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Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 17, 2008 09:25PM

It seems our dear Sarah admires a self professed racist (Westwood Pegler) sufficiently enough to quote him in her acceptance speech. While some of the republican dregs on here will undoubtedly try to paint a softer picture of Mr Pegler...he is was commie baiter of the worse degree. Dear Sarah must be very proud of herself.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 17, 2008 09:44PM

An interesting link to the mobster Pegler put away...seems he may have ended up close to Barry Goldwater and the Arizona Republican Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morris_Bioff

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: YhJ4x ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:10PM

All those people who quote slave owners like Thomas Jefferson & George Washington should be equally ashamed.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:26PM

Pegler looks like he was a twit. But what she said was true - just because he said it many years ago doesn't make the statement wrong. Remember how everyone pointed out that the speech was written by Matthew Scully... I guess the question would be who put the line in.

Actually he sounds a lot like someone from MSNBC:

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After the war, Pegler started off as a sports columnist, but later wrote general interest articles.

Lol

Man, you sure are reaching today to find obscure references. Maybe you should read Obama's Blueprint for Change and make sure you agree with all of his stated policies...

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:26PM

Are you saying Mr Pegler is of the same calliber of a founding father? If you wish to drag the likes of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson into the same sentence as a man openly calling for the asasination of presidents...the inequality of blacks...go right ahead...I will not! Sleep tight republikan dreg!



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:31PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Pegler looks like he was a twit. But what she said
> was true - just because he said it many years ago
> doesn't make the statement wrong. Remember how
> everyone pointed out that the speech was written
> by Matthew Scully... I guess the question would be
> who put the line in.
>
> Actually he sounds a lot like someone from MSNBC:
>
>
> After the war, Pegler started off as a sports
> columnist, but later wrote general interest
> articles.
>
>
> Lol
>
> Man, you sure are reaching today to find obscure
> references. Maybe you should read Obama's
> Blueprint for Change and make sure you agree with
> all of his stated policies...


Goodnight republikan dreg...you too wish to ignore the obvious for the sake of winning. A women who intentioanlly uses the words of a racist..a commie baiter...a proponent of assasinaintng presidents...and you defend her! You are what are....a dreg!

P.S. I dont agree with what anyone espouses 100%...including Obama...that kind of loyalty is reserved for the likes of dogmatic idiots like yourself who evidently feel the need to defend the person you hope to be the next president of the US...Sarah Palin!



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:32PM

You might want to remove that big L from your forehead when you go to sleep, you might hurt yourself.

Hope your nightmares don't keep you awake... :)

(since we are throwing insults around and all)

Try not to ignore the obvious in front of you so much when dealing with Obama's policy and record - that is of more current importance than some obscure quote from a guy that has been dead for 40+ years.



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: k7YP4 ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:35PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Are you saying Mr Pegler is of the same calliber
> of a founding father?

I certainly didn't say that. In fact, looking back at the thread, it looks like you were the only one who said that. I don't even know who this Pegler guy is that you seem to be a fan of.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:37PM

k7YP4 Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Are you saying Mr Pegler is of the same
> calliber
> > of a founding father?
>
> I certainly didn't say that. In fact, looking back
> at the thread, it looks like you were the only one
> who said that. I don't even know who this Pegler
> guy is that you seem to be a fan of.


What a weak comeback you dreg!

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:38PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> You might want to remove that big L from your
> forehead when you go to sleep, you might hurt
> yourself.
>
> Hope your nightmares don't keep you awake... :)
>
> (since we are throwing insults around and all)
>
> Try not to ignore the obvious in front of you so
> much when dealing with Obama's policy and record -
> that is of more current importance than some
> obscure quote from a guy that has been dead for
> 40+ years.


a guy dead for 40 years..that Palin chose to quote in her acceptance speech for President...must certainly mean a lot to her....and her followers! All this talk about who Obama attended meetings with years ago...and here she is quoting a racist in her ACCEPTANCE SPEECH..imagine the furor of Obama made one reference to the the radicals he's just been in the same room with! What a joke you are RV....a liar...a fake...a republikan!



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:40PM

Conspiracy theories abound. The person that put forth that it meant something other than what she was trying to impart was reaching too. You guys and all this talking down of small towns, and Alaska...



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: k7YP4 ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:41PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> k7YP4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----

> What a weak comeback you dreg!

Come on Vince(1)! This Pegler guy doesn't even seem to have a wikipedia article. BTW, I stopped voting years ago. It's a scam.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:42PM

Actually if you look, Pegler's entry has had some massive alterations done to it in the last 3 days.

Interesting...

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: k7YP4 ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:48PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> It seems our dear Sarah admires a self professed
> racist (Westwood Pegler) sufficiently enough to

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler


Oh...the Westwood part threw me off. Ok. Yeah that is a bit creepy that she quoted this unknown guy. "clearly the bounden duty of all intelligent Americans to proclaim and practice bigotry"

we need a cite on that. CReeeeepy

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:51PM

Actually if you check the history on it, you will see the reference to expressing regret the Roosevelt wasn't assassinated was added on September 10th or 11th. The Wiki had been created a while ago. All these recent interesting tidbits have appeared since the speech. And with Wiki, anyone can modify those entries...

