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Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 11:09AM


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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Date: December 28, 2011 11:14AM

You are playing a video from Rachel Maddow? This is a joke, right?

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 11:20AM

Wow. She doesn't stretch the truth at all. She even uses McDonnell's direct quotes then completely twists and turns them into something they were not. At first I didn't think that anyone was supid enough to fall for this BS, but you posted this video. I assume you are that stupid. Oh, and BOB Bolling? She can't even get her names right. This woman is a train wreck and you cling to her every word.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 11:28AM

facts matter Wrote:
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At first I didn't think that
> anyone was supid enough to fall for this BS,


Supid?

There are at least nine people running in the Republican primary, but only two of them are on the ballot in Virginia. How can anyone in their right mind, including our governor, not condemn a system that has produced this result?

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: bobafeet ()
Date: December 28, 2011 11:32AM

a system that has been in effect for how many years? get a clue rake

dumbass newt used to live in VA and knows the rules

its up to each state to have its own rules-oh wait a minute that doesn't suit you in this case

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 11:38AM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> facts matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> At first I didn't think that
> > anyone was supid enough to fall for this BS,
>
>
> Supid?
>
> There are at least nine people running in the
> Republican primary, but only two of them are on
> the ballot in Virginia. How can anyone in their
> right mind, including our governor, not condemn a
> system that has produced this result?

Oh, you got me on a typo. Now let's see if you can think critically beyond what Rachel has spoon fed you. Tell us how the Osborne case impacted this process. Why are you blaming the GOP. The past two governors were Democrats and the Democrats have had control of the Senate for years. They did nothing to change the law.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Date: December 28, 2011 11:40AM

How come no one is stating the obvious? The people of VA simply aren't interested in Newt, at least not enough people to get him on the ballot. The system works.

Its not like this is a new system, VA has been using it for years. Now all of a sudden its "broken" because a bunch of 3rd rate candidates can't round up enough signatures?

Give me a freakin' break.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: jhey ()
Date: December 28, 2011 11:58AM

And now Perry is suing to get on the ballot:

http://www.aim.org/newswire/perry-sues-to-get-on-virginia-2012-ballot/

Refusing to abide by the rules, then demanding a government handout when things don't go your way... hmm, where have I heard this before?

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:11PM

facts matter Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > facts matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > At first I didn't think that
> > > anyone was supid enough to fall for this BS,
> >
> >
> > Supid?
> >
> > There are at least nine people running in the
> > Republican primary, but only two of them are on
> > the ballot in Virginia. How can anyone in their
> > right mind, including our governor, not condemn
> a
> > system that has produced this result?
>
> Oh, you got me on a typo. Now let's see if you
> can think critically beyond what Rachel has spoon
> fed you. Tell us how the Osborne case impacted
> this process. Why are you blaming the GOP. [sic] The
> past two governors were Democrats and the
> Democrats have had control of the Senate for
> years. They did nothing to change the law.


From what I understand, Rick Perry’s suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond, contends that the state Republican chairman and members of the State Board of Elections violated Perry’s constitutional rights by enforcing state requirements for the gathering of signatures. Similar “requirements” have been shut down by the courts as being unconstitutional, and Virginia leaders don’t seem to be concerned with the constitutionality of the “requirements.”

That is not my claim, that is the "guvner" of Texas. The system is broken, and many in Richmond feel fine about it. My disgust is at a system that produced this flawed result, and few leaders are willing to indentify a real problem and try and rationally fix it.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:15PM

The Ghost of Justin Wolfe Wrote:
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> How come no one is stating the obvious? The
> people of VA simply aren't interested in Newt, at
> least not enough people to get him on the ballot.
> The system works.

Not one ballot in Virginia has been cast, so this assertion of low interest in Newt is conspicuous.

At best, only 20% of the candidates qualified for the ballot. There is a real problem here.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2011 12:16PM by FUNdamental.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:22PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> The Ghost of Justin Wolfe Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How come no one is stating the obvious? The
> > people of VA simply aren't interested in Newt,
> at
> > least not enough people to get him on the
> ballot.
> > The system works.
>
> Not one ballot in Virginia has been cast, so this
> assertion of low interest in Newt is conspicuous.

There are approximately 8.1 million peopl in Virginia. In 2008, John McCain received 1.7 million votes. Newt Gingrich couldn't get 10000 of those McCain voters or .05% of them.

> At best, only 20% of the candidates qualified for
> the ballot. There is a real problem here.


A problem ignored by Tim Kaine and Mark Warner for eight years.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:26PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> facts matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > facts matter Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > At first I didn't think that
> > > > anyone was supid enough to fall for this
> BS,
> > >
> > >
> > > Supid?
> > >
> > > There are at least nine people running in the
> > > Republican primary, but only two of them are
> on
> > > the ballot in Virginia. How can anyone in
> their
> > > right mind, including our governor, not
> condemn
> > a
> > > system that has produced this result?
> >
> > Oh, you got me on a typo. Now let's see if you
> > can think critically beyond what Rachel has
> spoon
> > fed you. Tell us how the Osborne case impacted
> > this process. Why are you blaming the GOP.
> The
> > past two governors were Democrats and the
> > Democrats have had control of the Senate for
> > years. They did nothing to change the law.
>
>
> From what I understand, Rick Perry’s suit,
> filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond, contends
> that the state Republican chairman and members of
> the State Board of Elections violated Perry’s
> constitutional rights by enforcing state
> requirements for the gathering of signatures.
> Similar “requirements” have been shut down by
> the courts as being unconstitutional, and
> Virginia leaders don’t seem to be concerned with
> the constitutionality of the “requirements.”
>
>
> That is not my claim, that is the "guvner" of
> Texas. The system is broken, and many in Richmond
> feel fine about it. My disgust is at a system
> that produced this flawed result, and few leaders
> are willing to indentify a real problem and try
> and rationally fix it.


OK. Nice longwinded post, but it didn't address a single issue presented to you. The governor from Texas and Newt Gingrich should have know the rules and followed them. Also, you can't expect to be taken seriously when you started this thread with a segment that was factually and legally inaccurate.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:29PM

The Ghost of Justin Wolfe Wrote:
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> How come no one is stating the obvious? The
> people of VA simply aren't interested in Newt, at
> least not enough people to get him on the ballot.
> The system works.
>
> Its not like this is a new system, VA has been
> using it for years. Now all of a sudden its
> "broken" because a bunch of 3rd rate candidates
> can't round up enough signatures?
>
> Give me a freakin' break.

Though I for sure would want as many of The Imploding Party's candidates on the ballot (since I actually DO believe in the whole voting thang...), I don't see anything at all wrong about this particular set of rules.

That is to say, at least 10,000 valid signatures and 400 of those signatures must be spread around to each of the 11 voting districts.

This winnows out the "for show" candidates nicely while givng anyone with a chance...a chance.

W.r.t. the video above, I think she's WAY off base w.r.t. the Governor and what he can/is/is not doing in this matter though what she says about his wanting to be VP is spot on. Perhaps - just perhaps - he's not putting overt effort into it due to this, but I don't think he can do anything anyway, certainly not short term.

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From another poster:

> At best, only 20% of the candidates qualified for the ballot. There
> is a real problem here.

Yes, the problem here is NONE of those "candidates" are real - they are totally Media creations with essentially no qualifications at all.

NOT being on the ballot means they couldn't organize a campaign properly (in this state) or couldn't get out THEIR vote (or both!). EITHER reason is good enough for me to say "Buh bye, chump!".

