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Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: guy ()
Date: July 23, 2012 06:57PM

I am one of those young people who don't pay much to politics until election years.Can you all give me reasons why I should vote or either Romney or Obama.Please give facts. From what I have precieved, people are saying one of them is the lesser of two evils

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Great ()
Date: July 23, 2012 06:59PM

Oh good another idiot troll thread full of Koch Whore posters and racist rednecks both of whom will probably be too high on weed and meth on election day to matter anyways.

Let the moronic statements flow

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: PatrickStar ()
Date: July 23, 2012 09:15PM

Flip a coin, scrub.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: gay2332 ()
Date: July 23, 2012 09:20PM

Why don't you research the options on your own you lazy dumb fuck. Stop being such an ignorant shit tard.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: YouDat ()
Date: July 23, 2012 10:42PM

Great Wrote:
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> Oh good another idiot troll thread full of Koch
> Whore posters and racist rednecks both of whom
> will probably be too high on weed and meth on
> election day to matter anyways.
>
> Let the moronic statements flow


Well, you're off to a good start moron. lol

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: livefree ()
Date: July 23, 2012 10:45PM

Vote Gary Johnson

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: THINK ()
Date: July 23, 2012 10:57PM

I dunno but the numbers speak for themselves.
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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: youre an idiot ()
Date: July 23, 2012 11:03PM

THINK Wrote:
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> I dunno but the numbers speak for themselves.


yes they do
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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Idiot ()
Date: July 23, 2012 11:06PM

Nice try but linear math is linear math.
You don't add up!
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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: ronaldreagan ()
Date: July 23, 2012 11:28PM

i'd consider looking into gary johnson

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Truth4ThePeople ()
Date: July 23, 2012 11:55PM

Obama, because republicans fuck up the US economy every time!
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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Why Dems have to Lie? ()
Date: July 24, 2012 12:08AM

Idiot Wrote:
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> Nice try but linear math is linear math.
> You don't add up!


He says as he posts that same bullshit graph. Sad that you have skew the numbers and then note OMB as a source after you've manipulated their data. LOL


Here's a better one for you.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Oopsss ()
Date: July 24, 2012 12:09AM

Truth4ThePeople Wrote:
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> Obama, because republicans fuck up the US economy
> every time!


^ You forgot somebody. lmao!

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Brrrrrrr ()
Date: July 24, 2012 12:15AM

This is what an Obama "budget freeze" looks like.


lmao!


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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: youre an idiot ()
Date: July 24, 2012 12:44AM

Idiot Wrote:
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> Nice try but linear math is linear math.
> You don't add up!


It takes a special kind of stupid to not see the record spending levels we have now. In both sheer numbers and percentages

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Basics ()
Date: July 24, 2012 05:50AM

If you're better off now than four years ago, meaning you're a welfare loafer/leech on society, an illegal, a convicted felon, or just hate America, then vote for Obama.

If you love bloated, overreaching, nanny-state big government, vote Obama.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Date: July 24, 2012 07:21AM

The Deficit was at its worst in 09. You do realize that budget or CR was signed by Bush in 08, don't you?

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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: SwissMiss ()
Date: July 24, 2012 07:35AM

Don't vote for any tax dodgers with a Swiss Bank Account.
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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: GoodMorning ()
Date: July 24, 2012 07:38AM

Obama sucks.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: voter2 ()
Date: July 24, 2012 08:54AM

Obama saved this country. It takes time to overcome the GW Bush failures.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: cvhk ()
Date: July 24, 2012 09:07AM

guy Wrote:
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> I am one of those young people who don't pay much
> to politics until election years.

We have an election every year in Virginia. Go educate yourself or don't vote.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: WTL lies (again) and gets caught (again) ()
Date: July 24, 2012 09:54AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> The Deficit was at its worst in 09. You do realize
> that budget or CR was signed by Bush in 08, don't
> you?


Sorry, you are wrong, once again.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app09.html

Obama was operating on a CR only until 3/6/09. Look at the appropriation bills that passed AFTER Obama took office (with Democrats in control of both chambers). You've got the stimulus, another CR, an omnibus, and cash for clunkers. NONE OF THAT WAS UNDER BUSH.

I realize you think you can get away with blaming Bush for everything, but Obama has fucked up just as much (if not more).

People are getting tired of correcting your misinformation campaign. Either step up your game or cut it the fuck out.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: duhhhhhh ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:05AM

WTL lies (again) and gets caught (again) Wrote:

>
> Sorry, you are wrong, once again.
>
> http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app09.html
>
> Obama was operating on a CR only until 3/6/09.
> Look at the appropriation bills that passed AFTER
> Obama took office (with Democrats in control of
> both chambers). You've got the stimulus, another
> CR, an omnibus, and cash for clunkers. NONE OF
> THAT WAS UNDER BUSH.
>
> I realize you think you can get away with blaming
> Bush for everything, but Obama has fucked up just
> as much (if not more).
>
> People are getting tired of correcting your
> misinformation campaign. Either step up your game
> or cut it the fuck out.




