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Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 14, 2008 08:49AM

Nothing says "victory" like secretly sneaking into a country we supposedly "liberated" five years ago...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28220165/


I guess the fact they used Air Force One and didn't come in under cover of darkness is an improvement. But still, did Truman have to sneak into Europe in 1950?

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 14, 2008 02:39PM

Mission Accomplished...



...This summarizes the whole Iraq debacle. So much for Bush's "Victory Tour."

P.S. - Can anyone explain to me how Bush is in a war zone and the Secret Service is unable to protect him from shoes, much less a gunman or grenades.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2008 02:41PM by WashingToneLocian.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 14, 2008 03:12PM

Here's the NBC Breaking News item on the shoe assault...




...The sad thing is, many Americans would have done the same thing given the chance. Bush has ruined at least two countries, maybe three.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Big Poppa Pump ()
Date: December 14, 2008 03:16PM

Bush is pretty alert! High dexterity for him. Good aim on thrower's part too. Secret Service was REAL slow on that one. Took them at least 3 seconds to get out there. SHame on them.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: December 14, 2008 03:25PM

yawn

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 14, 2008 04:37PM

Big Poppa Pump Wrote:
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> Bush is pretty alert! High dexterity for him.

It's probably from all those years of Barbara and Laura Bush throwing shit at him behind closed doors.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: December 14, 2008 05:05PM

Big Poppa Pump Wrote:
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> Bush is pretty alert! High dexterity for him. Good
> aim on thrower's part too. Secret Service was REAL
> slow on that one. Took them at least 3 seconds to
> get out there. SHame on them.


If those had been anything but shoes (knives, grenades, etc) the outcome would have been a bit worse. Shame on the poor security situation.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 14, 2008 05:13PM

I can't wait to play the flash game of this.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: December 14, 2008 05:29PM

lol, it's not already up somewhere ?!

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 14, 2008 07:37PM

that is fantastic....it's hard to imagine he is as unpopular there as he is here. That's exactly what he deserves....on behalf of all amerikans.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 14, 2008 07:40PM

It's all a great misunderstanding due to cultural differences. This is how they welcome liberators in Iraq.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: December 14, 2008 09:25PM

hahahaha secret service thinking. "I wouldnt jump in front of a shoe for this guy"


The look on his face reminds me if austen powers. "Who throws a shoe! Honestly! ow that really hurt!

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: RamblinRamboRedneck ()
Date: December 14, 2008 09:32PM

Too bad the President didnt catch the shoes and keep them. He
could have given them to WhoSane? Obama for Christmas. Looks
like he needs some new ones:

http://www.dailywaste.com/pictures/barack-obama-needs-new-shoes.html

The reporter was obviously mad because Saddam WhoSane is no longer
in power.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: December 14, 2008 09:59PM

hahahahahaha.

the beginning of the vid he is all givin the Iraqi guy the half bro Hug hand slap

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 14, 2008 10:21PM

Big Poppa Pump Wrote:
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> Bush is pretty alert! High dexterity for him. Good
> aim on thrower's part too. Secret Service was REAL
> slow on that one. Took them at least 3 seconds to
> get out there. SHame on them.


I don't think the Secret Service deserves any shit for this one. This was in a closed meeting with Iraqi ministers and the media. I'm sure they cleared everyone so thoroughly that they knew nobody had any weapons and were more concerned with securing the exterior.

And some quick thinking Iraqi minister dude decides to toss a shoe! No real danger anyway, but a hilariously good symbol of the whole debacle.

Besides, if Bush can't take a whack to the head with a shoe, what could he take?

He gets credit for the great dodge, too.

John Stewart asked this question about something Bush said recently, and maybe it applies to the entire last days in office. I looked everywhere for a clip, but basically, bush said something outrageous and Jon Stewart says "It's almost as if the entire last 8 years was just a set up for this punch line".

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 15, 2008 10:04AM


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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: December 15, 2008 10:16AM

LMAO
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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 15, 2008 11:14AM

Lurker. Wrote:
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> LMAO


The Daily News is giving the New York Post a run for its money.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 15, 2008 01:39PM

The guy was a reporter for a newspaper in Egypt. In Egypt, if he had thrown that shoe at Mubarak, he would be dead already.

