Enter the R51 Sub-Compact—a modern, concealable pistol with the ability to handle +P factory ammunition. The R51 uses a hammer-fired, Pedersen action with a locked breech and fixed 416 stainless steel barrel. It also features drift-adjustable sights and an aluminum frame with 25 lines-per-inch checkering on the front grip strap.

The standard Remington R51 Sub-Compact will be available Feb. 1, 2014 at a price of $389.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2014/01/02/first-look-remington-r51-sub-compact-pistol/

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/remington-9mm-r51-sub-compact-pistol-the-birth-of-a-new-classic-shot-show-2014/

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=53800
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Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice, yeah!
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What's the capacity?

Stabitha Wrote:
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> What's the capacity?

7+1 more specs here......

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/01/remington-announces-r-51-pistol/

That's a nice price. Nice and small.

Buy something with a .4 in the cal. 9mm is for Navy Seal want to bees.

Rockhound Wrote:
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> That's a nice price. Nice and small.

Yes looks like a good deal. Hopefully not a made in China Remington

Wouldn't surprise me.

Stabitha Wrote:
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> Hopefully not a made
> in China Remington




No such thing. Matter of fact, small arms from China have been banned for import into the US.

I thought I read something about Remi products having China parts used in them...?

Correction: Norinco is specifically banned from the US, not all small arms from China.

The H&R Pardner is a Chinese copy of the Remington 870.

I have an 870 Home Defender 12 gauge. You can use it as a sledgehammer when not shooting it.

Right. Regardless, looks like a good gun for CCW. The link ludwig posted says nothing but good things.

Oldie but goodie

It looks futuristic, like some sort of ray gun. I could do without the cheap looking skeleton trigger though.

Blowguns are awesome
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The Dark Passenger Wrote:
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Yeah baby!

Damn pic too big one sec



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2014 11:21PM by The Dark Passenger.

I have a different kind of blow in mind

Hahaha

1911 style backstrap safety ?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-remington-replace-r51s/


Remington is buying back all R51s sold.


After initial commercial sales, our loyal customers notified us that some R51 pistols had performance issues. We immediately ceased production to re-test the product. While we determined the pistols were safe, certain units did not meet Remington’s performance criteria. The performance problems resulted from complications during our transition from prototype to mass production. These problems have been identified and solutions are being implemented, with an expected production restart in October.

Anyone who purchased an R51 may return it and receive a new R51 pistol, along with two additional magazines and a custom Pelican case, by calling Remington at (800) 243-9700.

Blow up in your hand. Ouch. +p with plastic guns.

Never Run Out of Ammo

Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People

Them or You

The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why

Gaston Glock perfected the handgun. End of Story.

too big

grip safety

Not a plastic gun.Frame is aluminium.

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> Not a plastic gun.Frame is aluminium.


Aluminium is just like plastic. Sound like the aluminum is part of the problem.

Never Run Out of Ammo

Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People

Them or You

The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why

dfad Wrote:
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> Gaston Glock perfected the handgun. End of Story.

Do Glock's support +P and +P+ ammo? Serious question. I've always run 147gr. Golden Sabres in mine. Haven't gone +P yet.

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> Do Glock's support +P and +P+ ammo? Serious
> question. I've always run 147gr. Golden Sabres in
> mine. Haven't gone +P yet.



YES! Glock can handle extremely hot loads, even surpassing NATO spec pressures!



I know this because I found out that the military 9mm 124 grain ball ammo, labeled NATO spec is well past +P+ pressure. It's designed to be optimal for 9mm submachine guns.

The Beretta 92 and Glock 17 are ideal for +P+ loads. You shouldn't use ammo that hot in pocket sized 9mm pistols.

eesh Wrote:
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Do Glock's support +P and +P+ ammo? Serious
> > question. I've always run 147gr. Golden Sabres
> in
> > mine. Haven't gone +P yet.
>
>
>
> YES! Glock can handle extremely hot loads, even
> surpassing NATO spec pressures!
>
>
>
> I know this because I found out that the military
> 9mm 124 grain ball ammo, labeled NATO spec is well
> past +P+ pressure. It's designed to be optimal for
> 9mm submachine guns.
>
> The Beretta 92 and Glock 17 are ideal for +P+
> loads. You shouldn't use ammo that hot in pocket
> sized 9mm pistols.

