I've lived in Fairfax County for over 50 years and I cannot believe all the tip towing around the Immigration Issues that grow every year. I found these (4) posts alone on subjects involving the Immigration discussion and issues. Some are direct and others are the direct or indirect result of some bad decision made by the Immigration office. One of which is right here in Fairfax. I've been reading in the news over the past year alone of incidents where there are illegals and even legals (w/green cards) that are breaking laws. Why are they still here? How in the world do some of these ex-cons get green cards here in the US? It's the Immigration office and the lack of leadership of our elected officials.

I did a search here on Fairfax Underground and came up with these threads and hundreds of pages on the subject of Immigration. Crimes being committed by persons who were either deported or living here illegally while waiting for the Immigration process to go through. Seems inefficent at best, dangerous at worst.


The Reason For All The Minorities Here..
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/783723/784202.html#msg-784202

Work Center in centreville
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/801898/802328.html#msg-802328

Uninsured Motorist Fee
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/791398/791536.html#msg-791536

Driver charged with DUI manslaughter in boy's death
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/799633/802548.html#msg-802548

What is wrong with the federal government???
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/775980/775980.html#msg-775980

Human Trafficking Task Force Round up Nets Licensure Violations
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/768724/768724.html#msg-768724

New Schools for Pedro and Maria
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/773565/773584.html#msg-773584

Alabama Imigration Law....Gigantic Failure
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/759568/759568.html#msg-759568

Fast Eddie's Crackdown
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/748744/750605.html#msg-750605

Deport Him AGAIN
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/750302/750302.html#msg-750302

Occupy Fairfax 10/29
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/711776/712135.html#msg-712135

Illegal Immigration Debate
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/740040/740046.html#msg-740046

PW county free of illegal immigrants, when will Fairfax County follow?
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/739907/739934.html#msg-739934

Could you get deported for this?
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/728009/733114.html#msg-733114

Can anyone suggest a good attorney for F1 student with 2 misdemeanor charges
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/17/718922/724478.html#msg-724478

Look you stupid fuckin hick

Just as many crimes are being committed by legal citizens in this area (OH AND BY THE WAY, WE KNOW YOU REALLY MEAN NON-WHITE PEOPLE cause Im sure if a canadian illegally came here you'd also be up in arms). The last headlines Ive been seeing around this area have all been about dumbass white redneck bitches from manassas coming to steal my hard earned fairfax money cause little Tyler and Harrison need money for their NC-17 movies and that huntin rifle derrrrr uhhhhh.

My point being you don't know shit, Northern Virginia has a very high immigrant population (legal or illegal) because of its transient and international nature and has had this ratio since the 80s (they werent hispanic then, they were asian and african). And I remember in the 80s everyone was saying OH MY GOD SO MANY IMMIGRANTS THEY ARE GONNA START CREATING GANGS. Well guess what now all those children are the ones who are beating out your lazy ass children for jobs in engineering and science. Now its hispanics, and you wanna say, its not cause they arent white, its cause they are illegal, well when they were helping to building your shitty 4 bedroom (assumption) in pleasantville you didnt seem to mind, but now they are CRIMINALS! KILL THEM!

This land was founded by and continues to be added to by immigrants. In the late 1800s it was irish, in the 1910s it was italians, in the 30s it was central europeans, in the 70s it was middle easterners, in the 80s asians, and now its hispanics. With each of these previous iterations there were assholes who made the entire immigration community look bad, but 20 years later we now see that these ethnicities actually have higher education levels and better jobs than other more established ethnicities.

My point being, don't scapegoat stuff on immigrants man, I came here (legally btw) from Iran and when we first got here people like you thought we were illegals, refugees, terrorists, yada yada when all we were looking for was a free place away from assholes like you who want to scapegoat the populations problems on "THE OTHER GUYS!!!" And am I pissed off that other countries cant have legal immigrants come here because the illegal immigration problem, I dont fault the people who all they want to do is get away from the drug cartels that kill their families in order to feed a drug habit in white suburbia and 99.9% of these people want to have nothing to do with that kind of life.

Maybe think before you talk instead of being afraid what the future may bring and understand that history always repeats itself.

Anyways... I guesss..... fuck off

All I heard was Derka Derka!

Way to go to GMU white bread brandon, I went to a real college and am probably your boss... I take it back My Plumber technicians really dont even have bosses, Im just your superior in every way.

Your boss is the shift manager at 7-11 don't act proud.

Hey dickweed, Im an engineer who makes 6 figures what the fuck do you do with your prestigious GMU degree? If you knew anything you'd know iranians run carpet stores stereotypically, indians run 7-11s. Stupid fuck you can't even be racist correctly no wonder you went to GMU

Copied from the "People of Fairfax, unite!" thread:

"If you want the right to work in my country then do it the old fashioned way: be born here. My ancestors didn’t plow the fields for some taco munching chinchilla fuckers to come and take bottom dollar for jobs they painstakingly shipped Negros from the Dark Continent to do. Those light brown jerk faces put our slaves out of business. They slip into our country and open Latino markets all over the place, threatening honest corporations/people like Safeway, Target, and Wal-Mart. They constantly harass white honest, hardworking contractors by sitting outside of 7-11’s and climbing into the back of their trucks, eventually demanding money and a ride home after banging on plywood and playing with concrete for twelve hours. Next thing you know they will want basic human rights so us Real Americans don’t shoot them in their taints for making our apartment complexes smell like Coyote Grille & Cantina."

