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It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Suckerz
()
Date: November 28, 2012 01:41AM
It’s official: the health care law will unduly stick it to young Americans by making them pay far higher premiums starting January 1, 2014. New rules announced this month are even worse than expected when it comes to shoveling an unfair burden onto our nation’s youth. Moreover, they also perversely increase the incentives of young people to remain uninsured.
The newly announced rules limit insurers to charge their oldest customers no more than three times as much as younger ones. As shown in the following chart based on estimates by international management consulting firm Oliver Wyman, the rule will force insurers to hike rates for 18- to 24-year-olds by 45 percent even as rates for those 60 and older drop by 13 percent in most states.[2] That means a 22-year-old waitress paying $2,068 for her health insurance will have to fork over $3,000 when Obamacare takes effect.[3] And these figures even underestimate the actual impact.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisconover/2012/11/27/young-people-under-obamacare-cash-cow-for-older-workers/
The newly announced rules limit insurers to charge their oldest customers no more than three times as much as younger ones. As shown in the following chart based on estimates by international management consulting firm Oliver Wyman, the rule will force insurers to hike rates for 18- to 24-year-olds by 45 percent even as rates for those 60 and older drop by 13 percent in most states.[2] That means a 22-year-old waitress paying $2,068 for her health insurance will have to fork over $3,000 when Obamacare takes effect.[3] And these figures even underestimate the actual impact.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisconover/2012/11/27/young-people-under-obamacare-cash-cow-for-older-workers/
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
oh noz! $50 more a month!
()
Date: November 28, 2012 02:37AM
You are either a senior citizen on a fixed income, or a nitwit.
$2,068 for insurance is $172.33 a month, or $86.16 per bi-weekly pay period.
So the increase to $3,000 sounds horrendous until you actually use your brain (or a calculator) It goes up to $250 a month, or $125 per bi-weekly pay period.
Only a senior citizen or someone with poor money management skills is going to be "hurt" by such a measly increase. Which is why the increases are disproportionately affecting younger people who have a greater future income potential than older people.
Oh, sorry, the news story was meant to get you worked up. Yeah, Obama sucks! Fuck socialism commies!
$2,068 for insurance is $172.33 a month, or $86.16 per bi-weekly pay period.
So the increase to $3,000 sounds horrendous until you actually use your brain (or a calculator) It goes up to $250 a month, or $125 per bi-weekly pay period.
Only a senior citizen or someone with poor money management skills is going to be "hurt" by such a measly increase. Which is why the increases are disproportionately affecting younger people who have a greater future income potential than older people.
Oh, sorry, the news story was meant to get you worked up. Yeah, Obama sucks! Fuck socialism commies!
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Oh noes. You can't readz no good
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:26AM
oh noz! $50 more a month! Wrote:
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> You are either a senior citizen on a fixed income,
> or a nitwit.
>
> $2,068 for insurance is $172.33 a month, or $86.16
> per bi-weekly pay period.
>
> So the increase to $3,000 sounds horrendous until
> you actually use your brain (or a calculator) It
> goes up to $250 a month, or $125 per bi-weekly pay
> period.
>
> Only a senior citizen or someone with poor money
> management skills is going to be "hurt" by such a
> measly increase. Which is why the increases are
> disproportionately affecting younger people who
> have a greater future income potential than older
> people.
>
> Oh, sorry, the news story was meant to get you
> worked up. Yeah, Obama sucks! Fuck socialism
> commies!
You obviously didn't read it dumbfuck since (1) it's written from the perspective arguing that the increase is unfair to younger people to the advantage of older, (2) that it gives people even more incentive to simply pay the penalty which then skews the funding and increases the deficit that it will run, and (3) the costs are adjusted regularly so it will continue to increase from there. It also doesn't account for the increases to those over the subsidy break point who will pay significantly more in the same way.
Oh noes, reality. Yeah, Obama rox dude. FREE health care for everybody. Weeeeee!
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> You are either a senior citizen on a fixed income,
> or a nitwit.
>
> $2,068 for insurance is $172.33 a month, or $86.16
> per bi-weekly pay period.
>
> So the increase to $3,000 sounds horrendous until
> you actually use your brain (or a calculator) It
> goes up to $250 a month, or $125 per bi-weekly pay
> period.
>
> Only a senior citizen or someone with poor money
> management skills is going to be "hurt" by such a
> measly increase. Which is why the increases are
> disproportionately affecting younger people who
> have a greater future income potential than older
> people.
>
> Oh, sorry, the news story was meant to get you
> worked up. Yeah, Obama sucks! Fuck socialism
> commies!
You obviously didn't read it dumbfuck since (1) it's written from the perspective arguing that the increase is unfair to younger people to the advantage of older, (2) that it gives people even more incentive to simply pay the penalty which then skews the funding and increases the deficit that it will run, and (3) the costs are adjusted regularly so it will continue to increase from there. It also doesn't account for the increases to those over the subsidy break point who will pay significantly more in the same way.
Oh noes, reality. Yeah, Obama rox dude. FREE health care for everybody. Weeeeee!
