why would San Francisco care about this, I reckon?

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-killed-in-fiery-crash-in-Fairfax-County-3783799.php

Franconia Rd still closed off at Van Dorn at this time while FCPD figures out how to CYA this up LoLz
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Looks like the cop has crossed the line.
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Just curious, but why do you read SF news on Monday morning?

Gordon lives by there and heard the crash & searched for info.

When a police car gets in a head-on with another car, which in turn brusts into flames....that's newsworthy, even nationally...

Well, that's one pig that got smoked...

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> When a police car gets in a head-on with another
> car, which in turn brusts into flames....that's
> newsworthy, even nationally...


It's rare when a car brusts into flames.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> why would San Francisco care about this, I
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> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-killed-in-f
> iery-crash-in-Fairfax-County-3783799.php


My guess is that the online version of the SF paper has a bot that picks up AP stories without a lot of filtering as to level of interest. Better question is why did this hit the AP newswire?

Looks like the cop fell asleep and drifted across the median into oncoming traffic

Accident happened pretty late at night. Bet he was pretty tired and dozed off.


And the cop wasn't the one smoked it looks like. No flame damage to the cruiser

The non-cop car went up in flames and the driver of that car was killed. It is easy to see the cop falling asleep, but we'll wait and see on that one. If it was the FCPD officer's fault, the county is going to be paying someone a lot of money for a long time.

Maybe they thought it was from Fairfax, California.
Still don't know why AP picked it up.
Was this even in the local news?

Oops - I see it on WTOP.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/2012 05:46PM by Scott Lehman.

Angle off-set head on type of collisions cause significant rotation. These pictures show the final resting place of the cars. No one can tell from these pics who caused what.

One man is dead and a police officer is in the hospital after a serious crash in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County.

The head-on crash happened near the intersection of Franconia Road and Gum Street shortly after 3 a.m.

A westbound police officer was responding to an emergency when a vehicle headed eastbound veered into his lane lane.

The crash caused a fire. The officer was able to radio that he was trapped in his cruiser and was rescued. The citizen driver died in the fire.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/2012 05:45PM by Scott Lehman.

Was the officer responding to a call? If so were the lights on?


Case of driver falling asleep and the officer was unlucky

6X Wrote:
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> Looks like the cop has crossed the line.


How the hell did you figure this one out. No really, was this just a guess or I know, I know....you are just making crap up. You can't even see the other car. You cant even see where the vehicles first impacted in this picture.

Wait for it.....

Wait for it....


The dumb ass trying to promote his book to post another quote that has nothing to do with this accident what so ever.....he should be along soon.

3am? We talkin' 'bout...3AM?!?!

Reports say the Infiniti veered suddenly into Five-Oh's lane...at 3am. My money is on one or any combination herein:

1) It's an Asian car so, some non-OEM ricer part fell off of it and caused the steering to go wack.

2) Drunk

3) Cell Phone

4) A brown savage at the wheel

NBC 4 is reporting officer was responding to "emergency" call. No info about lights and sirens. No interview with the police at the scene.

ABC 7 has a reporter interviewing a poilce officer stating the police car did not have lights and sirens on because he was not responding to an emergency.

Wonder why two different news channels are reporting such different versions. Why has NBC 4 not posted their interview with the officer so everybody can see what was told to the reporter.

Fox 5 is also reporting the officer was not responding to an emergency. SO why is NBC 4 the only news reporting that the officer was? Is NBC 4 making the news details up to get more interest in their coverage??

Cop could have been responding to a call but not necessarily an emergency?

Didn't see anything about the cop speeding either. Doubt anyone really knows anything right now if the cop is still in the hospital.

The cop was apparently going eastbownd in the far right lane and the car swerved three lanes over and head-on"ed" the cop car near the intersection of Franconia and Gum St. The driver was probably attempting to make a left turn onto Old Rolling Rd because he had just missed his left turn onto Brookland Rd. which was his normal route home. (He lived in an old house right behind the McDonalds on the north side of Franconia between these two streets). The cop car is reported not to have been using lights and sirens, so thr other driver may not have seen him. I hope this was an accident. I hope he had not been drinking and I hope it was not intentional, but knowing this individual either thing could be possible.

It's possible he intentially put his car head-on into another car?

@Rex - sirens or not, cop musta had headlights on @ 3 in the morning - kinda hard to believe you could miss that sorta thing middle of the night, is all - headlights coming at you, I mean.

I do not want to speak ill of the dead. He was a good friend. But I understand he had lately been having some issues. I hope and pray he didn't see the cop car and that it was just a horrible accident. RIP Jeff.

Oh, I'd also like to add...