Good one! Wrote:
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> Hey dickweed, Im an engineer who makes 6 figures
> what the fuck do you do with your prestigious GMU
> degree? If you knew anything you'd know iranians
> run carpet stores stereotypically, indians run
> 7-11s. Stupid fuck you can't even be racist
> correctly no wonder you went to GMU


Wow, six figures in this area! What a fucking accomplishment! People who DON'T make six figues are the outliers. The fact that you didn't indicate where in the six figure range indicates you just barely cracked it, which is, well, meager in this area.

But, yeah, other than that, GMU is pretty weak, but I really doubt you went to somewhere all that much better.

Funny that someone from Iran, a country of donkeys, has such an attitude.
At least the Latins are aware of their inferiority.
But you Persians!
Incredible ego's for those from backwards countries.

To clarify, I meant all Illegal and Green Carders (white and otherwise). I wasn't just picking on one ethic group.

Not A sermon just a fuck you Wrote:
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> Look you stupid fuckin hick
>
> Just as many crimes are being committed by legal
> citizens in this area (OH AND BY THE WAY, WE KNOW
> YOU REALLY MEAN NON-WHITE PEOPLE cause Im sure if
> a canadian illegally came here you'd also be up in
> arms). The last headlines Ive been seeing around
> this area have all been about dumbass white
> redneck bitches from manassas coming to steal my
> hard earned fairfax money cause little Tyler and
> Harrison need money for their NC-17 movies and
> that huntin rifle derrrrr uhhhhh.
>
> My point being you don't know shit, Northern
> Virginia has a very high immigrant population
> (legal or illegal) because of its transient and
> international nature and has had this ratio since
> the 80s (they werent hispanic then, they were
> asian and african). And I remember in the 80s
> everyone was saying OH MY GOD SO MANY IMMIGRANTS
> THEY ARE GONNA START CREATING GANGS. Well guess
> what now all those children are the ones who are
> beating out your lazy ass children for jobs in
> engineering and science. Now its hispanics, and
> you wanna say, its not cause they arent white, its
> cause they are illegal, well when they were
> helping to building your shitty 4 bedroom
> (assumption) in pleasantville you didnt seem to
> mind, but now they are CRIMINALS! KILL THEM!
>
> This land was founded by and continues to be added
> to by immigrants. In the late 1800s it was irish,
> in the 1910s it was italians, in the 30s it was
> central europeans, in the 70s it was middle
> easterners, in the 80s asians, and now its
> hispanics. With each of these previous iterations
> there were assholes who made the entire
> immigration community look bad, but 20 years later
> we now see that these ethnicities actually have
> higher education levels and better jobs than other
> more established ethnicities.
>
> My point being, don't scapegoat stuff on
> immigrants man, I came here (legally btw) from
> Iran and when we first got here people like you
> thought we were illegals, refugees, terrorists,
> yada yada when all we were looking for was a free
> place away from assholes like you who want to
> scapegoat the populations problems on "THE OTHER
> GUYS!!!" And am I pissed off that other countries
> cant have legal immigrants come here because the
> illegal immigration problem, I dont fault the
> people who all they want to do is get away from
> the drug cartels that kill their families in order
> to feed a drug habit in white suburbia and 99.9%
> of these people want to have nothing to do with
> that kind of life.
>
> Maybe think before you talk instead of being
> afraid what the future may bring and understand
> that history always repeats itself.
>
> Anyways... I guesss..... fuck off


I love how you attack the OP for what you assume to be racism toward minority illegal aliens, yet, have no issues assuming all drug users are white, etc. Typical liberal nonsense. The fact is that illegal aliens, from where ever they are from have killed many once nice areas of not just Fairfax County, but other Counties. Hell, I suppose there are billions who would rather live here than in their Native Country, but that does not give them the right to come here illegally.

Whine whine whine, bitch some more. This area has always had huge immigrant populations, at least for the past 30 years or so. Deal or no deal. Simple stuff.

The UnHappy Camper Wrote:
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> To clarify, I meant all Illegal and Green Carders
> (white and otherwise). I wasn't just picking on
> one ethic group.


Of course not. The commies on this board just automatically cry racism to everything. Do you really care what anyone on this board has to say about anything? If you do, you're in need of help.

You don't make six figures selling cheaply made Chinese cell phone shells at your mall kiosk Mohammed.

All the racial slurs and joking aside....

To answer the OPs question, my theory is because this area has a high cost of living coupled with the fact that there's a lack of people to do the grunt work (cleaning, menial construction jobs, manual labor, etc...). So what happens is legals and illegals who are willing to work for $10-15/hr find their way here.

I can see why they may not observe our laws as much....worse case scenario they get sent home with a load of money. If they get caught.

But know that most illegals are just hard working people who have a family to feed and view the green card thing as a piece of red tape to walk under.

Reality Wrote:
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> All the racial slurs and joking aside....
>
> To answer the OPs question, my theory is because
> this area has a high cost of living coupled with
> the fact that there's a lack of people to do the
> grunt work (cleaning, menial construction jobs,
> manual labor, etc...). So what happens is legals
> and illegals who are willing to work for $10-15/hr
> find their way here.
>
> I can see why they may not observe our laws as
> much....worse case scenario they get sent home
> with a load of money. If they get caught.
>
> But know that most illegals are just hard working
> people who have a family to feed and view the
> green card thing as a piece of red tape to walk
> under.

My concern is the criminal element. The Illegals/Green Card carriers who are not the hardworkers, but in fact predators and crooks that Immigration services has allowed into our midst. I have no problem with hard workers getting their citizenship, benefits, etc. That's great, that's the American dream. But what about these crooks running around? Remember that guy they busted jumping women on the bike path in Loudoun County? How about the butt stabber?

and your point is???

The aforementioned folks came here legally. No argument here if they come legally and then commit crimes. We are all sinners!!!

Just come here legally.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
GET IT?

