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Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: DK ()
Date: February 27, 2008 01:09PM


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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: February 27, 2008 01:27PM

and thats why you don't do stupid shit while cops are watching...

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: February 27, 2008 01:41PM

Stupid punks. Hope they don't get their cars back.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: nakedshoplifter ()
Date: February 27, 2008 01:42PM

Tokyo drift Vs. Berlin burnout

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: February 27, 2008 01:46PM

I wish the FCPD web people would do something to keep the pic proportions right. The cars look too weird unless you view the pics off the page.

I noticed neither car had front plate... is it standard procedure for the cops to remove them when they are in the impound lot, or is it just coincidence?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2008 01:47PM by pgens.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: February 27, 2008 01:50PM

i wouldn't know... but i can imagine that the 'racer' boys took them off to reduce weight... easy mod, with like 5HP gain!!

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: insurance exec ()
Date: February 27, 2008 01:51PM

Little wonder insurance execs charge outrageous premiums for young male drivers. And I can only imagine the reception these two received when they went home that evening - telling Mom and Dad they faced serious misdemeanor charges and that their cars were impounded, likely never to be seen or driven again, akin to an auto theft but with no chance to file any claim. Query how many times their parents informed them of their stupidity?

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: February 27, 2008 02:14PM

They were both 18... easy enough for their parents to kick them off the policies if they were still on them.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Lurker.. ()
Date: February 27, 2008 02:24PM

Taking their cars seems a little drastic

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: February 27, 2008 03:00PM

thats probably reserved for the repeat offenders... or maybe they hit somebody while racing..

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: aha ()
Date: February 27, 2008 03:09PM

or maybe the public is still shocked and upset form the recent deaths of 8 people related to street racing and taking their cars is to make an example of what won't be tolerated in this county? Just a thought.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: native ()
Date: February 27, 2008 03:22PM

so what's going to happen to those cars? Are they eventually will be released to their owners or are they "taken away". I am not sure about the n/a supra but I am sure that the VW is financed and most likely under his parents name. Would the car be given back to the parent or is it as good as gone???

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Harry Beaver ()
Date: February 27, 2008 03:27PM

Great.

More mexicans in the news.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: insurance exec ()
Date: February 27, 2008 05:54PM

The cars are subject to forfeiture. This is why I say 18 or not they had to catch heck for sacrificing a family asset. But such are the perils of street racing.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: February 27, 2008 07:43PM

pgens Wrote:
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> I wish the FCPD web people would do something to
> keep the pic proportions right. The cars look too
> weird unless you view the pics off the page.


you expect the police to be halfway intelligent?!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: February 27, 2008 07:47PM

VA Code § 46.2-867. Racing; seizure of motor vehicle (top)

If the owner of a motor vehicle in Virginia (i) is convicted of racing such vehicle in a prearranged, organized, and planned speed competition in violation of§ 46.2-865, (ii) is present in the vehicle which is being operated by another in violation of§ 46.2-865, and knowingly consents to the racing, or (iii) is convicted of a violation of§ 46.2-865.1, the vehicle shall be seized and disposed of in the manner provided in§ 4.1-339 through4.1-348 for seizure and forfeiture of conveyances or vehicles used in the illegal transportation of alcoholic beverages. Such sections shall apply mutatis mutandis.

The penalties imposed by these sections are in addition to any other penalty imposed by law.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: February 27, 2008 07:58PM

watcher Wrote:
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> VA Code § 46.2-867. Racing; seizure of motor
> vehicle (top)

Interesting. Since they haven't been convicted yet, I wonder under what law they have enacted the initial seizure. Seems like a poorly worded law. It might be hard to prove this was a "prearranged, organized, and planned" race.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: ffxn8v ()
Date: February 27, 2008 08:37PM

...and if it was mom and dad's car, they'll be getting it back



My money would be on the V-Dub. That is a tired looking yoda'

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: native ()
Date: February 27, 2008 09:11PM

Gravis, shut the fuck up. On the other note I hope that the owner parents of the vw get it back but I am sure the supra is a goner for sure.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: grunt ()
Date: February 27, 2008 11:37PM

