A Fairfax priest was suspended today due to an allegation of something that might have happened in the 1990s. Church rules require that he be removed based solely on the allegation, which he denies, and that the public be notified before the investigation begins. He was not in his current parish at the time.

Do you think they might have come forward some ten years ago when these accusations were more popular? It's a bit late to start looking for money.

The statute of limitations is going to be called into play. Also, let's see how the church, not mentioned here, this is not a very good start to a thread, is handled. Whether through criminal and or civil courts.

That was fast...Holy Spirit has removed every speck (heh heh) of Fr. Terry Specht; a cursory Google search led me to HOly Spirit Church and shows the screen capture of his bio, etc. When you click on the site, he is not even listed as a priest.

We're all watching, holy Catholic and apostolic church.

What *normal* man today would willingly take vows of chastity? Right there's your answer on why there's a dearth of Roman Catholic priests and the few who remain...would you want your son to become a priest? Even if your son is "normal", would you want him living and working with such men for a lifetime?

There are better ways to serve the Lord. For far too long, the Roman Catholic Church has been a safe harbor for homosexual men. Read. Research. And never, ever allow a young child to be alone, unsupervised with a priest for any amount of time. In fact, limit interactions.

I also find it odd that no pictures of Terry Specht accompany any of the local articles. You'd think that if authorities were mildly concerned with other possible victims coming forward, a picture would help jog memories and provide needed clarity. I had trouble finding ANY pictures of him. Look closely; I had Terry Specht confused with another priest, but once I saw his photo, I remembered him.

Here's my contribution. Here's Terry Specht's picture:

http://www.reocities.com/lasalettesisters/scan0003.jpg

Either way, this is tragic for a victim--whether the true victim is the accuser or the accused. I think it's instructive for us to imagine being falsely accused of a sexual crime before casting any judgments. At the same time, of course, it's also essential for us to empathize with the personal hell of being a victim of a sexual crime. I'm left simply praying for justice and peace for the victim.

Full disclosure: I'm a parent who has attended safe environment/anti-sexual-predator training led by Fr. Specht years ago. Such training is required for anyone to volunteer in any capacity in a Catholic school these days. The training I attended was led by Fr. Specht, and at that time, I took him to be as sincerely determined to prevent these horrible crimes as the rest of us. That experience makes it hard for me to believe this could be true, but it's not right for me to judge here anyway.

This makes me sick just reading about it. Just horrible.

Interesting how a self-righteous sinner can be quick to judge another sinner instead of praying for justice and forgiveness. This is a time for praying and consoling and watching, not judging and condemning and hating. God is just.

Catholic parent Wrote:
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>
>
> Full disclosure: I'm a parent who has attended
> safe environment/anti-sexual-predator training led
> by Fr. Specht years ago. Such training is required
> for anyone to volunteer in any capacity in a
> Catholic school these days. The training I
> attended was led by Fr. Specht, and at that time,
> I took him to be as sincerely determined to
> prevent these horrible crimes as the rest of us.
> That experience makes it hard for me to believe
> this could be true, but it's not right for me to
> judge here anyway.

Ah, yes. Virtus training. Bankrolled and developed by the Catholic church by a Catholic INSURANCE company. There is no end to the holy Catholic and apostolic church's realm...

Read:(Catholic culture)

Virtus is a program of The National Catholic Risk Retention Group (NCRRG). And what is NCRRG? An insurance company. Now, no responsible insurance executive will inaugurate a program that collides with the interests of his shareholders or his clients. So who are NCRRG's shareholders? Bishops. And who are the clients? Bishops and archbishops — 66 of them, according to its web site, which helpfully explains, "National Catholic is owned and ultimately managed by its Shareholders. Company policies are therefore established by Shareholders for the benefit of Shareholders."

Well, you'd think that language was as plain as day, but Virtus "trainers" are apparently trained not to talk about it. Three years ago, the Diocese of Arlington, Va., began requiring Virtus, along with mandatory criminal background checks, of the faithful.* Fr. Terry Specht*, the chancery's "safe environment" official, assured a parish assembly, "I've had this job for a year and I've never hear that word, 'liability,' used once." But at the same time, Fr. Specht was requiring over 10,000 of Arlington's Catholics to be fingerprinted and to sign hard-nosed waivers absolving the diocese of any liability. Today, three years later, he still does.

Perhaps no one ever told *Fr. Specht*, but Virtus is all about liability.

I suggest that you do to him what you would want done for you if/when you are in a similar situation...food for thought. Remove the photo - he is not a threat and the allegations have not been proven.

FYI-- The Virtus program was begun at least twenty years ago--(not three) I know as I attended the training the first year it was offered by the Diocese. Virtus is a good program. Nothing is perfect in this world, and no one is perfect either. Please pray for Fr. Specht and for his accuser.

Time to tax religion, also, what the fuck is wrong with you people still donating to the church..your all fucking crazy, and this priest should be crucified.

Don't worry, that monster Obama is a way bigger threat than this pack of organized child molesters and their handlers.

As a former altar boy, with plenty of experience working with father specht, im shocked. It has been quite some time since my last mass; but i do remember being very fond of father specht. if i had to pick the least molesty priest out of the 3 or 4ish that i worked with, he would certainly get my vote. The guy liked football and beer.... He told off- color jokes during church, while pointing out the finer women in the crowd. Really hope this wasn't him; of all the priests i worked with, Specht was the most likely to keep my ass in church.
Im not one to blame the victim, but i would really like to find out that the accuser was full of shit.... During my time at St Leos, I never met many priests I liked much... but I wouldve bought mad drinks for Specht.... Hes funny, cool, and in touch with the moment.

Geez Wrote:
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> Do you think they might have come forward some ten
> years ago when these accusations were more
> popular? It's a bit late to start looking for
> money.


those jerry sandusky kids waited longer you doop and they aren't looking for money he isn't micheal jackson they are looking to put this sick fuck in jail and hell where he belongs there will be others coming forth soon

coming foward*

As a woman/mother who was required to sit through the Virtus seminar to be able to volunteer with children, I continue to be offended that such programs were created, and the reason they exist. (>>Because Bishops failed to properly and completely remove such priests).

Background check me as many times as you want, get character references, but make me sit through your course to prevent something others did? Crazy!

And yes, the class I took, four hours one night at St. Leo's in Fairfax, was led by none other than Fr. Specht.

Does that invalidate my certificate?

having to learn virtue from the good Father, eh?

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/04/terry-specht-arlington-priest-accused-of-sexually-abusing-young-man-75053.html

about the Bishops. Not only did they fail to remove, but they (and other ranking Church offcials) ACTIVELY hid their pedo buddies from the eyes of the law and help to perpetuate the myths of the time that raped kids were liars and thus, not to really be believed. A lotta time, pedo priests would be sent to a specific local. One such place was Spokane, WA back in the day. (300 miles from the next major city so who's gonna notice, right?) And guess which diocese even beats Boston's in having to pay out $$$$$$$ for letting their leaders stick their penises up little boys asses?

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/diocese/

anywho, that'S the REAL reason you had to sit thru that Virtus crap, hun - it is just something the "Church"'s insurace fund makes you do so they get their asses covered in case you get caught effing a kid. It makes it harder for the kid and kid's fam to sue the church, is all. IT DOESNT HAVE A THING TO DO WITH ACTIVELY PREVENTING CHILD ABUSE IN THE CHURCH - ONLY TO C.Y.A THE CHURCH IN CASE SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN

Just sad, really.

Appears that the Bishops did the right thing in this case. Notified law enforcement, removed the priest from his job, started an investigation, notified the public.

Sister Christian Wrote:
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> I also find it odd that no pictures of Terry
> Specht accompany any of the local articles. You'd
> think that if authorities were mildly concerned
> with other possible victims coming forward, a
> picture would help jog memories and provide needed
> clarity. I had trouble finding ANY pictures of
> him. Look closely; I had Terry Specht confused
> with another priest, but once I saw his photo, I
> remembered him.
>
> Here's my contribution. Here's Terry Specht's
> picture:
>
> http://www.reocities.com/lasalettesisters/scan0003
> .jpg

This is just terrible.
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What kind of meat does a priest eat on fridays?










Nun

I find it disturbing how many parents gripe about having to sit through one 4-hour course on child abuse prevention. I mean really? Can't spend one evening to learn about something that might protect your child in ANY situation - not just church/school related? You didn't pick up any signs you might not have known before that might protect your children in the future. And of course the background checks! How many times I heard, "I have a top secret clearance for my job!" Yeah, good for you - now get the background check or we're not letting you chaperone this trip.

As for Father Specht, I'm so glad to see how everyone is ready to crucify him and get his picture out there. Guilty until proven innocent I suppose. If he did it, yes, but this is SO early in the investigation. Let's see how it plays out before we fry the guy. I am just as sickened by everyone else about how the Church handled abuse in the past, but for once they are following the law - let's see where it leads.

One thing that actually has confused me from day one and I am asking this question to parents out there -- Why would you call the Church officials if your child was being abused? I mean screw that -- go straight to the cops!! The only call I would be making to the pastor or bishop would be to say, "You can expect a knock on the door because the police should be there any minute." I never understood that. I mean, if it was your child's scout leader, do you call Boy Scouts of America or the cops? Same as the Penn State fiasco. McQueery told his dad and coach?? What the hell -- call the cops!!!!

joha Wrote:
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> I find it disturbing how many parents gripe about
> having to sit through one 4-hour course on child
> abuse prevention. I mean really? Can't spend one
> evening to learn about something that might
> protect your child in ANY situation - not just
> church/school related? You didn't pick up any
> signs you might not have known before that might
> protect your children in the future.
>
>
>
> ...No, I have no "gripe" about sitting through a four hour sexual abuse prevention seminar, but I do question the Virtus program - again, developed by a Catholic conglomerate of Catholic insurance companies. I've just completed such a seminar and honestly, I learned nothing new that is not common sense.
In fact, most of the "training" seems to be focused upon "stereotypes" that men who molest little boys are homosexual. All the video examples show this that most of the abused boys were (SHOCK) molested by ANOTHER male. Not all - but the video (and news/statistics) bear this out. In Virtus, more emphasis is placed on NOT calling the perps homosexual (what's that all about?)...and very little practical advice.

Case in point: child welfare experts advise parents to teach their children that if they get lost in a public place to find a MOMMY. Huh! Why not a single man? Because, statistics and common sense dictate that a Mommy with children is not going to do any harm...

yeah, real smart to follow a religion who's symbol is a guy nailed to two pieces of wood. also, who's leaders take a vow of having no sex..the biggest bullshit story in the world is religion, hands down.

joha Wrote:
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> I find it disturbing how many parents gripe about
> having to sit through one 4-hour course on child
> abuse prevention. I mean really?
> And of
> course the background checks! How many times I
> heard, "I have a top secret clearance for my job!"