You know this is a big lie. I came here legally 16 years ago; my husband did the same 10 years ago. He has his own business and I am an accountant, we live in a nice neighborhood. When we moved into our new house we had to "prove" ourselves to our neighbors because we were foreigners, didn't matter that we had been in this country for years, speak the language, have decent jobs and don't bother others. People don't care if you came here legally or not, they love to assume they know they think we are or what we will do.
no argument Wrote:
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> and your point is???
>
> The aforementioned folks came here legally. No
> argument here if they come legally and then commit
> crimes. We are all sinners!!!
>
> Just come here legally.
> THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
> GET IT?

Alejandra Wrote:
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> You know this is a big lie. I came here legally 16
> years ago; my husband did the same 10 years ago.
> He has his own business and I am an accountant, we
> live in a nice neighborhood. When we moved into
> our new house we had to "prove" ourselves to our
> neighbors because we were foreigners, didn't
> matter that we had been in this country for years,
> speak the language, have decent jobs and don't
> bother others. People don't care if you came here
> legally or not, they love to assume they know they
> think we are or what we will do.
> no argument Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > and your point is???
> >
> > The aforementioned folks came here legally. No
> > argument here if they come legally and then
> commit
> > crimes. We are all sinners!!!
> >
> > Just come here legally.
> > THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
> > GET IT?

people must not like you and your husband. what more can be said? it's not an immigration issue, maybe your an asshole?

@motorhead: no.......it's more like a klan issue............cause Alejandra's right if you pay attention - I know I'll all sick of the whole think Hispanic = illegal mindset myself. Yeah, most of the illegals are Hispanic - that dont mean it's the same vice versa, is all Alejandra was saying............

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motorhead Wrote:
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> Alejandra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You know this is a big lie. I came here legally
> 16
> > years ago; my husband did the same 10 years
> ago.
> > He has his own business and I am an accountant,
> we
> > live in a nice neighborhood. When we moved into
> > our new house we had to "prove" ourselves to
> our
> > neighbors because we were foreigners, didn't
> > matter that we had been in this country for
> years,
> > speak the language, have decent jobs and don't
> > bother others. People don't care if you came
> here
> > legally or not, they love to assume they know
> they
> > think we are or what we will do.
> > no argument Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > and your point is???
> > >
> > > The aforementioned folks came here legally.
> No
> > > argument here if they come legally and then
> > commit
> > > crimes. We are all sinners!!!
> > >
> > > Just come here legally.
> > > THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
> > > GET IT?
>
> people must not like you and your husband. what
> more can be said? it's not an immigration issue,
> maybe your an asshole?

I shouldn't even bother replying to your stupid comment but I have a couple of minutes I can waste. They do like us now that they got to know us, but at first they had their guard up 'cause we were foreigners, get it now?

Alejandra Wrote:
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> motorhead Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alejandra Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You know this is a big lie. I came here
> legally
> > 16
> > > years ago; my husband did the same 10 years
> > ago.
> > > He has his own business and I am an
> accountant,
> > we
> > > live in a nice neighborhood. When we moved
> into
> > > our new house we had to "prove" ourselves to
> > our
> > > neighbors because we were foreigners, didn't
> > > matter that we had been in this country for
> > years,
> > > speak the language, have decent jobs and
> don't
> > > bother others. People don't care if you came
> > here
> > > legally or not, they love to assume they know
> > they
> > > think we are or what we will do.
> > > no argument Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > and your point is???
> > > >
> > > > The aforementioned folks came here legally.
> > No
> > > > argument here if they come legally and then
> > > commit
> > > > crimes. We are all sinners!!!
> > > >
> > > > Just come here legally.
> > > > THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
> > > > GET IT?
> >
> > people must not like you and your husband. what
> > more can be said? it's not an immigration
> issue,
> > maybe your an asshole?
>
> I shouldn't even bother replying to your stupid
> comment but I have a couple of minutes I can
> waste. They do like us now that they got to know
> us, but at first they had their guard up 'cause we
> were foreigners, get it now?


AGAIN, this doesn't apply to you because you came here legally. Stop protecting those breaking the law, no matter what crime it is and no matter where they came from. GET IT NOW???

The OP is right on. I've lived here for decades as well. Driving through areas like Annandale now make it seem as if we've been conquered by an alien army. It really looks like a different country, let alone a different county.

When I graduated from HS in the 1970s, there was not a single "hispanic" in my class, or anywhere else I could see. Only a few Asians, and no other ethnic groups beyond the predominant white and about 10% black. The transformation in our schools now is of cosmic proportions. Again, it resembles a different country.

The reason why we see so many immigrants-legal and illegal-here, is because the wealthy (and solidly middle class) citizens of Fairfax County increasingly are too lazy to mow their own lawns, do their own landscaping or painting, etc. Our elected officials are all corrupt and horrendous. They have done the wrong thing over and over again for fifty years. They aren't going to ever solve this problem, and now it probably can never be solved.

It's all going to collapse, anyway. Can't keep up this artificial prosperity for a few, while an increasingly huge majority can't keep up with the cost of living. If we weren't going to have to actually live it, it would be entertaining.

Arlingtonkid Wrote:
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>
> I love how you attack the OP for what you assume
> to be racism toward minority illegal aliens, yet,
> have no issues assuming all drug users are white,
> etc. Typical liberal nonsense. The fact is that
> illegal aliens, from where ever they are from have
> killed many once nice areas of not just Fairfax
> County, but other Counties. Hell, I suppose
> there are billions who would rather live here than
> in their Native Country, but that does not give
> them the right to come here illegally.



