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Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 17, 2014 03:25PM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9db_1389855116

Action starts at 1:39.....


Five shots....seems like overkill, but lethal force was definitely justified.


Still, I don't think a civilian acting in self-defense would have gotten the break that the police officer got.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-police-officers-opens-fire-madman-commit-suicide-article-1.1581541

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/idaho-cop-spencer-mortensen-shoots-3031294

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: January 17, 2014 04:10PM

If it was actually just a car accident issue, I think they could have waited him out.

Be that as it may, once he came at him with the knife or knives, yes he deserved to get blasted. Whne a cop is pointing a gun at you and you dont do what he asks you to do, you deserve to get wasted.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 17, 2014 04:14PM

Did he have a taser though?

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: January 17, 2014 04:17PM

Fuck a taser. A guy has a knife, I give him a chance (multiple chances) to drop it and he refuses.......he's getting shot.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Tackleberry ()
Date: January 17, 2014 04:28PM

Stabitha Wrote:
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> Fuck a taser. A guy has a knife, I give him a
> chance (multiple chances) to drop it and he
> refuses.......he's getting shot.

That's hardcore!
Did they teach you that at the academy?

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: January 17, 2014 04:31PM

Fuck the academy. If a teacher is coming at me with a book and I give him multiple chances to drop it and he refuses and continues to try to teach me......he's getting shot.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 17, 2014 04:34PM

Stabitha Wrote:
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> Fuck the academy. If a teacher is coming at me
> with a book and I give him multiple chances to
> drop it and he refuses and continues to try to
> teach me......he's getting shot.




wut

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Campus Security ()
Date: January 17, 2014 04:40PM

Stabitha Wrote:
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> Fuck the academy. If a teacher is coming at me
> with a book and I give him multiple chances to
> drop it and he refuses and continues to try to
> teach me......he's getting shot.


Quoted for the police report.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: ColumnNo.4 ()
Date: January 17, 2014 05:16PM

Why bother equipping police with OC, collapsible baton and projectile taser is their immediate response to every threat is to draw and discharge their firearm? Discharging your firearm is a last resort which has now become the primary option.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: the looney bin ()
Date: January 17, 2014 05:45PM

Stabitha Wrote:
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> Fuck the academy. If a teacher is coming at me
> with a book and I give him multiple chances to
> drop it and he refuses and continues to try to
> teach me......he's getting shot.


get in

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: MWmEJ ()
Date: January 17, 2014 05:54PM

eesh Wrote:
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> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9db_1389855116
>
> Action starts at 1:39.....
>
>
> Five shots....seems like overkill, but lethal
> force was definitely justified.

Five shots is not overkill. Lethal force not too sure of, the cop was standing his ground and not retreating at all. But for all we know is the guy wanted a suicide by officer. Personally I would have backed up out of the house and given a few dozen more commands or tazed him. All around a poor choice of the guy with the knife.
>
>
> Still, I don't think a civilian acting in
> self-defense would have gotten the break that the
> police officer got.
>
Agree, the civilian would have had a escape route, the back door.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 17, 2014 06:08PM

Campus Security Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fuck the academy. If a teacher is coming at me
> > with a book and I give him multiple chances to
> > drop it and he refuses and continues to try to
> > teach me......he's getting shot.
>
>
> Quoted for the police report.






Campus Security! I filed a threat assessment report on a weirdo last year....our Dean of Students isn't the most proactive person. Three weeks to get back to me on it.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: WJDJJ ()
Date: January 17, 2014 06:23PM

> Fuck a taser.

I am against tasers. It leads to "bad decisions" when handling people since officers are told the taser "is safe (non-lethal)". No taser is safe. It can (and has) killed people.

> Did they teach you that at the academy?

Yes, they teach that. If you just stand there just holding a knife you won't get shot. Take a step towards an officer while holding a knife and see what happens. Officers want to go home at night not to the hospital with stab wounds. Did you make a mistake a bring a knife to a gun fight?

They teach double tap so the five shots is a bit strange but heat of the moment. At least he didn't empty the clip.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 17, 2014 06:26PM

WJDJJ Wrote:
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> > Fuck a taser.
>
> I am against tasers. It leads to "bad decisions"
> when handling people since officers are told the
> taser "is safe (non-lethal)". No taser is safe.
> It can (and has) killed people.
>
> > Did they teach you that at the academy?
>
> Yes, they teach that. If you just stand there
> just holding a knife you won't get shot. Take a
> step towards an officer while holding a knife and
> see what happens. Officers want to go home at
> night not to the hospital with stab wounds. Did
> you make a mistake a bring a knife to a gun
> fight?
>
> They teach double tap so the five shots is a bit
> strange but heat of the moment. At least he
> didn't empty the clip.





