net neutrality will keep things as it is.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:44AM
uu3wE Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Fuck Republicans they dont matter.
> >
> >
> > Just the kind of attitude that will keep you
> losi
> > g elections! Keep up the great work!
>
>
> wrongg, we've gone over this before (seriously).
> Stop responding to his lame ass and treat him as
> the irrelevant retard that he is. You say you'll
> stop, but he always lures you back. He's a fool
> and you become a fool when you play with him.
> Just say No.
What am I gonna do? The authoritarian crusading extremist senior citizens are going to ignore me on FFXU. Please, how else am I going to find out about the latest merchandise at the Salvation Army. Dont do it!
-------------------------------------------------------
> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Fuck Republicans they dont matter.
> >
> >
> > Just the kind of attitude that will keep you
> losi
> > g elections! Keep up the great work!
>
>
> wrongg, we've gone over this before (seriously).
> Stop responding to his lame ass and treat him as
> the irrelevant retard that he is. You say you'll
> stop, but he always lures you back. He's a fool
> and you become a fool when you play with him.
> Just say No.
What am I gonna do? The authoritarian crusading extremist senior citizens are going to ignore me on FFXU. Please, how else am I going to find out about the latest merchandise at the Salvation Army. Dont do it!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
pMPGv
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:45AM
wrongg Wrote:
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> Highly doubtful. Natural selection (science) will
> waste your dumb ass.
I thought you cons didn't believe in science. What with it being run by evil, liberal scientists funded by the trillions of dollars-a-year green industry.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Highly doubtful. Natural selection (science) will
> waste your dumb ass.
I thought you cons didn't believe in science. What with it being run by evil, liberal scientists funded by the trillions of dollars-a-year green industry.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:46AM
Only a dumb ass Republican would compare Net Neutrality to a health care law.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Md4Xx
()
Date: November 11, 2014 08:56AM
4XYcd Wrote:
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> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI
> >
> > Net neutrality brought to you courtesy of guys
> > like this.
> >
> > For the unaware,this guy was an architect of
> > Obamacare
>
> Why do you keep bringing up Obamacare? Obamacare
> brought change, net neutrality will keep things as
> it is.
Obamacare brought about shitty change. Turning the Internet over to a government agency is also change (not, as you spewed, keeping it the same). And almost certainly, another shitty change. Only stupid facists think government control over things like health care and information sharing is a good thing. Facists come from both parties, but the democrat facists are like the ones leaders like Hilter, Mao, Stalin, putin and Obama use. The republicn facists are the ones that get rich off it all.
-------------------------------------------------------
> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI
> >
> > Net neutrality brought to you courtesy of guys
> > like this.
> >
> > For the unaware,this guy was an architect of
> > Obamacare
>
> Why do you keep bringing up Obamacare? Obamacare
> brought change, net neutrality will keep things as
> it is.
Obamacare brought about shitty change. Turning the Internet over to a government agency is also change (not, as you spewed, keeping it the same). And almost certainly, another shitty change. Only stupid facists think government control over things like health care and information sharing is a good thing. Facists come from both parties, but the democrat facists are like the ones leaders like Hilter, Mao, Stalin, putin and Obama use. The republicn facists are the ones that get rich off it all.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
hpy6p
()
Date: November 11, 2014 09:11AM
Md4Xx Wrote:
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> Obamacare brought about shitty change. Turning
> the Internet over to a government agency is also
> change (not, as you spewed, keeping it the same).
> And almost certainly, another shitty change.
It's change to keep it the same, or keep it the same to have it changed. Either change ownership or allow ISPs to block/suppress data as they please.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Obamacare brought about shitty change. Turning
> the Internet over to a government agency is also
> change (not, as you spewed, keeping it the same).
> And almost certainly, another shitty change.
It's change to keep it the same, or keep it the same to have it changed. Either change ownership or allow ISPs to block/suppress data as they please.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
WkLNG
()
Date: November 11, 2014 09:16AM
hpy6p Wrote:
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> It's change to keep it the same, or keep it the
> same to have it changed. Either change ownership
> or allow ISPs to block/suppress data as they
> please.
Why we can't just pass a law requiring ISP's to treat all data equally is beyond me.
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> It's change to keep it the same, or keep it the
> same to have it changed. Either change ownership
> or allow ISPs to block/suppress data as they
> please.
