Whatever happened to the cop who shot and killed the teenager who was driving away after Dining and Dashing at the Alexandria IHOP?

From what I remember he was hired by IHOP, he was off duty, the teenagers dined and dashed were driving towards him, he said they were trying to hit him, so he pulled his gun and fired multiple times as the car passed him hitting and killing the kid in the back seat. The key was he fired as the car was past him, so he was out of danger BUT decided to shoot anyway.

The result was good. Dining and dashing decreased by 67% at IHOPs in the region.

Agreed, kept the prices down and hopped up customers from dining there

I love these feel good threads.
Bravo to the cops shooting skills.

He was awarded a lifetime Rooty Tooty Fresh 'N Fruity card for free meals.

Highlander Wrote:
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> He was awarded a lifetime Rooty Tooty Fresh 'N
> Fruity card for free meals.


Nah, they issue those in the academy.

Who cares what happned to him....some kid got smoked for breaking the law whomp whomp

ok back to the topic here's a rumor I heard. Supposedly the shooting really messed with the cop mentally and he had to be committed. Of course he was relieved of duty after the murder. Combination of PTSD, death threats from the kid's friends, family, and the fact that he shot a kid was apparently too much for him to handle. Go figure

The officer in the IHOP shooting is now a local home improvement contractor. FCPD has a warrant out on him in relation to the "illegals for hire" scheme where the illegals were being killed at the end of the job in order that the contractor could avoid paying them. Several bodies were found in the dumpster of the IHOP on the night of the shooting.

iHeard Wrote:
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> ok back to the topic here's a rumor I heard.
> Supposedly the shooting really messed with the cop
> mentally and he had to be committed. Of course he
> was relieved of duty after the murder.
> Combination of PTSD, death threats from the kid's
> friends, family, and the fact that he shot a kid
> was apparently too much for him to handle. Go
> figure


I don't think you're correct. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=&sid=1021053

He retired with full benefits.

"Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer Stowe had followed his police department's rules," the family announced in a statement through their attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief Baker has announced a new policy...we hope this prevents other needless deaths."


How about Aaron would not have died if he has paid for his meal as does everyone else. This is why youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find excuses to justify actions that are simply unacceptable.

No excuse for shooting the kid. Why not taser him instead. I am sure we paid a lot of our taxes in the wrongful death case.

Please Wrote:
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> No excuse for shooting the kid. Why not taser him
> instead. I am sure we paid a lot of our taxes in
> the wrongful death case.


Yes, tase a kid in a moving car. Way to think that one out Einstein.

The kid set a series of events into motion that lead to his own death.

... Wrote:
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> "Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer Stowe
> had followed his police department's rules," the
> family announced in a statement through their
> attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief Baker
> has announced a new policy...we hope this prevents
> other needless deaths."
>
>
> How about Aaron would not have died if he has paid
> for his meal as does everyone else. This is why
> youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find
> excuses to justify actions that are simply
> unacceptable.


Man what a bunch of fucking assholes respond on here.... A kid gets shot and killed for dining and dashing and the biggest asshole of all replies, that had he paid for his meal he wouldn't have been shot and then blames the parents for saying something. I tell you what asshole! Why dont we follow you around and the next time you speed above the posted limit we blow your head off..... don't do the crime if you can't do the time!! that will teach you to speed!

... Wrote:
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>
> How about Aaron would not have died if he has paid
> for his meal as does everyone else. This is why
> youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find
> excuses to justify actions that are simply
> unacceptable.

So, by your logic...anyone who skips on a restaurant check DESERVES to be shot and killed in the parking lot? Mind you, I'm not advocating that they get to walk out on their check with NO repurcussions but, the dude didn't need to smoke the kid for it.

You're a moonlighting Alexandria Police Officer working at an IHOP. Somebody comes in and tries to rob the place yeah...you smoke THAT person. Empty the clip on THAT person. Somebody skips out on a check and you can't restrain them prior to reaching their vehicle yeah...you take down the plates and call your detective buddy that's alwyas cracking your nuts for repeatedly failing the sergeant's exam and tell him you've got an easy collar for him to follow up on...

Captain.20 Wrote:
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> ... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > How about Aaron would not have died if he has
> paid
> > for his meal as does everyone else. This is why
> > youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find
> > excuses to justify actions that are simply
> > unacceptable.
>
> So, by your logic...anyone who skips on a
> restaurant check DESERVES to be shot and killed in
> the parking lot? Mind you, I'm not advocating that
> they get to walk out on their check with NO
> repurcussions but, the dude didn't need to smoke
> the kid for it.
>
> You're a moonlighting Alexandria Police Officer
> working at an IHOP. Somebody comes in and tries to
> rob the place yeah...you smoke THAT person. Empty
> the clip on THAT person. Somebody skips out on a
> check and you can't restrain them prior to
> reaching their vehicle yeah...you take down the
> plates and call your detective buddy that's alwyas
> cracking your nuts for repeatedly failing the
> sergeant's exam and tell him you've got an easy
> collar for him to follow up on...


This saved the taxpayers the cost of an investigation, arrest, trial and incarceration.

4real Wrote:
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> ... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer
> Stowe
> > had followed his police department's rules,"
> the
> > family announced in a statement through their
> > attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief Baker
> > has announced a new policy...we hope this
> prevents
> > other needless deaths."
> >
> >
> > How about Aaron would not have died if he has
> paid
> > for his meal as does everyone else. This is why
> > youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find
> > excuses to justify actions that are simply
> > unacceptable.
>
>
> Man what a bunch of fucking assholes respond on
> here.... A kid gets shot and killed for dining and
> dashing and the biggest asshole of all replies,
> that had he paid for his meal he wouldn't have
> been shot and then blames the parents for saying
> something. I tell you what asshole! Why dont we
> follow you around and the next time you speed
> above the posted limit we blow your head off.....
> don't do the crime if you can't do the time!!
> that will teach you to speed!

Your logic makes absolutely no sense. If the kid and his dumbass drunk friends wouldn't have dine and dashed, disregarded a police officer's orders, and then drove at him, he wouldn't have got shot. You're almost as dumb as the parents.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2012 03:08PM by jigga.

4real Wrote:
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> ... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer
> Stowe
> > had followed his police department's rules,"
> the
> > family announced in a statement through their
> > attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief Baker
> > has announced a new policy...we hope this
> prevents
> > other needless deaths."
> >
> >
> > How about Aaron would not have died if he has
> paid
> > for his meal as does everyone else. This is why
> > youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find
> > excuses to justify actions that are simply
> > unacceptable.
>
>
> Man what a bunch of fucking assholes respond on
> here.... A kid gets shot and killed for dining and
> dashing and the biggest asshole of all replies,
> that had he paid for his meal he wouldn't have
> been shot and then blames the parents for saying
> something. I tell you what asshole! Why dont we
> follow you around and the next time you speed
> above the posted limit we blow your head off.....
> don't do the crime if you can't do the time!!
> that will teach you to speed!

