BAGHDAD, Iraq (Jan. 31) -- Four thousand women are running for office in Iraq's provincial elections Saturday, and many of them will be guaranteed seats under an electoral quota system.
Regardless of the votes their candidates receive, parties are required to give every third seat to a woman, according to a report this week from the International Crisis Group.

Maybe we need to do the same in this country.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> BAGHDAD, Iraq (Jan. 31) -- Four thousand women are
> running for office in Iraq's provincial elections
> Saturday, and many of them will be guaranteed
> seats under an electoral quota system.
> Regardless of the votes their candidates receive,
> parties are required to give every third seat to a
> woman, according to a report this week from the
> International Crisis Group.
>
> Maybe we need to do the same in this country.


Maybe you should get some estrogen shots and call it a day pussy.

From what I read in The Economist, the quota is 25% women.

I'm still trying to figure out how you work that out with popular votes.

What do you do? Do you give every 4th seat to the woman candidate even if she only got 1% of the vote? Do you count up the number of males versus the number of females and then if there are less than 25% women, do you give the winning votes to enough of the highest vote getting women to meet that "quota"?

Or do you just scratch the entire election and keep trying until it somehow magically works out to 25% women?

It sounds like a noble goal, but it doesn't make sense in a democratic election to say that regardless of how people vote, there must be 25% women (or blacks, hispanics, blue-eyed people, brown-haired people, whatever.)


If this idiotic plan works out well for Iraq, yeah, we should do the same in this country. Let's say the quota should be 10% of the legislature should be people with blue eyes. 10% should be people of scottish descent. 10% should be people who have elderly parents in nursing homes. 10% should be those under 25, and 10% those over 50. We should also require other traits or demographic criteria, and just stop worrying about that messy thing called the will of the people, as indicated by who they vote for.

I can't even see how you could require 25% of the CANDIDATES to be from whatever group, let alone 25% of those elected.

conVince Wrote:
> Maybe you should get some estrogen shots and call
> it a day pussy.

lol..poor ConVince...he now understands what we'vve been fighting for...

I assure you the real conVince didn't write that. I guess it is time to register the name.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> Maybe we need to do the same in this country.


Sure, undermine a politician's credibility by putting her in a position based upon her sex instead of her qualifications/votes. I am vehemently opposed to affirmative action. I admit that without a concerted effort to create workplace diversity, women and minorities may continue to have less executive level positions for another few decades. However, I never want anyone to question what I've earned. And so I'm willing to accept that the Old Boys Club may take awhile to disintegrate.

Caroline Kennedy should move to Iraq. Maybe she could buy a Senate seat.

Genevieve Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> -----
> >
> > Maybe we need to do the same in this country.
>
>
> Sure, undermine a politician's credibility by
> putting her in a position based upon her sex
> instead of her qualifications/votes. I am
> vehemently opposed to affirmative action. I admit
> that without a concerted effort to create
> workplace diversity, women and minorities may
> continue to have less executive level positions
> for another few decades. However, I never want
> anyone to question what I've earned. And so I'm
> willing to accept that the Old Boys Club may take
> awhile to disintegrate.


And your opinion on a women's right to choose?

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> And your opinion on a women's right to choose?


I think that an abortion must be thought through very carefully, because of the emotional impact and because it should not be used in place of birth control... but I do believe that a woman should have control over her body. And I don't think she should have to resort to illegal, dangerous methods to do so. Therefore, I support a woman's right to choose.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Maybe we need to do the same in this country.

Genderocracy, the basis of any good government.

conVince Wrote:
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> I assure you the real conVince didn't write that.
> I guess it is time to register the name.


You're upset because someone is mocking your moniker? Hello pot?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 12:58AM by Alias.

Alias Wrote:
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> Genevieve wrote:
>
> "I think that an abortion must be thought through
> very carefully, because of the emotional impact
> and because it should not be used in place of
> birth control... but I do believe that a woman
> should have control over her body. And I don't
> think she should have to resort to illegal,
> dangerous methods to do so. Therefore, I support a
> woman's right to choose."
> __________________
>
> Do you think the father should have equal rights
> regarding the termination of his baby?


No!

Women were allowed to run for office, and be in political office before we invaded.

Alias Wrote:
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> __________________
>
> Do you think the father should have equal rights
> regarding the termination of his baby?


