Logically you can't believe in one without the other, where there's good there's also evil. I've seen evil in others. I don't believe in the devil as a horny, tail, wearing figure but an evil negative energy.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2009 01:15AM by spunky.

get a blog and stop posting your rants here. they are free: https://www.blogger.com/start


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

You can logically believe in one god with out a devil, just not the christian god. You can believe in a god that is all inclusive, a god that isnt good, a god that isnt evil, a god that just is. But anyway you look at it, the concept of a devil is pretty ass backwards. I dont believe in true evil, or ultimate good, we see things as evil, when really they are just necessity. If a lion had second thoughts about killing his prey to feed his family, they would starve to death. The world is cyclical and balanced, good/evil, life/death are all a part of this cycle. "Evil" is just as important as "good". Even a man like hitler who has been turned into a monster (for good reason), you have to realize he was a man, and he probably even thought that what he was doing was for the greater good. I dont think anyone is motivated to do bad things, i think they do what they rationalize to be needed.

Gravis Wrote:
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> get a blog and stop posting your rants here. they
> are free: https://www.blogger.com/start

+1

spunky Wrote:
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> Logically you can't believe in one without the
> other, where there's good there's also evil. I've
> seen evil in others. I don't believe in the devil
> as a horny, tail, wearing figure but an evil
> negative energy.


Good and evil a subjective concepts created by humans to explain the actions of other humans. Over time humans have developed social norms, morality, that, if followed, allow for a relative harmonious and productive co-existence. These norms include...not killing each other, not stealing from each other, etc.

The term "evil" is used to describe individuals and the actions of individuals that don't align with the concept of these social norms. Often, these individuals are mentally unstable (Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein). Their actions are due more to the fact that they are incapable of relating or empathizing with average humans in what we would consider "a normal way." They are typically sociopaths who are very good at manipulating other people who trust them with the mistaken belief that they operate within the social norms of society. However, these individuals, because of their mental state, are incapable of feeling guilt or compassion and are thus "evil."

So, in conclusion, you don't have to believe in "a Devil" to believe that people can be "evil."

I dont believe in the devil but I believe in the grimace
Attachments:

The Grimace Wrote:
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> I dont believe in the devil but I believe in the
> grimace




BTW...why does everyone sound like a Jew from New York in this ad?

I believe in God, and God is love.

Good (love )can't exist without evil.

I have seen good and evil and they are

both a choice. Evil is real. The fallout

on Wallstreet was due to evil with an eye on greed.

It's the difference between right and wrong. It

seems people have lost their moral compass.

Why is it that those in positions that should

know better and in power that effect our everyday

life tell us, "Well, we've learned our lesson and

we can move forward from here." Speaking of the

Wall street mess, but so many examples to pull from,

common sense would have cued most average intelligent

people that we had a problem, I knew years ago. But

these folks were Harvard MBAs, above average and are

acting stupid about the entire mess. This scares the

hell out of me, so I know there's no devil left in me,

but them? Our government?

I lost my morel compass, and its almost mushroom season. MEH...

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

Spunky, you say you believe in God, but God created all creatures. This includes cats, so you are saying God fucked up with cats because you hate them. you are one screwed up person

graymoose Wrote:
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> Spunky, you say you believe in God, but God
> created all creatures. This includes cats, so you

No you are saying that, not me, once agin jumping to
conclusions. Who else here does this on a grand scale?
Gravis (a cat lover and pic slinger her), MsMephisto and
angeless#? Plus a few others. But who cares?

> are saying God fucked up with cats because you
> hate them. you are one screwed up person

This is your long-shot attempt to say I am screwed-
up because I love and I love God...whose screwed-up here?
Yes good choice of names, you must be old and stick out like
a moose everywhere you go,,,because you do here.


Congrats! You are the 100th weakest link, why are so many in here and men?
Expect a horrible 2009 and 2010 for your worthy prize.



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I too believe in God and I feel sorry for you. Whatever has happened to you in life has turned you into screwed up person.

There is no God and there is no Devil.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 02:18PM by Alias.

Alias, no one cares for your opinions...please move to a blog, where other self-important assholes dwell.

graymoose Wrote:
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> I too believe in God and I feel sorry for you.
> Whatever has happened to you in life has turned
> you into screwed up person.


Calling people names does not a screwed-up person make, not even you.

This is not what someone who follows God would say...but rather someone

who follows the devil, remember God is love and you are not by your rants.

I believe you are a reg. hiding behind this anonpost name, "graymoose". What

a poor insincere soul, what are you afraid of?

Reflection?

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> There is no God and there is no Devil.


Yes there is. The devil is alive and well more now then ever,

look around our world today. You can't believe in one without the other.

spunky Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There is no God and there is no Devil.
>
>
> Yes there is. The devil is alive and well more
> now then ever,
>
> look around our world today. You can't believe in
> one without the other.
like i said, yes you can. You just cannot believe in the christian god without the devil. Its easy to believe in a god that is responsible for both the good and the evil in the world. And again, "good" and "evil" are both subjective. What is evil to one culture or social group, may be the norm for another, so in reality I dont believe there is actually a true good or evil.

]



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Alias Wrote:
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> Skunky,
>
> You've convinced me. There is a Devil.
>
> It's called untreated mental illness.


You know I had you in mind as a devil and I'm not alone in that thought,

You post here religiously as others for years and you think you're sane?

Don't worry you can get treatment if you can remember who "YOU" really are?

How long have you been so sad and angry, maybe it's your age? Dementia?

Maybe those drugs you've been on?

]



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Alias Wrote:
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> Skunky wrote:
>
> You know I had you in mind as a devil and I'm not
> alone in that thought."
> ______________________
>
> So, there are others?
>
> How often do the "others" speak to you?


I never said anyone spoke to me...did I?

No. But jumping to conclusions is in keeping with

MsMephisto, Gravis, Angeless#, 496, Meeper, WTL, Inky and

the list goes on. No wonder you have so much time on your hands

to waste here.

LMAO.. Whats wrong with this picture? Is it *Normal* to be up at 3am claiming the other one suffers from "mental illness"?....Think about it...you can't help but to laugh.

l



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 01:59PM by Alias.

Alias Wrote:
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> Margie,
>
> LMAO.... at you.
>
> Goodnight.

I knew you'd get a laugh out of that....Goodnight/morning

Alias Wrote:
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> Washington wrote:
> “There is no God and there is no Devil.”
> ____________
>
> He should have added, “And, I know these things
> to be true because I know all things. I’m sort of
> like that God you simpletons believe in.”



I'm not saying there isn't some sort of creative intelligence behind the Universe that we don't fully understand. I'm saying there is "no God"...with a capital "G." You don't have to be "all knowing" to figure out that if God is all knowing and all powerful, then the Devil couldn't exist without his permission. If that's the case, then God is not good.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Washington wrote:
> > “There is no God and there is no Devil.”
> > ____________
> >
> > He should have added, “And, I know these
> things
> > to be true because I know all things. I’m sort
> of
> > like that God you simpletons believe in.”
>
>
>
> I'm not saying there isn't some sort of creative
> intelligence behind the Universe that we don't
> fully understand. I'm saying there is "no
> God"...with a capital "G." You don't have to be
> "all knowing" to figure out that if God is all
> knowing and all powerful, then the Devil couldn't
> exist without his permission. If that's the case,
> then God is not good.


