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This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: December 31, 2010 11:37AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=208580827
LA SANTISIMA Pistol from 1930. Starting bid is $18,500. 14 karat gold, red rubies, and the grips are made of elephant ivory.
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LA SANTISIMA Pistol from 1930. Starting bid is $18,500. 14 karat gold, red rubies, and the grips are made of elephant ivory.
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Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: December 31, 2010 12:29PM
Well, it would go well with my Columbian drug lord halloween costume I've been working on.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
itchy
()
Date: December 31, 2010 12:46PM
Vios con dios (multiple loud gunshots) pinchi joto!!!!
I'd just like the opportunity to walk up to a drug lord with it and say "Joo see what I'mina kill Joo wit essay?"
I'd just like the opportunity to walk up to a drug lord with it and say "Joo see what I'mina kill Joo wit essay?"
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
dika-dika
()
Date: December 31, 2010 12:48PM
My two little Colt 45 auto babies.
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Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: December 31, 2010 02:09PM
That really is awesome.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Concealed Ornot
()
Date: December 31, 2010 02:19PM
When I read the title I saw "$18 pistol"...
In other news...
Has anyone "done a study" showing how many cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
I would imagine one or two shots would solve whatever problem one had, in general.
Meaning the largest caliber, smallest pistol would usually suffice.
Real question, BTW
In other news...
Has anyone "done a study" showing how many cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
I would imagine one or two shots would solve whatever problem one had, in general.
Meaning the largest caliber, smallest pistol would usually suffice.
Real question, BTW
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
dika-dika
()
Date: December 31, 2010 02:59PM
Concealed Ornot Wrote:
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> When I read the title I saw "$18 pistol"...
>
> In other news...
>
> Has anyone "done a study" showing how many
> cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
>
> I would imagine one or two shots would solve
> whatever problem one had, in general.
>
> Meaning the largest caliber, smallest pistol would
> usually suffice.
>
> Real question, BTW
Individuals have perferences on kind of gun, caliber and size on what they think or believe is lethal, but any size caliber and any type of gun can be lethal or stop someone on any given day. Test, have some on shoot you in the head with a BB gun, your guess would be good as mine if you survive.
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> When I read the title I saw "$18 pistol"...
>
> In other news...
>
> Has anyone "done a study" showing how many
> cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
>
> I would imagine one or two shots would solve
> whatever problem one had, in general.
>
> Meaning the largest caliber, smallest pistol would
> usually suffice.
>
> Real question, BTW
Individuals have perferences on kind of gun, caliber and size on what they think or believe is lethal, but any size caliber and any type of gun can be lethal or stop someone on any given day. Test, have some on shoot you in the head with a BB gun, your guess would be good as mine if you survive.
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Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Concealed Ornot
()
Date: December 31, 2010 03:31PM
My question had to do with actual self-defense results - in real "surprise - gimmee yer bucks! No way, take this instead!" scenario, in general (that's important), how many rounds are necessary to get the self-protection done?
If the answer is - "one big one" - or something similar, then it would seem that a large caliber derringer-sized weapon would suffice.
BTW - this is not a question about a cop being shot at with an AK-593 and having to return fire - I'm asking about a typical mugging where one, maybe two, bad guys say "Gimmee!" and the good guy says "No."
I think I've read that the vast majority of concealed carry actual self-protection events ended with NO shots being fired - for this question I'm assuming at least one shot had been fired.
I can imagine that even a non-pistol-shaped couple shot .45 would work fine. (large caliber to ensure bad guy disablement)
But I haven't a clue in reality.
If the answer is - "one big one" - or something similar, then it would seem that a large caliber derringer-sized weapon would suffice.
BTW - this is not a question about a cop being shot at with an AK-593 and having to return fire - I'm asking about a typical mugging where one, maybe two, bad guys say "Gimmee!" and the good guy says "No."
I think I've read that the vast majority of concealed carry actual self-protection events ended with NO shots being fired - for this question I'm assuming at least one shot had been fired.