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Undisputed FACT ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:30PM

facts matter Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > facts matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > facts matter Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > At first I didn't think that
> > > > > anyone was supid enough to fall for this
> > BS,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Supid?
> > > >
> > > > There are at least nine people running in
> the
> > > > Republican primary, but only two of them
> are
> > on
> > > > the ballot in Virginia. How can anyone in
> > their
> > > > right mind, including our governor, not
> > condemn
> > > a
> > > > system that has produced this result?
> > >
> > > Oh, you got me on a typo. Now let's see if
> you
> > > can think critically beyond what Rachel has
> > spoon
> > > fed you. Tell us how the Osborne case
> impacted
> > > this process. Why are you blaming the GOP.
> > The
> > > past two governors were Democrats and the
> > > Democrats have had control of the Senate for
> > > years. They did nothing to change the law.
> >
> >
> > From what I understand, Rick Perry’s suit,
> > filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond,
> contends
> > that the state Republican chairman and members
> of
> > the State Board of Elections violated Perry’s
> > constitutional rights by enforcing state
> > requirements for the gathering of signatures.
> > Similar “requirements” have been shut down
> by
> > the courts as being unconstitutional, and
> > Virginia leaders don’t seem to be concerned
> with
> > the constitutionality of the “requirements.”
>
> >
> >
> > That is not my claim, that is the "guvner" of
> > Texas. The system is broken, and many in
> Richmond
> > feel fine about it. My disgust is at a system
> > that produced this flawed result, and few
> leaders
> > are willing to indentify a real problem and try
> > and rationally fix it.
>
>
> OK. Nice longwinded post, but it didn't address a
> single issue presented to you. The governor from
> Texas and Newt Gingrich should have know the rules
> and followed them. Also, you can't expect to be
> taken seriously when you started this thread with
> a segment that was factually and legally
> inaccurate.


According to Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney is "the second most dangerous man in America".

That says it all right there.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Cindy F ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:32PM

While I do not like Rachel Maddow, unfortunately her show is fact and Republicans are making a joke of the party.

What the hell is with ONLY... ONLY Mitt Romney and Ron Paul being on the VA Republican ballot. That's just bat shit crazy!

Now the Republican party is suing itself???? That's even more bat shit crazy.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:36PM

Undisputed FACT Wrote:
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> According to Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney is "the
> second most dangerous man in America".
>
> That says it all right there.


Two problems.

First, Gingrich never said that and you will have an impossible time trying to prove he did. Why? Because he never made such a statement.

Second, for that to have any significance, you would have to agree to who is condidered the MOST dangerous man in America.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 12:41PM

Cindy F Wrote:
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> While I do not like Rachel Maddow, unfortunately
> her show is fact and Republicans are making a joke
> of the party.

You actually do like Rachel Maddow, but you think that by saying you don't will somehow lend credibility to your weak contention. Is the Lt. Governor Bob Bolling? No? She clearly twisted and turned Gov. McDonnell's words despite the fact she actually put them on the screen. She either has trouble understanding the English language or was making non-factual statements.

> What the hell is with ONLY... ONLY Mitt Romney and
> Ron Paul being on the VA Republican ballot.
> That's just bat shit crazy!

Hmm. You tend to like using that term no matter what name you post under. It is called rules and laws. They are there to be followed. If you don't like them, change them. The past two Democratic Governors seemed fine with those laws.

> Now the Republican party is suing itself????
> That's even more bat shit crazy.

You really don't understand this whole thing do you? (Don't even try to pretend you do. Your ignorance has been on full display here).

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: December 28, 2011 01:02PM

facts matter Wrote:
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> First, Gingrich never said that and you will have
> an impossible time trying to prove he did. Why?
> Because he never made such a statement.

This is true.

A Political Action Committee that supports and has the support of Newt Gingrich said it coincidentally to the time when Newt Gingrich complained about Romney's Political Action Committee saying negative things about Gingrich.

But Gingrich himself didn't say it.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 28, 2011 01:07PM

I do think Virginia's rules for getting on the ballot are a bit much. Any candidate who can gather EITHER 10,000 voter signatures OR 400 voter signatures in each of the 11 districts should be considered serious enough to be put on the ballot.

HOWEVER

These rules aren't a surprise, and it isn't like someone was denied the opportunity to be on the ballot due to some hyper-strict interpretation of the rules (such as happened in Maryland recently). What this tells me then is that either some of these candidates don't have sufficiently organized campaigns so that they can find out what the rules are, or they didn't care enough about Virginia to put in the effort required to get on the ballot. Either way it doesn't make these omitted candidates look too good.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: The GOP Delusion ()
Date: December 28, 2011 01:08PM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> facts matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First, Gingrich never said that and you will
> have
> > an impossible time trying to prove he did. Why?
>
> > Because he never made such a statement.
>
> This is true.
>
> A Political Action Committee that supports and has
> the support of Newt Gingrich said it
> coincidentally to the time when Newt Gingrich
> complained about Romney's Political Action
> Committee saying negative things about Gingrich.
>
> But Gingrich himself didn't say it.


Newt Gingrich thinks the president is an African tribesman.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: 2 b fair ()
Date: December 28, 2011 01:15PM

The GOP Delusion Wrote:
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> 4 more years, II Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > facts matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > First, Gingrich never said that and you will
> > have
> > > an impossible time trying to prove he did.
> Why?
> >
> > > Because he never made such a statement.
> >
> > This is true.
> >
> > A Political Action Committee that supports and
> has
> > the support of Newt Gingrich said it
> > coincidentally to the time when Newt Gingrich
> > complained about Romney's Political Action
> > Committee saying negative things about
> Gingrich.
> >
> > But Gingrich himself didn't say it.
>
>
> Newt Gingrich thinks the president is an African
> tribesman.


Why would he ever think that?

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: it doesnt matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 02:00PM

The Ghost of Justin Wolfe Wrote:
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> How come no one is stating the obvious?

Fine ill state the obvious. The obvious is that the VA primary doesnt really matter very much. Its not a big one. Its not an influential one. Its not a necessity to win the nomination.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: SarahPalin2012 ()
Date: December 28, 2011 02:10PM

it doesnt matter Wrote:
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> The Ghost of Justin Wolfe Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How come no one is stating the obvious?
>
> Fine ill state the obvious. The obvious is that
> the VA primary doesnt really matter very much.
> Its not a big one. Its not an influential one.
> Its not a necessity to win the nomination.

It may only be 50 votes out of 1044 but why give the votes away. That could be a costly mistake in a close battle. At least get your name on the ballot even if you don't plan on campaigning heavily.

Stupid mistakes like this are making a joke out the Republican candidates.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Gutty ()
Date: December 28, 2011 02:12PM

And that affirmative action ignorant chimp in the WH has made a joke out of American politics.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Every Poster In This Thread ()
Date: December 28, 2011 02:27PM

People who disagree with my opinions?!? Impossible!!!

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: it doent matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 02:28PM

SarahPalin2012 Wrote:

> It may only be 50 votes out of 1044 but why give
> the votes away. That could be a costly mistake in
> a close battle. At least get your name on the
> ballot even if you don't plan on campaigning
> heavily.
>
> Stupid mistakes like this are making a joke out
> the Republican candidates.


