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i think a bunch of you idiots underestimate the US economy. give it a year, MAYBE two and we will be fine.
grow up you pussies.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Govt is the Problem
()
Date: March 25, 2009 03:57PM
A reason why we should let the economy fail:
It is our generation that should take the hit. It is us who should feel the pain of the collapse. We did it to ourselves by standing idly by while the government and its many friends in the banking sector got us into this mess. And don’t forget the orgy of spending and personal debt that the population engaged in, encouraged every step of the way by the government’s easy-money policies. This all happened on our watch, but instead of taking our medicine, we the people are now encouraging the government in its many efforts to reinflate the bubble, fully aware all we are really doing is trying to shift the mess onto the backs of our children, and their children, and probably their children’s children. What a bunch of cowards we are.
You can call all of this quantitative easing if you wish; I call it institutionalized cowardice walking hand in glove with mob psychology.
Or you can call it “change.”
It is our generation that should take the hit. It is us who should feel the pain of the collapse. We did it to ourselves by standing idly by while the government and its many friends in the banking sector got us into this mess. And don’t forget the orgy of spending and personal debt that the population engaged in, encouraged every step of the way by the government’s easy-money policies. This all happened on our watch, but instead of taking our medicine, we the people are now encouraging the government in its many efforts to reinflate the bubble, fully aware all we are really doing is trying to shift the mess onto the backs of our children, and their children, and probably their children’s children. What a bunch of cowards we are.
You can call all of this quantitative easing if you wish; I call it institutionalized cowardice walking hand in glove with mob psychology.
Or you can call it “change.”
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
BobW
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:02PM
what if we let it fail get taken over by china and our children were Chinese
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Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:06PM
Govt is the Problem Wrote:
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> A reason why we should let the economy fail:
>
> It is our generation that should take the hit.
I'm not a Baby Boomer. My generation didn't run up this debt. Cut Social Security and Medicare if you want. But leave everything else.
> It
> is us who should feel the pain of the collapse.
It is the Baby Boomers.
> We
> did it to ourselves by standing idly by while the
> government and its many friends in the banking
> sector got us into this mess.
You voted for Republicans. You actively supported it.
> And don’t forget the
> orgy of spending and personal debt that the
> population engaged in, encouraged every step of
> the way by the government’s easy-money policies.
Just because someone offers you something, doesn't mean you should take it. I'm not swimming in debt.
> This all happened on our watch, but instead of
> taking our medicine, we the people are now
> encouraging the government in its many efforts to
> reinflate the bubble, fully aware all we are
> really doing is trying to shift the mess onto the
> backs of our children, and their children, and
> probably their children’s children. What a bunch
> of cowards we are.
>
You can send your check to the U.S. Treasury any time you want.
> You can call all of this quantitative easing if
> you wish; I call it institutionalized cowardice
> walking hand in glove with mob psychology.
>
> Or you can call it “change.”
Oh, please! Bush caused this fucking mess.
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> A reason why we should let the economy fail:
>
> It is our generation that should take the hit.
I'm not a Baby Boomer. My generation didn't run up this debt. Cut Social Security and Medicare if you want. But leave everything else.
> It
> is us who should feel the pain of the collapse.
It is the Baby Boomers.
> We
> did it to ourselves by standing idly by while the
> government and its many friends in the banking
> sector got us into this mess.
You voted for Republicans. You actively supported it.
> And don’t forget the
> orgy of spending and personal debt that the
> population engaged in, encouraged every step of
> the way by the government’s easy-money policies.
Just because someone offers you something, doesn't mean you should take it. I'm not swimming in debt.
> This all happened on our watch, but instead of
> taking our medicine, we the people are now
> encouraging the government in its many efforts to
> reinflate the bubble, fully aware all we are
> really doing is trying to shift the mess onto the
> backs of our children, and their children, and
> probably their children’s children. What a bunch
> of cowards we are.
>
You can send your check to the U.S. Treasury any time you want.
> You can call all of this quantitative easing if
> you wish; I call it institutionalized cowardice
> walking hand in glove with mob psychology.
>
> Or you can call it “change.”
Oh, please! Bush caused this fucking mess.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Govt is the Problem
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:12PM
Locian-
How many times do I need to repeat I am not a republican? Please take off your partisan goggles.
How many times do I need to repeat I am not a republican? Please take off your partisan goggles.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Govt is the Problem
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:14PM
Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone doesn't have the right to complain it is those people who actively participated in the system.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
stoner
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:14PM
Govt is the Problem Wrote:
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> Locian-
> How many times do I need to repeat I am not a
> republican? Please take off your partisan
> goggles.
You're a libertarian. You would rather see a plane who's engines were on fire crash then safely land in the hudson.
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> Locian-
> How many times do I need to repeat I am not a
> republican? Please take off your partisan
> goggles.
You're a libertarian. You would rather see a plane who's engines were on fire crash then safely land in the hudson.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Shadow
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:16PM
Govt is the Problem Wrote:
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> Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> doesn't have the right to complain it is those
> people who actively participated in the system.
If you don't vote, STFU.
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> Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> doesn't have the right to complain it is those
> people who actively participated in the system.
If you don't vote, STFU.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Govt is the Problem
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:18PM
Shadow Wrote:
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> Govt is the Problem Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> > doesn't have the right to complain it is those
> > people who actively participated in the system.
>
>
> If you don't vote, STFU.
Shadow- IMO it is the exact opposite. If you voted you can't complain about the results. You asked for it.
