And for you fucktards who are too lazy to click the link....here's the headline

HOUSTON -- The man accused of hitting and killing a Harris County sheriff’s deputy while driving drunk was in the country illegally, a judge said in court overnight.

Andres Munos-Munos, 23, was charged with intoxication manslaughter in the death of Sgt. Dwayne Polk.

Records show he was arrested on June 10, 2012 for driving while intoxicated. He also was charged with unlawful carrying of a weapon. He was deported in July 2012, but later returned to the U.S.

http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Man-charged-with-intoxication-manslaughter-in-HCSO-deputys-death-208107801.html

Hey, good job, asshole. It makes your post a little more interesting. No need to be a dick about it. I'm trying to help you out. But you always post negative, bitchy, whiny, complaining about something posts. Bitch. Fake-planned out blowjob in a parking lot homo worrying about cops faggot.

The immigration situation is a situation where the Republican elite whom hold the strings let their own greed for cheap labor do them in. Its the irony I love. Sort of like the regressive sales tax not being sustainable in the face of internet technology. I love it when the natural evolution of things stands in the way of Republican greed and thuggery.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/23/2013 09:14PM by Gerrymanderer2.

Stabitha Wrote:
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> HOUSTON -- The man accused of hitting and killing
> a Harris County sheriff’s deputy while driving
> drunk was in the country illegally, a judge said
> in court overnight.

Yeah, white US citizens never, ever get into fatal car accidents while drunk.

GOP-tards!

LoLz!

D'oh! Wrote:
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>
>
> Yeah, white US citizens never, ever get into fatal
> car accidents while drunk.
>
> GOP-tards!
>
> LoLz!

Are you really this stupid or just fooling around?

Did you miss the part about being deported and let back in?

D'oh! Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HOUSTON -- The man accused of hitting and
> killing
> > a Harris County sheriff’s deputy while
> driving
> > drunk was in the country illegally, a judge
> said
> > in court overnight.
>
> Yeah, white US citizens never, ever get into fatal
> car accidents while drunk.
>
> GOP-tards!
>
> LoLz!

Quote

Harvest of death on the Eastern Shore

By Bill Burke, Virginia-Piolot, October 10, 2005

Rogue vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers have been responsible for a string of deadly accidents on the Eastern Shore. Two people were killed and two injured when this Ford Escort driven by a Hispanic farm worker ran a stop sign Oct. 1 in Accomack County.

The Ford Escort was racing north on rural Seaside Road, its occupants headed home from a wedding, when it ran a stop sign at 55 mph.

The driver of a Ford F-150 traveling east through the intersection never saw the Escort, police said.

The T-bone crash killed the driver of the Escort, Rene Leyva-Perez, and 4-year-old Daniel Salazar, who was in the back seat. Daniel’s pregnant mother, Marina Salazar, and the driver of the pickup were injured.

When police arrived, they discovered that Leyva-Perez had no auto insurance or driver’s license – only a laminated ID card issued by the tomato-packing plant where he worked – and that the car was registered to a woman in Chesapeake and had Michigan plates.

The 13 fatal accidents involving Hispanic workers on the Eastern Shore since 2002 have killed 18 people. In all but two incidents, the car that caused the accident had out-of-state plates.

In the Escort’s wreckage, they found empty cans of Modelo Especial – acclaimed in Mexico as “the elite of beers.”...

Since 2002, more than 90 people have been injured and 18 killed on the Eastern Shore in accidents involving Hispanic workers driving rogue vehicles.

The fatalities represent about one-fourth of the 71 highway deaths on the Eastern Shore in that period, even though the year-round Hispanic population makes up only 5 percent of the region’s 51,000 residents. Those numbers swell during tomato-picking season, from July through early November, when most of the fatalities occurred.

Accidents like the one on Oct. 1 have helped make the 77-mile stretch of U.S. 13 from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel to the Maryland state line one of the most treacherous highways in Virginia. In 2003, the fatality rate – deaths per miles driven – on that span of U.S. 13 was more than four times the rates on Interstates 64, 81 and 95 in Virginia.

In all but three of the fatal accidents in which Hispanics were at the wheel, the drivers had no insurance. In most cases, the vehicles had no inspection stickers, the drivers carried no license and alcohol was a factor. The vast majority of the victims in the fatalities were Hispanic....

Fact is LoLzier than libtard fiction.