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: k7YP4 ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:53PM

I wonder if Pat Buchanan's book "Right From the Beginning" correctly cited the original author. If not, she could have thought (or the speech writer thought) that she was quoting Buchanan.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:57PM

The more I look into the recent revisions, the more it seems to have been "enhanced" recently. In the discussion section you can see where it is noted that references for most of what was cited there come from shoddy references. Also someone revised it to say he was fascist, when one of the well documented parts of his life shows he was very anti-fascism.

All in all a fairly suspect attempt at making a mountain out of a pimple.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: k7YP4 ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:58PM

He was quite dapper
Attachments:
pegler.jpg

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 10:58PM

Joe Biden? :)

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 11:07PM

The thread title is wrong also - I assume you got that from the bog you pulled this from. She didn't have a quote from Bircher. Pegler did write for the Bircher Society from time to time. Supposedly. Due to the highly suspect editings of the wiki entry over the last 7 days...

Always good to be clear on things.



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Joe Bite'n ()
Date: September 18, 2008 01:58AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Joe Biden? :)

RV, will you please learn to spell my name correctly?

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 18, 2008 07:20AM

Let's be clear on things..she used a quote from commie-bater...jew hating....racist...supporter of assinating presidents in her acceptance speech. And one has to wonder why. If you dont think there was an audience that recognized the quote and took from meaning from it...well, you are then a republikan dreg. Oh yeah..I forgot..you are!

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Rod ()
Date: September 18, 2008 07:45AM

Let's get our definitions straight. The John Birch Society is not involved in racism. It might be instead called anti communist or anti elitist since it is elitist organizations which seek to promote communism or socialism. There are racist organizations such as maybe "Arian Brotherhood" or skinheads or the KKK. But but the John Birch Society is not primarily racist it's anti communist and patriotic. It is often controversial. You might not agree with them. But they are not primarily racist.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Rod ()
Date: September 18, 2008 07:47AM

Nor are they involved in anti-semitism

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 18, 2008 09:06AM

The John Birch Society is a threat to the American tradition of diversity and civil rights. They have "softened" their positions over time...become more sophisticated...but they are commie-baiting...minority hating bigots!

You want more references on your hero Westwood Pegler...here they are..sounds like a great amerikan...someone you republikans can try to emualte!

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2008/09/13/palin-and-pegler.aspx

http://www.slate.com/id/2096673/



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 10:12AM

You still can't admit you got the title of the thread wrong though. Sounds like Obama saying the surge succeeded beyond everyone's expectation. Yet he can't admit he was wrong in saying the surge would fail.

:)

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 18, 2008 12:08PM

As if the issue is whether I titled the thread correctly or not! This is so hard for you republikans..staying on the issue..the issue is why is the VP nominated by the republikan party (and probably the next president after McSame fades into dimentia)...siting line and verse portions of a red baiting... homophobic...assassin supporting...jew hating author from 40 years ago?

What was the point? What was the cryptic message? Who was the cryptic message meant to inform?

This isnt a thread about the surge..you want to discuss that...start your own thread...please concentrate..stay on topic you republikan dreg!



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 12:54PM

Its the whole cryptic message part that obviously has you confused.

Do you still believe JFK was killed by a secret cabal and that Oswald was just a patsy? Get my point?

There is no secret code in anything she said, other than she comes from a small town and is proud of it. Anyone could make that statement, and the fact that some obscure anti-fascist made the comment years ago doesn't mean she meant anything by it other than taking a quote she liked and using it. Or that the writer of the speech did. We don't know who put the line in, or if it meant anything other than what it said.

You know, right now the only ones talking about "secret codes" are the dems. Much like saying "community organizer" is a racist code.

When did you start taking those paranoia drugs btw? It seems you need to get a new prescription.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 18, 2008 01:08PM

Once again you stray from the topic...the phrase has been used more then once by right wing politicians as a rallying call to contrast themselves against those "city folk" who just dont get what amerika is all about. Code word translation..."small town folk" = white people..and the pinker the better..."city folk"..blacks, jews, muslims and anyone else who isnt part of white amerika.

Ok..I broke the code for you! Nope dont beleive in Kennedy conspiracies...but I do beleive the republikan party does cater to the white supremist..khristian luvin..bible thumping...you are going to hell..while we sit up here in Alaska and are whisked into heaven crowd! The reference was to the elitist (meaning educated) part of the republikan party.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 01:45PM

Right, and who was it in the Senate that was a staunch KKK member?...

The dems have done a great job of roping in the black vote by making many of them dependent on the government. It is amazing how folks will vote for their cash cow. The Federal Government is the ultimate lobbyist, paying billions in hand-outs to ensure that folks will still vote for them (the ones that keep ensuring that money goes out). So please - lets make sure we put the shoe where it fits on that issue.