That is a great idea! The way people drive around here they should be shot.
Lets also shoot:
Flash Mob participants
7-11 trolling Beaners
All Yuppies
Most Koreans (excepting the ones who work in the massage places)
Thank You!

One less teenage dirtbag. Had he simply paid for his meal, none of this would have occurred. I blame the parents for raising such an irresponsible teenager. The cop may or may not have violated policy yet no criminal charges were filed so the homicide has been found to be justified.

jigga Wrote:
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> 4real Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ... Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > "Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer
> > Stowe
> > > had followed his police department's rules,"
> > the
> > > family announced in a statement through their
> > > attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief
> Baker
> > > has announced a new policy...we hope this
> > prevents
> > > other needless deaths."
> > >
> > >
> > > How about Aaron would not have died if he has
> > paid
> > > for his meal as does everyone else. This is
> why
> > > youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find
> > > excuses to justify actions that are simply
> > > unacceptable.
> >
> >
> > Man what a bunch of fucking assholes respond on
> > here.... A kid gets shot and killed for dining
> and
> > dashing and the biggest asshole of all replies,
> > that had he paid for his meal he wouldn't have
> > been shot and then blames the parents for
> saying
> > something. I tell you what asshole! Why dont
> we
> > follow you around and the next time you speed
> > above the posted limit we blow your head
> off.....
> > don't do the crime if you can't do the time!!
> > that will teach you to speed!
>
> Your logic makes absolutely no sense. If the kid
> and his dumbass drunk friends wouldn't have dine
> and dashed, disregarded a police officer's orders,
> and then drove at him, he wouldn't have got shot.
> You're almost as dumb as the parents.


Listen you stupid fucking Nazi, you are to stupid to use the word logic, never mind following any. Of course you cant follow it.. it doesn't lead you to where you want to go. The Logic you idiotstick is NOONE should be shot for any circumstance involving a $26 item or charge. Why did this cop put himself
in this situation over a $26 IHOP check? What the Fuck is this guys deal.. we are talking about an 18 year old kid, Eagle Scout who this Barney Fife cop shot and killed because he did not pay a $26 IHOP check. Why not just jump out of the way... the 53 page report of the incident says Barney started firing as the Jeep was turning towards him in the parking lot... he shot 6 times!!! He hit the jeep from the front all the way to rear .... He fired with a 2 handed grip! Doesnt sound like he was in danger to me .... Probably why Alexandria paid $1.1 million to the family in a civil suit BUT gave him a 3 day suspension.

4real Wrote:
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> Listen you stupid fucking Nazi,


That is where I stopped reading. Throwing the Nazi label out negates anything meaningful you might have to say....

4real Wrote:
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> jigga Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 4real Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ... Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > "Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer
> > > Stowe
> > > > had followed his police department's
> rules,"
> > > the
> > > > family announced in a statement through
> their
> > > > attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief
> > Baker
> > > > has announced a new policy...we hope this
> > > prevents
> > > > other needless deaths."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How about Aaron would not have died if he
> has
> > > paid
> > > > for his meal as does everyone else. This is
> > why
> > > > youth is out of hands nowadays, parents
> find
> > > > excuses to justify actions that are simply
> > > > unacceptable.
> > >
> > >
> > > Man what a bunch of fucking assholes respond
> on
> > > here.... A kid gets shot and killed for
> dining
> > and
> > > dashing and the biggest asshole of all
> replies,
> > > that had he paid for his meal he wouldn't
> have
> > > been shot and then blames the parents for
> > saying
> > > something. I tell you what asshole! Why
> dont
> > we
> > > follow you around and the next time you speed
> > > above the posted limit we blow your head
> > off.....
> > > don't do the crime if you can't do the time!!
>
> > > that will teach you to speed!
> >
> > Your logic makes absolutely no sense. If the
> kid
> > and his dumbass drunk friends wouldn't have
> dine
> > and dashed, disregarded a police officer's
> orders,
> > and then drove at him, he wouldn't have got
> shot.
> > You're almost as dumb as the parents.
>
>
> Listen you stupid fucking Nazi, you are to stupid
> to use the word logic, never mind following any.
> Of course you cant follow it.. it doesn't lead you
> to where you want to go. The Logic you idiotstick
> is NOONE should be shot for any circumstance
> involving a $26 item or charge. Why did this cop
> put himself
> in this situation over a $26 IHOP check? What the
> Fuck is this guys deal.. we are talking about an
> 18 year old kid, Eagle Scout who this Barney Fife
> cop shot and killed because he did not pay a $26
> IHOP check. Why not just jump out of the way...
> the 53 page report of the incident says Barney
> started firing as the Jeep was turning towards him
> in the parking lot... he shot 6 times!!! He hit
> the jeep from the front all the way to rear ....
> He fired with a 2 handed grip! Doesnt sound like
> he was in danger to me .... Probably why
> Alexandria paid $1.1 million to the family in a
> civil suit BUT gave him a 3 day suspension.

If you're going to try and come at me with your bullshit, get your grammar right fucktard.

"Listen you stupid fucking Nazi, you are to stupid to use the word logic"

I believe you're looking for the word 'too'. Were you the dumbass driver? You seem a little sensitive about the subject.

Godwin's law

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

4real, non-empathetic facist is the term I would've used

jigga Wrote:
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> Your logic makes absolutely no sense. If the kid
> and his dumbass drunk friends wouldn't have dine
> and dashed, disregarded a police officer's orders,
> and then drove at him, he wouldn't have got shot.
> You're almost as dumb as the parents.

He was in the BACK SEAT, he had no control over the vehicle. If you suggest that he should've exited the moving vehicle then you're as stupid and shortsighted as the cop was. Also, if you knew anything about what police are trained to do when there is a car coming towards them you would know that you do not fire randomly into the vehicle. You aim to disable the driver, NOT the passengers who have no control over the vehicle who may or may not be unwilling participants. Not to mention the range he was at makes it so there should be no excuse as to why he was firing at the passengers. The fact is that the officer acted negligently without due concern for the safety of the passengers and others in the immediate vincinty, and choose to discharge his firearm.

He made a good point. No prizes for style/grammar though.
A small property crime is no reason to smoke someone. Virginia law has been established about this for a LONG time. You just try killing some kid who steals your $50 lawn gnome and see where it gets you.
The cop in this case was clearly over-zealous in stepping in front of the Jeep. He put himself in that situation unnecessarily. I'm not sure what the prosecutor should have charged him with, but it doesn't sound like his punishment was sufficient.

Maybe his asshole buddies learned just to pay their bill next time, but I doubt it

I hope the supporters on this thread are not other officers.

If that is the case FXPD, arlington pd should clean house. I'm sure there's plenty of qualified people who would love to take their job.

Let's get the IA investigation going.

It happened in Alexandria with the Alexandria police, plus its old news. Dont get too worked up junior

I say the cop was in the wrong to shoot an unarmed kid doing a Dine and Dash at the IHOP.