Why did you capitalize "Counties" and "Native Country?" lol

@English - pretty funny, eh?
@unreals - funny how skin colour and the language of ppl who you have NO INTENTION OF COMMUNICATING OR DOING BUSINESS WITH matter to you........... Got Klan? IT IS PATHETIC YOU DEMEAN OTHERS JUST FOR THEIR LANGUAGE OR HERITAGE WHEN THEY ARE RUNNING BUSINESSES AND RASING FAMILIES!!

to compare the ppl who came here legally, open businesses, raise families all legal - to compare them to illegals.............

TO TELL PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO AMERICA AND ARE LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM - TO TELL THEM THAT THEY ARE SCUMMY JUST LIKE ILLEGALS JUST CAUSE YOUR RACIST ASS CANT SEE PAST THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE SHARED LANGUAGE THEY MAY HAVE!?!?!!?!?!?

FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK THAT WAY!!!!

you know why? Cause there are WAAAYYYY more immigrints legal and illegal in this County than there were 20 years ago................

and you know something else? had 25 murders in this county 1990. Hasnt been that high since. Crime is less now than it was in 1990, that's for sure.

for example:
Despite all of the growth, a Fairfax County resident is less likely to be the victim of either a violent crime or a property crime today than during the three previous decades. As of 2004, the violent crime rate was 44 percent lower than it was in 1980 and the property crime rate was 61 percent lower.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/news/2006/069.htm

cause, you see, the violent immigrants are just RUINING this county, you see...............

what a fucking crock.

Contact Congressman Connally for your answers, he wants us to celebrate diversity and needs cheap yard work done. He can fill you in as to why nothing was done during his watch.

I think diversity is the reason so many people these days wear flip flops and sandals. Hooray!

I think diversity is the reason there are so many nail salons. Hooray!

I think diversity is the reason for a large number of poor driver's on the roads. Hooray!

I'll be speaking to the the 1% of the 1% in Chantilly. Hooray!

and I think i saw the exact same shit when I was out west and everybody was white

actually more flip flops, if you can beleive that. You know how in DC you'll see women at lunchtime wearing powersuits and sneakers? Well imagine that with flipflops instead. That's the west for ya LoLz

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> you know why? Cause there are WAAAYYYY more
> immigrints legal and illegal in this County than
> there were 20 years ago................
>
> and you know something else? had 25 murders in
> this county 1990. Hasnt been that high since.
> Crime is less now than it was in 1990, that's for
> sure.
>
> for example:
> Despite all of the growth, a Fairfax County
> resident is less likely to be the victim of either
> a violent crime or a property crime today than
> during the three previous decades. As of 2004,
> the violent crime rate was 44 percent lower than
> it was in 1980 and the property crime rate was 61
> percent lower.
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/news/2006/069.htm
>
> cause, you see, the violent immigrants are just
> RUINING this county, you see...............
>
> what a fucking crock.

BS stats. Given the relatively small numbers of murder/non-negligent manslaughter and violent crime overall you can cherry pick any given years to come up with whatever results you want since any given years for comparison can vary greatly. It's more than 10 times the number that it was in 2000/2001. See how that works? ; )

Also, the way that data is reported has changed over the years which distorts the numbers. For example, Fairfax now reports multiple homicides at one incident as a single murder. Also, if you really wanted to test your hypothesis, then you'd need to look at arrest records by race/country of origin, which I'm not sure are available (at least publicly in an easily accessed way).

The biggest factor in overall declines in violent crime is the aging population and relatively lower numbers of younger males.

Fairfax now reports multiple homicides at one incident as a single murder. ........um, whut? Got any proof on that one?

Anywho, the basic facts remain - we got more immigrants than back then, and we have less crime then back then

IF the aging pop and lower number of males is, as you say, the biggest factor in overall declines in violent crime around here.............well all that suggests is that young native-born males are the cornerstone of crime in this area. That's based off of your viewpoint, not mine cause there DEFINITELY were not as many immigrants here as there are now................

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Fairfax now reports multiple homicides at one
> incident as a single murder. ........um, whut?
> Got any proof on that one?
>
> Anywho, the basic facts remain - we got more
> immigrants than back then, and we have less crime
> then back then
>
> IF the aging pop and lower number of males is, as
> you say, the biggest factor in overall declines in
> violent crime around here.............well all
> that suggests is that young native-born males are
> the cornerstone of crime in this area. That's
> based off of your viewpoint, not mine cause there
> DEFINITELY were not as many immigrants here as
> there are now................


One reference to the practice:

"Fairfax continues its unusual practice of counting multiple homicides as one slaying. For example, when three people are killed in one incident, often called a triple homicide, Fairfax police record it as a single homicide."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/21/AR2007032100749.html

We don't really have less crime. You need to distinguish between murder/non-negligent manslaughter, violent crime generally and within various types (e.g., rape, robbery, etc.), and non-violent crimes (e.g., theft, burglary, etc.). Again, you can pick and choose and make the stats come out pretty much however you want so I'm not interested in getting into a stats war other than to note that many types of crime have in fact increased with population growth by any number of measures. Again, some violent crimes like murder are so infrequent and vary so much year-to-year that you really can't look at two particular years and draw any valid trend.

The point re the young male population applies generally across the population and not to this area specifically. Where you have more younger males, you tend to have more violent crime independent of race and other demographics. Where you have greater concentrations of young males of various race and other demographic characteristics, you tend to have even higher relative rates even within that group.