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> Govt is the Problem Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> > doesn't have the right to complain it is those
> > people who actively participated in the system.
>
>
> If you don't vote, STFU.
Shadow- IMO it is the exact opposite. If you voted you can't complain about the results. You asked for it.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Shadow
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:29PM
No, because those that voted are trying to do something for the country. Those that sit on their asses doing little more than bitching about things are merely a waste. If you couldn't be bothered to get out and choose, shut up. Every vote does make a difference, the last several elections are proof of that. If more of you lazy non-voters would get some balls and support a candidate, maybe things could be better.
But if you're just going to bitch about the end result when you made no effort to do anything about it, you're the bigger problem to society.
And just because I voted doesn't mean my choice was elected. Plenty of times, they are not. Doesn't mean I shouldn't vote, may mean I need to talk to more people before the election and garner more support for my candidate though.
But if you're just going to bitch about the end result when you made no effort to do anything about it, you're the bigger problem to society.
And just because I voted doesn't mean my choice was elected. Plenty of times, they are not. Doesn't mean I shouldn't vote, may mean I need to talk to more people before the election and garner more support for my candidate though.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Govt is the Problem
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:38PM
Shadow- I have heard all the reasons many times, so you're not alone.
As for me, I have come to the conclusion that change from within is impossible.
So it then becomes a choice between violent resistance/revolution... or... passive and peaceful withdrawal while inevitable collapse continues to unfold.
To each his own. I don't need to change your mind. The collapse will eventually happen.
I would kindly ask that you please try to keep the discussion civil though. Thanks
As for me, I have come to the conclusion that change from within is impossible.
So it then becomes a choice between violent resistance/revolution... or... passive and peaceful withdrawal while inevitable collapse continues to unfold.
To each his own. I don't need to change your mind. The collapse will eventually happen.
I would kindly ask that you please try to keep the discussion civil though. Thanks
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:39PM
Govt is the Problem Wrote:
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> Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> doesn't have the right to complain it is those
> people who actively participated in the system.
You abdicated your right to say shit. Sorry. But you are the one who has no right to complain.
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> Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> doesn't have the right to complain it is those
> people who actively participated in the system.
You abdicated your right to say shit. Sorry. But you are the one who has no right to complain.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:41PM
Govt is the Problem Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > If you don't vote, STFU.
>
>
> Shadow- IMO it is the exact opposite. If you
> voted you can't complain about the results. You
> asked for it.
If the people who had voted didn't vote, we would have been under the boot of a dictator decades ago. Thank your lucky stars some Americans take the right to vote seriously.
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> >
> >
> > If you don't vote, STFU.
>
>
> Shadow- IMO it is the exact opposite. If you
> voted you can't complain about the results. You
> asked for it.
If the people who had voted didn't vote, we would have been under the boot of a dictator decades ago. Thank your lucky stars some Americans take the right to vote seriously.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:53PM
I'm sorry, but I have to agree at this point that America is getting everything it deserves. We are a shallow, materialistic population who care more about what Britney Spears is doing than what's going on in the real world.
These crooked politicians that everyone bitches about are accurate reflections of what our society has become. We, not as a country or a nation, but we as individuals, have failed. By sitting by and thinking it was not our job to hold accountable the democrats and republicans and the media, we have failed.
It's easy for us to sit around and say that the democrats are ruining us or that the republicans already ruined us, but what did any of you do? What did I do? Nothing. Sure, we can stand in line and vote for the next group of assholes that are going to make our lives difficult, but that doesn't count for shit, and our inaction has encouraged the predicament we're facing today.
My life is unaffected because I work for and earn everything I have. All the politics in the world have no impact on a guy like me. But for those of you that actually care about it, stop crying for a second and ask yourselves what the fuck you actually did that entitles you to a say in how the country should be run? Being a citizen and voting is not enough, but you've been led to believe it is, and you are powerless to do anything else.
I am ashamed to say that I agree with a troll, but it's true. We, as individuals, not as a nation, are cowards.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2009 04:53PM by MrMephisto.
These crooked politicians that everyone bitches about are accurate reflections of what our society has become. We, not as a country or a nation, but we as individuals, have failed. By sitting by and thinking it was not our job to hold accountable the democrats and republicans and the media, we have failed.
It's easy for us to sit around and say that the democrats are ruining us or that the republicans already ruined us, but what did any of you do? What did I do? Nothing. Sure, we can stand in line and vote for the next group of assholes that are going to make our lives difficult, but that doesn't count for shit, and our inaction has encouraged the predicament we're facing today.
My life is unaffected because I work for and earn everything I have. All the politics in the world have no impact on a guy like me. But for those of you that actually care about it, stop crying for a second and ask yourselves what the fuck you actually did that entitles you to a say in how the country should be run? Being a citizen and voting is not enough, but you've been led to believe it is, and you are powerless to do anything else.
I am ashamed to say that I agree with a troll, but it's true. We, as individuals, not as a nation, are cowards.
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Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: March 25, 2009 04:55PM
So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
Don't think so.
Don't think so.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
ferfux
()
Date: March 25, 2009 05:08PM
Fuck that. You are the type of person who gives up. Who would rather put a gun in his mouth than solve a problem. You are a Mexican EMO kid who should Vaya con diablo and wallow in sadness than come up with a viable solution. Over? was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor? HELL NO! and it aint over NOW! Who's with me!? HAAYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: March 25, 2009 05:12PM
Cowards is the wrong description...mentally lazy....self absorbed...but not cowards. Locian...we could get off our fat asses and use our constitutional right to free speech...petitioning our elected officials. How about donating money to a politician?