God is good, but he's given us choices. Choices to

love or hate, be good or evil. For you to say he doesn't

exist means you think you're God and all knowing?...Alias?

Margie, I can't help but see your post here as more then a coincidence through the work of Alias no doubt,,,again. You were up with the Po Po and neighbors and you just happened to be thinking at 3 AM in that situation, oh I gotta check FFU?

Of course...so logical...for Alias.

spunky Wrote:
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>
>
> God is good, but he's given us choices. Choices
> to
>
> love or hate, be good or evil. For you to say he
> doesn't
>
> exist means you think you're God and all
> knowing?...Alias?

So he gave the Jews the choice to die in the Holocaust and the infirm to drown to death in New Orleans?

The fact that "our choices" cause the misery and suffering of innocent people and God does nothing to intervene means he is either not all good, not all powerful or not all knowing....or a combination of all three. This means the Bible is in error, which totally undermines the entire concept of a Christian-Judeo God.

You don't have to be God or all-knowing to deduce these things logically.

Spunky, Where is Your God Now? Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> >
> >
> > God is good, but he's given us choices.
> Choices
> > to
> >
> > love or hate, be good or evil. For you to say
> he
> > doesn't
> >
> > exist means you think you're God and all
> > knowing?...Alias?
>
> So he gave the Jews the choice to die in the
> Holocaust and the infirm to drown to death in New
> Orleans?
>
> The fact that "our choices" cause the misery and
> suffering of innocent people and God does nothing
> to intervene means he is either not all good, not
> all powerful or not all knowing....or a
> combination of all three. This means the Bible is
> in error, which totally undermines the entire
> concept of a Christian-Judeo God.
>
> You don't have to be God or all-knowing to deduce
> these things logically.


In each event there were people God put in place to enable or disable those

events or not and it was by choice, through the choice to do good or bad that

these and other events occurred. Don't you think God would have saved Jesus if

it were just God's choice alone? For every action there's a reaction or

consequence. God didn't promise us a rose garden but to learn to handle crisis in

a loveingly God way and to care for others, which we haven't been, greed has been

the focus.

I don't know all the answers but I believe, that someone or something and I

choose to think of that entity as, God is trying to get our attention for a very

long time. With a smooth road we would not ask much needed questions and seek

much needed answers. With crisis comes enlightment...sadly.

Even now the world is looking desperately for a leader, why is it so hard to

believe that one exists by virture of the fact that we (people) and our marvelous

planet exists through a divine hand of sorts from a supreme leader. You really

think the balance of our planet just happened? Think about it, really. Open

your eyes no leader has done more that has lasted longer with a reputation that

has endured then, God. God exists ultimately in all religions, how is that

possible that all these cultures could agree without a war or intervention...God!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/29/2009 07:45PM by spunky.

Don't you think God would have saved Jesus if

it were just God's choice alone?

This is an admission from you that God is not all powerful. Thus, the Bible is wrong.


You really

think the balance of our planet just happened?

No. It took billions of years of trial and error through the processes of physics and biology.


God exists ultimately in all religions, how is that

possible that all these cultures could agree without a war or intervention...God!

Being inquisitive creatures, humans have to have an explanation for everything. Cavemen didn't understand the sun or the moon or lightning, so they made up explanations for them. Gradually, over eons, these superstitious believes evolved into "The Sun God," and "The God of the Sea" and "The God of Love" and "The God of War." As humans gradually came to understand that the moon and sun were not divine, they, and other elements and emotions, no longer needed gods affiliated with them. In the end, only one God was needed. The God of everything.

spunky Wrote:
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> Margie, I can't help but see your post here as
> more then a coincidence through the work of Alias
> no doubt,,,again. You were up with the Po Po and
> neighbors and you just happened to be thinking at
> 3 AM in that situation, oh I gotta check FFU?
>
> Of course...so logical...for Alias.


spunky...What the WTF is wrong with you?. Do you honestly think I'm alias? Seriously, I have no problem posting the P.M's you sent me (definately not in your best interest) ...Look...I've never messed with you, so don't fuck with me...go find someone else top to pick on. ***END OF CONVERSATION***

s



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 09:08PM by inkahootz.

inkahootz Wrote:
> Don't trip on that shit, Margie! She thinks I'm
> Alias as well. She used to think we were all
> Elliot. Now, she thinks we are all Alias.

inka...No problem here..I'm not concerned...This is a win-win situation for me...she can find someone else to mess with or she can ask me to prove I'm not alias....Trust me...You'all would have a field day with the p.m's. ( "'s" as in more then one)

FYI..There is not a damn thing wrong with spunky...She gets a kick out of screwing with peoples heads and.....M A R G I E don't play that game!!!

Margie I think you protest much to loud and crudely for a woman? Plus your angry

rants don't dispute my point, nor you Inky and all you others. Get a grip,

please...Alias! Now, post all the PMs you want there were at the most 2 or 3 and

casual in nature which reinforces my proof of your true identity...Alias.

Did you notice the vicious attitude you portrayed in your language in mentioning

that we even had PMed? That's an Alias attribute I have learned to cue into here

in this site...sad? But I understand.

Assumations...oh yea...again your attribute Alias. I never said there was

something wrong with me...you did!


Now who's screwing with who?

ok guys....give it a break...NO!!!- They are not for "Sell"... NO!!!- I will not "making a deal" for them... NO!!!-I will not "Hook a brother up" and NO!!!..The last thing in the world I need is a puppy.

Good night, I'm going to bed .... Don't waste your time sending me anymore P.M's...I'm not going to read them so don't bother!!!!

Margie Wrote:
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> The last thing in the world I need is a puppy.



lol


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Spunky..take a chill and read the P.M I sent you..

Gravis..that puppy is adorable....If I was not (Seriously) terrified of dogs, I would love to have a little puppy like that.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 01:52PM by Alias.

Alias,
Would you want to be me or me be you?.. I've never thought about being you or you being me...Have you ever thought about me being you or you being me? .. I don't know if I want you to be me or me to be you.. Sometimes I don't want to be me or me to be you. Have you ever not wanted to be you or you to be me?

Wait, if Alias is 496 and Margie is Alias... who am I?

Genevieve Wrote:
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> Wait, if Alias is 496 and Margie is Alias... who
> am I?

I think you're inkahootz or are you WashingTone Locian? Wait..You might be Gravis..damn this gets to confusing..oh, now that I remember,I'm pretty sure your Elliot.

\



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Alias Wrote:
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> I just don't want to be 496.
ok..no problem, then 496 is you..and your Genevieve and I am you.

wait..that won't work, because inkahootz is Genevieve, so your inkahootz.

Where the hell is Spunky when you need her? She is the only one that has this all figured out.

Sorry I need to edit this...but...We need to get this thread back on topic..So who is the devil?