And you can clearly see that this unlicensed uninsured Hispanic was here so that he could provide CHEAP LABOR to some business. Yet another example of welfare for businesses.

The fact is these wet backs are here illegally and kill. I dont give a shit about legal citizens, thats not what the issue is about.

Reminds me of that illegal greesy haired spic who killed the nuns out past manassas drunk as shit with 1 dui under his belt. These brain dead equator dwelling brown people need to go. Everything from the unemployment rate to the crime rate would go down drastically. Would any of you lib tards move into a all spic hood with your kids to integrate? I dont think so.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> And you can clearly see that this unlicensed
> uninsured Hispanic was here so that he could
> provide CHEAP LABOR to some business. Yet another
> example of welfare for businesses.


Where does the welfare part come in , comrade?
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Bill.N. Wrote:
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> And you can clearly see that this unlicensed
> uninsured Hispanic was here so that he could
> provide CHEAP LABOR to some business. Yet another
> example of welfare for businesses.

So because they are providing cheap labor to a business, this absolves them from any personal responsibility such as having a license, buying insurance, and NOT DRIVING DRUNK????????

Stabitha Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And you can clearly see that this unlicensed
> > uninsured Hispanic was here so that he could
> > provide CHEAP LABOR to some business. Yet
> another
> > example of welfare for businesses.
>
> So because they are providing cheap labor to a
> business, this absolves them from any personal
> responsibility such as having a license, buying
> insurance, and NOT DRIVING DRUNK????????


Don't bother Bill with details like that.

He's not concerned about anything beyond having a good selection of local-grown tomatoes at his neighborhood Whole Foods.

legal white people do the same things stabitha is bitching about 10,000 times over

no license, no insurance and drunk driving

shall we deport white people too? did not think so.....all this just boils down to blind racial ignorance

/thread

9dETd Wrote:
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> legal white people do the same things stabitha is
> bitching about 10,000 times over
>
> no license, no insurance and drunk driving
>
> shall we deport white people too? did not think
> so.....all this just boils down to blind racial
> ignorance
>
> /thread


point being we have more than enough criminals here legally, we dont need any more illegally.

Fail......it boils down to being in the country ILLEGALLY. Throw out all the other crimes committed in this accident by this locust, and he still is GUILTY of being here ILLEGALLY.

Why do libs have such a hard time with this premise?

9dETd Wrote:
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> legal white people do the same things stabitha is
> bitching about 10,000 times over
>
> no license, no insurance and drunk driving
>
> shall we deport white people too? did not think
> so.....all this just boils down to blind racial
> ignorance
>
> /thread


What was it about:

"The fatalities represent about one-fourth of the 71 highway deaths on the Eastern Shore in that period, even though the year-round Hispanic population makes up only 5 percent of the region’s 51,000 residents. Those numbers swell during tomato-picking season, from July through early November, when most of the fatalities occurred.

that you didn't understand?

hang on to your "illegal" rant

1 incident - you lose your shit

100 by "legal" whites and no one cares

yawn, you ignorant fucks are boring

keep yelling "illegal" while it is irrelevant

Stabitha Wrote:
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> Fail......it boils down to being in the country
> ILLEGALLY. Throw out all the other crimes
> committed in this accident by this locust, and he
> still is GUILTY of being here ILLEGALLY.

Yeah, white US citizens never, ever get into fatal car accidents while drunk.

GOP-tards!

LoLz!

J3KcJ Wrote:
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> hang on to your "illegal" rant
>
> 1 incident - you lose your shit
>
> 100 by "legal" whites and no one cares
>
> yawn, you ignorant fucks are boring
>
> keep yelling "illegal" while it is irrelevant

+1

Preach, my rational brother!

GOP-tards!

LoLz!

D'oh! Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fail......it boils down to being in the country
> > ILLEGALLY. Throw out all the other crimes
> > committed in this accident by this locust, and
> he
> > still is GUILTY of being here ILLEGALLY.
>
> Yeah, white US citizens never, ever get into fatal
> car accidents while drunk.
>
> GOP-tards!

Thank you for making my argument with one word......CITIZENS
>
> LoLz!