Why we can't just pass a law requiring ISP's to treat all data equally is beyond me.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
he's retarded
()
Date: November 11, 2014 09:21AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Yeah old man but I'll be alive when you're dead
> also. How does that feel?
wrongg is a dumbass hick and teabagger redneck
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah old man but I'll be alive when you're dead
> also. How does that feel?
wrongg is a dumbass hick and teabagger redneck
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
C3pNP
()
Date: November 11, 2014 09:26AM
Liberals never want to let the free markets work it out. They demand government intervention in every fucking aspect of their miserable lives if it causes over 1 second of any kind of discomfort. No one is going to die if Internet companies throttle data to private citizens on a service they are buying from the Internet companies. The true solution for this is to break up the monopolies that local and state governments have created and let every ISP compete in every area of the county. This will create better service that is cheaper. But it will take a few years to realize the benefits and you sorry-ass faggots can't wait two minutes for your microwave pizza to cook without breaking into a sweat.
American, from land of the free to land of the faggots in 10 short years.
American, from land of the free to land of the faggots in 10 short years.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Because a Democrat is president?
()
Date: November 11, 2014 09:26AM
Just a few years ago all of the internet lobbying groups (such as the EFF) and all the tech geeks were 100% deadset AGAINST net neutrality laws.
Now it appears they've done a complete 180 and are FOR it. Can somebody explain what changed?
TIA.
Now it appears they've done a complete 180 and are FOR it. Can somebody explain what changed?
TIA.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
2cents..
()
Date: November 11, 2014 10:42AM
I think there is more going on than the general public is aware of...perhaps corporate bickering going on behind the scenes...
There are so many bigger problems that needs addressing - why is net neutrality front and center now??
I highly doubt this is just an effort to keep the internet 'neutral' - watch us get screwed....we always do...
There are so many bigger problems that needs addressing - why is net neutrality front and center now??
I highly doubt this is just an effort to keep the internet 'neutral' - watch us get screwed....we always do...
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
The Yellow Teddybears
()
Date: November 11, 2014 01:11PM
WkLNG Wrote:
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> Why we can't just pass a law requiring ISP's to
> treat all data equally is beyond me.
Congestion is and always will be a problem with the internet, just as with any other network.
Whether you are talking about railway networks, electrical networks, traditional
telephone networks, or the network of roads that runs through your neighborhood,
engineers somewhere are aware of the usage patterns and are constantly attempting
to maximize load and capacity in the most efficient and cost-effective way possible.
Prioritization of network traffic is not an aberration but a central feature of
the internet designed into the network since its inception.
In 1987, when a spike in traffic driven by the advent of personal computers
caused congestion on an early version of the internet, system operators
reprogrammed routers to give traffic from the network’s original dedicated user
terminals higher priority than PC traffic until additional bandwidth could be created.
In 2014, the congestion problem arises from massive traffic growth in data-rich
video content.
The issue, then, is how to handle video-induced traffic growth in a world where
(i) the internet does not have infinite capacity, and (ii) providing greater
bandwidth requires huge capital investment, eg, Verizon’s multi-billion dollar
FiOS network.
Put another way, the issue is whether to permit smaller networks, with less
capital and less infrastructure, to maximize load and capacity in the most
efficient and cost-effective way possible, or to force all networks to spend
billions to increase their bandwidth.
EXAMPLE 1: Wireless broadband service provided by Amtrak to passengers on its
Acela trains limits file downloads to 10 MB and blocks access to streaming media.
Why?
Amtrak wants to maximize the amount of onboard bandwidth available to *all*
passengers, rather than allow a *small* group of users to consume all of the
available bandwidth to the detriment of everyone else.
EXAMPLE 2: AT&T, with less bandwidth than cable companies or Verizon’s
$23 billion fiber-optic FiOS network, reserves bandwidth for its own video offerings
and gives its video traffic priority over other traffic.
Why?
These practices allow AT&T to avoid spending the additional $17-$23 billion that
it would cost to deploy fiber-based solutions like FiOS.
Today, if you don't like AT&T's approach, you can do business with another company.
On the other hand...
What is the "Net Neutrality" solution to internet congestion?
The net neutrality "solution" would be FCC-imposed regulations that would *force*
AT&T to spend that $17-$23 billion, or go out of business.
The net neutrality solution will put smaller network providers out of business,
and leave the field in the hands of a few "giants."
After the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly on telephone service (a monopoly which,
btw, was sanctioned and protected by the FCC), the telecommunications revolution
roared to life. For the vast majority of consumers, the breakup of the Ma Bell
monopoly was a very good thing.
The effect of net neutrality, however, would be like REVERSING the breakup of Ma Bell.
The multiple players currently allowed to exist in a non-regulated environment
(i.e., AT&T and FiOS), will become a thing of the past.
For sixty years, the FCC not only stifled, but effectively banned competition as it
nurtured a Bell telephone monopoly -- stifling the growth of telecommunications
for years (eg, cell phones and other complements or alternatives to traditional
landline services).