No. He had the right to put on a rubber. When he gave up that right, he gave up his rights regarding what the woman does with his sperm.

kettle calling Wrote:
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> conVince Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I assure you the real conVince didn't write
> that.
> > I guess it is time to register the name.
>
>
> You're upset because someone is mocking your
> moniker? Hello pot?

Not at all. Making a name that is clever isn't the same as just posting with the same name as someone else. I was simply telling Vince that it wasn't the real me posting loser crap like that. I have never called Vince a name other than demokrat.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > __________________
> >
> > Do you think the father should have equal
> rights
> > regarding the termination of his baby?
>
>
> No. He had the right to put on a rubber. When he
> gave up that right, he gave up his rights
> regarding what the woman does with his sperm.

Legally? No. Ethically? I think that the father should be informed and be part of the decision making process. But that ultimately it is still the mother's choice.

I don't necessarily believe my view to be fair to the father, but I think it is a better solution than putting a woman in a position that she may be forced to carry an unwanted child. And I would argue that this can't be an equal rights type thing... there is one father and one mother. If they disagree, you are at an impasse. What happens then? You go to the courts... and delay a decision that needs to be made fairly quickly? Otherwise the fetus becomes viable... and at that point I am no longer an advocate of the right to choose.

conVince Wrote:
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> kettle calling Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > conVince Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I assure you the real conVince didn't write
> > that.
> > > I guess it is time to register the name.
> >
> >
> > You're upset because someone is mocking your
> > moniker? Hello pot?
>
> Not at all. Making a name that is clever isn't
> the same as just posting with the same name as
> someone else. I was simply telling Vince that it
> wasn't the real me posting loser crap like that.
> I have never called Vince a name other than
> demokrat.


Nice story Nixon.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 12:54AM by Alias.

Alias Wrote:
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> Shit, this should go down in FU history books.
> Vince, Washington, Genevieve and Alias agree on
> something.
>
> Next question:
>
> Woman, unwed, goes through with pregnancy and is
> raising baby. (not a drug addict, not abusing
> child, etc.) Should father have equal rights to
> the child?


If he takes financial responsibilities...yes.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Shit, this should go down in FU history books.
> > Vince, Washington, Genevieve and Alias agree on
> > something.
> >
> > Next question:
> >
> > Woman, unwed, goes through with pregnancy and
> is
> > raising baby. (not a drug addict, not abusing
> > child, etc.) Should father have equal rights
> to
> > the child?
>
>
> If he takes financial responsibilities...yes.

Ok, I don't want to take financial responsibility. Does that mean I should be off the hook, since I wanted an abortion in the first place?

Alias Wrote:
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> Shit, this should go down in FU history books.
> Vince, Washington, Genevieve and Alias agree on
> something.
>
> Next question:
>
> Woman, unwed, goes through with pregnancy and is
> raising baby. (not a drug addict, not abusing
> child, etc.) Should father have equal rights to
> the child?


Rights but not equal rights. I believe most court decisions on child custody back this up since statistically they favor the mother.

Even Antonin Scalia says a person doesn't become a person under the law until they are born, so paternal rights follow suit.

Alias Wrote:
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> Next question:
>
> Woman, unwed, goes through with pregnancy and is
> raising baby. (not a drug addict, not abusing
> child, etc.) Should father have equal rights to
> the child?

I'm sure that I could think of several exceptions (child of rape, father initially tried to avoid responsibility, etc)... but generally my answer is yes.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alias Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Shit, this should go down in FU history
> books.
> > > Vince, Washington, Genevieve and Alias agree
> on
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Next question:
> > >
> > > Woman, unwed, goes through with pregnancy and
> > is
> > > raising baby. (not a drug addict, not abusing
> > > child, etc.) Should father have equal
> rights
> > to
> > > the child?
> >
> >
> > If he takes financial responsibilities...yes.
>
> Ok, I don't want to take financial responsibility.
> Does that mean I should be off the hook, since I
> wanted an abortion in the first place?


If you arent holding up your financial responsibilities of being a father...then you dont get to see them either. You gotta take the bad with the good.

That's cool with me. I just want to fuck bitches and not have to accept responsibility as a parent.

Hopefully, you will be appointed to the Supreme Court soon, and can do away with that child support bullshit. I didn't want the kid in the first place, and his mamma's a ho. Why do I have to be involved anymore? She had the choice to keep her legs closed, and she knows she could have gotten pregnant.

Vinke, I approve of your callous disregard for personal accountability. You are now alright in my book.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> Vinke, I approve of your callous disregard for
> personal accountability. You are now alright in
> my book.