In Iraq before Saddam was removed, if he had thrown a show at Saddam or any of his sons, he would have died on the spot.

I call it progress. And Bush laughed it off - which is what it was - laughable.

I do like the Shoe-icide Attack though :)

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 15, 2008 02:12PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> In Iraq before Saddam was removed, if he had
> thrown a show at Saddam or any of his sons, he
> would have died on the spot.
>

That was worth $1 trillion of our money and 4,200 American lives. Not.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 15, 2008 02:22PM

Sure it was.

We can always measure things in hindsight, but based on what we knew at the time - this is progress. If we knew all that we know now - sure we probably wouldn't have done it quite this way. Measuring Today's results by Today's reality is not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to torture yourself.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 15, 2008 02:38PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Sure it was.
>
> We can always measure things in hindsight, but
> based on what we knew at the time - this is
> progress. If we knew all that we know now - sure
> we probably wouldn't have done it quite this way.
> Measuring Today's results by Today's reality is
> not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
> torture yourself.


I thought invading Iraq was stupid back in 2003. So did a lot of other people. It wasn't hard to see the possible outcomes if you had listened to what Powell, Bush Sr., etc. had said in the 90s.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 15, 2008 02:39PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> The guy was a reporter for a newspaper in Egypt.
> In Egypt, if he had thrown that shoe at Mubarak,
> he would be dead already.
>
> In Iraq before Saddam was removed, if he had
> thrown a show at Saddam or any of his sons, he
> would have died on the spot.
>
> I call it progress. And Bush laughed it off -
> which is what it was - laughable.
>
> I do like the Shoe-icide Attack though :)


If this had happened as the last US troop leaves Iraq...the guy would have been proclaimed as a national hero! The Iraq War began on a lie...it will end on a lie "Victory!"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2008 02:40PM by Vince(1).

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Rama19 ()
Date: December 15, 2008 02:45PM

Well, in light of this shoe attack, perhaps the Bush administration should have been looking for wingtips of mass destruction.

28,000,000 Iraqis x 2 feet = 64,000,000 potential missiles. Even if you take a conservative estimate and eliminate the people without two legs it is still a high number - astonishing.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 15, 2008 02:48PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sure it was.
> >
> > We can always measure things in hindsight, but
> > based on what we knew at the time - this is
> > progress. If we knew all that we know now -
> sure
> > we probably wouldn't have done it quite this
> way.
> > Measuring Today's results by Today's reality is
> > not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
> > torture yourself.
>
>
> I thought invading Iraq was stupid back in 2003.
> So did a lot of other people. It wasn't hard to
> see the possible outcomes if you had listened to
> what Powell, Bush Sr., etc. had said in the 90s.

So the outcome was all that mattered? And yet here we are, after a little blood, sweat and tears - and maybe the world will be better for it. Powell still decided to back the plan, although he told them that once they broke it they would have to fix it. All things considered, if you took Iran and Syria's meddling out of it, Iraq would have been stabilized a lot sooner.

Better obviously that we just ignore these folks and let them develop their bombs and such and blow each other up? Because that seems to be the common liberal consensus if you follow through with the usual logic presented.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: December 15, 2008 02:48PM

Rama19 Wrote:
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> Well, in light of this shoe attack, perhaps the
> Bush administration should have been looking for
> wingtips of mass destruction.
>
> 28,000,000 Iraqis x 2 feet = 64,000,000 potential
> missiles. Even if you take a conservative estimate
> and eliminate the people without two legs it is
> still a high number - astonishing.

I understand that Elizabeth Shue has been added to the government's No Fly List.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Rama19 ()
Date: December 15, 2008 02:55PM

Yeah, that is true - her brother too but that may be more as a punishment for Melrose Place.



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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 15, 2008 02:56PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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1. Measuring Today's results by Today's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.


lol what a fucking statement..let's look at the permutations of that statement and see which one is true.