As I said, as far as I know there aren't any racial/origin breakdowns for this area that I could find. That said, all you have to do is to look at the arrest records for this area to see that they appear to contradict your claim that immigrants are not responsible for a very large percentage of crime in this area.

well, all I know is that ppl say that things were better a long time ago before the immigrants came..............but then I see things like this (room yr own article you posted): According to statistics released last week, Fairfax residents reported 17,108 serious crimes -- homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny and auto theft. That was a 6.9 percent drop from 2005, and the lowest total in Fairfax police statistics dating from 1970. The closest was 17,835 in 1972, when the county's population was about 500,000. More than 1 million people live in Fairfax now.
The reported crime rate in Fairfax in the mid-1970s was about 4,500 serious crimes for each 100,000 residents. In 2006 it was about 1,700, a drop of more than 60 percent in 30 years.

also you get this:
The county's low burglary rate has long been a point of pride for Fairfax. Where in 1980 there were nearly 6,400 burglaries in one year, the total in 2005 had plummeted to 1,344. It rose a bit to 1,580 last year.


So dont sell me this crap that the county is going to shit cause of all the immigrants here..........cause it's simply not true. The numbers dont lie.

edit: but yr right about the whole murder rate thingee....................but again, as you and the article pointed out: "the difference has a negligible impact on Fairfax's overall crime totals and crime rate."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/2012 02:59PM by Gordon Blvd.

There were not cameras everywhere in the 70's and 80's. They do seem to reduce crime. There has also been a lot of money put into first responders since 9/11. More policing matters in reducing crime.

I am extremely irritated with the large number of immigrants in Fairfax. The hospital emergency rooms are filled with immigrants who don't carry insurance and use the hospital as their method for medical treatment. This is at the expense of the rest of us who carry insurance. I believe that anchor babies should not ever be given as a reason to stay in this country. When a baby is born of illegals then that baby should also be an illegal and the entire family should be fined and deported. I'm tired of going into Walmart and hearing every language EXCEPT English being spoken. Did my ancestors come from another country into America --- YES -- BUT THEY DID SO LEGALLY -- following the laws of this land and then they actually LEARNED TO SPEAK ENGLISH and became American citizens -- they were law abiding and did not pee on the streets, or drive without a license or expect to be taken care of by the taxpayers.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> well, all I know is that ppl say that things were
> better a long time ago before the immigrants
> came..............but then I see things like this
> (room yr own article you posted): According to
> statistics released last week, Fairfax residents
> reported 17,108 serious crimes -- homicide, rape,
> robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny and
> auto theft. That was a 6.9 percent drop from 2005,
> and the lowest total in Fairfax police statistics
> dating from 1970. The closest was 17,835 in 1972,
> when the county's population was about 500,000.
> More than 1 million people live in Fairfax now.
> The reported crime rate in Fairfax in the
> mid-1970s was about 4,500 serious crimes for each
> 100,000 residents. In 2006 it was about 1,700, a
> drop of more than 60 percent in 30 years....

Unfortunately, you can't compare across years like that. The Post knows that and it's part of the reason why they maintain their own data so I don't know why they then go on to do the same invalid year-to-year comparisons.

The numbers aren't directly comparable. What's reported and data collection and reporting methods have changed too many times over the years. As noted, prior to I think it was in 2010 when they went with the Federal standard reporting method, they aggregated various multiple crimes into a single incident. In addition to the multiple homicide cases mentioned, that also applied to other incidents involving multiple crimes (e.g., a robbery involving grand larceny and an assault would be reported as one or the other). Doesn't change the stats for homicide that much since there are relatively few multiple homicide incidents but it can be more significant for other types of crime.

They also changed reporting in 2004, and I believe in the mid 90s, and likely at other times as well prior to that. You can find numbers for various years but what exactly the numbers represent is another matter. There's a lot of game playing with crime stats for obvious reasons. The FBI's UCR reports have specific cautions against doing exactly that (but then they also go on to do the same type of comparisons. ;)

Again, a big problem with crime stats is that reported crime represents fairly small numbers in the scheme of things so small changes can have a big effect on a relative basis. As a simple example that applied here was a big surge in theft as a result of vehicle break-ins when GPS units were becoming popular some years back. That fell away and now the numbers look significantly better but that doesn't reflect policing, demographics, reporting, or anything other than that numbers changed on a relatively basis as a result.

Gordon Blvd- take a chill pill. Large fonts and caps don't make hysterical arguments any more convincing.

The problem is not the immigrant- it's the corrupt and incompetent white leadership who brought in way too many people because of greed and laziness. The immigrant pays the price, though, in terms of impatience and hostility from citizens who become frustrated over the language barrier, not to mention customs they aren't used to.

We don't have enough jobs or resources for the people who are here- it's sheer lunacy to keep demanding more immigration. Legal or illegal, the result is the same- watered down wages and a diminished job market. If we'd been invaded by Canadians, these problems would be identical, although the language issue wouldn't exist, and it is unlikely that those emigrating from a wealthy nation would work for the kinds of wages Third World immigrants do.

Those who inject "racism" taunts into the discussion are utilizing the only defense they have in this insane, PC society of ours. The issue is numbers of people, and the impact immigration has had on unskilled labor. It's a simple fact that one used to be able to live a good life in this area working any job.

Uh...
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unreals Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd- take a chill pill. Large fonts and
> caps don't make hysterical arguments any more
> convincing.
>
> The problem is not the immigrant- it's the corrupt
> and incompetent white leadership who brought in
> way too many people because of greed and laziness.
> The immigrant pays the price, though, in terms of
> impatience and hostility from citizens who become
> frustrated over the language barrier, not to
> mention customs they aren't used to.
>
> We don't have enough jobs or resources for the
> people who are here- it's sheer lunacy to keep
> demanding more immigration. Legal or illegal, the
> result is the same- watered down wages and a
> diminished job market. If we'd been invaded by
> Canadians, these problems would be identical,
> although the language issue wouldn't exist, and it
> is unlikely that those emigrating from a wealthy
> nation would work for the kinds of wages Third
> World immigrants do.
>
> Those who inject "racism" taunts into the
> discussion are utilizing the only defense they
> have in this insane, PC society of ours. The issue
> is numbers of people, and the impact immigration
> has had on unskilled labor. It's a simple fact
> that one used to be able to live a good life in
> this area working any job.

yeah yeah blah blah blah.

