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Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Johnathan ()
Date: February 26, 2009 09:27PM

I wasn't a fan of George Bush for awhile, but you know...in retrospect, things weren't really so bad. He did his best in a rough situation. When you compare it with the trajectory our country has been on in the last month (Thank you, President Hussein) and spending over a trillion dollars in just a month...George wasn't really such a bad deal. Sure, he wasn't the best speaker. He made the absolute best out of near apocolypse and I really don't have a problem with him, for the most part. Harriet Meyers though...that's unforgivable.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Johnathan ()
Date: February 26, 2009 09:30PM

But then theres...

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Johnathan ()
Date: February 26, 2009 09:31PM

Nevermind... I'm a dope. Sorry to waste everyone's time.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Jonathan Q Troll ()
Date: February 26, 2009 09:58PM

Johnathan Wrote:
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> I wasn't a fan of George Bush for awhile, but you
> know...in retrospect, things weren't really so
> bad. He did his best in a rough situation. When
> you compare it with the trajectory our country has
> been on in the last month (Thank you, President
> Hussein) and spending over a trillion dollars in
> just a month...George wasn't really such a bad
> deal. Sure, he wasn't the best speaker. He made
> the absolute best out of near apocolypse and I
> really don't have a problem with him, for the most
> part. Harriet Meyers though...that's unforgivable.


Okay, Troll. Nobody believes you.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Jonathan Q Troll ()
Date: February 26, 2009 10:00PM

Johnathan Wrote:
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> But then theres...
>
>


I would like to point out that the biggest increase in the debt under Obama is the fact he is actually counting the cost for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, something Bush kept out of the national debt numbers for years.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: February 26, 2009 10:06PM

Johnathan Wrote:
>>> I wasn't a fan of George Bush for awhile, but you know...in retrospect, things weren't really so bad.


I voted for George W. Bush in '00, and thought he was an OK president until it was clear we weren't ever going to find WMD in Iraq. Everything went down hill after that, including our economy. And now we got shit like Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin struggling for the spotlight.

In retrospect, the GOP is pretty fucking dumb.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Poor American ()
Date: February 26, 2009 10:18PM

I hate to say it, but Barak Hussein Osama has yet to do anything for me.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Poor American ()
Date: February 26, 2009 10:25PM

I'm in the Pegggy Joseph camp. I thought that Mr. Obamassiah would be buying my gas and paying my mortgage by now!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dingo ()
Date: February 26, 2009 10:25PM

Poor American Wrote:
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> I hate to say it, but Barak Hussein Osama has yet
> to do anything for me.

Well, he IS going to invest a lot in education so then, perhaps, you could get your GED and learn how to spell his name.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: huh ()
Date: February 26, 2009 10:49PM

Poor American Wrote:
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> I'm in the Pegggy Joseph camp.

You're a rug muncher too?

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Johnathan ()
Date: February 27, 2009 05:48AM

Just puttin it out there...no need to be hostile. Bush won two wars. Obama can't win his own birth certificate.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Doubtful ()
Date: February 27, 2009 06:48AM

Exactly which two wars did he win?

ANd if that's the case, why are more US soldiers dying every month since these supposed wins?

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: February 27, 2009 07:31AM

Troll Virtuoso...

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Date: February 27, 2009 08:54AM

Johnathan Wrote:
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> Just puttin it out there...no need to be hostile.
> Bush won two wars. Obama can't win his own birth
> certificate.


Bush didn't win either war.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: February 27, 2009 03:57PM

We wont know if our soldiers spilled their blood in vain until at least 5 years after the last US soldier is kicked out...2011! Until then they are an occuped counrty...with traitors for politicians.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: February 27, 2009 04:33PM

No soldier died in vain - they died patriots serving their country when called. Though the mission may have been hapless, misguided, and tragic the call and answer to service is never in vain. It is essential to our freedom, our defense and our power in the world. We ask - they serve.

We do owe them as much truth as we can muster though. We need to understand Every time we call them why we have done so. In this case it is unclear our leaders true motives (sadly their abilities were poor in this regard). We may well have abused a trust with our soldiers, by calling them in vain but non of their sacrifice can, in my opinion, be viewed as in vain...



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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: February 27, 2009 04:42PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Johnathan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just puttin it out there...no need to be
> hostile.
> > Bush won two wars. Obama can't win his own
> birth
> > certificate.
>
>
> Bush didn't win either war.



to be fair, after 9/11, we were not attacked again and we have done catastrophic damage to al queda. we havent won yet but we sure as hell havent lost.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Date: February 27, 2009 04:46PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> >
> > Bush didn't win either war.
>
>
> to be fair, after 9/11, we were not attacked again
> and we have done catastrophic damage to al queda.
> we havent won yet but we sure as hell havent lost.


To be fair, the war has done catastrophic damage to our economy.