Stabitha Wrote:
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> D'oh! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stabitha Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Fail......it boils down to being in the
> country
> > > ILLEGALLY. Throw out all the other crimes
> > > committed in this accident by this locust,
> and
> > he
> > > still is GUILTY of being here ILLEGALLY.
> >
> > Yeah, white US citizens never, ever get into
> fatal
> > car accidents while drunk.
> >
> > GOP-tards!
>
> Thank you for making my argument with one
> word......CITIZENS
> >
> > LoLz!


what they are doing lizzie is destroying your argument

the only reason you posted anything is because they are "illegal"

try posting the 1000 "legals" who do the same thing

you can say you do not like "illegals" - OK

but you can NOT cherry-pick a common occurrence of drunk driving and pretend it is an "illegal" problem..........because "legals" do it more than any "illegal" group you dislike

If you can PROVE that getting rid of ALL illegals will make ALL drunk driving disappear, then you can post this dumbshit - you fail at simple logic

TMMvu Wrote:
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> what they are doing lizzie is destroying your
> argument
>
> the only reason you posted anything is because
> they are "illegal"
>
> try posting the 1000 "legals" who do the same
> thing
>
> you can say you do not like "illegals" - OK
>
> but you can NOT cherry-pick a common occurrence of
> drunk driving and pretend it is an "illegal"
> problem..........because "legals" do it more than
> any "illegal" group you dislike
>
> If you can PROVE that getting rid of ALL illegals
> will make ALL drunk driving disappear, then you
> can post this dumbshit - you fail at simple logic

DOWN GOES LIZZIE!

TMMvu Wrote:
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> but you can NOT cherry-pick a common occurrence of
> drunk driving and pretend it is an "illegal"
> problem..........because "legals" do it more than
> any "illegal" group you dislike
>
> If you can PROVE that getting rid of ALL illegals
> will make ALL drunk driving disappear, then you
> can post this dumbshit - you fail at simple logic

Your logic is the failed logic actually. Legal citizens dont drink and drive more than illegal lets just get that out of the way right now, both groups do it in high numbers.

But it seems youre the one whose missed the point completely, if that illegal wasnt in the country that person isnt killed by him.

You can make all the citizens do it too arguments you want, being illegal is the trump card. You dont have to prove that getting rid of illegals would have any effect on drinking and driving to justify deportation, being illegal is justification enough. They should have to wait in line like the law abiding immigrants.

If you want to make an argument for work visas go right ahead. Cut the bullshit though to defending actions by saying other people do it too

Liberal Logic 60 Wrote:
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> TMMvu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > but you can NOT cherry-pick a common occurrence
> of
> > drunk driving and pretend it is an "illegal"
> > problem..........because "legals" do it more
> than
> > any "illegal" group you dislike
> >
> > If you can PROVE that getting rid of ALL
> illegals
> > will make ALL drunk driving disappear, then you
> > can post this dumbshit - you fail at simple
> logic
>
> Your logic is the failed logic actually. Legal
> citizens dont drink and drive more than illegal
> lets just get that out of the way right now, both
> groups do it in high numbers.
>
> But it seems youre the one whose missed the point
> completely, if that illegal wasnt in the country
> that person isnt killed by him.
>
> You can make all the citizens do it too arguments
> you want, being illegal is the trump card. You
> dont have to prove that getting rid of illegals
> would have any effect on drinking and driving to
> justify deportation, being illegal is
> justification enough. They should have to wait in
> line like the law abiding immigrants.
>
> If you want to make an argument for work visas go
> right ahead. Cut the bullshit though to defending
> actions by saying other people do it too


You are wrong on ALL counts. Not liking illegals is OK, but it is not the "trump" card in any scenario. Did this person fuck up? YES. But in no way can you relate ONE crime with ALL of immigration. You can try, but you will fail.

You missed one simple fact - IT IS OK TO DISLIKE ILLEGALS!

You can NOT cherry-pick SINGULAR crimes and correlate them to immigration. You WOULD then have to prove if no illegals then none of that SINGULAR crime ever will happen again.

Here is a simple minded example, so you might understand:

Illegal MURDERS a person.

YOU IDIOTS are outraged about the person being fucking ILLEGAL and not MURDER. And, you think that if immigration was better this would not have happened - your 1+1=3 logic fails. It is simply a tool for simple minded people with set agendas to use to attempt to further their own ideals on immigration.


Another example of your failed logic:

A LEGAL citizen killed a doctor while on cocaine.

If our immigration was better, the LEGAL CITIZEN would have never been able to obtain legal citizenship, AND THEN KILL SOMEONE. See, again 1+1+3 is incorrect.

Another example:

A LEGAL citizen, of Vietnamese heritage, killed your mom.