I don't think the complaint is unjustified. I did the Virtus training myself even though I am cleared. I didn't complain to anyone, but I did have to drive to a far-away parish to do it, and during the class I looked around and gosh, saw no priests there. So because of a scandal the leadership caused, _I_ am in the class? I'm sorry if you don't understand why the "good guys" would be irritated by that.

perspective Wrote:
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> joha Wrote:
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> I don't think the complaint is unjustified. I did
> the Virtus training myself even though I am
> cleared. I didn't complain to anyone, but I did
> have to drive to a far-away parish to do it, and
> during the class I looked around and gosh, saw no
> priests there. So because of a scandal the
> leadership caused, _I_ am in the class? I'm sorry
> if you don't understand why the "good guys" would
> be irritated by that.


Oh, I get that it is frustrating that this was caused by the leadership, etc. and that it was far away. I guess maybe I worded it wrong - it's more that I think the class is good because I think too many people follow the leadership of the church blindly and don't pay attention to the signs of abuse. And I have never understood when I hear about some of the cases that came out where parents were allowing priests to spend time in their kids bedrooms at night saying good night, etc. etc. WTF?? Our family had several priest friends over the years, ones who Baptized, performed marriages and then funerals for my siblings and parents, but never once did they ever ask to "say good night" to us, and if they did my parents would not have allowed it! So I guess my thought process was more that the Virtus training was just one more thing you could do to protect your kids by breaking down that idea that priests are above others and somehow need to be trusted no matter what. Maybe that's the problem -- those of us with common sense probably thought they did not learn much from the course, but seems like there are definitely some people who needed it so they could get out of that "La La Land" they were living in where everyone is safe.

Some time ago, I was with a group that was starting to get involved as volunteers with a large Presbyterian Church in Vienna (not too many of those, if you're trying to guess).

A church official treated us as if we were all mouth-breathing pedophiles. This church had been recently involved in a long-time scandal where a "youth-leader" was banging high-school girls, using the Bible (gasp) as the argument that these young girls should have sex with him. When the girls--or their parents-- complained, the girls were accused of being stalkers who had a "crush" on this (married with a family) piece of shit. It wasn't unti the Washington Post broke the story that the churched actually claimed to be "addressing the problem."

At our meeting I asked if church ministers officials were given the same rigorous scrutiny and assumption of guilt that we were...the topic was adamently not to be discussed...and I decided to take my volunteer time and energy elsewhere

What's that they say about the fox guarding the henhouse?

Brother Gadfile Wrote:
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> Some time ago, I was with a group that was
> starting to get involved as volunteers with a
> large Presbyterian Church in Vienna (not too many
> of those, if you're trying to guess).
>
> A church official treated us as if we were all
> mouth-breathing pedophiles. This church had been
> recently involved in a long-time scandal where a
> "youth-leader" was banging high-school girls,
> using the Bible (gasp) as the argument that these
> young girls should have sex with him. When the
> girls--or their parents-- complained, the girls
> were accused of being stalkers who had a "crush"
> on this (married with a family) piece of shit. It
> wasn't unti the Washington Post broke the story
> that the churched actually claimed to be
> "addressing the problem."
>
> At our meeting I asked if church ministers
> officials were given the same rigorous scrutiny
> and assumption of guilt that we were...the topic
> was adamently not to be discussed...and I decided
> to take my volunteer time and energy elsewhere
>
> What's that they say about the fox guarding the
> henhouse?


although I was abused as a kid at holy spirit I chose not to push the issue as the prest that abused me is long dead. It has always amazed me how all the churchgoers ramp up to full denial mode at the mere mention of the abuse.
The physical abuse was nothing compared to what the mental distress that I suffered for decades

former altar boy Wrote:
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> Brother Gadfile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Some time ago, I was with a group that was
> > starting to get involved as volunteers with a
> > large Presbyterian Church in Vienna (not too
> many
> > of those, if you're trying to guess).
> >
> > A church official treated us as if we were all
> > mouth-breathing pedophiles. This church had
> been
> > recently involved in a long-time scandal where
> a
> > "youth-leader" was banging high-school girls,
> > using the Bible (gasp) as the argument that
> these
> > young girls should have sex with him. When the
> > girls--or their parents-- complained, the girls
> > were accused of being stalkers who had a
> "crush"
> > on this (married with a family) piece of shit.
> It
> > wasn't unti the Washington Post broke the story
> > that the churched actually claimed to be
> > "addressing the problem."
> >
> > At our meeting I asked if church ministers
> > officials were given the same rigorous scrutiny
> > and assumption of guilt that we were...the
> topic
> > was adamently not to be discussed...and I
> decided
> > to take my volunteer time and energy elsewhere
>
> >
> > What's that they say about the fox guarding the
> > henhouse?
>
>
> although I was abused as a kid at holy spirit I
> chose not to push the issue as the prest that
> abused me is long dead. It has always amazed me
> how all the churchgoers ramp up to full denial
> mode at the mere mention of the abuse.
> The physical abuse was nothing compared to what
> the mental distress that I suffered for decades

You fell for the trap...
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Can anyone tell me why every pervert who has ever lived has at one point traipsed through the halls of Paul VI High School???

...Yes, and they've found a 'safe' forum here at FFXU to get back at Paul VI and the administration for being expelled... still feeling pretty insecure aren't they! Pretty obvious that throwing stones and gossiping is much more fun than taking a good look at oneself and admit they've been fucking up their life.

Here's the article on this from the Fairfax Times...

Annandale priest under investigation of sex with minor
Investigation began in February, say police
by Gregg MacDonald, Staff Writer
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20120419/NEWS/704199724/1117/annandale-priest-under-investigation-of-sex-with-minor&template=fairfaxTimes

An Annandale priest of the Diocese of Arlington who from 2004 to 2011 was in charge of the diocese’s Office of Child and Youth Protection was placed on administrative leave Wednesday pending the outcome of an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct involving a male minor in the late 1990s.

According to the diocese, the investigation is in its initial phase, and no final determination has yet been made regarding the allegation. “The Fairfax County Police Department was notified when the diocese received the allegation, and the diocese is cooperating fully with law enforcement,” the diocese said in a statement Wednesday.

Fairfax County police spoksesperson Luc y Caldwell said the Rev. Terry Specht of Annandale has been under investigation since February, but that no charges have been filed against him.

“Rev. Specht denies the accusation,” the Diocese said in its Wednesday statement. “The Diocese of Arlington has received no other allegations of misconduct against Rev. Specht. Like all priests, diocesan employees and volunteers who work with children, he underwent an official background check early in his tenure.”

According to the diocese, Specht served as a parochial vicar at St. Mary of Sorrows Church in Fairfax from 1996 to 2000, as chaplain and assistant principal at Paul VI Catholic High School in Fairfax from 2000 to 2004, as the Director of the diocesan Office of Child Protection and Safety from 2004 to 2011, and as administrator and pastor of Holy Spirit Church in Annandale since 2007.

Holy Spirit Church officials have denied comment on the case, but according to the church website, Specht attended St. Vincent College in Latrobe, Pa., the University of the State of New York, and the University of Hawaii. Following retirement from the U.S. Navy he attended Mount St. Mary Seminary in Emmitsburg, Md. His first assignment as a priest was at St. Mary of Sorrows parish in Fairfax Station.

“Any allegation of abuse deepens the pain felt by all Catholics, and particularly survivors of abuse. We are committed to full cooperation with law enforcement regarding this allegation, and I have directed an independent investigator to review the actions and decisions made by Father Specht during his tenure as Director of Child Protection,” said Catholic Bishop Paul S. Loverde in a statement.

Why is it that everyone thinks that priests are sexually active if they are homosexual rather than heterosexual? It doesn't matter what your proclivity, if you are a Catholic priest, you abstain. Father Specht is an outstanding person and priest and deserves to have his 'day in court' without being vilified. He is one priest you would never, ever think could do this type of thing. He has worked very hard to make the diocese of Arlington a safe place for children. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and wait to see how this pans out. Pray for the accuser and Father Specht.

Any parent that encourages their children to be active participants in the Church, whether it be as alter servers or youth group, should teach their kids about what kinds of things are acceptable or not acceptable. Then contact the police and not the church if anything questionable happens. This (potential) victim of Fr Specht was proabably afraid to talk to his parents and let this go for more than 10 years. This could have been resolved long ago if the lines of communication would have been open. I realize it was a different time in the '90s, but parents should still have communicator with their children about any potential preditors, whether it be priests or teachers or neighbors or family friends or relatives. I agree that Fr Specht doesn't seem like the 'type' of person to do this act, but we have to protect (potential) victim first. Sad day for all.

Thanks for posting this! I work with priests quite often and Ive known Fr. Specht since i was in high school, gone to his parish, and worked with him for almost 10 years. He has always been incredibly kind, honest, and incredible role model. My heart goes out to all people involved, truly, but I choose to believe he is an innocent man until proven otherwise.

Nova86 Wrote:
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> I choose to believe he is an innocent man until
> proven otherwise.

Good to see there are at least some people who remember that little aspect of the American justice system.

As I have posted in many threads in the past, I don't believe an accused of this crime should be publicly named until a conviction because the accusation of an innocent person is life-ruining. We have seen that a couple of times locally in the Fairfax County school system. If the police want more info and more victims, release the name after the conviction so those other victims can come forward and the accused can be tried for those allegations.

If the accused are guilty they will be convicted. I see no reason at all why accused are given less identity protection in these cases than the accusers prior to a conviction.

It's interesting that in this case we haven't heard a thing about the victim (age, what occured, why he is only coming forward now, etc.). If this did happen, then I am sorry for the victim and sorry for Fr Specht. He has had an outstanding career, but that is gone forever, even if nothing comes of this case. It's a shame that in these situations the priests are, indeed, guilty until proven innocent, because the church can't take any risk once this type of crime has been brought to light. I am sorry for the whole thing. Where does someone like Fr Specht go when they are put on administrative leave? The Church is his enitre life.

I can't believe how people are guilty until proven innocent these days, especially if you are a Catholic priest! Sister Christian, your posts really are nauseating and repulsive! You have no idea what you are talking about! Saying you should limit or prevent your child's contact with a priest is absurd! You obviously don't know the facts about child abuse and how nearly half of all cases of child sexual abuse is by another family member! Maybe you should keep your children away from your family or even your spouse! How about the countless Protestant ministers who are MARRIED and still abuse children (at a higher rate than Catholic priest I might add), but we don't hear anything because they are not Catholic priests! What about the Rabbi's and muslims who abuse children (legally in some countries like Afghanistan) but we never hear a peep!!! How about the teachers and pediatricians (who have the highest rates of abuse) who are in positions of trust, but you don't suggest people keep their children out of school or away from doctors?? Of all these lifestyles, only Catholic priests are celibate, all the others marry and still abuse children. That means 99% of abuse cases are NOT PRIESTS!! Marriage is not a cure for child abuse! People are throwing Father Specht under the bus and there hasn't been any arrest or formal charges brought against him. If you can dial a phone number, you can ruin a priest's life and it is just absurd and sad. Priests who are falsely accused of this horrendous crime truly are a new type of martyr. If Father Specht is guilty of this crime, then blame Fr. Specht and not the Catholic Church or the priesthood!