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
just sad
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:59AM
oh noz! $50 more a month! Wrote:
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> Only a senior citizen or someone with poor money
> management skills is going to be "hurt" by such a
> measly increase. Which is why the increases are
> disproportionately affecting younger people who
> have a greater future income potential than older
> people.
Or a high school student, or a college student, or a recent graduate looking for a job, or single moms, or those that didnt go to college and work low income jobs. In other words a large percentage of America.
If youre going to call people stupid at least say something intelligent yourself
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> Only a senior citizen or someone with poor money
> management skills is going to be "hurt" by such a
> measly increase. Which is why the increases are
> disproportionately affecting younger people who
> have a greater future income potential than older
> people.
Or a high school student, or a college student, or a recent graduate looking for a job, or single moms, or those that didnt go to college and work low income jobs. In other words a large percentage of America.
If youre going to call people stupid at least say something intelligent yourself
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Atom
()
Date: November 28, 2012 09:02AM
So, it's news that the young have to subsidies the old?
If you want to releve the burden on the youth, off yourself at 62. Then, I'll believe in your selflessness.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2012 09:02AM by Atom.
If you want to releve the burden on the youth, off yourself at 62. Then, I'll believe in your selflessness.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2012 09:02AM by Atom.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Reagan 4 US
()
Date: November 28, 2012 09:24AM
$3000 would be bargian for me. I pay over $8000 a year in healthcare insurance.
Bring on Obamacare\Affordable Healthcare Act. I also the part that I can switch, not be forced to drop and not be rejected for previous conditions.
Bring on Obamacare\Affordable Healthcare Act. I also the part that I can switch, not be forced to drop and not be rejected for previous conditions.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 09:33AM
ObamaCare is great for everyone...except ideological troglodytes.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
grammar foul
()
Date: November 28, 2012 09:53AM
Atom Wrote:
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> So, it's news that the young have to subsidies the
> old?
>
> If you want to releve the burden on the youth, off
> yourself at 62. Then, I'll believe in your
> selflessness.
You edited your post, yet you still left in "you have to subsidies the old." Is subsidies a verb in your mind?
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> So, it's news that the young have to subsidies the
> old?
>
> If you want to releve the burden on the youth, off
> yourself at 62. Then, I'll believe in your
> selflessness.
You edited your post, yet you still left in "you have to subsidies the old." Is subsidies a verb in your mind?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Gunrunner
()
Date: November 28, 2012 10:24AM
Pretty ironic considering that young folks voted for Obama.They really stuck it to themselves.LOL.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 10:46AM
Gunrunner Wrote:
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> Pretty ironic considering that young folks voted
> for Obama.They really stuck it to themselves.LOL.
Not really.
When the current crop of whippersnappers reaches their dotage, there'll be another cadre of whippersnappers to support them.
And so it goes.
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> Pretty ironic considering that young folks voted
> for Obama.They really stuck it to themselves.LOL.
Not really.
When the current crop of whippersnappers reaches their dotage, there'll be another cadre of whippersnappers to support them.
And so it goes.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
B. Real
()
Date: November 28, 2012 10:51AM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> ObamaCare is great for everyone...except
> ideological troglodytes.
No, it's not really. It's great for anybody who's at the income levels where they're subsidized. Everyone else will be paying more to subsidize them. Sorry, that's just the objective reality.
It's also a terribly written bill with lots of unintended consequences as above. It was done in the form that it was just to get something done towards the goal of universal health care. Which isn't necessarily a bad idea and likely where we'll end up like it or not, but you need to either do it or not. The current bill is all f'ed up and admittedly so even by those who designed it. It does virtually nothing to affect rapidly rising health care costs, largely due to demographics, which is the primary problem, it's simply an attempt to distribute those costs across a larger population.
More the case is that the only people who think that it's "great" are ideologues like you. Anyone realistic and objective about it understands the weaknesses, huge costs involved, and likely future consequences as it's currently designed.
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> ObamaCare is great for everyone...except
> ideological troglodytes.
No, it's not really. It's great for anybody who's at the income levels where they're subsidized. Everyone else will be paying more to subsidize them. Sorry, that's just the objective reality.
It's also a terribly written bill with lots of unintended consequences as above. It was done in the form that it was just to get something done towards the goal of universal health care. Which isn't necessarily a bad idea and likely where we'll end up like it or not, but you need to either do it or not. The current bill is all f'ed up and admittedly so even by those who designed it. It does virtually nothing to affect rapidly rising health care costs, largely due to demographics, which is the primary problem, it's simply an attempt to distribute those costs across a larger population.
More the case is that the only people who think that it's "great" are ideologues like you. Anyone realistic and objective about it understands the weaknesses, huge costs involved, and likely future consequences as it's currently designed.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 10:52AM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> Gunrunner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pretty ironic considering that young folks
> voted
> > for Obama.They really stuck it to
> themselves.LOL.
>
> Not really.
>
> When the current crop of whippersnappers reaches
> their dotage, there'll be another cadre of
> whippersnappers to support them.
>
> And so it goes.