Pass net neutrality, and say hello to the bad old days of FCC over-regulation and
control, not to mention the inevitability of the FCC becoming the federal censor
of the internet.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why we can't just pass a law requiring ISP's to
> treat all data equally is beyond me.
Congestion is and always will be a problem with the internet, just as with any other network.
Whether you are talking about railway networks, electrical networks, traditional
telephone networks, or the network of roads that runs through your neighborhood,
engineers somewhere are aware of the usage patterns and are constantly attempting
to maximize load and capacity in the most efficient and cost-effective way possible.
Prioritization of network traffic is not an aberration but a central feature of
the internet designed into the network since its inception.
In 1987, when a spike in traffic driven by the advent of personal computers
caused congestion on an early version of the internet, system operators
reprogrammed routers to give traffic from the network’s original dedicated user
terminals higher priority than PC traffic until additional bandwidth could be created.
In 2014, the congestion problem arises from massive traffic growth in data-rich
video content.
The issue, then, is how to handle video-induced traffic growth in a world where
(i) the internet does not have infinite capacity, and (ii) providing greater
bandwidth requires huge capital investment, eg, Verizon’s multi-billion dollar
FiOS network.
Put another way, the issue is whether to permit smaller networks, with less
capital and less infrastructure, to maximize load and capacity in the most
efficient and cost-effective way possible, or to force all networks to spend
billions to increase their bandwidth.
EXAMPLE 1: Wireless broadband service provided by Amtrak to passengers on its
Acela trains limits file downloads to 10 MB and blocks access to streaming media.
Why?
Amtrak wants to maximize the amount of onboard bandwidth available to *all*
passengers, rather than allow a *small* group of users to consume all of the
available bandwidth to the detriment of everyone else.
EXAMPLE 2: AT&T, with less bandwidth than cable companies or Verizon’s
$23 billion fiber-optic FiOS network, reserves bandwidth for its own video offerings
and gives its video traffic priority over other traffic.
Why?
These practices allow AT&T to avoid spending the additional $17-$23 billion that
it would cost to deploy fiber-based solutions like FiOS.
Today, if you don't like AT&T's approach, you can do business with another company.
On the other hand...
What is the "Net Neutrality" solution to internet congestion?
The net neutrality "solution" would be FCC-imposed regulations that would *force*
AT&T to spend that $17-$23 billion, or go out of business.
The net neutrality solution will put smaller network providers out of business,
and leave the field in the hands of a few "giants."
After the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly on telephone service (a monopoly which,
btw, was sanctioned and protected by the FCC), the telecommunications revolution
roared to life. For the vast majority of consumers, the breakup of the Ma Bell
monopoly was a very good thing.
The effect of net neutrality, however, would be like REVERSING the breakup of Ma Bell.
The multiple players currently allowed to exist in a non-regulated environment
(i.e., AT&T and FiOS), will become a thing of the past.
For sixty years, the FCC not only stifled, but effectively banned competition as it
nurtured a Bell telephone monopoly -- stifling the growth of telecommunications
for years (eg, cell phones and other complements or alternatives to traditional
landline services).
Pass net neutrality, and say hello to the bad old days of FCC over-regulation and
control, not to mention the inevitability of the FCC becoming the federal censor
of the internet.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 01:57PM
he's retarded Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah old man but I'll be alive when you're dead
> > also. How does that feel?
>
>
> wrongg is a dumbass hick and teabagger redneck
So your mom told you I was over again.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah old man but I'll be alive when you're dead
> > also. How does that feel?
>
>
> wrongg is a dumbass hick and teabagger redneck
So your mom told you I was over again.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:24PM
WkLNG Wrote:
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> hpy6p Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's change to keep it the same, or keep it the
> > same to have it changed. Either change
> ownership
> > or allow ISPs to block/suppress data as they
> > please.
>
> Why we can't just pass a law requiring ISP's to
> treat all data equally is beyond me.
Damn, you're almost as stupid as Mark Webster.
-------------------------------------------------------
> hpy6p Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's change to keep it the same, or keep it the
> > same to have it changed. Either change
> ownership
> > or allow ISPs to block/suppress data as they
> > please.
>
> Why we can't just pass a law requiring ISP's to
> treat all data equally is beyond me.
Damn, you're almost as stupid as Mark Webster.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:27PM
The Yellow Teddybears Wrote:
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> Whether you are talking about railway networks,
> electrical networks, traditional
> telephone networks, or the network of roads that
> runs through your neighborhood,
> engineers somewhere are aware of the usage
> patterns and are constantly attempting
> to maximize load and capacity in the most
> efficient and cost-effective way possible.