5) Police Assisted Suicide

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> Just curious, but why do you read SF news on
> Monday morning?

M4M ads?

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> 5) Police Assisted Suicide


Sucide By Cop usually involves shooting, though it is amazing how easy you could just turn the wheel into an 18 wheeler moving down the road, say out on RT 15 and that would end your trip real quick.

If the police car was responding to an emergency as reported, but also was not using lights and sirens as also reported, the police car was probably still speeding to get to the scene of the emergency. The driver of the car probably was turning left onto Old Rolling Rd to go home to his house, but may have misjudged the high speed of the responding police car, finally realized how fast the cop car was coming, that he didn't have time to make the left in front of him, and that they would collide, tried to negotiate back to the right to avoid the collision and ended up facing the police cruiser head-on at impact. The police reported that the driver "swerved wildly over three lanes" which, were it the fact, make the accident the fault of the other driver and not the cop, but the other driver may have only been turning left, and the cop probably was speeding.

Rex, It's probably best that you don't share personal information about Jeff on here. Things like where he lived or any personal issues he may have had are best left out of FU.

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> Rex, It's probably best that you don't share
> personal information about Jeff on here. Things
> like where he lived or any personal issues he may
> have had are best left out of FU.

We will find out. And when we do, we will be relentless.

I know, but no need to spoon feed you.

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> @Rex - sirens or not, cop musta had headlights on
> @ 3 in the morning - kinda hard to believe you
> could miss that sorta thing middle of the night,
> is all - headlights coming at you, I mean.


Apparently the facts indicate that it is indeed not hard to hot a cop car at night at 3am without the sirens.


Also, wormfood.

Maybe no see 4,000 poundo crowno victoria-o policia interceptoro como downo tho-oh roado.

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> How the hell did you figure this one out. No
> really, was this just a guess or I know, I
> know....you are just making crap up. You can't
> even see the other car. You cant even see where
> the vehicles first impacted in this picture.


His car is on the wrong side of the yellow line...He crossed the line.

Franconia Rd. has two lanes going east, two lanes going west and one center lane shared for cars turning north or south.

from "Out of control: An informal history of the Fairfax County Police"


THE NAKED COFFEE GUY CASE
On October 19, 2009, Erick Williamson of Springfield was arrested for drinking coffee in the nude in his kitchen. The idiocy started when the wife of a police officer phoned her husband to complain that she was looking into the victim’s house and saw him naked.
The arrest, dubbed the Naked Guy case, made international headlines and, once again, the Fairfax Police, made the county look ridiculous in the eyes of the world. (The first time being the raids on bars to search for drunks, the second being the "this ain’t America no more" election day video recording.)
By their own admission, police raided the house, in force, with guns drawn ("just in case we encountered a hostile individual," the officers explained) and with no warrant to enter the property, where they found the culprit asleep…with his pants on.
After they pulled him outside onto his lawn, a cop asked Williamson if he could take his picture. Williamson said no. The cop took the picture anyway and showed it to the woman who had complained, and asked her for positive identification, which they got. They returned to the house and arrested Williamson. It took a jury less than twenty minutes to find Williamson not guilty.

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> > How the hell did you figure this one out. No
> > really, was this just a guess or I know, I
> > know....you are just making crap up. You can't
> > even see the other car. You cant even see where
> > the vehicles first impacted in this picture.
>
>
> His car is on the wrong side of the yellow
> line...He crossed the line.
>
> Franconia Rd. has two lanes going east, two lanes
> going west and one center lane shared for cars
> turning north or south.


You do realize that a high speed impact wont result in both cars staying exactly where they are and they'll probably travel for a good deal more, right?

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> > How the hell did you figure this one out. No
> > really, was this just a guess or I know, I
> > know....you are just making crap up. You can't
> > even see the other car. You cant even see where
> > the vehicles first impacted in this picture.
>
>
> His car is on the wrong side of the yellow
> line...He crossed the line.
>
> Franconia Rd. has two lanes going east, two lanes
> going west and one center lane shared for cars
> turning north or south.


So all in all....if two cars hit each other at an angle at the speeds typical for that roadway, the cars will not "freeze land" in the position they were in at the moment of impact.

This is called physics. And you're all a bunch of fucking retards if you think the shitty picture provided is enough to determine where the cars were at moment of impact.

Don't confuse the fucking retards with facts.....please.

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> > How the hell did you figure this one out. No
> > really, was this just a guess or I know, I
> > know....you are just making crap up. You can't
> > even see the other car. You cant even see where
> > the vehicles first impacted in this picture.
>
>
> His car is on the wrong side of the yellow
> line...He crossed the line.
>
> Franconia Rd. has two lanes going east, two lanes
> going west and one center lane shared for cars
> turning north or south.

