I'm agnostic and don't really believe any religion is divine or came from "god" . Furthermore, I do think that they copied each other and are a sham, especially the abrahamic religions, amongst them Islam and Judaism. Jesus was probably crazy in real life, so I don't blame him as much.

Zoroastrianism originated in ancient Persia around 5 thousand years ago.

Its funny how much these abrahamic religions copied from Zoroastrianism:
1.Monothiesm
2.concept of heaven and hell
3.God and the devil
4.Judgment day
5.Angels
6.Story of Adam and eve
7.Virgin giving birth
8. A messiah that will help humanity (mehdi and return of Jesus)
9. The belief that none will stay in hell forever, which Muslims copied

Not to mention the values of not fornicating, harming your body etc...

There are much more...

Especially the Muslims who copied the domes, burkas and veils, praying five times a day, how they pray (check out how Zoroastrians pray). There's even a text taken straight out the Avesta where a Zoroastrian priest consumes some drug plant and is given a tour through heaven and hell by an angel. Looks to the right he sees happy people who are supposedly in heaven and left he sees depressed people in hell. Mohamed supposedly had the same experience except he drank honey milk, lol.
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Wheres your god now you Abrahamic heathens?

I think I saw him in the other thread you made on Zoroastrianism...

Darius Ashkani Wrote:
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> Wheres your god now you Abrahamic heathens?

Signatures are for fags

Praise AHURA MAZDA! the magnificent, the all knowing, the irresistible.

I knew an Indian woman from India that was of Indian heritage, and I assumed she was Hindu, but she said she was this Zoroastrian. I couldn't understand what she was talking about, but apparently they worship fire in a temple.

She was probabely ethnic Parsi (Persian).

Fire is a symbol of Zoroastrianism, they don't woship it. Just like how Christianity has the cross, islam the moon and star, and Judaism the star of david.

Fire represents cleanliness, purity, plus it cant be corrupted.

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> apparently they worship fire in a temple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCTaxGhRC5M

Zoroastrians worship Ahura Mazda (Literaly means the all knowing in ancient Persian), basically they're referring to god.

I converted to Zoroastrianism 5 years ago. Best thing to happen to me.

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> I converted to Zoroastrianism 5 years ago. Best
> thing to happen to me.




Have you considered joining Scientology? It's compatible with any religion.

Clear is a finite state. It does exist as a finite state. It is an ultimate and it is an absolute.

Zoro didn't steal cars from the poor. Whatever happened to: Zoro?

you forgot Sikhism. if i thought you didn't understand God i'm sure that'll be easy for you.

Ah ok! Your agnostic. You get the question: prove there is no God.

have fun answering that

svennestle Wrote:
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> Zoro didn't steal cars from the poor. Whatever
> happened to: Zoro?

Antonio Banderas destroyed him.

> Ah ok! Your agnostic. You get the question:
> prove there is no God.
>
> have fun answering that

sven, do you know what "agnostic" means?

Signatures are for fags

svennestle Wrote:
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> Zoro didn't steal cars from the poor. Whatever
> happened to: Zoro?
>
> you forgot Sikhism. if i thought you didn't
> understand God i'm sure that'll be easy for you.
>
> Ah ok! Your agnostic. You get the question:
> prove there is no God.
>
> have fun answering that

This is an amazing shitpile of gibberish, even for this twitchy tard. The answer to the question, "Sven, do you know what '(any word in the English language)' means?" is no. Svennestle's continued life is proof that god does not exist.

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> svennestle Wrote:
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> > Zoro didn't steal cars from the poor. Whatever
> > happened to: Zoro?
>
> Antonio Banderas destroyed him.
>
> > Ah ok! Your agnostic. You get the question:
> > prove there is no God.
> >
> > have fun answering that
>
> sven, do you know what "agnostic" means?
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Agnostic is such a lame and overused term. Everyone is agnostic. No one knows for sure whether there is or isn't some magical entity in the sky somewhere.

People who use that term are mostly fence sitters that can't make up their own mind about anything. It's the easy and blameless way out the whole conversation.

It's ridiculous that in 2013, with all the information you need to make an informed decision just a few Google searches away, that so many people are still too lame, frightened or lazy to make up their mind.