So, we should have killed ALL VIETNAMESE people during the war, because then your mom would not have been killed by one.

You are wrong and have failed.

wronggggggg Wrote:
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> Liberal Logic 60 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TMMvu Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > but you can NOT cherry-pick a common
> occurrence
> > of
> > > drunk driving and pretend it is an "illegal"
> > > problem..........because "legals" do it more
> > than
> > > any "illegal" group you dislike
> > >
> > > If you can PROVE that getting rid of ALL
> > illegals
> > > will make ALL drunk driving disappear, then
> you
> > > can post this dumbshit - you fail at simple
> > logic
> >
> > Your logic is the failed logic actually. Legal
> > citizens dont drink and drive more than illegal
> > lets just get that out of the way right now,
> both
> > groups do it in high numbers.
> >
> > But it seems youre the one whose missed the
> point
> > completely, if that illegal wasnt in the
> country
> > that person isnt killed by him.
> >
> > You can make all the citizens do it too
> arguments
> > you want, being illegal is the trump card. You
> > dont have to prove that getting rid of illegals
> > would have any effect on drinking and driving
> to
> > justify deportation, being illegal is
> > justification enough. They should have to wait
> in
> > line like the law abiding immigrants.
> >
> > If you want to make an argument for work visas
> go
> > right ahead. Cut the bullshit though to
> defending
> > actions by saying other people do it too
>
>
> You are wrong on ALL counts. Not liking illegals
> is OK, but it is not the "trump" card in any
> scenario. Did this person fuck up? YES. But in no
> way can you relate ONE crime with ALL of
> immigration. You can try, but you will fail.
>
> You missed one simple fact - IT IS OK TO DISLIKE
> ILLEGALS!
>
> You can NOT cherry-pick SINGULAR crimes and
> correlate them to immigration. You WOULD then have
> to prove if no illegals then none of that SINGULAR
> crime ever will happen again.
>
> Here is a simple minded example, so you might
> understand:
>
> Illegal MURDERS a person.
>
> YOU IDIOTS are outraged about the person being
> fucking ILLEGAL and not MURDER. And, you think
> that if immigration was better this would not have
> happened - your 1+1=3 logic fails. It is simply a
> tool for simple minded people with set agendas to
> use to attempt to further their own ideals on
> immigration.
>
>
> Another example of your failed logic:
>
> A LEGAL citizen killed a doctor while on cocaine.
>
>
> If our immigration was better, the LEGAL CITIZEN
> would have never been able to obtain legal
> citizenship, AND THEN KILL SOMEONE. See, again
> 1+1+3 is incorrect.
>
> Another example:
>
> A LEGAL citizen, of Vietnamese heritage, killed
> your mom.
>
> So, we should have killed ALL VIETNAMESE people
> during the war, because then your mom would not
> have been killed by one.
>
> You are wrong and have failed.


So many fallacies in this statement. Logic is not your strong suit. You sprinkle your logical arguments with opinions, false conclusions, disjointed terms and think you're somehow proving or disproving a totally different logical argument?

You failed buster. Failed bad.

If a person were not allowed to be in a place to commit a crime is there causality between the person not being there and the crime not taking place? Yes, there is.

Conversely, if a person was allowed to be at a place they should not be and they then commit a crime, is there causality between the first wrong act and the second? Yes, there is.

Do either of these statements preclude (or allow) crimes from being committed by someone other than the person in the statement? No.

Does someone breaking into a house (e.g. illegal entrant) who then murders the home owner commit one or two crimes? (Answer: two). Does the first crime directly relate to the second? (Answer: yes). Does the first crime make the murderer worse than a murderer who legally went into the house? (Answer: Logically, no. Legally, yes).

Stick to opinion. While even that drips with irrational emotions, at least that's the right place for them.

What does an actor's legal status vis-a-vis immigration have to do with their act(s)?

Not a thing.

/thread.

Smoochie's Ghost Wrote:
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> What does an actor's legal status vis-a-vis
> immigration have to do with their act(s)?
>
> Not a thing.
>
> /thread.


It is a compounding of illegality. Here illegally - doing illegal acts - causing harm to our society. Thus, is supports the argument that we should discourage illegal actors from entering our society. The only way to do that effectively with our current level of capabilities is to try and stop them before they enter and make the consequences such that, if caught, the punishment outweighs the benefit for the vast majority. In other words, do what the rest of the world does and protect our borders and throw anyone caught in jail for 6 months and then deport them.