Karma's a bitch...

Father Specht is innocent:

"The Diocese of Arlington (Virginia) is known as one of the more conservative dioceses in the country. So it is a good fit for Father Terry Specht, a highly visible priest who is not afraid to promote conservative and traditionalist views. But Father Specht is no Luddite. He maintains a popular Twitter account on which he posts and comments on important issues to his followers and the Catholic faith, most particularly the dangers of President Obama and need to oppose homosexual rights activists.


christian forums

Seriously-what is up with PVI? There have been more nasty scandals there then I can count.

Lock up your altar boys, cancel your cake walks!
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I can't believe how people are guilty until proven innocent these days, especially if you are a Catholic priest! Sister Christian, your posts really are nauseating and repulsive! You have no idea what you are talking about! Saying you should limit or prevent your child's contact with a priest is absurd! You obviously don't know the facts about child abuse and how nearly half of all cases of child sexual abuse is by another family member! Maybe you should keep your children away from your family or even your spouse! How about the countless Protestant ministers who are MARRIED and still abuse children (at a higher rate than Catholic priest I might add), but we don't hear anything because they are not Catholic priests! What about the Rabbi's and muslims who abuse children (legally in some countries like Afghanistan) but we never hear a peep!!! How about the teachers and pediatricians (who have the highest rates of abuse) who are in positions of trust, but you don't suggest people keep their children out of school or away from doctors?? Of all these lifestyles, only Catholic priests are celibate, all the others marry and still abuse children. That means 99% of abuse cases are NOT PRIESTS!! Marriage is not a cure for child abuse! People are throwing Father Specht under the bus and there hasn't been any arrest or formal charges brought against him. If you can dial a phone number, you can ruin a priest's life and it is just absurd and sad. Priests who are falsely accused of this horrendous crime truly are a new type of martyr. If Father Specht is guilty of this crime, then blame Fr. Specht and not the Catholic Church or the priesthood!


Wow, you sure swallowed the Vatican party line, hook and sinker... You're right, there's no history of priests sexually abusing children under their care; it's a plot by...not sure who...to discredit the Catholic Church?...

Let's wait to see how this pans out. Those of us that know Fr. Specht are almost 100% positive of his innocence. This is so contrary to who Fr. Specht is and what he stands for. It is right to place him on leave until the issue is resolved, but it is not right to defame him until his guilt has been proven. I am sorry for the accuser. I can't imagine how horrible it must be to be violated by someone you trust and respect. Let's pray that Fr. Specht is not the monster to which he is being compared. Pray for the parties involved, and start respecting other opinions. Can't we all just get along?

Everyone settle down Wrote:
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> Let's wait to see how this pans out. Those of us
> that know Fr. Specht are almost 100% positive of
> his innocence. This is so contrary to who Fr.
> Specht is and what he stands for. It is right to
> place him on leave until the issue is resolved,
> but it is not right to defame him until his guilt
> has been proven. I am sorry for the accuser. I
> can't imagine how horrible it must be to be
> violated by someone you trust and respect. Let's
> pray that Fr. Specht is not the monster to which
> he is being compared. Pray for the parties
> involved, and start respecting other opinions.
> Can't we all just get along?

Yes, let's just let this guy touch more kids and let him get away with it. NOT!

Everyone settle down Wrote:
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> Let's wait to see how this pans out. Those of us
> that know Fr. Specht are almost 100% positive of
> his innocence. This is so contrary to who Fr.
> Specht is and what he stands for. It is right to
> place him on leave until the issue is resolved,
> but it is not right to defame him until his guilt
> has been proven. I am sorry for the accuser. I
> can't imagine how horrible it must be to be
> violated by someone you trust and respect. Let's
> pray that Fr. Specht is not the monster to which
> he is being compared. Pray for the parties
> involved, and start respecting other opinions.
> Can't we all just get along?

We will never know for sure. The priest that abused me as a child would never have been suspected by anyone around him. The ritual of child abuse is a very old and very secret one in the catholic church. The worst thing about it was the fact that he convinced me that the whole thing was my fault. I was under the impression that if I revealed the details of our little sessions that I would be taken away from my family and would burn in hell for all eternity. That is quite a load of guilt and fear for an 8 year old boy to have hanging over his head.

Pedo Care Bear Wrote:
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> Wow, you sure swallowed the Vatican party line,
> hook and sinker... You're right, there's no
> history of priests sexually abusing children under
> their care; it's a plot by...not sure who...to
> discredit the Catholic Church?...

That's stupid. It is a logical fallacy to believe that because other priests were guilty that this particular one isn't entitled to due process.

OK, Clarence Darrow, Who said he wasn't entitled to due process?

And lets throw out the poster's straw man of "Protestant Married ministers" who abuse children...that has nothing to do with the case at hand, and is a canard devout believers use to draw attention to the problem within their own church

Don't use the term "logical fallacy" unless you know what it really means...

God bless you

former altar boy Wrote:
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> Brother Gadfile Wrote:
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> -----
> > Some time ago, I was with a group that was
> > starting to get involved as volunteers with a
> > large Presbyterian Church in Vienna (not too
> many
> > of those, if you're trying to guess).
> >
> > A church official treated us as if we were all
> > mouth-breathing pedophiles. This church had
> been
> > recently involved in a long-time scandal where
> a
> > "youth-leader" was banging high-school girls,
> > using the Bible (gasp) as the argument that
> these
> > young girls should have sex with him. When the
> > girls--or their parents-- complained, the girls
> > were accused of being stalkers who had a
> "crush"
> > on this (married with a family) piece of shit.
> It
> > wasn't unti the Washington Post broke the story
> > that the churched actually claimed to be
> > "addressing the problem."
> >
> > At our meeting I asked if church ministers
> > officials were given the same rigorous scrutiny
> > and assumption of guilt that we were...the
> topic
> > was adamently not to be discussed...and I
> decided
> > to take my volunteer time and energy elsewhere
>
> >
> > What's that they say about the fox guarding the
> > henhouse?
>
>
> although I was abused as a kid at holy spirit I
> chose not to push the issue as the prest that
> abused me is long dead. It has always amazed me
> how all the churchgoers ramp up to full denial
> mode at the mere mention of the abuse.
> The physical abuse was nothing compared to what
> the mental distress that I suffered for decades

I too was abused at Holy Spirit during 1974 and 1975 when I was in 5th grade. I know of a 6th grader and 4th grader that were abused also. I feel like I want to tell my story but it’s been a long hard road and I’m not sure I have the strength to go through it. Whoever is coming forward with this is a much stronger man that I.

It's raining right now...you know what rain is?

Rain is God's tears because he's sad that pedophile Catholic priests are buggering innocent children.

It's raining everywhere!

To all the abuse survivors:

http://www.snapnetwork.org/ I strongly recommend that you look into the local SNAP chapter. If you need help they can find it, and if you need support they will give it to you. They will not pressure/force you to come forward because that is the sort of thing that abusers do. This is an amazing network doing much good.

http://www.snapnetwork.org/virginia

SNAP Network Wrote:
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> To all the abuse survivors:
>
> http://www.snapnetwork.org/ I strongly recommend
> that you look into the local SNAP chapter. If you
> need help they can find it, and if you need
> support they will give it to you. They will not
> pressure/force you to come forward because that is
> the sort of thing that abusers do. This is an
> amazing network doing much good.
>
> http://www.snapnetwork.org/virginia


+1 they helped me lots!

nothing but fools..who thinks that a man who takes a vow not to have sex is sane?
What a fucking joke. this so called man of god is a fucking pedophile.
you are all fucking idiots. please die.

I agree with 'Concerned Catholic' that parents need to be more proactive when allowing their children to participate in activities with 'adults', regardless of whether it is with priests or teachers or family friends or even strangers. Children need to be told that nothing will happen to them or their families if they 'tell' about any abuse or bullying. Parents, please keep your children safe. I also know Father Specht and don't think that he could do this act, but what does someone have to gain by coming forward if it wasn't true? It's a sad, sad world with a lot of suffering and pain.

Yeah, I agree with the alter boy. I was also a alter boy for St. Mary's. He is definitely not a homo, molester as of now for me. I also knew him when he was at Paul the Sixth. I hated his guts cause he didn't take bullshit (I was a druggy outcast). He once told my mom, "I think he is possessed." Funny as fuck when she tried to perform an exercism on me! Anyways, I could see someone saying this to spite him. Alot of kids at PVI are drunken, druggy lunatics who you probably shouldn't trust....LOL I also was there when Santorum was found to be gay....I also had an elementary teacher who grew Pot...Mr. Marsh...and I had a teacher have sex with a girl up in Maine...but I don't think that made the papers...lord I've had a glorious educational experience!

I cant stand faggots

ribs Wrote:
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> I cant stand faggots


than don't go to church.

Until the Catholic church allows it's priests to have sex, homo's will continue to join the priesthood and try to repress their homosexuality. So what happens? They beat off for a few years, then they can't take it anymore and they start screwing the kids. If the church would allow the priests to have sex,at least most of them would have sex with adults. Wake up!

Billy Jack Wrote:
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> Until the Catholic church allows it's priests to
> have sex, homo's will continue to join the
> priesthood and try to repress their homosexuality.
> So what happens? They beat off for a few years,
> then they can't take it anymore and they start
> screwing the kids. If the church would allow the
> priests to have sex,at least most of them would
> have sex with adults. Wake up!

Homo's generally do not seek the priesthood, they are homegrown in their churches. It is an ancient cycle where victim grows up and takes over as the abuser.

I agree with the rest of this statement as do many current and former catholics. But the cycle of child abuse will take a couple of generations to work itself out of the system. Even now there are thousands of young boys around the world that are "in training" to be the next abuser. In my case I was able to break the cycle but lots of boys wont be so lucky.

I see Specht is already on the list in Virginia he brings our statewide total up to 22. Of course there are many more out there that have not been called out.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/member/psearch.jsp

I was a parishioner of St. Mary's when Fr. Specht was there. I was shocked to learn about this. My memories of him were not positive, but that doesn't make him a pedophile. It's interesting to read the impressions from folks who say they knew him and had positive experiences of him.

Unfortunately, I found him to be arrogant and rude. You could say "Hello, Father" and look right at him, and he'd ignore you. He walked around with a scowl on his face a lot of the time. I found it very hurtful to be around him. In terms of demeanor, he was as far from being priest-like in terms of kindness and Christian charity and just ordinary politeness. AFter a while, I just avoided him, and finally came to the conclusion that maybe he was like this around women, because back in the sacristy he'd joke around with the altar boys and was a lot more jovial. Frankly, I was glad when he left.