2. Measuring Today's results by Yesterday's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

3. Measuring Today's results by Tomorrow's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

4. Measuring Yesterday's results by Yesterday's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

5. Measuring Yesterday's results by Tomorrow's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

6. Measuring Tomorrow's results by Yesterday's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

7. Measuring Tomorrow's results by Today's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

8. Measuring Tomorrow's results by Tomorrow's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

Do any of those statements make any sense to anyone? To a soldier killed or wounded in Iraq? To the 600k innocent civilians killed in Iraq? And do you know why? Because the war in Iraq makes no sense. All we need to do is declare victory and get the hell out!



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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Rama19 ()
Date: December 15, 2008 03:02PM

Makes no sense to me but Wimpy will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 15, 2008 03:02PM

Yes, keep focusing on the 600K deaths that are based on a flawed study.

You can break down the statement all you want, I know YOU will never get it.

If you look at the justifications at the time the war started, and where we are today, I would say Iraq is the better for it in the long run. If you look at what we know today, and how this has turned out, then no, it probably wasn't worth it. Unfortunately you can't go back and remake history - what you can do though is move forward, and try to make the best of a bad situation. If you want to sit there and constantly whine about how your glass is half empty, then you probably will just be miserable the rest of your life.

Sure, it is tragic that ANYONE was killed because of the idiot Saddam. In all the wars he waged against Iran, Kuwait, and his own people. In the two wars led against him by the US. Unfortunately what's done is done at this point.

In some other posts I would think you would be happy with a 600K loss of life since I thought that most global warming folks believe the only way to truly combat it is to reduce humanity. So in a way, by that logic, Bush was fighting global warming. A win.

You are pathetic Vince.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 15, 2008 03:05PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
>>> the shoe assault...


Once again we have to rely on foreigners to do the job most Americans aren't willing to do.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: whoooo ()
Date: December 15, 2008 03:27PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> The guy was a reporter for a newspaper in Egypt.
> In Egypt, if he had thrown that shoe at Mubarak,
> he would be dead already.
>
> In Iraq before Saddam was removed, if he had
> thrown a show at Saddam or any of his sons, he
> would have died on the spot.
>


If this happened in the U.S.A. the guy would have gotten tazered. At least.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Frenchie ()
Date: December 15, 2008 03:29PM

Or labeled a "maverick" and elected to public office as a conservative candidate.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 15, 2008 05:52PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yes, keep focusing on the 600K deaths that are
> based on a flawed study.
>
> You can break down the statement all you want, I
> know YOU will never get it.
>
> If you look at the justifications at the time the
> war started, and where we are today, I would say
> Iraq is the better for it in the long run. If you
> look at what we know today, and how this has
> turned out, then no, it probably wasn't worth it.
> Unfortunately you can't go back and remake history
> - what you can do though is move forward, and try
> to make the best of a bad situation. If you want
> to sit there and constantly whine about how your
> glass is half empty, then you probably will just
> be miserable the rest of your life.
>
> Sure, it is tragic that ANYONE was killed because
> of the idiot Saddam. In all the wars he waged
> against Iran, Kuwait, and his own people. In the
> two wars led against him by the US. Unfortunately
> what's done is done at this point.
>
> In some other posts I would think you would be
> happy with a 600K loss of life since I thought
> that most global warming folks believe the only
> way to truly combat it is to reduce humanity. So
> in a way, by that logic, Bush was fighting global
> warming. A win.
>
> You are pathetic Vince.


I'll just point out that when Saddam was busy killing his own people he was an ally of the uS. We just loved the way he was engaged with Iran. The rest of your comments make no sense.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Rowsdower ()
Date: December 15, 2008 07:32PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Do any of those statements make any sense to
> anyone? To a soldier killed or wounded in Iraq?

Were you ever a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine?

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 15, 2008 09:37PM

Rowsdower Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do any of those statements make any sense to
> > anyone? To a soldier killed or wounded in Iraq?
>
>
> Were you ever a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine?


Instead of asking questions..why not just make your point? And what about my statement has anything to do with me being or not being in the military? Mine is a political statement..not a statement for or against the military. It merely states my opinion...I wouldnt want a son or daughter of mine to be hurt or killed in Iraq..and I dont think anyone's son or daughter should either. If you are of a different opinion...fine! You are entitled just as much but not a tad more then I am entitled to mine. That right to express opinions is what our military defends..citizens do not need to earn that right....we are born with it...the military defends it!