I can imagine that even a non-pistol-shaped couple shot .45 would work fine. (large caliber to ensure bad guy disablement)
But I haven't a clue in reality.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: December 31, 2010 03:38PM
dika-dika Wrote:
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> Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When I read the title I saw "$18 pistol"...
> >
> > In other news...
> >
> > Has anyone "done a study" showing how many
> > cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
> >
> > I would imagine one or two shots would solve
> > whatever problem one had, in general.
> >
> > Meaning the largest caliber, smallest pistol
> would
> > usually suffice.
> >
> > Real question, BTW
>
> Individuals have perferences on kind of gun,
> caliber and size on what they think or believe is
> lethal, but any size caliber and any type of gun
> can be lethal or stop someone on any given day.
> Test, have some on shoot you in the head with a BB
> gun, your guess would be good as mine if you
> survive.
Not that I would prefer it for a self-defense situation, but I've witnessed a .22 drop a punk like a hot sack of potatoes.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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> Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When I read the title I saw "$18 pistol"...
> >
> > In other news...
> >
> > Has anyone "done a study" showing how many
> > cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
> >
> > I would imagine one or two shots would solve
> > whatever problem one had, in general.
> >
> > Meaning the largest caliber, smallest pistol
> would
> > usually suffice.
> >
> > Real question, BTW
>
> Individuals have perferences on kind of gun,
> caliber and size on what they think or believe is
> lethal, but any size caliber and any type of gun
> can be lethal or stop someone on any given day.
> Test, have some on shoot you in the head with a BB
> gun, your guess would be good as mine if you
> survive.
Not that I would prefer it for a self-defense situation, but I've witnessed a .22 drop a punk like a hot sack of potatoes.
==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Concealed Ornot
()
Date: December 31, 2010 03:43PM
To take the thought a little further - the two (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty darn small - but if the front parts were reduced back to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics inside those front parts won't allow it, I know) then the guns would even be smaller, lighter, and easier to carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for such a weapon I'd think the only valid answer would be "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm describing (and most such self-defense situations) the bad guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
dika-dika
()
Date: December 31, 2010 04:04PM
Concealed Ornot Wrote:
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> To take the thought a little further - the two
> (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty darn
> small - but if the front parts were reduced back
> to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics inside
> those front parts won't allow it, I know) then the
> guns would even be smaller, lighter, and easier to
> carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for such a
> weapon I'd think the only valid answer would be
> "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm describing
> (and most such self-defense situations) the bad
> guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
My idea self defense engagement zone is less than 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on range hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily, does that bullet have enough energy to stop/penetrate clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I wouldn't stand out there and test it.
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> To take the thought a little further - the two
> (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty darn
> small - but if the front parts were reduced back
> to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics inside
> those front parts won't allow it, I know) then the
> guns would even be smaller, lighter, and easier to
> carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for such a
> weapon I'd think the only valid answer would be
> "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm describing
> (and most such self-defense situations) the bad
> guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
My idea self defense engagement zone is less than 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on range hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily, does that bullet have enough energy to stop/penetrate clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I wouldn't stand out there and test it.
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Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
$18,000 - are you NUTS ?!
()
Date: December 31, 2010 04:21PM
LOOKS LIKE A PISS-POORLY CUSTOMIZED GUN THAT ONLY SOME
CLASSLESS COLUMBIAN DRUG DEALER WOULD GET CAUGHT DEAD WITH.
The right hand side Reaper looks like he has DOWNS SYNDROME.
And the left side pistol grip Reaper looks like a
PEDOPHILE playing with himself.
I'll give you 18 PENNIES for that rusty piece of shit, ONLY if it FIRES.
CLASSLESS COLUMBIAN DRUG DEALER WOULD GET CAUGHT DEAD WITH.
The right hand side Reaper looks like he has DOWNS SYNDROME.
And the left side pistol grip Reaper looks like a
PEDOPHILE playing with himself.