Bin Laden is fighting a war of attrition. He doesn't expect to beat us militarily or by blowing up more buildings. He expects to beat us by bankrupting us the way he believes he bankrupted the Soviet Union during the war in Afghanistan. By that measure, we are most certainly losing.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Johnathan ()
Date: February 27, 2009 04:55PM

We're Winning because we are free, and they are eating each others turd in a cave somewhere.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > > Bush didn't win either war.
> >
> >
> > to be fair, after 9/11, we were not attacked
> again
> > and we have done catastrophic damage to al
> queda.
> > we havent won yet but we sure as hell havent
> lost.
>
>
> To be fair, the war has done catastrophic damage
> to our economy.
>
> Bin Laden is fighting a war of attrition. He
> doesn't expect to beat us militarily or by blowing
> up more buildings. He expects to beat us by
> bankrupting us the way he believes he bankrupted
> the Soviet Union during the war in Afghanistan. By
> that measure, we are most certainly losing.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: February 27, 2009 04:56PM

I score Bush with 2 no decisions. Obama is now on the hook in middle relief.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: February 27, 2009 05:01PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> a+div{visibility:hidden;position:absolute}WashingT
> one Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Johnathan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Just puttin it out there...no need to be
> > hostile.
> > > Bush won two wars. Obama can't win his own
> > birth
> > > certificate.
> >
> >
> > Bush didn't win either war.
>
>
> to be fair, after 9/11, we were not attacked again
> and we have done catastrophic damage to al queda.
> we havent won yet but we sure as hell havent lost.


Really, not so much Gravis see the 07 report http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/11/al.qaeda.report/index.html - its quite impossible to destroy international nomads, willing to live in caves, prone to doubling when cut down. Their purpose is to create conflict and we have obliged beyond their wildest dreams. I am not saying we did not have to go after Bin Laden in Afganistan - we did. But we needed to make him a symbolic figure knowing that you cannot eliminate that which multiplies exponentially when you kill a segment and not the whole.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: meme ()
Date: February 27, 2009 05:02PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > > Bush didn't win either war.
> >
> >
> > to be fair, after 9/11, we were not attacked
> again
> > and we have done catastrophic damage to al
> queda.
> > we havent won yet but we sure as hell havent
> lost.
>
>
> To be fair, the war has done catastrophic damage
> to our economy.
>
> Bin Laden is fighting a war of attrition. He
> doesn't expect to beat us militarily or by blowing
> up more buildings. He expects to beat us by
> bankrupting us the way he believes he bankrupted
> the Soviet Union during the war in Afghanistan. By
> that measure, we are most certainly losing.

Am I alone in thinking that it's a little preposterous to think our gov't/intelligence could prevent a detonation of an explosive device here? I mean, I'm not talking about a plane flying in dramatic fashion into a skyscraper again but something like a mall or a train???

2 idiots (no offense to idiots) paralyzed the the whole DC Metro area during the Sniper era and we really think we can stop some type of terrorist activity here? Really?

Seems fishy to me.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: February 27, 2009 08:25PM

Seems fishy because you have NOT - Fed your Industrial Military Machine today. Come on this is not even close - the fix is in. 'Terrorism' is the 'Big Mac' of the defense industry and Republican fear machine. Watch out the Hamburgler is right behind you!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: February 28, 2009 08:43PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> To be fair, the war has done catastrophic damage
> to our economy.


we have been at war for years and only recently has there been a major economic crisis. war is costly but the cost is directly to the government and is distributed and over a period of time. we both know the banks are to blame for the current situation of "holy shit, we're sinking! abandon ship!"

file.php?40,file=4834> Bin Laden is fighting a war of attrition. He
> doesn't expect to beat us militarily or by blowing
> up more buildings. He expects to beat us by
> bankrupting us the way he believes he bankrupted
> the Soviet Union during the war in Afghanistan. By
> that measure, we are most certainly losing.


and where are you getting this information? if you say "it's common sense" or some bullshit, just stfu. otherwise, do share with the class.



dono Wrote:
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> its quite impossible to destroy
> international nomads, willing to live in caves,
> prone to doubling when cut down. Their purpose is
> to create conflict and we have obliged beyond
> their wildest dreams. I am not saying we did not
> have to go after Bin Laden in Afganistan - we did.
> But we needed to make him a symbolic figure
> knowing that you cannot eliminate that which
> multiplies exponentially when you kill a segment
> and not the whole.


im not saying we were going to outright destroy them but it will take time for them to reorganize. to destroy al queda, we dont have to kill every one of them, just kill enough that they cant reorganize. this wont stop them from joining another organization but it will stop al queda. anyway, what i am saying that we have kept them at bay. however, you are wrong about their cause being to make conflict, they want to kill as many of us as they can.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: February 28, 2009 11:56PM

I guess if all you look at are Al Queda attacks in the US you can say we have kept them at bay. Gravis...you really have shown yourself to be a rather naive and uneducated soul on the goals of Al Queda...killing people is merely a symbolic gesture designed to entrap us an expensive war of occupation and attrition which eventually will drive us off Arab lands. This was their strategy with the RUssians in Afghanistan and now with us. GWB stupidly fell into their trap when he invaded Iraq, a war that has helped bankrupt this country. You can try and make the argument that the current crisis is caused by banks and thus unrelated to the Al Queda strategy to bankrupt us. But I do wish you and your republikan dregs could get your stories straight. The leadership of the republikan party is going around spouting off how Obama's stimiuls plan is going to bankrupt the country.