Anyone know how much the bill was?

Life is worth more then a few bucks.

Uh, No Wrote:
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> 4real, non-empathetic facist is the term I
> would've used
>
> jigga Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your logic makes absolutely no sense. If the
> kid
> > and his dumbass drunk friends wouldn't have
> dine
> > and dashed, disregarded a police officer's
> orders,
> > and then drove at him, he wouldn't have got
> shot.
> > You're almost as dumb as the parents.
>
> He was in the BACK SEAT, he had no control over
> the vehicle. If you suggest that he should've
> exited the moving vehicle then you're as stupid
> and shortsighted as the cop was. Also, if you knew
> anything about what police are trained to do when
> there is a car coming towards them you would know
> that you do not fire randomly into the vehicle.
> You aim to disable the driver, NOT the passengers
> who have no control over the vehicle who may or
> may not be unwilling participants. Not to mention
> the range he was at makes it so there should be no
> excuse as to why he was firing at the passengers.
> The fact is that the officer acted negligently
> without due concern for the safety of the
> passengers and others in the immediate vincinty,
> and choose to discharge his firearm.

He chose to get in the vehicle while a crime was in progress, dickhead. The cop tried to disable the driver but obviously missed. Don't do stupid shit like these assholes and you won't have to worry about things like this. You and 4real should go fuck each other with your irrefutable logic.

jigga Wrote:
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> Uh, No Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 4real, non-empathetic facist is the term I
> > would've used
> >
> > jigga Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Your logic makes absolutely no sense. If the
> > kid
> > > and his dumbass drunk friends wouldn't have
> > dine
> > > and dashed, disregarded a police officer's
> > orders,
> > > and then drove at him, he wouldn't have got
> > shot.
> > > You're almost as dumb as the parents.
> >
> > He was in the BACK SEAT, he had no control over
> > the vehicle. If you suggest that he should've
> > exited the moving vehicle then you're as stupid
> > and shortsighted as the cop was. Also, if you
> knew
> > anything about what police are trained to do
> when
> > there is a car coming towards them you would
> know
> > that you do not fire randomly into the vehicle.
> > You aim to disable the driver, NOT the
> passengers
> > who have no control over the vehicle who may or
> > may not be unwilling participants. Not to
> mention
> > the range he was at makes it so there should be
> no
> > excuse as to why he was firing at the
> passengers.
> > The fact is that the officer acted negligently
> > without due concern for the safety of the
> > passengers and others in the immediate
> vincinty,
> > and choose to discharge his firearm.
>
> He chose to get in the vehicle while a crime was
> in progress, dickhead. The cop tried to disable
> the driver but obviously missed. Don't do stupid
> shit like these assholes and you won't have to
> worry about things like this. You and 4real should
> go fuck each other with your irrefutable logic.


That's no excuse whatsoever. Trying to disable a vehicle by blasting away at it, all for skipping out on a bill? That's manslaughter right there.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

I meant they should investigate cops on this board supporting this jerk and fire them too.

It may have happened a while ago, but the fact that the cop still hasn't been punished is still relevant.

jigga Wrote:
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> He chose to get in the vehicle while a crime was
> in progress, dickhead. The cop tried to disable
> the driver but obviously missed. Don't do stupid
> shit like these assholes and you won't have to
> worry about things like this. You and 4real should
> go fuck each other with your irrefutable logic.

He got in a vehicle to flee the scene of a misdemeanor crime. That in no way should mean he deserves to die. And. if the cop did not have a clear shot on the driver, then he should not have fired. Again, no excuse. I'm not saying these kids are the innocent victims here, I'm saying the cop acted negligently and killed a person. The point is, people make bad choices (both parties in this case). This crime out of all of them, is pretty much the most harmless crime on the book. And if you truly believe that this kid deserved to die because he skipped out on a bill and got into a car, then I'm sorry us mere humans don't always make the right descisions like your infallible ass.

LakeRoyal Wrote:
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> The officer in the IHOP shooting is now a local
> home improvement contractor. FCPD has a warrant
> out on him in relation to the "illegals for hire"
> scheme where the illegals were being killed at the
> end of the job in order that the contractor could
> avoid paying them. Several bodies were found in
> the dumpster of the IHOP on the night of the
> shooting.

Damn you. ^^^ made me LOL which means I spend too much time reading this stupid board.

All the people bitching about the Cop taking the shot are the same bitches that pull this kinda shit themselves and say it's "unfair" because they don't want to get shot themselves.

If you don't want to get shot, it's simple. Don't steal, and don't attempt to assault a Police Officer who tries to apprehend you if you do. You can say, "The kid who got shot wasn't driving", all you want to. It doesn't matter. If I'm in a car with guys that try to run down a Cop and I get shot in the chaos, them maybe I should have made better choices about my actions and the type of people I associated with.

This kid hung out with the sort of people that would steal and then run over a Police Officer. Cry me a river. It's one less punk, thief that I have to worry about. If you don't want to get fucked up then DON'T FUCK UP.

The off-duty officer who jumped in front of a moving vehicle and used the result of that action to claim self-defense and shoot the driver is who-knows-where, but not in jail for the shooting.

Atom Wrote:
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> I meant they should investigate cops on this board
> supporting this jerk and fire them too.
>
> It may have happened a while ago, but the fact
> that the cop still hasn't been punished is still
> relevant.


Who should investigate what cops? Mom has your oatmeal ready, head to dinner

Watch out kids. FC police will shoot to kill over twenty bucks. Is this justice or an overzelous cop?

cop deserves to be shot

pgens Wrote:
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>
> The off-duty officer who jumped in front of a
> moving vehicle and used the result of that action
> to claim self-defense and shoot the driver is
> who-knows-where, but not in jail for the shooting.

Pgens, you seem a little bit slow so I'll try to explain it to you.

Yes, the Cop "jumped" in front of the vehicle. You see, he was trying to STOP them from LEAVING! That's generally what Cops do when someone has stolen something and is then attempting to FLEE the scene. Maybe you just don't understand what a Cop does. See, when a Police Officer witnesses someone stealing, it's then the Cop's JOB to try and STOP the thief. Additionally, it's the thief's responsibility to not try and run the Officer over if the thief DOESN'T WANT HIS DUMB ASS SHOT!

What a retard you are.

Fuck you nigger.

Atom Wrote:
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> I meant they should investigate cops on this board
> supporting this jerk and fire them too.
>
> It may have happened a while ago, but the fact
> that the cop still hasn't been punished is still
> relevant.


lol

Sometimes people make a dumb mistake that may cost them their life. It is unfair to blame the cop in this situation. Dude didn't plan on getting shot but it happened and he was in the wrong, don't blame the cop. That's unfair. It was not the fault of the cop or the kid, but he played on the wrong side at the wrong time with the wrong friends. Don't over think this one and don't blame the cops.

