According to Biden, the Democrats will begin their sweeping change by spending time bringing charges against the prior president's administration.

Does an Obama administration really have time and resources to go after people no longer in office? Chasing people around who no longer hold positions in government? When do they get to the part where they improve the country? Is that something reserved for a hopeful second Obama term?

Thank goodness the UK has a free press too, otherwise we would never see this stuff reported.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/03/uselections2008.joebiden

conVince Wrote:
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> According to Biden, the Democrats will begin their
> sweeping change by spending time bringing charges
> against the prior president's administration.
>
> Does an Obama administration really have time and
> resources to go after people no longer in office?
> Chasing people around who no longer hold positions
> in government? When do they get to the part where
> they improve the country? Is that something
> reserved for a hopeful second Obama term?
>
> Thank goodness the UK has a free press too,
> otherwise we would never see this stuff reported.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/03/uselec
> tions2008.joebiden


Wow cool. Was on the fence about all this but knowing this makes me want to vote for Obama. GW and his cronies ruined this country and deserve to be punished.

If crimes were committed they should be prosecuted...

conVince Wrote:
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> According to Biden, the Democrats will begin their
> sweeping change by spending time bringing charges
> against the prior president's administration.
>
> Does an Obama administration really have time and
> resources to go after people no longer in office?
> Chasing people around who no longer hold positions
> in government? When do they get to the part where
> they improve the country? Is that something
> reserved for a hopeful second Obama term?
>
> Thank goodness the UK has a free press too,
> otherwise we would never see this stuff reported.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/03/uselec
> tions2008.joebiden


Yeah right. I love it when people blame the "main stream media" for things. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/biden-rips-bush.html

Stop generalising and talk about some specific issues, Alias.

Here are some issues I would like to talk about.

Sarah Palin on book banning
John McCain on the deficit
Sarah Palin on her "new Crusades"
John McCain on the economy
John Mccain on why we went to Iraq in the first place.
Sarah Palin on her AIP platform.

I got a few more issues if you want, but these will suffice for now.

Sarah, why do you hate your daughter?

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Sarah, why do you hate your daughter?

You have a bit of an unghealthy obsession with Bristol Palin, have I seen you on my show?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? My issue is with her mother's parenting skills.

The more I hear about AIP, the more it sounds like a Christian Identity Group, along the lines of the Freemen and the Order. Not only do they want Alaska to secede. They view the U.S. as an occupying power. They sympathized with Tim McVeigh after the OKC bombing. They want to drive Native Americans out of Alaska. AIP is a radical group. It isn't even fringe. Todd Palin and his son have admitted to being AIP members. Sarah Palin has been to several of their conventions and recorded a speech for them this year. And, there was no FBI background check on Palin. I'm sorry, politics aside, this is very disconcerting.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Do you have a reading comprehension problem? My
> issue is with her mother's parenting skills.

No, I have a problem with major dipshits that infer hate from a situation of which they have no personal knowledge. Is there a thread on "off topic" in which you have not spread your vitriol?

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> They sympathized with Tim McVeigh
> after the OKC bombing.


Still spreading a baseless claim?

I don't think Sarah Palin hates her daughter. But it is obvious she is more interested in being Governor and VP than she is in keeping an eye on what her daughter is up to.

Really, for all you folks that like to harp on others for not actually posting links (and making up crap), lets try and get the story straight rather than spread around more hearsay...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4671858.ece

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Among those who couldn't make it to the Tailgaters bar was Lynette Clark, chair of the Alaskan Independence Party, who last night issued an apology for incorrectly claiming that Palin was once a member of the pro-separatist group. In fact, only Todd Palin was ever a member.

Ms Clark lives just north of Fairbanks, a six hour drive from Wasilla. "My husband and I are both gold miners, and right now we have water flowing through our sluice box, and when that occurs we don't do a lot of socialisin'," she said.

Speaking to The Times before the speech, Ms Clark said she believed that Alaska would one day be independent, and she criticised Mr McCain for having previously campaigned against new oil exploration in the north of the state. But she expressed support for Palin. "I'm very glad she's governor of the state of Alaska, you couldn't find a more apt individual," she said. "In this country, Alaska, they don't care if you're a man or a woman, they care about your word, your reputation. She'd make a fine vice president."

Note, only Todd (her husband) was a member.

Even more interesting:

http://www.akip.org/

Quote

UPDATE September 3, 2008 Noon ADT

It has been brought to our attention that there is a COUNTERFEIT SITE now up on the net. This site is a FRAUD and has infringed our copy write. We are presently seeking legal recourse.

Contrary to initial reports, Vice-President candidate Governor Sarah Palin was never a member of our party. We stand corrected. We issued a press release today. It is posted here to those members of the media who did not recieve it.

Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in 1994.

And lets talk about MISREPORTING...

http://www.akip.org/platform.html

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1. To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.

...

7. To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.

They made a deal with the Federal government when they were brought into the Union, and it sounds like what they are saying is that they did not honor the deal. Fancy that.

Other than that... and not that this really has anything to do with Sarah Palin or John McCain. Other than the fact that her husband was a member - don't you think supporting the KKK (Harry Byrd), or associating with William Ayers (Barrack Obama) is a bit more meaningful if you were trying to put the relevance in its proper place?

Chris Hanson Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
> My
> > issue is with her mother's parenting skills.
>
> No, I have a problem with major dipshits that
> infer hate from a situation of which they have no
> personal knowledge. Is there a thread on "off
> topic" in which you have not spread your vitriol?