Not at all. Every state has their favorites in the primaries. No point in wasting time or money on a state you wont win when its a meaningless one like VA for a primary. Every candidate always has states they just ignore and pass up especially in the early stages. It doesnt matter right now. Once it gets down to two candidates thats when its important to get on every ballot

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 02:47PM

it doent matter Wrote:
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> SarahPalin2012 Wrote:
>
> > It may only be 50 votes out of 1044 but why
> give
> > the votes away. That could be a costly mistake
> in
> > a close battle. At least get your name on the
> > ballot even if you don't plan on campaigning
> > heavily.
> >
> > Stupid mistakes like this are making a joke out
> > the Republican candidates.
>
>
> Not at all. Every state has their favorites in
> the primaries. No point in wasting time or money
> on a state you wont win when its a meaningless one
> like VA for a primary. Every candidate always has
> states they just ignore and pass up especially in
> the early stages. It doesnt matter right now.
> Once it gets down to two candidates thats when its
> important to get on every ballot


So, what you are saying to the people of Virginia is "go along with the status quo, your vote really doesn't count anyway."

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: doesnt matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 02:54PM

FUNdamental Wrote:

> So, what you are saying to the people of Virginia
> is "go along with the status quo, your vote really
> doesn't count anyway."


Its a primary like 8 percent of voters are going to vote in it anyway. Any no their vote doesnt really count in this particular instance but you think Rachael Maddow is actually news so I know it could be hard to understand

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:22PM

doesnt matter Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
>
> > So, what you are saying to the people of
> Virginia
> > is "go along with the status quo, your vote
> really
> > doesn't count anyway."
>
>
> Its [sic] a primary [sic] like 8 [sic] percent of voters are going
> to vote in it anyway. Any [sic] no [sic] their vote doesnt [sic]
> really count in this particular instance [sic] but you
> think Rachael [sic] Maddow is actually news so [sic] I know it
> could be hard to understand [sic]

Rachel Maddow is not actually news, Rachael Maddow presents news and commentary. The rest of your diatribe I really do not understand.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: doesnt matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:29PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Rachel Maddow is not actually news, Rachael Maddow
> presents news and commentary. The rest of your
> diatribe I really do not understand.


Calling what she presents news is a long stretch.

Nothing what I said was hard to understand. You asked if I was saying primary voters in VA votes dont matter. I responded and said no they dont matter. VA doesnt have a lot of primary votes and very few people from VA will vote in the primary. Of registered voters maybe like 8 percent of those that are eligable for the primary voting will vote. Losing VA will by no means cost you a nomination if your shinning elsewhere

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:37PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> doesnt matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> > > So, what you are saying to the people of
> > Virginia
> > > is "go along with the status quo, your vote
> > really
> > > doesn't count anyway."
> >
> >
> > Its a primary like 8 percent of voters are
> going
> > to vote in it anyway. Any no their vote
> doesnt
> > really count in this particular instance but
> you
> > think Rachael Maddow is actually news so I
> know it
> > could be hard to understand
>
> Rachel Maddow is not actually news, Rachael Maddow
> presents news and commentary. The rest of your
> diatribe I really do not understand.


True, but you treated her insanity as fact. She clearly stretched the truth by mangling Gov. McDonnells words. She clearly does not know the name of the Lt. Gov. She clearly does not know how election laws function in VA. There was no news, just ininformed commentary.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Rachel is a joke ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:43PM

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> You are playing a video from Rachel Maddow? This
> is a joke, right?


No shit man

Rachel Maddow is a joke. On her commercials she claims social security isn't a ponzi scheme. HAHAHA

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:43PM

doesnt matter Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> \
> > Rachel Maddow is not actually news, Rachael
> Maddow
> > presents news and commentary. The rest of your
> > diatribe I really do not understand.
>
>
> Calling what she presents news is a long stretch.
>
> Nothing what I said was hard to understand. You
> asked if I was saying primary voters in VA votes
> dont matter. I responded and said no they dont
> matter. VA doesnt have a lot of primary votes and
> very few people from VA will vote in the primary.
> Of registered voters maybe like 8 percent of those
> that are eligable for the primary voting will
> vote. Losing VA will by no means cost you a
> nomination if your shinning elsewhere

In other words, "nothing to see here; just go away and let us do our business."

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Rachel is a joke ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:45PM

If you guys spent half the time actually collecting signatures than you did on FFX underground, maybe you could get your favorite candidate on the ballot.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:45PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> doesnt matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > \
> > > Rachel Maddow is not actually news, Rachael
> > Maddow
> > > presents news and commentary. The rest of
> your
> > > diatribe I really do not understand.
> >
> >
> > Calling what she presents news is a long
> stretch.
> >
> > Nothing what I said was hard to understand.
> You
> > asked if I was saying primary voters in VA
> votes
> > dont matter. I responded and said no they dont
> > matter. VA doesnt have a lot of primary votes
> and
> > very few people from VA will vote in the
> primary.
> > Of registered voters maybe like 8 percent of
> those
> > that are eligable for the primary voting will
> > vote. Losing VA will by no means cost you a
> > nomination if your shinning elsewhere
>
> In other words, "nothing to see here; just go away
> and let us do our business."


Well, to be fair, it is a better notion that believing the lies that Rachel Maddow spouted.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:47PM

facts matter Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > doesnt matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, what you are saying to the people of
> > > Virginia
> > > > is "go along with the status quo, your vote
> > > really
> > > > doesn't count anyway."
> > >
> > >
> > > Its a primary like 8 percent of voters are
> > going
> > > to vote in it anyway. Any no their vote
> > doesnt
> > > really count in this particular instance but
> > you
> > > think Rachael Maddow is actually news so I
> > know it
> > > could be hard to understand
> >
> > Rachel Maddow is not actually news, Rachael
> Maddow
> > presents news and commentary. The rest of your
> > diatribe I really do not understand.
>
>
> True, but you treated her insanity as fact. She
> clearly stretched the truth by mangling Gov.
> McDonnells [sic] words. She clearly does not know the
> name of the Lt. Gov. She clearly does not know how
> election laws function in VA. There was no news,
> just ininformed [sic] commentary.

Did we take AP English together?

Didn't think so.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: SSLesson ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:47PM

Rachel is a joke Wrote:
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> Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are playing a video from Rachel Maddow?
> This
> > is a joke, right?
>
>
> No shit man
>
> Rachel Maddow is a joke. On her commercials she
> claims social security isn't a ponzi scheme.
> HAHAHA

You obvious don't understand how the SS system works. Ponzi is taking the money one person puts in and giving it to another. In SS you pay into SS and then you get that money back when you reach 65 with interest. It's nothing more than a forced saving\retirement plan. It had to be put in place because Americans were spending all their income and not saving for retirement.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: not even close ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:52PM

SSLesson Wrote:
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> Rachel is a joke Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You are playing a video from Rachel Maddow?
> > This
> > > is a joke, right?
> >
> >
> > No shit man
> >
> > Rachel Maddow is a joke. On her commercials she
> > claims social security isn't a ponzi scheme.
> > HAHAHA
>
> You obvious don't understand how the SS system
> works. Ponzi is taking the money one person puts
> in and giving it to another. In SS you pay into
> SS and then you get that money back when you reach
> 65 with interest. It's nothing more than a forced
> saving\retirement plan. It had to be put in place
> because Americans were spending all their income
> and not saving for retirement.

Given the retirement age, the maximum social secutity payment level, my career earnings, and my expected life expectancy, I will not receive anywhere near what I put into the system.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yes it is ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:53PM

SSLesson Wrote:
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> You obvious don't understand how the SS system
> works. Ponzi is taking the money one person puts
> in and giving it to another. In SS you pay into
> SS and then you get that money back when you reach
> 65 with interest. It's nothing more than a forced
> saving\retirement plan. It had to be put in place
> because Americans were spending all their income
> and not saving for retirement.

