I have had these conversations on a plane before. It is one thing for AirTran to pull these people off over a security concern. But to refuse to book them on a different flight after the FBI cleared them is ridiculous...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/index.html

Wouldn't YOU feel uncomfortable on a plane with a family of ragheads pointing out places on the aircraft?

They should have had that conversation before they got on the plane and in private. What did they expect? Maybe they wanted this to happen?

Now that most people have finally awakened to the muslim agenda, there will be more of this sort of thing to come. They have no one to blame but themselves and their dopey political cult that masquerades as a religion.

Agreed....they should have kept their pie holes shut!!

Numbers Wrote:
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They have no one to blame but
> themselves and their dopey political cult that
> masquerades as a religion.

Excellent point! The best way to solve this problem is not to
have it in the first place. If the ragheads dont like the
way we do things here, there is no ball and chain around
their foot.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> AirTran Violates Religious Freedoms

Wow, and I thought the whole profiling thing was based on how people looked. I had no idea they researched and found all the worshiping habits of all of those people before deciding to remove them from the plane.

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pgens Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> > AirTran Violates Religious Freedoms
>
> Wow, and I thought the whole profiling thing was
> based on how people looked. I had no idea they
> researched and found all the worshiping habits of
> all of those people before deciding to remove them
> from the plane.

If you read the article, it is obvious the people are Muslim. I'm sure this came up in the FBI interview as well. When it was obvious these people weren't a threat, AirTran still refused to seat them.

Numbers Wrote:
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> Wouldn't YOU feel uncomfortable on a plane with a
> family of ragheads pointing out places on the
> aircraft?
>
> They should have had that conversation before they
> got on the plane and in private. What did they
> expect? Maybe they wanted this to happen?
>
> Now that most people have finally awakened to the
> muslim agenda, there will be more of this sort of
> thing to come. They have no one to blame but
> themselves and their dopey political cult that
> masquerades as a religion.


What Muslim agenda? If they were planning to hijack or blow up the plane, why the fuck would they be discussing the safest parts of the plane? The only agenda here is the ignorant redneck agenda of those who were on the plane who were too damn dumb to use logic.

Not sure what else would have been done. There were no there AirTran flights to Orlando that day.

Samantha Wrote:
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> Numbers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> They have no one to blame but
> > themselves and their dopey political cult that
> > masquerades as a religion.
>
> Excellent point! The best way to solve this
> problem is not to
> have it in the first place. If the ragheads dont
> like the
> way we do things here, there is no ball and chain
> around
> their foot.


"we"? the use of racial/cultural insults on this thread goes beyond anything called for. insults are not a substitute for intellegent comments. if you dont have one keep your prejudices to yourself.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> If you read the article, it is obvious the people
> are Muslim. I'm sure this came up in the FBI
> interview as well. When it was obvious these
> people weren't a threat, AirTran still refused to
> seat them.

if AirTran was "violating religious freedom" and "it is obvious the people are Muslim," AirTran would not have been allowed on the plane in the first place.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Samantha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Numbers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > They have no one to blame but
> > > themselves and their dopey political cult
> that
> > > masquerades as a religion.
> >
> > Excellent point! The best way to solve this
> > problem is not to
> > have it in the first place. If the ragheads
> dont
> > like the
> > way we do things here, there is no ball and
> chain
> > around
> > their foot.
>
>
> "we"? the use of racial/cultural insults on this
> thread goes beyond anything called for. insults
> are not a substitute for intellegent comments. if
> you dont have one keep your prejudices to
> yourself.


I see Dominion Hospital has begun a furlough/early release program.

Yeah this Air Tran guy sounds Vietnamese! I say we send that Rice eatin fool back to Nam pronto and have him only come back when he sends hookers. Me ruv you rong time.

"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you read the article, it is obvious the
> people
> > are Muslim. I'm sure this came up in the FBI
> > interview as well. When it was obvious these
> > people weren't a threat, AirTran still refused
> to
> > seat them.
>
> if AirTran was "violating religious freedom" and
> "it is obvious the people are Muslim," AirTran
> would not have been allowed on the plane in the
> first place.

My point is that AirTran refused to re-book these folks after learning they were Muslim. That is discrimination.

This is where AirTran went from being cautious to discrimination....

"The FBI agents actually cleared our names," said Inayet Sahin, Irfan's sister-in-law. "They went on our behalf and spoke to the airlines and said, 'There is no suspicious activity here. They are clear. Please let them get on a flight so they can go on their vacation,' and they still refused."

Iffy

most of them are American citizens. let them file a civil suit

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> My point is that AirTran refused to re-book these
> folks after learning they were Muslim. That is
> discrimination.

did they say that they wouldnt re-book them because they are muslim? besides, wasnt it obvious that they were muslim in the first place? do you know everything the airline learned about this family? i dont know about you but i think better safe than sorry applies in this situation.

btw, since when did you become such a strong believer in the FBI?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My point is that AirTran refused to re-book
> these
> > folks after learning they were Muslim. That is
> > discrimination.
>
> did they say that they wouldnt re-book them
> because they are muslim? besides, wasnt it
> obvious that they were muslim in the first place?
> do you know everything the airline learned about
> this family? i dont know about you but i think
> better safe than sorry applies in this situation.
>
> btw, since when did you become such a strong
> believer in the FBI?


What rationale could AirTran use for not re-booking them once the FBI cleared them? As for the FBI, I have never had a problem with the FBI. I have a problem with elected officials using the information gleaned from the FBI for their own political and personal vendettas.

Air Tran offered to fly them home and reimbursed them for the United Air plane that they took. The reason they didn't put them back on the plane is because they hadn't yet been cleared to fly.

Vince, Islam is not a fucking race, you dumbass. It's an ideology/death cult/political system that I happen to strongly disagree with. It's comprised of several races and is global. When are people going to realize this?
Try living for 1 month under Sharia Law and tell me how great it is. Thats what they want here and everywhere else in the world. They've already taken have of France and Great Britain (which now has Sharia in some parts).

