How should we deal with the ongoing struggle in Iraq and its surrounding nations

the truth is we only have one choice nuke the damn entire middle east region

citizen Wrote:
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> the truth is we only have one choice nuke the damn
> entire middle east region

FUCK YEAH!!! LET'S NUKE ALL THEM DIRTY A-RABS!!!
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We have got to get them before they nuke us it will happen the mayans and nostrodamus predicted the world would end at 2012 and they've been right so far. The reason we will get nuked in 2012 is because Barrack Obama is president and he is a weak leader, he is the next Jimmy Carter. We got Russia lining up missles near the border of Georgia, we got Iran and North Korea with nukes. Lets not forget China who we owe trillions of dollars to. All of these countrys hate America and would love to see us go down. I say we hit them first if billions of people die and there is only one country left it should be the one that represents Freedom and Democracy. It should be AMERICA. Dont you folks get it we have a chance to stop the apacolypse.

GMU PROFESSOR Wrote:
>> I say we hit them first if billions of people die and there is only one country left it should be the one that represents Freedom and Democracy. It should be AMERICA. Dont you folks get it we have a chance to stop the apacolypse.


So, we should represent freedom and democracy and stop the apocalypse by killing a few billion people in a nuclear attack.

Makes sense.

I get frustrated sometimes and just think the Israelis and the Palestinians deserve each other, even though I've got Jewish (but not Israeli) and Palestinian friends (Muslim and Christian)

In the short term, Israel is a good strategic ally in the war on terror, though behind the scenes I think we have a lot more cooperation with Syria and other nations than they or us are willing to publicly admit.Hezbollah and Hamas are surely no US allies, but would probably find it suicidal if they launched the kind of attacks on us they've been launching on the Israelis. An Arab friend once told me that "moderate" Arabs only hate Jews. Still not sure if it was a joke or irony.

At the end of the day, I think Israel has got to make some sacrifices land wise, though I think they come across weak when they honor these 400 for 1 prisoner swaps with the Palestinians.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> GMU PROFESSOR Wrote:
> >> I say we hit them first if billions of people
> die and there is only one country left it should
> be the one that represents Freedom and Democracy.
> It should be AMERICA. Dont you folks get it we
> have a chance to stop the apacolypse.
>
>
> So, we should represent freedom and democracy and
> stop the apocalypse by killing a few billion
> people in a nuclear attack.
>
> Makes sense.

Yeah, narrow tribalism really worked out well for the 8,000 years we tried it.

We need to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible..100% out. In Afghanistan we need to me a deal with the Taliban to turn over Osama and other Al Queda members..and then get the hell out.



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> We need to get out of Iraq as quickly as
> possible..100% out. In Afghanistan we need to me
> a deal with the Taliban to turn over Obama and
> other Al Queda members..and then get the hell out.

The Taliban wouldn't turn over Bin Laden in 01, they obfuscated and said he was dead or out of the country.

LETS NUKE THOSE FUCKERS EVERYTHING THAT GUY SAID MADE TOTAL SENSE!!!





We have got to get them before they nuke us it will happen the mayans and nostrodamus predicted the world would end at 2012 and they've been right so far. The reason we will get nuked in 2012 is because Barrack Obama is president and he is a weak leader, he is the next Jimmy Carter. We got Russia lining up missles near the border of Georgia, we got Iran and North Korea with nukes. Lets not forget China who we owe trillions of dollars to. All of these countrys hate America and would love to see us go down. I say we hit them first if billions of people die and there is only one country left it should be the one that represents Freedom and Democracy. It should be AMERICA. Dont you folks get it we have a chance to stop the apacolypse.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> In Afghanistan we need to me
> a deal with the Taliban to turn over Obama and
> other Al Queda members..and then get the hell out.

I can't believe I just read this.

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Now for some some old school Dead Kennedys, with their classic song "NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF"....