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 09:08PM by inkahootz.

spunky Wrote:
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> Logically you can't believe in one without the
> other, where there's good there's also evil. I've
> seen evil in others. I don't believe in the devil
> as a horny, tail, wearing figure but an evil
> negative energy.


This presupposes a dichotomy of good and evil. I don't see why this is 'logically' necessary. I suppose you aren't a Christian though, since the Christian worldview (the incarnations I'm familar with anyway) don't suppose a 'good' and 'evil' dichotomy. In the Christian worldview, God is the supreme being and he allows the devil to get away with his misdeeds for a limited time. After that time has passed, God will take all his followers up to a land of milk and honey, with no evil what-so-ever.

spunky Wrote:
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> I believe in God, and God is love.
> Good (love )can't exist without evil.

What does that even mean? Seriously, are you trying to say that god is a chemical reaction that takes place in a person's brain? I think you might have some support for this concept.

> I have seen good and evil and they are
> both a choice. Evil is real. The fallout

No, good and evil are labels we put on choices.

> on Wallstreet was due to evil with an eye on
> greed.
> It's the difference between right and wrong. It
> seems people have lost their moral compass.

Yeah, I believe Socrates was accused of ushering in this sort of thing way back in 300 BC. The fact is, the older generation almost always accuses the youth of losing their moral compass. They wax poetically about the 'golden days', forgetting that those days were filled with racism and the like.

> Why is it that those in positions that should
> know better and in power that effect our everyday
> life tell us, "Well, we've learned our lesson and
> we can move forward from here." Speaking of the
> Wall street mess, but so many examples to pull
> from,common sense would have cued most average
> intelligent
> people that we had a problem, I knew years ago.
> But these folks were Harvard MBAs, above average and
> are acting stupid about the entire mess. This scares
> the hell out of me, so I know there's no devil left in
> me, but them? Our government?

They were trying to gain a competitive advantage and earn more money. Don't excuse them by blaming this on the devil.

> Yes there is. The devil is alive and well more
> now then ever,

Spunky, what exactly do you think the Devil is?

> look around our world today. You can't believe in
> one without the other.

Seems like a number of people would disagree with you - although the majority do believe in the dichotomy, ever since Zoroastrianism and the helenization of christianity.

>Don't you think God would have saved Jesus if
>it were just God's choice alone?

Um...What??

God is omnipotent, is he not? God sacrificed Jesus in order to appease himself. How is it *NOT* his choice?



Spunky, you need to back up the following:

1. That God and co (including the devil) exist.
2. That good necessitates evil.
3. That humans are not responsible for evil (a big bad boogey man is who's to blame).

Margie Wrote:
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> Genevieve Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wait, if Alias is 496 and Margie is Alias...
> who
> > am I?
>
> I think you're inkahootz or are you WashingTone
> Locian? Wait..You might be Gravis..damn this gets
> to confusing..oh, now that I remember,I'm pretty
> sure your Elliot.


Fuck. I admit it. I'm Meade.

This is Awesome! Everyone Send Margie PMs with your personal questions! She's like an advice collumnist! QUICK Margie answer my PM's!!!!!!!



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Genevieve Wrote:
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> Wait, if Alias is 496 and Margie is Alias... who
> am I?

umm... Elliot?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I prefer the "Everyone is Elliot" theory over this new one. It was much less confusing to think we were all the same person.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I prefer the "Everyone is Elliot" theory over this
> new one. It was much less confusing to think we
> were all the same person.


It's not crazy to believe in God or the Devil. Just ask Spunky.

Professor Pangloss Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Logically you can't believe in one without the
> > other, where there's good there's also evil.
> I've
> > seen evil in others. I don't believe in the
> devil
> > as a horny, tail, wearing figure but an evil
> > negative energy.
>
>
> This presupposes a dichotomy of good and evil. I
> don't see why this is 'logically' necessary. I
> suppose you aren't a Christian though, since the
>
Up to this point you were doing alright, but where

you start to suppose or assume as usual destroys your point...Alias!

I wouldn't bring this subject up if I weren't.

Christian worldview (the incarnations I'm familiar
> with anyway) don't suppose a 'good' and 'evil'
> dichotomy. In the Christian worldview, God is the
> supreme being and he allows the devil to get away

He (God) allows as if you would know? Are you a Christian?

Since the beginning of time there has been a fight between good and evil.

There's evil involved with our current situation and how we arrived here through

corruption, deceit, greed and so much more. If Wall Street, Big 3 and etc. were

filled with good people we would not be faced with our present circumstances.

This is a no-brainer...Alias!

with his misdeeds for a limited time. After that
> time has passed, God will take all his followers
> up to a land of milk and honey, with no evil
> what-so-ever.
>
This is what Revelations says in the Bible. But here you also

acknowledge there would be no evil, but in this statement you acknowledge the existence of evil, so you contradict your argument. Professor...don't stop learning...you fall short here.

> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I believe in God, and God is love.
> > Good (love )can't exist without evil.
>
> What does that even mean? Seriously, are you
> trying to say that god is a chemical reaction that
> takes place in a person's brain? I think you
> might have some support for this concept.

This is pretty easy to understand apparently for most

people.

> > I have seen good and evil and they are
> > both a choice. Evil is real. The fallout
>
> No, good and evil are labels we put on choices.

For every choice there is a consequence which by popular majority

reflects something bad or good. I agree sometimes it's a label, but what isn't?


> > on Wall Street was due to evil with an eye on
> > greed.
> > It's the difference between right and wrong.
> It
> > seems people have lost their moral compass.
>
> Yeah, I believe Socrates was accused of ushering
> in this sort of thing way back in 300 BC. The
> fact is, the older generation almost always
> accuses the youth of losing their moral compass.
> They wax poetically about the 'golden days',
> forgetting that those days were filled with racism
> and the like.

This is something much bigger, like the destruction of

our world as we know it. There has been racism since the beginning

of time and we will always have it, just like we will always have rich

and poor. But how we balance these with civility and ethical treatment

of one another is the difference.

>
> > Why is it that those in positions that should
> > know better and in power that effect our
> everyday
> > life tell us, "Well, we've learned our lesson
> and
> > we can move forward from here." Speaking of the
>
> > Wall street mess, but so many examples to pull
> > from,common sense would have cued most average
> > intelligent
> > people that we had a problem, I knew years ago.
>
> > But these folks were Harvard MBAs, above average
> and
> > are acting stupid about the entire mess. This
> scares
> > the hell out of me, so I know there's no devil
> left in
> > me, but them? Our government?
>
> They were trying to gain a competitive advantage
> and earn more money. Don't excuse them by blaming
> this on the devil.


I am not excusing them for one second, just saying a lot of them

had evil intentions to begin with, to lie and run unethical businesses at the

expense of our worldly economy.
>
> > Yes there is. The devil is alive and well more
> > now then ever,
>
> Spunky, what exactly do you think the Devil is? Evil.
>
> > look around our world today. You can't believe
> in
> > one without the other.
>
> Seems like a number of people would disagree with
>
Where's your proof? No stats.


you - although the majority do believe in the
> dichotomy, ever since Zoroastrianism and the
> hellenization of christianity.
>
> >Don't you think God would have saved Jesus if
> >it were just God's choice alone?
>
> Um...What??
>
> God is omnipotent, is he not? God sacrificed Jesus
> in order to appease himself. How is it *NOT* his
> choice?
>

>
> Spunky, you need to back up the following:
>
> 1. That God and co (including the devil) exist.
> 2. That good necessitates evil.
> 3. That humans are not responsible for evil (a big
> bad boogeyman is who's to blame).


