"...because sometimes the wind doesn't blow."

Maybe he doesn't believe in rain or snow or night time or day time either because sometimes it's sunny or summer or day time or nigh time or whatever.

Perhaps there are more progressive technologies other than the AD 500 windmills?

Fracking is a current technology that has reduced green house, global warming, climate change, etc, whatever word libtards want to use, more than any other technology in decades.

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> other than the AD 500 windmills?

I can assure you that no one in the year 500 was using windmills to generate electrical current.

Fancy that, Trump doesn't believe in wind energy.

rump has owned megayachts (before they were taken in a bankruptcy by Arab buyers) but has never been on a sail boat that uses wind energy.

And yet Trump has hurricane shutters on his Mar a Lago golf resort where he employs illegal alien workers.

And Trump throws paper towels at Puerto Rican Hurricane survivors who lost their homes to wind damage.

Wind energy? What you talking bout Willis?

Neither does EIA...




Yes, I understand you twats have no idea what you're talking about or what this says.


#UnicornFarts

Trump is a huge hot wind energy source.

It ruins views from golf courses. Personally I think windmills are beautiful gigantic machinery being powered by nature. Don't know why people say they ruin views. Its probably one of the most gorgeous displays of kinetic energy being transformed into potential energy. Unless there is a way to witness a hydroelectric turbine at work.



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Windmills will look like this more efficient design.
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> Windmills will look like this more efficient
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Can paki's design something like that?

wind turbines have NOT been what obama types said they'd be, cost wise

it's not that they're inherently bad. it's that the idea a running leap into designing them and installing them "just anywhere" would be good for anyone but politically picked contractors? they knew it would not work that way.

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California's wind mills are all government run / federal money.

the power company did not install them to provide power for a paying area. check your facts

federal wind power, is what the discussion is

The federal production tax credit (PTC) for wind energy producers has cost the U.S. government billions of dollars in revenues, distorted energy markets, and benefited just a few large corporations, a new study reports.

The federal government imposed the PTC in 1992 in an effort to promote renewable energy. The PTC, currently 1.9 cents per kilowatt hour for the first 10 years of a wind farm’s operations, has been extended several times by Congress. It is scheduled to begin phasing out at the end of 2019. The PTC and tax depreciation allowances cover more than 50 percent of the capital costs of a typical wind facility.

Billions for a Few

Between 2007 and 2016, just 15 parent companies accounted for more than three-fourths of all PTC eligibility, raking in more than $19 billion from the program between 2007 and 2016, the study by the Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) found.

The biggest recipient of PTC largesse is NextEra Energy, the nation’s largest wind power producer, with approximately 10,000 wind turbines and annual revenues of $17.5 billion, reports the study by TPPF Senior Fellow Angela Erickson. More than $5.7 billion in taxpayer dollars flowed to NextEra Energy courtesy of the PTC between 2007 and 2016, making NextEra “one of the most subsidized Fortune 500 companies,” writes Erickson.

‘Web of Government Incentives’

The $14 billion wind industry in the United States benefits from numerous types of government support and incentives, the study shows.

“[T]he industry operates within a web of government incentives—from subsidies, to loan guarantees, to various other federal, state, and local government incentives,” Erickson writes. In 2017 alone, the nation’s taxpayers had to make up $4.2 billion in foregone revenues solely due to the PTC, the study notes.

Over the decades, the PTC has caused market distortions, including instances of “negative pricing,” where producers operate wind turbines when the electricity they provide is not needed, simply to receive PTC revenue.

“The PTC’s $24 per megawatt-hour credit sometimes results in wind energy producers paying electricity suppliers to take their energy rather than turning off wind turbines during surplus energy hours (e.g., early mornings when people are sleeping),” the study states. “By keeping wind turbines running, producers will receive the tax credit even though the grid does not need the energy. The resulting low prices may harm the reliability of the grid by reducing the incentives for investing in energies that can supply baseline generation.”

Racing to Start

With the PTC set to be phased out by the end of 2019, companies are in an aggressive race to erect as many wind turbines as possible across the nation. Corporations that start construction of wind facilities before December 31, 2019 will continue to receive PTC tax credit payments until December 2029.

As a result, “the federal government will transfer at least an additional $48 billion in PTC subsidies to owners or financiers of commercial wind farms,” through 2029, Erickson reports.