When I first heard of this, I wondered if he got on someone's bad side, and this accusation was made out of spite. But if so, why wait 15 years to make the accusation, and why would someone, if he was pretending, expose himself to the ordeal of questions, interviews, etc? But if this person - now a mid-twenty-something, I'm assuming - has actually been victimized by Fr. Specht, perhaps it took a lot of therapy and personal maturity to finally face this.

All I can do is pray - for a man I never liked, and for an accuser I never knew.

Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?

King Size Wrote:
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> Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?


the Catholic church is a criminal orginaztion. and should be shut down.

I truly don't know what to think. I want to think that he is innocent, but I too have seen him scowl at women and be rude. Meanwhile, he has seemed kind to the children in the church. But only God knows the truth-- and a piece of me wonders if someone who is an Obama supporter sabotaged the man. Fr. Specht frequently wrote nastygrams on twitter about Obama. I could see the current administration framing someone who got too public in their views against the current regime.

I truly don't know what to think. I want to think that he is innocent, but I too have seen him scowl at women and be rude. Meanwhile, he has seemed kind to the children in the church. But only God knows the truth-- and a piece of me wonders if someone who is an Obama supporter sabotaged the man. Fr. Specht frequently wrote nastygrams on twitter about Obama. I could see the current administration framing someone who got too public in their views against the current regime


Do you wear a tinfoil hat when you type this nonsense?

I am Barack Obama and I approved this message.

Pedo Care Bear Wrote:
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> OK, Clarence Darrow, Who said he wasn't entitled
> to due process?
>
> And lets throw out the poster's straw man of
> "Protestant Married ministers" who abuse
> children...that has nothing to do with the case at
> hand, and is a canard devout believers use to draw
> attention to the problem within their own church
>
> Don't use the term "logical fallacy" unless you
> know what it really means...
>
> God bless you


Poster:

The "Clarence Darrow" you referred to above did in fact use the term logical fallacy correctly.

There is, of course, more than one logical fallacy available, other than the straw man that you cite.

Specifically, his argument is using an "Association Fallacy", which is:

A is a B
A is also a C
Therefore, all B's are C's.

In this case, this fallacy would be saying Joe is a priest. Joe is also a molestor. Therefore, all priests are molesters (and this conclusion can be reached w/o due process).

So, Clarence Darrow is pointing this argument to those posters (and others, possibly) that might seem to have possibly concluded that this priest in question is in fact guilty before a trial or other process allowed for under due process has found him to be guilty, simply because other priests have been in fact guilty of the same charge in the past.

What he (or she) said.

hope you paying attention to the above post, Pedo - cause "not sooo" is right on the money, there. Kinda funny................

@Behold - I know, right? I'm like "......Obama? o_0"

@bunny - yeah.......cause the sitting POTUS is just like Richard Nixon, is that what you are thinking?

@still sore - I'd make a "are you still butthurt" joke, but it's really not funny.........

@concerned - if your post is serious, then you are a good woman.

@ the ppl who equate pedos with gays - I can prove to you that it's two different things. Pedopriests arent gay, they just got something about little boys. I used to think the same way til someone woke me up to the fact that you never see flamers in the news when these pedo-stories (boy or girl, for that matter) come out. It's always these pillar-of-the community types or ppl close to the fam someway. Never like some group of gay guys. Show me a link if I'm wrong but I know I've never actually heard in my lifetime of gays attacking kids. But that's besides the point cause here's........
THE PROOF : It's pretty easy to figure out why a real gay man wouldnt want to fuck a little boy - look at your hand and mke a fist. Now point out your pointer finger. Now look at it for about 10 seconds (pointer finger). Now make a fist again. Then stick out your whole arm, straight out. Then take a look at THAT for about 10 seconds.

And that right there is why gay guys wouldnt want to have sex a little boy.
Q.E.D.

Am I in Bizarro World? I'm agreeing with GordonBlvd AGAIN!

Not that I agree with your closed-fist, open-fist thing, but by far, pedophiles are not GAY! Most pedophiles are heterosexual. If anything pedophiles, are equal opportunity molestors of children, but that's it...

I'm also a survivor. I had no desire to be grilled by the Arlington Diocese lawyers, and didn't trust their Victim Assistance program. The perp in my case was a religious order priest, so I contacted their head guy in another state & learned that the perp was already busted & kicked out for messing with adults. They offered couseling - I declined, had already had the course on my own dime. I really didn't want their 30 pieces of silver.

As for Specht, let the process take its course, although there really is no coming back now even for a priest who is exonerated. Once accused, it's really all over. The guilty deserve it, the innocent pay the price for the sins of the Catholic system, and the Bishops get off scot-free. They all know what they're in for these days.

As for the conspiracy theories, I think they are nonsense. However, his public pronouncements may have really irritated the alleged victim & sparked him to make the report. There really is nothing quite as sickening for the survivor as to see others put the perp on a pedestal, while cheering at his every word. Remember, Holy Spirit is just down the road from St. Marys and sends many kids to Paul IV. The accuser may still live in the neighborhood.

As to the delay in reporting, I was 13 & waited until I was in my forties. Two reasons: all the media coverage between 2002 - 2004 really brought it all painfully back, so I chose to act, and both my parents were by then deceased. As a parent myself, I knew how devastated they would have been to learn that I'd been victimized, so I kept my trap shut for decades.

This is such a cesspool that only God can sort it out. Prayers for all involved.

Any word on where this supposedly happened? At the church or at the high school?

Also a survivor Wrote:
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> I'm also a survivor. I had no desire to be grilled
> by the Arlington Diocese lawyers, and didn't trust
> their Victim Assistance program. The perp in my
> case was a religious order priest, so I contacted
> their head guy in another state & learned that the
> perp was already busted & kicked out for messing
> with adults. They offered couseling - I declined,
> had already had the course on my own dime. I
> really didn't want their 30 pieces of silver.
>
> As for Specht, let the process take its course,
> although there really is no coming back now even
> for a priest who is exonerated. Once accused,
> it's really all over. The guilty deserve it, the
> innocent pay the price for the sins of the
> Catholic system, and the Bishops get off
> scot-free. They all know what they're in for
> these days.
>
> As for the conspiracy theories, I think they are
> nonsense. However, his public pronouncements may
> have really irritated the alleged victim & sparked
> him to make the report. There really is nothing
> quite as sickening for the survivor as to see
> others put the perp on a pedestal, while cheering
> at his every word. Remember, Holy Spirit is just
> down the road from St. Marys and sends many kids
> to Paul IV. The accuser may still live in the
> neighborhood.
>
> As to the delay in reporting, I was 13 & waited
> until I was in my forties. Two reasons: all the
> media coverage between 2002 - 2004 really brought
> it all painfully back, so I chose to act, and both
> my parents were by then deceased. As a parent
> myself, I knew how devastated they would have been
> to learn that I'd been victimized, so I kept my
> trap shut for decades.
>
> This is such a cesspool that only God can sort it
> out. Prayers for all involved.


Hey, survivor, sorry for what you went through, and this comment/question is not directed at that.

However, as a Catholic school graduate, I do still get confused when a tragedy happens (such as the allegations herein) and somebody says something like "pray for those involved"...if god is all powerful, why did he let something like this happen in the first place? And then why does it matter if PEOPLE pray...that seems to suggest the alternative, that if people don't pray, then good things won't happen for the "victim" of (insert tragedy here). Sort of like a popularity contest. Seems f'in weird to me. Some of the better people I have known, the most honest people, were quiet people, and probably couldn't get alot of people to pray for them if something bad happened to 'em (even if they wanted to)...however, I've known some real greaseballs that go to church, and make a big deal about it, and if something bad happened to 'em, the priest says let's all pray for so and so...so does the greaseball get cut a break? Pretty back ass, if you ask me.

Specific to your request, if you didn't ask people to pray for the victims, and nobody did, does that mean they will continue to suffer? Alternatively, if enough people pray for them, what happens? Money from heaven? Turn back time? What?

The parents of that model who walked into the propeller of a plane and got her arm cut off were prattling on and on about how their prayers were answered for a speedy recovery, etc...what they didn't say, though, is that they "prayed" for her arm to grow back, because, of course, taht wasn't gonna happen. Also, weren't they thinking in the back of their heads, why did god allow this to happen in the first place, just so he could half-way fix it later, minus the arm, if enough people prayed? Seems real f-ed up to me.


Not a sermon...just a question.

Hey lil confused,
You're right. You're confused. But don't pretend to be a Catholic School grad and then spell God lowercase!

uhhuh Wrote:
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> Hey lil confused,
> You're right. You're confused. But don't pretend
> to be a Catholic School grad and then spell God
> lowercase!


Thanks. god.

Do you have any cogent answers or thoughts to my queries?

@ lil confused

Oh, my (poorly phrased) mention of "prayers for all involved" wasn't a request, it was more a statement that I am praying for all involved, because this crap hurts everyone it touches. As to how prayer helps, there's all that messy theological stuff about God's perfect will vs. God's permissive will that I don't feel competent to explain. I think the questions you pose are important, but also that each individual has to come to his/her own set of answers to them. Personally, praying helps me, whether or not it has an effect on events or other persons.

It was more my intention to comment on things such as "why wait so long to report," was Specht in some way targeted by the "current administration (unclear to me whether that poster meant Obama's or Loverde's administration) and to give some insight as to what it's like to have this happen to you and then spend years watching the perp do the "pillar of the community" routine. Getting fed up with that could lead a person to report after years of silence. After all, it wears on a person to carry this around silently for a long time.

I offer no conclusion as to the validity of the accusation, btw. A big part of the problem with the whole mess is that, because of the nature of the accusation, proof of guilt or innocence is almost never available. Therefore nothing is ever really settled for either party.

Is this an honest question or just smart-ass banter?

@uhhuh

Which question and who's being a smartass?
Now I'm confused

uhhuh Wrote:
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> Is this an honest question or just smart-ass
> banter?


Didn't see too much in my original post to suggest smart-ass banter. Just a few real questions. I did in fact graduate from catholic high school, and subsequently graduated from a top tier university, if that helps to establish (in your mind) credibility.

@ lil confused

I didn't think it was smartass. I hope you find your answers. Sorry we were rudely interrupted :)

Hey, Also a Survivor...again, sorry for your troubles.

And just for clarification, fwiw...I'm not asking those questions from an "existential, gee, what's it all about" point of view. Not at all. Not searching in that way. Looking for logical responses.

I am really curious as to how somebody might answer those questions. In other words, I don't know how praying for someone's troubles is "supposed" to work. If god gets enough prayers, does he help? If he doesn't get enough prayers, or they are wrong, or from the wrong people, does he decide not to help?

If the answer is something like no, he'll help out when and where he deems it appropriate regardless of who prays, then why waste time praying? And why thank god for answering prayers?

Why did he allow the injury/injustice to happen in the first place? Especially if he was going to partially "fix it" later...as an example, New Orleans is still a sh**hole in many areas, yet I saw some poor person who still didn't have a house, and all their possessions were gonzo...praising god that their life was spared...but other parts of Nola are now repaired...so god really f'ed up this guys house, and then partially restored it, while fully restoring others (others with, ahem, money)....don't get it.