Actually you dont understand how SS works. You dont get your money back you get the money back from people who are currently paying into it. You also dont get your money back with interest. You get about 70 cents for every dollar you put into it.

They dont take your money and create a special account for you to grow interest then return it. It all gets lumped together. It is 100 percent a ponzi scheme whether or not its necessary but it is a ponzi scheme by definition and that cannot be argued.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Freedom ()
Date: December 28, 2011 04:59PM

yes it is Wrote:
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It is 100 percent a
> ponzi scheme whether or not its necessary but it
> is a ponzi scheme by definition and that cannot be
> argued.

Sorry, but you have been listening to FOX News and it poisoning your mind.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yes it is ()
Date: December 28, 2011 05:10PM

Freedom Wrote:

> Sorry, but you have been listening to FOX News and
> it poisoning your mind.


If by fox news you mean facts then yes. You cant argue it is a ponzi scheme, a ponzi scheme is paying people with other peoples money. Thats exactly what SS does. You cant argue it. The fact you are even trying to argue that fact just shows how brainwashes you are by your ideology. Im glad facts dont matter in your world.

Ill wait till you can find a talking points memo to try and defend that since the truth doesnt matter. If you really think that the government takes every dollar you give and makes an individual account for you and will only use that money to pay you back you live in a fantasy world

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Stop making excuses ()
Date: December 28, 2011 05:19PM

Gingrich and Perry essentially sit atop a multi-million dollar machine with professional staff. Every four years, a candidate will have to deal with VA's ballot rules, and it seems like most of the serious ones get the job done. These two clowns dropped the ball and now Perry is suing? You have got to be joking.

The same guy who threatens to remove "activist judges" by any means necessary now is asking a federal judge in Richmond to be "activist" and change a rule that previous candidates have managed to abide by, including two of his rivals. Heck Ron Paul probably has less resources and pulled it off. What a fraud Perry is. Another empty suit with a bolo tie.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamentalRetard ()
Date: December 28, 2011 05:24PM

Guys, I took AP English. I know what I'm talking about.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Arrogant Kenyan ()
Date: December 28, 2011 06:03PM

Three Letter Word Assholes..... J.O.B.S.

edit by Cary: Gigantic 14 meg image (polls_Obama_2BThe_2BSnake_2BOil_2BSalesman_2B_4948_945794_poll_xlarge.png) removed as it contributed nothing to the thread.



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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: back to ()
Date: December 28, 2011 06:58PM

Pretty sure the rules for VA's Republican Primary are established by the VA Republican Party, not the VA Elections Board. So,let's sue ourselves. Geez, we're smart (in keeping with some of our candidates' intelligence levels).

I think we are going to lose.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: one difference ()
Date: December 28, 2011 07:14PM

Stop making excuses Wrote:
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> Gingrich and Perry essentially sit atop a
> multi-million dollar machine with professional
> staff. Every four years, a candidate will have to
> deal with VA's ballot rules, and it seems like
> most of the serious ones get the job done.

Except for the fact that VA changed their rules drastically in November of this year. Had the same rules been in place for years and they messed up I would agree with what you were saying. In the end though its not that important of a primary

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: December 28, 2011 08:40PM

Honestly, I can't see how anybody watches Maddow's show. It's completely unwatchable. It's not fun, it's not funny. I at least give her credit for being educated, but she's simply not a good presenter. Honestly, after 2 PM, MSNBC goes down the toilet. Before that, it's great.

On to the point: the rules did not change in November. They changed in October, and all of the presidential campaigns were given the same information: any campaign that turned in 15,000/600 per Congressional district facially valid signatures would be deemed to have complied with the statutory 10,000/400 signature requirement. If they turned in less than 15k, their petitions would be checked line-by-line. In past experience, no campaign since 2000 has turned in less than 15k signatures by the deadline.

Only one campaign turned in more than 15k, Mitt Romney's. They turned in over 16,000. They were out in force at nearly every Republican event here in Fairfax over the summer, and I signed a petition for them.

Ron Paul came next, got just under 15,000, and all of his petitions were checked. It took 7 hours, and he had enough signatures to make it on the ballot. This was confirmed and he was certified. I also signed a Paul petition, and his petition circulators were out in force on Election Day - I stood with one at the Sideburn precinct polling place.

Newt turned in around 11k, and of those, more than 2k were disqualified because they didn't even have addresses (according to folks who were there). It's impossible to verify a signature without an address unless they put the last four digits of their SSN, which is doubtful if they didn't even put on an address. Newt has since claimed that 1500 of those signatures were fradulently obtained by someone they paid and that's why he didn't get on the ballot. He's ridiculous.

According to press reports, Perry turned in around 12k, but the lawsuit he filed against RPV said he only turned in 6k. His suit is not claiming that the signature requirements are too high, he's arguing that requiring petition collectors to be registered voters or qualified to vote in Virginia is unconstitutional. I've read the suit and I don't think it's got much of a chance because there's not enough time to get it through the courts before the ballots have to be printed. And I don't think it's clear he will win on the merits, which is an element in seeking an injunction.

The signature requirements - 10k from the whole Commonwealth, and of those 10k, 400 from each Congressional District - have been in the law since 1999. They're not Republican Party rules, they're state rules. The Democrats do it differently than we do because the DNC party plan has different requirements than the RNC plan. But needless to say, all of the candidates had knew the rules, knew what they needed to do and only two of them did it.

That's not Virginia's fault. It's not the Republican Party of Virginia's fault. It's the individual campaign's fault. If you don't like that your pet candidate didn't make it on the ballot, blame them.

Gingrich's even more egregious because the guy lives in McLean. He's a Virginian. This is his home state. He should have known better.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Newted ()
Date: December 28, 2011 10:42PM

Gingrich made a huge error. I don't think Newt really has much of chance in the long run. Obama is setting up Romney to battle against. Romney has more baggage and healthcare can't really be brought in the battle because RomneyCare.

Take out healthcare the issues are jobs and the economy, but both of those are turning around and improving. Hell even the housing market is improving.

Debt, well Bush created that fiasco and Congress can't figure out a solution.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: not quite ()
Date: December 28, 2011 11:32PM

Newted Wrote:
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> Gingrich made a huge error. I don't think Newt
> really has much of chance in the long run. Obama
> is setting up Romney to battle against. Romney has
> more baggage and healthcare can't really be
> brought in the battle because RomneyCare.
>
> Take out healthcare the issues are jobs and the
> economy, but both of those are turning around and
> improving. Hell even the housing market is
> improving.
>
> Debt, well Bush created that fiasco and Congress
> can't figure out a solution.


Your right about Romney more than likely being the nomination unless Christie jumps in but thats about it.

Mitt can absolutely bring up health care. Yes he did it in Mass but that was that states choice. Republicans arent against a health care reform its against ALL of the states being forced to do it under one plan. Im not a huge fan of the Mass plan but it is cheaper than Obamacare and at the very least that should be up to each individual state.

Jobs havent gotten better. Christmas has the highest temporary workforce by far during the year which accounted for some of the lower numbers and people stopped looking for work during the holidays as well. Itll be right back up in a month or two. The economy isnt getting better either theres massive budget cuts going on across the board.