Knowing how many anarchist libs here are always excusing criminal behavior, I realize what a favor the cop did us by removing garbage from the gene pool.

Officer Carl Frederick Stowe, Jr. did absolutely nothing wrong. Except, he left the restaurant in pursuit, a direct violation of his contract with IHOP. And he put himself in harm's way, then retreated and shot into the SIDE of the car.

Because Stowe did nothing wrong, the city was able to settle with the estate of the dead Eagle Scout for only $1,100,000.00. As Alexandria is self-insured, the money came from the taxpayers.

But it gets better. Alexandria then sued the IHOP! They lost, of course, and appealed to the State Supreme Court, where they lost again. The legal fees paid by the city were well in excess of the $1,100,000 paid to the kid's estate.

The decision by the Virginia Supreme Court is almost humorous in how they slapped down Alexandria. Read it here:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/va-supreme-court/1522025.html

Try to run over a cop, you're likely to get shot.

Fuck. You morons are fucking dense.

You're a moonlighting Alexandria Police Officer working at an IHOP. Somebody comes in and tries to rob the place yeah...you smoke THAT person. Empty the clip on THAT person. Somebody skips out on a check and you can't restrain them prior to reaching their vehicle yeah...you take down the plates and call your detective buddy that's alwyas cracking your nuts for repeatedly failing the sergeant's exam and tell him you've got an easy collar for him to follow up on...


Hey, this is great! Excellent details, with that whole failed Sergeant's exam thing. This could be the beginning of a movie, like Copland...a small case gets big FAST

I ate at IHOP the other day. I paid my bill, gave the waitress a nice tip, and walked out to my car. There was no police bothering me, no one shot at me.
Right or wrong, justified or not, don't get involved with people with guns. It's easy enough.
You wouldn't try to steal a burrito from a MS-13 member would you? What do you think would happen?
From all indications, the idiot who got himself killed wasn't starving, did not need to steal a meal. A lot of places force the waitress to pay when somebody skips out on a meal. I don't imagine waitresses are rolling in the dough working at IHOP.
So, at everybody elses expense, this douche decides to rip off a meal that he doesn't even have to steal. He just did it to be a prick. And then, when he see's a cop trying to confront him, he aims his car at the cop.
This kid posed a danger, and was likely to hurt someone sooner or later.
Now he's dead, and fuck him anyway. People are trying to make a living , and this douche feels he has the right to take what he wants, even if he doesn't need it.
I'm glad he's dead. One less asshole to possibly get me hurt someday because of his sub human behavior.

It wasn't their faults!!!!!
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If anyone feels like this kid deserved to die for Dining and Dashing on a $26 dollar tab at IHOP than I feel sorry for you. The actions that led to his death are all on the over zealous cop, who violated his contract (broke the rules, kinda like running out on a $26 tab) and put himself in a situation that allowed him to shot and kill this kid (who was an Eagle Scout, if you know anything about that, it means he was a good kid who had done some great things).

If you think I am wrong then why did Alexandria pay the family $1.1 million in a settlement instead of going to Court. Why did the City get slapped down when they tried to sue the IHOP, because the Cop was WRONG!!! The Cop was wrong and this kid payed with his life.

Yes and 1.1 million bucks made eveverything right again, hope you enjoy the money

August West Wrote:
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> LakeRoyal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The officer in the IHOP shooting is now a local
> > home improvement contractor. FCPD has a warrant
> > out on him in relation to the "illegals for
> hire"
> > scheme where the illegals were being killed at
> the
> > end of the job in order that the contractor
> could
> > avoid paying them. Several bodies were found in
> > the dumpster of the IHOP on the night of the
> > shooting.
>
> Damn you. ^^^ made me LOL which means I spend too
> much time reading this stupid board.

We must remain ever vigilant, Mr. West...

4real Wrote:
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> If anyone feels like this kid deserved to die for
> Dining and Dashing on a $26 dollar tab at IHOP
> than I feel sorry for you. The actions that led
> to his death are all on the over zealous cop, who
> violated his contract (broke the rules, kinda like
> running out on a $26 tab) and put himself in a
> situation that allowed him to shot and kill this
> kid (who was an Eagle Scout, if you know anything
> about that, it means he was a good kid who had
> done some great things).
>
> If you think I am wrong then why did Alexandria
> pay the family $1.1 million in a settlement
> instead of going to Court. Why did the City get
> slapped down when they tried to sue the IHOP,
> because the Cop was WRONG!!! The Cop was wrong
> and this kid payed with his life.

Why didn't he get charged with any crimes then? If you want anyone to take you seriously, learn to stop typing like a retard. There's a website called google, use it and you'll see why they failed to sue IHOP. You mean do great things like hang out with losers and then drive recklessly towards a cop? that's setting the bar high.

"broke the rules, kinda like running out on a $26 tab" lol, why is it so hard for you to realize these scumbags put themselves in the position for one of them to get shot. Too bad one of those bullets didn't hit you.

j cochran Wrote:
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> Yes and 1.1 million bucks made eveverything right
> again, hope you enjoy the money

Considering the quality of the dead kid, they were overpaid.

Officer found to be NOT CRIMINALLY LIABLE!

BOOYA BITCHES!


"Alexandria Commonwealth's Attorney S. Randolph Sengel produced the 54-page report examining every aspect of the shooting, and he determined that Officer Stowe was not criminally liable. He said that Stowe began firing as the Jeep sped at him and that he could not have stopped firing in the split second that the Jeep narrowly missed him."

BEH Wrote:
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> I ate at IHOP the other day. I paid my bill, gave
> the waitress a nice tip, and walked out to my car.
> There was no police bothering me, no one shot at
> me.
> Right or wrong, justified or not, don't get
> involved with people with guns. It's easy enough.
>
> You wouldn't try to steal a burrito from a MS-13
> member would you? What do you think would happen?
>
> From all indications, the idiot who got himself
> killed wasn't starving, did not need to steal a
> meal. A lot of places force the waitress to pay
> when somebody skips out on a meal. I don't imagine
> waitresses are rolling in the dough working at
> IHOP.
> So, at everybody elses expense, this douche
> decides to rip off a meal that he doesn't even
> have to steal. He just did it to be a prick. And
> then, when he see's a cop trying to confront him,
> he aims his car at the cop.
> This kid posed a danger, and was likely to hurt
> someone sooner or later.
> Now he's dead, and fuck him anyway. People are
> trying to make a living , and this douche feels he
> has the right to take what he wants, even if he
> doesn't need it.
> I'm glad he's dead. One less asshole to possibly
> get me hurt someday because of his sub human
> behavior.

AMEN!

OMG HIGLANDER!!!!!!!!!

+1 +1 +1

now HERE is a priceless quote: "Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer Stowe had followed his police department's rules," the family announced in a statement through their attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief Baker has announced a new policy...we hope this prevents other needless deaths."