Thanks eesh! I'll have to try some in my M9 and G19 then. I have a S&W .357 that I like to alternate .38 and .357 in to get some lulz at the range. bang, BANG!, bang, BANG!, bang

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> Thanks eesh! I'll have to try some in my M9 and
> G19 then. I have a S&W .357 that I like to
> alternate .38 and .357 in to get some lulz at the
> range. bang, BANG!, bang, BANG!, bang


If you really want to mix it up, get some 38 standard pressure, then 38+P, the .357 Magnum!

Have you ever heard of 38 Special +P+? Federal Premium makes it, it's for police departments that have .357 Magnum revolvers that have been subsequently banned from using any magnum ammunition. There are even police departments in the US that are banned from using hollowpoint ammunition!

eesh Wrote:
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Thanks eesh! I'll have to try some in my M9
> and
> > G19 then. I have a S&W .357 that I like to
> > alternate .38 and .357 in to get some lulz at
> the
> > range. bang, BANG!, bang, BANG!, bang
>
>
> If you really want to mix it up, get some 38
> standard pressure, then 38+P, the .357 Magnum!
>
> Have you ever heard of 38 Special +P+? Federal
> Premium makes it, it's for police departments that
> have .357 Magnum revolvers that have been
> subsequently banned from using any magnum
> ammunition. There are even police departments in
> the US that are banned from using hollowpoint
> ammunition!


My .357 only hold 5 rounds. I can believe that. I have a friend who works for Charlottesville PD and said they've became so liberal, even their SWAT Team has moved to semi-auto AR-15s from full-auto. Silly.

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> dfad Wrote:
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> -----
> > Gaston Glock perfected the handgun. End of
> Story.
>
> Do Glock's support +P and +P+ ammo? Serious
> question. I've always run 147gr. Golden Sabres in
> mine. Haven't gone +P yet.

First prepare to lose your hand or part of your face. Then go +p. Glocks are plastic at its finest.

Never Run Out of Ammo

Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People

Them or You

The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why

eesh Wrote:
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Do Glock's support +P and +P+ ammo? Serious
> > question. I've always run 147gr. Golden Sabres
> in
> > mine. Haven't gone +P yet.
>
>
>
> YES! Glock can handle extremely hot loads, even
> surpassing NATO spec pressures!
>
>
>
> I know this because I found out that the military
> 9mm 124 grain ball ammo, labeled NATO spec is well
> past +P+ pressure. It's designed to be optimal for
> 9mm submachine guns.
>
> The Beretta 92 and Glock 17 are ideal for +P+
> loads. You shouldn't use ammo that hot in pocket
> sized 9mm pistols.


Eesh is full of shit on this. There a reason why the military don't use glocks and now PD departments are getting rid of them for more solid guns.

Never Run Out of Ammo

Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People

Them or You

The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2014 04:20AM by Gunlover.

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Thanks eesh! I'll have to try some in my M9
> > and
> > > G19 then. I have a S&W .357 that I like to
> > > alternate .38 and .357 in to get some lulz at
> > the
> > > range. bang, BANG!, bang, BANG!, bang
> >
> >
> > If you really want to mix it up, get some 38
> > standard pressure, then 38+P, the .357 Magnum!
> >
> > Have you ever heard of 38 Special +P+? Federal
> > Premium makes it, it's for police departments
> that
> > have .357 Magnum revolvers that have been
> > subsequently banned from using any magnum
> > ammunition. There are even police departments
> in
> > the US that are banned from using hollowpoint
> > ammunition!
>
>
> My .357 only hold 5 rounds. I can believe that.
> I have a friend who works for Charlottesville PD
> and said they've became so liberal, even their
> SWAT Team has moved to semi-auto AR-15s from
> full-auto. Silly.

Full auto is worthless. unless you want burn through all your ammo (Bad fire discipline, 20rd clips vs 30rd clips) and still don't hit shit that you are shooting at. In Afghanistan, I used the M4A1, SOPMOD M4A1 in several fire fights and never used full auto. A fire fight could last a long time. How many rounds of ammo (5.56) do you think you can carry? 200? 300? 400? 500? 1000? try it some time. I carried 300 rounds and that was heavy beside all the other shit to carry (radio, water, food, AT4s, grenades) and I dumped my M9 for weight and let the FOBBITs carry them. If you got stuck with the M249, M240 or the Mk46, nice effective rate of fire, it sucked, 1000 rounds of 5.56 is very heavy.

