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crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 20, 2009 11:55PM
dirty hippies. >:(
yes, i've added my own commentary.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
yes, i've added my own commentary.
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Cancer battle pair flee US police
An alert has gone out to police forces across the US to search for a mother who fled with her cancer-stricken teenage son to avoid chemotherapy.
Colleen Hauser told a Minnesota judge she wished to treat her son Daniel's cancer with natural healing methods before she disappeared with him.
She failed to attend a court hearing on Tuesday after an x-ray showed Daniel, 13, had a tumour in his chest.
Doctors say he will probably die without conventional treatment.
He has been diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma, a highly curable form of cancer when treated with chemotherapy and radiation. <-- not if he's dead first
But he and his parents rejected chemotherapy after a single treatment, Colleen Hauser saying that putting toxic substances in his body violated the family's religious convictions.
Sheriff Rich Hoffmann in Brown County said that the boy's father, Anthony, was co-operating with investigators as an arrest warrant was issued for Mrs Hauser.
He was quoted by some US media outlets as saying the pair might be in California, heading for Mexico.
Court order
"I just wish we could get to Colleen and tell her to come in," said Sheriff Hoffmann.
"This is not going to go away. It's a court order."
Speaking at the family's farm near Sleepy Eye, a town of 3,500 about 80 miles (130km) from Minneapolis, Mr Hauser said his wife and son had left without telling him their plans, and that he had not heard from them.
He said he hoped his wife would either get their son treatment for his illness or would bring him home.
"If he's being cared for, and it's going to help him, I think it's going to be a good thing," he said, quoted by the Associated Press news agency.
Colleen Hauser said she had been treating the boy's cancer with herbal supplements, vitamins, ionised water and other natural alternatives. <-- oh come on, wtf?!
She earlier told a judge she wished to treat the disease with methods advocated by an American Indian religious group known as the Nemenhah Band. <-- yeah, sure worked with smallpox
The group's founder said Mrs Hauser had made a mistake by running away from the law.
Phillip Cloudpiler Landis, who calls himself the Band's principal medicine chief, said: "You don't solve anything by disregarding the order of the judge."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:01AM
They should have seen this first
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:09AM
Then there's this too. More religious crackpots that chose prayer over science to save their child.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/19/AR2009051901482.html?hpid=sec-religion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/19/AR2009051901482.html?hpid=sec-religion
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Furfur
()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:24AM
Hope they throw the mother in jail for reckless endangerment.
Seems like the Nemenhah Band is a scam itself...the leader of the cult has been accused of defrauding investors in some organic mushroom investment.
How do people get involved in these fringe groups anyway?
Seems like the Nemenhah Band is a scam itself...the leader of the cult has been accused of defrauding investors in some organic mushroom investment.
How do people get involved in these fringe groups anyway?
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 21, 2009 01:21AM
retards: read the article and you will notice it says nothing about prayer. man, you people are stupid.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Professor Pangloss
()
Date: May 21, 2009 08:16AM
This is why skepticism and critical thinking need to be taught in school - as early as possible. With a critical examination of the empirical evidence, it's obvious that these 'natural' cures are simply snake oil.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: May 21, 2009 08:19AM
I worked at a place in Michigan a long time ago that was owned by a so called preacher. One of his workers/followers got bone cancer in his leg and they told him if he preyed enough he would not need medical treatment.
After several months his leg had to be amputated and they kicked him out of church for not believing.
After several months his leg had to be amputated and they kicked him out of church for not believing.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Junes
()
Date: May 21, 2009 08:36AM
I have mixed feelings about this after watching friends who subjected their children to chemo, radiation and surgeries in hopes the doctors were right that the cancer could be cured with "modern treatment."
One child survived, but two others did not. The children were quite literally tortured by the treatment. Ironically, the younger the child the more resilient they are.
This is is a horrible thing for any parent to face. Throughout the treatment, I've never seen such incredibly brave children, or pained and devastated parents. Even if the first round is successful, there is the constant fear of recurrence.
Holistic medicine may not be the choice of many, but at the same time some of the "modern" cancer treatments in the US are barbaric and run a close second to death.