I'll give you 18 PENNIES for that rusty piece of shit, ONLY if it FIRES.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Concealed Ornot
()
Date: December 31, 2010 04:43PM
> My idea self defense engagement zone is less than 15ft...
Yeah, outside that and it's a battle, not self-protection - and inside that distance whacking a cartridge with a nail is probably accurate enough.
Yeah, outside that and it's a battle, not self-protection - and inside that distance whacking a cartridge with a nail is probably accurate enough.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: December 31, 2010 04:55PM
dika-dika Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To take the thought a little further - the two
> > (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty
> darn
> > small - but if the front parts were reduced
> back
> > to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics
> inside
> > those front parts won't allow it, I know) then
> the
> > guns would even be smaller, lighter, and easier
> to
> > carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for such
> a
> > weapon I'd think the only valid answer would be
> > "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm describing
> > (and most such self-defense situations) the bad
> > guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
>
>
> My idea self defense engagement zone is less than
> 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch
> barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on range
> hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily, does
> that bullet have enough energy to stop/penetrate
> clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I wouldn't
> stand out there and test it.
Many years ago, in high school, my dumbass of a friend made a bet with some kid to fire BB pistols at eachother's arms from about 30-40 feet away. Little did he know, my friend took the BB's out of the other kid's gun, so he fired, and my friend pretended to get hit, but it was nothing. Then my friend picked up the BB gun, and he loaded a clip of BB's into it without the other kid seeing, then he shot him with it. Even from that distance, and fired from a basic air pistol, the BB embedded into the skin of his arm. Needless to say, any gun more powerful than a .177 BB is going to penetrate basic clothing at 50 ft. A thick, heavy leather jacket might stop a small round from that distance, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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> Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To take the thought a little further - the two
> > (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty
> darn
> > small - but if the front parts were reduced
> back
> > to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics
> inside
> > those front parts won't allow it, I know) then
> the
> > guns would even be smaller, lighter, and easier
> to
> > carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for such
> a
> > weapon I'd think the only valid answer would be
> > "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm describing
> > (and most such self-defense situations) the bad
> > guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
>
>
> My idea self defense engagement zone is less than
> 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch
> barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on range
> hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily, does
> that bullet have enough energy to stop/penetrate
> clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I wouldn't
> stand out there and test it.
Many years ago, in high school, my dumbass of a friend made a bet with some kid to fire BB pistols at eachother's arms from about 30-40 feet away. Little did he know, my friend took the BB's out of the other kid's gun, so he fired, and my friend pretended to get hit, but it was nothing. Then my friend picked up the BB gun, and he loaded a clip of BB's into it without the other kid seeing, then he shot him with it. Even from that distance, and fired from a basic air pistol, the BB embedded into the skin of his arm. Needless to say, any gun more powerful than a .177 BB is going to penetrate basic clothing at 50 ft. A thick, heavy leather jacket might stop a small round from that distance, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
dika-dika
()
Date: December 31, 2010 05:10PM
ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> dika-dika Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > To take the thought a little further - the
> two
> > > (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty
> > darn
> > > small - but if the front parts were reduced
> > back
> > > to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics
> > inside
> > > those front parts won't allow it, I know)
> then
> > the
> > > guns would even be smaller, lighter, and
> easier
> > to
> > > carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for
> such
> > a
> > > weapon I'd think the only valid answer would
> be
> > > "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm
> describing
> > > (and most such self-defense situations) the
> bad
> > > guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
> >
> >
> > My idea self defense engagement zone is less
> than
> > 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch
> > barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on
> range
> > hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily,
> does
> > that bullet have enough energy to
> stop/penetrate
> > clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I
> wouldn't
> > stand out there and test it.
>
>
> Many years ago, in high school, my dumbass of a
> friend made a bet with some kid to fire BB pistols
> at eachother's arms from about 30-40 feet away.