Why didn't those god-happy people pray for their daughter to grow her arm back, yet they were thankful that god answered their prayers for a quick recovery? The same god that allowed her to have her arm ripped off by a propeller? If there was somebody that totaled your car, and then gave you new tires as compensation, would you say, oh gee, thanks! F no!!! You'd say get me new freakin car! Why don't people do that with someone who is "all powerful"? After all, if one is all powerful, they should be able to grow a new arm back for someone, right? Why not say, all powerful one...grow my daughter a new arm!!! You allowed it to be ripped off!!!

That is it. Very specific. Not searching.

Best of luck to you.

In prior threads on abuse years ago, someone posted that he was abused at Holy Spirit by a now-deceased priest. I contributed to calling BS on it but there are enough people here discussing it that I believe them. I assume this priest was the pastor at the time through the 1970's but if I am wrong please correct me. The pastor was a friend of my family's until he left in 1981, so if I have the wrong guy in mind I'd really like to know it. I was a bit younger than these victims seemed to be at the time, and I have no recollection of being uncomfortable around him, certainly not being touched or molested. That was the basis for my disbelief... it wasn't my experience or what I observed of this man.

So if I contributed to anyone's suffering by not believing a true story, with this post I publicly apologize to that person (or people). I am sorry that happened to you as I may have been in danger had I been just a few years older.

I was told that this was an actual window at a church in Canada. I'm sure it was built with the best of intentions by an artist with a clean mind and soul but WTH! (H is for Heck, I dont like to cuss)
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This is very unfortunate but like someone said earlier, it is usually the ones like this who commit the abuse. WE all think, oh no he is too nice, and he is a man;s man, but that is all a cover up most times, if indeed they overstep the line.The truth will come out soon either way, and let us pray it is not true for, and if it is, well proper action.

The church is doign the right thing by investigating the allegations and placing him on leave.

Elizabeth Wrote:
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> This is very unfortunate but like someone said
> earlier, it is usually the ones like this who
> commit the abuse. WE all think, oh no he is too
> nice, and he is a man;s man, but that is all a
> cover up most times, if indeed they overstep the
> line.The truth will come out soon either way, and
> let us pray it is not true for, and if it is, well
> proper action.
>
> The church is doign the right thing by
> investigating the allegations and placing him on
> leave.

I do not understand why people seem shocked when they hear about priest rape. It is a tradition that goes back at least a thousand years in the Catholic church.
I believe that some priests dont play that game anymore but most do. The psychological grip that the abusive priests have on the kids is absolutely overwhelming.

Several years ago, I was accused of a loathsome crime.

I absolutely did not do it.

For several months I was on edge.

Would I be charged and frog walked?

Let's see how this plays out.

Father Specht might have done what he is accused of doing.

He might not have done it, either.

The cops are fishing to see what they can learn from other potential "victims."

They really aren't concerned with the truth or the facts. They arelooking for a bust and to make that bust stick. Doesn't matter if he did it or not.

@GMU - you know, a while back when I was accused of a loathsome crime I absolutely did not do, I was NOT on edge for several months!
You know why?
Cause I went to the cops when they asked to speak with me and told them everything that happened as truthfully as I could. VERY SCARY EXPERIENCE I ASSURE YOU!!!!!! But you know something? During that time, the only "on-edge" part of it was more my focus on clearing my name on the street about the whole thing. Something I was DAMN PROUD to do, and using truth and facts as my weapon, was able to do.

Which is what you do if yr innocent - WANT to clear yr effing name!! Have we heard much from the good Father?

p.s. - put victim in quotes again and Ill put that mouse so far up yr ass that the Father will be the only one who knows how to remove it.............unless you have facts to state that their accusations are false. I tell you this because not only do you demean them by doing that but you ALSO make the Church look shitty and uncaring about the issue as a whole. You reinforce the idea that Catholics could care less about priests molesting children is that the idea you want to propagate?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/08/2012 10:03AM by Gordon Blvd.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> You reinforce the idea that Catholics could care less
> about priests

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @GMU - you know, a while back when I was accused
> of a loathsome crime I absolutely did not do, I
> was NOT on edge for several months!
> You know why?
> Cause I went to the cops when they asked to speak
> with me and told them everything that happened as
> truthfully as I could. VERY SCARY EXPERIENCE I
> ASSURE YOU!!!!!! But you know something? During
> that time, the only "on-edge" part of it was more
> my focus on clearing my name on the street about
> the whole thing. Something I was DAMN PROUD to
> do, and using truth and facts as my weapon, was
> able to do.
>
> Which is what you do if yr innocent - WANT to
> clear yr effing name!! Have we heard much from
> the good Father?
>
> p.s. - put victim in quotes again and Ill put that
> mouse so far up yr ass that the Father will be the
> only one who knows how to remove
> it.............unless you have facts to state that
> their accusations are false. I tell you this
> because not only do you demean them by doing that
> but you ALSO make the Church look shitty and
> uncaring about the issue as a whole. You
> reinforce the idea that Catholics could care less
> about priests molesting children is that the idea
> you want to propagate?


Settle down, Francis.

"Ill put that mouse so far up yr ass that the Father will be the only one who knows how to remove it.............unless you have facts to state that their accusations are false. I tell you this because not only do you demean them by doing that but you ALSO make the Church look shitty and uncaring about the issue as a whole. You reinforce the idea that Catholics could care less about priests molesting children is that the idea you want to propagate?"




UM...OK...Gordon...you're getting a bit wound up here...on a previous thread you verbalized your fantasy of burning and hanging the charred corpse of a person from...was it a Rt66 overpass?

Now you want to put a computer mouse up someone's ass.

Are you a Catholic priest?

Wait...Gordon, you were accused of a "loathesome crime?"

This is getting interesting. What was it?

How'd you get off?

What did the Preist say to the Alter Boy(s)?



Neil, Bob......it's not a sin.

C'mon GordonBlvd, what did you do? This might explain where all this unhinged anger comes from. It might be therapeutic for you to let it out

Spill.

GordonBlvd, Did you kill a man in Reno, just to watch him die?


Beat ya to it!

For the record, Father Specht has never been married. He became a Catholic in 1984 and was ordained in 1996. Does anyone have any ideas of where he is now?

Missy Wrote:
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> For the record, Father Specht has never been
> married. He became a Catholic in 1984 and was
> ordained in 1996. Does anyone have any ideas of
> where he is now?


He is staying at a parishioners home in seclusion.
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For all of you with all the wrong info on Father Specht...

Father Specht was married, worked for the Navy on Submarines, widowed with three kids, two sons and a daughter, youngest son was a bartender at one time, daughter is the middle child...became a priest, ordained in 1996...after wife passed away, he entered the seminary and became a priest...he is a convert to Catholicism...have known him for over ten years...many have suffered at the hands of horrible clergy, but Father Specht is not one of them! This man, coming forward with these accusations, may never know the reason for this, but the truth will come out--I pray for Father Specht and his "alleged" victim--please do not judge before all is revealed

I'm afraid GordonBlvd has already tried and judged him. There is no appeal.

father specht--know him for many years Wrote:
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> For all of you with all the wrong info on Father
> Specht...
>
> Father Specht was married, worked for the Navy on
> Submarines, widowed with three kids, two sons and
> a daughter, youngest son was a bartender at one
> time, daughter is the middle child...became a
> priest, ordained in 1996...after wife passed away,
> he entered the seminary and became a priest...he
> is a convert to Catholicism...have known him for
> over ten years...many have suffered at the hands
> of horrible clergy, but Father Specht is not one
> of them! This man, coming forward with these
> accusations, may never know the reason for this,
> but the truth will come out--I pray for Father
> Specht and his "alleged" victim--please do not
> judge before all is revealed

I did not know he was a widower. Interesting. I'm still praying for him and the person who has accused him. And I pray the truth is what is acted on.

I wish the police and the Diocese would get off their keister and declare the results of their investigation.

There is an old saying "Steal my goods you have nothing but steal my good name you have everything. Where does Fr Specht go to get his good name back?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @GMU - you know, a while back when I was accused
> of a loathsome crime I absolutely did not do, I
> was NOT on edge for several months!
> You know why?
> Cause I went to the cops when they asked to speak
> with me and told them everything that happened as
> truthfully as I could. VERY SCARY EXPERIENCE I
> ASSURE YOU!!!!!! But you know something? During
> that time, the only "on-edge" part of it was more
> my focus on clearing my name on the street about
> the whole thing. Something I was DAMN PROUD to
> do, and using truth and facts as my weapon, was
> able to do.
>
> Which is what you do if yr innocent - WANT to
> clear yr effing name!! Have we heard much from
> the good Father?
>
> p.s. - put victim in quotes again and Ill put that
> mouse so far up yr ass that the Father will be the
> only one who knows how to remove
> it.............unless you have facts to state that
> their accusations are false. I tell you this
> because not only do you demean them by doing that
> but you ALSO make the Church look shitty and
> uncaring about the issue as a whole. You
> reinforce the idea that Catholics could care less
> about priests molesting children is that the idea
> you want to propagate?

Back then, Gordon had a burger fetish...

Gordon...
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Yea, and I'll bet the coach at Penn State liked football :), beer, and off color jokes...that is when he wasn't molesting little boys.

justincahoots Wrote:
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> As a former altar boy, with plenty of experience
> working with father specht, im shocked. It has
> been quite some time since my last mass; but i do
> remember being very fond of father specht. if i
> had to pick the least molesty priest out of the 3
> or 4ish that i worked with, he would certainly get
> my vote. The guy liked football and beer.... He
> told off- color jokes during church, while
> pointing out the finer women in the crowd. Really
> hope this wasn't him; of all the priests i worked
> with, Specht was the most likely to keep my ass in
> church.
> Im not one to blame the victim, but i would really
> like to find out that the accuser was full of
> shit.... During my time at St Leos, I never met
> many priests I liked much... but I wouldve bought
> mad drinks for Specht.... Hes funny, cool, and in
> touch with the moment.


Yea, and I'll bet the coach at Penn State liked football :), beer, and off color jokes...that is when he wasn't molesting little boys. "in touch with the moment" is perhaps a poor choice of words re: this guy

father specht--know him for many years Wrote:
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> For all of you with all the wrong info on Father
> Specht...
>
> Father Specht was married, worked for the Navy on
> Submarines, widowed with three kids, two sons and
> a daughter, youngest son was a bartender at one
> time, daughter is the middle child...became a
> priest, ordained in 1996...after wife passed away,
> he entered the seminary and became a priest...he
> is a convert to Catholicism...have known him for
> over ten years...many have suffered at the hands
> of horrible clergy, but Father Specht is not one
> of them! This man, coming forward with these
> accusations, may never know the reason for this,
> but the truth will come out--I pray for Father
> Specht and his "alleged" victim--please do not
> judge before all is revealed

Check him out on Facebook. Do you see any photos of this deceased wife or these supposed children. I don't believe you. And I believe 100% the victim is telling the truth. Why? Because I know.