You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the increasing unemployment figures, decline in wages and lack of motivation among younger generations (mine included) how long can you expect the scheme to stay afloat?
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> Gunrunner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pretty ironic considering that young folks
> voted
> > for Obama.They really stuck it to
> themselves.LOL.
>
> Not really.
>
> When the current crop of whippersnappers reaches
> their dotage, there'll be another cadre of
> whippersnappers to support them.
>
> And so it goes.
You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the increasing unemployment figures, decline in wages and lack of motivation among younger generations (mine included) how long can you expect the scheme to stay afloat?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
DumbDemocrat
()
Date: November 28, 2012 11:12AM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> ObamaCare is great for everyone...except
> ideological troglodytes.
How is it great for everyone?
On January 1, my family is losing our healthcare.
The choice for my company was fire employees or dump healthcare and pay the penalty.
They dumped healthcare.
OH, AND YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
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> ObamaCare is great for everyone...except
> ideological troglodytes.
How is it great for everyone?
On January 1, my family is losing our healthcare.
The choice for my company was fire employees or dump healthcare and pay the penalty.
They dumped healthcare.
OH, AND YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
It worked for Social Security
()
Date: November 28, 2012 11:14AM
time's running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gunrunner Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Pretty ironic considering that young folks
> > voted
> > > for Obama.They really stuck it to
> > themselves.LOL.
> >
> > Not really.
> >
> > When the current crop of whippersnappers
> reaches
> > their dotage, there'll be another cadre of
> > whippersnappers to support them.
> >
> > And so it goes.
>
>
> You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> increasing unemployment figures, decline in wages
> and lack of motivation among younger generations
> (mine included) how long can you expect the scheme
> to stay afloat?
You do understand how Social Security works, don't you?
Or do you believe that the money you pay today goes into an account for you to withdraw from later? hahaha! you need to continue watching whatever channel it is you watch, because they are keeping you well fed with disinfo.
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gunrunner Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Pretty ironic considering that young folks
> > voted
> > > for Obama.They really stuck it to
> > themselves.LOL.
> >
> > Not really.
> >
> > When the current crop of whippersnappers
> reaches
> > their dotage, there'll be another cadre of
> > whippersnappers to support them.
> >
> > And so it goes.
>
>
> You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> increasing unemployment figures, decline in wages
> and lack of motivation among younger generations
> (mine included) how long can you expect the scheme
> to stay afloat?
You do understand how Social Security works, don't you?
Or do you believe that the money you pay today goes into an account for you to withdraw from later? hahaha! you need to continue watching whatever channel it is you watch, because they are keeping you well fed with disinfo.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 11:22AM
It worked for Social Security Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Gunrunner Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Pretty ironic considering that young folks
> > > voted
> > > > for Obama.They really stuck it to
> > > themselves.LOL.
> > >
> > > Not really.
> > >
> > > When the current crop of whippersnappers
> > reaches
> > > their dotage, there'll be another cadre of
> > > whippersnappers to support them.
> > >
> > > And so it goes.
> >
> >
> > You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> > increasing unemployment figures, decline in
> wages
> > and lack of motivation among younger
> generations
> > (mine included) how long can you expect the
> scheme
> > to stay afloat?
>
>
> You do understand how Social Security works, don't
> you?
Yes. And it is obvious that you are the one that needs a refresher.
> Or do you believe that the money you pay today
> goes into an account for you to withdraw from
> later?
No, but let's look at the reality of the situation. Social Security’s expenditures exceeded non-interest income in 2010 and 2011, the first such occurrences since 1983, and the Trustees estimate that these expenditures will remain greater than non-interest income throughout the 75-year projection period. The deficit of non-interest income relative to expenditures was about $49 billion in 2010 and $45 billion in 2011, and the Trustees project that it will average about $66 billion between 2012 and 2018 before rising steeply as the economy slows after the recovery is complete and the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers. Redemption of trust fund assets from the General Fund of the Treasury will provide the resources needed to offset the annual cash-flow deficits. Since these redemptions will be less than interest earnings through 2020, nominal trust fund balances will continue to grow. The trust fund ratio, which indicates the number of years of program cost that could be financed solely with current trust fund reserves, peaked in 2008, declined through 2011, and is expected to decline further in future years. After 2020, Treasury will redeem trust fund assets in amounts that exceed interest earnings until exhaustion of trust fund reserves in 2033, three years earlier than projected last year.
You do the math. Does that sound like a sustainable program?
> hahaha! you need to continue watching
> whatever channel it is you watch, because they are
> keeping you well fed with disinfo.
I don't get my information from the television. I get it from the source. You should try it some time. You might find Rachel Madcow to not be as truthful as you think.....
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Gunrunner Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Pretty ironic considering that young folks
> > > voted
> > > > for Obama.They really stuck it to
> > > themselves.LOL.
> > >
> > > Not really.
> > >
> > > When the current crop of whippersnappers
> > reaches
> > > their dotage, there'll be another cadre of
> > > whippersnappers to support them.
> > >
> > > And so it goes.