I do not post here to start revile and reproach against you, for I was before and still consider myself lowly in righteousness. But I come instead with warmness and delight in giving you what most have failed to realize is a gift. This gift was given to us by Yahuah as a way for us to escape the second destruction of this world, and an everlasting death which is she'ol(hell). This gift is Yahusha the messiah. Given to us a an atonement for all of humanity's wrong-doings, born of humanity to save it. Sent from Heaven for us to believe on, to freely receive everlasting life, and to be set-apart with him, away from the ignorance and unrighteousness of this world. Brothers I do not come as one boasting in wisdom of the messiah, but as one who wants you to be in messiah as well. As our only elohim has given us a gift so grand out of greatness of his love, I have come to you with the gift in love as well. It is understandable that in this day and age many flee from these topics to search their own hearts. But brothers I ask you only consider how great a gift it is to escape from death, and to be called children of a mighty and single creator.

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JJ Redick Wrote:
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> I do not post here to start revile and reproach
> against you, for I was before and still consider
> myself lowly in righteousness. But I come instead
> with warmness and delight in giving you what most
> have failed to realize is a gift. This gift was
> given to us by Yahuah as a way for us to escape
> the second destruction of this world, and an
> everlasting death which is she'ol(hell). This gift
> is Yahusha the messiah. Given to us a an atonement
> for all of humanity's wrong-doings, born of
> humanity to save it. Sent from Heaven for us to
> believe on, to freely receive everlasting life,
> and to be set-apart with him, away from the
> ignorance and unrighteousness of this world.
> Brothers I do not come as one boasting in wisdom
> of the messiah, but as one who wants you to be in
> messiah as well. As our only elohim has given us a
> gift so grand out of greatness of his love, I have
> come to you with the gift in love as well. It is
> understandable that in this day and age many flee
> from these topics to search their own hearts. But
> brothers I ask you only consider how great a gift
> it is to escape from death, and to be called
> children of a mighty and single creator.

Harry Krishna!!

concept of heaven and hell wasn't in Judaism and early Christianity

http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/Afterlife-In-Judaism-Jewish-Beliefs.htm

Darius Ashkani Wrote:
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> Wheres your god now you Abrahamic heathens?


i was a nonbeliever until one day I begrudgingly got into Christ. I was in and out of trouble during my youth. hated my family, hated their church. I eventually was drinking very hard, got divorced, selling drugs and smoking pot all day and did a stiff jail sentence for extortion check scheme. you basically didn't want to know me. snorting coke, trying ketch a few times, and then I actually saw the Christ figure one morning. in all His glory. he walked about my room for several minutes and beckoned me. I'll never forget that moment. eventually I saw him out in my yard and I swear to this day, I've been following him ever since.

Ten sentences about drugs and jail... Three sentences about visually seeing the holy son of god...

Must've had quite an impact on you..

Signatures are for fags

Darius Ashkani Wrote:
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> I'm agnostic and don't really believe any religion
> is divine or came from "god" . Furthermore, I do
> think that they copied each other and are a sham,
> especially the abrahamic religions, amongst them
> Islam and Judaism. Jesus was probably crazy in
> real life, so I don't blame him as much.
>
> Zoroastrianism originated in ancient Persia around
> 5 thousand years ago.
>
> Its funny how much these abrahamic religions
> copied from Zoroastrianism:
> 1.Monothiesm
> 2.concept of heaven and hell
> 3.God and the devil
> 4.Judgment day
> 5.Angels
> 6.Story of Adam and eve
> 7.Virgin giving birth
> 8. A messiah that will help humanity (mehdi and
> return of Jesus)
> 9. The belief that none will stay in hell
> forever, which Muslims copied
>
> Not to mention the values of not fornicating,
> harming your body etc...
>
> There are much more...
>
> Especially the Muslims who copied the domes,
> burkas and veils, praying five times a day, how
> they pray (check out how Zoroastrians pray).
> There's even a text taken straight out the Avesta
> where a Zoroastrian priest consumes some drug
> plant and is given a tour through heaven and hell
> by an angel. Looks to the right he sees happy
> people who are supposedly in heaven and left he
> sees depressed people in hell. Mohamed supposedly
> had the same experience except he drank honey
> milk, lol.


No one gives a shit.

