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for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Thin Lizzy ()
Date: September 26, 2013 12:43PM

At its core, the Republicans' scorched-earth opposition to Obamacare has never been so much about "freedom" or "limited government" or any other right-wing ideological buzzword as it has been about political power, pure and simple. Now as for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed. Along with Social Security and Medicare, successful health care reform would provide the third and final pillar of Americans' social safety net, all brought you by the Democratic Party. To put it another way, the GOP was never really concerned about a "government takeover of health care", "rationing", "the doctor-patient relationship" or mythical "death panels," but that an American public grateful for access to health care could provide Democrats with an enduring majority for years to come.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: say what? ()
Date: September 26, 2013 12:45PM

So, the two programs bankrupting this country are "successful"?

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Thin!Lizzy ()
Date: September 26, 2013 12:51PM

say what? Wrote:
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> So, the two programs bankrupting this country are
> "successful"?

Hugely successful.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: e gads ()
Date: September 26, 2013 01:27PM

say what? Wrote:
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> So, the two programs bankrupting this country are
> "successful"?


in the eyes of a liberal, yes, very successful.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: JHd7y ()
Date: September 26, 2013 01:28PM

Thin!Lizzy Wrote:
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> say what? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, the two programs bankrupting this country
> are
> > "successful"?
>
> Hugely successful at bankrupting the country.


^ fify

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: LDKNt ()
Date: September 26, 2013 09:22PM

shhhhhhhh


repubs are allergic to facts and reality

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: September 26, 2013 09:44PM

Except that the ACA isn't reform.........it's a takeover.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Rufus ()
Date: September 26, 2013 10:23PM

Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Except that the ACA isn't reform.........it's a
> takeover.


One example please.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: From Da Hood -- Obamacare ()
Date: September 26, 2013 11:24PM

Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Except that the ACA isn't reform.........it's a
> takeover.

The whole objective of the Affordable Care Act is to get it into place, then it will fail. When that happens, the government will get essentially what they were after in the first place -- socialized medicine.

I'm not making this up, I've read it more than one time from some very "neutral" news sites. If you search a bit, you'll see what I mean.

Oh, I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent, so please leave the GOP / Republican bias blah, blah, blah out of this.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 26, 2013 11:30PM

Rufus Wrote:
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Except that the ACA isn't reform.........it's a
> > takeover.
>
>
> One example please.


Think.

You shouldn't need others to explain simple things.

Do you not understand that government, by its very nature, is inherently evil?

"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one...."
- Thomas Paine

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence -- it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master."
- George Washington

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Earth to Da Hood ()
Date: September 27, 2013 12:51AM

From Da Hood -- Obamacare Wrote:
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Except that the ACA isn't reform.........it's a
> > takeover.
>
> The whole objective of the Affordable Care Act is
> to get it into place, then it will fail. When
> that happens, the government will get essentially
> what they were after in the first place --
> socialized medicine.

Yeah, that's the objective - failure. What planet are you living on?

> I'm not making this up, I've read it more than one
> time from some very "neutral" news sites. If you
> search a bit, you'll see what I mean.

Define "neural". FOX doesn't count. And no, we're not going to search your WingNut websites.

> Oh, I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent, so
> please leave the GOP / Republican bias blah, blah,
> blah out of this.

Yeah. Like anyone believes that.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: September 27, 2013 06:54AM

Rufus Wrote:
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Except that the ACA isn't reform.........it's a
> > takeover.
>
>
> One example please.


Shall I forward this request to the OP?

I didn't say it was reform. OP did.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: The Fountainheadcase ()
Date: September 27, 2013 08:48AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Do you not understand that government, by its very
> nature, is inherently evil?

you sound like one of those teabagger assholes

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: Thin!Lizzy ()
Date: September 27, 2013 09:07AM

Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Except that the ACA isn't reform.........it's a
> takeover.

What You said yesterday @ 9:44 PM.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: gerry1 ()
Date: September 27, 2013 10:00AM

Republicans are sick of Republicans. This policy of obstruction at the expense of the nation is not sustainable.

Who wants to be a Senator if there is nothing he can accomplish for his country? There is not legislative process, no bipartisan negotiating. The veteran senators have given the whole obstruction political strategy its due course and it failed. Enough is enough. Ted Cruz is just a late comer opportunist wishing to portray himself as somehow more principled than his colleagues by pursuing a failed political strategy.

This is more of a fight for the identity of the Republican party with possible damage to the country as a byproduct.

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Date: September 27, 2013 11:22AM

No, they are only opposed to the government getting larger on an even more colossal scale and intruding more into the everyday lives of Americans. Besides why all the waivers, especially for congress? Explain that......

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Re: for the past 20 years, Republicans have feared not that health care reform would fail the American people, but that it would succeed.
Posted by: losers ()
Date: September 29, 2013 12:43AM

The Fountainheadcase Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you not understand that government, by its
> very
> > nature, is inherently evil?
>
> you sound like one of those teabagger assholes


You sound like a dumbass Obama dick-sucker.

Go jump in a fire; you're a waste of space. It's time to purge the earth of the non-producers, the parasites, the leeches who should have died off through natural selection but are being artificially kept alive.

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