Parents should have the right to chose medical options for their children, even if the choice is not shared by others. Judges and the court system can not be held liable if forced "traditional" treatment fails, yet parents are found negligent if they opt for an alternative treatment.
Judges and the court system would serve the public better if they "forced" traditional treatment for people who WANT the treatment but can't afford it. Are their lives of any greater or lesser significance than this boy?
One child survived, but two others did not. The children were quite literally tortured by the treatment. Ironically, the younger the child the more resilient they are.
This is is a horrible thing for any parent to face. Throughout the treatment, I've never seen such incredibly brave children, or pained and devastated parents. Even if the first round is successful, there is the constant fear of recurrence.
Holistic medicine may not be the choice of many, but at the same time some of the "modern" cancer treatments in the US are barbaric and run a close second to death.
Parents should have the right to chose medical options for their children, even if the choice is not shared by others. Judges and the court system can not be held liable if forced "traditional" treatment fails, yet parents are found negligent if they opt for an alternative treatment.
Judges and the court system would serve the public better if they "forced" traditional treatment for people who WANT the treatment but can't afford it. Are their lives of any greater or lesser significance than this boy?
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
pgens
()
Date: May 21, 2009 08:48AM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> > they told him if he preyed enough he would not
> need medical treatment.
Prey on what/who?
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> > they told him if he preyed enough he would not
> need medical treatment.
Prey on what/who?
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 21, 2009 09:09AM
I think each case has to be evaluated individually. I do not think a parent has literal life and death control over a child..so it is proper and necessar in some cases for the medical and judicial systems to intervene to save a child from his/her parent's ignorance.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
fairfaxdude
()
Date: May 21, 2009 09:22AM
Gravis Wrote:
> Colleen Hauser said she had been treating the
> boy's cancer with herbal supplements, vitamins,
> ionised water and other natural alternatives.
I have a bit of ionised water before logging in to FFXU. It seems to help.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
> Colleen Hauser said she had been treating the
> boy's cancer with herbal supplements, vitamins,
> ionised water and other natural alternatives.
I have a bit of ionised water before logging in to FFXU. It seems to help.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: May 21, 2009 09:40AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I think each case has to be evaluated
> individually. I do not think a parent has literal
> life and death control over a child..so it is
> proper and necessar in some cases for the medical
> and judicial systems to intervene to save a child
> from his/her parent's ignorance.
This is not conducive to your pro-choice stance.
If the child is being beaten or raped, then yes, I think it's appropriate for the government to help the child.
However, this instance is more about a family's choice based on their beliefs. I think it's fucking stupid and I feel bad for the kid, but if I want my rights and beliefs and choices respected, I need to respect those of others. No matter how retarded or misguided they may be.
Let the family do what they want, and let the family deal with the consequences.
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> I think each case has to be evaluated
> individually. I do not think a parent has literal
> life and death control over a child..so it is
> proper and necessar in some cases for the medical
> and judicial systems to intervene to save a child
> from his/her parent's ignorance.
This is not conducive to your pro-choice stance.
If the child is being beaten or raped, then yes, I think it's appropriate for the government to help the child.
However, this instance is more about a family's choice based on their beliefs. I think it's fucking stupid and I feel bad for the kid, but if I want my rights and beliefs and choices respected, I need to respect those of others. No matter how retarded or misguided they may be.
Let the family do what they want, and let the family deal with the consequences.
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Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Predator Obama
()
Date: May 21, 2009 10:27AM
pgens Wrote:
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> graymoose1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > they told him if he preyed enough he would
> not
> > need medical treatment.
>
> Prey on what/who?
We should Prey on Vince the most dangerous game of all.
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> graymoose1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > they told him if he preyed enough he would
> not
> > need medical treatment.
>
> Prey on what/who?
We should Prey on Vince the most dangerous game of all.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: May 21, 2009 10:33AM
Gravis Wrote:
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> retards: read the article and you will notice it
> says nothing about prayer. man, you people are
> stupid.
Colleen Hauser saying that putting toxic substances in his body violated the family's religious convictions.
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> retards: read the article and you will notice it
> says nothing about prayer. man, you people are
> stupid.