Are you retarded? Have you ever seen a head on collision? Cars dont just end up where the collision occured. If so, what happened to the other car? Did it vanish or just completely melt in the fire?

In all seriousness, during a head on collision vehicles rotate. If the other vehicle was crossing in front of the cop (from the cops left to right as it would of in this scenario), the cops vehicle would have more then likely of rotated clockwise. The majority of the time, rotating vehicles don't rotate on a dime. Assuming both vehicle were traveling at the speed limit (45MPH?) there is quite a bit of energy that has to be "burnt off" before they come to rest. As the cops vehicle is rotating, which it likely did more then one complete rotation, its burning off its Kinetic Energy. During this its not only spinning but also traveling across the roadway or into the oncoming lanes.

Also, we dont know where the other can ended up. It is also possible the final resting spot of the cops car (in the picture) is the lane he was traveling in and it rotated right where the collision occured.

This is why often times when you have a head on collision cars end up off the roadway or into telephone poles, parked cars, etc.

In short, we know nearly no facts about this accident yet. We shouldn't come to conclusions yet about either driver.

WoW, when I said he crossed the line it was a pun. I didn't say it was before the accident. If the cop was going west he is on the wrong side of the line. How he got there I don't know. Both cars ended up in the east bound lanes near Gordons house
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OP asked why this made the news in San Francisco... Because newspapers pick up online stories from AP, Reuters, Washington Post, NYT, etc. based on search parameters.

I bet the San Francisco media has it set to look for any stories from Fairfax... Fairfax, California which is a suburb just outside San Francisco. So, they goofed and picked up a Fairfax, Virginia story.

@ Rex: If it was indeed you're friend that you lost in the car, sorry to hear that. But you're assumption of what might have happened doesn't make much sense or you have you're sense of direction mixed up.

From what I think we all understand from what we've read, the Police car was going east on 644. Also, as we have read and is quite obvious from the pictures it was a head on collision.

You've stated yourself about the car going eastbound and the other driver possible turning left onto Brookland, which there is no way that could have happened because you can't turn left onto Brookland if you are going West, since that street is on his right, and doesn't continue across 644. I'm going to assume you got you're east and west mixed up.

I happened to be driving by the scene around 7:15 AM, and at the time the cops were huddled around the deceased car with white sheets, blocking the gruesome view as they attempted to remove his body, with the gurney waiting nearby with a bodybag on top....

The picture above really tells you all you need to know of the resting place of the vehicles, as well as what I remembered when I drove by the scene. I checked google maps street view to make sure where I thought the cars rested were correct, given the Shell gas station in the background is on the side of 644 West....

The Police car was in the Eastbound lane of 644, in the intersection of 644 and Gum Street, facing WEST. The car of the deceased, obviously was about 8-10 feet away in the same intersection, same side of the road, facing South down Gum Street.

My own assumption is that the deceased tried to turn left onto Gum St. from 644 west in front of the cop car going 644 East and as the car was turning the cop care tried to turn to the left to avoid the direction he was going but with the speed both were traveling at, they met head on.

Check your facts. There is a lot of confusion about those. There were some news stories that got the directions mixed up, but it is impossible to determine which. Here is a link taht confirms the civilian vehicle was going east, the cop cruiser was going west. Not the other way around. http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/police-investigate-fatal-crash-franconia-road-closed

If this was the case then it is possible the civilian driver was just making a left turn as rex indicated. We may never know for sure.

Ok, I'm 6x, but which way was the cars going?

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2012/081312fatalcrashfranconiaroad.htm

http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/police-investigate-fatal-crash-franconia-road-closed

1) Dash cam will answer questions.
2) Kamikaze? Maybe someone angry at the police?

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> 1) Dash cam will answer questions.
> 2) Kamikaze? Maybe someone angry at the police?

Yes! dash cam

From "Out of Control: An Informal History of the Fairfax County Police"

SPEAKING OF ABUSING CHILDREN…………………….
“When honor and the Law no longer stand on the same side of the line, how do we choose?” Anne Bishop

On July 2, 1975, a Fairfax County cop was convicted of assaulting a 16-year old boy. The judge found that the cop punched the boy in the face after the boy got into a fight with a teenage friend of the cop. The police leaped into action and sent the cop home WITH PAY after the conviction.

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> 2) Kamikaze? Maybe someone angry at the police?


FCPD hasn't had dashcams since 2010.



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You're not even trying anymore.

hmmmmm....dont recall seeing where someone was "speaking of abusing children". You must of copied and pasted the wrong story from your shitty book.

As far as your stories, do you have any facts to back them up? Didnt think so!