Tone Loc, if you don't yet know the Muslim doctrine, then you probably don't know the Bush doctrine either and that puts you in league with Sarah Palin, lol. The passengers on the plane probably didn't hear everything they were saying and saw them pointing out areas on the aircraft. That would and should make everyone uneasy, even you.

Durring the time he was filming the movie Serpico, Al Pacino in a scruffy beard boarded a plane and made a joke about hijacking the plane to a friend. Airline personell heard the joke and immediately did what they are supposed to do - alerted the authorities. Pacino was taken off the plane and questioned. He missed his flight.

One of the Muslim passengers, Atif Irfan, said the family probably would not fly home with AirTran because members had already booked tickets on another airline, but appreciated the apology.

He will probably fly them again. They are the cheapest airline to Florida from here.

They got exactly what they deserved.

Not necessarily for being muslim or discussing the "safest" part of the airline to sit in, hell they could have talked about the best place to ensure martyrdom for all I care, they got what they deserve for actually buying a ticket on Airtran and expecting to go anywhere!

Numbers Wrote:
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> Air Tran offered to fly them home and reimbursed
> them for the United Air plane that they took. The
> reason they didn't put them back on the plane is
> because they hadn't yet been cleared to fly.

Actually, that's bullshit. The flight they were on left without them. They asked AirTran to put them on a later flight and AirTran refused. They had to purchase the tickets on the other airline. Only when they went to the press did AirTran reimburse them and apologize.

>
> Vince, Islam is not a fucking race, you dumbass.
> It's an ideology/death cult/political system that
> I happen to strongly disagree with. It's comprised
> of several races and is global. When are people
> going to realize this?

It's a religion, asshat. You may not agree with it, but it is.

> Try living for 1 month under Sharia Law and tell
> me how great it is. Thats what they want here and
> everywhere else in the world. They've already
> taken have of France and Great Britain (which now
> has Sharia in some parts).
>
I don't choose to live under Sharia Law. But I don't believe I should condemn someone else because they choose to.

> Tone Loc, if you don't yet know the Muslim
> doctrine, then you probably don't know the Bush
> doctrine either and that puts you in league with
> Sarah Palin, lol. The passengers on the plane
> probably didn't hear everything they were saying
> and saw them pointing out areas on the aircraft.
> That would and should make everyone uneasy, even
> you.


Being uneasy is one thing. Like I have said, I had no problem with the FBI taking these folks off the plane and questioning them. But once the FBI cleared them, AirTran had no business refusing to re-book them. Since AirTran has apologized, provided a refund and seems open to letting them fly on AirTran in the future, it is obvious AirTran realizes what they did was wrong.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Numbers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Air Tran offered to fly them home and
> reimbursed
> > them for the United Air plane that they took.
> The
> > reason they didn't put them back on the plane
> is
> > because they hadn't yet been cleared to fly.
>
> Actually, that's bullshit. The flight they were on
> left without them. They asked AirTran to put them
> on a later flight and AirTran refused. They had to
> purchase the tickets on the other airline. Only
> when they went to the press did AirTran reimburse
> them and apologize.
>
> >
> > Vince, Islam is not a fucking race, you
> dumbass.
> > It's an ideology/death cult/political system
> that
> > I happen to strongly disagree with. It's
> comprised
> > of several races and is global. When are people
> > going to realize this?
>
> It's a religion, asshat. You may not agree with
> it, but it is.
>
> > Try living for 1 month under Sharia Law and
> tell
> > me how great it is. Thats what they want here
> and
> > everywhere else in the world. They've already
> > taken have of France and Great Britain (which
> now
> > has Sharia in some parts).
> >
> I don't choose to live under Sharia Law. But I
> don't believe I should condemn someone else
> because they choose to.
>
> > Tone Loc, if you don't yet know the Muslim
> > doctrine, then you probably don't know the Bush
> > doctrine either and that puts you in league
> with
> > Sarah Palin, lol. The passengers on the plane
> > probably didn't hear everything they were
> saying
> > and saw them pointing out areas on the
> aircraft.
> > That would and should make everyone uneasy,
> even
> > you.
>
>
> Being uneasy is one thing. Like I have said, I had
> no problem with the FBI taking these folks off the
> plane and questioning them. But once the FBI
> cleared them, AirTran had no business refusing to
> re-book them. Since AirTran has apologized,
> provided a refund and seems open to letting them
> fly on AirTran in the future, it is obvious
> AirTran realizes what they did was wrong.


AirTran probably didnt want to scare the living shit out of the
passengers already on the plane by bringing them back on board.
I wouldnt want to look at them again either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLB15kBvn_c

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If you read the article, it is obvious the
> > people
> > > are Muslim. I'm sure this came up in the FBI
> > > interview as well. When it was obvious these
> > > people weren't a threat, AirTran still
> refused
> > to
> > > seat them.
> >
> > if AirTran was "violating religious freedom"
> and
> > "it is obvious the people are Muslim," AirTran
> > would not have been allowed on the plane in the
> > first place.
>
> My point is that AirTran refused to re-book these
> folks after learning they were Muslim. That is
> discrimination.


And?

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> "we"? the use of racial/cultural insults on this
> thread goes beyond anything called for. insults
> are not a substitute for intellegent comments. if
> you dont have one keep your prejudices to
> yourself.



it's funny how if it's a white person, a Christian or a 20-something male, you are the first to damn them but when it's a minority of any sort, you tell everyone they are racists and bigots.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

k



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Alias Wrote:
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> We are at war, folks. Accept this reality. Just
> because we can't name one country, or one
> dictator, doesn't make it less real. Move out of
> your American spoiled brat bubble for a moment and
> understand that your way of life is being
> threatened. Grow up.


Who are we at war with? A fringe group of Islamist radicals or 1 billion Muslims? If you want to declare war on 1 billion Muslims I have news for you....we won't win. Nobody would.

