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117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Lopter ()
Date: September 15, 2008 05:36PM

http://www.bnet.com/2407-13071_23-217964.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of troubled U.S. banks rose 30 percent to 117 in the second quarter, the highest level in five years, and a top regulator warned that conditions will worsen as the housing slump and credit crisis continues to pound profitability.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corp (FDIC) Chairman Sheila Bair said on Tuesday she expects more banks to join the agency's watchlist of problem banks, which tallies institutions with financial, operational or managerial weaknesses that threaten their financial viability.

"We don't think the credit cycle has bottomed out yet," Bair told a quarterly news conference, adding that U.S. banks will not return to high levels of earnings anytime soon.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Funding ()
Date: September 15, 2008 06:55PM

She didn't mention that the FDIC is only one more bank failure away from depleting their reserves. Adds much anxiety to the portfolio liquidators who moved to cash positions to stop the bleeding.

Wachovia is next.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 15, 2008 10:35PM

there's a good chance...thanks again to the republikans...that this country has turned the corner to a lower life style. Vote for Palin for president and you'll seal your future!

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Moosey ()
Date: September 17, 2008 01:08AM

Good one
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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 05:59PM

Hmm, bills that never got passed....

The house passed this last year (under Dem control) and yet..
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1427

It has been in a Senate committee since March of last year...
http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Legislation.Detail&Legislation_id=423a60a9-c13e-4777-b036-14f3a05336dc

Maybe this could have helped? Wonder why it never even moved in the committee? I guess they had more important things to work on.

http://www.sifma.net/w-weekly/2007/WK052507.shtml

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The House also approved legislation to reform the regulatory oversight of the housing-related government sponsored enterprises (GSEs). Prior to approving H.R.1427, the House adopted an amendment that would limit the authority of the new regulator to reduce the size of the GSE mortgage portfolios.
...

Ah, never mind - the regulator they wanted to create would have had limited ability to change much.

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House Approves GSE Reform Bill

The House approved the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act (H.R.1427) by a vote of 313 to 104. The bill overhauls the regulatory oversight of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) and creates a new, independent regulator with broad powers similar to current banking regulators. The new regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA), would have the authority to adjust risk-based and minimum capital requirements, to adjust the size of the GSE mortgage portfolios for safety and soundness reasons and to place the GSEs into receivership. The bill also creates an affordable housing fund to be funded by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac based on the average sizes of their mortgage portfolios. Prior to approving H.R.1427, the House approved an amendment offered by Reps. Melissa Bean (D-IL) and Randy Neugebauer (R-TX), which specifies the new regulator has the authority to reduce the size of the GSE mortgage portfolios only if they pose a risk to the GSEs themselves and not the broader economy. The amendment was approved 383-36 and was previously approved by voice vote late last week.

In a statement released after House passage of H.R.1427, Robert Steel, Treasury Under Secretary for Domestic Finance, said as a result of amendments made to the bill, the Treasury Department does not believe the bill adequately provides the necessary oversight. Steel said the Treasury Department remains troubled with the bill's provisions related to conforming loan limits, the Federal government's appointment of directors and parts of the affordable housing fund. Steel said the Bean-Neugebauer amendment significantly weakened the ability of the regulator to examine systemic risk issues. The Senate Banking Committee has not acted on GSE reform legislation. Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT) has said he is committed to finding a bipartisan consensus on the issue

Amazing that this legislation sat for over a year, even with the crappy amendments offered, and never made it to the floor for a vote. This had nothing to do with filibusters, it never even got that far.

Republicans tried to move something similar along this year and it has gotten nowhere:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5857

I guess Pelosi has more pressing things to do like moving bills directly to the floor and voting on them so there can be no discussion or amendments added.

This is not just a "Republican's did it issue". And Bush really had even less to do with it seeing as how the Congress couldn't pass a bill to save their lives. If it involved a pay increase, no problem.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 17, 2008 07:29PM

RV..will you please stop posting all your republikan propaganda on here? Who pays you to post all this crap? Who feeds you all this crap? Are you a republikan funky trying desperately to bait and switch us away from the fats?

This economy is 100% the result of 6-7 years of republikan control of congress. It is the same philosophy that has meat producers inspecting their own meat plants...China able to poison us and our pets...India sending in tainted generic drugs! It is what McSame would call cutting unnecessary and burdonsome regulations.

The republikans are the problem and they need to have their ass kicked out!

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: September 17, 2008 08:08PM

I almost want to see McCain win just to see the look on the faces of every bleeding heart liberal.

The economy will rebound regardless of who is elected.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 08:59PM

Can you say Democrat "fake" filibusters.