> >
> >
> > You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> > increasing unemployment figures, decline in
> wages
> > and lack of motivation among younger
> generations
> > (mine included) how long can you expect the
> scheme
> > to stay afloat?
>
>
> You do understand how Social Security works, don't
> you?
Yes. And it is obvious that you are the one that needs a refresher.
> Or do you believe that the money you pay today
> goes into an account for you to withdraw from
> later?
No, but let's look at the reality of the situation. Social Security’s expenditures exceeded non-interest income in 2010 and 2011, the first such occurrences since 1983, and the Trustees estimate that these expenditures will remain greater than non-interest income throughout the 75-year projection period. The deficit of non-interest income relative to expenditures was about $49 billion in 2010 and $45 billion in 2011, and the Trustees project that it will average about $66 billion between 2012 and 2018 before rising steeply as the economy slows after the recovery is complete and the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers. Redemption of trust fund assets from the General Fund of the Treasury will provide the resources needed to offset the annual cash-flow deficits. Since these redemptions will be less than interest earnings through 2020, nominal trust fund balances will continue to grow. The trust fund ratio, which indicates the number of years of program cost that could be financed solely with current trust fund reserves, peaked in 2008, declined through 2011, and is expected to decline further in future years. After 2020, Treasury will redeem trust fund assets in amounts that exceed interest earnings until exhaustion of trust fund reserves in 2033, three years earlier than projected last year.
You do the math. Does that sound like a sustainable program?
> hahaha! you need to continue watching
> whatever channel it is you watch, because they are
> keeping you well fed with disinfo.
I don't get my information from the television. I get it from the source. You should try it some time. You might find Rachel Madcow to not be as truthful as you think.....
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 11:37AM
DumbDemocrat Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ObamaCare is great for everyone...except
> > ideological troglodytes.
>
> How is it great for everyone?
>
> On January 1, my family is losing our healthcare.
>
> The choice for my company was fire employees or
> dump healthcare and pay the penalty.
>
> They dumped healthcare.
>
> OH, AND YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
ObamaCare hasn't affected your employer yet in any way.
I say you're bullshitting.
PS - Time for you to find a new job, isn't it?
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ObamaCare is great for everyone...except
> > ideological troglodytes.
>
> How is it great for everyone?
>
> On January 1, my family is losing our healthcare.
>
> The choice for my company was fire employees or
> dump healthcare and pay the penalty.
>
> They dumped healthcare.
>
> OH, AND YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
ObamaCare hasn't affected your employer yet in any way.
I say you're bullshitting.
PS - Time for you to find a new job, isn't it?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 11:55AM
time's running out Wrote:
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> You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> increasing unemployment figures, decline in wages
> and lack of motivation among younger generations
> (mine included) how long can you expect the scheme
> to stay afloat?
No, ObamaCare is nothing like a ponzi scheme.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2012 11:55AM by Mittens Having Kittens.
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> You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> increasing unemployment figures, decline in wages
> and lack of motivation among younger generations
> (mine included) how long can you expect the scheme
> to stay afloat?
No, ObamaCare is nothing like a ponzi scheme.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2012 11:55AM by Mittens Having Kittens.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 11:57AM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> > increasing unemployment figures, decline in
> wages
> > and lack of motivation among younger
> generations
> > (mine included) how long can you expect the
> scheme
> > to stay afloat?
>
> No, ObamaCare is nothing like a ponzi scheme.
Who pays to support those who pay less but use more services?
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> > increasing unemployment figures, decline in
> wages
> > and lack of motivation among younger
> generations
> > (mine included) how long can you expect the
> scheme
> > to stay afloat?
>
> No, ObamaCare is nothing like a ponzi scheme.
Who pays to support those who pay less but use more services?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Econ 101
()
Date: November 28, 2012 12:02PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time's running out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> > > increasing unemployment figures, decline in
> > wages
> > > and lack of motivation among younger
> > generations
> > > (mine included) how long can you expect the
> > scheme
> > > to stay afloat?
> >
> > No, ObamaCare is nothing like a ponzi scheme.
>
>
> Who pays to support those who pay less but use
> more services?
Are you talking about making the poor pay for medical insurance? The $612 mandate for healthcare that Obamacare requires?
Seems to have worked well in MA to lower insurance costs and get the free loaders to pay up in the system.
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time's running out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You just described a ponzi scheme. Given the
> > > increasing unemployment figures, decline in
> > wages
> > > and lack of motivation among younger
> > generations
> > > (mine included) how long can you expect the
> > scheme
> > > to stay afloat?
> >
> > No, ObamaCare is nothing like a ponzi scheme.
>
>
> Who pays to support those who pay less but use
> more services?
Are you talking about making the poor pay for medical insurance? The $612 mandate for healthcare that Obamacare requires?
Seems to have worked well in MA to lower insurance costs and get the free loaders to pay up in the system.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 12:12PM
Econ 101 Wrote:
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> Are you talking about making the poor pay for
> medical insurance? The $612 mandate for
> healthcare that Obamacare requires?