Colleen Hauser saying that putting toxic substances in his body violated the family's religious convictions.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 21, 2009 10:38AM
Numbers Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > retards: read the article and you will notice it
> > says nothing about prayer. man, you people are
> > stupid.
>
> Colleen Hauser saying that putting toxic
> substances in his body violated the family's
> religious convictions.
religion != God exists/pray to God/a god.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > retards: read the article and you will notice it
> > says nothing about prayer. man, you people are
> > stupid.
>
> Colleen Hauser saying that putting toxic
> substances in his body violated the family's
> religious convictions.
religion != God exists/pray to God/a god.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:46PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think each case has to be evaluated
> > individually. I do not think a parent has
> literal
> > life and death control over a child..so it is
> > proper and necessar in some cases for the
> medical
> > and judicial systems to intervene to save a
> child
> > from his/her parent's ignorance.
>
> This is not conducive to your pro-choice stance.
>
>
> If the child is being beaten or raped, then yes, I
> think it's appropriate for the government to help
> the child.
>
> However, this instance is more about a family's
> choice based on their beliefs. I think it's
> fucking stupid and I feel bad for the kid, but if
> I want my rights and beliefs and choices
> respected, I need to respect those of others. No
> matter how retarded or misguided they may be.
>
> Let the family do what they want, and let the
> family deal with the consequences.
There is no inconsistency in my beliefs...I do not believe an unborn child is protected under the Constitution of the US until it can sustain itself outside the womb unassisted. This child can do that. We do not condone cruelty to children...withholding needed medical care is cruelty.
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think each case has to be evaluated
> > individually. I do not think a parent has
> literal
> > life and death control over a child..so it is
> > proper and necessar in some cases for the
> medical
> > and judicial systems to intervene to save a
> child
> > from his/her parent's ignorance.
>
> This is not conducive to your pro-choice stance.
>
>
> If the child is being beaten or raped, then yes, I
> think it's appropriate for the government to help
> the child.
>
> However, this instance is more about a family's
> choice based on their beliefs. I think it's
> fucking stupid and I feel bad for the kid, but if
> I want my rights and beliefs and choices
> respected, I need to respect those of others. No
> matter how retarded or misguided they may be.
>
> Let the family do what they want, and let the
> family deal with the consequences.
There is no inconsistency in my beliefs...I do not believe an unborn child is protected under the Constitution of the US until it can sustain itself outside the womb unassisted. This child can do that. We do not condone cruelty to children...withholding needed medical care is cruelty.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:52PM
This child can't sustain himself unassisted. The question the parents have is the best way to assist him, and they're making what they feel is the right choice. Whether or not we agree with it, we should still respect their decision.
See also: Terry Schaivo.
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See also: Terry Schaivo.
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Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 21, 2009 01:01PM
Terry Schavio was brain dead...and couldnt feed herself..totally un-self sustainable.
Hey...and I have absollutely no problem respecting the beliefs of adults when they make decisions about their well being...however, under 18..at times..society must step in.
Hey...and I have absollutely no problem respecting the beliefs of adults when they make decisions about their well being...however, under 18..at times..society must step in.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: May 21, 2009 01:04PM
I had a Baptist mother-in-law who said my sickness at the time was brought on for not being a better Christian. Her husband was a Southern Baptist preacher who completed his studies at Wake Forest and she was a teacher. Crazy to say the least.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2009 04:04PM by spunky.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2009 04:04PM by spunky.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Furfur
()
Date: May 21, 2009 01:16PM
spunky Wrote:
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> I had a Baptist mother-in-law who said my sickness
> at the time was brought on for not being a better
> Christian. Her husband was a Southern Baptist
> preacher who completed his studies at Wake Forest
> and she was a teacher. Crazy to say the less.
Maybe your peyote would have cured "your sickness."
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> I had a Baptist mother-in-law who said my sickness
> at the time was brought on for not being a better
> Christian. Her husband was a Southern Baptist
> preacher who completed his studies at Wake Forest
> and she was a teacher. Crazy to say the less.
Maybe your peyote would have cured "your sickness."