They have blocked all forms of meaningful legislation out of the Senate for the last few years. Now the Republicans don't even get to filibuster much of anything since the Democrats aren't even moving any legislation in the Senate.

I am not posting propaganda, I am posting factual information. If you actually did some research on the internet you could find much of this. Go to the Senate web site, or the House, you will find the information there.

Again, go back and look at the legislation McCain sponsored or co-sponsored that was blocked by the Democrats. Regardless of the fact that the Republicans controlled the Congress for the last few years, the Dems have had it most of the last 2 - what have they done? Nothing. What happened to their "mandate"? Wow, they are great examples of watching out for the American people.

BTW - do you believe in these policies?:

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Fight Global Poverty
Obama will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and he will double our foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal. He will help the world’s weakest states to build healthy and educated communities, reduce poverty, develop markets, and
generate wealth.

We aren't supposed to be the world's policeman, but we supposed to be the world's provider of welfare? Where is the extra $25B supposed to come from? Seeing as how we are already $450B overspending per year?

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Toward a Nuclear Free World
Obama will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons, and pursue it. Obama will always maintain a strong deterrent as long as nuclear weapons exist. But he will take several steps down the long road toward eliminating nuclear weapons. He will stop the development of new nuclear weapons; work with Russia to take U.S. and Russian ballistic missiles off hair trigger alert; seek dramatic reductions in U.S. and Russian stockpiles of nuclear weapons and material; and set a goal to expand the U.S.-Russian ban on intermediate range missiles so that the agreement is global.

Do you believe our weapons are on "hair trigger alert"? And do you believe his goal here is realistic?

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Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

I thought he reworded his position on the preconditions. Also, how exactly does he plan to get the sanctions to be worse when Russia and China will have none of it? Does he think they are going to roll over for him and really make it a priority once Bush is gone?

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Judgment You Can Trust
...
• In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
• In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
• In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;
• In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
• In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.

Remove all our troops by March 2008... there is judgment you can trust. He still can't acknowledge he was wrong about the surge. Great, the surge succeeded.. was he wrong? He has yet to say "Yes, I was wrong about the surge". How hard is that to say?

I find these policies troubling - you saying they are good? And they are just a few, right out of his plan...

This is from his Blueprint for Change, on his web site.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Lopter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 11:17PM

The troop surge is working? It's working so well that we are now sending MORE troops, go figure.

Way to stay on topic.

The Bush\McCain era adminstration spent $85 billion US tax dollars today to bail out another bank. Doubtful it will get repaid.

Nice work Bush-McCain says he agrees with the bail out and the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

What the hell is McCain talking about?

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 17, 2008 11:26PM

Taking quotes out of context still.

You might want to start looking a little more deeply who is behind the failed "legislation" that was put forth to try and rein in Fannie and Freddie - a big part of why we are here today. Do some research - I have posted a lot of facts about the folks that blocked that legislation. It was a mix of Dems and Repubs, but go back and look and you will see that Bush pushed for reform legislation 5 years ago. Folks like Dodd and Barney Frank were instrumental in making sure none of it passed.

The government put $85B into AIG because unfortunately there ARE some entities that, if they fail, will bring this all crashing down around all our heads. The point about the surge and other issues was in response to folks pointing me at all of Obama's wonderful policies he plans to enact, and ones he promoted. They make the case.

Where are we sending troops? Afghanistan. Different issue. Get over it.

Keep trying, You guys are really worried Obama might lose - pretty funny.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: September 18, 2008 07:42AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Taking quotes out of context still.
>
> You might want to start looking a little more
> deeply who is behind the failed "legislation" that
> was put forth to try and rein in Fannie and
> Freddie - a big part of why we are here today. Do
> some research - I have posted a lot of facts about
> the folks that blocked that legislation. It was a
> mix of Dems and Repubs, but go back and look and
> you will see that Bush pushed for reform
> legislation 5 years ago. Folks like Dodd and
> Barney Frank were instrumental in making sure none
> of it passed.
>

> The government put $85B into AIG because
> unfortunately there ARE some entities that, if
> they fail, will bring this all crashing down
> around all our heads. The point about the surge
> and other issues was in response to folks pointing
> me at all of Obama's wonderful policies he plans
> to enact, and ones he promoted. They make the
> case.
>
> Where are we sending troops? Afghanistan.
> Different issue. Get over it.
>
> Keep trying, You guys are really worried Obama
> might lose - pretty funny.

To RV:
I am really enjoying your posts and the way you make VinceBoy squirm.
No idea who you are but please keep it coming! This is good. Thanks.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Lopter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 10:15AM

Bush Adminstration approves $55 billion in US treasury spending to prop up economy

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Lobbyist ()
Date: September 18, 2008 11:56AM

So which is it today for the GOPs? Big government or small government? Big government, but only if bad bets are made?