As far as the debt in 8 years Bush added 4 trillion to the debt as it went from 5 trillion to 9 trillion. In less than 3 years Obama has pushed the debt from 9 trillion to 15.9 trillion and in a couple days we will hit that mark again and hes preparing to ask to have the debt celling raised again. In under 3 years hes added more to the debt than 8 years of Bush and the blame Bush for everything tactic just shows that Obama cannot be defended on what hes accomplished.

Keep in mind this is before Obamacare even kicks in which will be another 2 trillion and he still have a full year left as president. By the end of his first term its very likely he will have added more debt THAN EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT COMBINED.

If he keeps up the current pace of 2.25 trillion a year by the end of his first term hell have added 9.25 trillion which would be more than double what he started with. Hell even if you add just 1 trillion for obamacare hes tacked on over 10 trillion in his first term. Another 4 years of that and well be sitting around 30 trillion and starting to look like Greece except our debt will be to large for anyone to be able to bail us out. After what his spending policies have done we realistically wont ever see a debt under 10 trillion again in anyones lifetime that alive right now if ever.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Thucydides ()
Date: December 29, 2011 12:41AM

Newt's got a better shot at the nomination than Schoeneman had/has winning election in Fairfax County.

And yes, Romney was out in force all summer long, but then again he has been running for office for 6 years.

As for the claim that Newt and Perry are sitting on huge sums of money, Perry may be, but he and Newt have far fewer resources than Mittens and Uncle Paul.

As for the assertion that these rules have been in place for a long time, yes - since 1999, which means they have come into play only twice before - the 2000 primary and the 2008 primary and in neither instance was the level of scrutiny as high as this year.

And finally, if the RPV raised the level of scrutiny due to concerns from a lawsuit, then I don't see how deeming 15k as sufficient as being different in any way from what has been asserted in the O'Brien lawsuit.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 29, 2011 09:16AM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> facts matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > doesnt matter Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So, what you are saying to the people of
> > > > Virginia
> > > > > is "go along with the status quo, your
> vote
> > > > really
> > > > > doesn't count anyway."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Its a primary like 8 percent of voters
> are
> > > going
> > > > to vote in it anyway. Any no their vote
> > > doesnt
> > > > really count in this particular instance
> but
> > > you
> > > > think Rachael Maddow is actually news so
> I
> > > know it
> > > > could be hard to understand
> > >
> > > Rachel Maddow is not actually news, Rachael
> > Maddow
> > > presents news and commentary. The rest of
> your
> > > diatribe I really do not understand.
> >
> >
> > True, but you treated her insanity as fact.
> She
> > clearly stretched the truth by mangling Gov.
> > McDonnells words. She clearly does not know
> the
> > name of the Lt. Gov. She clearly does not know
> how
> > election laws function in VA. There was no
> news,
> > just ininformed commentary.
>
> Did we take AP English together?
>
> Didn't think so.


If you think her ramblings count as "news," I doubt you graduated high school. Interesting that your inability to address the argument at hand has forced you to pick up on typos. If only you picked up on the numerous errors in Ms. Maddow's "news," you might be better off.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Just the fax ma'am ()
Date: December 29, 2011 09:21AM

Maddow is a typical left wing liar.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: December 29, 2011 10:02AM

Thucydides, I think my chances are a lot higher than Gingrich - I actually got on the ballot.

Newt has been in the race the second longest of all of the candidates (only Gary Johnson was in before him), since May. He had no excuse to not get his ducks in a row. Maybe instead of taking his wife on the Greek vacation or wasting all of his money on staff that he fires a month later he'd spent it on petition circulators, he wouldn't be in this position.

Perry raised $17 million through October. He had plenty of money. Gingrich is broke, but he's also not fundraising. That's his own fault.

The 1999 rules applied to both Republicans and Democrats, so there were four separate primaries, two Republican and two Democrat, that were held under them and there were no issues. DNC rules are different so Democratic candidates get more support from the party, but the bottom line is they all made it on just fine.

I don't think the O'Brien lawsuit had anything to do with any of this - why a suit against a local unit would impact RPV's process doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And no one has mentioned the O'Brien suit other than a handful of bloggers.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Factually Incorrect ()
Date: December 29, 2011 11:42AM

Just the fax ma'am Wrote:
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> Maddow is a typical left wing liar.

What did she lie about?

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 29, 2011 11:46AM

Factually Incorrect Wrote:
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> Just the fax ma'am Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maddow is a typical left wing liar.
>
> What did she lie about?


Are you having trouble keeping up with the thread? What is the name of VA's LT. Gov.? Bob McDonnell never actively campaigned to be anyone's VP, yet she made it seem so. You know what, nevermind, go ahead and keep hanging on her every word. You are as retarded as those idiots that cling to Hannity or Beck. Same stupidity, different side of a coin. I feel bad that your parents and our educational system failed so miserably that you can't think for yourself.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: The Other Guy ()
Date: December 29, 2011 12:06PM

'Ol Newt & Calista were enjoying a leisurely joint national book tour masquerading as a Repug. presidential campaign up until December 1 or so. Newt had been bouncing along at 5 – 8% in the polls for many months and held no illusion that his “campaign” would amount to a hill o’ beans. So, why not turn every “campaign” stop into a book signing for either Newt or Calista (or both)? Might as well make a few shekels as long as we’re out here “campaigning”, right? Certainly, if your main interest is signing books, you don’t need all the various & sundry accoutrement of a real presidential campaign, like fundraising, staff, strategists, media buys, etc. So, Newt had/has none of that. Not only did he fail to get on the ballot in VA, he failed to field a full slate of delegates in NH.

Really, the GOP’tard field is a complete joke. Christie, Jeb, or anyone else w/serious future presidential ambitions would be foolish to try and make a move now.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“Wall Street is typically thought of as investment banking
and banking and we were not an investment bank or a bank.
But we were in the financial services sector generally,"
Romney said. "I am not a Wall Street guy, classically
defined.” - Willard "Mitt" Romney, December 29, 2011.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Factually Incorrect ()
Date: December 29, 2011 12:22PM

facts matter Wrote:
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> Are you having trouble keeping up with the thread?

No. Are you?

> What is the name of VA's LT. Gov.?

Calling him 'Bob' rather than 'Bill' is a mistake, not a lie. Douche.

> Bob McDonnell never actively campaigned to be anyone's
> VP, yet she made it seem so.

Hmmm... Did you read Bobby Mac's ‘demurrals’? Pathetic.
He wants a date for the prom BADLY. You’re just too deluded
to see it. Then again, you’re a rightwing nutjob, too, so your
delusion is understandable.

> You know what, nevermind, go ahead and keep hanging on
> her every word.

She’s VERY smart and insightful and she make a lot of sense.
That’s WAY more than can be said of Murdock’s puppets over
on FAUX SPEWS.

> I feel bad that your parents and our educational system failed
> so miserably that you can't think for yourself.

That’d REALLY funny, because we both know that,
as a rightwing nutjob, you are devoid of any ‘feelings’
at all. Oh, and you should keep that ‘think-for-yourself’
comment in mind the next time you look in the mirror.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: facts matter ()
Date: December 29, 2011 12:58PM

Ooh, fun. Looks like I got you all worked up and frazzled. Look how many words you skipped over completely in your response. Completely hilarious. I love poking a weasel's eyes.

Factually Incorrect Wrote:
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> facts matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Are you having trouble keeping up with the
> thread?
>
> No. Are you?

You apparently are as further evidenced by your follow-up post.

> > What is the name of VA's LT. Gov.?
>
> Calling him 'Bob' rather than 'Bill' is a mistake,
> not a lie. Douche.