I bought your book and to be honest, I wish it was longer. Kinda sucks I can only take two more shits before I have to run and grab toilet paper.

Back to topic.....

David R:

The link you posted says "The man's car was heading west and hit the police car, which was heading east, responding to an emergency, according to NBC4......"

Now before I call tell YOU to "check you're own facts" yourself, I'll keep in mind that the Kingstown Patch updated their article in to be in line with what most media outlets confirmed and what Fairfax Co. Police stated in their press release today.

Another point on another comment you made..."If this was the case then it is possible the civilian driver was just making a left turn as rex indicated. We may never know for sure....."

I already made the comment that he was possibly trying to make a left hand turn, but onto Gum St. There was little to NO debris on 644 Westbound lanes, just about all of it in the EASTbound lanes.

It's not that rare for a car to burst into flames...my son's did...please be aware that somewhere tonight a family is grieving a son, brother, grandson, nephew, etc. (I'm assuming the other driver was a male). Please be kind in your comments, because they eventually will read this.

Some FCPD cruisers have drive-cam, and some do not.
Every cruiser has a GPS indicator that denotes time, speed, and direction of travel. So does the fire department. So, looking at the records, it's not hard to determine where the police car was headed, and how fast it was going. (a simple FOIA request will tell you).
The officer was driving east, the other guy was traveling west on Franconia road.
He (the wormfood) was driving at a very high rate of speed, I'm guessing.

A collision occurred that killed a man

I'm guessing the cop was doing 45-50 and the other guy was doing 65-70 based on the damage and fact that the other car burst into flames (also, the civilian died and the cop lived, meaning that the civilian was probably going faster; I.E. driving more like an asshole)

Have any of you drive for Franconia road between South Van Dorn and Rose Hill Drive? You know that big sweeping bend near he auto-zone, the post office, etc... Between Jane way and la vista? People regularly speed through that roadway and very frequently are doing x2-2.5 the speed limit (I.E. ~100mph) there.
So for all you aasholes who bitch about cops "not doing doing their jobs" whe. They're writing you tickets for speeding, maybe you should think twice


Maybe if cops enforced that section of roadway...

Maybe if cops gave more tickets out for speeding/wreckless driving...

Maybe then, through prevention, people would drive more safely and therefor not drive at excessive speeds which contribute to the serious accidents which happen along this stretch of road


Any statistic on how deadly franconia road is?? Compared to other non-highway roads in the county??


The rest is foggy, at best

Mom of an Angel Wrote:
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> It's not that rare for a car to burst into
> flames...my son's did...please be aware that


> somewhere tonight a family is grieving a son,
> brother, grandson, nephew, etc. (I'm assuming the
> other driver was a male). Please be kind in your
> comments, because they eventually will read this.


Are you fuckinh retarded?
Cars dont "often burst into flames.".
It IS very rare. Cars have numerous failsafe devices engineered into their manufacturing to prevent this.

Ir cars burst into flames as much as you think they were, wouldn't Orr "fender benders" have such evidence? ( think 66 or 495 during rush hour when a 1-lane accident results in 4-lanes blocked; have you ever seen anything on fire?)

Cars only catch fire when there's such excessive speed that overcomes the safety design of modern cars. Meaning; if you drive like a dumbass, you'll die like a dumbass.

It's RECKless driving, not wreckless driving.

"I'm guessing the cop was doing 45-50 and the other guy was doing 65-70 based on the damage and fact that the other car burst into flames (also, the civilian died and the cop lived, meaning that the civilian was probably going faster; I.E. driving more like an asshole)"


This is wrong, a vehicle going 5mph that is hit by another vehicle going 100mph can STILL burst into flames - even though it was going slower.

The type of vehicle is what would determine if that vehicle likely to catch fire in an accident - NOT how fast it is going verse another car.

Where do these dumb-asses come from?

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> "I'm guessing the cop was doing 45-50 and the
> other guy was doing 65-70 based on the damage and
> fact that the other car burst into flames (also,
> the civilian died and the cop lived, meaning that
> the civilian was probably going faster; I.E.
> driving more like an asshole)"
>
>
> This is wrong, a vehicle going 5mph that is hit by
> another vehicle going 100mph can STILL burst into
> flames - even though it was going slower.
>
> The type of vehicle is what would determine if
> that vehicle likely to catch fire in an accident -
> NOT how fast it is going verse another car.
>
> Where do these dumb-asses come from?


So what type of vehicle?

Let's see...it's pretty obvious from the pictures in this thread!!

A crown Victoria VS a Nissan infinite...





So tell me, o wise one based on the "types of cars involved," which one was "more likely to burst in flames".



