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Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Good Guyz ()
Date: September 17, 2013 05:39AM

Oh THATS right the good guys that obey our laws are not allowed to carry a gun in the Navy yard. Looks like anti gun laws kill again!

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: FCPD: OFFICIAL ()
Date: September 17, 2013 04:32PM

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

According to Chief Cathy "Barbie" Lanier, officers were on the location two minutes after the shots first started. One wonders how many of the victims were killed during that two minutes and whether that two minutes is just on location as in the Navy Yard or actually at the crime scene.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 28 ()
Date: September 17, 2013 04:41PM

FCPD: OFFICIAL Wrote:
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> According to Chief Cathy "Barbie" Lanier, officers
> were on the location two minutes after the shots
> first started. One wonders how many of the victims
> were killed during that two minutes and whether
> that two minutes is just on location as in the
> Navy Yard or actually at the crime scene.

Definitely on location. Only in movies do they just pull up and have patrolmen go charging in.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: High Noon ()
Date: September 17, 2013 07:01PM

There are no good guys with a gun.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: But... ()
Date: September 17, 2013 09:10PM

They're plenty of bad guys with guns. Take them all away from the good guys alone and see what you get.

Tell you what, have all the police surrender their firearms like the Bobbies in the UK and we see how that goes for a few months. If there is no gun crime I'll get rid of mine too.

Deal?

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: From Da Hood ()
Date: September 17, 2013 09:42PM

This was a very sad incident, but I did have an observation that I'd like to share. On tonight's news, I saw the pictures of about 9 of the 12 people that were shot. All of those in the pictures were non-African American people.

This was a racial incident. Where is the outrage? Where's Spike Lee? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton?

Oh, yes, I see. They only arrive on the scene when someone other than a black person commits the crime against a black person.

Finally, to get back on topic, you - the OP has a great point. Yes, there should have been someone - or many employees in the compound armed. It's this same crap that will get all of us killed. Obama wants to get gun control passed. Hopefully, it won't get passed at all. It's a weak bill and as we've learned again and again, it would do nothing to help in situations like this. Also, I did see how president Obama was already politicizing this event for gun control before all the bodies were counted from yesterday and those who made it through the day could return to the families and loved ones.

Does president Obama have no shame? - Oh, I already know the answer to that question, but I'm presenting it the forum members here.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: the real deal ()
Date: September 18, 2013 04:47AM

The bottom line is that gun control has got to start somewhere. We need it desperately. Shootings like this last one will continue unless we round up most of the guns and severely control the distribution of ammo. It may take a hundred years to round up half of the guns in this country but it must be done.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: SKEPTICAL2013 ()
Date: September 18, 2013 04:53AM

If Obama had a son he might look like this.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: September 18, 2013 06:12AM

the real deal Wrote:
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> The bottom line is that gun control has got to
> start somewhere. We need it desperately. Shootings
> like this last one will continue unless we round
> up most of the guns and severely control the
> distribution of ammo. It may take a hundred years
> to round up half of the guns in this country but
> it must be done.
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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Thanks Bill ()
Date: September 18, 2013 07:47AM

But... Wrote:
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> They're plenty of bad guys with guns. Take them
> all away from the good guys alone and see what you
> get.
>
> Tell you what, have all the police surrender their
> firearms like the Bobbies in the UK and we see how
> that goes for a few months. If there is no gun
> crime I'll get rid of mine too.
>
> Deal?


Bill Clinton tried to do what you are asking:
Military installations are technically “gun free” zones meaning that military and civilian personnel are prohibited from possessing weapons without special authorization. This policy includes those living on military bases who are not allowed to keep personal weapons in their domiciles. Regulation 90-114 regulates firearms on military bases and was implemented by President Clinton in 1993.

http://www.ehow.com/list_7166427_gun-laws-military-installations.html

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: how do it work 2 ()
Date: September 18, 2013 07:59AM

