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I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Yucky24.
()
Date: May 28, 2013 05:50PM
Every single country and city that's legalized drugs saw a huge increase in drug use amongst its population.
We definitely need a society full of people like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ji15Oomm1U
Good job you degenerate libtards with your glamorization and promotion of drugs. God only knows how many lives you've improved...
We definitely need a society full of people like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ji15Oomm1U
Good job you degenerate libtards with your glamorization and promotion of drugs. God only knows how many lives you've improved...
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
8 More Years, II
()
Date: May 28, 2013 07:11PM
Yucky24. Wrote:
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> Every single country and city that's legalized
> drugs saw a huge increase in drug use amongst its
> population.
And a dramatic drop in non-social crimes.
Legalize now - treat the problem as the social problem it is, not criminal.
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> Every single country and city that's legalized
> drugs saw a huge increase in drug use amongst its
> population.
And a dramatic drop in non-social crimes.
Legalize now - treat the problem as the social problem it is, not criminal.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 28, 2013 07:17PM
OK it's your daughters 18th birthday!
She wants to go party, try some new things, she's gonna get some heroin! It'll be awesome! Just like Cobain and Winehouse and Pulp Fiction and Trainspotting!
She knows it's bad, but she's only gonna do it once!
What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think your little princess is ready for?
She's firing it up her left arm BTW...
She wants to go party, try some new things, she's gonna get some heroin! It'll be awesome! Just like Cobain and Winehouse and Pulp Fiction and Trainspotting!
She knows it's bad, but she's only gonna do it once!
What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think your little princess is ready for?
She's firing it up her left arm BTW...
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
8 More Years, II
()
Date: May 28, 2013 07:26PM
So be it. For those who haven't trained their kids right, too bad.
But I'd MUCH rather see a hundred thousand loser kids than 20 million loser kids.
It's a SOCIAL probelm - like drinking - like texting while driving - treat it as such.
But I'd MUCH rather see a hundred thousand loser kids than 20 million loser kids.
It's a SOCIAL probelm - like drinking - like texting while driving - treat it as such.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 28, 2013 07:27PM
Again-
What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think your little princess is ready for?
What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think your little princess is ready for?
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
8 More Years, II
()
Date: May 28, 2013 07:33PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Again-
>
> What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think
> your little princess is ready for?
You are (rather stupidly) keying in on the type of poison; that is incorrect.
Here ya go: Jack Daniels
Go ahead, key in on that!
No, that would be stupid, too.
Legalize - treat it as the social problem it is.
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> Again-
>
> What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think
> your little princess is ready for?
You are (rather stupidly) keying in on the type of poison; that is incorrect.
Here ya go: Jack Daniels
Go ahead, key in on that!
No, that would be stupid, too.
Legalize - treat it as the social problem it is.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 28, 2013 07:38PM
Again-
What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think your little princess is ready for?
What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think your little princess is ready for?
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
horse rider
()
Date: May 28, 2013 07:50PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Again-
>
> What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think
> your little princess is ready for?
i spike my veins with snow white death
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> Again-
>
> What size dose and what kinda purity do ya think
> your little princess is ready for?
i spike my veins with snow white death
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Priapus
()
Date: May 28, 2013 08:29PM
I'm for legalization cuz I'm high as a motherfucker
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
localboob
()
Date: May 28, 2013 08:58PM
why would legalizing marijuana = my daughter doing heroin?
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 28, 2013 09:04PM
localboob Wrote:
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> why would legalizing marijuana = my daughter doing
> heroin?
I would decriminalize mj tomorrow...
Pills, powders and pebbles are different substances entirely'
Only a fool would think legalizing opiates or would not differentiate between the different drugs and the different chemical effects and properties.
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> why would legalizing marijuana = my daughter doing
> heroin?
I would decriminalize mj tomorrow...
Pills, powders and pebbles are different substances entirely'
Only a fool would think legalizing opiates or would not differentiate between the different drugs and the different chemical effects and properties.
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Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
drugs drugs drugs
()
Date: May 28, 2013 09:16PM
The current product on the street is inconsistent. This leads to dosing problems, particularly when you are relying on the advice of someone who is a dealer not user. He isn't concerned about your welfare since they are plenty of other buyers.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 74
()
Date: May 28, 2013 09:34PM
drugs drugs drugs Wrote:
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> The current product on the street is inconsistent.