Wow, three postings in a row by RomyGirl...


Have you told authorities what you "know" instead of posting it on this thread?

"I know" is totally inadequate evidence to destroy a person's good name.

I also know Father Specht and
> don't think that he could do this act, but what
> does someone have to gain by coming forward if it
> wasn't true? It's a sad, sad world with a lot of
> suffering and pain.


Pay Day, Mental Illness, or Both

Quit Demonizing Priests Wrote:
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> Pay Day, Mental Illness, or Both


and the best part is it can be done with complete anonymity... you can roll the dice and not get your own name in the news.

Yeah some bad stuff went on at HS back in the 70's. Overall HS was a great school to attend. I am pretty sure the incidents with the altar boys was the exception and not the rule. Overall it was cool except when Mrs. Barton twisted my ear. ;)

Thank you CATO.Good old-fashioned word about folks getting off their keisters! Like it. Thanks so much for you note!! You lend some reality to this situation and I'm most appreciative... and a believer.

Annandale priest under investigation of sex with minor
Investigation began in February, say police
by Gregg MacDonald, Staff Writer
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20120419/NEWS/704199724/1076/Annandale-priest-under-investigation-of-sex-with-minor&template=fairfaxTimes

An Annandale priest of the Diocese of Arlington who from 2004 to 2011 was in charge of the diocese’s Office of Child and Youth Protection was placed on administrative leave Wednesday pending the outcome of an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct involving a male minor in the late 1990s.

According to the diocese, the investigation is in its initial phase, and no final determination has yet been made regarding the allegation. “The Fairfax County Police Department was notified when the diocese received the allegation, and the diocese is cooperating fully with law enforcement,” the diocese said in a statement Wednesday.

Fairfax County police spoksesperson Luc y Caldwell said the Rev. Terry Specht of Annandale has been under investigation since February, but that no charges have been filed against him.

“Rev. Specht denies the accusation,” the Diocese said in its Wednesday statement. “The Diocese of Arlington has received no other allegations of misconduct against Rev. Specht. Like all priests, diocesan employees and volunteers who work with children, he underwent an official background check early in his tenure.”

According to the diocese, Specht served as a parochial vicar at St. Mary of Sorrows Church in Fairfax from 1996 to 2000, as chaplain and assistant principal at Paul VI Catholic High School in Fairfax from 2000 to 2004, as the Director of the diocesan Office of Child Protection and Safety from 2004 to 2011, and as administrator and pastor of Holy Spirit Church in Annandale since 2007.

Holy Spirit Church officials have denied comment on the case, but according to the church website, Specht attended St. Vincent College in Latrobe, Pa., the University of the State of New York, and the University of Hawaii. Following retirement from the U.S. Navy he attended Mount St. Mary Seminary in Emmitsburg, Md. His first assignment as a priest was at St. Mary of Sorrows parish in Fairfax Station.

“Any allegation of abuse deepens the pain felt by all Catholics, and particularly survivors of abuse. We are committed to full cooperation with law enforcement regarding this allegation, and I have directed an independent investigator to review the actions and decisions made by Father Specht during his tenure as Director of Child Protection,” said Catholic Bishop Paul S. Loverde in a statement.

Rev. Terry W. Specht
http://www.bishopaccountability.org/assign/Specht_Terry_W.htm

Summary of Case: Specht was placed on administrative leave in April 2012, due to an allegation that he had engaged in "sexual misconduct" with a teenage boy in the late 1990s. Specht was ordained in 1996, after a 21-year Navy career, where he worked on submarines. As a priest he was a high school chaplain and assistant principal, as well as the diocese's director of the Office of Child Protection and Safety, from 2004-2011. At the time of his removal from active ministry Specht was a parish pastor. Police launched a criminal investigation. Specht denied the allegations.

Ordained: 1996
Incardinated: Arlington diocese
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So how did this situation wind up?

Let me guess. The kid got a big check and a gag order and Father Specht got reassigned to another country somewhere.

Just like all the other times. Why is it always Holy Spirit and Paul VI? At least this time they could not keep the story from the media.

"Priest Accused of You Know What"

Formally coaching PSU football?

While there are many legitimate accusations that deserve prosecution (&more) the trend lately has been to remove any accused priest pending an investigation that never ends. They are simply "disappeared."

Arlington has another accused priest in whose case 5 years of investigation have yielded no more info - but he is still in limbo.

These "disappearances" serve no one well, let alone the victims past & (alleged) present. They simply serve to limit the liability of the diocese, while costing a possibly innocent priest his way of life. It's become a hopeless farce.

whats really sad is how obvious it is that the Church liked it much better when kids where just too scared to tell.
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Wish this was a real product.

always HS and PVI?
There's never been another publicly accused incident at either of these schools.

So I understand Father Specht attended 12:15 mass at HS last sunday. Sounds like the FCPS is unable to bring any charges. I thought that the Arlington diocese would have shipped him overseas by now.

granyham Wrote:
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> Sounds like the FCPS is unable
> to bring any charges.

What were they supposed to do, give him an "F"? I'd instead like to know what the reaction of the police will be.

@perspectives - already been handled :(
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The abuse goes on I believe.

I know these kinds of threads are magnets for anti-Catholic bigots and trolls of all persuasions, but for any rational, objective thinkers out there, doesn't this kind of case make you uncomfortable in a free society?

What if this man is innocent? Is it fair to treat him as if he's not?

How would YOU feel if you lost your job b/c of an unproven accusation?

Doubt Wrote:
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> I know these kinds of threads are magnets for
> anti-Catholic bigots and trolls of all
> persuasions, but for any rational, objective
> thinkers out there, doesn't this kind of case make
> you uncomfortable in a free society?
>
> What if this man is innocent? Is it fair to treat
> him as if he's not?
>
> How would YOU feel if you lost your job b/c of an
> unproven accusation?


Maybe that is a good question for the Arlington diocese as they are the only ones to take any actions against Father Specht so far. He has not been charged with any crime as far as I know.

Doubt Wrote:
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> I know these kinds of threads are magnets for
> anti-Catholic bigots and trolls of all
> persuasions, but for any rational, objective
> thinkers out there, doesn't this kind of case make
> you uncomfortable in a free society?

You only have to go to the IHOP threads to see people are losing their discomfort over things like this. People there otherwise rational in other threads are arguing that because the killed guy was in a vehicle someone else was driving, that association means his death by the off-duty officer was absolutely justified.

I thought government would kill due process, it looks like we are. "By consent of the governed" is taking a totally different (and sad) direction.

By their logic, because Fr. Specht is a priest means he should be fired and clapped in irons. No due process, assume guilt by association with an extreme minority of his coworkers.

You have no idea what you're talking about. He DID NOT attend church at HSP as you indicate. He is NOT in the area. Get a life and leave him alone, he's NOT been charged with anything.

You have the wrong guy. Father Specht has NEVER been married; he did serve in the Navy.

Enough Wrote:
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> You have the wrong guy. Father Specht has NEVER
> been married; he did serve in the Navy.


Why did Father Specht run away if he was not guilty?
He never even said goodbye to us.

catholic student Wrote:
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> Enough Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You have the wrong guy. Father Specht has
> NEVER
> > been married; he did serve in the Navy.
>
>
> Why did Father Specht run away if he was not
> guilty?
> He never even said goodbye to us.


Not his decision. First step these days is to remove an accused from the congregation. Once everything is resolved, there will be some form letter read at mass. I'm told if you drop a letter in the collection plate that it will find its way to him.

CATO Wrote:
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> I wish the police and the Diocese would get off
> their keister and declare the results of their
> investigation.
>
> There is an old saying "Steal my goods you have
> nothing but steal my good name you have
> everything. Where does Fr Specht go to get his
> good name back?


Sadly things do not work that way where the Catholic church is concerned.
The accuser withdraws his complaint after receiving a big check and signing a legal agreement not to discuss the case or settlement with anyone. The priest gets re assigned to a far corner of the world to finish out his career in peace.

EnoughAlready Wrote:
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> You have no idea what you're talking about. He
> DID NOT attend church at HSP as you indicate. He
> is NOT in the area. Get a life and leave him
> alone, he's NOT been charged with anything.


The fact that Father S has run away and seems to be in hiding makes me wonder if he is at least somewhat guilty.

my baseball coach abused me.............. in fairfax, virginia public schools.

so, stick that up your ass;

Any legit news about Father S. out there??

The Catholic church works in mysterious ways. What we know:

Police closed their investigation without bringing any charges.

May 3 - With Father Specht no longer pastor, Father deLadurantaye was named Parochial Administrator. Father Kenna remained as Parochial Vicar.

June 1 - Father Okala was also added as a Parochial Vicar.

July 6 - Father O'Donohue replaced Father deLadurantaye as Parochial Administrator.

August 17 - Deacon LaDuca was officially added to the leadership team.

I heard that some parents pulled their kids out of HSS because of this situation but it seems that they would be no less at risk at any Catholic school. For every one incident like this that makes it to mainstream media there are 3 or 4 that the AD stops with money. It makes me wonder how many of the accusations are based upon greed alone.
I am old enough to remember when Father Zonnveld disappeared overnight and went to precious blood in Culpeper, we never got the full story on that one but I heard a rumor that it was a hostile work environment claim by one of the teachers. I loved father Z but he rubbed some people the wrong way.

Latest on this accusation?

GMU Hokie Wrote:
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> Latest on this accusation?


hey , GB. love ya.
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Follower Wrote:
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> The Catholic church works in mysterious ways.
> What we know:
>
> Police closed their investigation without bringing
> any charges.
>
> May 3 - With Father Specht no longer pastor,
> Father deLadurantaye was named Parochial
> Administrator. Father Kenna remained as Parochial
> Vicar.
>
> June 1 - Father Okala was also added as a
> Parochial Vicar.
>
> July 6 - Father O'Donohue replaced Father
> deLadurantaye as Parochial Administrator.
>
> August 17 - Deacon LaDuca was officially added to
> the leadership team.


I feel that we must assume that Father S. was guilty. He ran away and hid.

Follower Wrote:
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> Police closed their investigation without bringing
> any charges.

Do you have a source on that? A public record or something?

center pew Wrote:
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>
> I feel that we must assume that Father S. was
> guilty. He ran away and hid.

How you figure? He was suspended and then no charges were filed? How do you conclude he is guilty from that? Especially with no actual evidence or even an accuser?

CATO Wrote:
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> I wish the police and the Diocese would get off
> their keister and declare the results of their
> investigation.
>
> There is an old saying "Steal my goods you have
> nothing but steal my good name you have
> everything. Where does Fr Specht go to get his
> good name back?


The result of the police investigation is "no charges filed"

I heard that father Terry was assigned to a church in Norway.

parishoner Wrote:
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> The result of the police investigation is "no
> charges filed"
>
> I heard that father Terry was assigned to a church
> in Norway.

Do you have a source for either one of these statements? Not challenging, just still looking for hard information.