You are on a fucking roll today!

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
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> -----
>
> >
> > Vinke, I approve of your callous disregard for
> > personal accountability. You are now alright
> in
> > my book.
>
>
> You are on a fucking roll today!

It's been a bad couple of days.

But seriously, I can't figure out Vinke's train of thought, or how he arrives at these "logical conclusions" of his. If you asked him what color the sky was, he'd say something like, "Tacos."

Actually, he'd say, "Takos," but I don't want to split hairs.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> But seriously, I can't figure out Vinke's train of
> thought, or how he arrives at these "logical
> conclusions" of his. If you asked him what color
> the sky was, he'd say something like, "Tacos."
>
> Actually, he'd say, "Takos," but I don't want to
> split hairs.


Takos is probably a New Age fertility goddess brought about by putting the right crystals together. Vince would never talk badly about Takos.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> That's cool with me. I just want to fuck bitches
> and not have to accept responsibility as a
> parent.
>
> Hopefully, you will be appointed to the Supreme
> Court soon, and can do away with that child
> support bullshit. I didn't want the kid in the
> first place, and his mamma's a ho. Why do I have
> to be involved anymore? She had the choice to
> keep her legs closed, and she knows she could have
> gotten pregnant.
>
> Vinke, I approve of your callous disregard for
> personal accountability. You are now alright in
> my book.


I would suggest that any child would be better off not knowing a "father" with such an attitude. I seem to have struck a nerve....are you not paying child support for a child?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2009 04:16PM by Vince(1).

Just to clarify and state in my own words rather then those of others.

1. I think a women has 100% control over her reproductive rights. If she wants an abortion for any reason..she has the right to an abortion with no say from the husband...boyfriend...sperm donator...rapist.

2. I think a women has the ultimate responsibility for getting/notgetting pregnant. It is her responsibility to ensure she is protected from an unwanted pregnancy. A male provides nothing more then a stud service for the women.

3. A man is not obligated to pay child support for children he did not knowingly help create. Neither is he guaranteed any rights as the father. If he wants to be a father...and the mother agrees...he must bare his share of the financial responsibilities to earn the time and joys of being the father.

Boy, oh boy.

> 1. I think a women has 100% control over her
> reproductive rights. If she wants an abortion for
> any reason..she has the right to an abortion with
> no say from the husband...boyfriend...sperm
> donator...rapist.

Agreed. As the person who has to carry the thing around for nine months and painfully squeeze it out, this is a logical and rational conclusion. You could delve into a lot of the gray areas with this topic, but this should be the basic principle.

> 2. I think a women has the ultimate
> responsibility for getting/notgetting pregnant. It
> is her responsibility to ensure she is protected
> from an unwanted pregnancy. A male provides
> nothing more then a stud service for the women.

You are a fucking moron. I'm going to try that logic on the next girl I fuck without a condom. "What do you mean I should have pulled out? It's not my responsibility. I'm just a stud service."

> 3. A man is not obligated to pay child support
> for children he did not knowingly help create.
> Neither is he guaranteed any rights as the father.
> If he wants to be a father...and the mother
> agrees...he must bare his share of the financial
> responsibilities to earn the time and joys of
> being the father.

You are a fucking moron. If that girl gets pregnant, decides abortion isn't right for her, and comes back to me seeking child support, I'll just say, "But baby, I didn't know I got you pregnant. I don't really have any interest in seeing the kid, so I shouldn't have to assist you with this new financial burden I had a part in. I'm just a stud service. Ask my man Vinke, he'll tell you."

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Boy, oh boy.
>
> > 1. I think a women has 100% control over her
> > reproductive rights. If she wants an abortion
> for
> > any reason..she has the right to an abortion
> with
> > no say from the husband...boyfriend...sperm
> > donator...rapist.
>
> Agreed. As the person who has to carry the thing
> around for nine months and painfully squeeze it
> out, this is a logical and rational conclusion.
> You could delve into a lot of the gray areas with
> this topic, but this should be the basic
> principle.
>
> > 2. I think a women has the ultimate
> > responsibility for getting/notgetting pregnant.
> It
> > is her responsibility to ensure she is
> protected
> > from an unwanted pregnancy. A male provides
> > nothing more then a stud service for the women.
>
> You are a fucking moron. I'm going to try that
> logic on the next girl I fuck without a condom.
> "What do you mean I should have pulled out? It's
> not my responsibility. I'm just a stud service."
>
> > 3. A man is not obligated to pay child support
> > for children he did not knowingly help create.
> > Neither is he guaranteed any rights as the
> father.
> > If he wants to be a father...and the mother
> > agrees...he must bare his share of the
> financial
> > responsibilities to earn the time and joys of
> > being the father.
>
> You are a fucking moron. If that girl gets
> pregnant, decides abortion isn't right for her,
> and comes back to me seeking child support, I'll
> just say, "But baby, I didn't know I got you
> pregnant. I don't really have any interest in
> seeing the kid, so I shouldn't have to assist you
> with this new financial burden I had a part in.
> I'm just a stud service. Ask my man Vinke, he'll
> tell you."