You know what I think is truly sad about this election - all the democrats out there pushing this "love the black man" routine, and when they get in the voting booth, how many of them are going to push the other button. That is the sad part.

I would gladly have voted for Colin Powell or Condi Rice for President. But they choose not to run because they didn't want (themselves and their families) to get turned into punching bags by the press. I can totally understand their reasons. But I still wish they would have run.

Again - I am not straying from the topic - You stated that Palin quoted Bircher

See:

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Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech

Here's an interesting note on Pegler:
http://www.historycooperative.org/cgi-bin/justtop.cgi?act=justtop&url=http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jah/92.2/witwer.html

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In late December 1941, the editors of Time announced, "Reader nominations for Time's Man of the Year are now closed. Latest tabulations showed President Roosevelt in front, Comrade Stalin second and Columnist Westbrook Pegler third." For those who still remember him, such an indication of Pegler's prominence might seem surprising. A self-described "professional dissenter," he built a journalistic career that stretched from the 1920s to the early 1960s by taking iconoclastic stands. In the 1950s and 1960s, as his conservative views became more extreme and his writing increasingly shrill, he earned the tag of "the stuck whistle of journalism." He denounced the civil rights movement, embraced anti-Semitism, and in the early 1960s wrote for the John Birch Society—until he proved too cantankerous for even its members. Those later years make it easy to fall into the mistake of dismissing him, but in 1941, as Time magazine's readers made clear, Pegler's long slide into decline remained in the future.
In the late 1930s and early 1940s, Pegler commanded respect and wielded great influence, a fact acknowledged by his friends and enemies alike. In an age when Americans were devoted readers, newspaper columnists exercised the kind of influence later reserved for radio shock jocks and television news shows. In a field of influential columnists in the 1930s and 1940s, Pegler stood out. In 1941 he became the first columnist ever to win a Pulitzer Prize for reporting. A year earlier the Saturday Evening Post described him as "undoubtedly one of the leading individual editorial forces in the country." A survey of five hundred editors of daily newspapers, conducted by the University of Wisconsin School of Journalism in 1942, ranked him the nation's "best adult columnist." In the early 1940s his columns went out six days a week to 174 newspapers that reached an estimated 10 million subscribers.
A 1942 article by George P. West in the liberal journal the New Republic referred to Pegler's widespread influence by asserting sadly, "What we are up against is the Westbrook Pegler mind." West blamed Pegler for "giving greater aid and comfort to our domestic fascists than any other one man in the United States." But in the same article, West wrote that "in spite of the exasperation and disgust that his column often inspires when he either shows a perverse failure to see straight or hits below the belt in true guttersnipe fashion," he still considered Pegler "my favorite reactionary." He meant that as more than faint praise. "Pegler is an artist, a man of great courage, a hater of tyranny," West explained, "and he calls the shots as he sees them."
...

Hmm. Like I said, Wikipedia is considered highly suspect...

It seems in his early years, much of his writing was considered very good. In his later years he seems to have been taking a much harsher tone. Be interesting to see when the quote that was attributed to him was written.

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 18, 2008 04:32PM

Taking his entire career....the man was a racist..commie-bater...jew hater...assassin supporting...john birch supporting hate monger. Dividing his career into early and late stages is nothing more then an attempt to confuse the facts! Im sure you could take Adolf Hitler's life and divide it up into his kindler gentler years as an artist...but it doesn't mean anything!

Why is the republikan party fascinated by this man to the point they would quote..actually plagerise him..in a speech? Is it his racists remarks..is it commie-bating..is it his assasin supporting..is it his hate? Can you tell me Mr RV?

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 04:44PM

Who says anyone is fascinated with him other than you?

I didn't even know the guy until you brought it up here. All I have attempted to do is find more out about him and. So I guess the code was lost on me.

I guess you missed that part.

Don't let your rabid Obama worship blind you too much...

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 18, 2008 06:13PM

Whoever included his small town "wisdom" into Palins speech is certainly obsessed by him. Otherwise none of us would have heard about him...and we wouldnt have missed any of his republikan wisdom.



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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 20, 2008 01:06PM

Sarah's "smalltown" message..designed to seperate white from black, sadly appears to be working!

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race;_ylt=AoPM2aWrkxHJNN9J5wKBV72s0NUE

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Re: Palin Quotes Racist John Bircher in her Acceptance Speech
Date: September 20, 2008 02:50PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Sarah's "smalltown" message..designed to seperate
> white from black, sadly appears to be working!
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political
> -pulse-obama-race;_ylt=AoPM2aWrkxHJNN9J5wKBV72s0NU
> E

I saw that. However, do these voters view Barack Obama as the typical black person? I've known plenty of people throughout my wife who don't like blacks in general but have very good friends who are black. I think Obama has been appealing to that part of human behavior.

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