Listen, pal. I want you to go up to New York City. They got a statue in that harbor of yrs. You need to go there and visit it. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two about what America TRULY means. (read the plaque, it'll help)
If you want to CHANGE the meaning of America, then go right on ahead and try. But yr whole rant about job markets and stuff amounts to a ton of BS since:
a) race or immigration status of the population doesnt increase/decrease the amt of jobs (i.e. if we had the same #of population, only white or whatevers, then we wouldnt have any better an economy, better jobs, or whatever bull you were trying to play on me)
and b) aint enough ppl ANYWAYS to fill in the job categories that immigrants fill. I dont see you jumping at the chance of picking apples in Washington State, yo.

Our corporate owners would be sticking their dicks up our ass the way they are ANYWAYS, no matter how much immigration was going on. We'd just have a diff skin colour population is all. But the crap would all be the same. All the racists would just be blaming the white trash and blacks is all.............

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> So dont sell me this crap that the county is going
> to shit cause of all the immigrants
> here..........cause it's simply not true.

I live in a development with lots of common area (hampton forest/chase). Walking my dog on the bike path today I noticed a new resident (probably PAKI's) had hired a bunch of beaners to cut down vegitation in their back yard and common area past their back yard. Of course they dumped it on the other side of the bike path in a small patch of woods adjecent to the tot lot. Looks like a landfill now. That's the new normal.

well yeah, it is...................because YOU allow it.
See, I'd have talked to the new neighbor, AND the workers......and I've had done it in such a way as to make sure they felt I was hooking them up with knowledge about where and where not to dump.

But of course, since you were there first and have all this knowledge, you are gonna just DENY said knowledge to the new guy, and just complain behind your own neighbor's back like a bitch.

Listen, yo. And I'm being serious not trying to rank on you. It's something I learned long time back and always apply it to everything I do: You NEVER tear a man down unless you are WILLING to lend out a hand and help him back up.

In other words, instead of acting like the new guy is scum or whatever, why dont you just try and make friends, let him know what's up and what not supposed to be?

We do crap like that where I live and let me tell you the neighborhood still is as sweet as it was when it was built in the 80s..............or was it 90's I really dont know LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> well yeah, it is...................because YOU
> allow it.
> See, I'd have talked to the new neighbor, AND the
> workers......and I've had done it in such a way as
> to make sure they felt I was hooking them up with
> knowledge about where and where not to dump.
>
> But of course, since you were there first and have
> all this knowledge, you are gonna just DENY said
> knowledge to the new guy, and just complain behind
> your own neighbor's back like a bitch.
>
> Listen, yo. And I'm being serious not trying to
> rank on you. It's something I learned long time
> back and always apply it to everything I do: You
> NEVER tear a man down unless you are WILLING to
> lend out a hand and help him back up.
>
> In other words, instead of acting like the new guy
> is scum or whatever, why dont you just try and
> make friends, let him know what's up and what not
> supposed to be?
>
> We do crap like that where I live and let me tell
> you the neighborhood still is as sweet as it was
> when it was built in the 80s..............or was
> it 90's I really dont know LoLz

Listen Amigo - it's not my neighbor - 2 blocks away. Every normal person knows not to mess with land outside their property bounderies. There were new survey stakes. Every normal person knows you don't dump your garbage on community property. Immigrants from certain countries are trash. Period.

well then..................guess we can just file you under "K" then..............

cause you know you can just "normal" based on what country ppl come from, y'see.
And its downright IMPOSSIBLE that two ppl from the same country could be different, have different personalities and opinions or ways of living, right?

...........just incredible...................2012, people. 2012.

I often wonder what caused the area around Springfield Mall to turn to crap. Formerly solid built homes, little to no crime and clean well kept lawns. Today they sport multi family use in single family homes, cars parked on what used to be the lawn, assorted empty containers of alcoholic beverages all over the streets and sidewalks with police cars running up and down the streets at all hours.


Racism must be the cause............thats got to be it........

sounds like Roanoke
LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ...........just incredible...................2012,
> people. 2012.

That's the point of the thread. It's 2012 and the county has turned to shit. High taxes, hordes of day laborers, communities with large groups of people packed into small houses, schools packed with the illegal's kids, hospital's delivering multitudes of babies of uninsured daily, etc. etc.

"why dont you just try and make friends, let him know what's up and what not supposed to be?"


always accomodating the new folks who can't really be bothered with the practices of the community

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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>> In other words, instead of acting like the new guy
> is scum or whatever, why dont you just try and
> make friends, let him know what's up and what not
> supposed to be?

Are you serious, is it my yob to tell newly arrived not to park on a lawn, throw trash in the street, whistle at ten year old girls, keep the home to one family of occupants or not put cherry bomb mufflers on a 89 toyota and wake up the dead.

I have been trying to hire decent landscaping services for years. I pay good money only to have my bushes and trees destroyed, my flowers yanked up, etc. I've given up. My beach place in another state always looks gorgeous and the major difference is they do not use illegals for workers. Their workers know what's a plant and what's a weed and work accordingly. They are also less expensive. I've all but given up here. My yard looks like a dump and I'm in a gorgeous area. At this point, I will probably have to plant the standard curly trees and shrubs everyone does and do away with my thought of a lovely property full of perennials.