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Ten sentences about drugs and jail... Three
> sentences about visually seeing the holy son of
> god...
>
> Must've had quite an impact on you..


Jesus is very compassionate and will come to you in your time of great need. That's what makes his glory so powerful.

Look into Mithras... See how alike the story is to Jesus Christ.

Yes, the plot always stays the same only the characters and story change a bit. What's beneath is real. "God" is both within and outside us.

A book you might want to look into... The Mushroom And The Cross. It all originated with ancient mushroom cults. If you take the plunge, you will never be the same again. After years of anquish you may come out on top & truly understand everything and everyone around you.

Edgar Cayce, The Orgins Of The Universe and studying good interpretations of Kabbalah is also incredibly eye-opening. First you need to be granted Knowledge, power and Wisdom or you won't get any of it.

You seem to have a genuine curiosity and interest, just letting you know.

Re: Zoroastrianism: the father of islam, Christianity, judaism new
Posted by: MissLottie ()
Date: September 28, 2013 11:23AM

Conversation: Yes, Thank you. Persian Empire existed for more than a thousand years, competing with the Greeks and then the Rome.

Memory of Cyrus The Great (570 BC-530 BC Best Estimate) is written in the Old Testament of the Hebrew people for the magnanimity and tolerance shown to the Hebrew nation bondaged in Babylon when Cyrus entered that ancient capital of civilization centuries before the Greek Alexander The Great.


Ancient Spiritual Philosophy of The Zoroastrians of Persia

America was born out of philosophy rooted in the wisdom of founding fathers
who considered this freedom religion will henceforth be among the most treasured in the aspiration of justice and equality as the twin pillar written in a venerated document called the Constitution.

Ancient spiritual philosophy of the Persians called Zoroastrians that still survive today as a small group of ethnic spiritual voice scattered among many lands today.

Zorastrian religion was the state religion that once competed for five hundred years with Ancient Rome at the birth of Christianity in 1st Century AD at the eastern
border of Historic Roman Province of Israel.
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More than likely, Jesus was a real person and became mythologized as it became accepted in areas where pagan figures were worshipped. They borrowed the stories just as the Exodus and Genesis stories were borrowed from other cultures.

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

eLester Wrote:
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> More than likely, Jesus was a real person and
> became mythologized as it became accepted in areas
> where pagan figures were worshipped. They
> borrowed the stories just as the Exodus and
> Genesis stories were borrowed from other cultures.
>
>
> http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.ht
> ml


Your use of the word "borrowed" is interesting. Did you ever consider that perhaps these stories are real but the different religions each had slightly different versions. Example: almost all ancient religions have a flood story where the earth was covered by a great flood. So either they all borrowed that story from somewhere or it happened and each religion retold the event.

Why did Judaism, which was a small religion in one small area of the world practiced by a small subset of the inhabitants of that area become the foundational religion of the two biggest religions in the world?

Perhaps because it was the truth.

fLester Wrote:
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> Why did Judaism, which was a small religion in one
> small area of the world practiced by a small
> subset of the inhabitants of that area become the
> foundational religion of the two biggest religions
> in the world?
>


Because christianity came into contact with the politics of the Roman Empire, who spread it into Europe.

Stories were told and retold as cultural influences expanded. It doesn't mean that the same mythical event happened.

The Exodus story was not real. The Jews may have stolen the story of the Overthrow of the Hyksos in Egypt and adapted it to fit their

The Genesis and Great Flood stories were borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The Massacre of the Canaanites by the Jews never happened.

The Seige of the Masada was exaggerated to make it appear to be heroic last stand.

Also the United Monarchy of David and Saul was probably greatly exaggerated. Archaelogists finds don't match the geographic reach claimed in the Torah. They either didn't exist or were very minor figures.

Re: Zoroastrianism: the father of islam, Christianity, judaism new
Posted by: eLester ()
Date: September 29, 2013 01:42PM


Also the United Monarchy of David and Saul was probably greatly exaggerated. Archaelogists finds don't match the geographic reach claimed in the Torah. They either didn't exist or were very minor figures.



Conversation: I have seen scholarly aricle recently, not sure where I saw it, probably National Geographic that archeologist have found a "palace" which could be that of David's Son, Solomon.