You are just as bad about spreading misinformation.

Quoting of budget deficit numbers when in the midst of a massive recession is ridiculous. Of course there are massive deficits, the federal government had to step in and inject large amounts of money into our economy in order to keep the recession from being far worse than it actually was.

Our economy requires a constant flow of money. Everything from lending for businesses to providing income to workers.

In the middle of such a massive recession, the federal government has two choices:

1. Create cash flow
2. Wait for private sector to create cash flow

One ideology says fuck everybody, see you on the other side if you make it. That's Republican ideology. That's what drove people to vote against stimulus packages & against the GM bailout etc.

The other ideology is that we spend now at the federal level in hopes of righting the economy as quickly as possible with as little damage as possible (save for the price tag levied out over a number of years). That's the Democratic ideology. That's what saved GM, its workers & it's vendors. That's what turned us around from shedding 250k+ jobs a month and a stock market down 50% to having positive economic growth for the past 24+ months, a stock market back to 13k and net positive job gains.

The federal spending required to accomplish this obviously means you drive a deficit for the short term, but historically speaking, the net return over the long term is far more beneficial than not doing it.

The argument that Obama has been ineffective as a President because we're operating in a deficit is like saying he failed because he lead us out of an economic collapse.

Its ridiculous, it's short-sighted and it's misinformation at it's best because at the end of the day, if he HADN'T done that, and unemployement was at 20% and the stock market was bottomed out at 4k, you're the same people that would have been up in arms flipping out because he didn't do anything.


Just out of curiousity, what would your plan have been to turn the economy back around? Cut corporate taxes and let it correct itself?

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: WTL lies and gets caught ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:09AM

duhhhhhh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WTL lies (again) and gets caught (again) Wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry, you are wrong, once again.
> >
> > http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app09.html
> >
> > Obama was operating on a CR only until 3/6/09.
> > Look at the appropriation bills that passed
> AFTER
> > Obama took office (with Democrats in control of
> > both chambers). You've got the stimulus,
> another
> > CR, an omnibus, and cash for clunkers. NONE OF
> > THAT WAS UNDER BUSH.
> >
> > I realize you think you can get away with
> blaming
> > Bush for everything, but Obama has fucked up
> just
> > as much (if not more).
> >
> > People are getting tired of correcting your
> > misinformation campaign. Either step up your
> game
> > or cut it the fuck out.
>
>
>
>
> You are just as bad about spreading
> misinformation.
>
> Quoting of budget deficit numbers when in the
> midst of a massive recession is ridiculous. Of
> course there are massive deficits, the federal
> government had to step in and inject large amounts
> of money into our economy in order to keep the
> recession from being far worse than it actually
> was.
>
> Our economy requires a constant flow of money.
> Everything from lending for businesses to
> providing income to workers.
>
> In the middle of such a massive recession, the
> federal government has two choices:
>
> 1. Create cash flow
> 2. Wait for private sector to create cash flow
>
> One ideology says fuck everybody, see you on the
> other side if you make it. That's Republican
> ideology. That's what drove people to vote against
> stimulus packages & against the GM bailout etc.
>
> The other ideology is that we spend now at the
> federal level in hopes of righting the economy as
> quickly as possible with as little damage as
> possible (save for the price tag levied out over a
> number of years). That's the Democratic ideology.
> That's what saved GM, its workers & it's vendors.
> That's what turned us around from shedding 250k+
> jobs a month and a stock market down 50% to having
> positive economic growth for the past 24+ months,
> a stock market back to 13k and net positive job
> gains.
>
> The federal spending required to accomplish this
> obviously means you drive a deficit for the short
> term, but historically speaking, the net return
> over the long term is far more beneficial than not
> doing it.
>
> The argument that Obama has been ineffective as a
> President because we're operating in a deficit is
> like saying he failed because he lead us out of an
> economic collapse.
>
> Its ridiculous, it's short-sighted and it's
> misinformation at it's best because at the end of
> the day, if he HADN'T done that, and unemployement
> was at 20% and the stock market was bottomed out
> at 4k, you're the same people that would have been
> up in arms flipping out because he didn't do
> anything.
>
>
> Just out of curiousity, what would your plan have
> been to turn the economy back around? Cut
> corporate taxes and let it correct itself?


I simply pointed out that WTL is full of shit. I made no comment one way or the other regarding whether it was the right policy. Obama is bad on more than just the deficit. Go unwad your panties.

