Yeah - I don't get this. Talk about painting a target on US troops - if we moved all the "high value" terrorists to Afghanistan and planned for future detainees to be sent there I don't see how this rationalizes closing Gitmo.

Bagram prison in Afghanistan may become the new Guantánamo
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7070460.ece

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The other alternative — of using a special prison in the US — is seen as less practical because the detainees would have to be put through the American justice system, and some of the suspects considered by the US as the most dangerous would be difficult to prosecute because of the lack of sufficient evidence. Congress would also oppose such a move.

Bagram currently houses about 800 detainees, including a small number of foreign fighters who were not arrested in Afghanistan. They were taken there under the Administration of George W. Bush.

The other complication for Mr Obama is that, under current plans, Bagram is to be handed over to the Afghan Government next year, so unless the US military retained control over one section of the prison — solely for suspects detained outside of Afghanistan — it is unlikely that the Government of President Karzai would approve of having responsibility for those detained by US special forces or the CIA in another part of the world.
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I thought the whole justification for closing Gitmo was the fact that we should not be indefinitely detaining people without legal representation or a trial. I don't see that moving them to Afghanistan is even close to achieving that goal.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yeah - I don't get this. Talk about painting a
> target on US troops - if we moved all the "high
> value" terrorists to Afghanistan and planned for
> future detainees to be sent there I don't see how
> this rationalizes closing Gitmo.
>
> Bagram prison in Afghanistan may become the new
> Guantánamo
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and
> _americas/article7070460.ece
>
> ...
> The other alternative — of using a special prison
> in the US — is seen as less practical because the
> detainees would have to be put through the
> American justice system, and some of the suspects
> considered by the US as the most dangerous would
> be difficult to prosecute because of the lack of
> sufficient evidence. Congress would also oppose
> such a move.
>
> Bagram currently houses about 800 detainees,
> including a small number of foreign fighters who
> were not arrested in Afghanistan. They were taken
> there under the Administration of George W. Bush.
>
> The other complication for Mr Obama is that, under
> current plans, Bagram is to be handed over to the
> Afghan Government next year, so unless the US
> military retained control over one section of the
> prison — solely for suspects detained outside of
> Afghanistan — it is unlikely that the Government
> of President Karzai would approve of having
> responsibility for those detained by US special
> forces or the CIA in another part of the world.
> ...
>
>
> I thought the whole justification for closing
> Gitmo was the fact that we should not be
> indefinitely detaining people without legal
> representation or a trial. I don't see that moving
> them to Afghanistan is even close to achieving
> that goal.


PRAISE SATAN

It would be an easier place for a jailbreak or martyr strike.Yemen wasn't able to hold their prisoners securely and there is a lot of mixed loyalties and sympathies in the region and probably among guards.

Hate to say, is bad as it is, Gitmo was a mighty fine idea. Even Obama seems to agree now too.

Hmmmm....keep them on a politically stable island nation that the world doesn't give a shit about, or ship them to a hotbed of inter-tribal warfare and Al Qaeda sympathies.

Makes sense!


Like Wingnut said, the guards wouldn't be trustworthy and there would be the constant threat of jailbreak.

Exactly - that is why I don't get it. I would say keep them in Gitmo and tell the world to shut the fuck up unless they want them (which they don't). All we need to do is promise military tribunals or some form of review within a year of capture and be dome with it. Instead we are contemplating shipping them someplace to make it easy for them to be broken out? Maybe we should put a tactical nuke under the prison and when they try for the breakout we set it off - although I would suggest making the prison even more isolated then.

It would be worth it for them to break in and have the outer doors lock down as they try to leave, with a large screen ticking down numbers from 10.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I'm sure they can send the lesser known prisoners to all these supposed black sites we have set up in Eastern Europe.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It would be worth it for them to break in and have
> the outer doors lock down as they try to leave,
> with a large screen ticking down numbers from 10.

+1 and the fact that they'd be under constant rocket and mortar attacks.
They would have to set up a perimeter for miles around to keep it relatively
safe and it would probably take at least a Brigade of Infantry to provide
security. I'd hate like Hell to be an MP assigned to a place like that.

Another politicised by the republicans to the point it is a big SNAFU. Though I only give Obama a D for how this has ben handled.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Another politicised by the republicans to the
> point it is a big SNAFU. Though I only give Obama
> a D for how this has ben handled.

The only one who politicized it was Obama. Now he is paying for that - as he argued against Gitmo while a Senator and now he is waffling once he gets put in the hot seat and has to make a Presidential decision on it. The SNAFU is on Obama.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Another politicised by the republicans to the
> point it is a big SNAFU. Though I only give Obama
> a D for how this has ben handled.

And I give you an "F" as in 4-F.

WingNut Wrote:
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> It would be an easier place for a jailbreak or
> martyr strike.Yemen wasn't able to hold their
> prisoners securely and there is a lot of mixed
> loyalties and sympathies in the region and
> probably among guards.
>
> Hate to say, is bad as it is, Gitmo was a mighty
> fine idea. Even Obama seems to agree now too.


That Yemen statement, is one heck of an understatement! I remember one time a terrorism suspect walked into court with two armed bodyguards (Both rocking AK-47's), allegedly for an arraignment. He told the judge to go to hell, and he walked right back out.


As for the Afghanistan prison, yeah, put the suspects there. Then, in a stroke of utter chaos, we can "accidentally" level the place in a bomb run.

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.Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> -----
> > Another politicised by the republicans to the
> > point it is a big SNAFU. Though I only give
> Obama
> > a D for how this has ben handled.
>
> And I give you an "F" as in 4-F.


Are you a cock sucker?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Another politicised by the republicans to the
> > > point it is a big SNAFU. Though I only give
> > Obama
> > > a D for how this has ben handled.
> >
> > And I give you an "F" as in 4-F.
>
>
> Are you a cock sucker?

No.

.Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Vince(1) Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Another politicised by the republicans to
> the
> > > > point it is a big SNAFU. Though I only
> give
> > > Obama
> > > > a D for how this has ben handled.
> > >
> > > And I give you an "F" as in 4-F.
> >
> >
> > Are you a cock sucker?
>
> No.


Well then..when did you stop sucking cock?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
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> > > Are you a cock sucker?
> >
> > No.
>
>
> Well then..when did you stop sucking cock?

Case in point ^^^^

Vince, get some help - the drugs aren't working. Maybe you should let your family know.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > > > Are you a cock sucker?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> >
> > Well then..when did you stop sucking cock?
>
> Case in point ^^^^
>
> Vince, get some help - the drugs aren't working.
> Maybe you should let your family know.


When you 3 stop with the ridiculous attacks..so will I..until then RV, get on your knees and suck baby...suck..good boy!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > Vince, get some help - the drugs aren't
> working.
> > Maybe you should let your family know.
>
>
> When you 3 stop with the ridiculous attacks..so
> will I..until then RV, get on your knees and suck
> baby...suck..good boy!

Hey V - you are under some impression you are "bothering" me. I am merely pointing out your issues - it is pretty clear who is "bothered". But you keep having fun with your fantasies, maybe that will help you get through the morning.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I could care less if I am bothering you..so just shut the fuck up and suck.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

maybe moving them to afghanistan is bait.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."