We have them at bay? Talk to the Pakistanies...talk to the Afghanies...thye are quickly spreading their efforts to what might have been their long term plans..to control the Pakistani atomic weapons.

And who do we have to thank for this.....GWB and his army of idiot followers.....you!

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/591.php?nid=&id=&pnt=591&lb=



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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 01, 2009 05:48AM

Gravis you are ignorant my friend. The Al Queda kool aid was invented for people like you to feed the machine. Keeping Al Quiada at bay does not require the entirety of the greatest military power on earth. Think about it for a minute.

If it does it is obviously not worth the lives or treasure - the ONLY way they win is for us to believe that we must throw Everything at them.

What a joke.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 01, 2009 08:40AM

Gravis Wrote:
>>> and where are you getting this information? if you say "it's common sense" or some bullshit, just stfu. otherwise, do share with the class.


Bin Laden himself has explicitly stated a number of times that the goal of Al-Qaeda is to bankrupt the U.S.

"We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah
willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,.......We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled
Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat,........All
that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece
of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause
America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything
of note other than some benefits for their private corporations,



It's pretty scary how Bush & Co. completely fell into this trap.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 01, 2009 09:24AM

Bin Laden is a well educated Saudi with royal blood. He knows well our military/industrial greed and he has tapped it masterfully. Had we spent our time and money on rebuilding the trade centers, the financial markets and our infrastructure he would be nothing.

I propose the next time they attack (and they will) we proclaim a war on bad bridges in the US and name them all after Al Qaeda 'prosperity is the ultimate weapon against terrorism' on every new bridge. Attack again, we build hydro-electric damns at war-time spending rates, again new roads for the US like it was war.

You really think they would keep attacking?

I do not.



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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Mary ()
Date: March 01, 2009 11:18AM

Because it looks like our wonderful new administration is granting the Chinese eminent domain as collateral for US debts. Yea you read that right. That means when we can no longer pay for all this massive spending the Chinese can call in the loans and take our land.

The thought that American citizens and businesses could lose their land as a means of payment is downright scary. I highly doubt ANY American citizen would have voted for Obama if they knew this was coming down the pike.


LiveLeak.com has the story and appears to have confirmation from both governments

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 01, 2009 11:29AM

Hahahaha.... here's the source of this "eminent domain" conspiracy theory, so that all of you can see how crazy this Mary person is....

http://www.rense.com/general85/give.htm

Talk about lunatic paranoia.... sheesh....


In the likely case you find the article too nonsensical and disjointed to read, here's a real gem from it....


"Dot #2 Arch-illuminist and satanist Henry Kissinger "normalizes" trade relations with China during the Nixon years."

lol



Mary Wrote:
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> Because it looks like our wonderful new
> administration is granting the Chinese eminent
> domain as collateral for US debts. Yea you read
> that right. That means when we can no longer pay
> for all this massive spending the Chinese can call
> in the loans and take our land.
>
> The thought that American citizens and businesses
> could lose their land as a means of payment is
> downright scary. I highly doubt ANY American
> citizen would have voted for Obama if they knew
> this was coming down the pike.
>
>
> LiveLeak.com has the story and appears to have
> confirmation from both governments



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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 01, 2009 01:20PM

Wow well there you have it. Mary I had no idea.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 02, 2009 07:46AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Bin Laden himself has explicitly stated a number
> of times that the goal of Al-Qaeda is to bankrupt
> the U.S.
[...]
> It's pretty scary how Bush & Co. completely fell
> into this trap.


thanks for the info. however, what should we be doing, ignoring them?


dono Wrote:
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> Keeping Al Quiada at bay does not
> require the entirety of the greatest military
> power on earth.
[...]
> I propose the next time they attack (and they
> will) we proclaim a war on bad bridges in the US
> and name them all after Al Qaeda 'prosperity is
> the ultimate weapon against terrorism' on every
> new bridge. Attack again, we build hydro-electric
> damns at war-time spending rates, again new roads
> for the US like it was war.
>
> You really think they would keep attacking?
>
> I do not.


wow... just wow.

file.php?40,file=3231
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 02, 2009 08:20AM

Back to animals being tortured...how sweet!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 02, 2009 08:29AM

Hey look its a Republican trying to gobble up the last of the tax-cuts-for-the-rich!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 02, 2009 09:02AM

Gravis Wrote:
>>> what should we be doing, ignoring them?


We should have been focused on counter-terrorism, instead of wasting billions of dollars and thousands of lives "nation-building" Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with the "war on terror".

I'm not saying we shouldn't be catching and killing terrorists, I just don't think the government really knew what the heck it was doing.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Johnathan ()
Date: March 02, 2009 09:56AM

BUt what about the Iraqis? Don't you care about what happens to them?