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "we"? the use of racial/cultural insults on
> this
> > thread goes beyond anything called for.
> insults
> > are not a substitute for intellegent comments.
> if
> > you dont have one keep your prejudices to
> > yourself.
>
>
>
> it's funny how if it's a white person, a Christian
> or a 20-something male, you are the first to damn
> them but when it's a minority of any sort, you
> tell everyone they are racists and bigots.
>
>


ohhh..here you go whining again..the poor white christian 20 year olds! In a society it is not the majority who needs protection..it is the minority. So until the year 2050 whites will still be in the majority. Chrisitians will be probably be a majority for much longer...unfortunately blacks and hispanics still cling to their religion all to strongly. As for 20 somethings...I feel most of you think you are entitled to the standard of living you grew up in...and really dont know how to survive independently. Take you for instance....still living at home despite the fact that you seem to know a lot about computers.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> In a society it is not the majority who needs
> protection..it is the minority.

wrong. racism and bigotry are wrong regardless of it being toward a minority or majority.

people like you are what's wrong with the world.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In a society it is not the majority who needs
> > protection..it is the minority.
>
> wrong. racism and bigotry are wrong regardless of
> it being toward a minority or majority.
>
> people like you are what's wrong with the world.


It depends on the society. In Saddam's Iraq, the minority Sunni persecuted the majority Shi'ites. In South Africa, the minority whites used Apartheid against the majority blacks.

In America, the Bill of Rights were developed to protect the rights of individuals, which could include minorities. Subsequent Amendments have been geared more toward minorities, specifically blacks and women.

However, some could argue that well-meaning efforts like Affirmative Action and EEOC protections have actually caused discrimination against the majority. I know, for instance, that many employers have a difficult time firing employees because they are women or black who happen to be poor performers because the way the laws are written. Yet these same employers have no problem firing white males. To me, that is discrimination.

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In a society it is not the majority who needs
> > protection..it is the minority.
>
> wrong. racism and bigotry are wrong regardless of
> it being toward a minority or majority.
>
> people like you are what's wrong with the world.


Me! I am what's wrong with this world! What an incredible statement. I have worked my entire life..paid my taxes like a patriotic american...voted...never been arrested....mean no harm to anyone or anything! I am what's wrong with world! Amazing!

Numbers Wrote:
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> Wouldn't YOU feel uncomfortable on a plane with a
> family of ragheads pointing out places on the
> aircraft?
>
> They should have had that conversation before they
> got on the plane and in private. What did they
> expect? Maybe they wanted this to happen?
>
> Now that most people have finally awakened to the
> muslim agenda, there will be more of this sort of
> thing to come. They have no one to blame but
> themselves and their dopey political cult that
> masquerades as a religion.


usualy I feel they are treated unfairly. But in this circumstance those idiots shouldnt have had that conversation while on the plane. Bunch of morons they just wanted to draw attention and make a scene. They should have gotten full body cavities.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> It depends on the society. In Saddam's Iraq, the
> minority Sunni persecuted the majority Shi'ites.
> In South Africa, the minority whites used
> Apartheid against the majority blacks.
>
> In America, the Bill of Rights were developed to
> protect the rights of individuals, which could
> include minorities. Subsequent Amendments have
> been geared more toward minorities, specifically
> blacks and women.
>
> However, some could argue that well-meaning
> efforts like Affirmative Action and EEOC
> protections have actually caused discrimination
> against the majority. I know, for instance, that
> many employers have a difficult time firing
> employees because they are women or black who
> happen to be poor performers because the way the
> laws are written. Yet these same employers have no
> problem firing white males. To me, that is
> discrimination.


You are correct...in "most" societies..it is the minority that needs protection from the majority.

As far as your comment on white males being discriminated against..I disagree...affirmative action programs are not discrimination against the majority..they are an equaling of the playing field. Just because someones undeserved advantage is taken away...isnt discrimination. If a white male is desevedly fired...it is not discrimination if the boss finds it easier to fire him then someone else...he deserved it. I doubt any undeserved white male has ever been fired solely on the grounds that the boss couldnt fire the minority.



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morons Wrote:
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> Numbers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wouldn't YOU feel uncomfortable on a plane with
> a
> > family of ragheads pointing out places on the
> > aircraft?
> >
> > They should have had that conversation before
> they
> > got on the plane and in private. What did they
> > expect? Maybe they wanted this to happen?
> >
> > Now that most people have finally awakened to
> the
> > muslim agenda, there will be more of this sort
> of
> > thing to come. They have no one to blame but
> > themselves and their dopey political cult that
> > masquerades as a religion.
>
>
> usualy I feel they are treated unfairly. But in
> this circumstance those idiots shouldnt have had
> that conversation while on the plane. Bunch of
> morons they just wanted to draw attention and make
> a scene. They should have gotten full body
> cavities.


First of all none of us know exactly what exactly was said. It is not unreasonable for anyone on a plane to wonder and discuss which of the seats on an airplane are the safest. I have had those conversations many times. If they hypothesised which seats were safer under variable scenarios..lets say an engine fire...vice an explosion in the luggage department..so what! It is obvious that thier attire and assumed religious affiliation made what were probably innocent statements appear threatening. WHITE AMERICA...GET OVER IT..GET OVER IT!



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You'd like to think that America is this enlightened utopia where all people of funny skin colors would be treated like us light-skinned folk, but face some fucking reality: there are ignorant cunts in America. If you look like an arab, and you're in airport, don't say a goddamn word. If you do, don't pretend to be surprised when some mouth-breather pulls you into a back room to ask you a bunch of dumb ass questions.

In 10 years, the mexicans are going to do something fucked up to us, and nobody will give a shit about the middle east anymore.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:

> Who are we at war with? A fringe group of Islamist
> radicals or 1 billion Muslims?

Tone Loc, The "fringe group" are actually the real muslims, not the so-called "moderates". The moderates are like christians here in this country. They're only really christians when they are threatened or feel like going to church every now and then.

Why would a real muslim want to live in this country anyway (the devils playground)? Everything we do here goes against everything they preach. I do know this, many were sent here to be "seeds".


> If you want to
> declare war on 1 billion Muslims I have news for
> you....we won't win. Nobody would.