Probably held em as evidence

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: February 28, 2008 02:01PM

native Wrote:
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> Gravis, shut the fuck up


not a chance. also, the images are strait of a digital camera, not even shrunken or compressed. any 12-year-old could do a better job than they did using Microsoft Paint.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: February 28, 2008 02:08PM

Lurker.. Wrote:
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> Taking their cars seems a little drastic


I heard out in Cali they not only impound the car they make the owner watch the car get flattened at a junkyard,

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Travis Bickel ()
Date: February 28, 2008 03:47PM

FYI they caught these two idiots at the same spot two people were killed in a crash a few years back.
I agree with Trog, might be a tough case to prove it was anything close to organized like a real race.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Schrute ()
Date: February 29, 2008 12:11AM

The county will be able to auction off both of those gems for at least $50.00 each. Our taxes won't be raised now for sure!!!

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: like2eat@theY ()
Date: February 29, 2008 11:47AM

With those shitty cars, how were they street racing?? 0-60 in 30 seconds! YES!!!

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: February 29, 2008 12:11PM

Kudos to FCPD.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: The Economist ()
Date: February 29, 2008 02:39PM

Lurker.. Wrote:
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> Taking their cars seems a little drastic


agreed, and where's the due process of law? I mean, isn't impounding their cars against the notion that you are innocent until proven guilty?

Whether you like it or not, these kids paid for the roads with the gasoline tax. I feel that the state has the responsibility to at least build a race track where this can be done in a safe manner. It's outrageous that there are no other avenues close by to engage in this activity. Then people wonder why there is street racing going on.

Building a track won't totally eliminate street racing, but at least curb it. The closest track is an hour and half away in Maryland. I've raced there before and one time I had to drive my broken car home double clutching and grinding gears. Made me never want to go back. At least when I blew my motor locally it was a cheap tow home.



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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: February 29, 2008 03:33PM

The Economist Wrote:
> Whether you like it or not, these kids paid for
> the roads with the gasoline tax. I feel that the
> state has the responsibility to at least build a
> race track where this can be done in a safe
> manner. It's outrageous that there are no other
> avenues close by to engage in this activity. Then
> people wonder why there is street racing going
> on.


This is, quite possibly, the stupidest thing I have ever read.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: February 29, 2008 03:51PM

The Economist Wrote:
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> Lurker.. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Taking their cars seems a little drastic
>
>
> agreed, and where's the due process of law? I
> mean, isn't impounding their cars against the
> notion that you are innocent until proven guilty?
>
> Whether you like it or not, these kids paid for
> the roads with the gasoline tax. I feel that the
> state has the responsibility to at least build a
> race track where this can be done in a safe
> manner. It's outrageous that there are no other
> avenues close by to engage in this activity. Then
> people wonder why there is street racing going
> on.
>
> Building a track won't totally eliminate street
> racing, but at least curb it. The closest track is
> an hour and half away in Maryland. I've raced
> there before and one time I had to drive my broken
> car home double clutching and grinding gears. Made
> me never want to go back. At least when I blew my
> motor locally it was a cheap tow home.


who do we write?

that'd be awesome to have a track in FFX county...

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: native ()
Date: February 29, 2008 04:06PM

second that

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: The Economist ()
Date: February 29, 2008 04:56PM

watcher Wrote:
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> The Economist Wrote:
> > Whether you like it or not, these kids paid for
> > the roads with the gasoline tax. I feel that
> the
> > state has the responsibility to at least build
> a
> > race track where this can be done in a safe
> > manner. It's outrageous that there are no other
> > avenues close by to engage in this activity.
> Then
> > people wonder why there is street racing going
> > on.
>
>
> This is, quite possibly, the stupidest thing I
> have ever read.


No, it's not. At the very least, the state could allow a track to be built by a private company. From what I've heard, people have tried in the past, and the county has blocked it. The reason is the noise issue. No one wants a racetrack that will run til 12 or 1 am on friday and saturdays around their house. There are plenty of places in prince william county that would make great racetracks with no noise issues. One was the 1/8" mile track in Manassas that shut down. The company sold it to developers. Now it's just a bunch of mcmansions.