And I thought the parents of that kid who got drunk on 4Loko and laid down on Pleasant Valley...........I thought they were the most disconnected parents in the world..............but sheesh! This twip's parents now they REALLY take the cake.

Um, the cops arent responsible for yr kids dumb-ass actions, yo. Normal kids STOP THEIR FUCKING CAR when a Badge-Man or Lady steps out in front of it..........

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> now HERE is a priceless quote: "Aaron Brown would
> not have died if Officer Stowe had followed his
> police department's rules," the family announced
> in a statement through their attorney. "We are
> also pleased that Chief Baker has announced a new
> policy...we hope this prevents other needless
> deaths."
>
> And I thought the parents of that kid who got
> drunk on 4Loko and laid down on Pleasant
> Valley...........I thought they were the most
> disconnected parents in the world..............but
> sheesh! This twip's parents now they REALLY take
> the cake.
>
> Um, the cops arent responsible for yr kids
> dumb-ass actions, yo. Normal kids STOP THEIR
> FUCKING CAR when a Badge-Man or Lady steps out in
> front of it..........



I couldn't agree more.

What the heck did they think was going to happen when they tried to run over a cop?

I wasnt a big fan of that Arron Brown fellow anyways.. Still feel bad for his family though.

 

I've eaten at IHOP at least a dozen times. Always paid my bill, never been shot. Works for me. Bottom line - if you're going to be an asshole, don't blame the cops for the outcome.

That's the fucking problem with people always wanting push the blame on someone else.....I raised a good kid he was a eagle scout....fuck you!! Obey the law and would never have happened.

Hell yeah brother Wrote:
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> That's the fucking problem with people always
> wanting push the blame on someone else.....I
> raised a good kid he was a eagle scout....fuck
> you!! Obey the law and would never have happened.


Agreed. On top of all that, the kid WASN'T an Eagle Scout because he automatically lost that title when he decided to steal from some poor working-class stiff, busting hump to earn a meager paycheck at IHOP. The FIRST duty of an Eagle Scout is listed as this.

"EAGLE SCOUT #1: The first responsibility of an Eagle Scout is to live with honor, which to an Eagle is sacred. Honor is the foundation of character : it is what a person really is, down inside, not what someone may think he is. An Eagle will live so as to reflect credit upon his home, church, school, friends, upon Scouting, and upon himself. May your Eagle badge always remind you to live with honor."

Additionally, the Scouting law is "A scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent." Now tell me what part of this guy's behavior is reflected in ANY part of that creed.

The Boy Scout organization ALSO says "The Eagle rank is the highest and most coveted award in all of Scouting, and it is the last major step in the advancement program. If at this point, Scouting has not achieved its purpose of building character, then it probably never shall.".............. I think that stealing, running, and trying to drive over a Police Officer prove it. This kid was NOT an Eagle Scout.

Geez I wonder what you cowboys think about the Sunday school teacher that got blasted by a cop in Culpeper a couple of weeks ago.

yeehaw Wrote:
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> Geez I wonder what you cowboys think about the
> Sunday school teacher that got blasted by a cop in
> Culpeper a couple of weeks ago.

Depends on what the sunday school teacher did. Was he a thief that tried to run over a cop like the eagle scout?

yeehaw Wrote:
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> Geez I wonder what you cowboys think about the
> Sunday school teacher that got blasted by a cop in
> Culpeper a couple of weeks ago.


Oh wait, that's the woman that took off from a traffic stop after rolling up her window on the Cop's arm and then began dragging the Police Officer alongside her vehicle? Yeah, she deserved to get her ass shot too.

I've never dragged a Cop, run over a Cop, or TRIED to run over a Cop, and a Cop has never SHOT ME. Coincidence? Probably not.

@yeehaw - we "Cowboys" dont people making stupid choices putting others at risk of DEATH with the vehicles they control, can y'dig?

@Taylor - yeah, it's not really brain surgery, is it?

Does anybody know what this kid's last meal was? I'm wondering what was at IHOP that was so worth a bullet to him...............

keep in mind if the kid is willing to have run down the cop, he SURE AS FUCK would have been willing to run down any of the billion pedestrians that walk around that chunk of the world so who knows how many lives that cop saved by killing a fucking psychopath behind the wheel of a Jeep. Tell me I'm wrong, yo...............

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> keep in mind if the kid is willing to have run
> down the cop, he SURE AS FUCK would have been
> willing to run down any of the billion pedestrians
> that walk around that chunk of the world so who
> knows how many lives that cop saved by killing a
> fucking psychopath behind the wheel of a Jeep.
> Tell me I'm wrong, yo...............

You're wrong, yo...

well duh
but I'm also alive and able to buy me some French Toast LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> keep in mind if the kid is willing to have run
> down the cop, he SURE AS FUCK would have been
> willing to run down any of the billion pedestrians
> that walk around that chunk of the world so who
> knows how many lives that cop saved by killing a
> fucking psychopath behind the wheel of a Jeep.
> Tell me I'm wrong, yo...............

You are wrong.

You are so clueless about the whole incident, Brown wasn't even driving the vehicle. The cop was in so much "danger" from getting run over he shot into the SIDE of the PASSING vehicle.

justsayin Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

>
> You are so clueless about the whole incident,
> Brown wasn't even driving the vehicle. The cop
> was in so much "danger" from getting run over he
> shot into the SIDE of the PASSING vehicle.

AND, as part of the settlement, Alexandria paid the family over a million dollars and rewrote their rules so that cops cannot pursue dine-and-dash suspects or use deadly force to try to stop them.

Officer Carl Frederick Stowe, Jr, is no longer a member of the law enforcement community.

The driver and other passengers in the car continued on with their lives, with some using the settlement money to attend college.

justsayin Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > keep in mind if the kid is willing to have run
> > down the cop, he SURE AS FUCK would have been
> > willing to run down any of the billion
> pedestrians
> > that walk around that chunk of the world so who
> > knows how many lives that cop saved by killing
> a
> > fucking psychopath behind the wheel of a Jeep.
> > Tell me I'm wrong, yo...............
>
> You are wrong.
>
> You are so clueless about the whole incident,
> Brown wasn't even driving the vehicle. The cop
> was in so much "danger" from getting run over he
> shot into the SIDE of the PASSING vehicle.

Gordon isn't wrong, he's completely right. And there's a 54 page, detailed study of the shooting that proves the Cop did nothing wrong. You can bitch all you want to but you're still going to have to think about it carefully next time you decide to steal something.

I also think its funny that you accuse Gordon of being "clueless" about the incident, like you actually know anything. Bottom line..... kid stole, kid was part of a group that drove AT a Cop. Kid got shot. That's all you really need to know.

Deeee Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------

>
> The driver and other passengers in the car
> continued on with their lives, with some using the
> settlement money to attend college.



You forgot to add, "And Aaron Brown NEVER stole anything again.", which is the best part of the outcome.

The FBI investigated the shooting and cleared the officer.

I believe the officer was suspended for two weeks. That's all that happened to him.

