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GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: ANNONYMOUS ()
Date: January 11, 2012 04:16PM

Lets say I host a Texas Hold'em games at my house and payout the top 5 players. Are there laws against this? I heard that as long as the house doesn't take in any money then it is OK. Is this true?

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: sort of ()
Date: January 11, 2012 04:30PM

ANNONYMOUS Wrote:
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> Lets say I host a Texas Hold'em games at my house
> and payout the top 5 players. Are there laws
> against this? I heard that as long as the house
> doesn't take in any money then it is OK. Is this
> true?


Partially true. It depends on how big the tournament is and how much money is at stake. If your have 5 or 6 people come over and the pot is 2 or 300 bucks they wont care. Yours sounds like a much bigger tournament though which they would care about. You cant have 20 people tournaments ect or be playing for thousands of dollars because they will act if they find out

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Wyatt ()
Date: January 11, 2012 05:07PM

I heard somewhere that betting money on poker isnt technically gambling, since poker involves skill and gambling refers to games of chance or something somesuch

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: sort of ()
Date: January 11, 2012 05:14PM

Wyatt Wrote:
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> I heard somewhere that betting money on poker isnt
> technically gambling, since poker involves skill
> and gambling refers to games of chance or
> something somesuch


Its still gambling and illegal they just dont care if its just friendly games with friends. Theres still a lot of luck in poker too, you can make all the right moves and get your money in at the right time but if the guy out draws you he outdraws you

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Know When To Hold Em , Know When To Fold Em. ()
Date: January 11, 2012 06:24PM

They key here is really the issue of what is the house taking in. It's been probably 5 years or so now but my old roomate was a wedding photographer. One of his clients was a couple that was running a good sized ( 20 + people on many nights ) set up out of their house out in Centerville. They would charge people a small fee to play and in return they would provide food and drinks but didn't really take a cut. One of the guys that was a regular at that place was down on his luck and began stealing money from the Pizza Hut where he worked. He got caught doing that and went to the police and worked out a deal with the police to go in as a CI and play with marked money while they built up a case. The CI reported back that they kept a gun in the house because several places had been broken into around that time. When they were finally ready to go in they went in with a SWAT team because of the knowledge of guns. Maybe some of the Centerville guys remember what happened. No idea what the final outcome was but it played out in court for over year with appeals and other filings.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Wyatt ()
Date: January 11, 2012 06:52PM

^^^ are you referring to the guy that got shot and killed while he was in handcuffs?

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Know When To Hold Em , Know When To Fold Em ()
Date: January 11, 2012 07:45PM

?? Nobody got shot that I was aware of. My understanding was that they questioned everyone, detained a few and that was it when SWAT came.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 07:51PM

Wyatt Wrote:
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> I heard somewhere that betting money on poker isnt
> technically gambling, since poker involves skill
> and gambling refers to games of chance or
> something somesuch

That is what some states are using to make online poker legal. It is true poker is a game of skill. It is not like pulling a handle on a slot machine which is luck. If you dont have a good working knowledge of the game you will be the loser everytime.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: January 11, 2012 08:53PM

First off, it appears that all gambling is illegal in VA, unless it's specifically defined in the Code as legal (i.e. the government runs the operation like the lottery § 18.2-334.3). It also seems like if you are just hosting the gambling operation you don't even need to make money off of it for it to be a class 6 Felony. Just "supervising" it is enough (sounds close enough to "hosting" to be scary).

But then there's Section § 18.2-334 which excepts it if it's in a private residence (?), as long as there's no "Operator". That's a broadly defined word which they'll used to hang you from a tree with.

Really not sure why the government is even involved. Oh yeah, the Bible.




http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+TOC18020000008000000000000

§ 18.2-325. Definitions.

1. "Illegal gambling" means the making, placing or receipt of any bet or wager in the Commonwealth of money or other thing of value, made in exchange for a chance to win a prize, stake or other consideration or thing of value, dependent upon the result of any game, contest or any other event the outcome of which is uncertain or a matter of chance, whether such game, contest or event occurs or is to occur inside or outside the limits of the Commonwealth.

