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Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 21, 2008 04:45AM

it would seem it's not only the US who doing like the fence-jumping illegal aliens.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7466218.stm

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Latin America outraged at EU plan
Leaders across Latin America have reacted angrily to a new EU law that could jail illegal immigrants for up to 18 months before they are deported.


One president called it a hate initiative. Another said it was an attack on people's rights and lives.

Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans live and work in Europe, many of them without permission.

Many do jobs that Europeans do not want to do, providing a vital source of income for poor families back home.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez led the reaction, threatening to cut oil exports to Europe unless the EU retracted the measure.

Rafael Correa, the Ecuadorean leader, made the statement that Latin American countries should present a united front against what he called a hate initiative.

Bolivian President Evo Morales said Latin America should work with Africa against laws that he said attacked people's rights and lives.

The European Union on Wednesday adopted the measures, which could come into force in 2010.

The law will oblige EU members to choose between issuing residency permits to the estimated half a million illegal immigrants who enter each year, or returning them to their country of origin.

The head of the South American Mercosur trade bloc, Carlos Alvarez, believes the new measure openly violates human rights.

He said the EU should remember that in the past, millions of Europeans came to Latin America as victims of hunger, war, injustice and totalitarian regimes, and were assimilated with no problems.

Peruvian human rights spokesman Wilfredo Ardito said the new law was a hypocritical effort to make it illegal to be poor.

someone turn on the vince signal!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 21, 2008 08:16AM

Well...well...well here I am. It's always interesting how people pick and choose to compare ourselves to Europe. On the political side we curse those damn socialist who provide a shorter work week..healthcare...and a strong Euro. Now because a continent that has a 1000 year history of division and war and prejudice (just look at how the British hate the French) we want to emulate them. In my case Id rather emulate the positives of a society not the negative...Dexter here feels otherwise. There are a number of factors going on here...they have a long history as non-immigration based societies...our history is based on immigration. Europe is a much more a secular society then we are...in this regard I respect them...but they do not have the history of freedom of/from religion that we have and are therefor more fearful of a group that introduces a strong religious tradition into their country. Europes immigrants are often have no path to citizenship thereby creating a permanent second class which can never fully intergrate into the politicial system causing a natural friction point between citizens and the immigrants. Europe more then us needs immigrants...they arent breeding sufficiently to even replace themselves...so, just because they are nervous about immigrants...they need them...even more then we do. And change is never easy.

Again...we can choose to learn from some of Europe's better traits and they ours or we can all try to sink to the least common denominator. Dexter seems to think we should sink to their level of treatment to immigrants.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/21/2008 04:57PM by Vince(1).

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Re: Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 21, 2008 09:02AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Well...well...well here I am.


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yeah... i didnt read what you wrote because you just spout the same hate speach.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 21, 2008 10:16AM

how very odd that a person who can post the picure of an animal being blugoned to death calls what I say as "hate speach". Dexter..we need to talk..this is unacceptable..you are attracting attention to yourself.

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Re: Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 21, 2008 02:05PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> how very odd that a person who can post the picure
> of an animal being blugoned to death calls what I
> say as "hate speach". Dexter..we need to
> talk..this is unacceptable..you are attracting
> attention to yourself.



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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Lurker.. ()
Date: June 21, 2008 02:25PM

Spain is thinking about paying legal immigrants to leave

Spain will pay unemployed migrant workers to leave
The incentive program marks a shift in Spain's lenient immigration policies.
By Lisa Abend and Geoff Pingree
from the June 20, 2008 edition

Correspondent Geoff Pingree talks about Spain's plan to pay immigrant workers to go home.Europe ratchets up its pressure on immigrants
The E.U. voted to allow longer detentions for illegals and to standardize deportation rules. Read more...
Madrid - Just a year ago, the Spanish government was contracting workers in countries like Ecuador and Morocco to fill jobs in its booming economy. Now it has adopted a new measure designed to entice those same immigrants to go home. As Spain suffers from the world economic crisis, it is losing more and more jobs, and the new proposal seeks to offer unemployment compensation to out-of-work migrants who leave.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0620/p12s01-woeu.html

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Re: Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 21, 2008 04:46PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > how very odd that a person who can post the
> picure
> > of an animal being blugoned to death calls what
> I
> > say as "hate speach". Dexter..we need to
> > talk..this is unacceptable..you are attracting
> > attention to yourself.
>
>
>


How very Dexterist of you. These violent threats should not be tolerated.

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Re: Europe is also unhappy with illegal aliens. - Latin America outraged at EU plan
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: June 21, 2008 04:48PM

Lurker.. Wrote:
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> Spain is thinking about paying legal immigrants to
> leave
>
> Spain will pay unemployed migrant workers to
> leave
> The incentive program marks a shift in Spain's
> lenient immigration policies.
> By Lisa Abend and Geoff Pingree
> from the June 20, 2008 edition
>
> Correspondent Geoff Pingree talks about Spain's
> plan to pay immigrant workers to go home.Europe
> ratchets up its pressure on immigrants
> The E.U. voted to allow longer detentions for
> illegals and to standardize deportation rules.
> Read more...
> Madrid - Just a year ago, the Spanish government
> was contracting workers in countries like Ecuador
> and Morocco to fill jobs in its booming economy.
> Now it has adopted a new measure designed to
> entice those same immigrants to go home. As Spain
> suffers from the world economic crisis, it is
> losing more and more jobs, and the new proposal
> seeks to offer unemployment compensation to
> out-of-work migrants who leave.
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0620/p12s01-woeu.htm
> l


Well...at least they seem to have a humane approach to their immigration issue in this instance. Thats more then I can say about the feeling here that we should round all of them up and send them back!

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