My answer? Neither is more likely. Both are late model and modern sedans. My guess (which is as good as yours) is that divine intervention killed the asshole at fault / the reckless (thanks, Troop, Auocorrect got me on that one) driver

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> > "I'm guessing the cop was doing 45-50 and the
> > other guy was doing 65-70 based on the damage
> and
> > fact that the other car burst into flames
> (also,
> > the civilian died and the cop lived, meaning
> that
> > the civilian was probably going faster; I.E.
> > driving more like an asshole)"
> >
> >
> > This is wrong, a vehicle going 5mph that is hit
> by
> > another vehicle going 100mph can STILL burst
> into
> > flames - even though it was going slower.
> >
> > The type of vehicle is what would determine if
> > that vehicle likely to catch fire in an accident
> -
> > NOT how fast it is going verse another car.
> >
> > Where do these dumb-asses come from?
>
>
> So what type of vehicle?
>
> Let's see...it's pretty obvious from the pictures
> in this thread!!
>
> A crown Victoria VS a Nissan infinite...
>
>
>
>
>
> So tell me, o wise one based on the "types of cars
> involved," which one was "more likely to burst in
> flames".
>
>
>
> My answer? Neither is more likely. Both are late
> model and modern sedans. My guess (which is as
> good as yours) is that divine intervention killed
> the asshole at fault / the reckless (thanks,
> Troop, Auocorrect got me on that one) driver


Last try to educate you - the SPEED of either vehicle would NOT determine WHICH one would have, or not have, burst into flames.

Could you grasp the idea that if CAR A is sitting still and CAR B crashed into it at 90mph - CAR A STILL COULD BE THE ONE THAT CATCHES FIRE? Can you use logic and see that the SPEED of either vehicle is independent of the results?

Once you realize this simple FACT, then you will no longer look like an ass.

I do realize that. Your point is noted.

So explain to me how the speed of a car is independant of the cause of fire
Vs.

The "type" of car is dependent of the cause of fire



Please...enlighten me.

ANY vehicle can catch fire after an accident. There are several factors that determine if a car catches fire. 1 of the biggest is...Amount of damage to fuel system. This could be fuel lines, gas tank, etc. Damage the fuel system causing fuel to leak and inducing a spark will cause a fire.

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> I didn't say it was before the accident. If the
> cop was going west he is on the wrong side of the
> line. How he got there I don't know. Both cars
> ended up in the east bound lanes near Gordons
> house


Again you are assuming things from what you think you see in this picture or other pictures on the news. Where the cars impacted was not even close to this intersection. If Gordon lives near here, he can take pictures of where police painted the street to mark things. That could answer a lot of things such was were the cars first hit and where they came to rest.

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> ANY vehicle can catch fire after an accident.
> There are several factors that determine if a car
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> damage to fuel system. This could be fuel lines,
> gas tank, etc. Damage the fuel system causing fuel
> to leak and inducing a spark will cause a fire.


How does fuel leaking induce a spark exactly????
And what are the "other factors" that determine if a car catches fire????


Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Are you a collision expert? A fireman? Ab accident reconstruction officer? A mechanic? An engineer? Anything??????

There are 4 to 6 police cars in all of fairfax that MAY have cameras. All the cameras were removed from all the cars a few years ago. Plus only half of the police stations even had cameras when they were used. There were no police cars with cameras in them until a few months ago. They are testing new camera systems and have put these test systems in a few cars around the county to test. There was maybe 4 to 6 cars that had the test systems. AND these test systems may not even be in cars still as the testing maybe over.

Here are the facts, The nissan was driving at a high rate of speed WB on Franconia Road and had was being reported by a citizen who was calling 911 when the accident occurred. The police cruise happen to be coming in the opposite direction EB in the far right lane. The Nissan swerved to the left into the EB lanes and hit the cruiser head on. The citizen who was calling 911 was the first on the scene and tried to extricate the officer. Officers responding to assist passed me on Franconia Rd. I watched the aftermath. In this case the officer was in the right and happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or maybe the right time, otherwise this driver would have taken out a citizen. From Alexandria VA.

It wasn't a Nissan...so your "facts" clearly are incorrect.

Ref GB comments: That's was the live on scene news is also reporting in Washington. COPs in the right on this one.

Sorry little gb, Infiniti and Nissan look the same to me, particularly crashed. and I was there. Where are you.



One man is dead and a police officer is in the hospital after a head-on crash in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County.

The accident happened near the intersection of Franconia Road and Gum Street shortly before 3 a.m. Monday.

A Fairfax County police officer was headed eastbound when someone driving an Infiniti in the opposite direction veered into the officer's lane and struck the cruiser head-on, authorities said.