For the purposes of this subdivision and notwithstanding any provision in this section to the contrary, the making, placing, or receipt of any bet or wager of money or other thing of value shall include the purchase of a product, Internet access, or other thing, which purchase credits the purchaser with free points or other measurable units that may be (i) risked by the purchaser for an opportunity to win additional points or other measurable units that are redeemable by the purchaser for money or (ii) redeemed by the purchaser for money, and but for the free points or other measurable units, with regard to clauses (i) and (ii), the purchase of the product, Internet access, or other thing (a) would be of insufficient value in and of itself to justify the purchase or (b) is merely incidental to the chance to win money.

4. "Operator" includes any person, firm or association of persons, who conducts, finances, manages, supervises, directs or owns all or part of an illegal gambling enterprise, activity or operation.

18.2-328. Conducting illegal gambling operation; penalties.

The operator of an illegal gambling enterprise, activity or operation shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. However, any such operator who engages in an illegal gambling operation which (i) has been or remains in substantially continuous operation for a period in excess of thirty days or (ii) has gross revenue of $2,000 or more in any single day shall be fined not more than $20,000 and imprisoned not less than one year nor more than ten years.

As used in this section, the term "gross revenue" means the total amount of illegal gambling transactions handled, dealt with, received by or placed with such operation, as distinguished from any net figure or amount from which deductions are taken, without regard to whether money or any other thing of value actually changes hands.


§ 18.2-334. Exception to article; private residences.

Nothing in this article shall be construed to make it illegal to participate in a game of chance conducted in a private residence, provided such private residence is not commonly used for such games of chance and there is no operator as defined in subsection 4 of § 18.2-325.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: luck always beats skill ()
Date: January 11, 2012 09:05PM

louie the shark Wrote:
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>If you dont have a good working
> knowledge of the game you will be the loser
> everytime.


Youve obviously never played before

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Bottom line ()
Date: January 11, 2012 09:14PM

Bottom line is playing poker is technically illegal to do for money. If you have a very small number of friends and the pots arent that big the cops dont care. You start holding large tournaments for playing for a lot of money and they care.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 09:59PM

luck always beats skill Wrote:
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> Youve obviously never played before

I am open to giving you a lesson, bring your money.

While luck may win you a few hands in the long run I will take you to the cleaners. Do you think it is luck the same people show up in the final ten each year in the WSP? In a true tournement you cannot keep digging out money waiting for luck to happen. You buy in with a set amount, once you get cleaned out you leave the table, thats how it works.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: wat ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:05PM

The same people never show up in the final ten each year. WTF are you talking about?

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: I saw that movie too ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:08PM

louie the shark Wrote:
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> luck always beats skill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Youve obviously never played before
>
> I am open to giving you a lesson, bring your
> money.
>
> While luck may win you a few hands in the long
> run I will take you to the cleaners. Do you think
> it is luck the same people show up in the final
> ten each year in the WSP? In a true tournement
> you cannot keep digging out money waiting for luck
> to happen. You buy in with a set amount, once you
> get cleaned out you leave the table, thats how it
> works.


Someone just watched Rounders.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:10PM

I didnt say the exact same ten, I said the same people meaning the same faces more or less. No one ever got to the final ten on just luck and saying it is just luck will make you an easy mark for a good player.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:12PM

I watched Rounders many years ago and the saying still holds true. Reading the other players, knowing what cards are already out and the percentages of obtaining certain hands is skill and not luck. Only a fool would call the game luck.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: I saw that movie too ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:15PM

louie the shark Wrote:
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> I watched Rounders many years ago and the saying
> still holds true. Reading the other players,
> knowing what cards are already out and the
> percentages of obtaining certain hands is skill
> and not luck. Only a fool would call the game
> luck.