> This leads to dosing problems, particularly when
> you are relying on the advice of someone who is a
> dealer not user. He isn't concerned about your
> welfare since they are plenty of other buyers.
And by making it legal you open up use to millions of people who wouldnt have otherwise done it. Drug addicts are going to do it either way.
Theres always a segment of the population that will do what they think is right, then theres a segment that will do what they want, but the largest segment does what the law allows. Theyll use drugs on a trip but dont want to risk it at home. By legalizing it you just now opened that door for that entire segment.
You dont sacrifice everyone from the choices of a few. Every society that has embraced drugs has gone to shit or been destroyed by it. No alcohol isnt the same, you can drink booze without getting drunk you dont use drugs not to get high.
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> The current product on the street is inconsistent.
> This leads to dosing problems, particularly when
> you are relying on the advice of someone who is a
> dealer not user. He isn't concerned about your
> welfare since they are plenty of other buyers.
And by making it legal you open up use to millions of people who wouldnt have otherwise done it. Drug addicts are going to do it either way.
Theres always a segment of the population that will do what they think is right, then theres a segment that will do what they want, but the largest segment does what the law allows. Theyll use drugs on a trip but dont want to risk it at home. By legalizing it you just now opened that door for that entire segment.
You dont sacrifice everyone from the choices of a few. Every society that has embraced drugs has gone to shit or been destroyed by it. No alcohol isnt the same, you can drink booze without getting drunk you dont use drugs not to get high.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
9vKJk
()
Date: May 28, 2013 09:50PM
You can drink without getting "drunk" but that is merely a matter of semantics. Even one drink causes impairment. There is a legal limit of impairment from alcohol allowed by law. Why can't there be the same for other drugs?
What is the criteria for "gone to shit" or "destroyed". According to wikipedia, the Netherland's GDP per capita is roughly $42,000 which puts it in the top 10 of richest nations in the world. Clearly, they are suffering. Yes, I know wikipedia is a pack of lies.
What is the criteria for "gone to shit" or "destroyed". According to wikipedia, the Netherland's GDP per capita is roughly $42,000 which puts it in the top 10 of richest nations in the world. Clearly, they are suffering. Yes, I know wikipedia is a pack of lies.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: May 28, 2013 10:26PM
Yucky24. Wrote:
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> Every single country and city that's legalized
> drugs saw a huge increase in drug use amongst its
> population.
Or more accurately every country has discovered that the drug use among its population was far greater than they thought it was when it was illegal. Partly this is a reflection that governments seldom have a handle on how common casual drug use is. Partly this is because some people using previously legal drugs may switch over once additional drugs have been legalized.
One erroneous assumption is that people are stupid BECAUSE they use recreational drugs. Truth is that in most instances they are stupid AND they use recreational drugs.
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> Every single country and city that's legalized
> drugs saw a huge increase in drug use amongst its
> population.
Or more accurately every country has discovered that the drug use among its population was far greater than they thought it was when it was illegal. Partly this is a reflection that governments seldom have a handle on how common casual drug use is. Partly this is because some people using previously legal drugs may switch over once additional drugs have been legalized.
One erroneous assumption is that people are stupid BECAUSE they use recreational drugs. Truth is that in most instances they are stupid AND they use recreational drugs.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Bill 'n
()
Date: May 28, 2013 10:28PM
Correction: People use recreational drugs BECAUSE they're stupid.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
FRAUPLATEN
()
Date: May 28, 2013 10:33PM
The GOP needs to re-double thier efforts on the drug war. Hire more police, sentence more drug pushers, punish the users. Be tough. Eventually people will never want to use drugs because the consequences are very severe. Fight the druggies.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Set Sarcasm Detectors To "On"
()
Date: May 28, 2013 10:37PM
FRAUPLATEN Wrote:
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> The GOP needs to re-double thier efforts on the
> drug war. Hire more police, sentence more drug
> pushers, punish the users. Be tough. Eventually
> people will never want to use drugs because the
> consequences are very severe. Fight the druggies.
Yup. Prohibition definitely works.
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> The GOP needs to re-double thier efforts on the
> drug war. Hire more police, sentence more drug
> pushers, punish the users. Be tough. Eventually
> people will never want to use drugs because the
> consequences are very severe. Fight the druggies.