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> >>> what should we be doing, ignoring them?
>
>
> We should have been focused on counter-terrorism,
> instead of wasting billions of dollars and
> thousands of lives "nation-building" Iraq, a
> country that had nothing to do with the "war on
> terror".
>
> I'm not saying we shouldn't be catching and
> killing terrorists, I just don't think the
> government really knew what the heck it was doing.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 02, 2009 10:15AM

Johnathan Wrote:
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>>> BUt what about the Iraqis? Don't you care about what happens to them?


This war was not started because we cared about the people of Iraq. It's an oil-rich state, and Bush went there to settle an old score under the paranoid, phony pretense of WMD.

So to answer your question about whether I care about the Iraqi's: Not enough to justify an invasion of their country.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Johnathan ()
Date: March 02, 2009 10:25AM

You're cold, man.


TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Johnathan Wrote:
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> >>> BUt what about the Iraqis? Don't you care
> about what happens to them?
>
>
> This war was not started because we cared about
> the people of Iraq. It's an oil-rich state, and
> Bush went there to settle an old score under the
> paranoid, phony pretense of WMD.
>
> So to answer your question about whether I care
> about the Iraqi's: Not enough to justify an
> invasion of their country.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 02, 2009 10:28AM

Even the Iraquis think they are better off without us.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 02, 2009 10:39AM

Jonathan Wrote:
>> You're cold, man


Cold? Why, because I won't revise history by portraying the Iraq War as some kind of humanitarian cause?

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 02, 2009 11:10AM

We have had our way with the Iraq - lets leave them to bury their dead and re-build starting from the Flintstone level we bombed them to. We got fully our sustainable bomb-proof embassy complex in Bagdadio.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 04, 2009 02:25AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Even the Iraquis think they are better off without us.


when they yelled, "the world is better off without you!" at you, they were not referring to the United states.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Common Sense ()
Date: March 04, 2009 02:58AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> thanks for the info. however, what should we be
> doing, ignoring them?

Actually, if you understand what the whole point of terrorism really is, then yes, we ignore them.

"the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear"

I've been saying this since the mid 1990's, "If you don't react to terrorism, you take away the power of the fear they hope to exploit." -- Now, I'm not saying to pretend nothing ever happened. You prosecute anyone involved with the act of terrorism, but you definitely do not change your laws, or invest large sums of money and resources as a reaction to the act. By doing so, you are providing the result that was the goal of the terrorist.

Terrorists aim to undermine free societies by forcing the people to bargain for security by sacrificing freedom. Plain and simple.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 04, 2009 06:49AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > Even the Iraquis think they are better off
> without us.
>
> when they yelled, "the world is better off without
> you!" at you, they were not referring to the
> United states.


Cute! xoxoxo!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: March 04, 2009 06:56AM

Someone put up the chart with parties in control of Kongress instead of presidents, then we can get into a discussion of what branch of government spends our money. If deficits go up like that while demokrats were in power then I'll happily eat crow. But three things popped out at me immediately with the above chart. First the defect radically spikes when the demokrats take control of kongress in 2006. Second, the deficit flattens out when the repbulicans took over congress with the Contract with America pledge. Third, the chart says "Iraq Occupation" in nice bold lettering under Bush II but doesn't say "9/11 attacks, stand up Dept of Homeland Security and Fund."

So let's see someone post the Kongressional timeline with that chart, at least nayone who is interested in facts. Presidents don't spend money, kongress does. Do people here honestly not know that?

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 04, 2009 12:47PM

Oh...the old Congress defense..as if the president doesnt send up a budget..as if the president doesnt have the veto power....as if the president doesnt have the bully pulpit...as if it is all the democrats fault...as if you had a brain!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gipper ()
Date: March 04, 2009 12:57PM

Yeah, it wasn't Reagan who increased spending.

It wasn't all previous presidents who continued to pay down the debt from World War II, until Reagan, who instead of paying down the WWII debt, added onto the debt.

Yes, it's congress. Because demokrats control it now, and I heard it on Fox news or Rush's radio show. It has to be true because I agree with it and all other information makes me feel uncomfortable.

The Iranians and Obama want to create a world government. They are going to destroy america. No wait, is it the president or congress? I guess it's okay to blame the president as long as he's a demokrat. When it's a republican president, the physics laws a mooted, and then it's obvious how congress is always behind everything. Except when congress is controlled by republicans.

Man, how do you people keep up with all that logical gymnastics? Oh, nevermind, you obviously don't maintain a contiguous line of reasoning, you flit around from one contradictory belief to another based on whatever the talking point of the day is on your right wing news outlet. It's so much easier to just parrot the talking point, why exert mental energy having a consistent train of thought?

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Date: March 04, 2009 01:09PM

conVince Wrote:
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> Someone put up the chart with parties in control
> of Kongress instead of presidents, then we can get
> into a discussion of what branch of government
> spends our money.

The deficit went down in the 90s because Congressional Democrats first forced Bush 41 into accepting a tax hike, which cost him re-election, and then voted for another tax hike in '93, which cost them the '94 election. Then, we had record economic growth under Clinton, which decreased the deficit even more.