> Little did he know, my friend took the BB's out of
> the other kid's gun, so he fired, and my friend
> pretended to get hit, but it was nothing. Then my
> friend picked up the BB gun, and he loaded a clip
> of BB's into it without the other kid seeing, then
> he shot him with it. Even from that distance, and
> fired from a basic air pistol, the BB embedded
> into the skin of his arm. Needless to say, any gun
> more powerful than a .177 BB is going to penetrate
> basic clothing at 50 ft. A thick, heavy leather
> jacket might stop a small round from that
> distance, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
Amen, In my little war experience, the real reason for flak/bullet vest was not give you extra protection but to hold your guts inside you until you got medical aid. I would not trust kelvar either.
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> dika-dika Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > To take the thought a little further - the
> two
> > > (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty
> > darn
> > > small - but if the front parts were reduced
> > back
> > > to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics
> > inside
> > > those front parts won't allow it, I know)
> then
> > the
> > > guns would even be smaller, lighter, and
> easier
> > to
> > > carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for
> such
> > a
> > > weapon I'd think the only valid answer would
> be
> > > "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm
> describing
> > > (and most such self-defense situations) the
> bad
> > > guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
> >
> >
> > My idea self defense engagement zone is less
> than
> > 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch
> > barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on
> range
> > hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily,
> does
> > that bullet have enough energy to
> stop/penetrate
> > clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I
> wouldn't
> > stand out there and test it.
>
>
> Many years ago, in high school, my dumbass of a
> friend made a bet with some kid to fire BB pistols
> at eachother's arms from about 30-40 feet away.
> Little did he know, my friend took the BB's out of
> the other kid's gun, so he fired, and my friend
> pretended to get hit, but it was nothing. Then my
> friend picked up the BB gun, and he loaded a clip
> of BB's into it without the other kid seeing, then
> he shot him with it. Even from that distance, and
> fired from a basic air pistol, the BB embedded
> into the skin of his arm. Needless to say, any gun
> more powerful than a .177 BB is going to penetrate
> basic clothing at 50 ft. A thick, heavy leather
> jacket might stop a small round from that
> distance, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
Amen, In my little war experience, the real reason for flak/bullet vest was not give you extra protection but to hold your guts inside you until you got medical aid. I would not trust kelvar either.
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Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
*POT LEAF GUN*
()
Date: December 31, 2010 05:22PM
THE GOLD POT LEAVES ARE A NICE TOUCH.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: February 14, 2014 04:32AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=392916128
Started at $18,500.00
COLT MODEL 1911 CALIBER 38 SUPER THIS IS THE HARD TO FIND "SUPERMATCH" MODEL, HANDENGRAVED,MOUNTED ON GENUINE IVORY GRIPS HANDCARVED DEEP RELIEF STYLE WITH NATURAL BURMA RUBIES AND COLOMBIAN EMERALDS
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Started at $18,500.00
COLT MODEL 1911 CALIBER 38 SUPER THIS IS THE HARD TO FIND "SUPERMATCH" MODEL, HANDENGRAVED,MOUNTED ON GENUINE IVORY GRIPS HANDCARVED DEEP RELIEF STYLE WITH NATURAL BURMA RUBIES AND COLOMBIAN EMERALDS
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Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Armed Gringo
()
Date: February 14, 2014 04:47AM
Why are these beaner killers worth so much. Does the 27655 denote the number of dead beaner kilt, thats a drop in the bucket for beaner country. Maybe it denotes the number of gringos kilt, a lot dead ass gringos. Beaners are still killing gringos today, at least faster than we deport them bastards and them birthing beaners.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
()
Date: February 14, 2014 08:02AM
ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> dika-dika Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > To take the thought a little further - the
> two
> > > (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty
> > darn
> > > small - but if the front parts were reduced
> > back
> > > to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics
> > inside
> > > those front parts won't allow it, I know)
> then
> > the
> > > guns would even be smaller, lighter, and
> easier
> > to
> > > carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for
> such
> > a
> > > weapon I'd think the only valid answer would
> be
> > > "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm
> describing
> > > (and most such self-defense situations) the
> bad
> > > guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
> >
> >
> > My idea self defense engagement zone is less
> than
> > 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch
> > barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on
> range
> > hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily,
> does
> > that bullet have enough energy to
> stop/penetrate
> > clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I
> wouldn't
> > stand out there and test it.