Yup. Prohibition definitely works.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
whole pinky down my dick hole
()
Date: May 28, 2013 10:42PM
I like s&m shit. It's my drug.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
turn it back off buddy
()
Date: May 28, 2013 10:47PM
Set Sarcasm Detectors To "On" Wrote:
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> FRAUPLATEN Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The GOP needs to re-double thier efforts on the
> > drug war. Hire more police, sentence more drug
> > pushers, punish the users. Be tough.
> Eventually
> > people will never want to use drugs because the
> > consequences are very severe. Fight the
> druggies.
>
> Yup. Prohibition definitely works.
Just look at South Korea, they have strict penalties and it works well for them.
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> FRAUPLATEN Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The GOP needs to re-double thier efforts on the
> > drug war. Hire more police, sentence more drug
> > pushers, punish the users. Be tough.
> Eventually
> > people will never want to use drugs because the
> > consequences are very severe. Fight the
> druggies.
>
> Yup. Prohibition definitely works.
Just look at South Korea, they have strict penalties and it works well for them.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: May 28, 2013 10:52PM
Bill 'n Wrote:
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> Correction: People use recreational drugs BECAUSE
> they're stupid.
Your Nancy Reagan picture must be so proud of you. Let us know when you have something meaningful to contribute.
Bill eNclosed
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> Correction: People use recreational drugs BECAUSE
> they're stupid.
Your Nancy Reagan picture must be so proud of you. Let us know when you have something meaningful to contribute.
Bill eNclosed
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Bill 'n
()
Date: May 28, 2013 11:11PM
Naw, my Preezy Obama picture is very proud of me.
We're making the streets of America safe for women and babies.
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We're making the streets of America safe for women and babies.
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Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
You seem confused
()
Date: May 28, 2013 11:21PM
FRAUPLATEN Wrote:
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> The GOP needs to re-double thier efforts on the
> drug war. Hire more police, sentence more drug
> pushers, punish the users. Be tough. Eventually
> people will never want to use drugs because the
> consequences are very severe. Fight the druggies.
Maybe it's short-term memory loss on your part but the GOP had a candidate (Johnson) whose platform was based pretty much entirely on legalizing. In addition to Paul(s) also for legalization. Along with many others for many years now.
On the other hand, you have Obama's DOJ which cracked down on the pharms and issued specific policy threatening to exerted Federal supremacy over the states for enforcement.
You figure it out...
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> The GOP needs to re-double thier efforts on the
> drug war. Hire more police, sentence more drug
> pushers, punish the users. Be tough. Eventually
> people will never want to use drugs because the
> consequences are very severe. Fight the druggies.
Maybe it's short-term memory loss on your part but the GOP had a candidate (Johnson) whose platform was based pretty much entirely on legalizing. In addition to Paul(s) also for legalization. Along with many others for many years now.
On the other hand, you have Obama's DOJ which cracked down on the pharms and issued specific policy threatening to exerted Federal supremacy over the states for enforcement.
You figure it out...
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 74
()
Date: May 28, 2013 11:23PM
9vKJk Wrote:
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> You can drink without getting "drunk" but that is
> merely a matter of semantics. Even one drink
> causes impairment. There is a legal limit of
> impairment from alcohol allowed by law. Why can't
> there be the same for other drugs?
You dont have levels of high with other drugs. You dont just do heroin once for example.
I would be fine with turning getting caught with pot into a fine as long as you arent selling.
The biggest problem with legalization is it will never stop with pot. Once pot is legalized there will be a push for other drugs as well. I have no problem with someone using them who has a real terminal illness, but not the crap the passes for medicinal use today
> What is the criteria for "gone to shit" or
> "destroyed". According to wikipedia, the
> Netherland's GDP per capita is roughly $42,000
> which puts it in the top 10 of richest nations in
> the world. Clearly, they are suffering. Yes, I
> know wikipedia is a pack of lies.
The neitherlands is also 1/100th of our size, doesnt have our demographics, and aside from being a country has nothing in common with us. They also still prosecute dealers.
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> You can drink without getting "drunk" but that is
> merely a matter of semantics. Even one drink
> causes impairment. There is a legal limit of
> impairment from alcohol allowed by law. Why can't
> there be the same for other drugs?
You dont have levels of high with other drugs. You dont just do heroin once for example.
I would be fine with turning getting caught with pot into a fine as long as you arent selling.