Fuck off while you're watching it, douchebag.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> We need to get out of Iraq as quickly as
> possible..100% out. In Afghanistan we need to me
> a deal with the Taliban to turn over Obama and
> other Al Queda members..and then get the hell out.

lol at Vince.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> We need to get out of Iraq as quickly as
> possible..100% out. In Afghanistan we need to me
> a deal with the Taliban to turn over Obama and
> other Al Queda members..and then get the hell out.


You do realize we're never going to leave Iraq "100%", don't you?

Why would we have built all those superbases with 36,000 square foot Post Exchanges, and movie theaters, bowling allies, gymnasiums, indoor swimming pools and barracks? Because we got kicked out of Saudi Arabia, and we need a place somewhere in the middle east to "project" our power. Diego Garcia is a good place to park some tanks and store guns, rations and bullets, but we need bases in the ME with combat ready forces.

Bob Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > We need to get out of Iraq as quickly as
> > possible..100% out. In Afghanistan we need to me
> > a deal with the Taliban to turn over Obama and
> > other Al Queda members..and then get the hell out.

the truth is out!

> You do realize we're never going to leave Iraq
> "100%", don't you?

you will have a better success convincing a woman wearing white gloves to buy a ketchup popsicle than make vince recognize the obvious.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Yes..it's out..Obama organized the 9/11 attacks. I cant even blame that freudian slip on a typo...the B and S are miles apart on the keyboard....you got me.

Bob Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > We need to get out of Iraq as quickly as
> > possible..100% out. In Afghanistan we need to
> me
> > a deal with the Taliban to turn over Obama and
> > other Al Queda members..and then get the hell
> out.
>

> You do realize we're never going to leave Iraq
> "100%", don't you?
>
> Why would we have built all those superbases with
> 36,000 square foot Post Exchanges, and movie
> theaters, bowling allies, gymnasiums, indoor
> swimming pools and barracks? Because we got
> kicked out of Saudi Arabia, and we need a place
> somewhere in the middle east to "project" our
> power. Diego Garcia is a good place to park some
> tanks and store guns, rations and bullets, but we
> need bases in the ME with combat ready forces.

I think the Iraqis have as much national pride a the French did after WW II...I also believe being an occupied country is seen in the Arab world as such as insult to their nationalist and religious beliefs that sooner or later we will be 100% out..the sooner the better for them...the better for us.
>



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Bob Wrote:
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> > Because we got kicked out of Saudi Arabia,
> > we need bases in the ME with combat ready forces.
>
> I think the Iraqis have as much national pride a
> the French did after WW II...I also believe being
> an occupied country is seen in the Arab world as
> such as insult to their nationalist and religious
> beliefs that sooner or later we will be 100%
> out..the sooner the better for them...the better
> for us.
> >


Some people missed the first part of my statement, and thought I was defending the neoconservative PNAC agenda.

I'm not saying we should stay, I'm only saying that the think-tanks and other interests that control our foreign policy will never let us leave.

It's interesting to note that the new centcom ME headquarters replacing the one in King Khalid Military City was built and operational well before 9/11, but after 9/11 our departure from Saudi Arabia became a pressing issue with the royal family and other princes and ministers. After all, one of their own had just orchestrated an attack on us in part for having our "infidel troops in the land of the two holy cities" or whatever pseudo-islamic BS osama claims to be using to justify his little jihad.

I think we should plant remote detonating nukes before we leave (like in the palaces), and then just take all our troops out. When Iran takes over the country, and sets up their new government - POOM - end of one majorly stupid problem.

Just call it a cache of WMD we missed that must have finally gone off.

Rv..you are such a stupid shit. By the end of the 8th year of the Obama administration Iran will be an ally of the US. If they take over Iraq it will be with the tascit approval of the US..thus allowing us to withdraw our troops.

You heard it here first buddy!



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> By the end of the
> 8th year of the Obama administration Iran will be
> an ally of the US.