The Infiniti burst into flames. The driver, believed to be the only person in the car, died in the fire.

The police cruiser's front end crumpled, trapping the officer inside, but the passenger compartment was left relatively intact. The officer was able to radio for help and was pulled from the vehicle. He was transported to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

The officer may have been responding to a non-emergency call. He wasn't using police lights or sirens.

Authorities are still investigating the crash.

Cars don't "burst" into flames. They slowly ignite and the death of the occupant is exquisitely slow and painful. Death by fire is the most heinous of all.



I wonder if there would be this much concern if the police cruiser was a civilian vehicle. I doubt it.


Apparently, all of you "pig hsters" actually hold these officers of the law to a higher standard than even you yourselves realize.

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> GFR Wrote:
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> > ANY vehicle can catch fire after an accident.
> > There are several factors that determine if a
> car
> > catches fire. 1 of the biggest is...Amount of
> > damage to fuel system. This could be fuel
> lines,
> > gas tank, etc. Damage the fuel system causing
> fuel
> > to leak and inducing a spark will cause a fire.
>
>
> How does fuel leaking induce a spark exactly????
> And what are the "other factors" that determine if
> a car catches fire????
>
>
> Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
> Are you a collision expert? A fireman? Ab accident
> reconstruction officer? A mechanic? An engineer?
> Anything??????


Reading is a key here. I did not say leaking fuel will induce a spark...I said "Damage the fuel system causing fuel to leak and inducing a spark will cause a fire." I meant inducing a spark to the leaking fuel.

Lets break this down. What is a fuel system in a vehicle? In simple terms its a container with gas in it. What are some things that cause gas to start burning? An ignition source. What is an ignition source? Sparks..maybe. What are some things that can cause sparks? Metal impacting other metal or pavement.Things that happen during high speed impacts causing massive damage to vehicles.

Do your own test if you doubt me. Fill a small glass bottle with gas. This will be your fuel system. Break the bottle causing the gas to leak. This could be your fuel system being damaged and leaking fuel. Start making sparks next to the gas. Let us know what happens. I suggest you do this in a proper place with proper safety.

Or another test is walk out to your car, punch a hole in your gas tank or cut a fuel line in the engine area, wait a few seconds, light a match and place on the leaking gas. Let us know what happens.

I do not recommend the second test. Do either test at your own risk. What do you think burns when a car accident happens. Its gas. And sometimes oil.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Deadly-Police-Crash-in-Alexandria-165956756.html

GB, I am with you on this, above is DC channel 4 coverage. I have done a lot of traveling. Fairfax County PD is actually a good to great department compared to others. Hey, it doesn't always have to be negative about these guys.

The cars definitely end up up resting close to one another as seen in the picture, you can see the rear bumper of the cops car with the original paint burned off from the flames coming off the deceased car.

@ little gb.....Nissan makes infiniti so if he called it a Nissan he's still basically right. Same body style and chassis system. You have made a lot of dumb posts on this blog. Do u ever think before u type?

GFR Wrote:
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> Fire expert Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GFR Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ANY vehicle can catch fire after an accident.
> > > There are several factors that determine if a
> > car
> > > catches fire. 1 of the biggest is...Amount of
> > > damage to fuel system. This could be fuel
> > lines,
> > > gas tank, etc. Damage the fuel system causing
> > fuel
> > > to leak and inducing a spark will cause a
> fire.
> >
> >
> > How does fuel leaking induce a spark
> exactly????
> > And what are the "other factors" that determine
> if
> > a car catches fire????
> >
> >
> > Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
> > Are you a collision expert? A fireman? Ab
> accident
> > reconstruction officer? A mechanic? An
> engineer?
> > Anything??????
>
>
> Reading is a key here. I did not say leaking fuel
> will induce a spark...I said "Damage the fuel
> system causing fuel to leak and inducing a spark
> will cause a fire." I meant inducing a spark to
> the leaking fuel.
>
> Lets break this down. What is a fuel system in a
> vehicle? In simple terms its a container with gas
> in it. What are some things that cause gas to
> start burning? An ignition source. What is an
> ignition source? Sparks..maybe. What are some
> things that can cause sparks? Metal impacting
> other metal or pavement.Things that happen during
> high speed impacts causing massive damage to
> vehicles.
>
> Do your own test if you doubt me. Fill a small
> glass bottle with gas. This will be your fuel
> system. Break the bottle causing the gas to leak.
> This could be your fuel system being damaged and
> leaking fuel. Start making sparks next to the gas.
> Let us know what happens. I suggest you do this in
> a proper place with proper safety.
>
> Or another test is walk out to your car, punch a
> hole in your gas tank or cut a fuel line in the
> engine area, wait a few seconds, light a match and
> place on the leaking gas. Let us know what
> happens.
>
> I do not recommend the second test. Do either test
> at your own risk. What do you think burns when a
> car accident happens. Its gas. And sometimes oil.


