The NYT just inadvertently debunked their own opposition to CCW (concealed carrying a weapon) and gave credence to the long standing argument from "gun nuts", like the NRA, that only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/us/in-a-shift-police-advise-taking-an-active-role-to-counter-mass-attacks.html?smid=fb-share&_r=2&;

lulz

Come join the ranks of the Far-Right Tea Party Baggers by purchasing your own concealed carry pistol, pocket knife and flashlight.

And make sure to show off your newly acquired CCW/EDC setup to gun and knife forums:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=64153

i hear all these gun owners talking about what they would do if confronted, time for these macho bastards to put up or shut up, but that takes some gutz. much easier to try to out do your buddy by buying more "toyz"

I like how libtards are like "Why aren't the mass shooters being stopped by Republican NRA gun nuts with their concealed carry pistols, huh?"

We're still a tiny minority (but growing rapidly).

But I'm glad that the libtards are starting to possibly show tiny signs of realizing that we're right about the need to conceal carry weapons in order defend ourselves from both violent crime and mass shootings.

It's common sense.

If someone is trying to mug, rape or murder you; obviously it would be nice to have a firearm on your person.

Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not saying that carrying a gun makes you immune to violent crime. But at least it gives you a chance to fight back.

Yucky24. Wrote:
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> the long standing argument
> from "gun nuts", like the NRA, that only a good
> guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun:
>
> It might be quoted from "gun nuts" but it happens to be 100% correct.

Also, I forgot to add that virtually all of these mass shootings happen in so-called "gun free zones"; making the likelihood of a CCW permit holder saving the day small.

Remove the fucking gun free zones. It's a totally stupid libtard idea. How many evil and deranged criminals will see a "gun free zone" sign and turn around? None.

If you stopped harassing gun owners in general, there'd be a lot more of us walking around everywhere.

An advertised gun free zone makes a criminal foam at the mouth. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

don't mistake me... i 100% believe anyone who wants to legally own a gun should, and has a right to (2nd ammend.)... doesn't change the fact that i worry about inexperienced and/or mentally unstable people walking around with the things... half of this country lacks the common sense to legally operate a motor vehicle, much less a weapon. and people drive everyday... not saying guns should be banned, just that owning one does not make a person responsible, and not evryone has the motivation to take a course and learn something

the right should be fighting gun bans by pushing for more robust education on firearm use and safety. a booklet in a daisy bb gun box ain't going to cut it (but hey, teach kids young). too bad our "leaders" can't figure this out

nadsgoboom Wrote:
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> don't mistake me... i 100% believe anyone who
> wants to legally own a gun should, and has a right
> to (2nd ammend.)... doesn't change the fact that i
> worry about inexperienced and/or mentally unstable
> people walking around with the things... half of
> this country lacks the common sense to legally
> operate a motor vehicle, much less a weapon. and
> people drive everyday... not saying guns should be
> banned, just that owning one does not make a
> person responsible, and not evryone has the
> motivation to take a course and learn something


And yet there are very few shootings that occur every year compared to the number of motorvehicle accidents. How many CCW permit holders go out and murder people every year? Half the country might lack the common sense to operate a motor vehicle, what ever that means, but you lack common sense in what you worry about.

VX7nm... you are rational and make too much sense... get the fuck off this website... only tin-foil hat psychos and shithole plumbing libz are allowed here

I actually agree that this sudden popularization of firearms will have a ultimately probably have a negative effect on the gun rights movement due to higher rates of gun violence.

I really only want Far-Right Patriot gun nut types carrying these weapons who happily train with firearms as one of their main hobbies in life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFqCHa0JiUc

^People like this can genuinely be trusted with firearms and to save your ass since they're fast and accurate. I highly recommend IPSC (and similar shooting competitions) for gun owners since it's honestly better firearms training than even what the U.S. military receives.

But thanks to the recent spread of gun nut culture in America, there's now way too many gamer nerds, mud people and just general losers in general with kitted out AR-15s in their closets and pistols in their pockets.