No, please follow along if you want to participate in the conversation. Given your inability to understand the difference between an authorization bill and an appropriations bill, your inability to follow along here is no big surprise. Have you thought about just not participating in conversations you don't understand?
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> Are you talking about making the poor pay for
> medical insurance? The $612 mandate for
> healthcare that Obamacare requires?
No, please follow along if you want to participate in the conversation. Given your inability to understand the difference between an authorization bill and an appropriations bill, your inability to follow along here is no big surprise. Have you thought about just not participating in conversations you don't understand?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 12:16PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> Who pays to support those who pay less but use
> more services?
As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits received by some participants will exceed their contributions and vice-versa.
This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax dollars support parks, libraries, and schools that they may not use.
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> Who pays to support those who pay less but use
> more services?
As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits received by some participants will exceed their contributions and vice-versa.
This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax dollars support parks, libraries, and schools that they may not use.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time is running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 12:21PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who pays to support those who pay less but use
> > more services?
>
> As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits
> received by some participants will exceed their
> contributions and vice-versa.
Just like Social Security.
> This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax dollars
> support parks, libraries, and schools that they
> may not use.
None of which are entitlements.
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who pays to support those who pay less but use
> > more services?
>
> As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits
> received by some participants will exceed their
> contributions and vice-versa.
Just like Social Security.
> This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax dollars
> support parks, libraries, and schools that they
> may not use.
None of which are entitlements.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 12:24PM
time is running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits
> > received by some participants will exceed their
> > contributions and vice-versa.
>
> Just like Social Security.
Quite true.
> > This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax dollars
> > support parks, libraries, and schools that they
> > may not use.
>
> None of which are entitlements.
Which matters how?
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits
> > received by some participants will exceed their
> > contributions and vice-versa.
>
> Just like Social Security.
Quite true.
> > This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax dollars
> > support parks, libraries, and schools that they
> > may not use.
>
> None of which are entitlements.
Which matters how?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 12:32PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> Quite true.
At least you can admit the obvious.
> > > This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax
> dollars
> > > support parks, libraries, and schools that
> they
> > > may not use.
> >
> > None of which are entitlements.
>
> Which matters how?
Seriously? You don't see the difference?
Entitlement programs are mandatory spending. Everything else is discretionary. Parks, libraries, schools are all discretionary. Entitlements are mandatory. If you need me to explain the difference between mandatory and discretionary spending, just go away and let the grown ups have the discussion.
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> Quite true.
At least you can admit the obvious.
> > > This is analogous to taxpayers whose tax
> dollars
> > > support parks, libraries, and schools that
> they
> > > may not use.
> >
> > None of which are entitlements.
>
> Which matters how?
Seriously? You don't see the difference?
Entitlement programs are mandatory spending. Everything else is discretionary. Parks, libraries, schools are all discretionary. Entitlements are mandatory. If you need me to explain the difference between mandatory and discretionary spending, just go away and let the grown ups have the discussion.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 12:42PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> > > None of which are entitlements.
> >
> > Which matters how?
>
> Seriously? You don't see the difference?
No, I mean: How does it matter in terms of your argument, that ObamaCare is a ponzi scheme?
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> > > None of which are entitlements.
> >
> > Which matters how?
>
> Seriously? You don't see the difference?
No, I mean: How does it matter in terms of your argument, that ObamaCare is a ponzi scheme?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 01:31PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > > None of which are entitlements.
> > >
> > > Which matters how?
> >
> > Seriously? You don't see the difference?
>
> No, I mean: How does it matter in terms of your
> argument, that ObamaCare is a ponzi scheme?
You are changing ships midstream. It looks like you are lost. You didn't ask that question in response to the ponzi scheme contention. You asked it in relation to entitlements.
In any event, you need contributors to pay for recipeints even though the contributors might not see a benefit whent he cash runs out. What happens when the pool of recipients takes more benefits than the contributors can contribute?
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, Ponzi scheme, call it whatever you want, it is unsustainable under the current systems in place.
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > > None of which are entitlements.
> > >
> > > Which matters how?
> >
> > Seriously? You don't see the difference?
>
> No, I mean: How does it matter in terms of your
> argument, that ObamaCare is a ponzi scheme?
You are changing ships midstream. It looks like you are lost. You didn't ask that question in response to the ponzi scheme contention. You asked it in relation to entitlements.
In any event, you need contributors to pay for recipeints even though the contributors might not see a benefit whent he cash runs out. What happens when the pool of recipients takes more benefits than the contributors can contribute?
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, Ponzi scheme, call it whatever you want, it is unsustainable under the current systems in place.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 01:38PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> What happens when the pool of recipients takes more
> benefits than the contributors can contribute?
Rates increase.
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> What happens when the pool of recipients takes more
> benefits than the contributors can contribute?
Rates increase.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 01:51PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What happens when the pool of recipients takes
> more
> > benefits than the contributors can contribute?
>
> Rates increase.
So you charge more to the people at the end of the line to pay the people at the beginning of the line? Yeah, that isn't a Ponzi scheme at all....
Again, at what point do these entitlements become unsustainable?