They will be allies, but you have the order reversed. Like you said...



Vince(1) Wrote:
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> turn over Obama and
> other Al Queda members

Osama bin laden has said he WANTED us to get involved in a protacted conflict in the middle east so he can bankrupt the US just like the Soviet union bankrupted itself in Afghanistan. ok so parts 1 and 2 accomplished! I hear a wheezy laugh coming from a Cave somewhere.

ferfux Wrote:
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> Osama bin laden has said he WANTED us to get
> involved in a protacted conflict in the middle
> east so he can bankrupt the US just like the
> Soviet union bankrupted itself in Afghanistan. ok
> so parts 1 and 2 accomplished! I hear a wheezy
> laugh coming from a Cave somewhere.


Exactly..so far Osama 2...Western Civ 0. In hindsight one of the biggest mistakes was helping defeat the USSR in Afghanistan. If nothing else we traded freeing Eastern Europe for all the probalems with Iraq..Iran.,,Pakistan.



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Exactly..so far Obama 2...Western Civ 0.

are you trying to tell us something about the "real Obama"?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

oooooh Vinke1 had a Freudian SLIPPAGE! I dont see an OBAMA Variation!



Usage variations of bin Laden's name

Because there is no universally accepted standard in the West for transliterating Arabic words and names into English, bin Laden's name is transliterated in many ways. The version often used by most English-language mass media is Osama bin Laden. Most American government agencies, including the FBI and CIA, use either "Usama bin Laden" or "Usama bin Ladin", both of which are often abbreviated to UBL. Less common renderings include "Ussamah Bin Ladin" and "Oussama Ben Laden" (French-language mass media). The latter part of the name can also be found as "Binladen" or "Binladin".

Strictly speaking, Arabic linguistic conventions dictate that he be referred to as "Osama" or "Osama bin Laden", not "bin Laden," as "Bin Laden" is not used as a surname in the Western manner, but simply as part of his name, which in its entirety means "Osama, son of Mohammed, son of 'Awad, son of Laden". However, the bin Laden family (or "Binladin", as they prefer to be known) do generally use the name as a surname in the Western style. Consequently "bin Laden" has become nearly universal in Western references to him, Arabic convention notwithstanding.

Bin Laden also has several commonly used aliases and nicknames, including the Prince, the Sheikh, Al-Amir, Abu Abdallah, Sheikh Al-Mujahid, the Lion Sheik,[1] the Director, Imam Mehdi and Samaritan.[2]



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I just enjoy teasing everyone

WE SHOULD NUKE IRAQ AND MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS WILL BE OVER. THE TERRORISTS WILL BE DEAD AND WE CAN BE 100% THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE THERE. PLUS ISRAEL'S SAFETY WILL BE GUARANTEED.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I just enjoy teasing everyone

nice try but i dont buy that bullshit for a second.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Wiggles Wrote:
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> WE SHOULD NUKE IRAQ AND MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS WILL
> BE OVER. THE TERRORISTS WILL BE DEAD AND WE CAN BE
> 100% THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE
> THERE. PLUS ISRAEL'S SAFETY WILL BE GUARANTEED.

Youd have the entire Arabic world dedicated to nuking us in return

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > WE SHOULD NUKE IRAQ AND MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS
> WILL
> > BE OVER. THE TERRORISTS WILL BE DEAD AND WE CAN
> BE
> > 100% THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
> ARE
> > THERE. PLUS ISRAEL'S SAFETY WILL BE GUARANTEED.
>
> Youd have the entire Arabic world dedicated to
> nuking us in return


WHO CARES NUKE THEM BEFORE THEY CAN NUKE US.

Wiggles Wrote:
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> WE SHOULD NUKE IRAQ AND MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS WILL
> BE OVER. THE TERRORISTS WILL BE DEAD AND WE CAN BE
> 100% THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE
> THERE. PLUS ISRAEL'S SAFETY WILL BE GUARANTEED.