Never Run Out of Ammo

Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People

Them or You

The two most important days in your life are the day your were born and and the day you find out why

Gunlover Wrote:
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> There a reason why
> the military don't use glocks and now PD
> departments are getting rid of them for more solid
> guns.



Eli,

It is you that doesn't know what he is talking about. The Glock is not used by our military since it doesn't have an external safety, but it was originally designed for the Austrian military and is used worldwide. As far as police go, the Glock 22 is one of the most commonly used pistols in the nation.

Please know and understand what you are talking about before you bang on a keyboard.

Gunlover Wrote:
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>
> Full auto is worthless. unless you want burn
> through all your ammo (Bad fire discipline, 20rd
> clips vs 30rd clips) and still don't hit shit that
> you are shooting at.


Clips? CLIPS? No one says clips except for news reporters, Call of Duty players, and mall ninjas.


> In Afghanistan, I used the
> M4A1, SOPMOD M4A1 in several fire fights and never
> used full auto.


Oh boy, here comes the stolen valor. Goodnight.

So much valor stolen.....ha!
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> > eesh Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Thanks eesh! I'll have to try some in my
> M9
> > > and
> > > > G19 then. I have a S&W .357 that I like to
> > > > alternate .38 and .357 in to get some lulz
> at
> > > the
> > > > range. bang, BANG!, bang, BANG!, bang
> > >
> > >
> > > If you really want to mix it up, get some 38
> > > standard pressure, then 38+P, the .357
> Magnum!
> > >
> > > Have you ever heard of 38 Special +P+?
> Federal
> > > Premium makes it, it's for police departments
> > that
> > > have .357 Magnum revolvers that have been
> > > subsequently banned from using any magnum
> > > ammunition. There are even police departments
> > in
> > > the US that are banned from using hollowpoint
> > > ammunition!
> >
> >
> > My .357 only hold 5 rounds. I can believe that.
>
> > I have a friend who works for Charlottesville
> PD
> > and said they've became so liberal, even their
> > SWAT Team has moved to semi-auto AR-15s from
> > full-auto. Silly.
>
> Full auto is worthless. unless you want burn
> through all your ammo (Bad fire discipline, 20rd
> clips vs 30rd clips) and still don't hit shit that
> you are shooting at. In Afghanistan, I used the
> M4A1, SOPMOD M4A1 in several fire fights and never
> used full auto. A fire fight could last a long
> time. How many rounds of ammo (5.56) do you think
> you can carry? 200? 300? 400? 500? 1000? try it
> some time. I carried 300 rounds and that was
> heavy beside all the other shit to carry (radio,
> water, food, AT4s, grenades) and I dumped my M9
> for weight and let the FOBBITs carry them. If
> you got stuck with the M249, M240 or the Mk46,
> nice effective rate of fire, it sucked, 1000
> rounds of 5.56 is very heavy.
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I've been shooting Federal 9BPLE out of my Glocks 26,19 for 20 years.Theres never been a problem.As long as you're gun isn't a Bryco you shouldn't have any problems with +p+,

Watch the Miculek review of the new Glock 41 with night sights.

He hits a steel gong from 200 yards on the first shot. Guy is the terminator.
I can't do that even with an AR-15.

eF4wW Wrote:
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> I've been shooting Federal 9BPLE out of my Glocks
> 26,19 for 20 years.Theres never been a problem.As
> long as you're gun isn't a Bryco you shouldn't
> have any problems with +p+,


There is all kinds of stupid being typed here in this thread. The first thing I saw that stuck me as really a dumb ass statement was NATO 9mm is a hotter round then a 9mm +P+.

The second is this statement above. If you are still carrying Federal 9mm +P+ 115gr in your guns then you need to stop. This is shit ammo. It was great in the 80's. Its crap by todays standards. Go spend some money and get some good ammo.

Most gun manufactures put in the manuals not to use +P+ ammo in their handguns. SIG is one. Its not because the guns can not handle the pressures, its because it can cause the guns to wear faster. Any modern handgun used by military or police in the US will hold up to +P+ ammo.