The biggest problem with legalization is it will never stop with pot. Once pot is legalized there will be a push for other drugs as well. I have no problem with someone using them who has a real terminal illness, but not the crap the passes for medicinal use today
> What is the criteria for "gone to shit" or
> "destroyed". According to wikipedia, the
> Netherland's GDP per capita is roughly $42,000
> which puts it in the top 10 of richest nations in
> the world. Clearly, they are suffering. Yes, I
> know wikipedia is a pack of lies.
The neitherlands is also 1/100th of our size, doesnt have our demographics, and aside from being a country has nothing in common with us. They also still prosecute dealers.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Young Curmudgeon
()
Date: May 29, 2013 04:57PM
You seem confused Wrote:
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> Maybe it's short-term memory loss on your part but
> the GOP had a candidate (Johnson) whose platform
> was based pretty much entirely on legalizing. In
> addition to Paul(s) also for legalization. Along
> with many others for many years now.
Neither Ron Paul nor Gary Johnson are mainstream Republicans. Gary Johnson is more of a libertarian than anything else. Ron Paul is somewhere in between libertarian and conservative.
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> Maybe it's short-term memory loss on your part but
> the GOP had a candidate (Johnson) whose platform
> was based pretty much entirely on legalizing. In
> addition to Paul(s) also for legalization. Along
> with many others for many years now.
Neither Ron Paul nor Gary Johnson are mainstream Republicans. Gary Johnson is more of a libertarian than anything else. Ron Paul is somewhere in between libertarian and conservative.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
You seem confused too
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:34PM
Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> You seem confused Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe it's short-term memory loss on your part
> but
> > the GOP had a candidate (Johnson) whose
> platform
> > was based pretty much entirely on legalizing.
> In
> > addition to Paul(s) also for legalization.
> Along
> > with many others for many years now.
>
> Neither Ron Paul nor Gary Johnson are mainstream
> Republicans. Gary Johnson is more of a libertarian
> than anything else. Ron Paul is somewhere in
> between libertarian and conservative.
Whether they are 'mainstream' or not isn't the question. The post was insinuating sarcastically that Republicans were the ones pushing for all of the things mentioned. They are Republicans by party affiliation. They vote with Republicans. They were candidates in the primaries. They participated in the GOP debates, including specific discussions re legalization/decriminalization.
There are few 'mainstream' Presidential candidates on either side who have come out strongly for legalization/decriminalization but if you want to look at the NORML and some other group's ratings of politicians I think that you'll find that it's a fairly even split, possibly even with a slight advantage to the GOP.
And, regardless of being 'mainstream' or any of the rest of the above, that doesn't change the fact that, as I said, Obama's DOJ definitely has been on the other side entirely including some recent sketchy prosecutions.
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> You seem confused Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe it's short-term memory loss on your part
> but
> > the GOP had a candidate (Johnson) whose
> platform
> > was based pretty much entirely on legalizing.
> In
> > addition to Paul(s) also for legalization.
> Along
> > with many others for many years now.
>
> Neither Ron Paul nor Gary Johnson are mainstream
> Republicans. Gary Johnson is more of a libertarian
> than anything else. Ron Paul is somewhere in
> between libertarian and conservative.
Whether they are 'mainstream' or not isn't the question. The post was insinuating sarcastically that Republicans were the ones pushing for all of the things mentioned. They are Republicans by party affiliation. They vote with Republicans. They were candidates in the primaries. They participated in the GOP debates, including specific discussions re legalization/decriminalization.
There are few 'mainstream' Presidential candidates on either side who have come out strongly for legalization/decriminalization but if you want to look at the NORML and some other group's ratings of politicians I think that you'll find that it's a fairly even split, possibly even with a slight advantage to the GOP.
And, regardless of being 'mainstream' or any of the rest of the above, that doesn't change the fact that, as I said, Obama's DOJ definitely has been on the other side entirely including some recent sketchy prosecutions.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
liberal logic 15
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:40PM
Prohibition has never nor will it ever work. It must be Taxed and education that would stand to better benefit society. Rather than crowd jails and prisons with mild offenders. This is asinine and only strengthen criminals to continue a course of criminalization. Rather than the sane pursuit of legalization. Why do something that for centuries in civilization failed? Why not strike out in a brave new direction!?
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 05
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:21PM
liberal logic 15 Wrote:
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> Prohibition has never nor will it ever work. It
> must be Taxed and education that would stand to
> better benefit society. Rather than crowd jails
> and prisons with mild offenders. This is asinine
> and only strengthen criminals to continue a course
> of criminalization. Rather than the sane pursuit
> of legalization. Why do something that for
> centuries in civilization failed? Why not strike
> out in a brave new direction!?