>
>
> Many years ago, in high school, my dumbass of a
> friend made a bet with some kid to fire BB pistols
> at eachother's arms from about 30-40 feet away.
> Little did he know, my friend took the BB's out of
> the other kid's gun, so he fired, and my friend
> pretended to get hit, but it was nothing. Then my
> friend picked up the BB gun, and he loaded a clip
> of BB's into it without the other kid seeing, then
> he shot him with it. Even from that distance, and
> fired from a basic air pistol, the BB embedded
> into the skin of his arm. Needless to say, any gun
> more powerful than a .177 BB is going to penetrate
> basic clothing at 50 ft. A thick, heavy leather
> jacket might stop a small round from that
> distance, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
I've seen a leather jacket stop a .25 auto from 10 ft in a bar.
-------------------------------------------------------
> dika-dika Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Concealed Ornot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > To take the thought a little further - the
> two
> > > (quite nice) .45s pictured above are pretty
> > darn
> > > small - but if the front parts were reduced
> > back
> > > to the finger guard (ok, ok, the mechanics
> > inside
> > > those front parts won't allow it, I know)
> then
> > the
> > > guns would even be smaller, lighter, and
> easier
> > to
> > > carry. As far as ACCURACY is concerned for
> such
> > a
> > > weapon I'd think the only valid answer would
> be
> > > "Who cares?"; for the situation I'm
> describing
> > > (and most such self-defense situations) the
> bad
> > > guys are within arms length or so of the gun.
> >
> >
> > My idea self defense engagement zone is less
> than
> > 15ft with both of those guns (3.5inch
> > barrels/230gr JHP Hydra shock). I have on
> range
> > hit a man size target at 50 ft very easily,
> does
> > that bullet have enough energy to
> stop/penetrate
> > clothing of some one at 50 to any ft? I
> wouldn't
> > stand out there and test it.
>
>
> Many years ago, in high school, my dumbass of a
> friend made a bet with some kid to fire BB pistols
> at eachother's arms from about 30-40 feet away.
> Little did he know, my friend took the BB's out of
> the other kid's gun, so he fired, and my friend
> pretended to get hit, but it was nothing. Then my
> friend picked up the BB gun, and he loaded a clip
> of BB's into it without the other kid seeing, then
> he shot him with it. Even from that distance, and
> fired from a basic air pistol, the BB embedded
> into the skin of his arm. Needless to say, any gun
> more powerful than a .177 BB is going to penetrate
> basic clothing at 50 ft. A thick, heavy leather
> jacket might stop a small round from that
> distance, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
I've seen a leather jacket stop a .25 auto from 10 ft in a bar.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
It's been done
()
Date: February 14, 2014 08:35AM
Concealed Ornot Wrote:
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> My question had to do with actual self-defense
> results - in real "surprise - gimmee yer bucks! No
> way, take this instead!" scenario, in general
> (that's important), how many rounds are necessary
> to get the self-protection done?
>
> If the answer is - "one big one" - or something
> similar, then it would seem that a large caliber
> derringer-sized weapon would suffice.
>
> BTW - this is not a question about a cop being
> shot at with an AK-593 and having to return fire -
> I'm asking about a typical mugging where one,
> maybe two, bad guys say "Gimmee!" and the good guy
> says "No."
>
> I think I've read that the vast majority of
> concealed carry actual self-protection events
> ended with NO shots being fired - for this
> question I'm assuming at least one shot had been
> fired.