Sure. When George W. Bush or Rick Perry mispronounce a name of forget one it is because they are bumbling idiots. When Rachel Maddow does it, it is a "mistake." While it may not be a lie, it shows that she was unprepared and ill informed on the matter. She compromised the truth for her hastily devised premise. She devised her illogical premise and twisted facts and circumstances around her preconcieved notions.

> > Bob McDonnell never actively campaigned to be
> anyone's
> > VP, yet she made it seem so.
>
> Hmmm... Did you read Bobby Mac's ‘demurrals’?
> Pathetic.
> He wants a date for the prom BADLY. You’re just
> too deluded
> to see it. Then again, you’re a rightwing
> nutjob, too, so your
> delusion is understandable.

Rightwing nutjob? Further evidence of how brainwashed you are. If someone doesn't agree with you, they MUST be a rightwing nutjob. Your viewpoint is warped by the party you have sworn allegiance to no matter how wrong they are. In that regard, you are no better than those you demonize.

As for Gov. McDonnell's statements, you would rather take Ms. Maddow's interpretation and twisting of those words than the words themselves. Further evidece you either can't or won't think for yourself. You'd rather leave it to some talking head or political party.

> > You know what, nevermind, go ahead and keep
> hanging on
> > her every word.
>
> She’s VERY smart and insightful and she make a
> lot of sense.
> That’s WAY more than can be said of Murdock’s
> puppets over
> on FAUX SPEWS.

She is no better or worse than the dipshits on Fox. Just like you are no better or worse than the dipshits that watch Fox News. You agree with her because your party tells you to.

> > I feel bad that your parents and our educational
> system failed
> > so miserably that you can't think for yourself.
>
> That’d REALLY funny, because we both know that,
> as a rightwing nutjob, you are devoid of any
> ‘feelings’
> at all. Oh, and you should keep that
> ‘think-for-yourself’
> comment in mind the next time you look in the
> mirror.

Oh, back to the rightwing nutjob rationale. If only it were the case, you might have been close to making a cogent point. You're certainly no thinking man.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Factually Incorrect ()
Date: December 29, 2011 01:33PM

facts matter Wrote:
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> Sure. When George W. Bush or Rick Perry
> mispronounce a name of forget one it is because
> they are bumbling idiots.

Since ‘facts matter’, I’m sure you understand the fact
that Ms. Maddow is a pundit and Bush & Perry elected
officials. I don’t expect them to be held to the same standard.
Do you? Also, I would expect you to have a ready example
of when George W. Bush or Rick Perry were excoriated
for mistakenly referring of someone by an incorrect 1st name.

> While it may not be a lie…

Yes, not a lie. Moving on.

> Rightwing nutjob? Further evidence of how
> brainwashed you are. If someone doesn't agree
> with you, they MUST be a rightwing nutjob.

No, one who calls another, who espouses a progressive
Political point of view, a liar for mistakenly referring to
Bill as Bob is a rightwing nutjob.

> As for Gov. McDonnell's statements, you would
> rather take Ms. Maddow's interpretation and
> twisting of those words than the words themselves.

Ms. Maddow is spot-on in her interpretation of Bobby Mac’s
naked ambition and pleas to be chosen as someone’s
(ANYONE’S!) VP running mate.

> You're certainly no thinking man.

Again, I refer you to a mirror.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: apples vs. oranges ()
Date: December 29, 2011 01:35PM

facts matter Wrote:
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> the dipshits on Fox

Face it, the average FOX News viewer has a low level of education and is usually some dumb white person or religious redneck.

Major major difference

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Factually Incorrect ()
Date: December 29, 2011 01:37PM

apples vs. oranges Wrote:
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> facts matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the dipshits on Fox
>
> Face it, the average FOX News viewer has a low
> level of education and is usually some dumb white
> person or religious redneck.
>
> Major major difference

+1

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: snarlp ()
Date: December 29, 2011 01:42PM

this topic has already been talked about
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/776054.html

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Face it ()
Date: December 29, 2011 01:44PM

Face it, the average MSNBC viewer is some dirty, toothless, illiterate, left-wing radical, some wild- eyed, half crazed Islamic terrorist, or some crack dealin brutha who be watching wif his crack whore ol lady.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth is ()
Date: December 29, 2011 01:54PM

“The extent of Americans’ misinformation varies significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News were three times more likely than viewers of the next nearest network to be misinformed.”

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth of the Matter ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:06PM

"those who received their news information were twenty-two times as likely to be misinformed."

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: More Truth ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:09PM

" ...those who watch MSNBC are 56 times more likely to be unwashed unemployed government cheese parasites..."

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:21PM

Well informed voters (aka, MSNBC viewers) cast
the correct vote. I couldn't care less if they're
"unwashed unemployed government cheese parasites",
as long as they pull the lever that thwarts the
rightwing agenda.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: what just happened? ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:29PM

Factually Incorrect Wrote:
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> apples vs. oranges Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > facts matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > the dipshits on Fox
> >
> > Face it, the average FOX News viewer has a low
> > level of education and is usually some dumb
> white
> > person or religious redneck.
> >
> > Major major difference
>
> +1


Last December, I turned to Fox News while over 100,00 troops were leaving Iraq a few days ahead of schedule. Litterally, truckloads of troops and equipment were driving into a neighboring country. MSNBC was all over it, CBS and NBC interrupted their broadcast with the news. I turned to Fox News, and they were playing a tape of Gretta in Alaska telling us why we needed to drill more in ANWR.

I kid you not, Fox News totally ignored the story when it was happening, and only devoted 16 minutes to it the next day.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: youre right fox viewers have jobs ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:30PM

apples vs. oranges Wrote:
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> facts matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

> Face it, the average FOX News viewer has a low
> level of education and is usually some dumb white
> person or religious redneck.
>
> Major major difference


Your right there is a huge difference. Fox viewers are much more likely to have a job, have beliefs, been in the military, as opposed to the left whose much more likely to be a criminal, do drugs, bitch and whine they want free stuff for nothing, be a part of ows.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:36PM

youre right fox viewers have jobs Wrote:
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> Fox viewers are much more likely to have a job, have
> beliefs, been in the military...

Yep, FAUX SPEWS viewers are used to being told what to
do, think, and believe. Perhaps that's why they're
such easy dupes.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Nab ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:39PM

It's obvious that Fox is the only honest and reliable news source available today. The msnbc viewers get leftover propaganda from the shaggy smelly foaming at the mouth murderous al jazeera religious wackos.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: youre an idiot ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:46PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Yep, FAUX SPEWS viewers are used to being told
> what to
> do, think, and believe. Perhaps that's why
> they're
> such easy dupes.


First of all youre clearly an idiot with your dumb nicknames for everything. Calling stuff names doesnt change the facts. Really conservatives are the dupes ooh okay. Not all the liberals that loves sarah palin when asked what they thought of her when they were told she was Obamas Vp? Not all the people at OWS wanting stuff for free and just doing drugs and raping each other in the mean time?


The fact is without uninformed brainwashed idiots there wouldnt be any liberals in office. Liberals HAVE to have the uninformed stupid voter to win. If minorities every woke up and realized that the liberal policies are designed to give them just enough to keep them in the voting stable but will never actually help them get off of government assistant the left would evaporate. I dont expect you to actually understand anything because I know these facts havent been addressed in the liberal talking points memos yet

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:48PM

Nab Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's obvious that Fox is the only honest and
> reliable news source available today. The msnbc
> viewers get leftover propaganda from the shaggy
> smelly foaming at the mouth murderous al jazeera
> religious wackos.