I have news for you. We, the civilized world, ARE at war with all of Islam, whether we want to or not. No, not in the conventional way, but in an underground manner and the main weapon is subterfuge. Your right, we cannot win a war with 2 million muslims by trying to kill them all and neither can they.

Islam is like a cancer that grows from within. It starts with the "germ seed" taking over the weakest blood cells (the poor, uneducated and weak minded), then starts overpowering the healthy blood cells in mass until it finally enters the brain and destroys the creative, rational, logical and civil sections until all thats left behind is a depressed, lifeless, sex deprived and violent husk of a person, kind of like a robot. All these robots are then easily controlled by the powers that be (and through God of course).

The only way to cure Islam is also from within and I believe it's actually beginning, finally. Education is needed far more than bombs in this war, but thats the hard part. The Islamic governments know this and stop any effort to educate the people because they know the inevitable end result. So the internet and cable TV are our best hope.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> You'd like to think that America is this
> enlightened utopia where all people of funny skin
> colors would be treated like us light-skinned
> folk, but face some fucking reality: there are
> ignorant cunts in America. If you look like an
> arab, and you're in airport, don't say a goddamn
> word. If you do, don't pretend to be surprised
> when some mouth-breather pulls you into a back
> room to ask you a bunch of dumb ass questions.


Uh huh. And when the plane with members of your family crashes into the Empire State building, you'll be one of the first people to whine, "why wasn't there enough security and why were these evil people on the plane?"

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Vince is a racist and he doesn't even know it. He makes racist statements against the "majority" all the time.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > In a society it is not the majority who needs
> > > protection..it is the minority.
> >
> > wrong. racism and bigotry are wrong regardless
> of
> > it being toward a minority or majority.
> >
> > people like you are what's wrong with the
> world.
>
>
> Me! I am what's wrong with this world! What an
> incredible statement. I have worked my entire
> life..paid my taxes like a patriotic
> american...voted...never been arrested....mean no
> harm to anyone or anything! I am what's wrong
> with world! Amazing!


Vince, Vince, Vince...

Don't you know? Patriotic Americans are like Joe the Plumber. Don't pay your taxes. Smack your wife around. Skip out on hospital bills. Don't vote. Then claim to be morally outraged when someone proposes using the same progressive tax system we have had for decades.

Numbers Wrote:
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>
> I have news for you. We, the civilized world, ARE
> at war with all of Islam, whether we want to or
> not. No, not in the conventional way, but in an
> underground manner and the main weapon is
> subterfuge. Your right, we cannot win a war with 2
> million muslims by trying to kill them all and
> neither can they.
>
> Islam is like a cancer that grows from within. It
> starts with the "germ seed" taking over the
> weakest blood cells (the poor, uneducated and weak
> minded), then starts overpowering the healthy
> blood cells in mass until it finally enters the
> brain and destroys the creative, rational, logical
> and civil sections until all thats left behind is
> a depressed, lifeless, sex deprived and violent
> husk of a person, kind of like a robot. All these
> robots are then easily controlled by the powers
> that be (and through God of course).
>
> The only way to cure Islam is also from within and
> I believe it's actually beginning, finally.
> Education is needed far more than bombs in this
> war, but thats the hard part. The Islamic
> governments know this and stop any effort to
> educate the people because they know the
> inevitable end result. So the internet and cable
> TV are our best hope.


Seriously, you think Islam is a greater threat to us than Communism was? Or Nazism? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Numbers Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You'd like to think that America is this
> > enlightened utopia where all people of funny
> skin
> > colors would be treated like us light-skinned
> > folk, but face some fucking reality: there are
> > ignorant cunts in America. If you look like an
> > arab, and you're in airport, don't say a
> goddamn
> > word. If you do, don't pretend to be surprised
> > when some mouth-breather pulls you into a back
> > room to ask you a bunch of dumb ass questions.
>
>
> Uh huh. And when the plane with members of your
> family crashes into the Empire State building,
> you'll be one of the first people to whine, "why
> wasn't there enough security and why were these
> evil people on the plane?"
>
> An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


As I have said before, I have no problem with the TSA/FBI pulling these people off the plane when concerns were raised. My issue, and what I believe is inexcusable, was AirTran's initial decision to refuse the family a later flight once the FBI cleared them.

Why else do you think AirTran is now bending over backwards to please these people? Someone at AirTran, probably one of its lawyers, figured out the manager on duty at National royally fucked up.

Katie...a dream...a dream...the matador...the matador... the matador...me...me.

When Americans travel to other countries why do we try and conform?

When foreigners come here they should do the same and not push their beliefs on us. The many middle eastern people that I have dealt with are actually quite rude. I would never go to...lets say Italy or Spain and be rude to the locals. I think the American people are just sick and tired of bending over backwards for them to have them spit and urinate on the sidewalks and take advantage of the system.

Eagle Eye Wrote:
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> When Americans travel to other countries why do we
> try and conform?
>
> When foreigners come here they should do the same
> and not push their beliefs on us. The many middle
> eastern people that I have dealt with are actually
> quite rude. I would never go to...lets say Italy
> or Spain and be rude to the locals. I think the
> American people are just sick and tired of bending
> over backwards for them to have them spit and
> urinate on the sidewalks and take advantage of the
> system.


Eight of the nine were U.S. citizens. They weren't "foreigners." And I haven't heard of any of them pissing or spitting on the sidewalks at National.

I was not making a direct reference to the people involved in the AirTran incident. Just foreigners in general.

People are finally get fed up with things being handed to them on a silver platter. I don't understand why they come here to make the US their home and then disrespect things the way they do. I would NEVER go to a foreign country and even thing about doing the things they come here and do. But, maybe thats just me being a person with common sense.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Katie...a dream...a dream...the matador...the
> matador... the matador...me...me.


If I hear a loud whining sound can I assume Gravis' Computer has been melted by the nuclear blast?