>
> I can imagine that even a non-pistol-shaped couple
> shot .45 would work fine. (large caliber to ensure
> bad guy disablement)
>
> But I haven't a clue in reality.
Joe Biden has done the research. Two shots from a shotgun from the porch into the sky.
-------------------------------------------------------
> My question had to do with actual self-defense
> results - in real "surprise - gimmee yer bucks! No
> way, take this instead!" scenario, in general
> (that's important), how many rounds are necessary
> to get the self-protection done?
>
> If the answer is - "one big one" - or something
> similar, then it would seem that a large caliber
> derringer-sized weapon would suffice.
>
> BTW - this is not a question about a cop being
> shot at with an AK-593 and having to return fire -
> I'm asking about a typical mugging where one,
> maybe two, bad guys say "Gimmee!" and the good guy
> says "No."
>
> I think I've read that the vast majority of
> concealed carry actual self-protection events
> ended with NO shots being fired - for this
> question I'm assuming at least one shot had been
> fired.
>
> I can imagine that even a non-pistol-shaped couple
> shot .45 would work fine. (large caliber to ensure
> bad guy disablement)
>
> But I haven't a clue in reality.
Joe Biden has done the research. Two shots from a shotgun from the porch into the sky.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
QuickDrawMcGraw
()
Date: February 14, 2014 08:55AM
Armed Gringo Wrote:
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> Why are these beaner killers worth so much. Does
> the 27655 denote the number of dead beaner kilt,
> thats a drop in the bucket for beaner country.
> Maybe it denotes the number of gringos kilt, a lot
> dead ass gringos. Beaners are still killing
> gringos today, at least faster than we deport them
> bastards and them birthing beaners.
It's only worth what someone is willing to pay. I wouldn't buy it.
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> Why are these beaner killers worth so much. Does
> the 27655 denote the number of dead beaner kilt,
> thats a drop in the bucket for beaner country.
> Maybe it denotes the number of gringos kilt, a lot
> dead ass gringos. Beaners are still killing
> gringos today, at least faster than we deport them
> bastards and them birthing beaners.
It's only worth what someone is willing to pay. I wouldn't buy it.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Jfjjfb
()
Date: February 14, 2014 09:58AM
Too bad it'll jam all the time like all 1911's.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: February 14, 2014 01:22PM
Jfjjfb Wrote:
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> Too bad it'll jam all the time like all 1911's.
Sorry that you bought an Armscor 1911, next time try a Colt or a Kimber.
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> Too bad it'll jam all the time like all 1911's.
Sorry that you bought an Armscor 1911, next time try a Colt or a Kimber.
Re: This $18k Pistol is Awesome
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 005
()
Date: February 14, 2014 05:42PM
Concealed Ornot Wrote:
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> When I read the title I saw "$18 pistol"...
>
> In other news...
>
> Has anyone "done a study" showing how many
> cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
>
> I would imagine one or two shots would solve
> whatever problem one had, in general.
Not if theres two or three people, or you miss, or it jams/doesnt fire and you have to waste a round clearing it, or the shot wasnt lethal and they can still return fire ect.
Youre lifes on the line in such a situation, its better to have 10 and need 2 than have 2 and need 3.
If you want to use the average police shooting as an indicator its almost always multiple rounds even if no shots were fired by the otherside. A lot of the times its multiple rounds from multiple people as well.
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> When I read the title I saw "$18 pistol"...
>
> In other news...
>
> Has anyone "done a study" showing how many
> cartridges a self-defense weapon should have?
>
> I would imagine one or two shots would solve
> whatever problem one had, in general.
Not if theres two or three people, or you miss, or it jams/doesnt fire and you have to waste a round clearing it, or the shot wasnt lethal and they can still return fire ect.
Youre lifes on the line in such a situation, its better to have 10 and need 2 than have 2 and need 3.
If you want to use the average police shooting as an indicator its almost always multiple rounds even if no shots were fired by the otherside. A lot of the times its multiple rounds from multiple people as well.