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What happens when the pool of recipients takes
> more
> > benefits than the contributors can contribute?
>
> Rates increase.
So you charge more to the people at the end of the line to pay the people at the beginning of the line? Yeah, that isn't a Ponzi scheme at all....
Again, at what point do these entitlements become unsustainable?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 02:11PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> So you charge more to the people at the end of the
> line to pay the people at the beginning of the
> line? Yeah, that isn't a Ponzi scheme at all....
>
> Again, at what point do these entitlements become
> unsustainable?
ObamaCare isn't an entitlement program.
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> So you charge more to the people at the end of the
> line to pay the people at the beginning of the
> line? Yeah, that isn't a Ponzi scheme at all....
>
> Again, at what point do these entitlements become
> unsustainable?
ObamaCare isn't an entitlement program.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:08PM
MHK-"Entitlement" is simply another way of saying it is something that government does which benefits a certain portion of the population which the speaker feels should be abolished. If the speaker feels it should be reprected he would refer to it as a "right".
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:15PM
To the Anti-Obamacare crowd, yes the law sucks. The arrangement in place before Obamacare took effect sucked even more. So let's talk about a way of replacing the law with something better.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Warren buttet
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:21PM
Just to be correct social security is not an entitlement. It was funded by taxpayers who worked and put money into it. Now welfare, food stamps section 8 and obamaphones, thats entitlements.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:24PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> ObamaCare isn't an entitlement program.
If that is the case, why did you claim it was just like social security?
If you can't afford the madate, do you get healthcare?
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> ObamaCare isn't an entitlement program.
If that is the case, why did you claim it was just like social security?
If you can't afford the madate, do you get healthcare?
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
No it isn't
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:30PM
Warren buttet Wrote:
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> Just to be correct social security is not an
> entitlement. It was funded by taxpayers who worked
> and put money into it. Now welfare, food stamps
> section 8 and obamaphones, thats entitlements.
Social Security is most certainly an entitlement. The system is paid for by current workers, to pay for current retirees.
The first recipients never even paid into it.
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> Just to be correct social security is not an
> entitlement. It was funded by taxpayers who worked
> and put money into it. Now welfare, food stamps
> section 8 and obamaphones, thats entitlements.
Social Security is most certainly an entitlement. The system is paid for by current workers, to pay for current retirees.
The first recipients never even paid into it.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
M vick
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:34PM
No it isn't Wrote:
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> Social Security is most certainly an entitlement.
> The system is paid for by current workers, to pay
> for current retirees.
>
> The first recipients never even paid into it.
The first didnt because it had to start somewhere. The current payess of course will see social security when they become old enough. In theory it was supposed to be a lockbox and untouchable, but that didnt happen.
Money is actually being put into the system unlike welfare where we know those receiving are not putting in a dime.
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> Social Security is most certainly an entitlement.
> The system is paid for by current workers, to pay
> for current retirees.
>
> The first recipients never even paid into it.
The first didnt because it had to start somewhere. The current payess of course will see social security when they become old enough. In theory it was supposed to be a lockbox and untouchable, but that didnt happen.
Money is actually being put into the system unlike welfare where we know those receiving are not putting in a dime.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
monkee see
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:43PM
grammar foul Wrote:
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> Atom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, it's news that the young have to subsidies
> the
> > old?
> >
> > If you want to releve the burden on the youth,
> off
> > yourself at 62. Then, I'll believe in your
> > selflessness.
>
>
> You edited your post, yet you still left in "you
> have to subsidies the old." Is subsidies a verb
> in your mind?
And he still misspelled "relieve".
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> Atom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, it's news that the young have to subsidies
> the
> > old?
> >
> > If you want to releve the burden on the youth,
> off
> > yourself at 62. Then, I'll believe in your
> > selflessness.
>
>
> You edited your post, yet you still left in "you
> have to subsidies the old." Is subsidies a verb
> in your mind?
And he still misspelled "relieve".
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Worker B
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:47PM
No it isn't Wrote:
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> Warren buttet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just to be correct social security is not an
> > entitlement. It was funded by taxpayers who
> worked
> > and put money into it. Now welfare, food stamps
> > section 8 and obamaphones, thats entitlements.
>
>
> Social Security is most certainly an entitlement.
> The system is paid for by current workers, to pay
> for current retirees.
>
> The first recipients never even paid into it.
Incorrect. Ida Fuller paid in $24.00 over a 3 year period and received the first SS payment under the system of $22.54. By the time of her death, she had received $23,000.
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> Warren buttet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just to be correct social security is not an
> > entitlement. It was funded by taxpayers who
> worked
> > and put money into it. Now welfare, food stamps
> > section 8 and obamaphones, thats entitlements.
>
>
> Social Security is most certainly an entitlement.
> The system is paid for by current workers, to pay
> for current retirees.
>
> The first recipients never even paid into it.
Incorrect. Ida Fuller paid in $24.00 over a 3 year period and received the first SS payment under the system of $22.54. By the time of her death, she had received $23,000.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Worker B
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:48PM
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 03:50PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > ObamaCare isn't an entitlement program.