From Da Hood Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This was a very sad incident, but I did have an
> observation that I'd like to share. On tonight's
> news, I saw the pictures of about 9 of the 12
> people that were shot. All of those in the
> pictures were non-African American people.
>
> This was a racial incident. Where is the outrage?
> Where's Spike Lee? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton?
>
> Oh, yes, I see. They only arrive on the scene
> when someone other than a black person commits the
> crime against a black person.
>
> Finally, to get back on topic, you - the OP has a
> great point. Yes, there should have been someone
> - or many employees in the compound armed. It's
> this same crap that will get all of us killed.
> Obama wants to get gun control passed. Hopefully,
> it won't get passed at all. It's a weak bill and
> as we've learned again and again, it would do
> nothing to help in situations like this. Also, I
> did see how president Obama was already
> politicizing this event for gun control before all
> the bodies were counted from yesterday and those
> who made it through the day could return to the
> families and loved ones.
>
> Does president Obama have no shame? - Oh, I
> already know the answer to that question, but I'm
> presenting it the forum members here.


How would it work with non-uniformed civilians having guns and shooting back?

After a while, you would have multiple people running around with guns and shooting...how would you know who the "bad guy" was?

I picture a scene with a "good guy" with a gun taking aim at the "bad guy", or at least someone he thinks is the "bad guy", and then getting blown away by either another "good guy" or a cop.

Mind you, I'm not a gun control person. Just don't understand how armed citizens would help these types of situations.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: The age of television ()
Date: September 18, 2013 08:35AM

how do it work 2 Wrote:
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> From Da Hood Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This was a very sad incident, but I did have an
> > observation that I'd like to share. On
> tonight's
> > news, I saw the pictures of about 9 of the 12
> > people that were shot. All of those in the
> > pictures were non-African American people.
> >
> > This was a racial incident. Where is the
> outrage?
> > Where's Spike Lee? Jesse Jackson? Al
> Sharpton?
> >
> > Oh, yes, I see. They only arrive on the scene
> > when someone other than a black person commits
> the
> > crime against a black person.
> >
> > Finally, to get back on topic, you - the OP has
> a
> > great point. Yes, there should have been
> someone
> > - or many employees in the compound armed.
> It's
> > this same crap that will get all of us killed.
> > Obama wants to get gun control passed.
> Hopefully,
> > it won't get passed at all. It's a weak bill
> and
> > as we've learned again and again, it would do
> > nothing to help in situations like this. Also,
> I
> > did see how president Obama was already
> > politicizing this event for gun control before
> all
> > the bodies were counted from yesterday and
> those
> > who made it through the day could return to the
> > families and loved ones.
> >
> > Does president Obama have no shame? - Oh, I
> > already know the answer to that question, but
> I'm
> > presenting it the forum members here.
>
>
> How would it work with non-uniformed civilians
> having guns and shooting back?
>
> After a while, you would have multiple people
> running around with guns and shooting...how would
> you know who the "bad guy" was?
>
> I picture a scene with a "good guy" with a gun
> taking aim at the "bad guy", or at least someone
> he thinks is the "bad guy", and then getting blown
> away by either another "good guy" or a cop.
>
> Mind you, I'm not a gun control person. Just don't
> understand how armed citizens would help these
> types of situations.

Shhhh, that's the point. Everyone dies. You are only as good as your last big mac,fries and soda. "Have it your way" or something like that

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Cuckoo for coco ()
Date: September 18, 2013 09:33AM

how do it work 2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From Da Hood Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This was a very sad incident, but I did have an
> > observation that I'd like to share. On
> tonight's
> > news, I saw the pictures of about 9 of the 12
> > people that were shot. All of those in the
> > pictures were non-African American people.
> >
> > This was a racial incident. Where is the
> outrage?
> > Where's Spike Lee? Jesse Jackson? Al
> Sharpton?
> >
> > Oh, yes, I see. They only arrive on the scene
> > when someone other than a black person commits
> the
> > crime against a black person.
> >
> > Finally, to get back on topic, you - the OP has
> a
> > great point. Yes, there should have been
> someone
> > - or many employees in the compound armed.
> It's
> > this same crap that will get all of us killed.
> > Obama wants to get gun control passed.
> Hopefully,
> > it won't get passed at all. It's a weak bill
> and
> > as we've learned again and again, it would do
> > nothing to help in situations like this. Also,
> I
> > did see how president Obama was already
> > politicizing this event for gun control before
> all
> > the bodies were counted from yesterday and
> those
> > who made it through the day could return to the
> > families and loved ones.
> >
> > Does president Obama have no shame? - Oh, I
> > already know the answer to that question, but
> I'm
> > presenting it the forum members here.
>
>
> How would it work with non-uniformed civilians
> having guns and shooting back?
>
> After a while, you would have multiple people
> running around with guns and shooting...how would
> you know who the "bad guy" was?
>
> I picture a scene with a "good guy" with a gun
> taking aim at the "bad guy", or at least someone
> he thinks is the "bad guy", and then getting blown
> away by either another "good guy" or a cop.
>
> Mind you, I'm not a gun control person. Just don't
> understand how armed citizens would help these
> types of situations.