This tool is Exhibit A: Typical FAUX SPEWS viewer.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:49PM

facts matter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > facts matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > facts matter Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > At first I didn't think that
> > > > > anyone was supid enough to fall for this
> > BS,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Supid?
> > > >
> > > > There are at least nine people running in
> the
> > > > Republican primary, but only two of them
> are
> > on
> > > > the ballot in Virginia. How can anyone in
> > their
> > > > right mind, including our governor, not
> > condemn
> > > a
> > > > system that has produced this result?
> > >
> > > Oh, you got me on a typo. Now let's see if
> you
> > > can think critically beyond what Rachel has
> > spoon
> > > fed you. Tell us how the Osborne case
> impacted
> > > this process. Why are you blaming the GOP.
> > The
> > > past two governors were Democrats and the
> > > Democrats have had control of the Senate for
> > > years. They did nothing to change the law.
> >
> >
> > From what I understand, Rick Perry’s suit,
> > filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond,
> contends
> > that the state Republican chairman and members
> of
> > the State Board of Elections violated Perry’s
> > constitutional rights by enforcing state
> > requirements for the gathering of signatures.
> > Similar “requirements” have been shut down
> by
> > the courts as being unconstitutional, and
> > Virginia leaders don’t seem to be concerned
> with
> > the constitutionality of the “requirements.”
>
> >
> >
> > That is not my claim, that is the "guvner" of
> > Texas. The system is broken, and many in
> Richmond
> > feel fine about it. My disgust is at a system
> > that produced this flawed result, and few
> leaders
> > are willing to indentify a real problem and try
> > and rationally fix it.
>
>
> OK. Nice longwinded post, but it didn't address a
> single issue presented to you. The governor from
> Texas and Newt Gingrich should have know the rules
> and followed them. Also, you can't expect to be
> taken seriously when you started this thread with
> a segment that was factually and legally
> inaccurate.

I just love it when an anonymous poster says sopmething is factually inaccurate then spews some stuff that is not only factually inaccurate i.e. Bob vs Bill, but complete BullShit.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/29/2011 02:55PM by Radiophile.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Barney ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:51PM

Just look at "Truth Be Told". Typical ignorant, illiterate, unwashed, smelly, government cheese parasite. Take a shower asshole.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:54PM

youre an idiot Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> First of all youre clearly an idiot with your dumb
> nicknames for everything. Calling stuff names
> doesnt change the facts. Really conservatives are
> the dupes ooh okay. Not all the liberals that
> loves sarah palin when asked what they thought of
> her when they were told she was Obamas Vp? Not
> all the people at OWS wanting stuff for free and
> just doing drugs and raping each other in the mean
> time?
>
>
> The fact is without uninformed brainwashed idiots
> there wouldnt be any liberals in office. Liberals
> HAVE to have the uninformed stupid voter to win.
> If minorities every woke up and realized that the
> liberal policies are designed to give them just
> enough to keep them in the voting stable but will
> never actually help them get off of government
> assistant the left would evaporate. I dont expect
> you to actually understand anything because I know
> these facts havent been addressed in the liberal
> talking points memos yet

You’re funny, in a sad way, and you use really poor grammar.

Come on back when you are coherent and have something intelligent to say.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: December 29, 2011 02:54PM

youre right fox viewers have jobs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> apples vs. oranges Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > facts matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > Face it, the average FOX News viewer has a low
> > level of education and is usually some dumb
> white
> > person or religious redneck.
> >
> > Major major difference
>
>
> Your right there is a huge difference. Fox
> viewers are much more likely to have a job,

Not really. They are old and timid. C Everett Koop is a revered spokesperson on Fox Commercials and he is old as, well, he is really old.

> have
> beliefs,

Yes in a giant space ghost that always was and they can talk to him, even though it is not a him, and he answers back, usually in a male voice even though the space ghost is not a him.

> been in the military,

UMMMM, and this is provable how? And just cause someone was in the military.... Hitler was a corporal by the way.

> as opposed to the
> left whose much more likely to be a criminal,

Again, source?

> do
> drugs,

Source

> bitch and whine they want free stuff for
> nothing, be a part of ows.

Source?

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: youre right fox viewers have jobs ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:01PM

Radiophile Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> > as opposed to the
> > left whose much more likely to be a criminal,
>
> Again, source?

Crime data bases

> > do
> > drugs,
>
> Source

Crime data bases


>
> > bitch and whine they want free stuff for
> > nothing, be a part of ows.
>
> Source?

OWS camps across the country


Face it the majority of liberals are the bottom of the barrel for society. Why do you think theres so many of them. The overwhelming majority of liberals are criminals, college kids that think they know everything, or people that just want free stuff for nothing, and people that just like manipulating others for their own personal power. It takes a special kind of stupid/white liberal guilt to actually be successful and still be a liberal

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:02PM

Radiophile Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Again, source?

How did the moon get there? Can you explain that to me?

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:04PM

More Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just look at "Truth Be Told". Typical ignorant,
> illiterate, unwashed, smelly, government cheese
> parasite. Take a shower asshole.

This is why the nutjobs always loose: They completely
underestimate their opponents and they 'believe' instead
of 'know'. I am none of those things you believe me to
be, which is why I and my ilk have been able move this
country to the left over the past 100 years without you
nutjobs even noticing until now, when it is far too late
for you to do anything about it.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:07PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:

> You’re funny, in a sad way, and you use really
> poor grammar.
>
> Come on back when you are coherent and have
> something intelligent to say.


Any what you mean by that is that I was right and you have to wait to see how youre told to respond.

There wasnt really poor grammar other than not using apostrophes. I and most other people can see through your BS though. Youre trying to deflect away from the facts since you have no answer.

Pathetic

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:08PM

More Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Face it the majority of liberals are the bottom of
> the barrel for society. Why do you think theres
> so many of them. The overwhelming majority of
> liberals are criminals, college kids that think
> they know everything, or people that just want
> free stuff for nothing, and people that just like
> manipulating others for their own personal power.
> It takes a special kind of stupid/white liberal
> guilt to actually be successful and still be a
> liberal

You’re funny, in a sad way, and you use really poor grammar.

Come on back when you are coherent and have something intelligent to say.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:13PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:

> This is why the nutjobs always loose: They
> completely
> underestimate their opponents and they 'believe'
> instead
> of 'know'. I am none of those things you believe
> me to
> be, which is why I and my ilk have been able move
> this
> country to the left over the past 100 years
> without you
> nutjobs even noticing until now, when it is far
> too late
> for you to do anything about it.


You have nothing to do with the movement and it just shows what a pompous ass your are to think that you have that power or are that important. Its been going left because poor people dont use condoms and the population is shifting making it a sheer numbers game, political correctness is out of control, the media ect ect. The list could go on and on but YOU had nothing to do with it.

What you fail to realize is that the left moving country that your so proud of if it keeps moving that way one day it will get to far and there will be a civil war again. Maybe not in our life time but its entirely possible in our kids lifetime or their kids lifetime. Historically societies have had a civil war about every 200-400 years. Hopefully it never comes to that but thats the path the far left is starting to drag us down

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Burke Curve ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:20PM

facts matter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Factually Incorrect Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just the fax ma'am Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Maddow is a typical left wing liar.
> >
> > What did she lie about?
>
>
> Are you having trouble keeping up with the thread?
> What is the name of VA's LT. Gov.? Bob McDonnell
> never actively campaigned to be anyone's VP, yet
> she made it seem so. You know what, nevermind, go
> ahead and keep hanging on her every word. You are
> as retarded as those idiots that cling to Hannity
> or Beck. Same stupidity, different side of a
> coin. I feel bad that your parents and our
> educational system failed so miserably that you
> can't think for yourself.