 

Taylor Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> > who knows how many lives that cop saved by killing
> > a fucking psychopath behind the wheel of a Jeep.
>
> Gordon isn't wrong, he's completely right. And
> there's a 54 page, detailed study of the shooting

I know. I read it. Please tell me the page number of the report where, as Gordon says (and you agree by calling him completely right), Aaron Brown was the driver.


> I also think its funny that you accuse Gordon of
> being "clueless" about the incident, like you
> actually know anything.

I know what was in the report because I read it. And now I know you are clueless too. Still waiting on page number please?

justsayin Wrote:
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> I know what was in the report because I read it.
> And now I know you are clueless too. Still
> waiting on page number please?
>



I haven't read the report, (and I doubt that you have either), but no matter. You are attempting to focus in on the element of who was driving the car, which is not the part of Gordon's statement I was agreeing with. I was agreeing with the sentiment that the Cop was not in the wrong by shooting at a moving vehicle that was attempting to run him down.

By your reasoning, if 5 people were in a car and three of them started shooting at a Cop, if the Cop returned fire and hit one of the people who wasn't shooting at him, then the Cop is in the wrong. I disagree.

Brown wasn't driving and the cop wasn't aiming for Brown. He was attempting to hit the driver of the vehicle and the bullet hit Brown instead. Maybe some of you should refocus that anger you feel for the Officer over to the "friend" of Aaron's who GOT HIM SHOT by trying to run over a Police Officer, instead of being so proud and happy that he got his college tuition paid by Alexandria for getting his friend killed. No one here has even MENTIONED him, but it was directly his actions that got Aaron killed. The fault is his far more than it is the Cop's.

Steven Smith was driving.

But, ultimately, the fact of the matter is that the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing by the FBI.

They were committing a crime and the driver of the Jeep, Steven Smith, got his friend killed by trying to run a cop over.

Case closed.

 

Not to be confused with the other Steven Smith murderer mentioned on this website.. Two different Steve Smiths

 

And as I've said before, I feel bad for his family; he was an only child 'n all.. It was a senseless death, but no one is to blame but the parties engaged in the theft and the driver of the vehicle.

 

If a car is full of people and the driver attempts to run down a police officer, the only person who deserves to be shot and killed is the driver.

The opinions being expressed here are pathetic. The kids were shot because they didnt pay for their food they were shot at FOR TRYING TO RUN THE COP OVER. Had the kids just not paid and given up when the cop was there yes you could say it was a stupid mistake and move on. When one of them tries to kill the cop to cover it up its so far beyond a stupid mistake its not even funny. He made that choice and his friends death is on him. Instead of focusing on the fact that someone got shot because of an action that cost 26 dollars how about the fact that one of them decided to try and run a cop over to get away from a 26 dollar crime.

While its sad that the kid who was shot wasnt the driver he was an active participant and you risk having a tragic outcome when you decide to commit crimes.

The person who asked why the cop even cared is an idiot. They were breaking the law and committing a crime thats why he cared.

Whether or not he was suspended doesnt matter. We live in Nova where they will throw an officer under the bus to look good in the eyes of the community and everyone thinks they deserve special treatment. If he was suspended its more of a result of where he works instead of what he did. Now that cop also have to live with the fact that he was forced to shoot at teenagers because of that driver. That driver successfully ruined several lives that day over free pancakes

pathetic Wrote:
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> The opinions being expressed here are pathetic.
> The kids were shot because they didnt pay for
> their food they were shot at FOR TRYING TO RUN THE
> COP OVER. Had the kids just not paid and given up
> when the cop was there yes you could say it was a
> stupid mistake and move on. When one of them
> tries to kill the cop to cover it up its so far
> beyond a stupid mistake its not even funny. He
> made that choice and his friends death is on him.
> Instead of focusing on the fact that someone got
> shot because of an action that cost 26 dollars how
> about the fact that one of them decided to try and
> run a cop over to get away from a 26 dollar crime.
>
>
> While its sad that the kid who was shot wasnt the
> driver he was an active participant and you risk
> having a tragic outcome when you decide to commit
> crimes.
>
> The person who asked why the cop even cared is an
> idiot. They were breaking the law and committing
> a crime thats why he cared.
>
> Whether or not he was suspended doesnt matter. We
> live in Nova where they will throw an officer
> under the bus to look good in the eyes of the
> community and everyone thinks they deserve special
> treatment. If he was suspended its more of a
> result of where he works instead of what he did.
> Now that cop also have to live with the fact that
> he was forced to shoot at teenagers because of
> that driver. That driver successfully ruined
> several lives that day over free pancakes


It seems so simple, doesn't it? Some people in this thread want to act like the Cop overheard the kids talking about running out, so he walked over to the table and shot the kid in the head. They IGNORE the fact that the $26 tab had nothing to do with it. It was the attempt to run over a Cop that got one of them shot.

Then I hear a lot of whining about, "The Cop should have gotten out of the way.", or, "Well, the Cop shouldn't have gotten in front of the car.". I hear all sorts of reasons why the Officer was at fault for being in front of the vehicle, and yet nothing about, "Well maybe the kids shouldn't have tried to steal something and then compounded the situation by trying to run down the Police Officer who was trying to stop them from getting away."

I'm always amazed by some people's deep and vast well-springs of sympathy and understanding for anyone who breaks the law and pays the price for it, coupled with a total hatred for anyone who tries to do the RIGHT THING by stopping a crime. It makes you wonder.

Did the cops break up the funeral procession for the kid?

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Taylor Wrote:
> It seems so simple, doesn't it? Some people in
> this thread want to act like the Cop overheard the
> kids talking about running out, so he walked over
> to the table and shot the kid in the head. They
> IGNORE the fact that the $26 tab had nothing to do
> with it. It was the attempt to run over a Cop that
> got one of them shot.
>
> Then I hear a lot of whining about, "The Cop
> should have gotten out of the way.", or, "Well,
> the Cop shouldn't have gotten in front of the
> car.". I hear all sorts of reasons why the Officer
> was at fault for being in front of the vehicle,
> and yet nothing about, "Well maybe the kids
> shouldn't have tried to steal something and then
> compounded the situation by trying to run down the
> Police Officer who was trying to stop them from
> getting away."
>
> I'm always amazed by some people's deep and vast
> well-springs of sympathy and understanding for
> anyone who breaks the law and pays the price for
> it, coupled with a total hatred for anyone who
> tries to do the RIGHT THING by stopping a crime.
> It makes you wonder.

My first guess is that a lot of people who are trying to blame the cop have been arrested themselves. As always theyre never guilty its always the cop making something up. The same people complaining that this happened would be the first ones to complain if the cop did nothing and they ran someone else over in the parking lot or caused an accident during their get away.

If the kid hadnt tried to run down a cop they would all still be alive today. If you dont want to get shot by cops dont engage in illegal activity and dont try and kill the police. You can probably attribute a lot of this sentiment to the erosion of morals going on in the country and the blame everyone else mentality instead of personal responsibility.