At least once a month I write our senate and congressional reps and tell them what I think they should be doing. I donate money...and time (I need to donate more time) to politics.
We can do more then just write on here and vote!
At least once a month I write our senate and congressional reps and tell them what I think they should be doing. I donate money...and time (I need to donate more time) to politics.
We can do more then just write on here and vote!
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 25, 2009 05:16PM
WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
>
> Don't think so.
No. In modernized nations, the days of peasants revolting against the government a la the French Revolution are never going to be repeated. However, sometimes things get so big that there's nothing left to do other than collapse. You can see it on Wall Street, and you can see it in the collapse of stars into black holes in distant galaxies. How are we so presumptuous to think that a government or country is immune?
People are naturally divisive; check out "Lord of the Flies" or "Survivor" or look out your window if you need proof. More people equals more problems equals a greater need for someone to fix those problems. Our government is asked to fix those problems, and given the authority to do so. When you make the rules, you are above them. At the rate we're going, it is inevitable that we will either collapse or be put in a position where a citizen's life is issued to him for the good of all.
Maybe not in my lifetime, maybe not in five hundred years, but no country or government or empire in history has lasted forever. There is a desperation in the air that just makes me think it will be sooner rather than later.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
>
> Don't think so.
No. In modernized nations, the days of peasants revolting against the government a la the French Revolution are never going to be repeated. However, sometimes things get so big that there's nothing left to do other than collapse. You can see it on Wall Street, and you can see it in the collapse of stars into black holes in distant galaxies. How are we so presumptuous to think that a government or country is immune?
People are naturally divisive; check out "Lord of the Flies" or "Survivor" or look out your window if you need proof. More people equals more problems equals a greater need for someone to fix those problems. Our government is asked to fix those problems, and given the authority to do so. When you make the rules, you are above them. At the rate we're going, it is inevitable that we will either collapse or be put in a position where a citizen's life is issued to him for the good of all.
Maybe not in my lifetime, maybe not in five hundred years, but no country or government or empire in history has lasted forever. There is a desperation in the air that just makes me think it will be sooner rather than later.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 25, 2009 05:30PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Cowards is the wrong description...mentally
> lazy....self absorbed...but not cowards.
> Locian...we could get off our fat asses and use
> our constitutional right to free
> speech...petitioning our elected officials. How
> about donating money to a politician?
>
> At least once a month I write our senate and
> congressional reps and tell them what I think they
> should be doing. I donate money...and time (I
> need to donate more time) to politics.
>
> We can do more then just write on here and vote!
So you send them money and what they view as another piece of trash. You are not only doing nothing, but you're making it easier for them to do whatever it is that they do that we don't know about. Are you reading the laws they write? The budgets they pass? Do you scrutinize their corporate affiliations for proof (not that you'd know what that is) of corruption?
I sent a letter to George Allen about an issue I actually care about: net neutrality. I expressed my desire as a resident of Virginia that he vote against any legislation that would infringe on the freedom of the internet. I received a letter that basically said, "Thank you for writing to me, I take the issue very seriously, we do need to take care of them internets, so I'll do what's best."
So, I responded, and politely pointed why I thought he should vote a certain way, and that I respected his willingness to listen to what his constituents have to say. He sent me back the same fucking letter.
Disgusted, I crumpled it up and realized that short of hostage taking, violence, or a bigger bribe than the other guy, they're going to do what they want to do now that they're in office, fuck you. I'm not into hostage taking or violence, and I don't have that much money, so I may as well just wipe my ass with my letters rather than waste the postage.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> Cowards is the wrong description...mentally
> lazy....self absorbed...but not cowards.
> Locian...we could get off our fat asses and use
> our constitutional right to free
> speech...petitioning our elected officials. How
> about donating money to a politician?
>
> At least once a month I write our senate and
> congressional reps and tell them what I think they
> should be doing. I donate money...and time (I
> need to donate more time) to politics.
>
> We can do more then just write on here and vote!
So you send them money and what they view as another piece of trash. You are not only doing nothing, but you're making it easier for them to do whatever it is that they do that we don't know about. Are you reading the laws they write? The budgets they pass? Do you scrutinize their corporate affiliations for proof (not that you'd know what that is) of corruption?
I sent a letter to George Allen about an issue I actually care about: net neutrality. I expressed my desire as a resident of Virginia that he vote against any legislation that would infringe on the freedom of the internet. I received a letter that basically said, "Thank you for writing to me, I take the issue very seriously, we do need to take care of them internets, so I'll do what's best."
So, I responded, and politely pointed why I thought he should vote a certain way, and that I respected his willingness to listen to what his constituents have to say. He sent me back the same fucking letter.
Disgusted, I crumpled it up and realized that short of hostage taking, violence, or a bigger bribe than the other guy, they're going to do what they want to do now that they're in office, fuck you. I'm not into hostage taking or violence, and I don't have that much money, so I may as well just wipe my ass with my letters rather than waste the postage.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Govt is the Problem
()
Date: March 25, 2009 06:23PM
WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
>
> Don't think so.
Either do I. Hey! We agree!
I believe in passive withdrawal and non-participation. To me, a vote (regardless of who it is for) only serves to legitimize the State. Voting makes you complicit in any crime the Govt goes on to commit.
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> So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
>
> Don't think so.