Gee whiz, that just sounds so...sensible. That is, until you think about it for a minute or two.
Let's take the 'network of roads that runs through your neighborhood' example.
What a concept like net neutrality would do for a road network is ensure that all drivers have equal access to the available roads. Without a net neutrality-like concept, the neighborhood roads become tolled. Drivers who can (and are willing to) pay more get preferred access. Those who can't (or won't) are fucked. Say that whomever controls the roads doesn't like the Denton family over on Spruce Court. Tough titty for the Dentons, because they have no 'right' to use the roads and so they're screwed.
The opponents of net neutrality are greedy corporation and their sycophantic lap dogs.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whether you are talking about railway networks,
> electrical networks, traditional
> telephone networks, or the network of roads that
> runs through your neighborhood,
> engineers somewhere are aware of the usage
> patterns and are constantly attempting
> to maximize load and capacity in the most
> efficient and cost-effective way possible.
Gee whiz, that just sounds so...sensible. That is, until you think about it for a minute or two.
Let's take the 'network of roads that runs through your neighborhood' example.
What a concept like net neutrality would do for a road network is ensure that all drivers have equal access to the available roads. Without a net neutrality-like concept, the neighborhood roads become tolled. Drivers who can (and are willing to) pay more get preferred access. Those who can't (or won't) are fucked. Say that whomever controls the roads doesn't like the Denton family over on Spruce Court. Tough titty for the Dentons, because they have no 'right' to use the roads and so they're screwed.
The opponents of net neutrality are greedy corporation and their sycophantic lap dogs.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:32PM
Truth b told what do public roads have to do with your internet provider?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2014 02:38PM by wrongg.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2014 02:38PM by wrongg.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:47PM
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
>
> The opponents of net neutrality are greedy
> corporation and their sycophantic lap dogs.
Like my name says, libs hate America. That's a fact Jack!
>
> The opponents of net neutrality are greedy
> corporation and their sycophantic lap dogs.
Like my name says, libs hate America. That's a fact Jack!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:49PM
wrongg Wrote:
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> Truth b told what do public roads have to do with
> your internet provider?
Reading is fundamental, my friend.
First, read the quote I took from The Yellow Teddybears post.
Then, read my post.
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> Truth b told what do public roads have to do with
> your internet provider?
Reading is fundamental, my friend.
First, read the quote I took from The Yellow Teddybears post.
Then, read my post.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:51PM
libs hate America. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Like my name says, libs hate America.
Not a liberal, jack. Just a defender of freedom.
Why you hate freedom?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Like my name says, libs hate America.
Not a liberal, jack. Just a defender of freedom.
Why you hate freedom?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
libs hate America.
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:54PM
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> libs hate America. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Like my name says, libs hate America.
>
> Not a liberal, jack. Just a defender of freedom.
>
> Why you hate freedom?
Government control is NOT freedom you dumfuq lib.
How's that Obumblefuck care working for ya'?
-------------------------------------------------------
> libs hate America. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Like my name says, libs hate America.
>
> Not a liberal, jack. Just a defender of freedom.
>
> Why you hate freedom?
Government control is NOT freedom you dumfuq lib.
How's that Obumblefuck care working for ya'?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 02:56PM
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Truth b told what do public roads have to do
> with
> > your internet provider?
>
> Reading is fundamental, my friend.
>
> First, read the quote I took from The Yellow
> Teddybears post.
>
> Then, read my post.
Perhaps you need some reading help. I am speaking to your analogy of the internet to public roads, you know the one with the Dentons.
Perhaps you can provide a better example that doesn't contrast public roads paid for and maintained by taxpayer funds and the internet.
Which is not. Perhaps what you mean to say is you believe the government should strip control and ownership of the various parts that make up the internet like some banana republic dictator nationalizes private companies.
Then lets call it net neutrality to make everyone feel good about it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2014 02:59PM by wrongg.
-------------------------------------------------------
> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Truth b told what do public roads have to do
> with
> > your internet provider?
>
> Reading is fundamental, my friend.
>
> First, read the quote I took from The Yellow
> Teddybears post.
>
> Then, read my post.
Perhaps you need some reading help. I am speaking to your analogy of the internet to public roads, you know the one with the Dentons.
Perhaps you can provide a better example that doesn't contrast public roads paid for and maintained by taxpayer funds and the internet.
Which is not. Perhaps what you mean to say is you believe the government should strip control and ownership of the various parts that make up the internet like some banana republic dictator nationalizes private companies.