Read the Bible. Just through science there's always a balance, in the event you

don't believe in the Bible.



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Spunky...shut the FUCK UP.

NoSpunkNhere Wrote:
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> Spunky...shut the FUCK UP.


Another anonpost...Ha! No guts, no glory, hiding ?

I would guess you are a reg...? But spineless!

You said more about yourself in your little statement then I

could or ever want to say about you.

Spunky..Check your P.M's (Messages) :-)

As I said before Spunky is screwed up

.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 03:17PM by Alias.

spunky Wrote:
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> In each event there were people God put in place
> to enable or disable those
>
> events or not and it was by choice, through the
> choice to do good or bad that
>
> these and other events occurred.

What?

> Don't you think
> God would have saved Jesus if
>
> it were just God's choice alone?

So you are stating that it wasnt gOD's choice? so you're saying he's not all knowing/powerful/hateful/loving/jealous

> For every action
> there's a reaction or
>
> consequence. God didn't promise us a rose garden
> but to learn to handle crisis in
>
> a loveingly God way and to care for others, which
> we haven't been, greed has been
>
> the focus.

gOD didnt promis us anything, because gOD never talked to us.

>
> I don't know all the answers but I believe, that
> someone or something and I
>
> choose to think of that entity as, God is trying
> to get our attention for a very
>
> long time. With a smooth road we would not ask
> much needed questions and seek
>
> much needed answers. With crisis comes
> enlightment...sadly.

By believing in the christian god and the bible, you are infact stating that you have the answers. That is what religion claims to be in possesion of, truth. That is what is so dangerous about religion, they all say they have the ultimate truth.

>
> Even now the world is looking desperately for a
> leader, why is it so hard to
>
> believe that one exists by virture of the fact
> that we (people) and our marvelous
>
> planet exists through a divine hand of sorts from
> a supreme leader. You really
>
> think the balance of our planet just happened?
> Think about it, really.

Is the world a brilliant, complex, marvelous thing, yes, do all of these things point to a creator, maybe. Do any of these things point to the christian god described in the bible? certainly not. Atheists and secularists take the position of "we dont know". We dont know where we came from, why we're here, who/what created us (if anyone at all). Where as the religious take the position of "knowing", which i think is a disservice to this existance.

> Open
>
> your eyes no leader has done more that has lasted
> longer with a reputation that
>
> has endured then, God. God exists ultimately in
> all religions, how is that
>
> possible that all these cultures could agree
> without a war or intervention...God!

That's the thing, all of these religions can not agree, that is why they have been fighting for 2 thousand years. And heres a great point, if you believe the world is over 10K years old (which any rational person should), then where was god before 2K years ago? was he hiding? did he not want us to know his pressence? The things you are talking about, the feelings of mystery, awe, wanting to know why/how we are here are part of the human experience, everyone goes through it, but none of these things point to a god of christian faith, a god that is so clearly the composition of mans mind.

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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------


Spunky - He (God) allows as if you would know? Are you a Christian?

Since the beginning of time there has been a fight between good and evil.

There's evil involved with our current situation and how we arrived here through

corruption, deceit, greed and so much more. If Wall Street, Big 3 and etc. were

filled with good people we would not be faced with our present circumstances.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------spunky... you want to know what greed, corruption and deceit are? they arent the devil... they are tools for survival. If you thought of human beings as animals (as we are, even though we look so good in suits...), then you would realize, greed and other things you label as evil are, just the opposite, greed is good when you horde food you have found for survival, greed is good when it enables you to survive the winter because of this. Greed is another animalistic character that religion trys to have strip from us.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Spunk - This is what Revelations says in the Bible. But here you also

acknowledge there would be no evil, but in this statement you acknowledge the existence of evil, so you contradict your argument. Professor...don't stop learning...you fall short here.
_______________________________________________________________________________

I have to admit spunky, I laughed at this, professor panglos' logic far excedes your own, Ive read alot of his posts, and he truly understands religion better than you (including your own).

> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I believe in God, and God is love.
> > Good (love )can't exist without evil.
>
> What does that even mean? Seriously, are you
> trying to say that god is a chemical reaction that
> takes place in a person's brain? I think you
> might have some support for this concept.

Spunky - This is pretty easy to understand apparently for most

people.
_______________________________________________________________________________

Indeed your statement of "god is love" means nothing. Because your god is also very angry, filled with vengence, and wrath. So excuse me if the statement "god is love" means nothing to me either.
_______________________________________________________________________________
> > I have seen good and evil and they are
> > both a choice. Evil is real. The fallout
>
> No, good and evil are labels we put on choices.

Spunky - For every choice there is a consequence which by popular majority

reflects something bad or good. I agree sometimes it's a label, but what isn't?
_______________________________________________________________________________
So by agreeing that good and evil are nothing more than subjective labels applied by the social majority, dont you negate your entire argument that good and evil exist? If good and evil are not derived from an unshaking standard that clearly defines what good and evil is, then there is infact no such thing as good or evil. There is only what is accepted, and what is not.
_______________________________________________________________________________

> > on Wall Street was due to evil with an eye on
> > greed.
> > It's the difference between right and wrong.
> It
> > seems people have lost their moral compass.
>
> Yeah, I believe Socrates was accused of ushering
> in this sort of thing way back in 300 BC. The
> fact is, the older generation almost always
> accuses the youth of losing their moral compass.
> They wax poetically about the 'golden days',
> forgetting that those days were filled with racism
> and the like.

Spunky - This is something much bigger, like the destruction of

our world as we know it. There has been racism since the beginning

of time and we will always have it, just like we will always have rich

and poor. But how we balance these with civility and ethical treatment

of one another is the difference.

_______________________________________________________________________________
The truth and agenda comes out finally, another religious person waiting for the end of the world. Spunky, you have to realized the world has always been filled with pain, sorrow, hate, and everything else you consider evil. It is a natural reaction when you see this to think that some day the good will be rewarded, and the bad will be punished, because the world is seemingly unfair. Its a natural reaction, but it isnt logical. You believing that the world is soon going to end is the same thing that muslims believe in as well.
_______________________________________________________________________________
>
> > Why is it that those in positions that should
> > know better and in power that effect our
> everyday
> > life tell us, "Well, we've learned our lesson
> and
> > we can move forward from here." Speaking of the
>
> > Wall street mess, but so many examples to pull
> > from,common sense would have cued most average
> > intelligent
> > people that we had a problem, I knew years ago.
>
> > But these folks were Harvard MBAs, above average
> and
> > are acting stupid about the entire mess. This
> scares
> > the hell out of me, so I know there's no devil
> left in
> > me, but them? Our government?
>
> They were trying to gain a competitive advantage
> and earn more money. Don't excuse them by blaming
> this on the devil.