Ferfux is off his meds again.
Why wont you use the gerry sn ferfux? We all know what an idiot you are no matter what you post under?
Also youre wrong as always drugs were legal for centuries and all those societies failed, banning them is the new direction in the history of mankind
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> Prohibition has never nor will it ever work. It
> must be Taxed and education that would stand to
> better benefit society. Rather than crowd jails
> and prisons with mild offenders. This is asinine
> and only strengthen criminals to continue a course
> of criminalization. Rather than the sane pursuit
> of legalization. Why do something that for
> centuries in civilization failed? Why not strike
> out in a brave new direction!?
Ferfux is off his meds again.
Why wont you use the gerry sn ferfux? We all know what an idiot you are no matter what you post under?
Also youre wrong as always drugs were legal for centuries and all those societies failed, banning them is the new direction in the history of mankind
Re: Obama + Goldman Sachs > Bush + ENRON - Where's the Outrage?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:40PM
Re: Obama + Goldman Sachs > Bush + ENRON - Where's the Outrage?
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Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
China Brown
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:15PM
Cocoa? lol
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
7GNcT
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:30PM
> You dont have levels of high with other drugs. You dont just do heroin once for example.
Wow. I didn't know alcohol was so special that it can't addict on a first drink and is the only drug is varying levels of "high". I assure you that alcohol creates levels of impairment just like any other drug out there.
Some members of the military are issued amphetamines. So I guess they have special training that allows to not become instantly addicted or is this simply another exception to the general rule of "all drugs except alcohol are instantly addictive".
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war-drugs/#.Uaa4y3yVvRY
Some people have addictive personalities. They will find something and become addicted -- You can't stop this. These people are the minority, but they are the vocal/visible part of the minority.
Wow. I didn't know alcohol was so special that it can't addict on a first drink and is the only drug is varying levels of "high". I assure you that alcohol creates levels of impairment just like any other drug out there.
Some members of the military are issued amphetamines. So I guess they have special training that allows to not become instantly addicted or is this simply another exception to the general rule of "all drugs except alcohol are instantly addictive".
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war-drugs/#.Uaa4y3yVvRY
Some people have addictive personalities. They will find something and become addicted -- You can't stop this. These people are the minority, but they are the vocal/visible part of the minority.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Liberal Logic 06
()
Date: May 30, 2013 12:25AM
7GNcT Wrote:
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> Wow. I didn't know alcohol was so special that it
> can't addict on a first drink and is the only drug
> is varying levels of "high". I assure you that
> alcohol creates levels of impairment just like any
> other drug out there.
Yes alcohol and heroin are the same real intellectual arguement there.
> Some members of the military are issued
> amphetamines. So I guess they have special
> training that allows to not become instantly
> addicted or is this simply another exception to
> the general rule of "all drugs except alcohol are
> instantly addictive".
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/
> t/go-pills-war-drugs/#.Uaa4y3yVvRY
By doctors in monitored studied doses for pilots who need them for long flights.
By your logic every prescription drug should be destroyed and no longer prescribed because heroin isnt allowed.
> Some people have addictive personalities. They
> will find something and become addicted -- You
> can't stop this. These people are the minority,
> but they are the vocal/visible part of the
> minority.
The laws arent intended to stop drug addicts. Theyre intended to stop law abiding citizens that might other wise try them if they were legal, they are effective at stopping that.
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> Wow. I didn't know alcohol was so special that it
> can't addict on a first drink and is the only drug
> is varying levels of "high". I assure you that
> alcohol creates levels of impairment just like any
> other drug out there.
Yes alcohol and heroin are the same real intellectual arguement there.
> Some members of the military are issued
> amphetamines. So I guess they have special
> training that allows to not become instantly
> addicted or is this simply another exception to
> the general rule of "all drugs except alcohol are
> instantly addictive".
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/
> t/go-pills-war-drugs/#.Uaa4y3yVvRY
By doctors in monitored studied doses for pilots who need them for long flights.
By your logic every prescription drug should be destroyed and no longer prescribed because heroin isnt allowed.
> Some people have addictive personalities. They
> will find something and become addicted -- You
> can't stop this. These people are the minority,
> but they are the vocal/visible part of the
> minority.