I noticed that you didn't highlight the part of the chart where the Republicans controlled both the Congress and the Presidency. You also ignored the decades under Johnson, Eisenhower, JFK, Nixon and Carter when the Dems controlled the Congress. Look at those trends then, bitch.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: WTL is a tool ()
Date: March 04, 2009 01:21PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> conVince Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Someone put up the chart with parties in
> control
> > of Kongress instead of presidents, then we can
> get
> > into a discussion of what branch of government
> > spends our money.
>
> The deficit went down in the 90s because
> Congressional Democrats first forced Bush 41 into
> accepting a tax hike, which cost him re-election,
> and then voted for another tax hike in '93, which
> cost them the '94 election. Then, we had record
> economic growth under Clinton, which decreased the
> deficit even more.
>
> I noticed that you didn't highlight the part of
> the chart where the Republicans controlled both
> the Congress and the Presidency. You also ignored
> the decades under Johnson, Eisenhower, JFK, Nixon
> and Carter when the Dems controlled the Congress.
> Look at those trends then, bitch.


Wake the "F" up people! You talk your petty partisan BS all day and forget to see the real cause of our problems- GOVERNMENT. Stop cheering for one side or the other, R VS D, this isn't a f'ing sporting event. Your marriage to your party and their ideology is what enslaves you. Throw off the chains of oppression and get a fucking clue!!!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Date: March 04, 2009 01:29PM

WTL is a tool Wrote:
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>
>
> Wake the "F" up people! You talk your petty
> partisan BS all day and forget to see the real
> cause of our problems- GOVERNMENT. Stop cheering
> for one side or the other, R VS D, this isn't a
> f'ing sporting event. Your marriage to your party
> and their ideology is what enslaves you. Throw
> off the chains of oppression and get a fucking
> clue!!!


I don't buy this crap that government IS the problem (as Reagan said). Just like I don't believe corporations are inherently evil.

The reality is, as Adam Smith observed, that people act in their own self-interest. When people act in their own self-interest society, usually, benefits more than if people are acting altruistically.

However, when people start breaking the law or skirting the rules for their own self-interest, it is no longer a matter of economics. It is a matter of unethical and sometimes immoral behavior.

I believe in the market, but there needs to be rules. For instance, you can't walk into a market and take something without paying for it. That's why we have police. That is the role of government. Without that, you have anarchy which creates an environment where markets can't operate efficiently.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Predator Obama ()
Date: March 04, 2009 01:31PM

Unless the people at the top make and pass laws that keep them at the top at the expense of all others. The way the republicans and their buddies in big business seems to have done by not regulating the markets. AIG being "Too Big To Fail" WTF is that? Sounds like a monopoly since its at the hub of so many different and important legs of the financial system.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gipper ()
Date: March 04, 2009 02:01PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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>
>
> I don't buy this crap that government IS the
> problem (as Reagan said). Just like I don't
> believe corporations are inherently evil.

No. Government is not the problem. Channeling government authority for narrow interests is, however, a problem. When government serves the people first, it is functioning properly. It isn't functioning properly anymore.

Corporations are not inherently evil. However, some corporations exert undue power over laws and regulations and markets. That is not evil, but it is not healthy to a free society.


>
> The reality is, as Adam Smith observed, that
> people act in their own self-interest. When people
> act in their own self-interest society, usually,
> benefits more than if people are acting
> altruistically.
>
> However, when people start breaking the law or
> skirting the rules for their own self-interest, it
> is no longer a matter of economics. It is a matter
> of unethical and sometimes immoral behavior.
>
> I believe in the market, but there needs to be
> rules. For instance, you can't walk into a market
> and take something without paying for it. That's
> why we have police. That is the role of
> government. Without that, you have anarchy which
> creates an environment where markets can't operate
> efficiently.

But we do not live in a world where our only two options are complete corporate control over government or pure unadulterated anarchy.

There is no balance of power, there is no checks and balances. There isn't even a pendulum anymore. It's all in the hands of those who have the most money to spend to buy the rules and laws that benefit them.

People can spin their wheels arguing back and forth about whether it was the republicans or democrats who caused the financial crisis, but the reality is that the game was rigged by the people who had the most money and influence in order to best serve their interests, and they paid off republicans and democrats and independents and anyone in a position to affect laws that impede or influence their ability to make money.

Government is not bad. Hijacked government that serves narrow interests, however, is destructive and benefits only a few at the expense of the many. Corporations are benign in the whole. Corporations that exercise undue and disproportionate power are destructive. You have to not just look at the general, but see the specifics. Just because some corporations are evil doesn't make all of them evil, and just because all corporations are not evil doesn't mean that none of them are.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: March 04, 2009 07:08PM

WE wont really know the extent of the Bush Legacy until decades from now until we see the long term effects of his presidency. Too much speculation too soon. Although that recently published list was pretty amusing that slotted him LOW on successful presidencies.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 04, 2009 08:48PM

ferfux Wrote:
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> WE wont really know the extent of the Bush Legacy
> until decades from now until we see the long term
> effects of his presidency. Too much speculation
> too soon. Although that recently published list
> was pretty amusing that slotted him LOW on
> successful presidencies.


holy shit, he actually said something insightful.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: dono ()
Date: March 04, 2009 09:04PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> ferfux Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WE wont really know the extent of the Bush
> Legacy
> > until decades from now until we see the long
> term
> > effects of his presidency. Too much
> speculation
> > too soon. Although that recently published
> list
> > was pretty amusing that slotted him LOW on
> > successful presidencies.
>
> holy shit, he actually said something insightful.