Spunky - I am not excusing them for one second, just saying a lot of them

had evil intentions to begin with, to lie and run unethical businesses at the

expense of our worldly economy.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Again applying good and evil to a situation where it doesnt need to be. These people werent thinking of ruining lives, they were thinking of short term wealth. How can evil be done when the true consequences cannot be realized.
>
> > Yes there is. The devil is alive and well more
> > now then ever,
>
> Spunky, what exactly do you think the Devil is? Evil.
>
> > look around our world today. You can't believe
> in
> > one without the other.
>
> Seems like a number of people would disagree with
>
Where's your proof? No stats.
_______________________________________________________________________________
I think he was reffering to the other posters on this site.
_______________________________________________________________________________

>you - although the majority do believe in the
> dichotomy, ever since Zoroastrianism and the
> hellenization of christianity.
>
> >Don't you think God would have saved Jesus if
> >it were just God's choice alone?
>
> Um...What??
>
> God is omnipotent, is he not? God sacrificed Jesus
> in order to appease himself. How is it *NOT* his
> choice?
>

>
> Spunky, you need to back up the following:
>
> 1. That God and co (including the devil) exist.
> 2. That good necessitates evil.
> 3. That humans are not responsible for evil (a big
> bad boogeyman is who's to blame).


Spunky - Read the Bible. Just through science there's always a balance, in the event you

don't believe in the Bible
_______________________________________________________________________________
Reading the bible is clearly the problem for you, and many other christians like you. You take it as if it truly was from the mouth of god. You do not consider its sources, the fact that it was compiled by the roman empire to control a people (and the king james was made up out of thin air). The bible IS the problem, it is not the solution.

spunky Wrote:
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>Up to this point you were doing alright, but where
>you start to suppose or assume as usual destroys your point...Alias!
>I wouldn't bring this subject up if I weren't.

It was a conclusion based on evidence, it was not a baseless assumption.

Also, do you mean 'Alas'??

spunky Wrote:
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>He (God) allows as if you would know? Are you a Christian?
>Since the beginning of time there has been a fight between good and evil.
>There's evil involved with our current situation and how we arrived here through
>corruption, deceit, greed and so much more. If Wall Street, Big 3 and etc. were
>filled with good people we would not be faced with our present circumstances.
>This is a no-brainer...Alias!

No, I am no longer a Christian, but I have read the bible, which is where I'm getting my information. It's in the book of Job. Your bit about the 'fight' between good and evil is a fiction brought about by the influx of Zoroastrian thought.

In the Old Testament, Satan was not the 'great evil'. He was the adversary, an implement used by God to test his creation. Read Job if you don't believe me.

What you are essentially pretending is that people are not in control of themselves, that a bogeyman is responsible for all this fiscal irresponsibility. That's naive.

spunky Wrote:
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>This is what Revelations says in the Bible. But here you also
>acknowledge there would be no evil, but in this statement you acknowledge the >existence of evil, so you contradict your argument. Professor...don't stop
>learning...you fall short here.

Actually it is what "Revelation" says, there is no 's'. Also, you are clearly misunderstanding my point - is this intentional? My point is that in 'heaven' there will be no evil. In short, at a point in time evil will be no more. This goes squarely against your dichotomous reasoning.

Further you haven't supported why evil needs to exist in the first place, you merely assume that because it does, it is logically necessary. This is called begging the question.

spunky Wrote:
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>This is pretty easy to understand apparently for most
>people.

If this is the case then please demonstrate how easy it is to understand by explaining it as opposed to just asserting it's easy to understand. Frankly it sounds like you are simply replacing the word 'love' with 'god' which is equivocation.

spunky Wrote:
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>For every choice there is a consequence which by popular majority
>reflects something bad or good. I agree sometimes it's a label, but what isn't?

I do not agree with this and I think you are striving to make the words unintelligible. If I chose to wear one shirt over another - and they are exactly the same type/color shirt - the choice cannot rationally be said to be either good or bad.

spunky Wrote:
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>This is something much bigger, like the destruction of
>our world as we know it. There has been racism since the beginning
>of time and we will always have it, just like we will always have rich
>and poor. But how we balance these with civility and ethical treatment
>of one another is the difference.

You do realize that this was said during the Great Depression (as well as the Long Depression), don't you? Things will change, as they always do. This isn't the result of some metaphysical bogeyman though, this is the result of human nature.

spunky Wrote:
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>I am not excusing them for one second, just saying a lot of them
>had evil intentions to begin with, to lie and run unethical businesses at the
>expense of our worldly economy.

That is not how your posts are coming off. In fact, this thread is titled 'who believes in the devil?'. You state that the devil is 'evil negative energy'. What does that even mean? How can energy be evil? Certainly you are not talking about physical energy.

spunky Wrote:
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>Where's your proof? No stats.

I need stats to state that people don't agree with you? I'm sorry, I must of missed the overwhelming majority of posters who agree with you here. Please point them out for me....My point is that you are positively asserting that you need evil in order to balance good. You need to back this assertion up with a reasoned argument, not simply an appeal to what you perceive is obvious.

spunky Wrote:
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>Read the Bible. Just through science there's always a balance, in the event you
>don't believe in the Bible

I actually have read the bible. It doesn't back up what you are saying. In fact, the book of Job contradicts your view point as the Devil is an agent of God's.

Also, what do you mean that 'just through science there's always a balance'? Science doesn't address the metaphysical question of 'good' and 'evil'. It would state that these are descriptive terms used by humans in reference to states of affairs - they are not 'prescriptive'.

In short, you aren't backing up what you are writing.