I detest people like you. I don't go around saying "you shouldn't play XXXXXXXX" whatever thing that interests you, in this case I'll guess that it's either scrapbooking or knitting. Then you try to say that providing a LEGAL avenue for an otherwise illegal and at time dangerous activity is a bad idea. Learn to accept that people are different than you and have different activities.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: February 29, 2008 05:23PM

Detest all you like, sir. But when you say that the state has the responsibility to build a track since these kids gas tax paid for the road is idiotic, pure and simple.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: The Economist ()
Date: February 29, 2008 05:39PM

watcher Wrote:
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> Detest all you like, sir. But when you say that
> the state has the responsibility to build a track
> since these kids gas tax paid for the road is
> idiotic, pure and simple.


how do you figure????????? still wondering.. street racers pay money in the form of tax on gasoline. these dollars go to fund roads/transportation.......... shouldn't they have a say in where the money is spent?

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Observer ()
Date: February 29, 2008 05:55PM

Okay, enough is enough. Let's close this thread. Two Hispanic youth broke the law and were caught. Fortunately, no one was injured or killed due to their reckless driving. This county surely does not need a race track for its citizens, nor those folks whose culture supports low riders (I don't think that the cars in question were low riders; however, it's germane). After lawyers' expenses, raised auto insurance premiums, and other license limitations and points, these kids maybe learned a lesson--which is a good one for all of us. Obey the traffic laws and drive safely. Thank you Fairfax safety officers for your diligence!

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: February 29, 2008 06:10PM

Observer Wrote:
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> Okay, enough is enough. Let's close this thread.

Why, do you feel compelled to read it against your will? Don't like what you see, you know where your browser's "back" button is.

I like hearing talk about the idea of a legal place to race.



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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Native ()
Date: February 29, 2008 07:20PM

I agree with tomahawk, just because the subject does not directly involve your interest does not mean that we should completely shut it down and ignore it. I think building a race track at one of the local counties would be a great idea. Obviously street racing is not going to stop no matter how expensive it gets and no matter how much you the county will try to enforce it. That being said something should be done about besides saying"Two Hispanic youth broke the law and were caught" and forgetting the bigger issue here. Perhaps if a track was built we would see an incredible decrease in street racing and maybe even speeding. Less street racing/speeding equals less deaths and accidents.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: native ()
Date: February 29, 2008 07:24PM

Also what does the fact that they were Hispanic has anything to do with the issue and reference to the low riders was unecessary as well. Hispanics are not the only ones to ever get caught street racing and the subject of race has nothing to do with the incident

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: February 29, 2008 09:50PM

The Economist Wrote:

> how do you figure????????? still wondering..
> street racers pay money in the form of tax on
> gasoline. these dollars go to fund
> roads/transportation.......... shouldn't they have
> a say in where the money is spent?

No, they shouldn't. Street racing is both dangerous and illegal. They give up their "say" in where the money is spent when they choose to endanger the public by their reckless actions.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: native ()
Date: February 29, 2008 10:16PM

Watcher, don't get me wrong as I am not here to defend anyone but you are telling me that you always drive perfect? You never go over the limit? You never talk on the cell phone? You never speed up to make the yellow light? or you never cut anyone off or have been in an accident? Dont make me laugh. The difference between you and some of the people that get arrested is you, along with many others have not been caught. It's the same as talking down on drunk drivers when at one point of you life you have broke the law and drove drunk BUT you did not get caught. I am all for driving with care and respect for other on the road but nobody gives up their right as to where their tax money goes when they break a minor law. You talking down to 2 18 year olds as they were felons.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Crissy ()
Date: February 29, 2008 10:44PM

I hope both those kids get two years in jail and their cars taken away. We as Fairfax citizens will not stand this!

I also support any law that takes away speeders cars. If your over the speed limit, jail time and your car should be seized and sold at auction! Certainly if you just got your license!

Maybe next time you will read the speed limit sign!

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: February 29, 2008 11:19PM

Crissy Wrote:
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> I hope both those kids get two years in jail and
> their cars taken away. We as Fairfax citizens
> will not stand this!
>
> I also support any law that takes away speeders
> cars. If your over the speed limit, jail time and
> your car should be seized and sold at auction!
> Certainly if you just got your license!
>
> Maybe next time you will read the speed limit
> sign!