Then lets call it net neutrality to make everyone feel good about it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2014 02:59PM by wrongg.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told
()
Date: November 11, 2014 03:30PM
wrongg Wrote:
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> Perhaps you can provide a better example that
> doesn't contrast public roads paid for and
> maintained by taxpayer funds and the internet.
>
> Which is not.
I see. Whom do you think 'owns' the internet? I mean specifically: Company name(s), % of ownership, etc.
This ought to be good!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Perhaps you can provide a better example that
> doesn't contrast public roads paid for and
> maintained by taxpayer funds and the internet.
>
> Which is not.
I see. Whom do you think 'owns' the internet? I mean specifically: Company name(s), % of ownership, etc.
This ought to be good!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 03:34PM
strip control and ownership of the various parts that make up the internet like some banana republic dictator nationalizes private companies.
You really can't read.
You really can't read.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told
()
Date: November 11, 2014 03:43PM
wrongg Wrote:
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> strip control and ownership of the various parts
> that make up the internet like some banana
> republic dictator nationalizes private companies.
What does that mean?
Strip control of what from whom?
Really, what are you talking about?
-------------------------------------------------------
> strip control and ownership of the various parts
> that make up the internet like some banana
> republic dictator nationalizes private companies.
What does that mean?
Strip control of what from whom?
Really, what are you talking about?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Local__Yokel
()
Date: November 11, 2014 03:46PM
The Internet's Owners
So who actually owns the Internet? There are two answers to this question:
1.Nobody
2.Lots of people
If you think of the Internet as a unified, single entity, then no one owns it. There are organizations that determine the Internet's structure and how it works, but they don't have any ownership over the Internet itself. No government can lay claim to owning the Internet, nor can any company. The Internet is like the telephone system -- no one owns the whole thing.
From another point of view, thousands of people and organizations own the Internet. The Internet consists of lots of different bits and pieces, each of which has an owner. Some of these owners can control the quality and level of access you have to the Internet. They might not own the entire system, but they can impact your Internet experience.
That's why we need net neutrality.
So who actually owns the Internet? There are two answers to this question:
1.Nobody
2.Lots of people
If you think of the Internet as a unified, single entity, then no one owns it. There are organizations that determine the Internet's structure and how it works, but they don't have any ownership over the Internet itself. No government can lay claim to owning the Internet, nor can any company. The Internet is like the telephone system -- no one owns the whole thing.
From another point of view, thousands of people and organizations own the Internet. The Internet consists of lots of different bits and pieces, each of which has an owner. Some of these owners can control the quality and level of access you have to the Internet. They might not own the entire system, but they can impact your Internet experience.
That's why we need net neutrality.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 03:56PM
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > strip control and ownership of the various
> parts
> > that make up the internet like some banana
> > republic dictator nationalizes private
> companies.
>
> What does that mean?
>
> Strip control of what from whom?
>
> Really, what are you talking about?
Are you really this stupid or is this just an act? Do you not understand that much of what makes up the internet are privately owned hardware and software systems?
See the explanation above as well,although I would add without any of the privately held bits and pieces, there would be nothing but a set of protocols.
-------------------------------------------------------
> wrongg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > strip control and ownership of the various
> parts
> > that make up the internet like some banana
> > republic dictator nationalizes private
> companies.
>
> What does that mean?
>
> Strip control of what from whom?
>
> Really, what are you talking about?
Are you really this stupid or is this just an act? Do you not understand that much of what makes up the internet are privately owned hardware and software systems?
See the explanation above as well,although I would add without any of the privately held bits and pieces, there would be nothing but a set of protocols.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told.
()
Date: November 11, 2014 04:14PM
wrongg Wrote:
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> Do you not understand that much of what makes up
> the internet are privately owned hardware and
> software systems?
Yes. Just like our electric power grid, regulation of which ensures our economic prosperity. The same is true of the intranet.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Do you not understand that much of what makes up
> the internet are privately owned hardware and
> software systems?
Yes. Just like our electric power grid, regulation of which ensures our economic prosperity. The same is true of the intranet.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
The Yellow Teddybears
()
Date: November 11, 2014 05:14PM
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let's take the 'network of roads that runs through
> your neighborhood' example.
>
> What a concept like net neutrality would do for a
> road network is ensure that all drivers have equal
> access to the available roads. Without a net
> neutrality-like concept, the neighborhood roads
> become tolled. Drivers who can (and are willing
> to) pay more get preferred access. Those who
> can't (or won't) are fucked.
Wrong.
Internet access is not free. Absent the imposition of net neutrality, internet access costs will stay as they are -- with no separate toll for "neighborhood roads," and a *possible* toll for "superhighway access," depending on your service provider.