Professor Pangloss Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >Up to this point you were doing alright, but
> where
> >you start to suppose or assume as usual destroys
> your point...Alias!
> >I wouldn't bring this subject up if I weren't.
>
> It was a conclusion based on evidence, it was not
> a baseless assumption.
>
> Also, do you mean 'Alas'??
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >He (God) allows as if you would know? Are you a
> Christian?
> >Since the beginning of time there has been a
> fight between good and evil.
> >There's evil involved with our current situation
> and how we arrived here through
> >corruption, deceit, greed and so much more. If
> Wall Street, Big 3 and etc. were
> >filled with good people we would not be faced
> with our present circumstances.
> >This is a no-brainer...Alias!
>
> No, I am no longer a Christian, but I have read
> the bible, which is where I'm getting my
> information. It's in the book of Job. Your bit
> about the 'fight' between good and evil is a
> fiction brought about by the influx of Zoroastrian
> thought.
>
> In the Old Testament, Satan was not the 'great
> evil'. He was the adversary, an implement used by
> God to test his creation. Read Job if you don't
> believe me.
>
> What you are essentially pretending is that people
> are not in control of themselves, that a bogeyman
> is responsible for all this fiscal
> irresponsibility. That's naive.
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >This is what Revelations says in the Bible. But
> here you also
> >acknowledge there would be no evil, but in this
> statement you acknowledge the >existence of evil,
> so you contradict your argument. Professor...don't
> stop
> >learning...you fall short here.
>
> Actually it is what "Revelation" says, there is no
> 's'. Also, you are clearly misunderstanding my
> point - is this intentional? My point is that in
> 'heaven' there will be no evil. In short, at a
> point in time evil will be no more. This goes
> squarely against your dichotomous reasoning.
>
> Further you haven't supported why evil needs to
> exist in the first place, you merely assume that
> because it does, it is logically necessary. This
> is called begging the question.
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >This is pretty easy to understand apparently for
> most
> >people.
>
> If this is the case then please demonstrate how
> easy it is to understand by explaining it as
> opposed to just asserting it's easy to understand.
> Frankly it sounds like you are simply replacing
> the word 'love' with 'god' which is equivocation.
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >For every choice there is a consequence which by
> popular majority
> >reflects something bad or good. I agree sometimes
> it's a label, but what isn't?
>
> I do not agree with this and I think you are
> striving to make the words unintelligible. If I
> chose to wear one shirt over another - and they
> are exactly the same type/color shirt - the choice
> cannot rationally be said to be either good or
> bad.
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >This is something much bigger, like the
> destruction of
> >our world as we know it. There has been racism
> since the beginning
> >of time and we will always have it, just like we
> will always have rich
> >and poor. But how we balance these with civility
> and ethical treatment
> >of one another is the difference.
>
> You do realize that this was said during the Great
> Depression (as well as the Long Depression), don't
> you? Things will change, as they always do. This
> isn't the result of some metaphysical bogeyman
> though, this is the result of human nature.
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >I am not excusing them for one second, just
> saying a lot of them
> >had evil intentions to begin with, to lie and run
> unethical businesses at the
> >expense of our worldly economy.
>
> That is not how your posts are coming off. In
> fact, this thread is titled 'who believes in the
> devil?'. You state that the devil is 'evil
> negative energy'. What does that even mean? How
> can energy be evil? Certainly you are not talking
> about physical energy.
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >Where's your proof? No stats.
>
> I need stats to state that people don't agree with
> you? I'm sorry, I must of missed the overwhelming
> majority of posters who agree with you here.
> Please point them out for me....My point is that
> you are positively asserting that you need evil in
> order to balance good. You need to back this
> assertion up with a reasoned argument, not simply
> an appeal to what you perceive is obvious.
>
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >Read the Bible. Just through science there's
> always a balance, in the event you
> >don't believe in the Bible
>
> I actually have read the bible. It doesn't back
> up what you are saying. In fact, the book of Job
> contradicts your view point as the Devil is an
> agent of God's.
>
> Also, what do you mean that 'just through science
> there's always a balance'? Science doesn't address
> the metaphysical question of 'good' and 'evil'.
> It would state that these are descriptive terms
> used by humans in reference to states of affairs -
> they are not 'prescriptive'.
>
> In short, you aren't backing up what you are
> writing.


I have backed it up more then you, so where's your proof as I originally

asked? You seem to enjoy glossing over my point and ignoring it all together.

You are just repeating yourself here.

Spunky, there are new treatments every day for mental illness. Please go to a clinic soon.

spunky Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have backed it up more then you, so where's your
> proof as I originally
>
> asked? You seem to enjoy glossing over my point
> and ignoring it all together.
>
> You are just repeating yourself here.

...This is your response?

Consider me underwhelmed.

What do you mean 'more then you'? You haven't backed up your claim that good necessitates evil. You made a bald assertion. I called you on it and now you are attempting to shift the burden of proof.

The *best* you could do is to vaguely appeal to the bible (ie, 'read the bible'). Whereas I pointed out that the bible doesn't help your position. In fact, if you *had* read the bible you would see that Satan is working with God (God gives Satan power to inflict Job with maladies - see Job 1:12). This is all beside the fact of your nonsensical assertion that evil was 'energy'. As though we could run up to the 7-11 and pick up a pack of batteries which contained evil.

The devil is real . He temps us EVERY DAY. You just have to be wise to it. Plus, it's in The Bible. I hate the Devil, but you can't deny his existence

sk8ter bOI Wrote:
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> The devil is real . He temps us EVERY DAY. You
> just have to be wise to it. Plus, it's in The
> Bible. I hate the Devil, but you can't deny his
> existence


The bible also states that you can effect the reproduction of your livestock by placing stripped sticks in a stream while they mate.

The bible also says that the moon makes it's own light.

In short, the bible says a lot of silly things.