This case is nearly two years old now and Father Terry Specht is still in hiding. I guess we can assume he was guilty?

From the Arlington Catholic Herald for the week January 23-29.

"Father Terry W. Specht - from Pastor of the Church of the Holy Spirit in Annandale to medical retirement with private residence, was effective January 1, 2014."

Father Specht was still officially pastor of Holy Spirit until 12/31/2013, but he was officially suspended during that time and not acting as a priest. I had heard rumors he was working for a company in the area, but it was nothing more than a rumor.

The fact that no charges were ever filed by the Commonwealth Attorney indicates to me that he was probably not guilty and there was insufficient evidence to support charges. I had heard a rumor (and I take it as nothing but a rumor) that the Fairfax County Police didn't have enough evidence to sustain an investigation, much less charges.

Kardinal Wrote:
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> From the Arlington Catholic Herald for the week
> January 23-29.
>
> "Father Terry W. Specht - from Pastor of the
> Church of the Holy Spirit in Annandale to medical
> retirement with private residence, was effective
> January 1, 2014."
>
> Father Specht was still officially pastor of Holy
> Spirit until 12/31/2013, but he was officially
> suspended during that time and not acting as a
> priest. I had heard rumors he was working for a
> company in the area, but it was nothing more than
> a rumor.
>
> The fact that no charges were ever filed by the
> Commonwealth Attorney indicates to me that he was
> probably not guilty and there was insufficient
> evidence to support charges. I had heard a rumor
> (and I take it as nothing but a rumor) that the
> Fairfax County Police didn't have enough evidence
> to sustain an investigation, much less charges.


Father Specht and I helped my daughter through some tough times a few years back. She was stunned and hurt that he just disappeared like that. I know he is a great man and he must have had his reasons for going away like that.

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> This case is nearly two years old now and Father
> Terry Specht is still in hiding. I guess we can
> assume he was guilty?


Don't know weather he was guilty or not but Holy Spirit has quite the reputation going all the way back to the 1960s.

Have a strong personal interest in any info about priests at HS during the late '60s early '70s. My family joined HS when it was founded at Woodson High School in 1964. Things turned tragic for my family in 1971. Please contact me if you know anything about the priests who were at HS during that time. Thank you.



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digger207 Wrote:
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> Have a strong personal interest in any info about
> priests at HS during the late '60s early '70s. My
> family joined HS when it was founded at Woodson
> High School in 1964. Things turned tragic for my
> family in 1971. Please contact me if you know
> anything about the priests who were at HS during
> that time. Thank you.


I do not recall any abuse at Holy Spirit but there were stories about the spring break retreats that they would send kids on. I think a couple Brothers from the Seminary were responsible for some abuse on a couple retreats but it all got covered up. I have no evidence it was just some stories I heard in Mrs. Barton's class. God bless you and try to get on with your life, it was a long time ago.

Catholictards
Lolz
Nip

digger207 I have info on the priests from then and would be willing to talk. How can I get a hold of you?

It was strange back then. The girls were never approached. It was the boys who were/are victims.

I was told Cauwe & DeWolf were the predators. My brother was an altar boy in the rectory with Cauwe. DeWolf hung around our house a lot. My brother took his own life at 16.

Whatever happened to you? You doing okay?

All those abusers are long dead but I have to wonder if the abuse still goes on today. It always amazed me how the parishioners would immediately rally behind the priests and call the already abused kid a liar who was going to hell if he did not stop. These kids got double abuse and it's no wonder some of them end up killing themselves. I was raised Catholic but the Catholic church sickens me and I have zero respect for Catholics today.

the church would never be destroyed from outside...but gay communists infiltrating the church along with false popes after 1958 (read up on sedvacantism) moving cancer from church to church PURPOSEFULLY rather than cutting it out has done what thousands of years of roman persecutions,
world war genocides (christians were the true target/victims of ww1/2/3)

hope you are still christian and that you pray for the church and my local catholic church is very different from the vatican which has illegitimate popes

HS kid Wrote:
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> All those abusers are long dead but I have to
> wonder if the abuse still goes on today. It always
> amazed me how the parishioners would immediately
> rally behind the priests and call the already
> abused kid a liar who was going to hell if he did
> not stop. These kids got double abuse and it's no
> wonder some of them end up killing themselves. I
> was raised Catholic but the Catholic church
> sickens me and I have zero respect for Catholics
> today.

I dont understand how anyone can support holy spirit after all that has gone on there.

a victim 2 Wrote:
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> I dont understand how anyone can support holy
> spirit after all that has gone on there.


Just because a few kids got touched does not mean the entire church is bad.

Fr Robert Avella of st leos molested me in the 90's/2000's. I reported him after 10 years of silence and the police did nothing. The diocese is actively covering it up, filing a protective order against me despite the fact that I haven't seen him in several years. He's at our lady of Lourdes in Arlington now. Soon I will go down there and send him to hell myself.

Fuck the diocese Wrote:
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> Fr Robert Avella of st leos molested me in the
> 90's/2000's. I reported him after 10 years of
> silence and the police did nothing. The diocese is
> actively covering it up, filing a protective order
> against me despite the fact that I haven't seen
> him in several years. He's at our lady of Lourdes
> in Arlington now. Soon I will go down there and
> send him to hell myself.


If what you say is true he will get there on his own eventually. Please don't destroy the rest of your life. Doing that would only make you a victim again.

http://www.snapnetwork.org/

I've contacted SNAP as well as bishop accountability. Bishop accountability refused to list fr avella among the accused. SNAP just referred me to bishop accountability. For all I know the church owns those sites. I'm just as frustrated with FCPD a the diocese for failing to serve justice. Mister Flack - I agree with you, my favorite teacher in high school was a Puerto Rican Catholic and thanks to her I know that not all Catholics are bad. But as with "good" cops, you can't defend your bad corners and truly be good

Fuck the diocese Wrote:
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> I've contacted SNAP as well as bishop
> accountability. Bishop accountability refused to
> list fr avella among the accused. SNAP just
> referred me to bishop accountability. For all I
> know the church owns those sites. I'm just as
> frustrated with FCPD a the diocese for failing to
> serve justice. Mister Flack - I agree with you, my
> favorite teacher in high school was a Puerto Rican
> Catholic and thanks to her I know that not all
> Catholics are bad. But as with "good" cops, you
> can't defend your bad corners and truly be good


I hear you man. The sad truth is that the Catholic Church is more powerful than our government is. You have to try to let it go but I know it's hard. I get a sick feeling every time I drive out Braddock road and pass that horrible place.

The physical abuse we endured is nothing compared to the mental suffering it causes. I sure hope the abuse is not still taking place today and maybe it's not happening in Fairfax today but we know it is still a tradition in the church as a whole.

Thank you for your kind words HS kid. The protective order he filed against me is the worst. I can't move on with it hanging over my head. Before he added insult to injury calling me a stalker, I was willing to accept that the police couldn't do anything. But now the cops have taken my firearms and I'm not going to take that. If he thinks that piece of paper is going to keep him safe he has another thing coming

I obviously want to be stopped otherwise I wouldn't be posting about it on the interweb. I don't want to throw my life away but if things don't change soon I damn sure will

Penta Cost Wrote:
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> This case is nearly two years old now and Father
> Terry Specht is still in hiding. I guess we can
> assume he was guilty?


Duh!

I like the guy defending Fr. Pervy by saying, "He CAN'T be gay! He loves football and beer!" Best laugh I've had in a while.

Catholics are the worst people on the planet.

If there is a hell, pedophiles and people who protect pedophiles will go to hell. I wonder if any Catholics will go to heaven? It doesn't seem so.

The statute of limitations has NOT run out!! See: http://martinwrenlaw.com/blog/2014/statute-of-limitations-for-sexual-abuse-in-virginia/

Also, contact: Becky Ianni, SNAP Network Virginia State Leader. Her Phone is: 703-801-6044 (cell), and her Email is: SNAPVirginia@cox.net

For ANYONE needing help with this, check for your local SNAP Network chapter here: http://www.snapnetwork.org/united_states

SNAP or the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (www.SNAPnetwork.org) is a self-help group that supports people who have been victimized by clergy, and helps them try to pick up the pieces of their lives, heal and move forward.

Geezus Fack Wrote:
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> Catholics are the worst people on the planet.




Lol you don't know shit.
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Muslim pedophiles Wrote:
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> Geezus Fack Wrote:
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> > Catholics are the worst people on the planet.
>
>
>
>
> Lol you don't know shit.
> -------


Post all the ignorant little pictures you want, it still doesn't change the fact that Christians are far worse than any old Muslim when it comes to rape and violence. I know you are scared of them because you were born an ignorant coward so I understand that posting stupid stuff helps you deal with that.

former altar boy Wrote:
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> Muslim pedophiles Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Geezus Fack Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Catholics are the worst people on the planet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lol you don't know shit.
> > -------
>
>
> Post all the ignorant little pictures you want, it
> still doesn't change the fact that Christians are
> far worse than any old Muslim when it comes to
> rape and violence. I know you are scared of them
> because you were born an ignorant coward so I
> understand that posting stupid stuff helps you
> deal with that.


Tell us how you were abused my son.

:-)
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Let me just start by congratulating you on something that is overlooked by 98% of people. I m sure you get inundated wit all these "facts" about f.r. Specht. First he was a master chief in the navy. (No wife, no children ( i know of. He entered Mount St. Marys later in life. I was home schooled so I naturally became his alterboy at Old St. Mary's Catholic church for daily mass. I grew up with strick conservative parents and the fact that they let me hang out with him (such an unconventional priest who listed to my same music. I thought him so cool I even called him my uncle to prevent embarrasment.He didn't mind that I smoked, (kool was his brand. That was just the beginning, wild turkey 101proof was his brand,and billiard or bulldog pipes were his favorite (with English tobacco.FYI the long sleeves were not for tattoos, rather one. A once colorful parrot that has sense been lazed leaving a scrawny stickfigure. Well I guess I've been going and on, so now to the point,he continued to become more sexual with me in subtle but more frequent ways. ( l was a minor at the.well after his grooming was complete, he decided to start with a massage turning into oral sax. I was terrified. I do not want money for the good parishioners of the Catholic churh. I do not want to defame the church. Rather I will ensure this never happens again det. Chambers investigated this case, along with the.D.a.anoth with the Church board.as well as a contractor fib profiler. Let's just say he was involuntarily retired. Any questions,The proof is by far bad enough

Josephus Wrote:
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> Let me just start by congratulating you on
> something that is overlooked by 98% of people. I m
> sure you get inundated wit all these "facts" about
> f.r. Specht. First he was a master chief in the
> navy. (No wife, no children ( i know of. He
> entered Mount St. Marys later in life. I was home
> schooled so I naturally became his alterboy at Old
> St. Mary's Catholic church for daily mass. I
> grew up with strick conservative parents and the
> fact that they let me hang out with him (such an
> unconventional priest who listed to my same music.
> I thought him so cool I even called him my uncle
> to prevent embarrasment.He didn't mind that I
> smoked, (kool was his brand. That was just the
> beginning, wild turkey 101proof was his brand,and
> billiard or bulldog pipes were his favorite
> (with English tobacco.FYI the long sleeves were
> not for tattoos, rather one. A once colorful
> parrot that has sense been lazed leaving a
> scrawny stickfigure. Well I guess I've been going
> and on, so now to the point,he continued to become
> more sexual with me in subtle but more frequent
> ways. ( l was a minor at the.well after his
> grooming was complete, he decided to start with a
> massage turning into oral sax. I was terrified. I
> do not want money for the good parishioners of the
> Catholic churh. I do not want to defame the
> church. Rather I will ensure this never happens
> again det. Chambers investigated this case, along
> with the.D.a.anoth with the Church board.as well
> as a contractor fib profiler. Let's just say he
> was involuntarily retired. Any questions,The proof
> is by far bad enough


Damn. Who home schooled you? They did a shitty job.