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: May 21, 2009 01:17PM
But this isn't being done with any cruel intent. They're doing what they truly think is best. The government should not be dictating the choices people make about their health.
Again, you seem to have no understanding of the ramifications of these seemingly innocuous cases; if the government is able to dictate the medical treatments of citizens, especially with regards to children, it makes it much easier to push the pro-life agenda.
For example, "In So-and-so vs. some dumbass hippie family, it was decided that the child was unfit to make decisions regarding his health, and the courts did not agree with the parent's choice, imposing their own orders for proper medical treatment. We, the pro-lifers, submit that unborn children are unfit to make decisions, and the parent's choice to get an abortion is not in the best interest of their unborn child, and blah blah blah legalese."
It's the slippery slope; rights and freedoms are not taken away all at once, they are slowly eroded until you wake up one day and say, "What the fuck happened?"
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Again, you seem to have no understanding of the ramifications of these seemingly innocuous cases; if the government is able to dictate the medical treatments of citizens, especially with regards to children, it makes it much easier to push the pro-life agenda.
For example, "In So-and-so vs. some dumbass hippie family, it was decided that the child was unfit to make decisions regarding his health, and the courts did not agree with the parent's choice, imposing their own orders for proper medical treatment. We, the pro-lifers, submit that unborn children are unfit to make decisions, and the parent's choice to get an abortion is not in the best interest of their unborn child, and blah blah blah legalese."
It's the slippery slope; rights and freedoms are not taken away all at once, they are slowly eroded until you wake up one day and say, "What the fuck happened?"
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 21, 2009 03:52PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> But this isn't being done with any cruel intent.
> They're doing what they truly think is best. The
> government should not be dictating the choices
> people make about their health.
>
> Again, you seem to have no understanding of the
> ramifications of these seemingly innocuous cases;
> if the government is able to dictate the medical
> treatments of citizens, especially with regards to
> children, it makes it much easier to push the
> pro-life agenda.
>
> For example, "In So-and-so vs. some dumbass hippie
> family, it was decided that the child was unfit to
> make decisions regarding his health, and the
> courts did not agree with the parent's choice,
> imposing their own orders for proper medical
> treatment. We, the pro-lifers, submit that unborn
> children are unfit to make decisions, and the
> parent's choice to get an abortion is not in the
> best interest of their unborn child, and blah blah
> blah legalese."
>
> It's the slippery slope; rights and freedoms are
> not taken away all at once, they are slowly eroded
> until you wake up one day and say, "What the fuck
> happened?"
Yes it is...but the Patriot Act...and other policies of the Bush Administration which Obama seems to be approving are a much greater threat. At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to live.
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> But this isn't being done with any cruel intent.
> They're doing what they truly think is best. The
> government should not be dictating the choices
> people make about their health.
>
> Again, you seem to have no understanding of the
> ramifications of these seemingly innocuous cases;
> if the government is able to dictate the medical
> treatments of citizens, especially with regards to
> children, it makes it much easier to push the
> pro-life agenda.
>
> For example, "In So-and-so vs. some dumbass hippie
> family, it was decided that the child was unfit to
> make decisions regarding his health, and the
> courts did not agree with the parent's choice,
> imposing their own orders for proper medical
> treatment. We, the pro-lifers, submit that unborn
> children are unfit to make decisions, and the
> parent's choice to get an abortion is not in the
> best interest of their unborn child, and blah blah
> blah legalese."
>
> It's the slippery slope; rights and freedoms are
> not taken away all at once, they are slowly eroded
> until you wake up one day and say, "What the fuck
> happened?"
Yes it is...but the Patriot Act...and other policies of the Bush Administration which Obama seems to be approving are a much greater threat. At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to live.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
spunky
()
Date: May 21, 2009 04:08PM
Furfur Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I had a Baptist mother-in-law who said my
> sickness
> > at the time was brought on for not being a
> better
> > Christian. Her husband was a Southern Baptist
> > preacher who completed his studies at Wake
> Forest
> > and she was a teacher. Crazy to say the less.
>
>
>
> Maybe your peyote would have cured "your
> sickness."
No, I had neuromas (?) in my feet that felt like knives cutting in my feet every time I walked. Surgery removed the calluses from my veins between my toes and I was better.