If you are such an expert, then why did you say clip and not magazine?

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: January 17, 2014 06:36PM

WJDJJ Wrote:
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> >
> Yes, they teach that. If you just stand there
> just holding a knife you won't get shot. Take a
> step towards an officer while holding a knife and
> see what happens. Officers want to go home at
> night not to the hospital with stab wounds. Did
> you make a mistake a bring a knife to a gun
> fight?
>
>
+1

The dirt bag had ample opportunity to drop the knife and live--- or---- create a situation where he got wasted. His choice. Quite possible he wanted what he got.

Must not have had any liability insurance for the car accident hahaha

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Rockhound ()
Date: January 17, 2014 06:43PM

Of course it's justified. You come at a police officer with two knives, you're getting shot.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 004 ()
Date: January 17, 2014 07:27PM

WJDJJ Wrote:
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> > Fuck a taser.
>
> I am against tasers. It leads to "bad decisions"
> when handling people since officers are told the
> taser "is safe (non-lethal)". No taser is safe.
> It can (and has) killed people.

They lead to a lot less deaths than shooting first, but yes those do get overused under the assumption theyre perfectly safe and can just be used like its nothing.

However thats an entirely different discussion about their proper usage. When a suspect doesnt have a weapon with range like a firearm or bow Tazers/Perrper spray should be used before lethal force if at all possible.

If a citizen wouldnt have been justified using lethal force defending themselves a cop shouldnt be either. That should be the only test for killing someone.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Rockhound ()
Date: January 17, 2014 07:43PM

Of course, this incident could have been handled in a much different way. The police could have waited at the door for backup and tried to talk him down, like they did in the old days and like they still do in other Western countries.

They are not trained to do that anymore. Notice how the police officer goes into paramilitary superhero the moment he hears the word knife. He orders the lady to get back, draws his weapon and escalates the situation.

In any case, if you come at an officer with a knife --- expect the worst. That guy was really close and advancing if the guy rushed him and the officer hesitated, he could have had his jugular popped.

The more and more this happens, the more the public is starting to realize that the police are NOT here to protect you anymore. This is case is a drop in the bucket, there are a great many more cases of obvious brutality caught on camera that go unpunished or hardly punished at all.

Welcome to the police state.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Mpjjh ()
Date: January 17, 2014 08:45PM

> If you are such an expert, then why did you say clip and not magazine?

Sorry. Sloppy terminology. Saying one syllable is faster than three and I sometimes use spoken words when writing.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: January 17, 2014 11:13PM

Rockhound Wrote:
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>
>
> Welcome to the police state.

I stand with the cop on this one you faggot. All the guy had to do was drop the knives. How hard is that to do when youre staring down the barrel of a gun? He obviously fucked up and was too big of a pussy to face the consequences. Good fucking riddance dirt bag.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: LTXEt ()
Date: January 18, 2014 01:38PM

>The more and more this happens, the more the public is starting to realize that the police are NOT here to protect you anymore.

I am curious. The guy with the knife -- from whom did he need protected? The police shot him to protect the public from a nut running around with knives. He failed to obey a lawful instruction and proceeded to commit suicide by cop.

Erosion of our fourth amendment is the current cause of the police state.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 18, 2014 02:18PM

These body cams are pretty cool though, it's like playing a first person shooter.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: January 18, 2014 06:21PM

LTXEt Wrote:
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> >The more and more this happens, the more the
> public is starting to realize that the police are
> NOT here to protect you anymore.
>
> I am curious. The guy with the knife -- from whom
> did he need protected? The police shot him to
> protect the public from a nut running around with
> knives. He failed to obey a lawful instruction
> and proceeded to commit suicide by cop.
>
>
Exactly. Rockhound is an idiot. This cop didnt arrive at this home to portect the shithead with the knives. He gave him several chances to surrender and the idiot refused so he got kilt. End of story.

However, Im sure the family members, who incidently are the the ones who called the cops, will most likely sue everyone from the cop right up to the manufacturer of the gun.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: e7nwt ()
Date: January 18, 2014 07:27PM

>most likely sue everyone from the cop right up to the manufacturer of the gun.

Yeah. Amusingly, I am sure the family knew something was wrong but "not crazy enough". In fact, from the article:

"His family said he'd been acting suicidal."

But of course, mental health care is this country is basically wait for the complete break and call the cops.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Rockhound ()
Date: January 18, 2014 07:38PM

I know that reading comprehension is not your strongest skill, Stab. It's okay, I'll always be here to help you along, junior:


Rockhound Wrote:
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>
>
> Of course it's justified. You come at a police officer with two knives, you're getting shot.


Rockhound Wrote:
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>
>
> In any case, if you come at an officer with a knife --- expect the worst.