Only a fool would not admit luck is a big part of the game. Theres a reason even the best pros will be some of the first out in tournaments. You can make all the right moves but if you get outdrawn your done. Skill improves your chances but if you arent getting cards you arent going to win consistently period

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:25PM

Luck a big part? I dont think so. With little to no skills or knowledge of the game you will be an easy target. The pros go to the small venue poker rooms and clean up with people having that mindset, happens all the time. I have seen it in Charlestown over and over. People who come to the table with the idea luck will carry the day will soon be broke. I have seen people that didnt even know the ranking of hands. An easy payday for those looking for piegons.

Your saying luck is a big part marks you as a sucker. I will hold three of a kind and you try to fill that inside straight with one card left, let me know who will be the winner the majority of the time.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:30PM

WSP
Phil Helmuth has won the most bracelets with 11 followed by Doyle Brunson and Johnny Chan with ten bracelets each.

All just lucky I suppose

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:30PM

WSP
Phil Helmuth has won the most bracelets with 11 followed by Doyle Brunson and Johnny Chan with ten bracelets each.

All just lucky I suppose

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: I saw that movie too ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:31PM

louie the shark Wrote:
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> Luck a big part? I dont think so. With little to
> no skills or knowledge of the game you will be an
> easy target. The pros go to the small venue poker
> rooms and clean up with people having that
> mindset, happens all the time. I have seen it in
> Charlestown over and over. People who come to the
> table with the idea luck will carry the day will
> soon be broke. I have seen people that didnt even
> know the ranking of hands. An easy payday for
> those looking for piegons.
>
> Your saying luck is a big part marks you as a
> sucker. I will hold three of a kind and you try to
> fill that inside straight with one card left, let
> me know who will be the winner the majority of the
> time.


You obviously dont understand what luck is. No luck doesnt work everytime but it doesnt matter what happens in the long run while your on the hot streak it works. Im not talking about idiots that dont even know how to play.

Get over it luck is a part of the game. People get sucked out all the time. If it was all skill it wouldnt be gambling. Its gambling not a sport

If you were the poker genius and so great at it wed see you at the final table on ESPN

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Posted by: I saw that movie too ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:34PM

louie the shark Wrote:
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> WSP
> Phil Helmuth has won the most bracelets with 11
> followed by Doyle Brunson and Johnny Chan with ten
> bracelets each.
>
> All just lucky I suppose


They win maybe 5 to 10 percent of the events they play in. Brunsons probably played in a 1000 events. If it was skill and only still the same 5 to 10 people would win every bracelet. In REAL sports the elite players dominate especially in an individual sport. 6 people have won 8 or more bracelets yet they all play in 8-10 events a year every year. I guess they just dont feel like trying most of the time.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:39PM

I understand luck will let you win once in awhile. Skill will keep you in the game for the long haul. Luck may be a part but you stated it was a "big part". I would love to see you go to a real poker room and keep pushing the limits waiting for luck to come into play. It wouldnt take long before you were cleaned out.
You may not see me in the WSP final table but you can be sure you wont see me outside a poker room damning my "luck".

Do you think casinos win because of luck or could it be the percentages are with them and they are in for the long haul.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Soothsayer ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:48PM

I know, I know, I know who you are . . . . both of you.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: I saw that movie too ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:50PM

louie the shark Wrote:
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> I understand luck will let you win once in awhile.
> Skill will keep you in the game for the long haul.
> Luck may be a part but you stated it was a "big
> part". I would love to see you go to a real poker
> room and keep pushing the limits waiting for luck
> to come into play. It wouldnt take long before you
> were cleaned out.
> You may not see me in the WSP final table but you
> can be sure you wont see me outside a poker room
> damning my "luck".
>
> Do you think casinos win because of luck or could
> it be the percentages are with them and they are
> in for the long haul.


Youve obviously missed the entire point yet again. Your making non relevant comparisons and acting like im talking about just saying all in every hand. Let me put it to you in the simplest of terms. You could have too top flight pros at the table. The majority of the time the winner will be the one you gets the better cards. A hand here or there one of them might out play the other but they both have skill and who ever has the better luck of the cards will win.

No shit a casino wins in the long run because they have an advantage in every game. In the short term on any given day depending on players LUCK the casino could make a ton of money or be cashing out a ton of chips.