After the collision...
After: where are sources of ignition?


If cars "burst" into flames as easily and often as you say, then why doesn't tis happen more often? Where's the evidence?


You're mind is warped by your Hollywood action movies

WJLA identified the civilian driver:


Fairfax County Police have identified a man killed when his car crashed head-on into a marked cruiser in the Franconia area of Alexandria on Monday.

The driver, 52-year-old Jeffrey M. Woods, of Alexandria, was pronounced dead at the scene, police say.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/08/fairfax-county-fatal-crash-kills-one-78749.html

"WOODS ","JEFFREY ","A","043"," 300","FOX CHASE APT #202 "," ","FREDERICKSBR","VA","01/21/2008","75-79MPH/55MPH ZONE "
"WOODS ","JEFFREY ","M","050"," 6008","BROOKVIEW ","DR","ALEXANDRIA ","VA","05/04/2009","DISREGARD TRAFFIC LIGHTS "

Jeff was a nice guy and sponsored fun events for the neighborhood. I feel bad that it ended like this for him.

Is it just me or does Fairfax County PD have an extremely high number of crashes that result in fatalities?

Just because someone does something that is irresponsible, does not mean they deserve to die. And actually I have seen cars catch on fire that are not even in accidents...research that!!

Mr Jones Wrote:
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> Is it just me or does Fairfax County PD have an
> extremely high number of crashes that result in
> fatalities?




It's just you.

Fairfax County is almost 400 square miles and has a population around 1.25 million people. That's a lot of people. And it takes a lot of cops on streets to manage. This area in particular loves to highlight the police department any chance they get But some simple facts:

Accidents occur all the time.
EACH YEAR: 6 million accidents causing 3 million persons injured and roughly 40,000 people dead.

Around 100 people die PER DAY in traffic collisions in the U.S.
That's a death almost every 15 minutes or so.

Mr Jones Wrote:
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> Is it just me or does Fairfax County PD have an
> extremely high number of crashes that result in
> fatalities?


fixed that for ya

I've been saying it all along haven't I? The cops are now aiming for us innocent motorists and ramming our vehicles like heat seeking missiles to KILL US ALL! POLICE STATE!!!

Had pending DWI/speeding 20+ over charges in Alexandria

... Wrote:
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> Had pending DWI/speeding 20+ over charges in
> Alexandria

The civilian that is

Iknoweverythingandyoudont Wrote:
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> GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fire expert Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > GFR Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > ANY vehicle can catch fire after an
> accident.
> > > > There are several factors that determine if
> a
> > > car
> > > > catches fire. 1 of the biggest is...Amount
> of
> > > > damage to fuel system. This could be fuel
> > > lines,
> > > > gas tank, etc. Damage the fuel system
> causing
> > > fuel
> > > > to leak and inducing a spark will cause a
> > fire.
> > >
> > >
> > > How does fuel leaking induce a spark
> > exactly????
> > > And what are the "other factors" that
> determine
> > if
> > > a car catches fire????
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you have any idea what you're talking
> about?
> > > Are you a collision expert? A fireman? Ab
> > accident
> > > reconstruction officer? A mechanic? An
> > engineer?
> > > Anything??????
> >
> >
> > Reading is a key here. I did not say leaking
> fuel
> > will induce a spark...I said "Damage the fuel
> > system causing fuel to leak and inducing a
> spark
> > will cause a fire." I meant inducing a spark to
> > the leaking fuel.
> >
> > Lets break this down. What is a fuel system in
> a
> > vehicle? In simple terms its a container with
> gas
> > in it. What are some things that cause gas to
> > start burning? An ignition source. What is an
> > ignition source? Sparks..maybe. What are some
> > things that can cause sparks? Metal impacting
> > other metal or pavement.Things that happen
> during
> > high speed impacts causing massive damage to
> > vehicles.
> >
> > Do your own test if you doubt me. Fill a small
> > glass bottle with gas. This will be your fuel
> > system. Break the bottle causing the gas to
> leak.
> > This could be your fuel system being damaged
> and
> > leaking fuel. Start making sparks next to the
> gas.
> > Let us know what happens. I suggest you do this
> in
> > a proper place with proper safety.
> >
> > Or another test is walk out to your car, punch
> a
> > hole in your gas tank or cut a fuel line in the
> > engine area, wait a few seconds, light a match
> and
> > place on the leaking gas. Let us know what
> > happens.
> >
> > I do not recommend the second test. Do either
> test
> > at your own risk. What do you think burns when
> a
> > car accident happens. Its gas. And sometimes
> oil.
>
>
> After the collision...
> After: where are sources of ignition?
>
>
> If cars "burst" into flames as easily and often as
> you say, then why doesn't tis happen more often?
> Where's the evidence?
>
>
> You're mind is warped by your Hollywood action
> movies


Again...Reading is key. Go back and at look at what I posted. I never once said cars explode or "burst" into flames. I said that any car can catch fire. I went on to explain that if you damage the fuel system enough then fuel leaks.