On the other hand, if net neutrality *IS* imposed, it will:
1) Impose a toll on *all* "roads" (both "neighborhood" and "superhighway") that will pay for the increased cost of doing business and/or the tax that will arise from net neutrality regulations.
2) Diminish competition among networks by forcing out the smaller providers who can't afford to comply with the increased bandwidth requirements that net neutrality will require.
a) Less competition will mean higher costs for consumers.
b) Less competition will mean less innovation.
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
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> The opponents of net neutrality are greedy corporation and their sycophantic
> lap dogs.
Utter bullshit.
In fact, the PROPONENTS of net neutrality are monster corporations like Google who want to solidify their control of the market by discouraging new start-ups:
When you're running a company with a few billion a year in revenues, spending a
couple of million on regulatory compliance is a triviality, but because it's likely
to be a serious multiple of the first year's expected revenue for a local start-up,
that start-up is prevented.
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
Imposing more regs simply ensures that the big boys with the lawyers remain entrenched since they will be the only ones with enough cash to game the system of new regulations.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let's take the 'network of roads that runs through
> your neighborhood' example.
>
> What a concept like net neutrality would do for a
> road network is ensure that all drivers have equal
> access to the available roads. Without a net
> neutrality-like concept, the neighborhood roads
> become tolled. Drivers who can (and are willing
> to) pay more get preferred access. Those who
> can't (or won't) are fucked.
Wrong.
Internet access is not free. Absent the imposition of net neutrality, internet access costs will stay as they are -- with no separate toll for "neighborhood roads," and a *possible* toll for "superhighway access," depending on your service provider.
On the other hand, if net neutrality *IS* imposed, it will:
1) Impose a toll on *all* "roads" (both "neighborhood" and "superhighway") that will pay for the increased cost of doing business and/or the tax that will arise from net neutrality regulations.
2) Diminish competition among networks by forcing out the smaller providers who can't afford to comply with the increased bandwidth requirements that net neutrality will require.
a) Less competition will mean higher costs for consumers.
b) Less competition will mean less innovation.
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The opponents of net neutrality are greedy corporation and their sycophantic
> lap dogs.
Utter bullshit.
In fact, the PROPONENTS of net neutrality are monster corporations like Google who want to solidify their control of the market by discouraging new start-ups:
When you're running a company with a few billion a year in revenues, spending a
couple of million on regulatory compliance is a triviality, but because it's likely
to be a serious multiple of the first year's expected revenue for a local start-up,
that start-up is prevented.
Source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-net-neutralitys-not-neutral-at-all/1806
Imposing more regs simply ensures that the big boys with the lawyers remain entrenched since they will be the only ones with enough cash to game the system of new regulations.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
()
Date: November 11, 2014 06:05PM
Wait what? Truth be said we will have the internet running like a power compay/utility. Can you imagine all the choices that will deliver?
A day doesn't go by that I don't hear from some upstart power company looking to lower my cost and improve my service. And some of the new innovation from these power companies. Awesome!
I also want my ISP to bill me like the power companies,with all those taxes laid out on top of everything.
Chances are Truth b told has never seen a utility bill.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2014 06:40PM by wrongg.
A day doesn't go by that I don't hear from some upstart power company looking to lower my cost and improve my service. And some of the new innovation from these power companies. Awesome!
I also want my ISP to bill me like the power companies,with all those taxes laid out on top of everything.
Chances are Truth b told has never seen a utility bill.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2014 06:40PM by wrongg.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Redwing
()
Date: November 12, 2014 09:33AM
I'm so sick of conservatives "doing the opposite of Obama" because they don't like a black guy in the White House.
Whatever happened to making the US a great place.
Net Neutrality is the basis for the internet!
It would be like dividing up all the roads in the US and giving them to different companies to charge fees. BAD IDEA!
Whatever happened to making the US a great place.
Net Neutrality is the basis for the internet!
It would be like dividing up all the roads in the US and giving them to different companies to charge fees. BAD IDEA!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Redwing = Dem VA Gov then
()
Date: November 12, 2014 09:59AM
oh, wait, you were for the HOT lanes.
Heh.
Heh.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Honest_Joe
()
Date: November 12, 2014 10:42AM
libs hate America. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How's that [Obamacare] working for ya'?
Great!
My premiums are WAY down and my coverage is WAY better!
Obamacare is a HUGE boon for me!
-------------------------------------------------------
> How's that [Obamacare] working for ya'?
Great!
My premiums are WAY down and my coverage is WAY better!
Obamacare is a HUGE boon for me!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Dr. Oz hates Obamacare
()
Date: November 12, 2014 10:46AM
Honest_Joe Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> libs hate America. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How's that [Obamacare] working for ya'?