Poker is gambling and luck is involved its not all skill and its not a sport end of story

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Soothsayer ()
Date: January 11, 2012 10:54PM

Don't go down this road- it won't help the cause- ignore FU.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: louie the shark ()
Date: January 11, 2012 11:04PM

I took you at your word when you said it played a big part. It does not, plain and simple. Dont hate on me for what you said, just back up your statement.

Carry a rabbits foot, your lucky penny or wear two different socks the odds of obtaining certain hands are fixed. I have played in many tournements and at first I felt some guilt for taking peoples money who had no business being in a game but that is the only way they will or maybe will not learn. When they get beat they curse luck and say if only I had gotten lucky and filled the inside straight or gotten that flush. The odds beat them I just happened to have the odds on my side they didnt.

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Posted by: I saw that movie too ()
Date: January 11, 2012 11:28PM

louie the shark Wrote:
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> I took you at your word when you said it played a
> big part. It does not, plain and simple. Dont hate
> on me for what you said, just back up your
> statement.
>
> Carry a rabbits foot, your lucky penny or wear two
> different socks the odds of obtaining certain
> hands are fixed. I have played in many tournements
> and at first I felt some guilt for taking peoples
> money who had no business being in a game but that
> is the only way they will or maybe will not learn.
> When they get beat they curse luck and say if only
> I had gotten lucky and filled the inside straight
> or gotten that flush. The odds beat them I just
> happened to have the odds on my side they didnt.

Okay so since luck has nothing to do with it why do pros go out on the first day of the WSOP? Why is the final table not all pros? Do they just not feel like trying some days? Why do they go on cold streaks where they will lose millions in cash games?

By your logic the answer is that they just get tired of winning and want to mix it up

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: DanGolfy ()
Date: November 30, 2019 10:11PM

ANNONYMOUS Wrote:
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> Lets say I host a Texas Hold'em games at my house
> and payout the top 5 players. Are there laws
> against this? I heard that as long as the house
> doesn't take in any money then it is OK. Is this
> true?


The law cannot take your money, but if your income from games or bets exceeds the amount established by the state, then you must pay a special tax. I just bet on a new betting site and was able to win more than 25,000 bucks in a couple of months, and the tax office ordered me to pay out about 6,000 bucks. I was shocked, but I had to hatch this money. So the government requires taxes from literally everything.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Brent ()
Date: December 02, 2019 01:55AM

The tax service always wants your money, bro. If you want to play hide and seek with them, then use cryptocurrency. This is a very common option now.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: GregorySmith ()
Date: December 02, 2019 03:02AM

You can find any suitable gambling site for yourself. I like the Canadian casino - https://www.gambling-fever.com/ It's not just about the possibility of using cryptocurrency. The fact is that online games are simply more anonymous. I like that I can play without leaving home and I can also choose what to write in my declaration) Poker and blackjack have never let me down.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: SumMo ()
Date: December 02, 2019 03:04AM

In Fx County, you risk your life gambling. These 2 different incidents tell the tale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/01/27/fairfax-swat-team-raids-high-stakes-great-falls-poker-game-seizes-cash-terrifies-players/

On a quiet weeknight among the stately manors of Great Falls, ten men sat around a table in the basement of a private home last November playing high stakes poker. Suddenly, masked and heavily armed SWAT team officers from the Fairfax County Police Department burst through the door, pointed their assault rifles at the players and ordered them to put their hands on the table.

https://deadspin.com/bets-and-bullets-a-small-time-gamblers-death-by-swat-1677469592

Culosi was unarmed and standing in his socks in front of his townhouse on Jan. 24, 2006, when a member of the Fairfax police tactical squad, or SWAT team, gunned him down. The shooter, Officer Deval Bullock, had shown up with other cops seconds before to serve a search warrant to look for evidence of football betting just days before Super Bowl XL.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: ffxu roadside assistance ()
Date: December 02, 2019 04:44AM

Most of the posts on this thread from 2012 are from the same person.

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Re: GAMBLING LAWS IN FAIRFAX CO.
Posted by: Jeorge H Waters ()
Date: December 11, 2019 10:34PM

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