So you make up scenarios in your head and use those as a basis for forming your opinions? The Navy Yard shooter also heard voices in his head. You might want to get your head checked.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: yep, pretty similiar ()
Date: September 18, 2013 10:34AM

Well, smart gal, when we talk about possible future events, we all make up scenarios in our mind. That is really the only way we can contemplate, and then talk about the future.

That is one of the great capabilities of our mind. Perhaps that, along with opposable thumbs, separates us from chimps.

So, contemplating untrained and panicked armed civilians shooting each other in an armed shootout is the same thing as hearing voices in one's head?

What an f***ing childish idiot.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: back to you ()
Date: September 19, 2013 10:37PM

Good question.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 28 ()
Date: September 19, 2013 10:51PM

how do it work 2 Wrote:
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> How would it work with non-uniformed civilians
> having guns and shooting back?

Not how it happens, theres numerous examples of a citizens ending a shooting with their gun.

> After a while, you would have multiple people
> running around with guns and shooting...how would
> you know who the "bad guy" was?

If the military members on the Navy Yard were armed that could have been over before the police even showed up, assuming it would have even happened at all.

> I picture a scene with a "good guy" with a gun
> taking aim at the "bad guy", or at least someone
> he thinks is the "bad guy", and then getting blown
> away by either another "good guy" or a cop.

You must think everyone in the military are a bunch of idiots then. I wonder how we ever win a battle or war when theyre apparently all shooting each other all the time.

> Mind you, I'm not a gun control person. Just don't
> understand how armed citizens would help these
> types of situations.

How does not being armed help?

Again numerous examples of it stopping the shooter. If you dont want one dont have one but if theres an active shooter youll be wishing you had one.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: rambone ()
Date: September 19, 2013 11:04PM

"You must think everyone in the military are a bunch of idiots then."

Note that I said civilians, sweety.

I also do know that a great number of our fantastic military is not ready to go into urban, armed combat.

Those folks that are ready to do so represent the tip of the spear. There are a great many fine folks in the military who support the tip of the spear.

I guess you think you would walk onto an air force base and have everyone there be able to jump into an F-16 and fly off.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 28 ()
Date: September 20, 2013 01:53AM

rambone Wrote:
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> "You must think everyone in the military are a
> bunch of idiots then."
>
> Note that I said civilians, sweety.

The Navy yard is whats at question here and the original point was its pretty absurd that the military arent allowed to carry on their own base. Officers cant even have a sidearm.

> I also do know that a great number of our
> fantastic military is not ready to go into urban,
> armed combat.

Theyre just as prepared as the average patrol cop, expect they actually shoot more per year.

That said its not like it was a Chinese battalion hitting the base. It was one guy where instead of seeing 20 or 30 uniformed military members fleeing would have turned their attention to him and it would have been over rather quickly.

> Those folks that are ready to do so represent the
> tip of the spear. There are a great many fine
> folks in the military who support the tip of the
> spear.

Agreed not all military members are equally combat ready but again its a shooter not a military assault.

> I guess you think you would walk onto an air force
> base and have everyone there be able to jump into
> an F-16 and fly off.

Thats an absurd immature comparison that quite frankly suggests this discussion is above your head if you have to resort to something so childish. You just made the equivalent argument of just claiming racism, basically you just showed you have no response and resorted to desperation. If thats what your arguments based off of I suggest finding something else to do with your time.

FYI there are people at all Air Force bases on alert ready to do just that anyway just so you know

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: gun safety ()
Date: September 20, 2013 03:32AM

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: pea shooter ()
Date: September 21, 2013 06:49AM

The "good" guy with a gun was the first to die then the bad guy took his gun and ammo. This was real life and death, not some NRA nutjob's fantasy.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Bill Brady ()
Date: September 22, 2013 04:13PM

pea shooter Wrote:
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> The "good" guy with a gun was the first to die
> then the bad guy took his gun and ammo. This was
> real life and death, not some NRA nutjob's
> fantasy.