I think this is by far the most level-headed support of 'historical perspective' on this issue I have come across to date...
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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: San Fran Nan ()
Date: March 04, 2009 09:20PM

This is dead-on, and I am a liberal...


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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Palomino ()
Date: March 04, 2009 09:43PM

San Fran Nan Wrote:
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> This is dead-on, and I am a liberal...
>
>No, Gravis you are not but that was funny as shit...

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: poiuhbhuo ()
Date: March 08, 2009 08:40PM

George W Bush was a good president.He had our safety as his first priority.What would be saying now if the arabs really had a h bomb.Remember that iran is trying to make one so that they can use it on us.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: funny ()
Date: March 08, 2009 09:02PM

poiuhbhuo Wrote:
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> George W Bush was a good president.He had our
> safety as his first priority.What would be saying
> now if the arabs really had a h bomb.Remember that
> iran is trying to make one so that they can use it
> on us.

GW was a dumb ass that ran the country into the ground. He managed to jump the National Debt from 5T to 10T in 8yrs with little to show for it.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Rethinking him ()
Date: April 27, 2009 12:23AM

Bush was dealt a bad hand to begin with...Obama inherited one,but he's not doing the right thing in this situation. He ran up more debt than bush. I think historians will hold bush in a positive light for his security issues and his steadfastness. Obama has a plague on his hands, and doesn't know what to do.

Bush = experienced

obam= in experienced

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: April 27, 2009 01:31AM

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 27, 2009 07:18AM

When democracies have to afraid of telling the truth....we are no longer a free society.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Bull Connor ()
Date: April 27, 2009 04:49PM

Hey, anyone who makes dim-witted libs that angry can't be ALL bad!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Sha-Lama-Lama-Ding-Dong ()
Date: April 27, 2009 05:05PM

Bull Sh!tter,

Who is your leader?

Can you still use the words "Republican" and "leader" in a sentence and not have people laugh at your expense?
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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: King ()
Date: April 27, 2009 05:09PM

I think that Bush was a good president...not the best, but definitely in the top 80%

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Mullets and Gullets ()
Date: April 27, 2009 05:12PM

Yeah. The 80% of what floats to the top of Don's Johns.

This guy is clearly a Republican.
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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Real Amerika ()
Date: April 29, 2009 07:17PM

At least Bush stood for something. Obama stands for whatever Nancy Pelosi whispers in his ear.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 29, 2009 07:45PM

Real Amerika Wrote:
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> At least Bush stood for something. Obama stands
> for whatever Nancy Pelosi whispers in his ear.

At least you know who you are..an Amerikan...thats more then most do.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: April 30, 2009 12:34AM

Vince(1) said:

"At least you know who you are..an Amerikan...thats more then most do."
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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Slinky ()
Date: May 27, 2009 12:00AM

Bush would have NEVER fumbled the way Obama has been fumbling over the last few months now. He held North Korea in their place. Obama can hardly juggle his multiple wars now without risking a raid on Seoul. Obama is screwed either way.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: West Wing ()
Date: May 27, 2009 01:13AM

Slinky Wrote:
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> Bush would have NEVER fumbled the way Obama has
> been fumbling over the last few months now. He
> held North Korea in their place. Obama can hardly
> juggle his multiple wars now without risking a
> raid on Seoul. Obama is screwed either way.

fumbling? What color is the sky in your World? He has had to clean up all the Republican shit left over from the Bush administration. Republicans need to graduate high school before trying to run a country.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: West Wing ()
Date: May 27, 2009 01:21AM

Perhaps you don't remember the Bush legacy?

1) Stock market down 40%, retirement funds gone
2) Banking industry in shambles
3) US car industry destroyed and bankrupt
4) Housing industry tanked
5) Gas $4.00 a gallon
6) National Debt increased by 30%
7) Rebuilding two Islamic countries with tax payer dollars
8) Airline industry supported by tax payer dollars

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Stinkfist ()
Date: May 27, 2009 01:54AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Johnathan Wrote:
> >>> I wasn't a fan of George Bush for awhile, but
> you know...in retrospect, things weren't really so
> bad.
>
>
> I voted for George W. Bush in '00, and thought he
> was an OK president until it was clear we weren't
> ever going to find WMD in Iraq. Everything went
> down hill after that, including our economy. And
> now we got shit like Joe the Plumber and Sarah
> Palin struggling for the spotlight.
>
> In retrospect, the GOP is pretty fucking dumb.


As are the people that elected them. neener neener neener.

I supported Bush in 04, too. I was too young to vote but I would have gone Bush. Looking back I think: What decent options did voters have?

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: OMGers ()
Date: May 27, 2009 10:44AM

Bush went into Iraq for one reason, to kill Saddam for his Dad.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Slug Trails ()
Date: May 27, 2009 03:00PM

OMGers Wrote:
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> Bush went into Iraq for one reason, to kill
> Saddam for his Dad.