-She mistekenly called him Bob Bolling early in the piece but then correctly called him Bill Bolling through the rest of it.

-Clearly, given his own words, Bob McConnell would eagerly accept a vice presidential nomination. Maddow had a little fun with his barely disguised eagerness to "get the call."

I think it's your undisguised hatred for Rachel Maddow and her political stance that has you moronically labeling those things "lying."

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: simply stated ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:20PM

Looks like the revised unemployment numbers, Obama's fall in his approval ratings and his polling behind Romney has really put a burr in the panties of the Democrat posters here. Look how upset they are. Too funny.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:21PM

More Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Any what you mean by that is that I was right and
> you have to wait to see how youre told to respond.

What I mean is your screed was incoherent and illogical.
You have no factually basis for anything you wrote.
What I mean is you’re a clown.

> There wasnt really poor grammar other than not
> using apostrophes.

Au contraire, mon ami. You write horribly, as if
English is not your native tongue. True?

> Youre trying to deflect away from the facts since
> you have no answer.

Answer to what? Your baseless ad homiem attacks? Your hackneyed, jejune insults (listening to too much nutjob talk radio, are we?)? If only you would post something worthy of a response...

> Pathetic

Indeed you are.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:29PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Any what you mean by that is that I was right
> and
> > you have to wait to see how youre told to
> respond.
>
> What I mean is your screed was incoherent and
> illogical.
> You have no factually basis for anything you
> wrote.
> What I mean is you’re a clown.
>
> > There wasnt really poor grammar other than not
> > using apostrophes.
>
> Au contraire, mon ami. You write horribly, as if
> English is not your native tongue. True?
>
> > Youre trying to deflect away from the facts
> since
> > you have no answer.
>
> Answer to what? Your baseless ad homiem attacks?
> Your hackneyed, jejune insults (listening to too
> much nutjob talk radio, are we?)? If only you
> would post something worthy of a response...
>
> > Pathetic
>
> Indeed you are.


Wow you even changed the screen name the wrote that. I guess you like just making things up to fit your view of the world and serve your purpose. Everything written was based in facts that you can look up yourself. The only clown here is your delusional egotistical self

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:42PM

More Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Everything written was based in facts that you
> can look up yourself.

Aw, time to put on your big boy pants and prove you own arguments.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: newt is not organized ()
Date: December 29, 2011 03:47PM

I received a voicemail from the Newt campaign asking me to come down and sign a petition so he would be on the primary ballot in VA. I recevied the voicemail two days after the petition deadline in VA. The campaign organization in VA is very poorly managed.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 04:04PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Everything written was based in facts that you
> > can look up yourself.
>
> Aw, time to put on your big boy pants and prove
> you own arguments.


And you changed the name again just like you change facts you dont write. Its time for you to disprove them youve yet to do so AT ALL

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 04:09PM

More Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Youre trying to deflect away from the facts since
> you have no answer.

Answer to what? Your baseless ad hominem attacks?
Your hackneyed, jejune insults (listening to too
much nutjob talk radio, are we?)? If only you
would post something worthy of a response...

Aw, time to put on your big boy pants and prove
your own arguments.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 04:13PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Youre trying to deflect away from the facts
> since
> > you have no answer.
>
> Answer to what? Your baseless ad hominem attacks?
>
> Your hackneyed, jejune insults (listening to too
> much nutjob talk radio, are we?)? If only you
> would post something worthy of a response...
>
> Aw, time to put on your big boy pants and prove
> your own arguments.

Point proven you cant. Youd rather be a broken record repeating the same thing. Good job figuring out how to use a thesaurus too using jejune doesnt make you look intelligent it just makes you look like your english professor in college just taught you that word and now you want to show it off (which is probably the case).

Your too stupid to even figure out im not more truth like you keep changing it too if I was I would have used that same.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 29, 2011 04:14PM

youre right fox viewers have jobs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> apples vs. oranges Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > facts matter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > Face it, the average FOX News viewer has a low
> > level of education and is usually some dumb
> white
> > person or religious redneck.
> >
> > Major major difference
>
> Your [sic] right [sic] there is a huge difference. Fox
> viewers are much more likely to have a job, have
> beliefs, [sic] been in the military, as opposed to the
> left whose [sic] much more likely to be a criminal, do
> drugs, bitch and whine they want free stuff for
> nothing,[sic] be a part of ows.

Your post reads like a Fox News scroll.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: December 29, 2011 04:24PM

yea right Wrote:
> >
> Your too stupid to even figure out im not more
> truth like you keep changing it too if I was I
> would have used that same.


Even fixing "You're" and "I'm" does not make this a clear sentence.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 04:45PM

More Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Point proven you cant. Youd rather be a broken
> record repeating the same thing. Good job
> figuring out how to use a thesaurus too using
> jejune doesnt make you look intelligent it just
> makes you look like your english professor in
> college just taught you that word and now you want
> to show it off (which is probably the case).
>
> Your too stupid to even figure out im not more
> truth like you keep changing it too if I was I
> would have used that same.

Well, you've proven unable to support your beliefs
with facts. Why am I not surprised?

Thanks for wasting my time. If, at some future point,
you decide to grow up and engage in a facts-based
discussion, y'all come back.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 04:46PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Even fixing "You're" and "I'm" does not make this
> a clear sentence.

S/he is a dunce. I would suggest not wasting your time.

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 05:30PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yea right Wrote:
> > >
> > Your too stupid to even figure out im not more
> > truth like you keep changing it too if I was I
> > would have used that same.
>
>
> Even fixing "You're" and "I'm" does not make this
> a clear sentence.


Yes it does. You kept changing my yea right name to more truth in your quoted responses. If i was i would have used that name.

Im sorry i didnt know simple sentences were above your comprehension level which does explain why you think like you do. Ill write like im talking to a child from now on

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 05:33PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:

> Well, you've proven unable to support your
> beliefs
> with facts. Why am I not surprised?
>
> Thanks for wasting my time. If, at some future
> point,
> you decide to grow up and engage in a facts-based
> discussion, y'all come back.


Its just humorous hearing someone that is so mature they say fuax spews tell someone else to grow up and engage in a facts based discussion.

Youve never once stated a single fact or backed up anything. Good tactic though. Your entire response thread has just been a waste of everyone elses time as you just try and deflect things because you cant deal in fact

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: Truth Be Told ()
Date: December 29, 2011 05:44PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Your too stupid to even figure out im not more
> truth like you keep changing it too if I was I
> would have used that same.
>
> Even fixing "You're" and "I'm" does not make this
> a clear sentence.

You are correct. I suspect the author is the pride
of NVCC. The sentence s/b re-written as:

"You are too stupid to understand that I am not More
Truth. If I were, I would use that name."

Of course, here in the real world, More Truth = yea
right = Barney = youre an idiot = facts matter = yes
it is = Just the fax ma'am

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Re: Disgusting VA Republican Politics
Posted by: yea right ()
Date: December 29, 2011 05:49PM

Truth Be Told Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Of course, here in the real world, More Truth =
> yea
> right = Barney = youre an idiot = facts matter =
> yes
> it is = Just the fax ma'am

And you couldnt be more wrong with all of that. If I was more truth I would have posted as that.

But in the real world things dont work anything like the fantasy world you live in so its not surprising that you are once again wrong about something

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