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Important Message
Posted by: RWR ()
Date: September 09, 2008 06:34PM


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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Really Moving... ()
Date: September 09, 2008 06:41PM

WOW....what a message

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: WOW ()
Date: September 09, 2008 06:53PM

You gotta watch this until the very end...when the guy walks away... It really is a moving message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: paddy ()
Date: September 09, 2008 09:04PM

I couldnt even watch the whole thing.. disgusting

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: September 09, 2008 09:09PM

I know I'm not watching it.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: FU ()
Date: September 09, 2008 09:59PM

You all are ass holes.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 09, 2008 11:12PM

and what exactly is the important message? do the hundreds of thousand dead civilian Iraquis get to vote on whether the war was worth it?

Dont fool yourselves...if the Iraquis are ever fortunate enough to get us off their soil they will join their fellow Muslim states in calling for the destruction of Israel...installing a demagogue as president...

But then again we never are going to leave...are we?

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: yy ()
Date: September 14, 2008 11:03AM

Watch.

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Re: Important Message
Date: September 14, 2008 12:11PM

Of course the soldier doesn't talk about McCain's numerous efforts to cut Veterans' benefits because "It might encourage soldiers to leave the military." Someone needs to put a video up here of a wife dealing with her husband's PTSD and the absolute lack of support she is getting from the VA.

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Re: Important Message
Date: September 14, 2008 12:14PM

(CBS) They are the casualties of wars you don’t often hear about - soldiers who die of self-inflicted wounds. Little is known about the true scope of suicides among those who have served in the military.

But a five-month CBS News investigation discovered data that shows a startling rate of suicide, what some call a hidden epidemic, Chief Investigative Reporter Armen Keteyian reports exclusively.

“I just felt like this silent scream inside of me,” said Jessica Harrell, the sister of a soldier who took his own life.

"I opened up the door and there he was," recalled Mike Bowman, the father of an Army reservist.

"I saw the hose double looped around his neck,” said Kevin Lucey, another military father.

"He was gone,” said Mia Sagahon, whose soldier boyfriend committed suicide.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 14, 2008 01:05PM

I will even post a link to the guy who has all of McCain's votes - just to set the record straight. When you actually look at who voted for what, it makes more sense.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Libertarian1 ()
Date: September 14, 2008 03:37PM

If only Congress cared as much about America as this brave soldier. Sempre Fi.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: September 14, 2008 06:20PM

Hmmmmm. I have read the text below several times and the word "freedom" is not there. Not there even once.

Bilogical weapons, wmds, links to terrorists. nuclear weapon capabilities, national security... I see it all. All except "freedom".

Somebody should tell the soldier the reason, as stated and signed by his Commander in Chief in the words below had NOTHING to do with FREEDOM.

But then again, evidently he did loose a limb, so he can justify that any way he wants to.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
October 2, 2002

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq





Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in "material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" and urged the President "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations" (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President "to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677";

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1)," that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and "constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region," and that Congress, "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688";

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to "work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge" posed by Iraq and to "work for the necessary resolutions," while also making clear that "the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable";

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region;

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SEC. 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq".

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS

The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--

(a) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions applicable to Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

(b) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION.

In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, and

(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS. --


(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION. -- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS. -- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS

(a) The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 2 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of Public Law 105-338 (the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998).

(b) To the extent that the submission of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting requirements of Public Law 93-148 (the War Powers Resolution), all such reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the Congress.

(c) To the extent that the information required by section 3 of Public Law 102-1 is included in the report required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the requirements of section 3 of Public Law 102-1.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2008 06:25PM by Radiophile.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Dr. Pepper () ()
Date: September 19, 2008 11:32PM

Regardless of ones personal opinion about the war, left or right, democrat or republican, you have to agree that was pretty touching. And I consider myself pretty unemotional.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 19, 2008 11:47PM

Dr. Pepper () Wrote:
>> you have to agree that was pretty touching.


I don't. Every American generation has wounded vets. That video is just alot of propaganda.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: September 20, 2008 12:07AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Dr. Pepper () Wrote:
> >> you have to agree that was pretty touching.
>
>
> I don't. Every American generation has wounded
> vets. That video is just alot of propaganda.

Long before Sept 11, UBL sent a message outlining everything he believed wrong with our foriegn policy. It was several pages long. Everyone had this message - CIA, Executive Branch etc.

After Sept 11, ignoring everything said in the letter - which never once mentioned "freedom" at all - GWB addressed the nation and said "they hate us for our freedom". Whether or not what UBL wrote in the letter was right or wrong, our "freedom" was never an issue for him.

GWB sold a load a crap to this country. I dont know whether he knew it was crap or not. But it was so dumbed down, it was crap.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: September 20, 2008 12:16AM

"When you call the Iraqi war a mistake, you disrespect the service and the sacrifice of everyone who died promoting freedom". Again this is called framing the issue. Puting the issue in your light.

So, woudl it be more accurate to say "When you send our brave men and women to war - a war where they will loose life and limb - and justify it with false pretenses - you disrespect the service and the sacrifice of everyone who died promoting freedom".

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Re: Important Message
Date: September 20, 2008 08:12AM

Libertarian1 Wrote:
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> If only Congress cared as much about America as
> this brave soldier. Sempre Fi.


I believe he was with the Army. Hooah!

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Re: Important Message
Date: September 20, 2008 08:16AM

While the guy was talking to Mr. Obama, he should have thanked the Democrats in Congress. If it hadn't been for them, he would have still been waiting for a prosthetic limb at Walter Reed because the Republicans initially funded the war and its aftermath like the six month cake walk they were predicting it would be.

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Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 20, 2008 08:29AM

Radiophile Wrote:
>>>> "they hate us for our freedom"


That's just some stupid catch-phrase; an excuse for not thinking. It makes the issues dumb enough so that the kind of people who are "moved" by this video can understand them. It's pretty fucking ridiculous when you think about it.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: September 20, 2008 10:54AM

And remember, He said "Mr. Obama" and not "Senator Obama". Talk about demanding respect and not giving it.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: September 21, 2008 09:21AM

Libertarian1 Wrote:
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> If only Congress cared as much about America as
> this brave soldier. Sempre Fi.


Many members of Congress do care. They care about the loss of life and limb; they care about the $10 billion a month the war cost (not one nickel has been paid for), they care about our reputation in the world.

Unfortuneately, these complex thoughts are shouted down with cries of "Unpatriotic" by the likes of many. No names used, but you know who I am talking about.

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Re: Important Message
Date: September 21, 2008 09:34AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Radiophile Wrote:
> >>>> "they hate us for our freedom"
>
>
> That's just some stupid catch-phrase; an excuse
> for not thinking. It makes the issues dumb enough
> so that the kind of people who are "moved" by this
> video can understand them. It's pretty fucking
> ridiculous when you think about it.

As Alfred the Butler said in The Dark Knight, "Some men just want to see the world burn." I don't believe there is a political philosophy like "Islamo-Fascism" behind what Al Qaeda has done. I think it is a death cult that appeals to disaffected people who want to blame others for their own losses and failures in life.

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Re: Important Message
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 21, 2008 10:04AM

To classify your enemy as a "death cult" of disenfranchised loosers is a little too simplistic for my pallet! It ignores our foreign policy failures in the Middle East for over a half century! In the role as the worlds only remaining super power..the worlds "poor, tired, and huddled masses" expect/demand a certain amount of even handedness...not blind support for one side in hopes of the second cumming of khrist and the rapture. The success of the "islamic-fascists" feeds on more then just their own fury..but the underlying anger of Ilamic "silent majority".

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