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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Rowsdower ()
Date: December 15, 2008 10:09PM

But don't speak for soldiers. Service members know what they are signing up for.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 15, 2008 10:53PM

Rowsdower Wrote:
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> But don't speak for soldiers. Service members
> know what they are signing up for.


I try not to..and accept your comment. thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Rowsdower ()
Date: December 15, 2008 11:11PM

Fair nuff

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 16, 2008 12:52AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I'll just point out that when Saddam was busy
> killing his own people he was an ally of the uS.
> We just loved the way he was engaged with Iran.
> The rest of your comments make no sense.


Actually, he was fighting a proxy war against Iran, for the US. Why do you think Rumsfeld shook hands with him?

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 16, 2008 07:04AM

Bob Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'll just point out that when Saddam was busy
> > killing his own people he was an ally of the uS.
>
> > We just loved the way he was engaged with Iran.
>
> > The rest of your comments make no sense.
>
>
> Actually, he was fighting a proxy war against
> Iran, for the US. Why do you think Rumsfeld shook
> hands with him?

We have had our fingers deep into Iraq for a long time...it is time to get out...completely.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 16, 2008 12:29PM

Cold War

Remember that? That is why Iran and Iraq have been pushed into keeping each other off balance over the years. The current energy situation is indicative of the kind of results they were trying to avoid. If you don't understand why, then get a book and read about it, or Google why Iran and Iraq were important to Soviet/Russia (and still are).

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 16, 2008 12:45PM

Whatever their importance..our policy to occupy Iraq for the next 100 years is a loosing policy.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 16, 2008 12:47PM

Much like the one where we still occupy Germany and other European countries. Even South Korea.

Do you even understand the concept of why we are still in Germany Vince? Or South Korea?

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: December 16, 2008 01:01PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> our policy to occupy
> Iraq for the next 100 years is a loosing policy.

As opposed to a tighting policy.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 16, 2008 03:32PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Much like the one where we still occupy Germany
> and other European countries. Even South Korea.
>
> Do you even understand the concept of why we are
> still in Germany Vince? Or South Korea?


yup..to bolster their economy...spread our empire...destroy their culture...and to theoretically defend their freedom. Your examples are the best...they show how even when the threat is diminished and virtually gone in Europe..and to the point in Korea where the S. Korean president asks our president when the war will be declared over...we stay...and we stay....and we stay.

P.S. Another reason we stay overseas is to support an over bloated military that we would fear having on our own soil.

What else oh great shit head?

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 16, 2008 03:44PM

What changes have we made to the German culture? That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. And yes, let me just say this - IF there was going to be a world government established at some point, and we even take these stupid arguments of "empire" as legitimate... who would you rather be in charge? A bunch of dictators, or mob-type thugs arguing a government? Or a democracy of some sort, either representative or otherwise? Because you make it sound like we are the bad guys here, and if you believe that you obviously missed the boat.

Over-bloated military? Good lord you are even more full of shit then I thought. What, you think everyone is just going to go an kumbaya because we aren't out there spreading death and destruction (per your interpretation)? You live in a fucking dream world Vince - go get a real job and do something with yourself. Seriously, you are 12, 15 years old? Because your sense of reality is about at that level of understanding.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 16, 2008 04:52PM

Please..you conveniently ask about the one country who we had very little cultural differences with to begin with..and even there our influence has been significant and adverse...just look at the number of McDonald's there are in Germany today...look at the movies they watch..the books they read....all are US influenced. The cultural imapct on Korea and Japan are even more horrific.

And to play your stupid game of which empire would you rather rule the world is ludicrous. It assumes the world needs empires...we don't and it is illogical to think if we dont fill the empire role..somebody else will...the world can survive very well without us RV...very well!

And I assume you think we are the good guys...how convenient! I dont think the gentlemen who threw the shoes at Bush thinks so. Neither do I think a majority of his survivng countrymen do. We are occupiers of the first degree..equal to the Romans...equal to the Greeks...equal to the Turks.