Alias, I have a problem with parents forcing their teenage daughter to get married.

Sarah's plan has been well documented, and it greatly disturbs me.

FUNdamental Wrote:

> Sarah's plan has been well documented, and it
> greatly disturbs me.

Who documented it exactly? Again, in another topic I posted the link that pointed out that Levi's mother indicated they were planning to get married before they knew she was pregnant. So other than the fact that Sarah Palin was looking to have the wedding held quietly and privately (understandable), what is the big deal? Nothing has been stated that she is forcing her daughter to get married.

Taking one fact and inferring another thought as fact? I am sure that Levi could have spoken up to the press long before this and told them he was not planning on getting married - he did have a myspace page right? You think his friends would not be out there jumping up and down making noise about it? How about Bristol's friends?

I think the lack of any noise from those sources should be telling enough.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Chris Hanson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
> > My
> > > issue is with her mother's parenting skills.
> >
> > No, I have a problem with major dipshits that
> > infer hate from a situation of which they have
> no
> > personal knowledge. Is there a thread on "off
> > topic" in which you have not spread your
> vitriol?
>
>
> Alias, I have a problem with parents forcing their
> teenage daughter to get married.
>
> Sarah's plan has been well documented, and it
> greatly disturbs me.


Not Alias, but you and Radiofag have a sever paranoia that anyone who disagrees with your nonsense is Alias. I think FUNdamental and Radiofag, I mean phile, are one in the same. Care to come clean about that???

Again, it is not well documented. Well documented would mean a named source. Do you have one?????

Source,

The Anchorage Daily News, and award winning investigative journalism team at the the National Enquirer.

Remember how the Enquirer scooped everyone on OJ, Edwards, Putin, and Robert Blake? Well, they are working on Palin, now.

Anyone is Alaska can vote for a AKIP candidate in the general election - sort of like being a democrat or republican. So while you say, AKIP says, she was never a member - her husband was, is rediculouse.

She shares their vision - she said so herself.

Here is a press release from AKIP. AKIP admits pulling all records of the 1994 convention off their site and confirms Palin did a dvd for them. Imagine

Most recently I have pulled the entire record regarding the Alaskan Independence Partys' 1994 Convention file. I went through all the video, audio and paper records for that function. Something I should have done earlier before making the statement that Governor Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. For that I humbly apologize to Governor Palin, and, to both national and local press, and media.

I, foolishly, repeated and accepted as fact what an officer of this membership shared with myself, and husband Dexter Clark, over a year ago. My statement was incorrect regarding the Governor's membership. What was correct was that Todd Palin was a member, that Sarah as a candidate for Governor appeared at the AIP Convention in 2006, and sent a welcoming DVD to the membership at the 2008 AIP statewide convention. Those truths do not take away my fault in mis-speaking regarding her membership. For that I do take full responsibility. I hold Governor Palin in high regard, I believe she is far and away the best individual Alaska could have as Governor, and as a woman, mother and wife is one of the best examples walking!

Thank you and again, I apologize to all.

Lynette Clark, Chairman
Alaskan Independence Party
September 3, 2008

Radiophile Wrote:
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> >
> Anyone is Alaska can vote for a AKIP candidate in
> the general election - sort of like being a
> democrat or republican. So while you say, AKIP
> says, she was never a member - her husband was, is
> rediculouse.
>
> She shares their vision - she said so herself.

left out an important part of the quote "in upholding the constitution of Alaska." The Alaska Constitution recognizes its position in the United States. Further, the oath of office in the constitution is "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as . . . to the best of my ability."

> Here is a press release from AKIP. AKIP admits
> pulling all records of the 1994 convention off
> their site and confirms Palin did a dvd for them.
> Imagine

Where do they admit pulling the records off their website? They don't admit to that anywhere.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Source,
>
> The Anchorage Daily News, and award winning
> investigative journalism team at the the National
> Enquirer.
>
> Remember how the Enquirer scooped everyone on OJ,
> Edwards, Putin, and Robert Blake? Well, they are
> working on Palin, now.

Sure, the enquirer got the underlying story right - Edwards has a love child. However, certain details in their reporting were way off base. Here, the enquirer was going to scoop the Bristol story, and in this instance as well likely gets details wrong. They know they cannot be sued over the minor details that make stories even more selacious if they are minor enough and plausible based upon an unnamed source. And for people like you and Radiofag that deride "anonymous" posters, why are you putting so much stock in anonymous sources?

Um, if you actually used reading comprehension, you would see that she pulled the tape to REVIEW it, and while doing so, found that Sarah Palin was NOT a member. She does not state that she pulled them off the site.

As far as the governor doing a DVD - I am sure we can see that in many organizations across the board for governors and other legislators. How about we go back and see what kind of civic groups and meetings that Barrack Obama attended before, during and after his run for Illinois State Senator and then to the US Senate and go through all the interesting associations he has. FOr instance, William Ayers comes to mind. Do you think it is good to work for and happily associate with a guy that advocated the violent overthrow of the US Government and went so far as to bomb Federal buildings? Honestly I would be more worried about folks like that, then people that have a legitimate gripe in how they might have been misrepresented when their State was admitted to the Union. Not that I agree with all their issues, but they still seem a bit less "radical" than a guy that was willing to blow people up. Seems a bit more like some folks in the middle east that might like to take issue with most Americans.