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I had a Baptist mother-in-law who said my
> sickness
> > at the time was brought on for not being a
> better
> > Christian. Her husband was a Southern Baptist
> > preacher who completed his studies at Wake
> Forest
> > and she was a teacher. Crazy to say the less.
>
>
>
> Maybe your peyote would have cured "your
> sickness."
No, I had neuromas (?) in my feet that felt like knives cutting in my feet every time I walked. Surgery removed the calluses from my veins between my toes and I was better.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: May 21, 2009 04:18PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Yes it is...but the Patriot Act...and other
> policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
> seems to be approving are a much greater threat.
> At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to
> live.
Well, it was fun discussing things with you rationally for the whole thirty minutes you were able to keep it together.
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> Yes it is...but the Patriot Act...and other
> policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
> seems to be approving are a much greater threat.
> At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to
> live.
Well, it was fun discussing things with you rationally for the whole thirty minutes you were able to keep it together.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
fairfaxdude
()
Date: May 21, 2009 05:00PM
spunky Wrote:
> Surgery removed the calluses from my veins between
> my toes and I was better.
Veins get calluses? Who knew?
Thank God for FFXU; medical info to live by.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
> Surgery removed the calluses from my veins between
> my toes and I was better.
Veins get calluses? Who knew?
Thank God for FFXU; medical info to live by.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 21, 2009 07:07PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Yes it is...but the Patriot Act...and other
> policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
> seems to be approving are a much greater threat.
> At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to
> live.
excuse me, did you just bring in the bush administration and obama into a thread? seriously, you have to learn to let go!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Yes it is...but the Patriot Act...and other
> policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
> seems to be approving are a much greater threat.
> At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to
> live.
excuse me, did you just bring in the bush administration and obama into a thread? seriously, you have to learn to let go!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 21, 2009 07:25PM
Dear Grivis and McPissedOn...
I dont think I was the first one to make the case of a poor boy needing medical attention a case of diminshed freedom...
It's the slippery slope; rights and freedoms are
> not taken away all at once, they are slowly eroded
> until you wake up one day and say, "What the fuck
> happened?"
I restate my case...the boys health is more important then any slippery slope that we already on.
I dont think I was the first one to make the case of a poor boy needing medical attention a case of diminshed freedom...
It's the slippery slope; rights and freedoms are
> not taken away all at once, they are slowly eroded
> until you wake up one day and say, "What the fuck
> happened?"
I restate my case...the boys health is more important then any slippery slope that we already on.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: May 21, 2009 07:52PM
No, it's not. Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the few.
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Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 21, 2009 08:00PM
vince,
why you have grouped my comment with MrMephisto's, i dont know. i was pointing out that you keep bringing the bush administration into every issue when it's not even remotely related.
get a grip.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
why you have grouped my comment with MrMephisto's, i dont know. i was pointing out that you keep bringing the bush administration into every issue when it's not even remotely related.
get a grip.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: May 21, 2009 08:09PM
Thank you Mr. Spock
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose! new
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 21, 2009 07:52PM
No, it's not. Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the few.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose! new
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 21, 2009 07:52PM
No, it's not. Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the few.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 21, 2009 08:59PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> vince,
> why you have grouped my comment
> with MrMephisto's, i dont know. i was pointing
> out that you keep bringing the bush administration
> into every issue when it's not even remotely
> related.
>
> get a grip.
But it is related to the attempt by McPissedOn's attempt to try ane wrap this boy kids medical condition around some bigger issues leading to the demise of all our freedoms.
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> vince,
> why you have grouped my comment
> with MrMephisto's, i dont know. i was pointing
> out that you keep bringing the bush administration
> into every issue when it's not even remotely
> related.
>
> get a grip.
But it is related to the attempt by McPissedOn's attempt to try ane wrap this boy kids medical condition around some bigger issues leading to the demise of all our freedoms.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 21, 2009 09:01PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> No, it's not. Sometimes the needs of the many
> outweigh the few.
Spoken as a true communist beuraeucrat!
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> No, it's not. Sometimes the needs of the many
> outweigh the few.