Well, well, well, aren't we feeling a little self-rightous? My guess is you don't drive since you got busted for DUI.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: native ()
Date: February 29, 2008 11:33PM

lol

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: March 01, 2008 03:23PM

native Wrote:
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> Watcher, don't get me wrong as I am not here to
> defend anyone but you are telling me that you
> always drive perfect? You never go over the limit?
> You never talk on the cell phone? You never speed
> up to make the yellow light? or you never cut
> anyone off or have been in an accident? Dont make
> me laugh. The difference between you and some of
> the people that get arrested is you, along with
> many others have not been caught. It's the same as
> talking down on drunk drivers when at one point of
> you life you have broke the law and drove drunk
> BUT you did not get caught. I am all for driving
> with care and respect for other on the road but
> nobody gives up their right as to where their tax
> money goes when they break a minor law. You
> talking down to 2 18 year olds as they were
> felons.


Your argument is without merit. We are talking about street racing, not minor traffic violations. And do not assume I have driven drunk.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Seanjohn ()
Date: March 02, 2008 09:04PM

We just need to have a place where these racers can come hang out and race in a controlled environment.

In Hampton roads, Langley Speedway host it annual "wacky Wednesdays".

Where Racers come, and pay x amount of dollars i think its like 30.00.

Ant they have: Time Attacks which the racers try to gget the best rack time.
best time wins 50.00
Burnouts, best burnout wins 50.00
And lastly they had One-on-one Drags, are double elimination races consisting of 1 lap around track against another competitor.

All the racers had to have the following:
- Street Legal: Car registration, plates and inspection stickers must be legal and valid.

- Must have a helmet (DOT or M rated)

- Must be 18 years of age or older to compete.

This has work extremely well. and fun for all.

A friend of mine been to every race for the past 3 years. and now has a +1 driving record. lol

If the Nova are did this, this will help with the problem.

Also I know Nova area had the MID-Atlantic mega meet. where they can come and show off there cars. also in a controlled environment.

If we all got together and just gave them a place to show/race there cars. the illegal racing scene will eventually come down..

Just my 2cents.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Dirty Jersey ()
Date: March 02, 2008 09:34PM

Wasn't the street racing accident in Maryland sort of close to the track in Mechanicsville, MD? I think with all these riced-out slow cars racing, actually getting times showing how slow their cars are would deter them, racing on the street they just race each other. Plus some of the illegal aspect of street racing probably draws most of them.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 02, 2008 09:36PM

Dirty Jersey Wrote:
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> Plus some of the illegal
> aspect of street racing probably draws most of
> them.


poppycock! nothing illegal happens anywhere near PG County.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Seanjohn ()
Date: March 03, 2008 12:06AM

Dirty Jersey Wrote:
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> Wasn't the street racing accident in Maryland sort
> of close to the track in Mechanicsville, MD? I
> think with all these riced-out slow cars racing,
> actually getting times showing how slow their cars
> are would deter them, racing on the street they
> just race each other. Plus some of the illegal
> aspect of street racing probably draws most of
> them.

not all of them are slow.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Bubba ()
Date: March 03, 2008 03:54AM

Just out of curiosity: Has anyone considered the potential liability our government would face when (not if) somebody gets killed on the government-owned racetrack? That alone makes it a losing proposition in my opinion. Dream on kids...

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Dirty Jersey ()
Date: March 03, 2008 10:13AM

Seanjohn Wrote:
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> Dirty Jersey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Wasn't the street racing accident in Maryland
> sort
> > of close to the track in Mechanicsville, MD? I
> > think with all these riced-out slow cars
> racing,
> > actually getting times showing how slow their
> cars
> > are would deter them, racing on the street they
> > just race each other. Plus some of the illegal
> > aspect of street racing probably draws most of
> > them.
>
> not all of them are slow.

Most of the ones being driven by teenagers racing on the streets are pretty slow, from what I've seen hanging out with some of them.