The laws arent intended to stop drug addicts. Theyre intended to stop law abiding citizens that might other wise try them if they were legal, they are effective at stopping that.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:49PM
Liberal Logic 06 Wrote:
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> The laws arent intended to stop drug addicts.
> Theyre intended to stop law abiding citizens that
> might other wise try them if they were legal, they
> are effective at stopping that.
I agreed with you right up to that last phrase. Criminal drug laws are about as effective at STOPPING otherwise law abiding citizens from occassionally using recreational drugs as traffic laws are at stopping drivers from speeding. Large numbers of people continue to do drugs, but most of them modify their behavior to reduce the chances of getting caught. If we accepted that was the goal, it would be possible to achieve much the same result with far less draconian drug laws.
Ideally I'd like to see us legalize the less serious recreational drugs and sell them through carefully regulated businesses, and devote our criminal efforts at getting people who fucked up while on drugs, or who are manufacturing and selling the more serious ones. In lieu of that I'd settle for graduated fines and community service for people charged with possession or distribution of small amounts of less serious recreational drugs.
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> The laws arent intended to stop drug addicts.
> Theyre intended to stop law abiding citizens that
> might other wise try them if they were legal, they
> are effective at stopping that.
I agreed with you right up to that last phrase. Criminal drug laws are about as effective at STOPPING otherwise law abiding citizens from occassionally using recreational drugs as traffic laws are at stopping drivers from speeding. Large numbers of people continue to do drugs, but most of them modify their behavior to reduce the chances of getting caught. If we accepted that was the goal, it would be possible to achieve much the same result with far less draconian drug laws.
Ideally I'd like to see us legalize the less serious recreational drugs and sell them through carefully regulated businesses, and devote our criminal efforts at getting people who fucked up while on drugs, or who are manufacturing and selling the more serious ones. In lieu of that I'd settle for graduated fines and community service for people charged with possession or distribution of small amounts of less serious recreational drugs.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
dt4up
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:20PM
> Yes alcohol and heroin are the same real intellectual arguement there.
Quite the intellectual come back. Atleast you can spell it.
But back to the topic, they really are. It is just the level of danger associated with each activity that is different. Yes, heroin is more dangerous. But then again, there are plenty of activities that are dangerous that are not forbidden by the government. For instance, sky-diving/base-jumping is legal but prohibited in certain areas (i.e. you can't jump off buildings). Drinking is legal, but driving impaired is not. So why does heroin fall into a special category? It used to be legal and over the counter. Society didn't collapse (Yes, I know, because we banned it).
Also, criminalizing an activity just makes it more attractive to a certain group of people.
Quite the intellectual come back. Atleast you can spell it.
But back to the topic, they really are. It is just the level of danger associated with each activity that is different. Yes, heroin is more dangerous. But then again, there are plenty of activities that are dangerous that are not forbidden by the government. For instance, sky-diving/base-jumping is legal but prohibited in certain areas (i.e. you can't jump off buildings). Drinking is legal, but driving impaired is not. So why does heroin fall into a special category? It used to be legal and over the counter. Society didn't collapse (Yes, I know, because we banned it).
Also, criminalizing an activity just makes it more attractive to a certain group of people.
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Olde Farte, II
()
Date: May 31, 2013 09:23AM
It's not clear to me why people are talking about heroin being dangerous - are you talking post-legalization heroin or are you stuck in a rut of pre-legalization-think?
BTW - did you read that the Microsfot guy is working on the first American-branded marijuana?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/30/us-usa-marijuana-idUSBRE94T0ZE20130530
BTW - did you read that the Microsfot guy is working on the first American-branded marijuana?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/30/us-usa-marijuana-idUSBRE94T0ZE20130530
Re: I now support drug legalization
Posted by:
Drug
()
Date: May 31, 2013 10:14AM
Yucky24. Wrote:
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> Every single country and city that's legalized
> drugs saw a huge increase in drug use amongst its
> population.
>
> We definitely need a society full of people like
> this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ji15Oomm1U
>
> Good job you degenerate libtards with your
> glamorization and promotion of drugs. God only
> knows how many lives you've improved...
Because it's so so hard to get drugs now.
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> Every single country and city that's legalized
> drugs saw a huge increase in drug use amongst its
> population.
>
> We definitely need a society full of people like
> this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ji15Oomm1U
>
> Good job you degenerate libtards with your
> glamorization and promotion of drugs. God only
> knows how many lives you've improved...
Because it's so so hard to get drugs now.