And yes...an overbloated military that is adveresely impacting our influence throughout the world...impacting our economy and eventaully maybe even our democracy. It is a very sad state of affairs when the military is the best option for a young person to improve their lot in life. They attract the best and the brightest that should be going to the real strength on this country our civilian economy.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 16, 2008 05:10PM

Now it’s OUR turn! Send your shoes to:
George Bush
White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500-0003

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 16, 2008 05:12PM

*raise eyebrow* ....

Our civilian economy is in the shitter atm, or did you miss that? Why in the world would we want to bring home the military and put them out of work now?

And I didn't say we wanted to be an empire - I am talking about World Government (which is getting bandied about a lot lately). The UN is as useful as a turd scooper in a diarrhea storm, but folks seem to want to vest them with even more power - what a bunch of idiots. You are the one that keeps saying we are "empire building" - which is a load of shit. We don't sit there and tell those people how to live their lives - they owe no allegiance to our government (can you cay Iraq war), and they have their own economies. Are we to blame that 90% of the immigrants come to the US because we are "bad people"? You ever speak to Chinese immigrants or students that come over? They LOVE IT in the US. No worries that their neighbor is going to turn them in for having said something incorrect - or being forced into a school or curriculum based on how you score on a test or what the State thinks is your best career choice. Sure, it has gotten a little better over there - but when you can displace 2 million people to build a dam without so much as a "by your leave" - well I think that would be a problem.

So IF - and lets go with IF - someone were to propose a World Government Vince, would you want it to be some global democracy where every vote counts, and the Chinese alone could out vote everyone on any vote? Seriously?

Again, you are PATHETIC.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 16, 2008 05:17PM

Who are you quoting when you say "bad people"....not me. Bad last 8 years of anagressive and militaristic administration yes...."bad people"...no..I didnt say that.

All the rest is just silly talk..silly..silly...silly..go play in the corner...and take your hands out of your pants already.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 16, 2008 05:21PM

blah blah blah blah

Normal Vince response when he has nothing meaningful to say, or no answer to the question posed.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 16, 2008 09:48PM

Here's my answer....

Measuring Today's results by Tomorrow's reality is
not meaningful in anyway other than as a way to
torture yourself.

lol

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 17, 2008 01:58AM

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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 18, 2008 09:43PM

WASHINGTON – Former White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales misled Congress when he claimed the CIA in 2002 approved information that ended up in the 2003 State of the Union speech about Iraq's alleged effort to buy uranium for its nuclear weapons program, a House committee said Thursday. The committee also expressed skepticism about claims by then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice that she was unaware of the CIA's doubts about the claim before President George W. Bush's speech.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 19, 2008 06:17AM

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: December 19, 2008 01:59PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> WASHINGTON – Former White House Counsel Alberto
> Gonzales misled Congress when he claimed the CIA
> in 2002 approved information that ended up in the
> 2003 State of the Union speech about Iraq's
> alleged effort to buy uranium for its nuclear
> weapons program, a House committee said Thursday.
> The committee also expressed skepticism about
> claims by then-national security adviser
> Condoleezza Rice that she was unaware of the CIA's
> doubts about the claim before President George W.
> Bush's speech.

Hardly worth posting a MEMO that Henry Waxman wrote expressing HIS views on the issue. Like this is news? Here is the next paragraph:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/18/former-ag-alberto-gonzale_n_152261.html

Quote

...
In a memo to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which he chairs, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., also expressed skepticism about assertions by then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice that she was unaware of the CIA's doubts about the claim before President George W. Bush's speech.
...

-1 Vince

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 19, 2008 08:52PM

fine with me...so both Bush, Gonzales and Rice are liars! Not sure that was your point..but that's what it says. I do agree with you on one level. It certainly isnt news to most of us that Bush lied to get us into Iraq...Im just surprised that you take so matter of factly....oh....that's right you are a republikan dreg, you'd do anything to see the country expand it's empire in a fruitless war...expending our youth...driaining the economy. You are consistent.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 20, 2008 09:00AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fine with me...so both Bush, Gonzales and Rice are
> liars! Not sure that was your point..but that's
> what it says. I do agree with you on one level.
> It certainly isnt news to most of us that Bush
> lied to get us into Iraq...Im just surprised that
> you take so matter of factly....oh....that's right
> you are a republikan dreg, you'd do anything to
> see the country expand it's empire in a fruitless
> war...expending our youth...driaining the economy.
> You are consistent.