Spoken as a true communist beuraeucrat!
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: May 21, 2009 09:31PM
graymoose1 Wrote:
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> No, it's not. Sometimes the needs of the many
> outweigh the few.
or the one.
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> No, it's not. Sometimes the needs of the many
> outweigh the few.
or the one.
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 22, 2009 03:24AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > For example, "In So-and-so vs. some dumbass hippie
> > family, it was decided that the child was unfit to
> > make decisions regarding his health, and the
> > courts did not agree with the parent's choice,
> > imposing their own orders for proper medical
> > treatment. We, the pro-lifers, submit that unborn
> > children are unfit to make decisions, and the
> > parent's choice to get an abortion is not in the
> > best interest of their unborn child, and blah blah
> > blah legalese."
>
> the Patriot Act...and other
> policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
> seems to be approving are a much greater threat.
> At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to
> live.
you are using the bush administration and obama as a red herring.
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > vince,
> > why you have grouped my comment
> > with MrMephisto's, i dont know. i was pointing
> > out that you keep bringing the bush administration
> > into every issue when it's not even remotely
> > related.
> >
> > get a grip.
>
>
> But it is related to the attempt by McPissedOn's
> attempt to try ane wrap this boy kids medical
> condition around some bigger issues leading to the
> demise of all our freedoms.
incorrect.
Vince(1) Wrote:
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...
> the Patriot Act...and other policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
...
the patriot act which was passed by who? if you said the bush administration, you are retarded. the bush administration is in the executive branch while congress is in the legislative branch.
please learn more about the government's structure instead of posting bullshit.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2009 03:38AM by Gravis.
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > For example, "In So-and-so vs. some dumbass hippie
> > family, it was decided that the child was unfit to
> > make decisions regarding his health, and the
> > courts did not agree with the parent's choice,
> > imposing their own orders for proper medical
> > treatment. We, the pro-lifers, submit that unborn
> > children are unfit to make decisions, and the
> > parent's choice to get an abortion is not in the
> > best interest of their unborn child, and blah blah
> > blah legalese."
>
> the Patriot Act...and other
> policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
> seems to be approving are a much greater threat.
> At least with this "threat" maybe a kid gets to
> live.
you are using the bush administration and obama as a red herring.
Quote
Red herring.
This means exactly what you think it means: introducing irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question at hand.
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > vince,
> > why you have grouped my comment
> > with MrMephisto's, i dont know. i was pointing
> > out that you keep bringing the bush administration
> > into every issue when it's not even remotely
> > related.
> >
> > get a grip.
>
>
> But it is related to the attempt by McPissedOn's
> attempt to try ane wrap this boy kids medical
> condition around some bigger issues leading to the
> demise of all our freedoms.
incorrect.
Vince(1) Wrote:
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...
> the Patriot Act...and other policies of the Bush Administration which Obama
...
the patriot act which was passed by who? if you said the bush administration, you are retarded. the bush administration is in the executive branch while congress is in the legislative branch.
please learn more about the government's structure instead of posting bullshit.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2009 03:38AM by Gravis.
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Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:18AM
Gravis..you have always lacked an ability to grasp the big picture and to draw every conversation into the irrelevant....keep it up!
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:28AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Gravis..you have always lacked an ability to grasp
> the big picture and to draw every conversation
> into the irrelevant....keep it up!
then tell me, what is the "the big picture" that means you should blame the executive branch for what the legislative branch does?
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Gravis..you have always lacked an ability to grasp
> the big picture and to draw every conversation
> into the irrelevant....keep it up!
then tell me, what is the "the big picture" that means you should blame the executive branch for what the legislative branch does?
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: crazy "natural" medicine mother on the loose!
Posted by:
Junes
()
Date: May 22, 2009 10:05AM
Liberty's Kids is an animated series on DVD explaining the "Making of the Nation" targeting kids 8-14.
I bet even Vince would understand the content, and who knows, after watching the series, he might even have the "ability to grasp the big picture."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2009 10:05AM by Junes.
I bet even Vince would understand the content, and who knows, after watching the series, he might even have the "ability to grasp the big picture."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2009 10:05AM by Junes.