No, we went in to liberate Iraq from a terrorist dictatorship that had ties to al queda and 9/11. Killed 10 birds with 1 stone.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 27, 2009 03:03PM

Slug Trails Wrote:
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> OMGers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bush went into Iraq for one reason, to kill
> > Saddam for his Dad.
>
>
> No, we went in to liberate Iraq from a terrorist
> dictatorship that had ties to al queda and 9/11.
> Killed 10 birds with 1 stone.


No thats not practical. There were no WPD there were no ties to al queda or 911 terrorists. We went in there to destabilize a dictatorship and or overthrow his regime and set up a US friendly democracy in the Middle east so we would have more than just Israel in that region on "our" side AND to get our hands on all that plentiful oil.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Date: May 27, 2009 03:06PM

Slug Trails Wrote:
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>
>
> No, we went in to liberate Iraq from a terrorist
> dictatorship that had ties to al queda and 9/11.
> Killed 10 birds with 1 stone.


It was more like we used 10 stones to kill 1 bird and we missed (Osama Bin Laden).

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Slug Trails ()
Date: May 27, 2009 03:08PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Slug Trails Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > OMGers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Bush went into Iraq for one reason, to kill
> > > Saddam for his Dad.
> >
> >
> > No, we went in to liberate Iraq from a
> terrorist
> > dictatorship that had ties to al queda and
> 9/11.
> > Killed 10 birds with 1 stone.
>
>
> No thats not practical. There were no WPD there
> were no ties to al queda or 911 terrorists. We
> went in there to destabilize a dictatorship and or
> overthrow his regime and set up a US friendly
> democracy in the Middle east so we would have more
> than just Israel in that region on "our" side AND
> to get our hands on all that plentiful oil.


SO IF WE HAVE ALL THIS "OIL", why was gas $4 a gallon last year? Oh yea..That's all Bush's fault, right? Yup...so many contradictions with you liberals it makes me ill.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 27, 2009 03:12PM

Slug Trails Wrote:
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>
> SO IF WE HAVE ALL THIS "OIL", why was gas $4 a
> gallon last year? Oh yea..That's all Bush's fault,
> right? Yup...so many contradictions with you
> liberals it makes me ill.


Because the Bush administration Cluster fucked the whole thing up. Oil hit $147 because of extreme markets same as the housing bubbles. The price of oil and or gasoline isnt being supported nor was EVER effected by who is in office. The president doesnt have ANY control over that shit. Gas is at $62 dollars a barrel right now and supposedly consumption is WAY off and refineries are swimming in surpluses right? So if Millions of people arent driving to work cuz they dont have jobs then why is gas at $2 + dollars a gallon STILL? because the gas companies are making up for a shortfall in profits, the HIGHT profits they were making last year by slowing refining NOW and making the people who are STILL able to buy gas and drive make up the differance. Its all just economics of business.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: May 27, 2009 03:20PM

Yah, you can thank 1.25 billion chinese for the run up in commodities pricing. They have an insatiatible appetite for any raw material - oil, gas, copper, steel scrap, iron ore, zinc, etc. The run up in demand has placed pricing pressures on everything.

Once the surge was set in motion, speculative futures buying ran things up even higher.

We could solve the problem, but it would take a lot of atomic weaponry.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: § ()
Date: May 27, 2009 05:19PM

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: May 27, 2009 05:20PM

who's thumb is that on the baby?

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: § ()
Date: May 27, 2009 06:27PM

Probably the father. Or a GOP pedophile.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Silver Bullet ()
Date: June 03, 2009 04:46PM

Why is Obama back in Saudi Arabia? Bush would have never bowed to him, nor come back for visits. I didn't like Bush at the time, but we need a strong leader, not one who only does photo ops and hangs out with Brad Pitt and George Clooney

Somebody who can stand up to Putin
Somebody who can stand up to Hu Jin Tao
Somebody who can stand up to Vicente Fox's illegal immigrants

BUSH WE CAN!

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 03, 2009 05:27PM

Yes, Bush did. And then some.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: slinky ()
Date: June 03, 2009 11:07PM

Well, if you really think about it, our country was strongest under bush. we had more military bases, military prisons, and outposts covering the world than ANY EMPIRE EVER!Obama wants to scale that back. I say HAIL Caesar! We need a strong, alpha male to lead us, not a negro muslim. The world laughs at us now. at least under bush nobody laughed at us...they were too afraid....and we like it that way ;-)

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: ramsey ()
Date: June 03, 2009 11:13PM

slinky Wrote:
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> Well, if you really think about it, our country
> was strongest under bush. we had more military
> bases, military prisons, and outposts covering the
> world than ANY EMPIRE EVER!Obama wants to scale
> that back. I say HAIL Caesar! We need a strong,
> alpha male to lead us, not a negro muslim. The
> world laughs at us now. at least under bush nobody
> laughed at us...they were too afraid....and we
> like it that way ;-)


People like you makes me want to support forced abortions.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: slinky ()
Date: June 03, 2009 11:24PM

ramsey Wrote:
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> slinky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, if you really think about it, our country
> > was strongest under bush. we had more military
> > bases, military prisons, and outposts covering
> the
> > world than ANY EMPIRE EVER!Obama wants to scale
> > that back. I say HAIL Caesar! We need a strong,
> > alpha male to lead us, not a negro muslim. The
> > world laughs at us now. at least under bush
> nobody
> > laughed at us...they were too afraid....and we
> > like it that way ;-)
>
>
> People like you makes me want to support forced
> abortions.