Either do I. Hey! We agree!
I believe in passive withdrawal and non-participation. To me, a vote (regardless of who it is for) only serves to legitimize the State. Voting makes you complicit in any crime the Govt goes on to commit.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Govt is the Problem
()
Date: March 25, 2009 06:26PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm sorry, but I have to agree at this point that
> America is getting everything it deserves. We are
> a shallow, materialistic population who care more
> about what Britney Spears is doing than what's
> going on in the real world.
>
> These crooked politicians that everyone bitches
> about are accurate reflections of what our society
> has become. We, not as a country or a nation, but
> we as individuals, have failed. By sitting by and
> thinking it was not our job to hold accountable
> the democrats and republicans and the media, we
> have failed.
>
> It's easy for us to sit around and say that the
> democrats are ruining us or that the republicans
> already ruined us, but what did any of you do?
> What did I do? Nothing. Sure, we can stand in
> line and vote for the next group of assholes that
> are going to make our lives difficult, but that
> doesn't count for shit, and our inaction has
> encouraged the predicament we're facing today.
>
> My life is unaffected because I work for and earn
> everything I have. All the politics in the world
> have no impact on a guy like me. But for those of
> you that actually care about it, stop crying for a
> second and ask yourselves what the fuck you
> actually did that entitles you to a say in how the
> country should be run? Being a citizen and voting
> is not enough, but you've been led to believe it
> is, and you are powerless to do anything else.
>
> I am ashamed to say that I agree with a troll, but
> it's true. We, as individuals, not as a nation,
> are cowards.
Well said Mr Mephisto. If more people could just think independently like you without grabbing for the partisan crutch we would all be better off.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm sorry, but I have to agree at this point that
> America is getting everything it deserves. We are
> a shallow, materialistic population who care more
> about what Britney Spears is doing than what's
> going on in the real world.
>
> These crooked politicians that everyone bitches
> about are accurate reflections of what our society
> has become. We, not as a country or a nation, but
> we as individuals, have failed. By sitting by and
> thinking it was not our job to hold accountable
> the democrats and republicans and the media, we
> have failed.
>
> It's easy for us to sit around and say that the
> democrats are ruining us or that the republicans
> already ruined us, but what did any of you do?
> What did I do? Nothing. Sure, we can stand in
> line and vote for the next group of assholes that
> are going to make our lives difficult, but that
> doesn't count for shit, and our inaction has
> encouraged the predicament we're facing today.
>
> My life is unaffected because I work for and earn
> everything I have. All the politics in the world
> have no impact on a guy like me. But for those of
> you that actually care about it, stop crying for a
> second and ask yourselves what the fuck you
> actually did that entitles you to a say in how the
> country should be run? Being a citizen and voting
> is not enough, but you've been led to believe it
> is, and you are powerless to do anything else.
>
> I am ashamed to say that I agree with a troll, but
> it's true. We, as individuals, not as a nation,
> are cowards.
Well said Mr Mephisto. If more people could just think independently like you without grabbing for the partisan crutch we would all be better off.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: March 25, 2009 06:35PM
i think a bunch of you idiots underestimate the US economy. give it a year, MAYBE two and we will be fine.
grow up you pussies.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: March 25, 2009 08:17PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cowards is the wrong description...mentally
> > lazy....self absorbed...but not cowards.
> > Locian...we could get off our fat asses and use
> > our constitutional right to free
> > speech...petitioning our elected officials.
> How
> > about donating money to a politician?
> >
> > At least once a month I write our senate and
> > congressional reps and tell them what I think
> they
> > should be doing. I donate money...and time (I
> > need to donate more time) to politics.
> >
> > We can do more then just write on here and
> vote!
>
> So you send them money and what they view as
> another piece of trash. You are not only doing
> nothing, but you're making it easier for them to
> do whatever it is that they do that we don't know
> about. Are you reading the laws they write? The
> budgets they pass? Do you scrutinize their
> corporate affiliations for proof (not that you'd
> know what that is) of corruption?
>
> I sent a letter to George Allen about an issue I
> actually care about: net neutrality. I expressed
> my desire as a resident of Virginia that he vote
> against any legislation that would infringe on the
> freedom of the internet. I received a letter that
> basically said, "Thank you for writing to me, I
> take the issue very seriously, we do need to take
> care of them internets, so I'll do what's best."
>
> So, I responded, and politely pointed why I
> thought he should vote a certain way, and that I
> respected his willingness to listen to what his
> constituents have to say. He sent me back the
> same fucking letter.
>
> Disgusted, I crumpled it up and realized that
> short of hostage taking, violence, or a bigger
> bribe than the other guy, they're going to do what
> they want to do now that they're in office, fuck
> you. I'm not into hostage taking or violence, and
> I don't have that much money, so I may as well
> just wipe my ass with my letters rather than waste
> the postage.
I track them on a hand full of issues that are of particualr importance to me....immigration policy...our justice system...reproductive rights...women's rights...foreign policy..education.
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cowards is the wrong description...mentally
> > lazy....self absorbed...but not cowards.
> > Locian...we could get off our fat asses and use
> > our constitutional right to free
> > speech...petitioning our elected officials.
> How
> > about donating money to a politician?
> >
> > At least once a month I write our senate and
> > congressional reps and tell them what I think
> they
> > should be doing. I donate money...and time (I
> > need to donate more time) to politics.
> >
> > We can do more then just write on here and
> vote!