Eagle Eye Wrote:
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> I was not making a direct reference to the people
> involved in the AirTran incident. Just foreigners
> in general.
>
> People are finally get fed up with things being
> handed to them on a silver platter. I don't
> understand why they come here to make the US their
> home and then disrespect things the way they do.
> I would NEVER go to a foreign country and even
> thing about doing the things they come here and
> do. But, maybe thats just me being a person with
> common sense.


Are you referring to our invasion of Iraq? Our continued occupation of Germany...South Korea? I am sorry to tell you...we the American public are larger then just you when we talk about how "we" behave in foreign countries.

No, no and no. How about as a visitor to another country? Can people go to other countries for pleasure? Vince Vince Vince...I would love for you to join my family for dinner one evening and have a little chat on foreign relations. I really think you live in some fairy tale land and are unable to see what is becoming of the US because of our open door policy.

Eagle Eye Wrote:
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> No, no and no. How about as a visitor to another
> country? Can people go to other countries for
> pleasure? Vince Vince Vince...I would love for
> you to join my family for dinner one evening and
> have a little chat on foreign relations. I really
> think you live in some fairy tale land and are
> unable to see what is becoming of the US because
> of our open door policy.


now thats a first on here....dinner and a political debate

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Eagle Eye Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, no and no. How about as a visitor to
> another
> > country? Can people go to other countries for
> > pleasure? Vince Vince Vince...I would love for
> > you to join my family for dinner one evening
> and
> > have a little chat on foreign relations. I
> really
> > think you live in some fairy tale land and are
> > unable to see what is becoming of the US
> because
> > of our open door policy.
>
>
> now thats a first on here....dinner and a
> political debate

Go Vince,, Go!!!!!

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Dinner will be ready as soon as you arrive.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:

> Seriously, you think Islam is a greater threat to
> us than Communism was? Or Nazism? You have no idea
> what you are talking about.


No, I never really saw communism as a big threat, mainly because we had the mutual assured destruction policy and neither side wanted that. Communists may have different political views, but in general, they are normal and rational people.

Nazism WAS a huge threat and once the world caught on, we dealt with it. Both these situations were manageable because they had to come from without. Islam grows from without and within, using our freedoms against us to eventually take them away. Once the world wakes up to Islam, we'll have to deal with it as well.

Ask anyone from Great Britain how they feel now that muslims have Sharia courts in place, forced them to build special bathrooms in public places so they can wash their fucking feet, made the security dogs at airports wear socks and any of the other nonsense that they can dream up. I won't mention the subway bombings or the ridiculous amount of mosques (or weapons depots) that seem to go up weekly (paid for by the Saudi's). The cancer is eating up GB from within and the people there have just about had enough. France is going the same route, but the people there are too pussy to do anything about it until it's too late.

These people will NOT assimilate into their visiting environments and expect us to cater to their fucked up and insane death cult. People like you, intoxicated by the Utopian dream, refuse to believe that not everyone will cooperate with that dream.

It's like living in a great neighborhood, where everyone of all races lives in perfect harmony, except for the one asshole neighbor that keeps throwing trash in everyones yard and parks his car in front of other peoples houses, just because he can. Everyone thinks he's insane and he has a long history of violence. No one wants to say anything to him because their afraid of what he'll do and in a way, they all feel sorry for him. Nevertheless, no one ever feels comfortable when he's around.

Numbers Wrote:
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> No, I never really saw communism as a big threat,
> mainly because we had the mutual assured
> destruction policy and neither side wanted that.
> Communists may have different political views, but
> in general, they are normal and rational people.
>
> Nazism WAS a huge threat and once the world caught
> on, we dealt with it. Both these situations were
> manageable because they had to come from without.
> Islam grows from without and within, using our
> freedoms against us to eventually take them away.
> Once the world wakes up to Islam, we'll have to
> deal with it as well.
>
> Ask anyone from Great Britain how they feel now
> that muslims have Sharia courts in place, forced
> them to build special bathrooms in public places
> so they can wash their fucking feet, made the
> security dogs at airports wear socks and any of
> the other nonsense that they can dream up. I won't
> mention the subway bombings or the ridiculous
> amount of mosques (or weapons depots) that seem to
> go up weekly (paid for by the Saudi's). The cancer
> is eating up GB from within and the people there
> have just about had enough. France is going the
> same route, but the people there are too pussy to
> do anything about it until it's too late.
>
> These people will NOT assimilate into their
> visiting environments and expect us to cater to
> their fucked up and insane death cult. People like
> you, intoxicated by the Utopian dream, refuse to
> believe that not everyone will cooperate with that
> dream.
>
> It's like living in a great neighborhood, where
> everyone of all races lives in perfect harmony,
> except for the one asshole neighbor that keeps
> throwing trash in everyones yard and parks his car
> in front of other peoples houses, just because he
> can. Everyone thinks he's insane and he has a long
> history of violence. No one wants to say anything
> to him because their afraid of what he'll do and
> in a way, they all feel sorry for him.
> Nevertheless, no one ever feels comfortable when
> he's around.

+1!

Numbers Wrote:
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>
> No, I never really saw communism as a big threat,
> mainly because we had the mutual assured
> destruction policy and neither side wanted that.
> Communists may have different political views, but
> in general, they are normal and rational people.
>

Stalin and Mao were normal and rational people. Okay. Obviously you know shit about the subject.

> Nazism WAS a huge threat and once the world caught
> on, we dealt with it. Both these situations were
> manageable because they had to come from without.

Really? How do you explain China becoming Communist decades after 1917? You can't. Communism and Fascism "come from within" more so than radical Islam.

> Islam grows from without and within, using our
> freedoms against us to eventually take them away.

You mean the way Hitler used free elections to take control of Germany or Mao used the right to bear arms to take control of China?

> Once the world wakes up to Islam, we'll have to
> deal with it as well.

Islam has been a factor for centuries. I don't think the world needs a dumbass like you to inform it about Islam. And when you are done quoting the violent sections of the Qu'ran, I suggest you read up on the Exodus and Leviticus. Talk about violent religions.