People like YOU, with your "San Francisco values" and "Overseas Contingency Operations" make me want to crap in a bucket, swirl it around, and splash it in your FACE.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: ramsey ()
Date: June 03, 2009 11:40PM

slinky Wrote:
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>
> People like YOU, with your "San Francisco values"
> and "Overseas Contingency Operations" make me want
> to crap in a bucket, swirl it around, and splash
> it in your FACE.

Or pretty much what monkeys enjoy doing.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 04, 2009 07:13AM

slinky Wrote:
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> Well, if you really think about it, our country
> was strongest under bush. we had more military
> bases, military prisons, and outposts covering the
> world than ANY EMPIRE EVER!Obama wants to scale
> that back. I say HAIL Caesar! We need a strong,
> alpha male to lead us, not a negro muslim. The
> world laughs at us now. at least under bush nobody
> laughed at us...they were too afraid....and we
> like it that way ;-)


The money necessary to support your empire of terror is unsustainable. We do not manufacture anything of value any more.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: slinky ()
Date: June 04, 2009 09:57AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> slinky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, if you really think about it, our country
> > was strongest under bush. we had more military
> > bases, military prisons, and outposts covering
> the
> > world than ANY EMPIRE EVER!Obama wants to scale
> > that back. I say HAIL Caesar! We need a strong,
> > alpha male to lead us, not a negro muslim. The
> > world laughs at us now. at least under bush
> nobody
> > laughed at us...they were too afraid....and we
> > like it that way ;-)
>
>
> The money necessary to support your empire of
> terror is unsustainable. We do not manufacture
> anything of value any more.

Yes we do. We create top engineers, CEOs, and military hardware.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 04, 2009 11:52AM

as well as all the major technological advancements.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 04, 2009 12:01PM

slinky Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > slinky Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Well, if you really think about it, our
> country
> > > was strongest under bush. we had more
> military
> > > bases, military prisons, and outposts
> covering
> > the
> > > world than ANY EMPIRE EVER!Obama wants to
> scale
> > > that back. I say HAIL Caesar! We need a
> strong,
> > > alpha male to lead us, not a negro muslim.
> The
> > > world laughs at us now. at least under bush
> > nobody
> > > laughed at us...they were too afraid....and
> we
> > > like it that way ;-)
> >
> >
> > The money necessary to support your empire of
> > terror is unsustainable. We do not manufacture
> > anything of value any more.
>
> Yes we do. We create top engineers, CEOs, and
> military hardware.


We actually import many of our engeners and doctors...nurses from foreign countries. Oh boy...we are the world's military hardware provider...isnt that great....seems a little hypocritical when we criticise North korea for exporting nuclear technology.

CEOs...oh boy..are you talking about those over paid...golden parachute geniouses that ruined this country's manufacturing base?

http://www.americafront.com/news/23/engineers_and_the_rise_of_china.html
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/04/if-we-want-more-renewable-energy-in-the-u-s-wont-we-need-more-engineers

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 04, 2009 01:53PM

Never thought I'd say this, but +1 to Vince(1).

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Soaring Eagle ()
Date: June 04, 2009 04:14PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> as well as all the major technological
> advancements.


Don't forget we invented the turbine, the peanutbutter, and the space shuttle. We put the first man in space, liberated hundreds of countries, and beat imperial Spain, England, Japan, Germany, and a few others at their own game. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT BABY! LOVE-IT-OR-LEAVE-IT.

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 04, 2009 04:29PM

Soaring Eagle Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > as well as all the major technological
> > advancements.
>
>
> Don't forget we invented the turbine, the
> peanutbutter, and the space shuttle. We put the
> first man in space, liberated hundreds of
> countries, and beat imperial Spain, England,
> Japan, Germany, and a few others at their own
> game. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT BABY!
> LOVE-IT-OR-LEAVE-IT.

When all you can talk about is the past...you are the past.

Does anyone know how our astronauts are going to get to the space station now that the shuttles are being grounded?

Anyone care to guess the next country to land on the moon?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: June 04, 2009 04:38PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> Anyone care to guess the next country to land on
> the moon?


Mexico....they sent a killer whale to the moon for only $200.

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Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: June 04, 2009 04:40PM

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 04, 2009 04:56PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Anyone care to guess the next country to land on
> > the moon?
>
> Mexico....they sent a killer whale to the moon for
> only $200.


that is definitely the best post in this thread.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Rethinking George W. Bush
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 04, 2009 05:28PM

My nomination for best Vince(1) quote in the thread goes to:

"When all you can talk about is the past...you are the past."

I mean. What. The. Fuck?

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