You ain't so bright, are you?

The problems with your idea:

1. "The terrorists" are at least 90% NON-IRAQI, so you'd really only be killing innocent people. The people you shit your pants every night worrying about are in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, Kuwait, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, North Africa, Indonesia, to name just a few places. And in all those places, they are a very insignificant percentage of the population (except Saudi Arabia, where they are all either terrorists or terrorist funders)

2. We are already 100% sure there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The people who told you they were there knew that all along, and it has since been acknowledged widely in the press.



 


3. What business is it of ours to be the sole provider for Israel's security? They've proved their ability to do it themselves by barging in there after WWII and pushing the Palestinians into ghettos, then by winning two wars against 5 or 6 nations simultaneously. Besides, by making Israel our protectorate, we go back to your first sentence, all of our worries would never go away as supporting Israel is one of the reasons "the terrorists" wish to keep you hiding under your bed every night.

citizen Wrote:
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> the truth is we only have one choice nuke the damn
> entire middle east region


We got seven canisters of CN-20. I say we roll them in there and nerve gas the whole fucking nest.



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Whoa, whoa, we don't even know if nerve gas will work.

get your guns now, get all you need to ward off homeland attacks in small communities, get long range weapons and lots of ammo, i live in small town ky and by God if these muslim fucks ever uprise in these parts, they will have no chance against the well prepared red necks i live around..... bring them muslim bastards on, i would love to see them run toward my neck of the woods along with thousands of other people who live here.... There is no room for love towards these people, they all must die, they hate us bottom line, and that will never change... kill em , kill em get your guns ready, we must defend ourselves and our generations to come...

You can't bomb a place into the stone age if they never left the stone age.
Rather than nuke the middle east, I think we should take the money we've been spending on bombs and instead build gigantic theme parks with cool roller coasters, water slides, cable cars, cotton candy, rock n roll and a petting zoo. The people there have NEVER had any fun in their lives at all (aside from Dubai and a few other areas). They have no idea what it's like to spend an entire day at peace and having a great time, therefore they have no idea what their missing. All they do is exist, breathe air, work (sometimes), eat (sometimes), read the qur'an, and dream about killing jews.
They need rock n roll! Something to inspire them to question authority and rebel against their oppressive governments. Very seldom do you ever find violent musicians.
They need bubble gum and fast cars and re-runs of Happy Days and Mork and Mindy.

Instead of killing them all, which we all know really isn't possible, we should
show them what their missing. Years of submitting to the man all this time has got to be wearing on them and government leaders all over the world should be putting the guilt trip on them for living in some of the most beautiful places and making a shambles out of them because of their dopey 4th century mindset.

Numbers Wrote:
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> You can't bomb a place into the stone age if they
> never left the stone age.
> Rather than nuke the middle east, I think we
> should take the money we've been spending on bombs
> and instead build gigantic theme parks with cool
> roller coasters, water slides, cable cars, cotton
> candy, rock n roll and a petting zoo. The people
> there have NEVER had any fun in their lives at all
> (aside from Dubai and a few other areas). They
> have no idea what it's like to spend an entire day
> at peace and having a great time, therefore they
> have no idea what their missing. All they do is
> exist, breathe air, work (sometimes), eat
> (sometimes), read the qur'an, and dream about
> killing jews.
> They need rock n roll! Something to inspire them
> to question authority and rebel against their
> oppressive governments. Very seldom do you ever
> find violent musicians.
> They need bubble gum and fast cars and re-runs
> of Happy Days and Mork and Mindy.
>
> Instead of killing them all, which we all know
> really isn't possible, we should
> show them what their missing. Years of submitting
> to the man all this time has got to be wearing on
> them and government leaders all over the world
> should be putting the guilt trip on them for
> living in some of the most beautiful places and
> making a shambles out of them because of their
> dopey 4th century mindset.