The best evidence of this is all this zombie themed shit in the gun community now. How immature and trashy.

It's only a matter of time before more of these degenerate whackos snap one day and let loose on random people again.

We also see way, way too many stories about retards accidentally shooting themselves or randomly committing suicide.

I know what the solution is but it will never happen: Only those with high-IQs, a sound mind and those who attend regular firearms training should be able to own firearms.

As crazy as it sounds, I guess the most practical solution in modern America is simply for more people to arm themselves up to take out these mass shooters when they strike again.

Eh. Screw my shitty speed typing.

Evidence suggests that very few shootings are stopped by armed citizens. People have a right to open carry or concealed carry, that's not a point of dispute for me. I would be very hesitant to let untrained civilians attempt to stop anybody unless there's no other choice. Off-duty or retired cops are fine. Same thing with retired soldiers.

Joe 6-pack is liable to get himself killed if he starts firing his gun at somebody with an AR-15.

I've no problem with concealed carry. Believe me, if 3 guys are coming at me, I have no problem putting .45 ACP rounds into them.

Yucky24. Wrote:
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> But thanks to the recent spread of gun nut culture in America, there's now way too many gamer nerds, mud people and just general losers in general with kitted out AR-15s in their closets and pistols in their pockets
> The best evidence of this is all this zombie
> themed shit in the gun community now. How immature
> and trashy.
>
> It's only a matter of time before more of these
> degenerate whackos snap one day and let loose on
> random people again.
>
> We also see way, way too many stories about
> retards accidentally shooting themselves or
> randomly committing suicide.

this, a decent solution would be to hire ex-military (who struggle to find jobs) as range techs/instructors and ramp up firearm education. i realize not all soldiers are stable after war, but the vast majority are capable. i would trust someone who had to carry a weapon on a daily basis, and is well versed in shoot/no-shoot training/situations. lets face it, guns aren't going away, education is the only way. the uber-geeks are ruining gun ownership for all... the ones that claim PTSD after playing call of duty... just little sheeple pussies. going to the range these days equals hipster retards trying to outdo the next guy with their "stuff". leave everyone else alone and learn some proficiency.

nadsgoboom Wrote:
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> don't mistake me... i 100% believe anyone who
> wants to legally own a gun should, and has a right
> to (2nd ammend.)... doesn't change the fact that i
> worry about inexperienced and/or mentally unstable
> people walking around with the things... half of
> this country lacks the common sense to legally
> operate a motor vehicle, much less a weapon. and
> people drive everyday... not saying guns should be
> banned, just that owning one does not make a
> person responsible, and not evryone has the
> motivation to take a course and learn something

Thats true for everything there will always be bad apples.

The mentally ill that want to hurt people though dont need guns to do it. If thats their ultimate objective they will find a way. Part of a common sense approach is realizing that when the problem lies with the individual taking away a single tool doesnt solve the underlying issue. While you acknowledge this, far too many people do not.

You underestimate the average CCW permit holder in my opinion. This idea that your average CCW permit holder is some retarded amateur who will probably cause more harm than good doesn't really smack me as being realistic.

I've watched numerous vids on Youtube of civilian CCW permit holders using their firearms in the "streets" and they actually do pretty darn good.

I'm actually amazed at how successful they almost always are.

For example, they're being robbed at gun point, and even by several "Obama supporters" (aka mud people) at once, and yet they still manage to somehow access their pistols and fight them off.

It's fucking epic.

Thankfully, most feral chimp criminals (aka brown people) are very similar to the primitive animals that you encounter in the wild. In the same way that a pack of hyenas is easily scared off by the loud explosion from firearms; so, too, are feral packs of spics and nigs as soon you whip out that pistol and start shooting away.

The most hilarious example would probably be that old White grandmother who chased 3 or 4 armed nigs out of her store with a freaking .22 LR pistol (a step up from a BB gun).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16XVACOryRw

You also grossly overestimate the firearms competence of your average police officer. Most police officers (and most soldiers) can't shoot for shit. I'll take an average IPSC guy over your average cop any day in firearms skill.