Its also a good point that people really do make it sound like he gunned them down in their booth while they were eating. He was there to do a job. He didnt show up saying I hope I get to shoot some teens tonight. The actions of those kids and especially the driver are what lead to the final outcome, not the cops

pathetic Wrote:
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> If the kid hadnt tried to run down a cop they
> would all still be alive today.

For the Nth time, the driver was not killed, a passenger was killed. The driver was already leaving the parking lot and the cop stepped in front of the vehicle.

pgens above didn't make up what he wrote... he was merely paraphrasing the police department in announcing the officer's suspension, the exact quote from the Alexandria Police (linked below in the WTOP link) was Stowe (the officer) "unreasonably placed himself in a position that allowed the situation to elevate to a level of high risk" when he stepped in front of the Jeep."

If anyone is really interested in the report, what happened, and consequences for the officer, you can read the below links. The misinformation in this thread is too thick to respond to or wade through. I have tried to correct some of it but the troll count is too high, and IQ average and literacy rate is too low. I can offer links to all the facts though.

Investigation: http://www3.alexandriava.gov/cattorney/stowe.pdf

Officer then suspended for violating policies involving stepping in front of moving vehicles:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010200975.html

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=&sid=1021053


> The actions of those kids and especially the driver are what
> lead to the final outcome, not the cops

You are incorrect, policy said the officer should have let the SUV go and called in the plate. The kids would have been arrested at home, no one dead and no shots fired. The actions of the kids indeed initiated the incident, but the officer's response was incorrect and he received the max penalty short of firing the Alexandria police could give him. Those are the facts, sorry if you don't like them but read up on them if you need to. Or don't if you like uninformed opinion-spouting.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2012 02:54PM by justsayin.

justsayin Wrote:
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> pathetic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the kid hadnt tried to run down a cop they
> > would all still be alive today.
>
> For the Nth time, the driver was not killed, a
> passenger was killed. The driver was already
> leaving the parking lot and the cop stepped in
> front of the vehicle.


Wow, "Pathetic" clearly states in his post, "While its sad that the kid who was shot wasnt the driver he was an active participant and you risk having a tragic outcome when you decide to commit crimes.", and then you go spouting off about, "For the Nth time! Blah, blah, blah."

The part that's the most embarrassing, (for you), is that you stoop to the predictable and pedantic name-calling about how other posters are "illiterate" and have "low IQ rates", (compared to yours, I'm sure). Then you go and prove that you have a complete inability to read and process a simple sentence like, "It's sad that the kid who was shot was NOT the driver." which is very clearly stated in his post. In fact, "Pathetic" even made that sentence its own paragraph separate from anything else just so as not to overly confuse the "low IQ, illiterate types" that might be reading it.

Despite all that, you managed to get it wrong and completely misunderstand what he was saying at the exact same time as you were challenging the intellect and literacy levels of the other posters.

You, my bright friend, just lost credibility as well as the right to call ANYONE ELSE'S intelligence into question.

Who got "Pw3nd!!1!" now, little bitch?



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2012 03:20PM by Taylor.

taylor is such a goober, go try to read and learn. the crap you post earns you a fruppie "that's stupid". troll and gay, nice 4 edits of backpedaling lol you got owned

themoreyouknow Wrote:
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> taylor is such a goober, go try to read and learn.
> the crap you post earns you a fruppie "that's
> stupid". troll and gay, nice 4 edits of
> backpedaling lol you got owned


I edited four times because I noticed spelling and punctuation errors that I wanted to correct. (I generally proofread my work.)

After reading the quality of your post, I'm sure that's a problem that you don't really struggle with. I do find it amusing that someone with such a tenuous grasp on the English language, (grammar, punctuation, capitalization, etc.), is advising me to "read and learn".......... I will if you will.

P.S. We exist in a society today where your calling me a homosexual as the ULTIMATE insult is really more a reflection on you than it is on me.

Too bad they don't shoot first and ask question later for right wing stupidity.

birdy Wrote:
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> Too bad they don't shoot first and ask question
> later for right wing stupidity.


Thank you for that trenchant contribution to the discussion. In return, let me say, "Blah, blah, left-wing, blah, Liberal, blah, blah, blah, Democrat, blah, blah, blah, blah."

@Taylor - you gotta love it when you can break them back down to the 2nd grade LoLz:

Posted by: themoreyouknow ()
Date: February 25, 2012 09:22PM

"taylor is such a goober"

anywho, I'm really not that concerned about who was driving the car............EVERYBODY who was in that car CHOOSE to get into it AFTER committing a crime at that diner. The INTENT of EVERYBODY in that Jeep was to escape the crime scene. I know this as none of them were forced into that vehicle AFTER CHOOSING to commit a crime at that IHOP (i.e. leave without paying). Cop comes out to stop them, and the driver CHOOSES to try and kill the officer. Officer RIGHTFULLY shoots into Jeep, to try and stop someone who just tried to kill him. Cop can AND SHOULD do this because ANYBODY WHO WILL TRY AND KILL A POLICE OFFICER WILL MOST CERTAINLY TRY AND KILL YOU GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY if they feel the "need" or "want" to.

You tell me that the driver of that jeep would have stopped for me, my kids in the car if I was blocking the intersection there trying to get to KFC........... or maybe the light just changed, you're trying to get to the Richmond ramp and all of a sudden this kid's front fender has just pushed yr wife's head into yr lap all cause they didnt want to pay for their God D*mned French Toast?

Seriously.......................what the fuck, yo?

that "anywho" part wasnt four you, Taylor LoLz

@justsayin - yeah, cop could have done that but that decision could have cost other lives as well (see my 395 Southbound example above)


Bottom line, though......justice is served all around even though it's still a sad story.

I don't think shooting him was justified. Couldn't he have gotten the plates number and car description, and just fined the kid as appropriate for the the laws he broke?

I'm surprised how many people here blindly support the police. Having a badge doesn't mean everything you do is right. I say give the fucker life in prison.

Mumma Wrote:
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> I don't think shooting him was justified. Couldn't
> he have gotten the plates number and car
> description, and just fined the kid as appropriate
> for the the laws he broke?