>
> So you send them money and what they view as
> another piece of trash. You are not only doing
> nothing, but you're making it easier for them to
> do whatever it is that they do that we don't know
> about. Are you reading the laws they write? The
> budgets they pass? Do you scrutinize their
> corporate affiliations for proof (not that you'd
> know what that is) of corruption?
>
> I sent a letter to George Allen about an issue I
> actually care about: net neutrality. I expressed
> my desire as a resident of Virginia that he vote
> against any legislation that would infringe on the
> freedom of the internet. I received a letter that
> basically said, "Thank you for writing to me, I
> take the issue very seriously, we do need to take
> care of them internets, so I'll do what's best."
>
> So, I responded, and politely pointed why I
> thought he should vote a certain way, and that I
> respected his willingness to listen to what his
> constituents have to say. He sent me back the
> same fucking letter.
>
> Disgusted, I crumpled it up and realized that
> short of hostage taking, violence, or a bigger
> bribe than the other guy, they're going to do what
> they want to do now that they're in office, fuck
> you. I'm not into hostage taking or violence, and
> I don't have that much money, so I may as well
> just wipe my ass with my letters rather than waste
> the postage.
I track them on a hand full of issues that are of particualr importance to me....immigration policy...our justice system...reproductive rights...women's rights...foreign policy..education.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: March 25, 2009 08:25PM
Gravis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> i think a bunch of you idiots underestimate the US
> economy. give it a year, MAYBE two and we will be
> fine.
>
> grow up you pussies.
Shit. I agree with Gravis. Maybe this is .... the END!
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> i think a bunch of you idiots underestimate the US
> economy. give it a year, MAYBE two and we will be
> fine.
>
> grow up you pussies.
Shit. I agree with Gravis. Maybe this is .... the END!
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
ferfux
()
Date: March 25, 2009 08:32PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Cowards is the wrong description...mentally
> > > lazy....self absorbed...but not cowards.
> > > Locian...we could get off our fat asses and
> use
> > > our constitutional right to free
> > > speech...petitioning our elected officials.
> > How
> > > about donating money to a politician?
> > >
> > > At least once a month I write our senate and
> > > congressional reps and tell them what I think
> > they
> > > should be doing. I donate money...and time
> (I
> > > need to donate more time) to politics.
> > >
> > > We can do more then just write on here and
> > vote!
> >
> > So you send them money and what they view as
> > another piece of trash. You are not only doing
> > nothing, but you're making it easier for them
> to
> > do whatever it is that they do that we don't
> know
> > about. Are you reading the laws they write?
> The
> > budgets they pass? Do you scrutinize their
> > corporate affiliations for proof (not that
> you'd
> > know what that is) of corruption?
> >
> > I sent a letter to George Allen about an issue
> I
> > actually care about: net neutrality. I
> expressed
> > my desire as a resident of Virginia that he
> vote
> > against any legislation that would infringe on
> the
> > freedom of the internet. I received a letter
> that
> > basically said, "Thank you for writing to me, I
> > take the issue very seriously, we do need to
> take
> > care of them internets, so I'll do what's
> best."
> >
> > So, I responded, and politely pointed why I
> > thought he should vote a certain way, and that
> I
> > respected his willingness to listen to what his
> > constituents have to say. He sent me back the
> > same fucking letter.
> >
> > Disgusted, I crumpled it up and realized that
> > short of hostage taking, violence, or a bigger
> > bribe than the other guy, they're going to do
> what
> > they want to do now that they're in office,
> fuck
> > you. I'm not into hostage taking or violence,
> and
> > I don't have that much money, so I may as well
> > just wipe my ass with my letters rather than
> waste
> > the postage.
>
>
> I track them on a hand full of issues that are of
> particualr importance to me....immigration
> policy...our justice system...reproductive
> rights...women's rights...foreign
> policy..education.
Jesus christ Vince Lighten up! I bet you are a ton o' fun at parties!
-------------------------------------------------------
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Cowards is the wrong description...mentally
> > > lazy....self absorbed...but not cowards.
> > > Locian...we could get off our fat asses and
> use
> > > our constitutional right to free
> > > speech...petitioning our elected officials.
> > How
> > > about donating money to a politician?
> > >
> > > At least once a month I write our senate and
> > > congressional reps and tell them what I think
> > they
> > > should be doing. I donate money...and time
> (I
> > > need to donate more time) to politics.
> > >
> > > We can do more then just write on here and
> > vote!
> >
> > So you send them money and what they view as
> > another piece of trash. You are not only doing
> > nothing, but you're making it easier for them
> to
> > do whatever it is that they do that we don't
> know
> > about. Are you reading the laws they write?
> The
> > budgets they pass? Do you scrutinize their
> > corporate affiliations for proof (not that
> you'd
> > know what that is) of corruption?
> >
> > I sent a letter to George Allen about an issue
> I
> > actually care about: net neutrality. I
> expressed
> > my desire as a resident of Virginia that he
> vote
> > against any legislation that would infringe on
> the
> > freedom of the internet. I received a letter
> that
> > basically said, "Thank you for writing to me, I
> > take the issue very seriously, we do need to
> take
> > care of them internets, so I'll do what's
> best."
> >
> > So, I responded, and politely pointed why I
> > thought he should vote a certain way, and that
> I
> > respected his willingness to listen to what his
> > constituents have to say. He sent me back the
> > same fucking letter.