>
> If that is the case, why did you claim it was just
> like social security?
Here's the exchnage:
time is running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits
> > received by some participants will exceed their
> > contributions and vice-versa.
>
> Just like Social Security.
Quite true.
1) YOU claimed ObamaCare is just like SS.
2) I agreed, to the extent that, "the benefits received by some participants will exceed their contributions and vice-versa."
> If you can't afford the madate, do you get
> healthcare?
Under Medicaid, yes. Not through ObamaCare.
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > ObamaCare isn't an entitlement program.
>
> If that is the case, why did you claim it was just
> like social security?
Here's the exchnage:
time is running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > As with any tax, under ObamaCare the benefits
> > received by some participants will exceed their
> > contributions and vice-versa.
>
> Just like Social Security.
Quite true.
1) YOU claimed ObamaCare is just like SS.
2) I agreed, to the extent that, "the benefits received by some participants will exceed their contributions and vice-versa."
> If you can't afford the madate, do you get
> healthcare?
Under Medicaid, yes. Not through ObamaCare.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time is running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 04:06PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> 1) YOU claimed ObamaCare is just
> like SS.
To which you responded "quite true."
> Under Medicaid, yes. Not through ObamaCare.
WRONG:
Q: What if I make too much for Medicaid but still can't afford coverage?
A: You might be eligible for government subsidies to help you pay for private insurance that would be sold in the new state-based insurance marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin operation in 2014.
Premium subsidies will be available for individuals and families with incomes between 133 percent and 400 percent of the poverty level, or $14,404 to $43,320 for individuals and $29,326 to $88,200 for a family of four.
The subsidies will be on a sliding scale. For example, a family of four earning 150 percent of the poverty level, or $33,075 a year, will have to pay 4 percent of its income, or $1,323, on premiums. A family with income of 400 percent of the poverty level will have to pay 9.5 percent, or $8,379.
In addition, if your income is below 400 percent of the poverty level, your out-of-pocket health expenses will be limited.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Please learn more about the law you are so vehemently defending. You clearly don't understand it very well at all.
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> 1) YOU claimed ObamaCare is just
> like SS.
To which you responded "quite true."
> Under Medicaid, yes. Not through ObamaCare.
WRONG:
Q: What if I make too much for Medicaid but still can't afford coverage?
A: You might be eligible for government subsidies to help you pay for private insurance that would be sold in the new state-based insurance marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin operation in 2014.
Premium subsidies will be available for individuals and families with incomes between 133 percent and 400 percent of the poverty level, or $14,404 to $43,320 for individuals and $29,326 to $88,200 for a family of four.
The subsidies will be on a sliding scale. For example, a family of four earning 150 percent of the poverty level, or $33,075 a year, will have to pay 4 percent of its income, or $1,323, on premiums. A family with income of 400 percent of the poverty level will have to pay 9.5 percent, or $8,379.
In addition, if your income is below 400 percent of the poverty level, your out-of-pocket health expenses will be limited.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Please learn more about the law you are so vehemently defending. You clearly don't understand it very well at all.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 04:13PM
time is running out Wrote:
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> To which you responded "quite true."
With regard to; "the benefits received by some participants will exceed their contributions and vice-versa."
> > Under Medicaid, yes. Not through ObamaCare.
>
> WRONG:
>
> Q: What if I make too much for Medicaid but still
> can't afford coverage?
>
> A: You might be eligible for government subsidies
> to help you pay for private insurance that would
> be sold in the new state-based insurance
> marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin
> operation in 2014.
Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance is not "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
PS - One can always "get healthcare" by going to an Emergency Room.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To which you responded "quite true."
With regard to; "the benefits received by some participants will exceed their contributions and vice-versa."
> > Under Medicaid, yes. Not through ObamaCare.
>
> WRONG:
>
> Q: What if I make too much for Medicaid but still
> can't afford coverage?
>
> A: You might be eligible for government subsidies
> to help you pay for private insurance that would
> be sold in the new state-based insurance
> marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin
> operation in 2014.
Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance is not "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
PS - One can always "get healthcare" by going to an Emergency Room.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 04:46PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance is not
> "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
It is free to the person that gets it.
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> Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance is not
> "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
It is free to the person that gets it.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
mo money
()
Date: November 28, 2012 05:04PM
I think we all know those who dont work will still get healthcare. They just show up at Faifax Hospital and demand to be treated, they cannot be refused. They have no wealth for the hospital to go after when the bill is not paid. The hospital just tacks on the lost revenue to the next customer who has insurance.
Si
Si
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 05:08PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance is
> not
> > "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
>
> It is free to the person that gets it.
Reduced cost does not equal free.
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance is
> not
> > "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
>
> It is free to the person that gets it.
Reduced cost does not equal free.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 05:10PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance
> is
> > not
> > > "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
> >
> > It is free to the person that gets it.
>
> Reduced cost does not equal free.
If it reduces it to nothing it equals free.
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Receiving a subsidy to by private insurance
> is
> > not
> > > "getting healthcare" for free as you implied.
> >
> > It is free to the person that gets it.