>
> Great!
>
> My premiums are WAY down and my coverage is WAY
> better!
>
> Obamacare is a HUGE boon for me!
You must be part of the Free Shit Army. Anyone who had a real plan and lost it is worse off. Anyone who was a moocher is better off.
-------------------------------------------------------
> libs hate America. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How's that [Obamacare] working for ya'?
>
> Great!
>
> My premiums are WAY down and my coverage is WAY
> better!
>
> Obamacare is a HUGE boon for me!
You must be part of the Free Shit Army. Anyone who had a real plan and lost it is worse off. Anyone who was a moocher is better off.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told
()
Date: November 12, 2014 10:59AM
Dr. Oz hates Obamacare Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You must be part of the Free Shit Army. Anyone who
> had a real plan and lost it is worse off. Anyone
> who was a moocher is better off.
Nope. Self-employed, spouse self-employed, child with a serious medical issue.
Old premium - $26,000/yr. Old deductible - $5,500.
Obamacare premium - $14,000/yr. Obamacare deductible - $3,500.
Obamacare definitely WORKS FOR ME!
-------------------------------------------------------
> You must be part of the Free Shit Army. Anyone who
> had a real plan and lost it is worse off. Anyone
> who was a moocher is better off.
Nope. Self-employed, spouse self-employed, child with a serious medical issue.
Old premium - $26,000/yr. Old deductible - $5,500.
Obamacare premium - $14,000/yr. Obamacare deductible - $3,500.
Obamacare definitely WORKS FOR ME!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth b full of $hit...
()
Date: November 12, 2014 11:08AM
Still.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Truth_B_Told
()
Date: November 12, 2014 11:36AM
Truth b full of $hit... Wrote:
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> Still.
lol.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Still.
lol.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: November 12, 2014 02:07PM
Truth_B_Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Oz hates Obamacare Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You must be part of the Free Shit Army. Anyone
> who
> > had a real plan and lost it is worse off.
> Anyone
> > who was a moocher is better off.
>
> Nope. Self-employed, spouse self-employed, child
> with a serious medical issue.
>
> Old premium - $26,000/yr. Old deductible -
> $5,500.
>
> Obamacare premium - $14,000/yr. Obamacare
> deductible - $3,500.
>
> Obamacare definitely WORKS FOR ME!
Don't worry, these goobers don't have solutions just destruction and economic oppression. They don't have the political position to be able to harm your coverage.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Oz hates Obamacare Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You must be part of the Free Shit Army. Anyone
> who
> > had a real plan and lost it is worse off.
> Anyone
> > who was a moocher is better off.
>
> Nope. Self-employed, spouse self-employed, child
> with a serious medical issue.
>
> Old premium - $26,000/yr. Old deductible -
> $5,500.
>
> Obamacare premium - $14,000/yr. Obamacare
> deductible - $3,500.
>
> Obamacare definitely WORKS FOR ME!
Don't worry, these goobers don't have solutions just destruction and economic oppression. They don't have the political position to be able to harm your coverage.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
G2 still mad. Why?
()
Date: November 12, 2014 02:53PM
U so mad, bro.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
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Date: November 12, 2014 04:33PM
G2 still mad. Why? Wrote:
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> U so mad, bro.
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> U so mad, bro.
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Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
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True The Vote !
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Date: November 12, 2014 04:45PM
Goobermanderer2 is like that Bozo Clown that after you punched it, it bounces back and you hit it again, kinda like Gerry
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Conserva-tards!
()
Date: November 13, 2014 10:48AM
Ted Cruz is Back Wrote:
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> Obama specifically said the
> government would NOT be in charge of pricing: "I
> believe the FCC should reclassify consumer
> broadband service under Title II of the
> Telecommunications Act — while at the same time
> forbearing from rate regulation and other
> provisions less relevant to broadband services."
> Emphasis mine. Government will not rate regulate
> and saying so is lying.
But...but... How else can conserva-tards compete, other than lying?
> And he's conflating a hatred with anything Obama
> stands for with a hatred for this particular
> stance, which is a rational and potentially
> bipartisan solution to a problem that affects
> everyone across the aisle (or at least everyone
> across the aisle without ties to the ISPs).
Well, of course. Hatred of President Obama is the lens through which these conserva-tard miscreants view the world. They're scum.
Conserva-tards!
LoLz!
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> Obama specifically said the
> government would NOT be in charge of pricing: "I
> believe the FCC should reclassify consumer
> broadband service under Title II of the
> Telecommunications Act — while at the same time
> forbearing from rate regulation and other
> provisions less relevant to broadband services."