> >
> > Disgusted, I crumpled it up and realized that
> > short of hostage taking, violence, or a bigger
> > bribe than the other guy, they're going to do
> what
> > they want to do now that they're in office,
> fuck
> > you. I'm not into hostage taking or violence,
> and
> > I don't have that much money, so I may as well
> > just wipe my ass with my letters rather than
> waste
> > the postage.
>
>
> I track them on a hand full of issues that are of
> particualr importance to me....immigration
> policy...our justice system...reproductive
> rights...women's rights...foreign
> policy..education.
Jesus christ Vince Lighten up! I bet you are a ton o' fun at parties!
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 25, 2009 09:29PM
I'm not talking about just the economy, by the way.
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Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: March 25, 2009 11:00PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shit. I agree with Gravis. Maybe this is .... the
> END!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shit. I agree with Gravis. Maybe this is .... the
> END!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Alias
()
Date: March 25, 2009 11:49PM
ferfux wrote:
"Jesus christ Vince Lighten up! I bet you are a ton o' fun at parties!"
_________________________
Vince at a party:
Vince enters party and immediately starts counting heads. He determines the crowd exceeds the allowed number of bodies for the room size and calls the fire department. Then, suspicious that trans-fats have been hidden in the hors’dourves, Vince sneaks a few samples into an expensive but environmentally safe alternative plastic bag to be sent off to the FDA.
Suddenly, the DJ cranks up the music. Vince, looking almost epileptic, wildly attempts to cover his ears and almost drops his specimen bag. He steadies himself, rifles through his pocketbook, locates his decibel gauge and notes the excessive volume in an email to the Health Department.
He walks over to a corner where some young college students, in hushed tones, are discussing oppression under the big leftist government. Hearing their blasphemy, Vince takes their pictures with his pink flowered camera pen. At this point, Vince is so unraveled, he runs into the bathroom, to collect his thoughts.
While using the toilet, he imagines how he will help the government shut down this dangerous party. He flushes the toilet but is surprised that everything goes down on one flush. What? This toilet isn't a government approved 1.6-gal. toilet? Looking for his pink pen, he slips, falls head first into the toilet and gets stuck. Luckily, the fire department has just arrived and they pull Vince out. Coughing up toilet water and looking around for his pants which are now missing, Vince is carried out of the party on a stretcher and transported to the local government loony bin.
"Jesus christ Vince Lighten up! I bet you are a ton o' fun at parties!"
_________________________
Vince at a party:
Vince enters party and immediately starts counting heads. He determines the crowd exceeds the allowed number of bodies for the room size and calls the fire department. Then, suspicious that trans-fats have been hidden in the hors’dourves, Vince sneaks a few samples into an expensive but environmentally safe alternative plastic bag to be sent off to the FDA.
Suddenly, the DJ cranks up the music. Vince, looking almost epileptic, wildly attempts to cover his ears and almost drops his specimen bag. He steadies himself, rifles through his pocketbook, locates his decibel gauge and notes the excessive volume in an email to the Health Department.
He walks over to a corner where some young college students, in hushed tones, are discussing oppression under the big leftist government. Hearing their blasphemy, Vince takes their pictures with his pink flowered camera pen. At this point, Vince is so unraveled, he runs into the bathroom, to collect his thoughts.
While using the toilet, he imagines how he will help the government shut down this dangerous party. He flushes the toilet but is surprised that everything goes down on one flush. What? This toilet isn't a government approved 1.6-gal. toilet? Looking for his pink pen, he slips, falls head first into the toilet and gets stuck. Luckily, the fire department has just arrived and they pull Vince out. Coughing up toilet water and looking around for his pants which are now missing, Vince is carried out of the party on a stretcher and transported to the local government loony bin.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 26, 2009 12:00AM
Alias Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ferfux wrote:
> "Jesus christ Vince Lighten up! I bet you are a
> ton o' fun at parties!"
> _________________________
>
> Vince at a party:
>
> Vince enters party and immediately starts
> counting heads. He determines the crowd exceeds
> the allowed number of bodies for the room size and
> calls the fire department. Then, suspicious
> that trans-fats have been hidden in the
> hors’dourves, Vince sneaks a few samples into an
> expensive but environmentally safe alternative
> plastic bag to be sent off to the FDA.
>
> Suddenly, the DJ cranks up the music. Vince,
> looking almost epileptic, wildly attempts to
> cover his ears and almost drops his specimen bag.
> He steadies himself, rifles through his
> pocketbook, locates his decibel gauge and notes
> the excessive volume in an email to the Health
> Department.
>
> He walks over to a corner where some young
> college students, in hushed tones, are discussing
> oppression under the big leftist government.
> Hearing their blasphemy, Vince takes their
> pictures with his pink flowered camera pen. At
> this point, Vince is so unraveled, he runs into
> the bathroom, to collect his thoughts.
>
> While using the toilet, he imagines how he will
> help the government shut down this dangerous
> party. He flushes the toilet but is surprised that
> everything goes down on one flush. What? This
> toilet isn't a government approved 1.6-gal.
> toilet? Looking for his pink pen, he slips,
> falls head first into the toilet and gets stuck.
> Luckily, the fire department has just arrived and
> they pull Vince out. Coughing up toilet water and
> looking around for his pants which are now
> missing, Vince is carried out of the party on a
> stretcher and transported to the local government
> loony bin.
At the risk of gaining ire with the other regulars...
Can we be friends, now?
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-------------------------------------------------------
> ferfux wrote:
> "Jesus christ Vince Lighten up! I bet you are a
> ton o' fun at parties!"