azzz Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > spunky Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Spunky - He (God) allows as if you would know? Are
> you a Christian?
>
> Since the beginning of time there has been a fight
> between good and evil.
>
> There's evil involved with our current situation
> and how we arrived here through
>
> corruption, deceit, greed and so much more. If
> Wall Street, Big 3 and etc. were
>
> filled with good people we would not be faced with
> our present circumstances.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------spunky... you want to
> know what greed, corruption and deceit are? they
> aren't the devil... they are tools for survival. If
> you thought of human beings as animals (as we are,
> even though we look so good in suits...), then you
> would realize, greed and other things you label as
> evil are, just the opposite, greed is good when
> you horde food you have found for survival, greed
> is good when it enables you to survive the winter
> because of this. Greed is another animalistic
> character that religion tries to have strip from
> us.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> Spunk - This is what Revelations says in the
> Bible. But here you also
>
> acknowledge there would be no evil, but in this
> statement you acknowledge the existence of evil,
> so you contradict your argument. Professor...don't
> stop learning...you fall short here.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
>
> I have to admit spunky, I laughed at this,
> professor pangloss' logic far exceeds your own, Ive
> read a lot of his posts, and he truly understands
> religion better than you (including your own).
>
> > spunky Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I believe in God, and God is love.
> > > Good (love )can't exist without evil.
> >
> > What does that even mean? Seriously, are you
> > trying to say that god is a chemical reaction
> that
> > takes place in a person's brain? I think you
> > might have some support for this concept.
>
> Spunky - This is pretty easy to understand
> apparently for most
>
> people.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
>
> Indeed your statement of "god is love" means
> nothing. Because your god is also very angry,
> filled with vengeance, and wrath. So excuse me if
> the statement "god is love" means nothing to me
> either.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> > > I have seen good and evil and they are
> > > both a choice. Evil is real. The fallout
> >
> > No, good and evil are labels we put on choices.
>
>
> Spunky - For every choice there is a consequence
> which by popular majority
>
> reflects something bad or good. I agree sometimes
> it's a label, but what isn't?
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> So by agreeing that good and evil are nothing more
> than subjective labels applied by the social
> majority, don't you negate your entire argument
> that good and evil exist? If good and evil are not
> derived from an unshaking standard that clearly
> defines what good and evil is, then there is
> infact no such thing as good or evil. There is
> only what is accepted, and what is not.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
>
> > > on Wall Street was due to evil with an eye on
>
> > > greed.
> > > It's the difference between right and wrong.
> > It
> > > seems people have lost their moral compass.
> >
> > Yeah, I believe Socrates was accused of ushering
>
> > in this sort of thing way back in 300 BC. The
> > fact is, the older generation almost always
> > accuses the youth of losing their moral compass.
>
> > They wax poetically about the 'golden days',
> > forgetting that those days were filled with
> racism
> > and the like.
>
> Spunky - This is something much bigger, like the
> destruction of
>
> our world as we know it. There has been racism
> since the beginning
>
> of time and we will always have it, just like we
> will always have rich
>
> and poor. But how we balance these with civility
> and ethical treatment
>
> of one another is the difference.
>
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> The truth and agenda comes out finally, another
> religious person waiting for the end of the world.
> Spunky, you have to realized the world has always
> been filled with pain, sorrow, hate, and
> everything else you consider evil. It is a natural
> reaction when you see this to think that some day
> the good will be rewarded, and the bad will be
> punished, because the world is seemingly unfair.
> Its a natural reaction, but it isnt logical. You
> believing that the world is soon going to end is
> the same thing that muslims believe in as well.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> >
> > > Why is it that those in positions that should
>
> > > know better and in power that effect our
> > everyday
> > > life tell us, "Well, we've learned our lesson
>
> > and
> > > we can move forward from here." Speaking of
> the
> >
> > > Wall street mess, but so many examples to pull
>
> > > from,common sense would have cued most average
>
> > > intelligent
> > > people that we had a problem, I knew years
> ago.
> >
> > > But these folks were Harvard MBAs, above
> average
> > and
> > > are acting stupid about the entire mess. This
>
> > scares
> > > the hell out of me, so I know there's no devil
>
> > left in
> > > me, but them? Our government?
> >
> > They were trying to gain a competitive advantage
>
> > and earn more money. Don't excuse them by
> blaming
> > this on the devil.
>
>
> Spunky - I am not excusing them for one second,
> just saying a lot of them
>
> had evil intentions to begin with, to lie and run
> unethical businesses at the
>
> expense of our worldly economy.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> Again applying good and evil to a situation where
> it doesn't need to be. These people weren't thinking
> of ruining lives, they were thinking of short term
> wealth. How can evil be done when the true
> consequences cannot be realized.
> >
> > > Yes there is. The devil is alive and well more
>
> > > now then ever,
> >
> > Spunky, what exactly do you think the Devil is?
> Evil.
> >
> > > look around our world today. You can't believe
>
> > in
> > > one without the other.
> >
> > Seems like a number of people would disagree
> with
> >
> Where's your proof? No stats.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> I think he was referring to the other posters on
> this site.
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
>
> >you - although the majority do believe in the
> > dichotomy, ever since Zoroastrianism and the
> > Hellenization of christianity.
> >
> > >Don't you think God would have saved Jesus if
> > >it were just God's choice alone?
> >
> > Um...What??
> >
> > God is omnipotent, is he not? God sacrificed
> Jesus
> > in order to appease himself. How is it *NOT* his
>
> > choice?
> >
>
> >
> > Spunky, you need to back up the following:
> >
> > 1. That God and co (including the devil) exist.
>
> > 2. That good necessitates evil.
> > 3. That humans are not responsible for evil (a
> big
> > bad boogeyman is who's to blame).
>
>
> Spunky - Read the Bible. Just through science
> there's always a balance, in the event you
>
> don't believe in the Bible
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________________
> Reading the bible is clearly the problem for you,
> and many other christians like you. You take it as
> if it truly was from the mouth of god. You do not
> consider its sources, the fact that it was
> compiled by the roman empire to control a people
> (and the king james was made up out of thin air).
> The bible IS the problem, it is not the solution.



Azzzzzzzzzzz...Coincidence you posted so soon?


You say the Pro has good logic because of all his posts? He has only been here 4 months, gee that's a long time and I"m sure you are on top of logical reading looking at your postings! Ha! Ha!

You posted at an Alias, Gravis, Meeper and the regs or anonposters time frame...as an anonposter you also have no creditability.

You also sound so much like Alias, someone who thinks more of himself then others do. You proved no proof, just like your alter-ego...Prof, since you are so into labels. This should also be more proof that labels mean nothing...this Prof. is fake. No real Prof. would waste their time with the prevailing mental illness that's running amuck here and I witnessed upon discovering this site.

By the way, greed does lead to evil and has...in fact you are evil.

I have never heard you say anything good!

Do you think it was good that America sent the Indians off their lands for our greed? It was just in the 1830s we sent them off on, "The Trail of Tears." Based on yours and the Prof. this was a good action because money was made. But it wasn't along with so many like actions.

But your sight-shorted, ignorant attitude is such that has given America a black-eye and continues.

Professor Pangloss Wrote:
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> The bible also states that you can effect the
> reproduction of your livestock by placing stripped
> sticks in a stream while they mate.
>
> The bible also says that the moon makes it's own
> light.
>
> In short, the bible says a lot of silly things.


+1

I like the Professor. Is he a real Professor, or does he just play one on FU?



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The Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet who provided the Gospels but don't believe the New Testament is the word of God (or Allah) because much of what is written about Jesus comes from a narrator, not from Jesus himself. The Muslims also don't believe Jesus is the Son of God because there can only be one God and to honor any other god before him is a sin (check out the Ten Commandments).

In other words, Muslims and better Christians than most Christians (Unitarians and Orthodox religions who don't buy the Trinity exempted).

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> The Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet who
> provided the Gospels but don't believe the New
> Testament is the word of God (or Allah) because
> much of what is written about Jesus comes from a
> narrator, not from Jesus himself. The Muslims also
> don't believe Jesus is the Son of God because
> there can only be one God and to honor any other
> god before him is a sin (check out the Ten
> Commandments).
>
> In other words, Muslims and better Christians than
> most Christians (Unitarians and Orthodox religions
> who don't buy the Trinity exempted).


What's your point? You are so far of the topic of this thread, and

no the Prof is not real...he didn't pull any proof outta his ass did Alias?

WTL, Alias, Bob, 496, Gravis, Meeper, Margie and all the rest God is consistent

through-out all religions for a reason. God is love! The devil through evil is

alive and well in the world...especially right here...FFU.

The Bible was created by man for the purpose of man, although I don't believe in

the Bible word-for-word, I do believe it.

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+1

spunky Wrote:
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> The Bible was created by man for the purpose of
> man, although I don't believe in
>
> the Bible word-for-word, I do believe it.

She's your problem now
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I just get the impression Spunky looks something like this...

Her picture has already been posted.
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The devil's makin' you do this...and you're getting an evil pleasure.

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spunky Wrote:
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> Azzzzzzzzzzz...Coincidence you posted so soon?
>
>
> You say the Pro has good logic because of all his
> posts? He has only been here 4 months, gee that's
> a long time and I"m sure you are on top of logical
> reading looking at your postings! Ha! Ha!

Are you actually trying to imply that the length of time a poster has been here is somehow indicative of the strength of their argument?

Seriously??

> You posted at an Alias, Gravis, Meeper and the
> regs or anonposters time frame...as an anonposter
> you also have no creditability.

Credibility is useless in an anonymous environment. What counts is if you can support your arguments. You clearly cannot.

> You also sound so much like Alias, someone who
> thinks more of himself then others do. You proved
> no proof, just like your alter-ego...Prof, since
> you are so into labels. This should also be more
> proof that labels mean nothing...this Prof. is
> fake. No real Prof. would waste their time with
> the prevailing mental illness that's running amuck
> here and I witnessed upon discovering this site.