I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

I lived in a third world country years ago. Lived with a local family. They dumped their garbage across the street in the weeds. There was no garbage pick up truck. The streets smelled (of course). Huge rats came out at night. I'm surprised I stayed healthy actually. It's amazing how much the human body can become accustomed to. Of course I'm not saying this was a good thing. Plenty of people were taking antibiotics on a regular basis (without prescriptions). This is why you must talk to them. You also must tell them not to change their oil and dump it into the sewer and things like that. I have tried to tell them what cancer is. They come from places where there is virtually NO education (systems that like to keep people down). We can bear a certain number of these people here, but there is a tipping point. We need time for them to assimilate and learn how to live here. It's not a question of racism. Diversity is great in some ways, but not when it comes to health and safety. We cannot compromise our health and safety. Using the hospital emergency room as a doctor's office is one of the compromises that we should not be making. Our jails should not be full of people from countries where gangs are rampant. Etc.

XWYMv

common sense Wrote:
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> I lived in a third world country years ago. Lived
> with a local family. They dumped their garbage
> across the street in the weeds. There was no
> garbage pick up truck. The streets smelled (of
> course). Huge rats came out at night. I'm
> surprised I stayed healthy actually. It's amazing
> how much the human body can become accustomed to.
> Of course I'm not saying this was a good thing.
> Plenty of people were taking antibiotics on a
> regular basis (without prescriptions). This is
> why you must talk to them. You also must tell
> them not to change their oil and dump it into the
> sewer and things like that. I have tried to tell
> them what cancer is. They come from places where
> there is virtually NO education (systems that like
> to keep people down). We can bear a certain
> number of these people here, but there is a
> tipping point. We need time for them to
> assimilate and learn how to live here. It's not a
> question of racism. Diversity is great in some
> ways, but not when it comes to health and safety.
> We cannot compromise our health and safety. Using
> the hospital emergency room as a doctor's office
> is one of the compromises that we should not be
> making. Our jails should not be full of people
> from countries where gangs are rampant. Etc.

I have a better idea, sending them back where they came from. Educate them there!

The UnHappy Camper Wrote:
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> I've lived in Fairfax County for over 50 years and
> I cannot believe all the tip towing around the
> Immigration Issues that grow every year. I found
> these (4) posts alone on subjects involving the
> Immigration discussion and issues. Some are direct
> and others are the direct or indirect result of
> some bad decision made by the Immigration office.
> One of which is right here in Fairfax. I've been
> reading in the news over the past year alone of
> incidents where there are illegals and even legals
> (w/green cards) that are breaking laws. Why are
> they still here? How in the world do some of these
> ex-cons get green cards here in the US? It's the
> Immigration office and the lack of leadership of
> our elected officials.
>
> I did a search here on Fairfax Underground and
> came up with these threads and hundreds of pages
> on the subject of Immigration. Crimes being
> committed by persons who were either deported or
> living here illegally while waiting for the
> Immigration process to go through. Seems
> inefficent at best, dangerous at worst.
>
>
> The Reason For All The Minorities Here..
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/78
> 3723/784202.html#msg-784202
>
> Work Center in centreville
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/801
> 898/802328.html#msg-802328
>
> Uninsured Motorist Fee
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/791
> 398/791536.html#msg-791536
>
> Driver charged with DUI manslaughter in boy's
> death
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/799
> 633/802548.html#msg-802548
>
> What is wrong with the federal government???
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/775
> 980/775980.html#msg-775980
>
> Human Trafficking Task Force Round up Nets
> Licensure Violations
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/768
> 724/768724.html#msg-768724
>
> New Schools for Pedro and Maria
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/773
> 565/773584.html#msg-773584
>
> Alabama Imigration Law....Gigantic Failure
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/75
> 9568/759568.html#msg-759568
>
> Fast Eddie's Crackdown
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/748
> 744/750605.html#msg-750605
>
> Deport Him AGAIN
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/750
> 302/750302.html#msg-750302
>
> Occupy Fairfax 10/29
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/711
> 776/712135.html#msg-712135
>
> Illegal Immigration Debate
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/74
> 0040/740046.html#msg-740046
>
> PW county free of illegal immigrants, when will
> Fairfax County follow?
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/739
> 907/739934.html#msg-739934
>
> Could you get deported for this?
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/728
> 009/733114.html#msg-733114
>
> Can anyone suggest a good attorney for F1 student
> with 2 misdemeanor charges
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/17/71
> 8922/724478.html#msg-724478

Wasn't the guy attacking women on the bike trail between DC and Ashburn an illegal too?

Send them back. Self deportation. EVerify, hefty fines for employers who violate the law, no social service benefits.

I stopped over at Ross by Landmark mall the other day. Had to be at least 75% muslim in that area. It's always been an ethnic mix over there, but now it is definitely muslim majority.

Put the screws to our Board of Directors.