> _________________________
>
> Vince at a party:
>
> Vince enters party and immediately starts
> counting heads. He determines the crowd exceeds
> the allowed number of bodies for the room size and
> calls the fire department. Then, suspicious
> that trans-fats have been hidden in the
> hors’dourves, Vince sneaks a few samples into an
> expensive but environmentally safe alternative
> plastic bag to be sent off to the FDA.
>
> Suddenly, the DJ cranks up the music. Vince,
> looking almost epileptic, wildly attempts to
> cover his ears and almost drops his specimen bag.
> He steadies himself, rifles through his
> pocketbook, locates his decibel gauge and notes
> the excessive volume in an email to the Health
> Department.
>
> He walks over to a corner where some young
> college students, in hushed tones, are discussing
> oppression under the big leftist government.
> Hearing their blasphemy, Vince takes their
> pictures with his pink flowered camera pen. At
> this point, Vince is so unraveled, he runs into
> the bathroom, to collect his thoughts.
>
> While using the toilet, he imagines how he will
> help the government shut down this dangerous
> party. He flushes the toilet but is surprised that
> everything goes down on one flush. What? This
> toilet isn't a government approved 1.6-gal.
> toilet? Looking for his pink pen, he slips,
> falls head first into the toilet and gets stuck.
> Luckily, the fire department has just arrived and
> they pull Vince out. Coughing up toilet water and
> looking around for his pants which are now
> missing, Vince is carried out of the party on a
> stretcher and transported to the local government
> loony bin.
At the risk of gaining ire with the other regulars...
Can we be friends, now?
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Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: March 26, 2009 01:12AM
Alias Wrote:
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> Vince at a party
you forgot the part where he starts lecturing "20 somethings" about how they are spoiled brats that dont deserve anything, how few minorities there are at the party and to rectify this he calls his 20 illegal alien friends that come in and take all the beer.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince at a party
you forgot the part where he starts lecturing "20 somethings" about how they are spoiled brats that dont deserve anything, how few minorities there are at the party and to rectify this he calls his 20 illegal alien friends that come in and take all the beer.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
Alias
()
Date: March 26, 2009 02:07AM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 01:26PM by Alias.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
azzz
()
Date: March 26, 2009 02:40AM
Govt is the Problem Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A reason why we should let the economy fail:
>
> It is our generation that should take the hit. It
> is us who should feel the pain of the collapse. We
> did it to ourselves by standing idly by while the
> government and its many friends in the banking
> sector got us into this mess. And don’t forget the
> orgy of spending and personal debt that the
> population engaged in, encouraged every step of
> the way by the government’s easy-money policies.
> This all happened on our watch, but instead of
> taking our medicine, we the people are now
> encouraging the government in its many efforts to
> reinflate the bubble, fully aware all we are
> really doing is trying to shift the mess onto the
> backs of our children, and their children, and
> probably their children’s children. What a bunch
> of cowards we are.
>
> You can call all of this quantitative easing if
> you wish; I call it institutionalized cowardice
> walking hand in glove with mob psychology.
>
> Or you can call it “change.”
It's easy to blame this generation for standing by and doing nothing. However, when the only news that is reported is 15 second clips of child murders, or viscious right vs left bashing, it is hard to be aware. yes it was blissful ignorance, but no one knew any better. I dont think it is cowardice,i think its apathy on our part. When we see things like the vietnam war, iraq war, and the patriot act happening, and no matter how hard we fight, the government doesnt listen to the people, then you start to think you have little if any power to decide the direction this country goes in. People need to stop watching According to Jim (if you watch that show you should be shot publicly anyways), and start realizing how shitty things have become.
-------------------------------------------------------
> A reason why we should let the economy fail:
>
> It is our generation that should take the hit. It
> is us who should feel the pain of the collapse. We
> did it to ourselves by standing idly by while the
> government and its many friends in the banking
> sector got us into this mess. And don’t forget the
> orgy of spending and personal debt that the
> population engaged in, encouraged every step of
> the way by the government’s easy-money policies.
> This all happened on our watch, but instead of
> taking our medicine, we the people are now
> encouraging the government in its many efforts to
> reinflate the bubble, fully aware all we are
> really doing is trying to shift the mess onto the
> backs of our children, and their children, and
> probably their children’s children. What a bunch
> of cowards we are.
>
> You can call all of this quantitative easing if
> you wish; I call it institutionalized cowardice
> walking hand in glove with mob psychology.
>
> Or you can call it “change.”
It's easy to blame this generation for standing by and doing nothing. However, when the only news that is reported is 15 second clips of child murders, or viscious right vs left bashing, it is hard to be aware. yes it was blissful ignorance, but no one knew any better. I dont think it is cowardice,i think its apathy on our part. When we see things like the vietnam war, iraq war, and the patriot act happening, and no matter how hard we fight, the government doesnt listen to the people, then you start to think you have little if any power to decide the direction this country goes in. People need to stop watching According to Jim (if you watch that show you should be shot publicly anyways), and start realizing how shitty things have become.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
azzz
()
Date: March 26, 2009 02:42AM
stoner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Govt is the Problem Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Locian-
> > How many times do I need to repeat I am not a
> > republican? Please take off your partisan
> > goggles.
>
>
> You're a libertarian. You would rather see a
> plane who's engines were on fire crash then safely
> land in the hudson.
im still having trouble figuring out what the fuck this even means
-------------------------------------------------------
> Govt is the Problem Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Locian-
> > How many times do I need to repeat I am not a
> > republican? Please take off your partisan
> > goggles.