You are confusing my post with what others posted about speed of vehicles or types of cars etc etc. And these are factors but are not the only factors to determine if a car catches fire during or after an accident.

As far as what causes sparks after an impact. These questions are starting to get just plain dumb. Do you think the only thing that happens when two cars impact are they hit and then nothing. If you want to talk low speed minor accident then this would be correct. however we are discussing high speed impacts. After cars hit, they spin, roll, come apart, etc etc. Metal from cars drag against the pavement as they continue moving after the first impact. This can cause sparks. Even after cars come to rest, parts of them are still very very hot. Hot enough to ignite gas. Some parts the engine also continue to do things that can also cause sparks.

Nothing I have posted has anything to Hollywood dumb ass. Why don't you go google physics of high speed motor vehicle accidents (or someting like it)and start reading. Learn a few things about physcis and mix that with some knowledge of cars.

The Facts Ma'am Wrote:
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> "WOODS ","JEFFREY ","A","043"," 300","FOX CHASE APT #202 "," ","FREDERICKSBR","VA","01/21/2008","75-79MPH/55MPH ZONE"

> "WOODS ","JEFFREY ","M","050","6008","BROOKVIEW ","DR","ALEXANDRIA ","VA","05/04/2009","DISREGARD TRAFFIC LIGHTS "

This guy had serious problems, aging 7 years in just 14 months.

Or maybe, just maybe, you got the wrong guy.

This could have been his motive. Woods, Jeffrey M was arrested on August 10 in Alexandria for Speeding, Failure to obey highway sign, and DWI.

... Wrote:
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> Had pending DWI/speeding 20+ over charges in
> Alexandria

It appears the second Jeffrey Woods is the correct one.

He was making a left turn. Apparently the police car was speeding with no emergency lights, he misjudged the speed, tried to correct at the last second by turning right, and failed.

Some previous posts give good information and having lived in this area, I filtered the following:

-Jeffrey was arrested on Friday for 1st DWI and over 20+ mph speeding. (he may have spent the night in jail)

-Two nights later a citizen reports a vehicle speeding excessively down Franconia, westbound

-Jeffrey lives north of Franconia, and would have taken a right to go home. Jeffrey swerved his vehicle left and hit a police cruiser head on.

This road is fairly dead at 3AM. The crash site is beyond the Rose Hill sweep and the road is fairly straight. The police car was likely the only other car on the road. Gum Street is essentially a dead end and nothing for him to be taking a left to anyway.

What am I missing here?

If he was arrested Friday for DWI, his license would have still been in the mandatory 7 day admin suspension phase.

Edit: i.e. he shouldn't have been driving



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2012 08:58PM by Clobbersaurus.

Trapped in a burning car that catches on fire is my #1 way to go. If only we all were so lucky. I imagine something like one of these going 100 mph on flames with some major screaming...
Attachments:

Ambulance chasers line up for a big pay. Fairfax County will write a big check to the estate of the late departed driver.

STones. Wrote:
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> Trapped in a burning car that catches on fire is
> my #1 way to go. If only we all were so lucky. I
> imagine something like one of these going 100 mph
> on flames with some major screaming...


I am willing to bet he was dead from impact prior to burning.

Perry Mason Wrote:
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> Ambulance chasers line up for a big pay. Fairfax
> County will write a big check to the estate of the
> late departed driver.


Sorry to disappoint you. This time its going to be this guys estate and insurance paying the county and the cop.

Official Analysis Wrote:
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> He was making a left turn. Apparently the police
> car was speeding with no emergency lights, he
> misjudged the speed, tried to correct at the last
> second by turning right, and failed.


He was not making a left turn. The first impact point was NOT at the intersection. Where you see the cars at in the pictures is at an intersection but this where the cars came to rest. Based upon how much force was in play during this accident, I would bet the first impact happened several 100 feet from the intersection.

cop is innocent - was the other guy who drove into the interceptor head-on............

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/14/driver-identified-in-fatal-head-on-collision-monday-that-closed-franconia-road/

and GFR is right, the crash actually happened closer to those trees next to that white house across the street from the Gulf instead of next to the Kindercare.................