>
> Ask anyone from Great Britain how they feel now
> that muslims have Sharia courts in place, forced
> them to build special bathrooms in public places
> so they can wash their fucking feet, made the
> security dogs at airports wear socks and any of
> the other nonsense that they can dream up. I won't
> mention the subway bombings or the ridiculous
> amount of mosques (or weapons depots) that seem to
> go up weekly (paid for by the Saudi's). The cancer
> is eating up GB from within and the people there
> have just about had enough. France is going the
> same route, but the people there are too pussy to
> do anything about it until it's too late.
>

When was the last time you spoke with someone from GB? Ever?

> These people will NOT assimilate into their
> visiting environments and expect us to cater to
> their fucked up and insane death cult.

Yeah. Just like those Jews need to stop wearing their hats or speaking in Yiddish. Those bastards! Or the Irish Catholics need to stop having wakes. Or the Italians need to stop eating fish at Christmas. It's Turkey, bastards! Go back home, Guido!

> People like
> you, intoxicated by the Utopian dream, refuse to
> believe that not everyone will cooperate with that
> dream.
>

It's not utopian to not harass people because of your own inability to control your own fear.

> It's like living in a great neighborhood, where
> everyone of all races lives in perfect harmony,
> except for the one asshole neighbor that keeps
> throwing trash in everyones yard and parks his car
> in front of other peoples houses, just because he
> can. Everyone thinks he's insane and he has a long
> history of violence. No one wants to say anything
> to him because their afraid of what he'll do and
> in a way, they all feel sorry for him.
> Nevertheless, no one ever feels comfortable when
> he's around.

Yeah. What's wrong with that? Is there a law against that?

You would prefer to string the bastard up. How is that American?

You go Ken!!!!

Sorry...I mean...Go Numbers!!!!

Tone Loc,
I don't understand your connection between Islam and Communism, and given your obvious contempt of it, I would think you should be especially afraid of Islam, which is responsible EVERY single day for deaths of innocent people.

Do you ever wonder why they stop the people that appear to be muslims at airports and other secure locations and not people that look like Jews, Christians, buddist's and other religions?
It's because the other religions don't kill people EVERY fucking day! They mind their own business and assimilate into the societies they migrate to. Muslims don't and can't.

You must think I'm promoting christianity. I am not. I am an atheist and not a big fan of any religion, but as long as they don't kill people, I can tolerate them a little more. Not once, in any post I've ever made, have I said or implied ANYTHING racist, so get off that kick right now. I find this is the typical response to any negative reaction to Islam, which makes people not want to speak out against it. It has nothing to do with race.

I also never implied that the bad neighbor should be "strung up". Your very fast to pull racism and accusations of redneckism out of your hat. I would love to live in the all inclusive Utopia, but thats hard to achieve when someone has no regard for life and believes blowing people to smithereens is the right thing to do to achieve their own Utopia.

The United States is responsible for the deaths of 10 times as many innocent people every day as any Muslim country.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The United States is responsible for the deaths of
> 10 times as many innocent people every day as any
> Muslim country.


You are full of shit, as usual. But if you feel this strongly, then move, hippie.

move Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The United States is responsible for the deaths
> of
> > 10 times as many innocent people every day as
> any
> > Muslim country.
>
>
> You are full of shit, as usual. But if you feel
> this strongly, then move, hippie.


anywhere from 100 to 600k killed in Iraq alone! Not to mention our puppet regimes throughout the world in our current and not too distant past.

Korea

As told by most history textbooks in the U.S., the Korean War started with a June 25, 1950, invasion from the communist north and the freedom-loving U.S. came to the aid of the besieged democratic Republic of Korea in the south. The reality was very different.


Not only did the RoK’s dictatorial, fascist-like regime of U.S. puppet Syngman Rhee make the first move, it had prepared for it for more than a year in advance. These preparations included using paramilitary fascist organizations and the regular army for cross-border raids on northern villages to test the defenses of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).


Domestically, the preparation meant carrying out large-scale executions of suspected communists, leftists and anyone who opposed the neo-colonial rule of the U.S. in the south. The majority of these massacres took place throughout the summer of 1950, but thousands of civilians were executed by RoK military and police throughout the war.


The U.S. military—which had operational command of the RoK army—not only was aware of the massacres, but assisted and even directed many of the executions.


That these massacres had occurred was common knowledge among people both north and south. Due to the repressive anti-communist National Security Law, which threatened penalties of decades in prison, no one in the south dared to speak up until recently.

Chile

The nationalization of U.S. and other foreign-owned companies led to increased tensions with the United States. As a result, the Nixon administration organized and inserted secret operatives in Chile, in order to quickly destabilize Allende’s government.[21][22][23][24] In addition, international financial pressure restricted economic credit to Chile.
Simultaneously, the CIA funded opposition media, politicians, and organizations, helping to accelerate a campaign of domestic destabilization. By 1972, the economic progress of Allende's first year had been reversed and the economy was in crisis. Political polarization increased, and large mobilizations of both pro- and anti-government groups became frequent, often leading to clashes.


The Controversial General Augusto Pinochet UgarteBy early 1973, inflation was out of control. The crippled economy was further battered by prolonged and sometimes simultaneous strikes by physicians, teachers, students, truck owners, copper workers, and the small business class. A military coup overthrew Allende on September 11, 1973. As the armed forces bombarded the presidential palace (Palacio de La Moneda), Allende reportedly committed suicide.[25][26] A military government, led by General Augusto Pinochet Ugarte, took over control of the country. The first years of the regime were marked by serious human rights violations. On October 1973, at least 72 people were murdered by the Caravan of Death.[27] At least a thousand people were executed during the first six months of Pinochet in office, and at least two thousand more were killed during the next sixteen years, as reported by the Rettig Report. Some 30,000 were forced to flee the country, and tens of thousands of people were detained and tortured, as investigated by the 2004 Valech Commission. A new Constitution was approved by a highly irregular and undemocratic plebiscite characterized by the absence of registration lists, on September 11, 1980, and General Pinochet became President of the Republic for an 8-year term.