>
>
> You're a libertarian. You would rather see a
> plane who's engines were on fire crash then safely
> land in the hudson.
im still having trouble figuring out what the fuck this even means
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
azzz
()
Date: March 26, 2009 02:45AM
Govt is the Problem Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shadow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Govt is the Problem Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> > > doesn't have the right to complain it is
> those
> > > people who actively participated in the
> system.
> >
> >
> > If you don't vote, STFU.
>
>
> Shadow- IMO it is the exact opposite. If you
> voted you can't complain about the results. You
> asked for it.
Just because we voted for the lesser of 2 evils, doesnt mean we have no right to compain. If you dont vote, than you have a right to complain, but you also have the chance that canidate A. will be elected who is shittier than canidate B. I like jesse Ventura's idea of putting a - None of the above - on the voting ballet. It lets the government know that you are here participating in the system, but you dont like the choices that have been shoved down your throat.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shadow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Govt is the Problem Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Locian- And I don't vote either. If anyone
> > > doesn't have the right to complain it is
> those
> > > people who actively participated in the
> system.
> >
> >
> > If you don't vote, STFU.
>
>
> Shadow- IMO it is the exact opposite. If you
> voted you can't complain about the results. You
> asked for it.
Just because we voted for the lesser of 2 evils, doesnt mean we have no right to compain. If you dont vote, than you have a right to complain, but you also have the chance that canidate A. will be elected who is shittier than canidate B. I like jesse Ventura's idea of putting a - None of the above - on the voting ballet. It lets the government know that you are here participating in the system, but you dont like the choices that have been shoved down your throat.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
blah
()
Date: March 26, 2009 03:29AM
MrMephisto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
> >
> > Don't think so.
>
> No. In modernized nations, the days of peasants
> revolting against the government a la the French
> Revolution are never going to be repeated.
You are wrong, there have been riots going on in several european countries as well as a revolt in iceland (or atleast i think it was iceland). Citizens marching down the street demanding change is the sign of a healthy government, a government that is being forced by its people to actually SERVE the people. We as American citizens think we're too "civilized" to march down the streets demanding change, but we're not civilized, we're pussified. Discention is the greatest form of patriotism.
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
> >
> > Don't think so.
>
> No. In modernized nations, the days of peasants
> revolting against the government a la the French
> Revolution are never going to be repeated.
You are wrong, there have been riots going on in several european countries as well as a revolt in iceland (or atleast i think it was iceland). Citizens marching down the street demanding change is the sign of a healthy government, a government that is being forced by its people to actually SERVE the people. We as American citizens think we're too "civilized" to march down the streets demanding change, but we're not civilized, we're pussified. Discention is the greatest form of patriotism.
Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 26, 2009 08:29AM
blah Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
> > >
> > > Don't think so.
> >
> > No. In modernized nations, the days of
> peasants
> > revolting against the government a la the
> French
> > Revolution are never going to be repeated.
>
> You are wrong, there have been riots going on in
> several european countries as well as a revolt in
> iceland (or atleast i think it was iceland).
> Citizens marching down the street demanding change
> is the sign of a healthy government, a government
> that is being forced by its people to actually
> SERVE the people. We as American citizens think
> we're too "civilized" to march down the streets
> demanding change, but we're not civilized, we're
> pussified. Discention is the greatest form of
> patriotism.
So citizens in the European countries and Iceland took up weapons, violently overthrew their government, and installed their own, like the French Revolution I mentioned? Because it sounds like you're talking about the same old "stand in the streets and yell shit hoping someone's listening" that's been going on for a while with no effect.
I went to the protest on the Mall opposing the troop surge a while back, and lost all my faith in protesting. It was a goddamn circus, and despite the number of people that showed up, the government did whatever the hell they wanted to anyway. The voices of a million people are easily drowned out by the silence and inaction of the other 305,000,000.
"Dissension" is the greatest form of patriotism, but thinking about change or wishing for change while doing effectively nothing isn't dissension; it's being a lazy idealist.
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So the alternative is, what, Revolution?
> > >
> > > Don't think so.
> >
> > No. In modernized nations, the days of
> peasants
> > revolting against the government a la the
> French
> > Revolution are never going to be repeated.
>
> You are wrong, there have been riots going on in
> several european countries as well as a revolt in
> iceland (or atleast i think it was iceland).
> Citizens marching down the street demanding change
> is the sign of a healthy government, a government
> that is being forced by its people to actually
> SERVE the people. We as American citizens think
> we're too "civilized" to march down the streets
> demanding change, but we're not civilized, we're
> pussified. Discention is the greatest form of
> patriotism.
So citizens in the European countries and Iceland took up weapons, violently overthrew their government, and installed their own, like the French Revolution I mentioned? Because it sounds like you're talking about the same old "stand in the streets and yell shit hoping someone's listening" that's been going on for a while with no effect.
I went to the protest on the Mall opposing the troop surge a while back, and lost all my faith in protesting. It was a goddamn circus, and despite the number of people that showed up, the government did whatever the hell they wanted to anyway. The voices of a million people are easily drowned out by the silence and inaction of the other 305,000,000.
"Dissension" is the greatest form of patriotism, but thinking about change or wishing for change while doing effectively nothing isn't dissension; it's being a lazy idealist.
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Re: We Are Cowards
Posted by:
jhey
()
Date: March 26, 2009 08:50AM
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.