You are attempting to shift the burden of proof - a logical fallacy also known as appealing to ignorance.

As for being a 'real professor', you apparently have no idea where I got my username from, do you? Nor do you see the intended irony of the positions I've taken on this message board. I can't blame you for the latter, because who cares, but the former? You really don't know who Professor Pangloss is?

> By the way, greed does lead to evil and has...in
> fact you are evil.
>
> I have never heard you say anything good!
>
> Do you think it was good that America sent the
> Indians off their lands for our greed? It was
> just in the 1830s we sent them off on, "The Trail
> of Tears." Based on yours and the Prof. this was
> a good action because money was made. But it
> wasn't along with so many like actions.

This is called a strawman, it is a logical fallacy. I have not presented the argument that greed is good. All I have presented is a refutation of your bogus argument.

spunky Wrote:
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> no the Prof is not real...he didn't pull any proof
> outta his ass did Alias?

What am I supposed to 'prove', spunky? I don't think you even know what you are talking about here. My contention was that your BALD ASSERTION that evil necessitates good was unsupported. I repeatedly asked you to support this position.

You failed.

You also asserted that evil was 'energy'. I asked you to clarify what you meant by that, repeatedly.

You failed.

Finally I rebutted your position that the bible supported a dichotomy between god and the devil by pointing out that the Devil in the old testament was under God's orders. I even went so far as to provide chapter and verse. You attempted to support your argument by vaguely appealing to the bible - as though one could open it up anywhere and it would say in big bold lettering 'SPUNKY IS RIGHT'. Well guess what? It doesn't. In short...

You failed.


> WTL, Alias, Bob, 496, Gravis, Meeper, Margie and
> all the rest God is consistent
>
> through-out all religions for a reason. God is
> love! The devil through evil is

This notion that God is love needs to be defined. What do you mean when you say God is love? Do you mean that God is simply a chemical reaction that takes place in the brain? Could I increase God's powers by taking drugs that effect my dopamine levels?

> alive and well in the world...especially right
> here...FFU.
>
> The Bible was created by man for the purpose of
> man, although I don't believe in
>
> the Bible word-for-word, I do believe it.

You believe it, but you apparently haven't even read it.

Were you ever planning on responding to this Spunky?

I'll reply for Spunky. The Devil is real and he lives in Hell. The Bible tells this story. He takes you into Hell if you sin, so repent before you die and you will be saved

PRAISE JESUS!
DOWN WITH SATAN!

WOrship God/Jesus and You WIll be Saved

sk8ter bOI Wrote:
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> I'll reply for Spunky. The Devil is real and he
> lives in Hell. The Bible tells this story. He
> takes you into Hell if you sin, so repent before
> you die and you will be saved
>
> PRAISE JESUS!
> DOWN WITH SATAN!
>
> WOrship God/Jesus and You WIll be Saved


Um...Yeah...That's nice that you think that. It's only slightly relevant to the actual claims I'm addressing of Spunky's.

Spunky doesn't even believe in the devil. Otherwise she wouldn't have put the word Devil in quotation marks.

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> Spunky doesn't even believe in the devil.
> Otherwise she wouldn't have put the word Devil in
> quotation marks.

Spunky is the devil!!! And the rest of us are Elliot.

Yes, Satan exists...his name is B. Hussein Obama

I propose a new question. Do you believe in spunky? The greatest trick spunky ever pulled was annoying the shit out of everyone on this page. Oh and im definately not prof pangloss, he has much more book learnin' than i do, my grammar/spelling is shit. And yea, im not alias. But thats cool, just divert your argument from actual facts to saying im not credible because i dont register....

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> NoSpunkNhere.... finally, someone that I’m not.
>
> I thought I was alone here with Spunky, so I had
> 911 dialed on my cell and one finger sitting on
> the send button.


Look at me, when you say something crazy like that!

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alias stop posting so close to my posts!!!! we're the same person, itll look to obvious

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Would you believe it? My response to the Prof has been deleted. WOW! Why does that not surprise me?

Basically:

I made my argument which is probably why my post was deleted.

There is good and evil in the world, just look within this site for the evil.

Because the Prof went fishing for my response so often with his posts is an

indicator that he possibly deleted my post, no one else seemed to care.


Gen...you assumed because I put a word in quotes that I must like that word, the
devil, how outrageous? Your assumation and your poor support of the female sex as seen in other posts here at FU makes it easy to see you are not a real woman, nor Marge.

Azzzzzzz...it would be smart and safer if you learn to just speak for yourself, unless you are all those who've posted on this page?

Now Alias, answer my question is alcohol good or evil?



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spunky Wrote:
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> Would you believe it? My response to the Prof has
> been deleted. WOW! Why does that not surprise
> me?
>
> Basically:
>
> I made my argument which is probably why my post
> was deleted.
>
> There is good and evil in the world, just look
> within this site for the evil.

What, specifically do you deem 'evil' on this site?

> Because the Prof went fishing for my response so
> often with his posts is an
>
> indicator that he possibly deleted my post, no one
> else seemed to care.

I did not delete your post. I would assume that power would have to come from a moderator. I have been waiting for you to support your argument that good requires evil, to explain what you mean by 'god is love', and for you to explain what you mean by 'evil is energy'. I don't really need you to support your contention that the bible backs you up, since I showed that it didn't.

Now, had you provided any of these things in the post that was deleted, I would most certainly have examined it. I would not have deleted them even if I had the ability.

> Gen...you assumed because I put a word in quotes
> that I must like that word, the
> devil, how outrageous? Your assumation and your
> poor support of the female sex as seen in other
> posts here at FU makes it easy to see you are not
> a real woman, nor Marge.

I realize you were not talking to me, but what is an "assumation"? Further, exactly what sort of drone behavior are you expecting females to emulate?

> Azzzzzzz...it would be smart and safer if you
> learn to just speak for yourself, unless you are
> all those who've posted on this page?
>
> Now Alias, answer my question is alcohol good or
> evil?

Alcohol is a substance, it cannot perform actions and thus it cannot be said to be evil.

Then again, I'm closest to a non-cognitivist (it some respects) when it comes to the whole moral domain I suppose.

azzz Wrote:
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> I propose a new question. Do you believe in
> spunky? The greatest trick spunky ever pulled was
> annoying the shit out of everyone on this page.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

spunky Wrote:
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> Gen...you assumed because I put a word in quotes
> that I must like that word, the
> devil, how outrageous? Your assumation and your
> poor support of the female sex as seen in other
> posts here at FU makes it easy to see you are not
> a real woman, nor Marge.
>
No, I'm not inferring that putting a word in quotes means you like it. There are limited reasons to use quotation marks and that is not one of them.

I support people that deserve my support. You do not deserve my support.

Assumation huh. SPunky, you are a fucking idiot. And that is NOT an assumption.

496 Wrote:
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> Assumation huh. SPunky, you are a fucking idiot.
> And that is NOT an assumption.


Since when did you become the spelling bee champion?

Re: Wreckless Driving
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: April 02, 2009 09:12PM


Why yes, you did win. You won douche of the month here on FFXU. Congrats!
Good luck losing your liscence