In the late 1980s, the regime gradually permitted greater freedom of assembly, speech, and association, to include trade union and limited political activity. The right-wing military government pursued free market economic policies. During Pinochet's nearly 17 years in power, Chile moved away from state involvement, toward a largely free market economy that saw an increase in domestic and foreign private investment, although the copper industry and other important mineral resources were not returned to foreign ownership. In a plebiscite on October 5, 1988, General Pinochet was denied a second 8-year term as president (56% against 44%). Chileans elected a new president and the majority of members of a two-chamber congress on December 14, 1989. Christian Democrat Patricio Aylwin, the candidate of a coalition of 17 political parties called the Concertación, received an absolute majority of votes (55%).[28] President Aylwin served from 1990 to 1994, in what was considered a transition period.



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Me! I am what's wrong with this world! What an
> incredible statement. I have worked my entire
> life..paid my taxes like a patriotic
> american...voted...never been arrested....mean no
> harm to anyone or anything! I am what's wrong
> with world! Amazing!

i was referring to your racism and bigotry, the scourge of the world. oh yeah, no way in hell you are a patriotic american. you can hardly even spell american without a k.

---

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Who are we at war with? A fringe group of Islamist
> radicals or 1 billion Muslims? If you want to
> declare war on 1 billion Muslims I have news for
> you....we won't win. Nobody would.

actually, if we were literally at war with all muslims, traditional warfare tactics would apply. we could easily level entire nations in hours without even landing on their soil. im pretty sure we could take out 95% of muslims in a couple weeks. while some muslims honestly believe we are trying to kill all muslims, they are sorely mistaken.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 09:49PM by Gravis.

if believing and not challenging amerikan propagandist is un-american..i plead guilty. as for the claim i am a racist...that of course is ludicrous...but an understandable statement from one as blinded as you. you are and have always been "the" most ignorant person on this web site.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> if believing and not challenging amerikan
> propagandist is un-american..i plead guilty. as
> for the claim i am a racist...that of course is
> ludicrous...but an understandable statement from
> one as blinded as you. you are and have always
> been "the" most ignorant person on this web site.

You're full of shit.

,



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We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear.

Alias Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian wrote:
> "Who are we at war with? A fringe group of
> Islamist radicals or 1 billion Muslims? If you
> want to declare war on 1 billion Muslims I have
> news for you....we won't win. Nobody would."
> ____________________
>
> How about starting with a few hundred down in Fort
> Lauderdale.
>
>

You have U.S. lawmakers like Tom Tancredo talking about nuking Mecca and that is fine, but when some private citizen talks about doing it to Israel it is a problem?

While I don't agree with the nuke talk and wearing masks in public (see The Klan) the fact is Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank. UN resolutions have said as much. The same kind of UN resolutions Bush used to justify an invasion of Iraq.

Israel should turn the West Bank over to the Palestinians. Period. Build their wall or whatever, but the land does not belong to Israel.

I think they should catch the next flight out to the "mother land" and go fight where it would actually do some good.

"Will have no choice but to accept it" See...thats the problem. Trying to force their evil ways on everybody. Nobody is even considering trying to convert them to other religions. If they are such peace loving people why aren't they at home chillin.

Eagle Eye Wrote:
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> I think they should catch the next flight out to
> the "mother land" and go fight where it would
> actually do some good.
>
> "Will have no choice but to accept it"
> See...thats the problem. Trying to force their
> evil ways on everybody. Nobody is even
> considering trying to convert them to other
> religions. If they are such peace loving people
> why aren't they at home chillin.



You apparently don't know the difference between Al Qaeda and the Palestinians. Just like Bush officials didn't know there were Shia and Sunnis in Iraq.

The Palestinians want what the UN and world community have said is theirs. Al Qaeda is the ultimate group of "dead enders." Given enough time, most of their followers will have blown themselves into oblivion. It is a death cult without a future.

Imagine if Israel had done this to Alexandria, VA. How would you feel toward Israelis?



I believe in Israel's right to exist. And I understand that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist groups and threats. But blowing up civilians in Lebanon and Gaza isn't going to solve Israel's problems.

The Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Egypt should be grateful to Isreal that they even still exist after the 7 day war. A less tolerant country would have sent the Palestinians packing a LONG time ago. It's not Isreal occupying the gaza strip, it's the Palestinians.
Lets face it, no one likes the Palestinians, not even the surrounding Islamic countries. This is why they never offer to help in any way. Yet, they love to use the Palestinian cause as a reason for everything stupid they do. Even Saddam Hussein tried it as a last resort, but again, no one gives a shit about the Palestinians.

They could have their own state, including Gaza and the west bank if they weren't so stupid. All they had to do was protest peacefully, like the black americans did, and eventually they would have gained worldwide support and sympathy. Isreal would be forced to capitulate. But instead, they choose to continually harass Isreal by launching rockets, suicide bombings and electing terrorists for their government.
Oh, and lets be realistic here. Do you think if the Palestinians were handed the West Bank and Gaza on a platter, that the terror to Isreal would stop? Hell no! They, like ALL muslims, have vowed the total destruction of Isreal and will not stop until they are wiped off the face of the planet.

If you lived in Alexandria, and Hamas kept launching rockets at you and your neighbors, how would you feel? And what if they told you they won't stop until you don't exist?

Numbers Wrote:
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> The Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Egypt
> should be grateful to Isreal that they even still
> exist after the 7 day war. A less tolerant country
> would have sent the Palestinians packing a LONG
> time ago. It's not Isreal occupying the gaza
> strip, it's the Palestinians.
> Lets face it, no one likes the Palestinians, not
> even the surrounding Islamic countries. This is
> why they never offer to help in any way. Yet, they
> love to use the Palestinian cause as a reason for
> everything stupid they do. Even Saddam Hussein
> tried it as a last resort, but again, no one gives
> a shit about the Palestinians.
>
> They could have their own state, including Gaza
> and the west bank if they weren't so stupid. All
> they had to do was protest peacefully, like the
> black americans did, and eventually they would
> have gained worldwide support and sympathy. Isreal
> would be forced to capitulate. But instead, they
> choose to continually harass Isreal by launching
> rockets, suicide bombings and electing terrorists
> for their government.
> Oh, and lets be realistic here. Do you think if
> the Palestinians were handed the West Bank and
> Gaza on a platter, that the terror to Isreal would
> stop? Hell no! They, like ALL muslims, have vowed
> the total destruction of Isreal and will not stop
> until they are wiped off the face of the planet.
>
> If you lived in Alexandria, and Hamas kept
> launching rockets at you and your neighbors, how
> would you feel? And what if they told you they
> won't stop until you don't exist?