All kinds of Stupid Wrote:
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> eF4wW Wrote:
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> -----
> > I've been shooting Federal 9BPLE out of my
> Glocks
> > 26,19 for 20 years.Theres never been a
> problem.As
> > long as you're gun isn't a Bryco you shouldn't
> > have any problems with +p+,
>
>
> There is all kinds of stupid being typed here in
> this thread. The first thing I saw that stuck me
> as really a dumb ass statement was NATO 9mm is a
> hotter round then a 9mm +P+.
>
> The second is this statement above. If you are
> still carrying Federal 9mm +P+ 115gr in your guns
> then you need to stop. This is shit ammo. It was
> great in the 80's. Its crap by todays standards.
> Go spend some money and get some good ammo.
>
> Most gun manufactures put in the manuals not to
> use +P+ ammo in their handguns. SIG is one. Its
> not because the guns can not handle the pressures,
> its because it can cause the guns to wear faster.
> Any modern handgun used by military or police in
> the US will hold up to +P+ ammo.

"I've been shooting Federal 9BPLE out of my
Glocks 26,19 for 20 years Blah Blah Blah.......Have you ever been on a date or had a women? I like firearms but that kind of blathering is mind numbing and basically, WTF cares?

All kinds of Stupid Wrote:
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> There is all kinds of stupid being typed here in
> this thread. The first thing I saw that stuck me
> as really a dumb ass statement was NATO 9mm is a
> hotter round then a 9mm +P+.
>
> The second is this statement above. If you are
> still carrying Federal 9mm +P+ 115gr in your guns
> then you need to stop. This is shit ammo. It was
> great in the 80's. Its crap by todays standards.
> Go spend some money and get some good ammo.
>
> Most gun manufactures put in the manuals not to
> use +P+ ammo in their handguns. SIG is one. Its
> not because the guns can not handle the pressures,
> its because it can cause the guns to wear faster.
> Any modern handgun used by military or police in
> the US will hold up to +P+ ammo.



You don't know what you are talking about, and NATO spec 9mm exceeds the SAAMI specifications for 9mm +P+.

Stop banging on the keyboard hoping to make a comment that will stick.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh Wrote:
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> You don't know what you are talking about, and
> NATO spec 9mm exceeds the SAAMI specifications for
> 9mm +P+.
>
> Stop banging on the keyboard hoping to make a
> comment that will stick.


How many reloading books have you read on this subject? First, there is no SAAMI specs for 9mm +P+. Closest would be +P to NATO spec 9mm. They are very close. Spend more time on reloading webpages and less time here.

Your claimed knowledge of firearms and such sucks. You should stick to the topics you know better.

All kinds of Stupid Wrote:
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> How many reloading books have you read on this
> subject? First, there is no SAAMI specs for 9mm
> +P+. Closest would be +P to NATO spec 9mm. They
> are very close. Spend more time on reloading
> webpages and less time here.




haha Now we're getting into a "real firearm owners reload their ammo" argument.

I hope you know that firing reloaded ammo voids the manufacturer warranty on whatever firearm you are shooting from.

eesh Wrote:
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> All kinds of Stupid Wrote:
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>
> > How many reloading books have you read on this
> > subject? First, there is no SAAMI specs for 9mm
> > +P+. Closest would be +P to NATO spec 9mm. They
> > are very close. Spend more time on reloading
> > webpages and less time here.
>
>
>
>
> haha Now we're getting into a "real firearm owners
> reload their ammo" argument.
>
> I hope you know that firing reloaded ammo voids
> the manufacturer warranty on whatever firearm you
> are shooting from.

Yeah it does!! Glad you read your owner's manuals.

None of the rifles I shoot reloads from have warranties to start with so I'm not worried about it.

But if I did, its not an issue unless you blow up a gun or have other pressure issues and claim its due to a manufactures defect and covered by warranty. The manufacture of the one gun I had an issue with never even asked if I had ever shot reloads in the gun. They took care of the problem without ever asking what kind of ammo I was shooting.

And reloading is not for everybody. I could care less if somebody reloads or not. Not everybody should reload.

eesh Wrote:
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> All kinds of Stupid Wrote:
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>
> > How many reloading books have you read on this
> > subject? First, there is no SAAMI specs for 9mm
> > +P+. Closest would be +P to NATO spec 9mm. They
> > are very close. Spend more time on reloading
> > webpages and less time here.
>
>
>
>
> haha Now we're getting into a "real firearm owners
> reload their ammo" argument.
>
> I hope you know that firing reloaded ammo voids
> the manufacturer warranty on whatever firearm you
> are shooting from.

Oh! that reply is real weak eesh.

Never Run Out of Ammo

Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People

Them or You

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