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It's easy if you try
Posted by: Imagine No Pubs or Dems ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:20AM

Continuing resolutions and omnibus spending bill are things left over from the previous administration because the budgets weren't completed amid the economic turmoil. That doesn't mean that the succeeding administration is responsible for all the spending contained within. Much of it is on auto-pilot with increases according to projected inflation.

ARRA was the large stimulus bill that was passed in March of 2009, only two-thirds of which was spending and one-third tax breaks.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Lester ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:24AM

WTL lies and gets caught Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> duhhhhhh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTL lies (again) and gets caught (again) Wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Sorry, you are wrong, once again.
> > >
> > > http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app09.html
> > >
> > > Obama was operating on a CR only until 3/6/09.
>
> > > Look at the appropriation bills that passed
> > AFTER
> > > Obama took office (with Democrats in control
> of
> > > both chambers). You've got the stimulus,
> > another
> > > CR, an omnibus, and cash for clunkers. NONE
> OF
> > > THAT WAS UNDER BUSH.
> > >
> > > I realize you think you can get away with
> > blaming
> > > Bush for everything, but Obama has fucked up
> > just
> > > as much (if not more).
> > >
> > > People are getting tired of correcting your
> > > misinformation campaign. Either step up your
> > game
> > > or cut it the fuck out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You are just as bad about spreading
> > misinformation.
> >
> > Quoting of budget deficit numbers when in the
> > midst of a massive recession is ridiculous. Of
> > course there are massive deficits, the federal
> > government had to step in and inject large
> amounts
> > of money into our economy in order to keep the
> > recession from being far worse than it actually
> > was.
> >
> > Our economy requires a constant flow of money.
> > Everything from lending for businesses to
> > providing income to workers.
> >
> > In the middle of such a massive recession, the
> > federal government has two choices:
> >
> > 1. Create cash flow
> > 2. Wait for private sector to create cash flow
> >
> > One ideology says fuck everybody, see you on
> the
> > other side if you make it. That's Republican
> > ideology. That's what drove people to vote
> against
> > stimulus packages & against the GM bailout etc.
>
> >
> > The other ideology is that we spend now at the
> > federal level in hopes of righting the economy
> as
> > quickly as possible with as little damage as
> > possible (save for the price tag levied out over
> a
> > number of years). That's the Democratic
> ideology.
> > That's what saved GM, its workers & it's
> vendors.
> > That's what turned us around from shedding
> 250k+
> > jobs a month and a stock market down 50% to
> having
> > positive economic growth for the past 24+
> months,
> > a stock market back to 13k and net positive job
> > gains.
> >
> > The federal spending required to accomplish
> this
> > obviously means you drive a deficit for the
> short
> > term, but historically speaking, the net return
> > over the long term is far more beneficial than
> not
> > doing it.
> >
> > The argument that Obama has been ineffective as
> a
> > President because we're operating in a deficit
> is
> > like saying he failed because he lead us out of
> an
> > economic collapse.
> >
> > Its ridiculous, it's short-sighted and it's
> > misinformation at it's best because at the end
> of
> > the day, if he HADN'T done that, and
> unemployement
> > was at 20% and the stock market was bottomed
> out
> > at 4k, you're the same people that would have
> been
> > up in arms flipping out because he didn't do
> > anything.
> >
> >
> > Just out of curiousity, what would your plan
> have
> > been to turn the economy back around? Cut
> > corporate taxes and let it correct itself?
>
>
> I simply pointed out that WTL is full of shit. I
> made no comment one way or the other regarding
> whether it was the right policy. Obama is bad on
> more than just the deficit. Go unwad your
> panties.

The GM pre-packaged bankruptcy would've been the way to go to fix the banks which we're still spending trillions on, one way or the other. Instead, the Fed rolled them up into too-big-to-fails which we're still supporting. Another Resolution Trust Corp would've been the way to go instead of gradually offloading the inventory from the banks onto the GSEs. Either way, the taxpayer is going to have to clean up the mess made by the banks.

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Re: It's easy if you try
Posted by: lesson ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:24AM

Imagine No Pubs or Dems Wrote:
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> Continuing resolutions and omnibus spending bill
> are things left over from the previous
> administration because the budgets weren't
> completed amid the economic turmoil. That doesn't
> mean that the succeeding administration is
> responsible for all the spending contained within.
> Much of it is on auto-pilot with increases
> according to projected inflation.

Look at the bills at the time. The CR was autopilot the omnibus was not. Cash for clunkers was also that fiscal year. That certainly isn't autopilot.

> ARRA was the large stimulus bill that was passed
> in March of 2009, only two-thirds of which was
> spending and one-third tax breaks.