I don't disagree with your belief that the Arab world has used the Palestinian cause to its own benefit and that they really have no desire to help the Palestinians. However, regarding Alexandria, if Hamas did attack us, I would feel the same way that I do about 9/11. Kill the bastards responsible. Don't invade some country that had nothing to do with it because of political expediency.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Imagine if Israel had done this to Alexandria, VA.
> How would you feel toward Israelis?

Angry but probably not surprised, if I had been hurling 30 rockets a month even under a "cease fire" agreement into Israel.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:

> I don't disagree with your belief that the Arab
> world has used the Palestinian cause to its own
> benefit and that they really have no desire to
> help the Palestinians. However, regarding
> Alexandria, if Hamas did attack us, I would feel
> the same way that I do about 9/11. Kill the
> bastards responsible. Don't invade some country
> that had nothing to do with it because of
> political expediency.


Agreed.

Numbers Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
>
> > I don't disagree with your belief that the Arab
> > world has used the Palestinian cause to its own
> > benefit and that they really have no desire to
> > help the Palestinians. However, regarding
> > Alexandria, if Hamas did attack us, I would
> feel
> > the same way that I do about 9/11. Kill the
> > bastards responsible. Don't invade some country
> > that had nothing to do with it because of
> > political expediency.
>
>
> Agreed.


Most of the Arab leaders are US puppets...including Egypt...Saudi Arabia...Kuwait..Dubai...Jordan...and even Lybia. Of course they will sell there own down the river.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Numbers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> >
> > > I don't disagree with your belief that the
> Arab
> > > world has used the Palestinian cause to its
> own
> > > benefit and that they really have no desire
> to
> > > help the Palestinians. However, regarding
> > > Alexandria, if Hamas did attack us, I would
> > feel
> > > the same way that I do about 9/11. Kill the
> > > bastards responsible. Don't invade some
> country
> > > that had nothing to do with it because of
> > > political expediency.
> >
> >
> > Agreed.
>
>
> Most of the Arab leaders are US
> puppets...including Egypt...Saudi
> Arabia...Kuwait..Dubai...Jordan...and even Lybia.
> Of course they will sell there own down the river.


Actually, I believe the US is the puppet of these regimes.

You might be right.

Even Gopher from Loveboat agrees...

Notable Quotable - 1/5 - "I hate to be on the side of CAIR, but..." Fred Grandy agreeing this morning with the DC-based Council On American-Islamic Relations, which has charged that a Musilims family were descriminated against last week when they were removed from an AirTran flight at Reagan National because of an alleged security concern. As you'll recall, CAIR has frequently criticized the programming on Grandy's station, talker WMAL.....

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Even Gopher from Loveboat agrees...


Well Damn, if Gopher agrees..end of story.


BTW, I heard an interview with the muslim guy in question and he was not bitter at all. He claims the FBI was very cool to him and his family and tried to get them back on the plane asap and that they were cleared very quickly. They even convinced United Air to let them take the next flight to Florida.

He claimed there was no hard feelings and was almost laughing about the situation. He was born and raised in Michigan and did not speech with an arab accent at all. It would be interesting to hear what the witnesses saw and heard and what exactly scared them so much.

Numbers Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Even Gopher from Loveboat agrees...
>
>
> Well Damn, if Gopher agrees..end of story.
>
>
> BTW, I heard an interview with the muslim guy in
> question and he was not bitter at all. He claims
> the FBI was very cool to him and his family and
> tried to get them back on the plane asap and that
> they were cleared very quickly. They even
> convinced United Air to let them take the next
> flight to Florida.
>
> He claimed there was no hard feelings and was
> almost laughing about the situation. He was born
> and raised in Michigan and did not speech with an
> arab accent at all. It would be interesting to
> hear what the witnesses saw and heard and what
> exactly scared them so much.

To reiterate, the problem wasn't the FBI and it wasn't AirTran's initial decision. It was its decision after the fact - once these folks were cleared by the FBI - to refuse to put them on a different AirTran flight. Whoever made that decision for AirTran should be suspended without pay, at the very least.

Numbers Wrote:
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> It would be interesting to
> hear what the witnesses saw and heard and what
> exactly scared them so much.

im guessing it was the questions as to what the safest part of the plane. ;)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I doubt any undeserved white male has ever been fired solely
> on the grounds that the boss couldnt fire the minority.

I've seen it happen at companies I've worked at, where they
had to enforce minority quotas, and then had to downsize.
It's an example of what used to be called "reverse discrimination".
This was back in the 70s.

One reason to not put them on the same plane is that it's
now filled with upset people who are going to be confused,
angry that the Muslims are being let back on, perhaps angry
with themselves for unjustly accusing them, angry with the
airline over the delay, angry with the accusing passengers,
and just generally unhappy. I am not sure I would want to
be the Muslim family sitting with those people.

But to not put them on the next most convenient (to the
family) flight (on whatever airline is available) is a crime.

Spacy Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I doubt any undeserved white male has ever been
> fired solely
> > on the grounds that the boss couldnt fire the
> minority.
>
> I've seen it happen at companies I've worked at,
> where they
> had to enforce minority quotas, and then had to
> downsize.
> It's an example of what used to be called "reverse
> discrimination".
> This was back in the 70s.


And you had full information as to determine the white employee was a fully satisfactory employee and a minority employeee was not...and the white employee was released?

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> And you had full information as to determine the
> white employee was blah blah blah...

*sigh* you are such a racist.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."