Well..you have an interesting was in twisting things..but allow me to try and explain further.

Item 2....If a women believes one of the two biggest lies a man will tell her...1. I wont cum in your mouth...and 2. I'll pull out in time....well, she is an idiot. A women should always assume a man will lie in such circumstances and never allow a man to not use a condom if she is not on the pill. So..yes she is still responsible for her body..her health. Now if you want to take that as giving you the right to lie to a female you are making love to...well my recommendation to all women is to stay clear of you. You are obviously looking for any opporrtunity to take advantage...lie to women you go to bed with. Just the type of guy that proves my initial point..women should never think men are telling them the truth regarding birth control practices.


Iem 3...I am sure that is exactly what you would say! Thus my conclusion you are less then honest with women regarding your birth control practrices. But yes...a women who in effect lies...or fails to advise her partner that she is not practicing effective birth control....is on her own unless the man is willing to take responsibility. I am sure you would not.

No joke Alias....I am sure my opinion is not the status of the law...I never said it was...but women should assume it is every time they have sex and use no birth control.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2009 07:44PM by Vince(1).

I'm speechless.
Attachments:

Oh..another worthless cartoon genious..just what the world needs...a plagerist who cant explain himself.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 12:50AM by Alias.

I didn't have time to answer before. Now I do.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Well..you have an interesting was in twisting
> things..but allow me to try and explain further.
>
> Item 2....If a women believes one of the two
> biggest lies a man will tell her...1. I wont cum
> in your mouth...and 2. I'll pull out in
> time....well, she is an idiot.

I've told a lot of lies to a lot of girls, but never about that. That's not a case of a woman being an idiot, that's a man being an asshole. If a guy does that to your sister and she gets knocked up, you find him and beat his ass. I would say that I can't believe you have the balls to call me sexist after your statement right there, but it is very clear that you have no balls. In the event that your sister got knocked up by some asshole, you would probably eat some granola and blame the pregnancy on Bush.

> A women should
> always assume a man will lie in such circumstances
> and never allow a man to not use a condom if she
> is not on the pill.

I agree. It's not like trust in a relationship is important or anything.

> So..yes she is still
> responsible for her body..her health.

And men aren't, of course.

> Now if you
> want to take that as giving you the right to lie
> to a female you are making love to...well my
> recommendation to all women is to stay clear of
> you.

I'm just following your fruit loop reasoning, and I'm starting to wonder if you have any firsthand sexual experience.

> You are obviously looking for any
> opporrtunity to take advantage...lie to women you
> go to bed with. Just the type of guy that proves
> my initial point..women should never think men are
> telling them the truth regarding birth control
> practices.

As a man, I accept responsibility for my actions. If I get a girl pregnant, I will take care of the child without the courts saying I have to. However, I really, really do not want to have a kid right now, so I take every precaution I can against it. Maybe you just know a lot of ghetto-ass mother fuckers that knocked a bitch up and sit around whining about their baby mama and the child support digging into their welfare check.

> Iem 3...I am sure that is exactly what you would
> say! Thus my conclusion you are less then honest
> with women regarding your birth control
> practrices. But yes...a women who in effect
> lies...or fails to advise her partner that she is
> not practicing effective birth control....is on
> her own unless the man is willing to take
> responsibility. I am sure you would not.

Even if a woman told me that she was on birth control and just had the shot, I would still either wear a condom or pull out until I could be sure she was telling the truth. I probably want the girl I'm fucking to get pregnant less than she does.

> No joke Alias....I am sure my opinion is not the
> status of the law...I never said it was...but
> women should assume it is every time they have sex
> and use no birth control.

My opinion isn't "status of the law," but I think people should assume they will be killed and eaten when they say retarded things. From now on, Vinke, why don't you just go ahead and assume it is every time you post here?