So, there much Biblical Archeology is yet to be done.

As far as the connection between Zoroastrian philosophy and tradition of "Battle of Good and Evil" and how that got translated in the Hebrew tradition of the "Davil" is an intersting story.

Before the Babylonian captivity, the Hebrews did not have a concept of the "Davil". But living in the Persian Empire for 500 years post Babylon, they picked up this idea in their spiritual tradition as much as the concept of "Paradise".

The word "Pardis" in Persian means a beautiful garden.

It is known that Jesus spoke Aramaic based on scholarly studies of the synoptic gospels, Mark, Mathew, and Luke. Gospel of John came much later. And the Gospel of Thomas was considered heretic for a long time and banned though it is thought to be an element, possibly of the "lost" Q Document.

I understand the Araamic speakers in modern nations of Syria, Iran and other Central Asian nations in ancient Persian Empire are slowly being assimilated with more powerful national cultures.

Anyone can make a comment on this loss of culture, "loss of Old Growth Forest of the Mind" (As said the wiseman from America, Smithsonian Institute Antrophologist I think) ?
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the following are easily used by bullies to teach that the rich are your judge and leader and may assualt you at will.

1.Monothiesm
4.Judgment day

they use religion to affirm control over others, while operating a huge wage gap and being mean to people and assaulting the poor.

that is, it's easy to convince who believe that there is a "power system they are subject to" odd, since the bible tries to teach them NOT to be part of such a system except to pay tax !

yet it is drilled into their head so much i don't wonder. i dont' wonder why con artists are so successful at the largess wage gap in history of man - and the worst treatment of poor in many ways (though very unevenly distributed).

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"Not to mention the values of not fornicating"

no it said not to do it all day or cause problems doing it. not to have kids you can't support (or to leave a woman in that position). read it again. bible never directly attacked masterbation. no. where? i know it isn't there.

waldenthreenet Wrote:
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> It is known that Jesus spoke Aramaic based on
> scholarly studies of the synoptic gospels, Mark,
> Mathew, and Luke. Gospel of John came much later.
> And the Gospel of Thomas was considered heretic
> for a long time and banned though it is thought to
> be an element, possibly of the "lost" Q Document.
>
> I understand the Araamic speakers in modern
> nations of Syria, Iran and other Central Asian
> nations in ancient Persian Empire are slowly being
> assimilated with more powerful national cultures.
>
>
> Anyone can make a comment on this loss of culture,
> "loss of Old Growth Forest of the Mind" (As said
> the wiseman from America, Smithsonian Institute
> Antrophologist I think) ?


The Gospel of John is considered to have been written before 100 AD, perhaps as early as 60 AD but sometime within that 40 year span. The other Gospels were probably first written sometime betweem 40 and 80 AD. I suppose you could call a 20 year span " much later", but it's not like it was much after the original Gospels.

Written in the 1st century and modified in the canonization process and the assemblage of the King James version.

Another fake religion. CHRISTIANITY is the only true faith. Period. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!!

Much that we have learned about Christianity have come recently from dedicated scholars working to carry out archeological excavation and dig deep into the Gospels for clues to what has yet not been discovered in Gospel of John, the Synoptics and others such as the Gospel of Thomas.

Apostle Thomas's journey to India in 52 AD as is the tradition remembered by the Thomas Christians in South India, came nearly 20 years before the Roman General Titus invasion of Judea.

At that early times, Christianity was still a Hebrew Sect and the leader of small community of Christians was James The Just, a brother of Jesus as designated by Jesus himself , and remembered in the Synoptic Gospels.

So, this was centuries before rise of Roman Catholic sect of Christianity.

Scientific evidence of Apostle Thomas's journey to India whether by sea or through the Persian Empire to India by the Silk Road is still remains to be determined if possible via scholarly study combined with excavations by scholars.

Yea, Persia, Rome, Jerusalem are intertwined in history that has shaped our modern world via military rivalry as much as spiritual and cultural traditions.


Question: Who cares what really is the truth about St Thomas's Journey to India around 52 AD (traditions repeatedly have found to be oral history basis often in other scientific/archelological discoveries).


Answer; Yea, I care. Anyone else ?
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Not sure of the value of a lecture on Christianity by a cow worshipping bandicoot.