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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 20, 2008 11:01AM

Gravis...spoken as only a fat ass young man can!

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: December 20, 2008 12:30PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fine with me...so both Bush, Gonzales and Rice are
> liars! Not sure that was your point..but that's
> what it says. I do agree with you on one level.
> It certainly isnt news to most of us that Bush
> lied to get us into Iraq...Im just surprised that
> you take so matter of factly....oh....that's right
> you are a republikan dreg, you'd do anything to
> see the country expand it's empire in a fruitless
> war...expending our youth...driaining the economy.
> You are consistent.


All politicians are Liars! WHen you watch a presidential debate you see one krooc arguing with another Krooc who's methods are best at swindling and lying to the public! Come on an elekted official is NOT going to solve your problems. They are bought and sold thier souls so many times by the time they get to office they are merely humble lakcies to the Korporate Behemoths.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 20, 2008 12:38PM

ferfux Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> All politicians are Liars! WHen you watch a
> presidential debate you see one krooc arguing with
> another Krooc who's methods are best at swindling
> and lying to the public! Come on an elekted
> official is NOT going to solve your problems. They
> are bought and sold thier souls so many times by
> the time they get to office they are merely humble
> lakcies to the Korporate Behemoths.

Not really the corporate behemoths.

In order to achieve any level of political power, you must be approved by the COFR, Trilateral Commission and several unnamed groups.

Just look around. Every presidential candidate has to make at least one appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations or else they know they won't make it into office. Then when it comes time for any president to appoint people, you only need to print out the list of members of the COFR and a few other "think tanks" to have all the names in that administration. There is rarely an appointment made outside of this small handful of these "think tanks."

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Wraith ()
Date: December 27, 2008 10:36PM

One Republic for which it stands... One nation under gosh...what was I saying? I am Patriotic and I have been given the right to speak freely...Thank gosh! Why I love America is because I can go to my good job, earn good money and I am helping people. We all got to pay the bills. I understand it is a tough time in America to make it work. I have been living the proof. So far...I haven't defaulted on my house, I pay my car payments and even pay my credit cards. I live paycheck to paycheck though. The American dream? Not really but I fundamentally believe if I do my part like, everyone should, we will be just fine.

Sincerely,

Wraith


P.S. I am agnostic

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Who cares about Bush?
Posted by: Wraith ()
Date: December 28, 2008 01:25AM

One Republic for which it stands... One nation under gosh...what was I saying? I am Patriotic and I have been given the right to speak freely...Thank gosh! Why I love America is because I can go to my good job, earn good money and I am helping people. We all got to pay the bills. I understand it is a tough time in America to make it work. I have been living the proof. So far...I haven't defaulted on my house, I pay my car payments and even pay my credit cards. I live paycheck to paycheck though. The American dream? Not really but I fundamentally believe if I do my part like, everyone should, we will be just fine.

Sincerely,

Wraith


P.S. I am agnostic. I am almost happy for me and mine. Bless them under gosh!

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 28, 2008 01:50AM


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: angelus42774 ()
Date: December 30, 2008 08:02AM

I personally dislike Bush and believe this is karma paying him back for his 8 years of crapping on this country, and making money on the American people with his buddies in big oil.

Saying that, everyone on SS detail that day should be fired. That Iraqi should have had two in the chest and one in the head the moment he started running towards Bush. Say what you want about him, and I do, but you do not let the office of US President get disrespected like that, it is pathetic, and the Secret Service should be ashamed. If I was Bush I would have turned around, told the Iraqi President, "F**k you and the animals in this area, we are out!"

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: December 30, 2008 08:48AM

It's the attitude of calling anyone an "animal" that got us into the Iraqui/Afghanistan mess to begin with.

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 30, 2008 09:14AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> It's the attitude of calling anyone an "animal"
> that got us into the Iraqui/Afghanistan mess to
> begin with.


no, im pretty sure it was terrorism that got us into afghanistan and bad intel that got use into iraq. shut it, commie.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: January 01, 2009 10:33AM

Terrorism and terrorists are all in the eye of the beholder. Many more people then those who died on 9/11 have been killed by US munitions in Arab...African and Asian countries. As we condemn Iran for importing weapons into Iraq that end up killing our soldiers...the world can and does hold us accountable for doing the same except in multitudes much larger then Iran. We can do this so well and without concious only when we dont put a face on the victims...when we call them terrorists..subversives...animals.