And oh, yeah. Forgot to add the obvious observation that most mass shooters aren't tactical gurus. They're usually little degenerate Gollum looking freaks like that Adam Lanza piece of shit.

So, your average CCW permit holder doesn't need to be Rambo to save the day. All he has to do is take out his gun, point it at the bad guy, make sure there's no innocent people in the line of fire and blast away. It's actually really not that complicated.

The CCW permit holder will also have the element of surprise on his side. The mass shooter is probably just blasting away trying to kill as many people as possible for the police or security arrives. He probably won't notice that some random person in the crowd in civilian clothes is getting ready to shoot back at him.

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> Evidence suggests that very few shootings are
> stopped by armed citizens. People have a right to
> open carry or concealed carry, that's not a point
> of dispute for me. I would be very hesitant to let
> untrained civilians attempt to stop anybody unless
> there's no other choice. Off-duty or retired cops
> are fine. Same thing with retired soldiers.

Not really an honest statistic. The real reason why very few are stopped that way is because very few happen somewhere where someone else is armed. Theyre almost always in gun free zones where anyone obeying the law wouldnt be carrying.

> Joe 6-pack is liable to get himself killed if he
> starts firing his gun at somebody with an AR-15.

Hes also liable to get himself killed by being in a place being shot up.

Its not a full proof method but if youre in such a situation youll pick having your own gun over being disarmed 100 out of 100 times. The gun at least gives you a fighting chance which is all you can ask for.

> I've no problem with concealed carry. Believe me,
> if 3 guys are coming at me, I have no problem
> putting .45 ACP rounds into them.

Neither would most people when their life in on the line.

The thing a lot of people forget is that the police are a reactive force, something has to happen for them to respond. They also dont go running into active shootings like on tv, they set a perimeter wait for backup/swat team then proceed in cautiously. They have no interest in dying either. By the time thats all said and done the shooters been roaming free for 20-30 minutes if not longer.

Saying the gun would stop this is foolish, but its also foolish to say its too dangerous for them to try or it wouldnt do any good. Even if it only worked 20% of the time thats still 1 out of 5 of those that do get stopped which is 1 more than the police will stop.

Yucky24. Wrote:
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> The NYT just inadvertently debunked their own
> opposition to CCW (concealed carrying a weapon)
> and gave credence to the long standing argument
> from "gun nuts", like the NRA, that only a good
> guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/us/in-a-shift-po
> lice-advise-taking-an-active-role-to-counter-mass-
> attacks.html?smid=fb-share&_r=2&
>
> lulz
>
> Come join the ranks of the Far-Right Tea Party
> Baggers by purchasing your own concealed carry
> pistol, pocket knife and flashlight.
>
> And make sure to show off your newly acquired
> CCW/EDC setup to gun and knife forums:
>
> http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=64153
Attachments:

Most people can't drive or even navigate through the supermarket, and you want them to carry guns?

This is how it should be...

http://www.guns.com/2013/04/05/two-armed-citizens-end-armed-robbers-crime-spree/

Arizona is gun nut central. Being a criminal there is a bad idea. Almost every single Romney supporting Redneck in that state is packing heat.

If you try to rob a store in a Republican voting district, be prepared to deal with virtually everyone pointing a gun at you.

Liberals always whine just give a criminal what he wants. Well if what he wants is to kill me what do I have to lose by trying to stop him whether or not I have a gun.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/04/05/two-suspects-jailed-one-shot-after-burger-king-robbery/




MIAMI (CBSMiami) – An alleged robber, accused of targeting a family inside a Burger King restaurant Friday afternoon, didn’t have it his way. Instead, he got shot.

The robbery happened inside the Burger King located at Biscayne Boulevard and 17th Street, Miami Police said. Police arrested the alleged robber and getaway driver a few blocks away from the restaurant and say they may also be involved in another day robbery that happened earlier in the day.Travis Trenard Harris and Ramon Smalls both face charges in connection with the robberies.