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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 03, 2008 12:47PM

Bubba Wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity: Has anyone considered the
> potential liability our government would face when
> (not if) somebody gets killed on the
> government-owned racetrack? That alone makes it a
> losing proposition in my opinion.


you make an excellent point. of course billy's mother is going to go nuts when billy plows into a wall and dies and sues anyone she can. it's never the father that goes nuts, go figure.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Seanjohn ()
Date: March 03, 2008 01:55PM

Bubba Wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity: Has anyone considered the
> potential liability our government would face when
> (not if) somebody gets killed on the
> government-owned racetrack? That alone makes it a
> losing proposition in my opinion. Dream on
> kids...

Who said it would be a government track?

When you race at a track well most that i been to you sign a wavier saying that if anythings go wrong you are responsible for what happens at the track. So if you wreck your car you can't claim it on insurance, etc.



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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 03, 2008 08:30PM

Seanjohn Wrote:
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> Who said it would be a government track?
>
> When you race at a track well most that i been to
> you sign a wavier saying that if anythings go
> wrong you are responsible for what happens at the
> track. So if you wreck your car you can't claim
> it on insurance, etc.



and yet it wont stop hysterical mothers from trying to ruin the owner's good name and sue them into the ground when billy plows into that wall. before you say it, billy will plow into the wall and die, he always does.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: brianl70333 ()
Date: March 06, 2008 04:14PM

"One was the 1/8" mile track in Manassas that shut down. The company sold it to developers. Now it's just a bunch of mcmansions. "

Old Dominion Speedway is still in operation--the developer decided that maybe, since there's a lot of homes for sale and prices are still dropping, it'd probably be a bad idea to build houses right now.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: boosTEDecotec ()
Date: July 15, 2012 12:58AM

...but street racing is more fun. I raced my girlfriend a few years back from Austin, TX to Houston, TX. We stopped in Houston at this gas station and we both got out and were like...."Whoooaa" because we were averaging 90mph+ through moderate-heavy traffic. It was awesome.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: STREET RACING TECHNOLOGY ()
Date: July 15, 2012 02:40AM

I womp on vettes all day in my srt10.
I make you look like your in reverse in my CTS-V.
But my daily is my boosted granny camry that can keep up with my CTS-V. It's fun smashing stangs.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: hillcrest00 ()
Date: July 15, 2012 02:45AM

STREET RACING TECHNOLOGY Wrote:
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> It's fun smashing stangs.


Mustangs are slow anyways

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: JustanFYI ()
Date: July 15, 2012 11:45AM

Good job bumping a 4year old thread with a worthless post.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Justan FYI 2U ()
Date: July 15, 2012 11:49AM

JustanFYI Wrote:
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> Good job bumping a 4year old thread with a
> worthless post.



Good job replying to a troll who bumped a 4year old thread with a worthless post.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Harry sax ()
Date: July 15, 2012 12:00PM

STREET RACING TECHNOLOGY Wrote:
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> I womp on vettes all day in my srt10.
> I make you look like your in reverse in my CTS-V.
> But my daily is my boosted granny camry that can
> keep up with my CTS-V. It's fun smashing stangs.


nigger please.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: jhey ()
Date: July 15, 2012 12:07PM

"Whoooaa"

I'M A FIVE-STAR MAN!!


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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Jimmy ()
Date: July 15, 2012 12:22PM

lol @ 1987 Supra.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: Jimbo Slice ()
Date: July 15, 2012 12:27PM

i found this in another thread. i will leave it here


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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: JustanFYI ()
Date: July 15, 2012 12:51PM

Justan FYI 2U Wrote:
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> JustanFYI Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Good job bumping a 4year old thread with a
> > worthless post.
>
>
>
> Good job replying to a troll who bumped a 4year
> old thread with a worthless post.

Appears you took the bait too dumbfuck.

On a better note, here is an actual update. I searched their names in the VA Court Case Lookup and found that both attempted to plead not guilty. Both received a 6 month suspension and $250 fine.

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Re: Street Racers busted in FFX
Posted by: JustanFYI is a Communist ()
Date: July 15, 2012 01:16PM

it would appear Scottie's suspension has been uplifted...Are you a communist?

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