I think we have found the perfect job for Derek Mohler!!!

Josephus Wrote:
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> Let me just start by congratulating you on
> something that is overlooked by 98% of people. I m
> sure you get inundated wit all these "facts" about
> f.r. Specht. First he was a master chief in the
> navy. (No wife, no children ( i know of. He
> entered Mount St. Marys later in life. I was home
> schooled so I naturally became his alterboy at Old
> St. Mary's Catholic church for daily mass. I
> grew up with strick conservative parents and the
> fact that they let me hang out with him (such an
> unconventional priest who listed to my same music.
> I thought him so cool I even called him my uncle
> to prevent embarrasment.He didn't mind that I
> smoked, (kool was his brand. That was just the
> beginning, wild turkey 101proof was his brand,and
> billiard or bulldog pipes were his favorite
> (with English tobacco.FYI the long sleeves were
> not for tattoos, rather one. A once colorful
> parrot that has sense been lazed leaving a
> scrawny stickfigure. Well I guess I've been going
> and on, so now to the point,he continued to become
> more sexual with me in subtle but more frequent
> ways. ( l was a minor at the.well after his
> grooming was complete, he decided to start with a
> massage turning into oral sax. I was terrified. I
> do not want money for the good parishioners of the
> Catholic churh. I do not want to defame the
> church. Rather I will ensure this never happens
> again det. Chambers investigated this case, along
> with the.D.a.anoth with the Church board.as well
> as a contractor fib profiler. Let's just say he
> was involuntarily retired. Any questions,The proof
> is by far bad enough

I am sorry this happened to you. Pedo Fag priests are all going to hell, if there is one.

There are so many Pedo Fag priests who were never punished for their sins. I wonder how many Pedo Fag priests are still defiling their flock?

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In fact Christians are the world leaders when it comes to child molesting.

Muslim countries still allow child marriage in 2018.


Simply unbelievable.

Most child molesters are white Christians.

Rapists are mostly Black.

social wkr Wrote:
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> Most child molesters are white Christians.
>
> Rapists are mostly Black.


Yeah white people are cowards, the abuse the weak and defenseless.

Sherlock Wrote:
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> Muslim countries still allow child marriage in
> 2018.
>
>
> Simply unbelievable.






What do you expect? Their beloved leader, mohamed married a 6 year old child, then popped her cherry at 9 years old. Disgusting!

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The Commonwealth refused to charge both Avella and Specht. Avella filed a protective order against his victim after he made a police report. Blatant cover up. What's more, both Specht and Avella were at St Leo's before being transferred/aided and abetted. That's where Ray Morrogh's kids went to school. Ray, being a parishioner, was legally obligated to recused both cases to another district. He did not. Something really needs to be done, legally or extrajudicially

Since being accused, "cleared" and destroying his victim's life with a malicious protective order, fr avella has been promoted to monsigneur by the pope himself. This whole business really does stink all the way to the top. Victims keep quiet for years but we never forget

Allegations of prosecutorial misconduct are almost as serious as clergy abuse itself. Mr Morrogh grew up with untouchable mafiosos beating up his lil bro. Such corruption is apparently what motivated him to become a prosecutor in the first place. It's sad how power changes people though. He's become what he hated though I doubt he'll ever even admit that to himself. Probably still thinks he's Robin hood or whatever

I am still holding out hope for legal recourse. However, if that never happens and he dies without facing justice, I will shoot everyone who attends his funeral in the throat. Everyone who has defended him and let him preach about god is guilty by proxy and must die

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> I am still holding out hope for legal recourse.
> However, if that never happens and he dies without
> facing justice, I will shoot everyone who attends
> his funeral in the throat. Everyone who has
> defended him and let him preach about god is
> guilty by proxy and must die


I think you are exaggerating but you should not make threats on a public forum. You should have a talk with your parents about this.

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> I wish the police and the Diocese would get off
> their keister and declare the results of their
> investigation.
>
> There is an old saying "Steal my goods you have
> nothing but steal my good name you have
> everything. Where does Fr Specht go to get his
> good name back?

He doesn't. And soon monsigneur avella will be stripped of his "good" name too.

ffxu roadside assistance Wrote:
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> Vengeance is mine Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am still holding out hope for legal recourse.
> > However, if that never happens and he dies
> without
> > facing justice, I will shoot everyone who
> attends
> > his funeral in the throat. Everyone who has
> > defended him and let him preach about god is
> > guilty by proxy and must die
>
>
> I think you are exaggerating but you should not
> make threats on a public forum. You should have a
> talk with your parents about this.


am I though? the past is set in stone but no one knows the future... maybe ill go for throat shots, maybe Ill aim lower? maybe ill go the ANFO route and bring down the whole damn church? what's it to you? resources wasted trying to stop me are better spent serving actual justice. treat the cause not the symptoms

I dont expect to walk out of there.....

ffxu roadside assistance Wrote:
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> Vengeance is mine Wrote:
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> I think you are exaggerating but you should not
> make threats on a public forum. You should have a
> talk with your parents about this.

you must be a parishioner huh? delusional lil faggot, if god exists he obviously doesnt give a fuck about you or anyone. and anyone who "knows" the nature of god is a con artist at the very fucking least

This has been going on for centuries. That's what happens when you exclude married men from the priesthood. Back in the day, at least the church executed their own when the screwed kids. These days the church spends millions on lawyers to protect the pedos and defile the victims even more. This is exactly why I'm considering ANFO instead of private revenge in the confessional
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> Bob Malm, perjuring priest

If thats the guy I think it is I went to him for help a couple years back with this lady named Ms. Huff... I wanted him to go to the Arlington bishop with me for moral support. he told me he was ex FCPD too and refused to help. was he really lying? thats disturbed in itself. If theyre not pedos, theyre con artists without exception

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> Have a strong personal interest in any info about
> priests at HS during the late '60s early '70s. My
> family joined HS when it was founded at Woodson
> High School in 1964. Things turned tragic for my
> family in 1971. Please contact me if you know
> anything about the priests who were at HS during
> that time. Thank you.


Kid touch bump

Holy Spirit had some of that stuff.

Why did it take nearly 10 years to even start the process of locking up this rapist from Holy Spirit?

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/retired-arlington-priest-charged-with-sexual-abusing-minor/2921180/

Eesh

Michael Josef Basl

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I wonder if child molestation still takes place at Holy Spirit?

I heard they're just looking for money. I was an Altar Boy for Fr. Specht and he gave great homilies. I always thought real highly of him and liked him being the Pastor, but he could be strict too.

I heard the accusers are just looking for money, I thought Fr. Specht was a great, smart man. I served Mass amongst dozens of other boys at Holy Spirit for years.

Oct 6th of 2022 father Specht was found not guilty by a Fairfax grand jury.

Why did it take so long to do this? It was close to 10 years.

William Moreno Arrest Record


William Robert Moreno
Moreno, William Robert
aliases: Frank Krow, Frank_Krow, Mr. Misery, Miz, jimmylegs, Voodooslut

known associates: Christopher James Tator, Chris Tator, Tator Tots











William Moreno aka Mr. Misery aka Miz aka Frank Krow is a pedophile. There weren't just one or two posts, but enough to establish a clear and solid pattern. William Moreno also lived with a twice-convicted child molester named Christopher J, Tator, who he helped to evade the sex offender registry requirements. Chris Tator is now back in federal prison.

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William Robert Moreno
some children are very fuckable, let's face it

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William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby in its tight little asshole. And he loved every minute of it.

allegedly.

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William Robert Moreno
I'm about to fuck a baby in his soft spot.

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William Robert Moreno
what, you don't wanna help me fuck this baby? we could do double penetration on this toddler bitch. one in each hole. lookit this little slut. she's just beggin' for it. watta fuckin whore.

suck mah dick bee-yotch.....

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William Robert Moreno
one time, I was fucking this baby up the ass, it was crying so I started shaking it. It stopped crying, I came inside it, put it back in its crib, then climbed out the window. I wonder what ever happened to that baby.

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William Robert Moreno
I ate out a toddler's asshole tonight.

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William Robert Moreno
hamtaro, wanna help me fuck this baby?

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William Robert Moreno
I raped a baby

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William Robert Moreno
just got done fucking this baby......man was he sweet. I gave him a reach-around in his sweet little soft spot. It was soooooooooooooooo hot.

we watched Zooballee Zoo after I finished.

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William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby...it was consensual

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William Robert Moreno
I wish I could have a baby.

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by the way, I just got done getting a blowjob from a 3 month-old, so I'm all tuckered out........see you guise tomaorrow.

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I don't care if they are underage, I'll still fuck 'em. I'll rape all their highschool boy asses, one by one. I'll cum in each and every one of their gay boy asses, then we'll see who's gay. ... I'll tell ya that much, muchacho!!! I'LL BUTTFUCK EVERY ONE OF YA! 15, 16, 17, DOESN'T MATTER! I'LL ASS-RAPE YOU! I'M A FUCKING MAD MAN! I'LL FUCK ANYTHING THAT MOVES! ASK ANYONE ROUND HERE!

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like, can you get in trouble in any way for just buying a copy of Tiger Beat? If you were a grown man let's say, and you were slightly overweight and had a beard and large glasses and you look a little funny, and you just went into a Walgreens and bought nothing but a copy of Tiger Beat....and maybe also a box of condoms. Could you get arrested based solely on your purchase? Is that probable cause or something? Or if you bought a Kidz Bop CD. Anything like that. If a grown man bought something of that sort, and he looked a little ugly and odd maybe, could he hypothetically get arrested for that?

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is it illegal for a grown man to attempt to have a serious conversation with a kindergarten child about politics or religion, if they are not related and just happen to be sitting next to each other on a park bench or something? Is it really illegal?

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William Robert Moreno
can a grown man and a little girl, unrelated and strangers to each other, have dinner together at a fancy restaurant? Legally? Let's say they meet outside the gym or something and decide to have dinner together, and that's it. That is the extent of the interaction. Is it illegal?

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