I realize this country does many good works throughout the world..but if one were to measure the money we throw into our insane military actions and our foreign military sales programs those good deeds are dwarfed.

We had all better hope that there is no god...no final retribution in the after life....because as stated by the great theologian...."not god bless amerika...god damn amerika".

Happy New Year everyone!

And a special thought for you Gravis. Take the time to grow up a little this year. Perhaps as a start you should move out of your parents house or at least start paying rent. Your mother could really use the extra cash.



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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 01, 2009 11:12AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> We had all better hope that there is no god...no
> final retribution in the after life....because as
> stated by the great theologian...."not god bless
> amerika...god damn amerika".


LOL! now you are quoting the disgraced Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor. that's fresh. that's upping your credibility.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Sgt. Rock ()
Date: January 01, 2009 11:40AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Terrorism and terrorists are all in the eye of the
> beholder. Many more people then those who died
> on 9/11 have been killed by US munitions in
> Arab...African and Asian countries. As we condemn
> Iran for importing weapons into Iraq that end up
> killing our soldiers...the world can and does hold
> us accountable for doing the same except in
> multitudes much larger then Iran. We can do this
> so well and without concious only when we dont put
> a face on the victims...when we call them
> terrorists..subversives...animals.
>
> I realize this country does many good works
> throughout the world..but if one were to measure
> the money we throw into our insane military
> actions and our foreign military sales programs
> those good deeds are dwarfed.
>
> We had all better hope that there is no god...no
> final retribution in the after life....because as
> stated by the great theologian...."not god bless
> amerika...god damn amerika".
>
> Happy New Year everyone!
>
> And a special thought for you Gravis. Take the
> time to grow up a little this year. Perhaps as a
> start you should move out of your parents house or
> at least start paying rent. Your mother could
> really use the extra cash.


Vince, you're a PUSSY!!!!

http://www.amazon.com/KILL-Sort-COLOR-Printed-T-Shirt/dp/images/B0002D1OXW/ref=dp_image_text_x_0?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&img=0&color_name=x

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: January 01, 2009 12:06PM

Gravis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We had all better hope that there is no
> god...no
> > final retribution in the after life....because
> as
> > stated by the great theologian...."not god
> bless
> > amerika...god damn amerika".
>
> LOL! now you are quoting the disgraced Jeremiah
> Wright, Obama's former pastor. that's fresh.
> that's upping your credibility.


The truth is always difficult to hear...just ask good old jc!

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: January 01, 2009 01:00PM

Pogue Colonel: Marine, what is that button on your body armor?
Vince(1): A peace symbol, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Where'd you get it?
Vince(1): I don't remember, sir.
Pogue Colonel: What is that you've got written on your helmet?
Vince(1): "Born to Kill", sir.
Pogue Colonel: You write "Born to Kill" on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?
Vince(1): No, sir.
Pogue Colonel: You'd better get your head and your ass wired together, or I will take a giant shit on you.
Vince(1): Yes, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Now answer my question or you'll be standing tall before the man.
Vince(1) I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, sir.
Pogue Colonel: The what?
Vince(1): The duality of man. The Jungian thing, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Whose side are you on, son?
Vince(1): Our side, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Don't you love your country?
Vince(1): Yes, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win? Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Iraquis, because inside every haji there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.



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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: January 01, 2009 01:34PM

Exactly...duality! That is so coool;>

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Re: Bush Sneaks into Baghdad One Last Time
Date: January 01, 2009 02:44PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's the attitude of calling anyone an "animal"
> > that got us into the Iraqui/Afghanistan mess to
> > begin with.
>
> no, im pretty sure it was terrorism that got us
> into afghanistan and bad intel that got use into
> iraq. shut it, commie.


Bush has admitted we were going into Iraq regardless of what the intel said. We got into Iraq for a myriad of reasons based primarily on Dubya's feelings of inadequacy compared to his Daddy. If you don't think that will be history's final ruling on the subject, think again.

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