NO according to gordon blvd above any suspect within shooting range of a police officer MUST be shot because they might go onto a highway and someone else may be injured JUSTICE SERVED

justsayin Wrote:
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> pathetic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the kid hadnt tried to run down a cop they
> > would all still be alive today.
>
> For the Nth time, the driver was not killed, a
> passenger was killed. The driver was already
> leaving the parking lot and the cop stepped in
> front of the vehicle.
>
> pgens above didn't make up what he wrote... he was
> merely paraphrasing the police department in
> announcing the officer's suspension, the exact
> quote from the Alexandria Police (linked below in
> the WTOP link) was Stowe (the officer)
> "unreasonably placed himself in a position that
> allowed the situation to elevate to a level of
> high risk" when he stepped in front of the Jeep."
>
> If anyone is really interested in the report, what
> happened, and consequences for the officer, you
> can read the below links. The misinformation in
> this thread is too thick to respond to or wade
> through. I have tried to correct some of it but
> the troll count is too high, and IQ average and
> literacy rate is too low. I can offer links to
> all the facts though.
>
> Investigation:
> http://www3.alexandriava.gov/cattorney/stowe.pdf
>
> Officer then suspended for violating policies
> involving stepping in front of moving vehicles:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2007/01/02/AR2007010200975.html
>
> http://www.wtop.com/?nid=&sid=1021053
>
>
> > The actions of those kids and especially the
> driver are what
> > lead to the final outcome, not the cops
>
> You are incorrect, policy said the officer should
> have let the SUV go and called in the plate. The
> kids would have been arrested at home, no one dead
> and no shots fired. The actions of the kids
> indeed initiated the incident, but the officer's
> response was incorrect and he received the max
> penalty short of firing the Alexandria police
> could give him. Those are the facts, sorry if you
> don't like them but read up on them if you need
> to. Or don't if you like uninformed
> opinion-spouting.


THANK YOU FOR THE LINKS ABOVE!!! If anyone really wants to understand the entire situation, which is why I started the thread, it is all right there in these links. THE REAL STORY AND COMPLETE INVESTIGATION RESULTS

The investigation reveals the cop over stepped his authority when he left the IHOP to "stop" the kids. His contract with IHOP states he is not to pursue these kids. The most fucked up thing is the City of Alexandria tried to sue IHOP for the money they paid the Browns for the cops mistake. As a few people have posted .... All the cop needed to do was get the Jeeps license plate and call it in. He was the one who broke the rules of his contract when he pursued the kids and created the situation that resulted in Aaron Brown being shot 2 times and killed in the back seat of the Jeep. That is why the City of Alexandria paid the Browns $1.1 million in a settlement instead of going to court and having everything exposed. These are the facts and they are irrefutable.

$1.1 million buys a lot of pancakes.

Taylor Wrote:
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> pathetic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The opinions being expressed here are pathetic.
>
> > The kids were shot because they didnt pay for
> > their food they were shot at FOR TRYING TO RUN
> THE
> > COP OVER. Had the kids just not paid and given
> up
> > when the cop was there yes you could say it was
> a
> > stupid mistake and move on. When one of them
> > tries to kill the cop to cover it up its so far
> > beyond a stupid mistake its not even funny. He
> > made that choice and his friends death is on
> him.
> > Instead of focusing on the fact that someone
> got
> > shot because of an action that cost 26 dollars
> how
> > about the fact that one of them decided to try
> and
> > run a cop over to get away from a 26 dollar
> crime.
> >
> >
> > While its sad that the kid who was shot wasnt
> the
> > driver he was an active participant and you
> risk
> > having a tragic outcome when you decide to
> commit
> > crimes.
> >
> > The person who asked why the cop even cared is
> an
> > idiot. They were breaking the law and
> committing
> > a crime thats why he cared.
> >
> > Whether or not he was suspended doesnt matter.
> We
> > live in Nova where they will throw an officer
> > under the bus to look good in the eyes of the
> > community and everyone thinks they deserve
> special
> > treatment. If he was suspended its more of a
> > result of where he works instead of what he did.
>
> > Now that cop also have to live with the fact
> that
> > he was forced to shoot at teenagers because of
> > that driver. That driver successfully ruined
> > several lives that day over free pancakes
>
>
> It seems so simple, doesn't it? Some people in
> this thread want to act like the Cop overheard the
> kids talking about running out, so he walked over
> to the table and shot the kid in the head. They
> IGNORE the fact that the $26 tab had nothing to do
> with it. It was the attempt to run over a Cop that
> got one of them shot.
>
> Then I hear a lot of whining about, "The Cop
> should have gotten out of the way.", or, "Well,
> the Cop shouldn't have gotten in front of the
> car.". I hear all sorts of reasons why the Officer
> was at fault for being in front of the vehicle,
> and yet nothing about, "Well maybe the kids
> shouldn't have tried to steal something and then
> compounded the situation by trying to run down the
> Police Officer who was trying to stop them from
> getting away."
>
> I'm always amazed by some people's deep and vast
> well-springs of sympathy and understanding for
> anyone who breaks the law and pays the price for
> it, coupled with a total hatred for anyone who
> tries to do the RIGHT THING by stopping a crime.
> It makes you wonder.

IT WAS A FUCKING DINE AND DASH 26 FUCKING DOLLARS!!!! You tell me how this justifies taking a young person's life?! Cop claims the kids were trying to run him over? Why didn't he just shoot a round into the engine block or try to shoot one of tires out? Maybe if he laid off the doughnuts and attempted to work out at least once a week he wouldn't have made himself such an easy target. It really says something about Fairfax County when you have people getting shot by cops and most of time they don't even have weapons on them. I sincerely hope the cop lives with the fact that he killed a kid for the rest of his life and that every night when he goes to sleep he has night terrors about the kid's life he took away in cold blooded murder

Actually, the REAL story is that several of the kids who were in the car at the time of the shooting stated that the driver intentionally swerved at the Officer. One female passenger stated to the Police that she actually shouted out, "Oh my God, you are going to KILL this Cop. STOP!" Then after a few days to "confer" amongst themselves, they ALL changed their stories. Among the more ludicrous claims they now stated that the Officer was between 100-150 feet away when he began shooting at them. Ballistics evidence shows that, depending on the shot, they were all fired within 9-30 feet of the vehicle. There were scorch marks on the asphalt and matching burns on the tires showing that the driver had accelerated at a rapid rate of speed and "squealed" the tires while headed toward the Officer. Numerous Eye-Witnesses at the scene corroborated the Police Officer's version of events, including a group that had JUST BEEN STOPPED by the same Officer for trying to skip out on their bill. None of them were shot, (it might have had something to do with not trying to kill the Officer).

Witnesses inside the restaurant overheard the group plotting to run out on their bill. Lastly, the kid who was shot, (Aaron Brown), was found to have had a Blood Alcohol Level of .13 as well as marijuana in his system at the time of the incident, (nice "Eagle Scout" behavior, btw). So if HE was pushing a .13 B.A.C., I wonder what the driver of the car had for a B.A.C.? Marijuana and rolling papers were found in the car, along with numerous empty and half-empty alcohol containers.

After reading the report, I'm EVEN MORE SURE that the Officer was the "good guy" in this situation. These kids ADMITTED that they thought the driver was trying to hit the Officer. Then later, they concoct an outlandish story to try to make the Officer look bad.

They were drunk. They were high. They stole and ran. They tried to run over a Police Officer who was trying to apprehend them. One of them got shot...... ABSOLUTELY NO SYMPATHY. Punk asses were asking for it. Now you wanna cry because they got it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2012 10:25AM by Taylor.