NextEra Energy, Inc. is a Fortune 200 energy company with about 45,900 megawatts of generating capacity, revenues of over $17 billion in 2017.


#WallStreetLovesDumbLibs

if you think the cost of heave gauge COPPER (or Al) to hook all these up these buckers is nothing ... THINK AGAIN

the "good" wind mills cost $1.4 million EACH, you'll need 2,625 of them to replace a big power plant

$3.674,530,000 (that's over 3.5 billion dollars NOT INCLUDING hookup, installation, and BASE STATION (the base station is the same or more as a power plant's similar unit))

AND 3,937 acres of land you'll need - you may need another $20,000,000 - possibly discounted if farming between them is considered possible

they can have and engineering bug or fail and if they do: your out way more than $3.7 Billion all said and done

an engineering bug can be worse than a failure, if you spend time and money chasing it then only to see in hind sight the extra maintenance cost is killing the cost sheets

"what could go wrong?"

(ps, nuclear plants are NOT free of cost over-run, so there is a little un-fairness)

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Windmills will look like this more efficient
> design.


Someone who knows what it is they are talking about knows those are not more efficient designs.

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I SAID YOUR LYING LIKE HELL

what is this secret OTHER RENEWABLES that is more efficient than nuclear ??

afraid to say what OTHER is so people won't know your lying?

Fusion is on the way baby. Then your oil will be worthless. As will your gas. Heat pumps galore.

i had no idea NG was beating coal - many states have opted for them in the recent past

it took 1,793 NG plants to equal the power of 400 coal plants. hmmm.

it takes roughly 1,500 NG plants to equal 60 nuclear plants

roughtly 4,000 hydro dams to equal 60 nuclear

roughtly 4,000 wind generators** to equal 60 nuclear is a LIE

roughtly 44,000 wind generators** to equal 60 nuclear would be lucky i imagine

(this is likely a lie by the web host promoting wind power - a 1.5 Mw wind generator does NOT generate 1.5 Mw on average - because the wind doesn't blow)

solar "plants" provide so little power i'm not even guessing the number

ask how many panels that is - i'd say in the billions of panels to replace "big bad corporate evil energy". you'd be shot in the head by angry citizens when the bills came in - just a guess

HAWAII is over 2/3 powered by OIL. super tankers have to visit the island or they go dark.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/power-plants/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.258844bd75ef

the source of the above NON-FACTS

was Washington Post

FAKE NEWS CENTRAL, ILLEGAL ALIENS TRYING TO F'UP USA**, ET AL

with fake information, propaganda, criminal enterprise

omg we have been over this shit a thousand times. This is why the Chinese are taking over this shit. Here we go again with old fucks running their mouths.

Explain how this is economically feasible.
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give me your tired and poor wind turbines, i'll vaporize them all

omg look at the size of that coal plant

Coal is dead. Trump killed it. You didn't hear? Its the least cost effective means of energy there is retard.

China's three gorges dam generates

over 22 Mw of power (USA's largest is 7,250, which is 1/2 the size of Brazil's)

CHINA has several other mega dams they've been able to invest in

the coal jobs are waiting, just move up to WV and see how great America is being made again by Trump

note there may be some foolery with numbers though

for instance: us has a nuclear plant of 3,942 Mw that generates 32.846 in a year Twh/yr

BUT us has a 7,000 Mw dam that generates 20 Tw/h per year

(so, Mw is not a good guide. annual hours produced is - and plants don't all publish that)


2. Itaipu Dam Brazil Paraguay 14,000 103.09 Hydro

may be the winner for power actually generated annually (by wikipedia) by a single plant

asians talk allot of crap telling to go solar, but, "made in taiwan" is not made by solar. it's made by the largest power plant in the world and burns coal

but i hear they're going green ! or yellow maybe.

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van gogh painted the scene in french "coal barges", a france coal plant in the mid 1800's ran dirty and changed the color of the sunset there to a strange color (every night during certain seasons it was that color - not just one day)

Russian nuclear power plants produced 180.5 terawatt hours of electricity last year, a new record, Rosenergoatom said today. Output surpassed the federal target of 168.3 TWh on 11 December and Rosatom's goal of 175 TWh on 21-22 December. The most important achievement in 2014 was the connection to the grid of unit 3 of the Rostov nuclear power plant, on 27 December, Rosenergoatom said.

oops no, Russia beats brazil by a allot here

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Explain how this is economically feasible.