Police say it all started about 10:15 in the morning when two men stole a woman’s cell phone near 2200 Northeast 4th Avenue and drove off in a silver pickup truck. Police say Ramon Smalls was the driver of that truck and police say Smalls was the driver again during the robbery at the Burger King a few hours later. A family of three was eating lunch when police say Travis Trenard Harris went into the Burger King, pulled a gun, and stole their cell phones, but he didn’t get far before police say one of the victims pulled a his own gun and shot Harris.

“I just heard a bunch of gunshots go off. I came outside I called 911 and I saw an F-150 peel out and dip out northbound on second ave,” said Aaron Goldstein.

Police say the injured suspect got into the truck, but the truck needed gas and didn’t get very far. Surveillance video reveals the two suspects went to a nearby gas station, where police came, drew their guns and arrested them. “We were able to detain two people one of whom had been shot in the leg,” said Officer Kenia Reyes, of the Miami Police Department.

Police say Harris was taken to the hospital and arrested. He faces three counts of armed robbery with a firearm.
Ramon Smalls faces a strong armed robbery charge for the morning incident and, police say, possible additional charges in connection with the robbery at the restaurant.

So a guy robs a family of their cellphones, and the dad shoots him after he leaves the store. That is disproportionate force. Yeah, the robber could have shot him - but he didn't. He was leaving. The dad should have been arrested too - especially since he may have endangered others shooting that gun.

This is the slippery slope you get into when any moron who thinks he's Rambo can carry a gun.

Yeah, That's inspiring Wrote:
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> So a guy robs a family of their cellphones, and
> the dad shoots him after he leaves the store. That
> is disproportionate force. Yeah, the robber could
> have shot him - but he didn't. He was leaving. The
> dad should have been arrested too - especially
> since he may have endangered others shooting that
> gun.
>
> This is the slippery slope you get into when any
> moron who thinks he's Rambo can carry a gun.


Wrong.

If someone pulls a gun to rob you, they have proven they are dangerous. Shoot them in the back if you want.

Yeah, That's inspiring Wrote:
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> So a guy robs a family of their cellphones, and
> the dad shoots him after he leaves the store. That
> is disproportionate force. Yeah, the robber could
> have shot him - but he didn't. He was leaving. The
> dad should have been arrested too - especially
> since he may have endangered others shooting that
> gun.


If the robber didnt want to get shot you could have you know, not been robbing people at gun point.

The father also didnt know the robber was leaving and neither do you, so he was walking away nothing says he wouldnt have snapped or decided to just shooting people.

Maybe he did use a little too much force. Its easy to sit behind a keyboard and be critical of what he should have done when its not your family in the same room as a guy pulling a gun on people. By no means should he have been arrested too.

The amount of stupidity oozing from libtards never ceases to amaze me.

Ermergerd. You shot an armed criminal in the back as he was running away. You murderer! Enjoy prison, bitch!1

*facepalm*

Here's hoping you and your entire family get raped to death by a pack of nigs.

Armed Northern California shop owner catches burglar after multiple break ins.

OROVILLE (CBS13) – After a string of burglaries at his Oroville store, a fed-up business owner fought back to catch the crooks.

Darin Fowler says he camped out at his business and confronted the burglar.



“This is my property; I’m going to defend it,” he said.

Over the past three months, Fowler says he’s felt pretty defenseless.

“They were taking chain saws, weed eaters, lawn mowers. They would remove complete generator heads off generators,” he said.


OROVILLE (CBS13) – After a string of burglaries at his Oroville store, a fed-up business owner fought back to catch the crooks.

Darin Fowler says he camped out at his business and confronted the burglar.



“This is my property; I’m going to defend it,” he said.

Over the past three months, Fowler says he’s felt pretty defenseless.

“They were taking chain saws, weed eaters, lawn mowers. They would remove complete generator heads off generators,” he said.

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no pussy liberal Wrote:
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> Liberals always whine just give a criminal what he
> wants. Well if what he wants is to kill me what do
> I have to lose by trying to stop him whether or
> not I have a gun.


+1. It is our fault they are criminals after all.