So damn sick and tired of this
,
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> I've lived in Fairfax County for over 50 years and
> I cannot believe all the tip towing around the
> Immigration Issues that grow every year. I found
> these (4) posts alone on subjects involving the
> Immigration discussion and issues. Some are direct
> and others are the direct or indirect result of
> some bad decision made by the Immigration office.
> One of which is right here in Fairfax. I've been
> reading in the news over the past year alone of
> incidents where there are illegals and even legals
> (w/green cards) that are breaking laws. Why are
> they still here? How in the world do some of these
> ex-cons get green cards here in the US? It's the
> Immigration office and the lack of leadership of
> our elected officials.
>
> I did a search here on Fairfax Underground and
> came up with these threads and hundreds of pages
> on the subject of Immigration. Crimes being
> committed by persons who were either deported or
> living here illegally while waiting for the
> Immigration process to go through. Seems
> inefficent at best, dangerous at worst.
>
>
> The Reason For All The Minorities Here..
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/78
> 3723/784202.html#msg-784202
>
> Work Center in centreville
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/801
> 898/802328.html#msg-802328
>
> Uninsured Motorist Fee
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/791
> 398/791536.html#msg-791536
>
> Driver charged with DUI manslaughter in boy's
> death
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/799
> 633/802548.html#msg-802548
>
> What is wrong with the federal government???
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/775
> 980/775980.html#msg-775980
>
> Human Trafficking Task Force Round up Nets
> Licensure Violations
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/768
> 724/768724.html#msg-768724
>
> New Schools for Pedro and Maria
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/773
> 565/773584.html#msg-773584
>
> Alabama Imigration Law....Gigantic Failure
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/75
> 9568/759568.html#msg-759568
>
> Fast Eddie's Crackdown
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/748
> 744/750605.html#msg-750605
>
> Deport Him AGAIN
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/750
> 302/750302.html#msg-750302
>
> Occupy Fairfax 10/29
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/711
> 776/712135.html#msg-712135
>
> Illegal Immigration Debate
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/74
> 0040/740046.html#msg-740046
>
> PW county free of illegal immigrants, when will
> Fairfax County follow?
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/739
> 907/739934.html#msg-739934
>
> Could you get deported for this?
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/728
> 009/733114.html#msg-733114
>
> Can anyone suggest a good attorney for F1 student
> with 2 misdemeanor charges
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/17/71
> 8922/724478.html#msg-724478

"Tip towing"?

My two cents. I'm from an immigrant family to Virginia too, but that was about the hundred and fifty years ago. I have no beef with people coming here, just do it legally. We must have some kind control on it. That said, what irks me is every body claims to be coming here to escape a war, gangs, insurrection etc. Why don't these folks have enough testicular (or ovarian) fortitude to stay home and fix the problems in their native society? We had a four plus year civil war a while back, Americans weren't hauling ass for Canada and Mexico then? Most immigrants claim protection under the qualifiers of war etc, when everyone knows that most folks just want to live in a successful, safe nation with a good economy, or at least the opportunity to take on some dollars and roll back home... Fix your own damn country y'all! People come here from many beautiful places, is it just easier to bail out to the US?

Spanglish.....

Litters Of kids






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> I am extremely irritated with the large number of
> immigrants in Fairfax. The hospital emergency
> rooms are filled with immigrants who don't carry
> insurance and use the hospital as their method for
> medical treatment. This is at the expense of the
> rest of us who carry insurance. I believe that
> anchor babies should not ever be given as a reason
> to stay in this country. When a baby is born of
> illegals then that baby should also be an illegal
> and the entire family should be fined and
> deported. I'm tired of going into Walmart and
> hearing every language EXCEPT English being
> spoken. Did my ancestors come from another
> country into America --- YES -- BUT THEY DID SO
> LEGALLY -- following the laws of this land and
> then they actually LEARNED TO SPEAK ENGLISH and
> became American citizens -- they were law abiding
> and did not pee on the streets, or drive without a
> license or expect to be taken care of by the
> taxpayers.

Not A sermon just a fuck you Wrote:
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> Look you stupid fuckin hick
>
> Just as many crimes are being committed by legal
> citizens in this area (OH AND BY THE WAY, WE KNOW
> YOU REALLY MEAN NON-WHITE PEOPLE cause Im sure if
> a canadian illegally came here you'd also be up in
> arms). The last headlines Ive been seeing around
> this area have all been about dumbass white
> redneck bitches from manassas coming to steal my
> hard earned fairfax money cause little Tyler and
> Harrison need money for their NC-17 movies and
> that huntin rifle derrrrr uhhhhh.
>
> My point being you don't know shit, Northern
> Virginia has a very high immigrant population
> (legal or illegal) because of its transient and
> international nature and has had this ratio since
> the 80s (they werent hispanic then, they were
> asian and african). And I remember in the 80s
> everyone was saying OH MY GOD SO MANY IMMIGRANTS
> THEY ARE GONNA START CREATING GANGS. Well guess
> what now all those children are the ones who are
> beating out your lazy ass children for jobs in
> engineering and science. Now its hispanics, and
> you wanna say, its not cause they arent white, its
> cause they are illegal, well when they were
> helping to building your shitty 4 bedroom
> (assumption) in pleasantville you didnt seem to
> mind, but now they are CRIMINALS! KILL THEM!
>
> This land was founded by and continues to be added
> to by immigrants. In the late 1800s it was irish,
> in the 1910s it was italians, in the 30s it was
> central europeans, in the 70s it was middle
> easterners, in the 80s asians, and now its
> hispanics. With each of these previous iterations
> there were assholes who made the entire
> immigration community look bad, but 20 years later
> we now see that these ethnicities actually have
> higher education levels and better jobs than other
> more established ethnicities.
>
> My point being, don't scapegoat stuff on
> immigrants man, I came here (legally btw) from
> Iran and when we first got here people like you
> thought we were illegals, refugees, terrorists,
> yada yada when all we were looking for was a free
> place away from assholes like you who want to
> scapegoat the populations problems on "THE OTHER
> GUYS!!!" And am I pissed off that other countries
> cant have legal immigrants come here because the
> illegal immigration problem, I dont fault the
> people who all they want to do is get away from
> the drug cartels that kill their families in order
> to feed a drug habit in white suburbia and 99.9%
> of these people want to have nothing to do with
> that kind of life.
>
> Maybe think before you talk instead of being
> afraid what the future may bring and understand
> that history always repeats itself.
>
> Anyways... I guesss..... fuck off

Illegal Illegal Illegal Illegal Illegal Illegal Illegal Illegal Illegal Illegal
WTF do you not understand about illegal. Dumb fuck What a waste of space you are.

If you're not wealthy and white, get out of my county. Go on, fuck off now.