You mean we should try to achieve what they had in Iraq before the sanctions and our invasion? Like 98% literacy, a strong middle class, near-universal health care comparable to european standards, women in academia and government, amusement parks, water parks, schools and museums, etc? We should build in Iraq exactly the things we destroyed, in order to show them how it COULD BE?

You should do a little research on Iraq. Baghdad was the most westernized city in the Middle East, second to Teheran before the ayatollahs took over Iran.

I guess those damn lebanese could sure learn a thing or two from us about modernity, too. Except that, before the christian phalangists and the israelis and hezbollah started fighting the syrian/israeli proxy war there in the 80's, Beirut was considered a vacation paradise similar to nice and cannes, as well as the cultural, economic, intellectual and social center of the arab world in the 50's and 60's.



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Bob Wrote:

> You mean we should try to achieve what they had in
> Iraq before the sanctions and our invasion? Like
> 98% literacy, a strong middle class,
> near-universal health care comparable to european
> standards, women in academia and government,
> amusement parks, water parks, schools and museums,
> etc? We should build in Iraq exactly the things
> we destroyed, in order to show them how it COULD
> BE?
>
> You should do a little research on Iraq. Baghdad
> was the most westernized city in the Middle East,
> second to Teheran before the ayatollahs took over
> Iran.

Your joking right? Iraq was a shithole outside its many palaces built for Saddam. The rest of the country was poor and ravaged from the war with Iran.
However, compared to most of the middle east, Iraq probably would have been considered civilized.

Iran would have a chance if THEY can overthrow the assholes in charge there now, which I think might be sooner than later.

Lebanon was doing pretty good under secular rule, but then Hezballah took control and sent them swirling backwards in time.

Egypt would love to get with the program but are scared shitless of Islamic retribution. They've already made it clear they don't want any Palestinians in their country.
>
> I guess those damn lebanese could sure learn a
> thing or two from us about modernity, too. Except
> that, before the christian phalangists and the
> israelis and hezbollah started fighting the
> syrian/israeli proxy war there in the 80's, Beirut
> was considered a vacation paradise similar to nice
> and cannes, as well as the cultural, economic,
> intellectual and social center of the arab world
> in the 50's and 60's.


So it's all America's fault, right?
The FACT is, you can never build a forward thinking society when a government doctrine is firmly based on a religion, especially Islam. Iraq will never succeed until they separate church from state (and that aint gonna happen). It doesn't matter how many soldiers we have there or whether Iraqs army and police get their shit sorted out. Islamic governments are based solely around oppression and control. Islam, by it's nature, prevents anything we in the west consider enjoyable.

What's done is done. We can't go back in time to fix history. We have a chance (starting tomorrow) to change approaches. I propose that we use non violent subterfuge (the same thing their doing to us) to solve the middle east/ Islamic problem.

1) We start by finding alternative energy sources to ween us off foreign oil so we can get the hell out of any/all other countries.
2) We should focus the military solely on homeland protection and finding ways of detecting nuclear and biological weapons here and at the borders.
3) Begin working on an entirely new mobility infrastructure.
4) ASK other countries if they would like to have a large amusement park built in their country (instead of a military base), free of all religious and governmental restrictions. There would be rides, movies (iMax), shopping, music, dancing, food and fun for the whole family, all free.
5) Offer scientific and historic field trips to groups of people from the middle east to show them another way of thinking.
6) Offer to help build vacation resorts. This will help the economy and be a DMZ or sorts.

All this may be an impossible dream, but the bombs haven't worked and these people just keep having babies and those babies are taught immediately to hate people and to get on the Quran.
Even if you nuke them, they'll just come back and start the same shit.Plus, their scattered all over the world now.

If we bomb them with anything, it should be pictures of hot, naked, American and European women and pictures of South Beach, kids having fun at Kings Dominion, rappers with zero talent making millions, big screen TV's, electric guitars and the Golden Globes red carpet scenes.