The outcome of the GOP mis-management will certainly equal tax increases for all. Good job Republicans. You keep showing Americans that the only thing you could possibly lead is a parade.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 12:39PM

Yes well, the AIG loan is at 12% I hear. Assuming AIG turns around within a couple of years, the government stands to make money if it all works out.

Hmm, AIG fails, a world-wide panic erupts....

At this point the stockholders of AIG lose out, so all in all, a good thing they did it. You guys want to keep playing this game like it is only the administration that had anything to do with this - really - keep an eye out for that list of whose pockets got lined during this period and you will find across the board Congress was well paid to do absolutely nothing.

This is not about politics, but people keep wanting to make it a political issue.

I would be more worried if China decides to call our loan. And the loans have been out there for years, not just under Bush.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Lopter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 02:32PM

The question is more of why did this loan have to be made?

Because BUSH was drunk at the wheel again.

26 years in Congress and McCain didn't do anything. Now he says "I'll fix Washington."

So for 26 years he has been part of the problem and he just figured it out this year?

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 02:44PM

You are like a broken record. Good thing you have those democratic talking points to spout since it is obvious you wouldn't have anything to think otherwise.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Four More Years? ()
Date: September 18, 2008 03:46PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Remove all our troops by March 2008... there is
> judgment you can trust. He still can't acknowledge
> he was wrong about the surge. Great, the surge
> succeeded.. was he wrong? He has yet to say "Yes,
> I was wrong about the surge". How hard is that to
> say?

The tropp surge is working? Better check again - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/eu_gates_nato_afghanistan

LONDON - In an echo of a time when things were going from bad to worse in Iraq, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday the Bush administration is reviewing its war strategy in Afghanistan amid spreading insurgent violence, rising U.S. and allied military deaths and doubts about winning.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 05:35PM

Afghanistan... we are talking about Iraq, as is Obama and anyone else talking about a troop surge.

There is another thread dealing with the Afghanistan issue.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 18, 2008 05:49PM

4 more years comments are right on! Who gives a damn if the surge is working if overall we are loosing the war to find and kill or prosecute the people who actually did attack us? The issue of did the surge work is meaningless unless it results in our troops coming home. It hasnt..doesnt seem to have the possibility of doing so...it is not a sucess!

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Flip-flopper ()
Date: September 18, 2008 06:22PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yes well, the AIG loan is at 12% I hear. Assuming
> AIG turns around within a couple of years, the
> government stands to make money if it all works
> out.
>
> Hmm, AIG fails, a world-wide panic erupts....
>
> At this point the stockholders of AIG lose out, so
> all in all, a good thing they did it. You guys
> want to keep playing this game like it is only the
> administration that had anything to do with this -
> really - keep an eye out for that list of whose
> pockets got lined during this period and you will
> find across the board Congress was well paid to do
> absolutely nothing.
>
> This is not about politics, but people keep
> wanting to make it a political issue.
>
> I would be more worried if China decides to call
> our loan. And the loans have been out there for
> years, not just under Bush.

You still didn't answer the question, flip-flopper. Big government when bets go bad or small government like the GOP want? Sounds like you want your cake and eat it too.

Also, please research before you speak, because you know very little about the Chinese and Saudi call provisions on our t-bills. They are staggered with step-up callable features and over 3/4 of our current outstanding debt was made during the BUSH ADMINSTRATION. So yes, it is a political issue. If China calls the medium-term bonds today, there is a concession involved that would make them repurchase other government securities at a more favorable rate. They cannot call the long-term maturity bonds because the call features on these do not kick in until 2016 and beyond.

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Re: 117 Problem Banks on Watch List\Housing market to drop more
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 18, 2008 06:38PM

I believe the debt when Bush came in was $5T wasn't it? Now it is $9T or so.

January 19, 2001 - 5,727,776,738,304.64
September 1, 2008 - 9,645,725,555,640.02

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway

I didn't flip flop at all. I believe Federal Government should be small, period. Unfortunately when businesses collapse, for whatever reason, that such collapse would seriously harm the American and/or world economy to the point that everyone would be screwed - on a case by case basis you have to review that and make a decision.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Pretty sure it comes under the parts of ensuring domestic tranquility .. promoting the general welfare... etc. Not so sure about the posterity part - since all these guys are charged with protecting the Constitution of the United States it seems they (Congress as well as others) failed. Maybe we should hold a mass impeachment and toss them all out on their ass for failing to uphold the Constitution?

Hey, and good to know on the bond issues, makes me feel a bit better about that part.

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