BOTH of which create deficits.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: duhhhhhh ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:38AM

WTL lies and gets caught Wrote:

>
> I simply pointed out that WTL is full of shit. I
> made no comment one way or the other regarding
> whether it was the right policy. Obama is bad on
> more than just the deficit. Go unwad your
> panties.


Actually, no, you did clearly make a comment implying your opinion on policy.

I'll quote you to refresh your memory.

Obama was operating on a CR only until 3/6/09. Look at the appropriation bills that passed AFTER Obama took office (with Democrats in control of both chambers). You've got the stimulus, another CR, an omnibus, and cash for clunkers. NONE OF THAT WAS UNDER BUSH.

I realize you think you can get away with blaming Bush for everything, but Obama has fucked up just as much (if not more).

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: Lester ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:43AM

They add the earmarks to the budget in the final bill. It's a relatively small part.

Cash for clunkers, energy star tax credits, 5-year NOL carrybacks, HAMP foreclosure modification, and other programs were in ARRA.

It turned out HAMP was another bank bailout in disguise.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/07/20/barofsky-book-geithner-confirmed-in-2009-that-hamp-was-designed-for-banks-to-spread-out-foreclosures/

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: WTL lies ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:52AM

duhhhhhh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WTL lies and gets caught Wrote:
>
> >
> > I simply pointed out that WTL is full of shit.
> I
> > made no comment one way or the other regarding
> > whether it was the right policy. Obama is bad
> on
> > more than just the deficit. Go unwad your
> > panties.
>
>
> Actually, no, you did clearly make a comment
> implying your opinion on policy.
>
> I'll quote you to refresh your memory.
>
> Obama was operating on a CR only until 3/6/09.
> Look at the appropriation bills that passed AFTER
> Obama took office (with Democrats in control of
> both chambers). You've got the stimulus, another
> CR, an omnibus, and cash for clunkers. NONE OF
> THAT WAS UNDER BUSH.

Those are called facts, not opinions.

> I realize you think you can get away with blaming
> Bush for everything, but Obama has fucked up just
> as much (if not more).

Not an opinion on policy.

Happy to clear that up for you.

Now, really, go unwad those panties.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: lesson ()
Date: July 24, 2012 11:54AM

Lester Wrote:
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> They add the earmarks to the budget in the final
> bill. It's a relatively small part.

Earmarks rarely increase spending.

> Cash for clunkers, energy star tax credits, 5-year
> NOL carrybacks, HAMP foreclosure modification, and
> other programs were in ARRA.

Cash for clunkers was in a July supplemental, not ARRA.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: BelowMe ()
Date: July 24, 2012 12:27PM

Home values are up for the first time in 5 years.
Dow is up 60%.
US Auto Industry saved and coming back.
Major Healthcare Reform Legislation passed.
US is out of Iraq.
US is leaving Afghanistan.
Ended DADT.
Osama is dead.

More than Bush did in 8 years.

Don't vote for a flip flopper who wears magic underpants and dodges taxes.
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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Date: July 24, 2012 01:12PM

Romney believes in the values that made America great. Baptism of the dead, God lives on the planet Kolob and Jesus and Satan are brothers.

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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2012 01:12PM by WashingTone-Locian.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: id ego ()
Date: July 24, 2012 01:19PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Romney believes in the values that made America
> great. Baptism of the dead, God lives on the
> planet Kolob and Jesus and Satan are brothers.


Whereas Obama believes in class warfare and his own magnificance. Yeah, that'll bring America back.

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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: ManontheMoon ()
Date: July 24, 2012 04:24PM

Just wondering.
Is Planet Kolob near Uranus?
I don't see it in the Bible or my science books.
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Re: Why should i vote Mitt Romney or Obama?
Posted by: u idiots ()
Date: July 25, 2012 09:26PM

lets see what obama has done. he has racked up 4 trillion $ in national debt. he has forced health care on those who cant afford it, and raised the insurance rates of those who have it. his health care plan says if you are older and have a medical condition, such as cancer or something that is life threatening, depending on your age, you wont get treatment. his reasoning is that old people die, and thats what they do so why treat them. not one person knows everything this health care bill says, including guess who? The President. wait a minute, isnt it his plan? shouldnt he know what each and every page says? he is the problem for the housing market decline, unemployment at an all time high. his stimuless plan was a joke. most people took that money to pay off their own bills, not spend it on the ecomonmy. every plan he has come up with is such a joke, and is only putting this country further into debt. if you like how things are going, vote for him again. im not saying romney is the answer, but isnt it worth a chance to hope things get better. it certainly cant get any worse, unless obama stays in office. if you think he should stay, then you can take another bite out of his $hit sandwhich, and you can keep the change. i didnt vote for him then, and i sure as hell wont vote for him now.

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