>
> Reduced cost does not equal free.
If it reduces it to nothing it equals free.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 05:25PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> If it reduces it to nothing it equals free.
This refers to the exchanges, which are for those who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid (133% of the poverty rate or more, to be precise). The subsidies could not reduce the cost to zero.
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> If it reduces it to nothing it equals free.
This refers to the exchanges, which are for those who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid (133% of the poverty rate or more, to be precise). The subsidies could not reduce the cost to zero.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 05:27PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If it reduces it to nothing it equals free.
>
> This refers to the exchanges, which are for those
> who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid (133% of
> the poverty rate or more, to be precise). The
> subsidies could not reduce the cost to zero.
And what are they reduced to? Come on, think a little here. I am tired of doing all the work for you.
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If it reduces it to nothing it equals free.
>
> This refers to the exchanges, which are for those
> who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid (133% of
> the poverty rate or more, to be precise). The
> subsidies could not reduce the cost to zero.
And what are they reduced to? Come on, think a little here. I am tired of doing all the work for you.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Mittens Having Kittens
()
Date: November 28, 2012 05:53PM
time's running out Wrote:
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> And what are they reduced to?
An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not free.
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> And what are they reduced to?
An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not free.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Yucky24.
()
Date: November 28, 2012 06:35PM
All of these young-ish White and East Asian people who vote Left are complete dumbfucks for thinking they'll actually get anything out of voting Democrat.
America is a worthless shithole trapped in some kind of Twilight Zone. We spend like the European socialist states but have nothing to show for it.
No "free" univeral government run health care.
No "free" college.
Shit infrastructure.
The money just goes to the retarded U.S. military who doesn't have the balls to conduct itself like a real empire, to low-IQ mud people, the elderly and governmnet employees.
These libtards think they're screwing over the rich and getting a free ride.
In reality, the Left views them as "oppressors" and spoiled yuppies to milk like tax slaves.
They're the ones who are gonna get screwed by the Democrat's version of socialism.
America is a worthless shithole trapped in some kind of Twilight Zone. We spend like the European socialist states but have nothing to show for it.
No "free" univeral government run health care.
No "free" college.
Shit infrastructure.
The money just goes to the retarded U.S. military who doesn't have the balls to conduct itself like a real empire, to low-IQ mud people, the elderly and governmnet employees.
These libtards think they're screwing over the rich and getting a free ride.
In reality, the Left views them as "oppressors" and spoiled yuppies to milk like tax slaves.
They're the ones who are gonna get screwed by the Democrat's version of socialism.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time is running out
()
Date: November 28, 2012 07:41PM
Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And what are they reduced to?
>
> An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not
> free.
Your inability to answer a simple question is astounding.
By the way, you just described an entitlement.
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> time's running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And what are they reduced to?
>
> An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not
> free.
Your inability to answer a simple question is astounding.
By the way, you just described an entitlement.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
kE
()
Date: November 29, 2012 04:31AM
time is running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time's running out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And what are they reduced to?
> >
> > An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not
> > free.
>
> Your inability to answer a simple question is
> astounding.
>
> By the way, you just described an entitlement.
MHK is a troll.
Do not engage.
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time's running out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And what are they reduced to?
> >
> > An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not
> > free.
>
> Your inability to answer a simple question is
> astounding.
>
> By the way, you just described an entitlement.
MHK is a troll.
Do not engage.
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
Loser Troll Says What
()
Date: November 29, 2012 07:32AM
time is running out Wrote:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time's running out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And what are they reduced to?
> >
> > An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not
> > free.
>
> Your inability to answer a simple question is
> astounding.
>
> By the way, you just described an entitlement.
You got your answer, Asswipe.
Now fuck off.
.
Attachments:
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> Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time's running out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And what are they reduced to?
> >
> > An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is not
> > free.
>
> Your inability to answer a simple question is
> astounding.
>
> By the way, you just described an entitlement.
You got your answer, Asswipe.
Now fuck off.
.
Attachments:
Re: It’s official: Obamacare will stick it to young Americans
Posted by:
time's running out
()
Date: November 29, 2012 09:29AM
Loser Troll Says What Wrote:
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> time is running out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > time's running out Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > And what are they reduced to?
> > >
> > > An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is
> not
> > > free.
> >
> > Your inability to answer a simple question is
> > astounding.
> >
> > By the way, you just described an entitlement.
>
> You got your answer, Asswipe.
>
> Now fuck off.
>
> .
If that is the answer, then your stupidity is hereby noted and confirmed. As for fucking off, fucking make me, pussy ass bitch.
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> time is running out Wrote:
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> > Mittens Having Kittens Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > time's running out Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> > > > And what are they reduced to?
> > >
> > > An amount >$0, meaning their healthcare is
> not
> > > free.
> >
> > Your inability to answer a simple question is
> > astounding.
> >
> > By the way, you just described an entitlement.
>
> You got your answer, Asswipe.
>
> Now fuck off.
>
> .
If that is the answer, then your stupidity is hereby noted and confirmed. As for fucking off, fucking make me, pussy ass bitch.