* fairfax county gov offers an incentive to install solar

* the money is federal money and democrats voted it in

* the contractors are all illegal aliens

* the panels are all made in china

* walmart sells only things made in china, and NYC made deals with china for exclusive sales where china wouldn't have usa goods near theirs

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screw off gerrymanderer2 !!!

hyper mileing can save you %50 on your gas bill

? i want to save money gettin milk, my car is not very fuel efficient

? can i save gas by buying a fuel efficient vehicle or by upgrading one ?

? what is my budget (in gas not burned saved dollars) and assume i cannot sell the other car (needed for work)

? are there any ultra efficient vehicles purchased in the saved fuel like green peace says there will be ?

there were few cost over-runs on China huge array of power plants

(i bet that's not true)

Change? Change?

the only change since clinton has been DOUBLING THE FUEL BURNED. the percentage change in types of power - a myth. hardly changed

how that hope and change stuff doing for ya?

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it's stuffy in here, turn up the A/C

"Do You Need a Thermostat Lock Box ?"

how fast can you make about 2 billion of them?

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(cooling is the #1 power consumer in the USA)



a government worker obviously

Whooda Thunkit Wrote:
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> "...because sometimes the wind doesn't blow."
>
> Maybe he doesn't believe in rain or snow or night
> time or day time either because sometimes it's
> sunny or summer or day time or nigh time or
> whatever.


Trump is just a brazen, stupid and pompous turkey who thanks to hype was able to earn millions and become president and now he does not even do anything to cure coronavirus ... So I'm surprised ... Wind power is one of the coolest projects today and this idea is widely used, but the problem is that it is a rather ineffective project. It would be much cooler to use geothermal heat to generate energy because it is a completely inexhaustible source of energy. I recently decided to read more about this and came across a very detailed and interesting blog of an entrepreneur and scientist. It turns out that if we still learn to add energy from the core of the planet, then we will never have problems with energy, but it is really very difficult. If you're interested, you can read about it at https://renewablepedia.com/answers-about-geothermal-energy/.

Green deal this BITCHES
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Sebastrue Wrote:
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> Whooda Thunkit Wrote:
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> > "...because sometimes the wind doesn't blow."
> >
> > Maybe he doesn't believe in rain or snow or
> night
> > time or day time either because sometimes it's
> > sunny or summer or day time or nigh time or
> > whatever.
>
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> Trump is just a brazen, stupid and pompous turkey
> who thanks to hype was able to earn millions and
> become president and now he does not even do
> anything to cure coronavirus ... So I'm surprised
> ... Wind power is one of the coolest projects
> today and this idea is widely used, but the
> problem is that it is a rather ineffective
> project. It would be much cooler to use geothermal
> heat to generate energy because it is a completely
> inexhaustible source of energy. I recently decided
> to read more about this and came across a very
> detailed and interesting blog of an entrepreneur
> and scientist. It turns out that if we still learn
> to add energy from the core of the planet, then we
> will never have problems with energy, but it is
> really very difficult. If you're interested, you
> can read about it at href="https://renewablepedia.com/answers-about-geo
> thermal-energy/">https://renewablepedia.com/answer
> s-about-geothermal-energy/.

I don't give two fucking shits about how cool everything is to you.

Keep your hands off my wallet. Fuck your feelgood.

dottard thinks the noise causes cancer. He is an idiot.

Ahahah, are you serious? :) The fact is that Trump is a moron who does not see beyond his own nose and does not believe in progressive society and modern technology. In many countries, we see that wind energy works perfectly and green energy is our future. In addition, it is very beneficial for consumers! I used to pay very large electricity bills, but then I decided to stop it when I found out about the tariff comparison plan at usave.co.uk. Then I immediately decided to change the supplier and find another company to get clean green energy!

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> Ahahah, are you serious? :) The fact is that Trump is a moron who does not see beyond his own nose and does not believe in progressive society and modern technology. In many countries, we see that wind energy works perfectly and green energy is our future. In addition, it is very beneficial for consumers! I used to pay very large electricity bills, but then I decided to stop it when I found out about the tariff comparison plan at usave.co.uk. Then I immediately decided to change the supplier and find another company to get clean green energy!
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