Details details Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bill.N. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And you can clearly see that this unlicensed
> > > uninsured Hispanic was here so that he could
> > > provide CHEAP LABOR to some business. Yet
> > another
> > > example of welfare for businesses.
> >
> > So because they are providing cheap labor to a
> > business, this absolves them from any personal
> > responsibility such as having a license, buying
> > insurance, and NOT DRIVING DRUNK????????

Not saying the driver isn't also at fault. I am just saying that the faulty immigration policy that let him be here in the first place has little to do with supposed left wing motivations and a great deal to do with employer greed. The overwhelming majority of these immigrants are here for one reason-MONEY. Shut off the flow of money and people like that driver most likely will not be here. Of course that means that businesses will have to hire domestic labor at higher rates and better benefits, which in turn means higher prices for you and me.

> He's not concerned about anything beyond having a
> good selection of local-grown tomatoes at his
> neighborhood Whole Foods.

Nice try but I grow my own. And if all I was concerned about was having a good selection of cheap produce, why would I be attacking a system that makes that possible? Only someone who studies logic at a conservative institution like the Limbaugh institute could come up with that one.

i don't see anything saying he was allowed back in the u.s. - if he jumped the border illegally, how are immigration laws failing us?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2013 11:55AM by localboob.

"He was deported in July 2012, but later returned to the U.S."

It doesn't seem to be a legal problem, but a border problem. Maybe he came in and was detained but released pending another deportation hearing.

wronggggggg Wrote:
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> You are wrong on ALL counts. Not liking illegals
> is OK, but it is not the "trump" card in any
> scenario. Did this person fuck up? YES. But in no
> way can you relate ONE crime with ALL of
> immigration. You can try, but you will fail.
>
>
> You missed one simple fact - IT IS OK TO DISLIKE
> ILLEGALS!
>
> You can NOT cherry-pick SINGULAR crimes and
> correlate them to immigration. You WOULD then have
> to prove if no illegals then none of that SINGULAR
> crime ever will happen again.
>
> Here is a simple minded example, so you might
> understand:
>
> Illegal MURDERS a person.
>
> YOU IDIOTS are outraged about the person being
> fucking ILLEGAL and not MURDER. And, you think
> that if immigration was better this would not have
> happened - your 1+1=3 logic fails. It is simply a
> tool for simple minded people with set agendas to
> use to attempt to further their own ideals on
> immigration.
>
>
> Another example of your failed logic:
>
> A LEGAL citizen killed a doctor while on cocaine.
>
>
> If our immigration was better, the LEGAL CITIZEN
> would have never been able to obtain legal
> citizenship, AND THEN KILL SOMEONE. See, again
> 1+1+3 is incorrect.
>
> Another example:
>
> A LEGAL citizen, of Vietnamese heritage, killed
> your mom.
>
> So, we should have killed ALL VIETNAMESE people
> during the war, because then your mom would not
> have been killed by one.
>
> You are wrong and have failed.

What kind of crazy psycho babble is this?

This is literally so stupid it was hard to comprehend.

If an illegal kills someone had they been prevented from entering the country that murder doesnt happen period.

Theres a huge difference between an illegal immigrant and a legal one. An ILLEGAL one is a criminal already by definition.

If the best you have is the immigration equivalent of race baiting trying to say someone against illegals is against all immigration you need to leave adult conversations to adults because no one is going to waste anymore time responding to bullshit accusations.

The only thing you proved was that reading is hard for you

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Not saying the driver isn't also at fault. I am
> just saying that the faulty immigration policy
> that let him be here in the first place has little
> to do with supposed left wing motivations and a
> great deal to do with employer greed. The
> overwhelming majority of these immigrants are here
> for one reason-MONEY. Shut off the flow of money
> and people like that driver most likely will not
> be here. Of course that means that businesses
> will have to hire domestic labor at higher rates
> and better benefits, which in turn means higher
> prices for you and me.

There is a third option such as work visas. Will that mean those people wont commit a single crime, of course not. But it will at least give you some sort of screening process where you can have some say and likely would be able to reduce it some. That would also allow you to dry up the incentives for a lot of the illegals as the jobs would dry up through the program.

The real take away though is that it doesnt really matter what youre going to do at the border if theres not going to be an internal enforcement at the boarder. Word spreads and theyre well aware in Mexico that if you can make it past the border youre home free. You can just keep trying until you get lucky and get through and then have nothing to fear.