> Emphasis mine. Government will not rate regulate
> and saying so is lying.
But...but... How else can conserva-tards compete, other than lying?
> And he's conflating a hatred with anything Obama
> stands for with a hatred for this particular
> stance, which is a rational and potentially
> bipartisan solution to a problem that affects
> everyone across the aisle (or at least everyone
> across the aisle without ties to the ISPs).
Well, of course. Hatred of President Obama is the lens through which these conserva-tard miscreants view the world. They're scum.
Conserva-tards!
LoLz!
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
tardz = butthurt
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Date: November 13, 2014 01:19PM
Why so mad?
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Cruzed
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Date: November 13, 2014 03:21PM
Obama could be handing out gold profits and Ted Cruz would be saying he still hate Obama.
Cruz is just another Texas idiot politician.
Cruz is just another Texas idiot politician.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
wrongg
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Date: February 26, 2015 04:57PM
Left wingers not much liking the plan now! Too bad Gerry isn't around.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
palpatinesoros
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Date: February 28, 2015 03:44PM
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/feb/27/republicans-strike-back-fcc-member-star-wars-net-neutrality
How apropos. Soros is the diabolical evil that funded the push to implement government control of the internet.
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How apropos. Soros is the diabolical evil that funded the push to implement government control of the internet.
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Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Vexxxed
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Date: March 01, 2015 06:10AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Only a dumb ass Republican would compare Net
> Neutrality to a health care law.
How about comparing it to Smart Meters, GerBear?
Sold to the public as a way to locate power outages faster yet used to control your power needs without your say so.
That's pretty much Net Neutrality in a nutshell isn't it?
If everyone can't get ultra fast internet all the time, no one will be able to.
If you aren't using yours, they'll give it to a needy neighbor.
Net Neutrality means lowering the bar to the level of the lowest common denominator. Not raising the service level for people that chose a cheaper carrier.
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> Only a dumb ass Republican would compare Net
> Neutrality to a health care law.
How about comparing it to Smart Meters, GerBear?
Sold to the public as a way to locate power outages faster yet used to control your power needs without your say so.
That's pretty much Net Neutrality in a nutshell isn't it?
If everyone can't get ultra fast internet all the time, no one will be able to.
If you aren't using yours, they'll give it to a needy neighbor.
Net Neutrality means lowering the bar to the level of the lowest common denominator. Not raising the service level for people that chose a cheaper carrier.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
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Gunlover
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Date: March 01, 2015 07:31AM
Social Democratism AKA Nazism.
Never Run Out of Ammo
Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People
Them or You
The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why
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Never Run Out of Ammo
Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People
Them or You
The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why
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Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Traffic control center
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Date: March 01, 2015 08:18AM
Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Net Neutrality means lowering the bar to the level
> of the lowest common denominator. Not raising the
> service level for people that chose a cheaper
> carrier.
That's just dumb. Just like always.
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> Net Neutrality means lowering the bar to the level
> of the lowest common denominator. Not raising the
> service level for people that chose a cheaper
> carrier.
That's just dumb. Just like always.
Re: Obama Wants the Internet to Remain Neutral - Ted Cruz and The GOP are Outraged
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: March 01, 2015 10:14AM
Traffic control center Wrote:
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Net Neutrality means lowering the bar to the
> level
> > of the lowest common denominator. Not raising
> the
> > service level for people that chose a cheaper
> > carrier.
>
> That's just dumb. Just like always.
Sure it is.
Wait until the fine people of OutinTheMiddleofNowhere start to complain that they don't have access to fiber cabling.
And watch FIOS in the DMV area be informed they have to dial back their speed to come in line with "Net Neutrality".
That is exactly what is happening right now with Dominion Power and their Smart Meters. It's also what happened in the past when Fairfax Water took control and flat out outlawed new and old wells in most of the county.
Now we have no choice who to buy either of those two "utilities" from. They're self formed monopolies assisted into place by government oversight.
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Net Neutrality means lowering the bar to the
> level
> > of the lowest common denominator. Not raising
> the
> > service level for people that chose a cheaper
> > carrier.
>
> That's just dumb. Just like always.
Sure it is.
Wait until the fine people of OutinTheMiddleofNowhere start to complain that they don't have access to fiber cabling.
And watch FIOS in the DMV area be informed they have to dial back their speed to come in line with "Net Neutrality".
That is exactly what is happening right now with Dominion Power and their Smart Meters. It's also what happened in the past when Fairfax Water took control and flat out outlawed new and old wells in most of the county.
Now we have no choice who to buy either of those two "utilities" from. They're self formed monopolies assisted into place by government oversight.