And remember, when in doubt, sound it out.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: January 18, 2014 07:58PM

Rockhound Wrote:
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> >
> The more and more this happens, the more the
> public is starting to realize that the police are
> NOT here to protect you anymore.

I was more concerned about this statement. Sounds like youre typing out of both sides of your cock holster

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Bigdog ()
Date: January 21, 2014 08:34AM

I am sure the officers involved are happy that they can read the arm chair experts. After all we can now replay the videos to tell them all of the things they could have done better in the short amount of time they had to make the decisions.

I never understand how people say they should have used a taser. If the taser doesn't work how long will it take to transition to a gun. Police are not supose to be on the same level of force as the subject that they are dealing with they should be one level above. Ok, bad guy is going to punch a cop so I will punch him back. No I will pull out my pepper spray and hose him down. You pull a knife on a cop and they are going to pull a gun. Dont follow simple commands and yes you will get shot.

As for the Tasers kill people most of the incidents that I have read said that the subject died due to the drugs they were using but the taser did not help their health.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Hussein Obama- ()
Date: January 21, 2014 08:38AM

If a nigger was shot dead. It was justified.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 004 ()
Date: January 21, 2014 12:30PM

Bigdog Wrote:
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> I am sure the officers involved are happy that
> they can read the arm chair experts. After all we
> can now replay the videos to tell them all of the
> things they could have done better in the short
> amount of time they had to make the decisions.

Tough shit thats the job and the standard they used to be held too. If they dont like it they can get another job. They rarely travel alone anyway which means one easily could, and youre also leaving out the part that they can escalate situations moving in instead of letting it play out and calm down. Ever notice how whenever cameras are present they let it play out longer? A guy with a knife doesnt sneak up on you. They control the time and space they give themselves, making a tactical error of closing that gap too much leaving no room to react doesnt justify taking a life. Deadly force should be a last resort not first.

If they have a gun or bull rush an officer thats a different story. If they simply dont listen thats not justification for a shooting.

> I never understand how people say they should have
> used a taser. If the taser doesn't work how long
> will it take to transition to a gun. Police are
> not supose to be on the same level of force as the
> subject that they are dealing with they should be
> one level above. Ok, bad guy is going to punch a
> cop so I will punch him back. No I will pull out
> my pepper spray and hose him down. You pull a
> knife on a cop and they are going to pull a gun.
> Dont follow simple commands and yes you will get
> shot.

You seem to think the police are the military. Theyre SUPPOSED to be keeping the peace, not imposing overwhelming force.

Not following commands isnt justification for them to open fire. Thats called panicking and someone who does that has no business in that line of work. They arent a Seal team taking down a terrorist camp. These arent even questions from taking down a drug ring or gang, the ones that call into question tactics are when joe schmoe is treated like OSB.

If a citizen couldnt do it in defense of themselves or others a cop shouldnt be allowed to either.

> As for the Tasers kill people most of the
> incidents that I have read said that the subject
> died due to the drugs they were using but the
> taser did not help their health.

Which shows youre making it up. Tazers are well known to be potentially lethal with certain heart conditions. This can happen in anyone with a heart condition they may or may not know about. Your body isnt supposed to be absorbing 10k volts and your heart runs on electrical signals. Its not hard to connect the dots how that could mess up a hearts rhythm.

They are used far to often but thats another discussion. If the choice is shooting or a tazer a tazer is preferable for anyone with a weapon with range.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 21, 2014 06:45PM

Bigdog Wrote:
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> I am sure the officers involved are happy that
> they can read the arm chair experts. After all we
> can now replay the videos to tell them all of the
> things they could have done better in the short
> amount of time they had to make the decisions.
>
> I never understand how people say they should have
> used a taser. If the taser doesn't work how long
> will it take to transition to a gun. Police are
> not supose to be on the same level of force as the
> subject that they are dealing with they should be
> one level above. Ok, bad guy is going to punch a
> cop so I will punch him back. No I will pull out
> my pepper spray and hose him down. You pull a
> knife on a cop and they are going to pull a gun.
> Dont follow simple commands and yes you will get
> shot.
>
> As for the Tasers kill people most of the
> incidents that I have read said that the subject
> died due to the drugs they were using but the
> taser did not help their health.





lol You start off with a snide remark about the armchair experts, and then make an authoritative post sounding just like an armchair expert.

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Re: Was This Police Shooting Justified?
Posted by: Georgie Zimm ()
Date: January 21, 2014 07:03PM

Hussein Obama- Wrote:
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> If a nigger was shot dead. It was justified.


Scratch that. If it was a nig it would have been national news and an opportunity for a teachable moment from dear leader. Then we'd have the million knifey march.



NO GINSU, NO PEACE!

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