+ 1.6 million

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 28 ()
Date: September 22, 2013 05:00PM

pea shooter Wrote:
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> The "good" guy with a gun was the first to die
> then the bad guy took his gun and ammo. This was
> real life and death, not some NRA nutjob's
> fantasy.


As opposed to the unarmed people who were shot dead? What point do you think youre making?

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: There are no good guys with guns ()
Date: September 22, 2013 05:21PM

There are only people who are dead or people who are still alive.
That is just a fact of life.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 28 ()
Date: September 22, 2013 05:24PM

There are no good guys with guns Wrote:
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> There are only people who are dead or people who
> are still alive.
> That is just a fact of life.

Again what kind of delusional point do you think youre making?

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Delusional ()
Date: September 22, 2013 05:44PM

Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: High Noon ()
Date: September 17, 2013 07:01PM

There are no good guys with a gun.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: pea shooter ()
Date: September 22, 2013 08:27PM

Liberal Logic 28 Wrote:
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> pea shooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The "good" guy with a gun was the first to die
> > then the bad guy took his gun and ammo. This
> was
> > real life and death, not some NRA nutjob's
> > fantasy.
>
>
> As opposed to the unarmed people who were shot
> dead? What point do you think youre making?


Thank god those people were unarmed! If they were packing heat the death toll would be twice that at least.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Arsenal Steel ()
Date: September 22, 2013 08:58PM

Good Guyz Wrote:
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> Oh THATS right the good guys that obey our laws
> are not allowed to carry a gun in the Navy yard.
> Looks like anti gun laws kill again!


This is an open message to all criminals in our good county. You're on notice. Arsenal is here to clean up the streets, and I don't play by the rules. local crime bosses take notice, your days are numbered. you've got one chance to survive, and that's simple. You'll give me an 80% cut of your illicit activities, and you will work for Arsenal. Failure to do so will result in severe retaliation on my part, and my work is well known. Not many people know my origin, but I was exposed to chemicals that caused my meta gene to emerge, effectively rendering me superhuman. So go ahead, take your best shot. Fight a superhuman for your turf back, or relinquish it. I'm Arsenal Steel, and I'm the future of crime fighting in this county.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Logan Morerounds ()
Date: September 25, 2013 08:25PM

pea shooter Wrote:
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> Liberal Logic 28 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pea shooter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The "good" guy with a gun was the first to
> die
> > > then the bad guy took his gun and ammo. This
> > was
> > > real life and death, not some NRA nutjob's
> > > fantasy.
> >
> >
> > As opposed to the unarmed people who were shot
> > dead? What point do you think youre making?
>
>
> Thank god those people were unarmed! If they were
> packing heat the death toll would be twice that at
> least.


Bullshit!
More Guns equals more safety.
We need to teach our children how to use guns.
This is our only hope.

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: Guess What ()
Date: September 25, 2013 09:16PM

Logan Morerounds Wrote:
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> pea shooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liberal Logic 28 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > pea shooter Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The "good" guy with a gun was the first to
> > die
> > > > then the bad guy took his gun and ammo.
> This
> > > was
> > > > real life and death, not some NRA nutjob's
> > > > fantasy.
> > >
> > >
> > > As opposed to the unarmed people who were
> shot
> > > dead? What point do you think youre making?
> >
> >
> > Thank god those people were unarmed! If they
> were
> > packing heat the death toll would be twice that
> at
> > least.
>
>
> Bullshit!
> More Guns equals more safety.
> We need to teach our children how to use guns.
> This is our only hope.

Everyone dies when your number is up.
"Duh"

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Re: Where was the good guy with a gun?
Posted by: svennestle ()
Date: September 26, 2013 08:03PM

i don't think so.

civilian workers for the gov. can't be armed unless asked.

military personel carry whenever their superior asks

-----------------------------
the president presides over the military and also over house votes coming to the floor

i really doubt anyone saying congress made or could make micro decisions concerning military bases, closures due to funding aside (which is a major decision)

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