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Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Lurker..
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Date: February 06, 2008 12:46PM
RICHMOND, Va. -- The state Senate has approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Sen. Mary Margaret Whipple's bill cleared the Senate on a 23-15 vote Tuesday. It now goes to the House, which has its own smoking restriction proposals still pending in committee.
The Senate also passed more narrow restrictions in case Whipple's bill doesn't survive. One would ban smoking in restaurants and bars, and another would allow localities to enact their own smoking bans.
Whipple said her bill addresses a serious health issue. Opponents objected to a provision that allows local governments to pass restrictions tougher than those imposed by the state. They said that could lead to a ban on smoking in private homes and cars.
Sen. Mary Margaret Whipple's bill cleared the Senate on a 23-15 vote Tuesday. It now goes to the House, which has its own smoking restriction proposals still pending in committee.
The Senate also passed more narrow restrictions in case Whipple's bill doesn't survive. One would ban smoking in restaurants and bars, and another would allow localities to enact their own smoking bans.
Whipple said her bill addresses a serious health issue. Opponents objected to a provision that allows local governments to pass restrictions tougher than those imposed by the state. They said that could lead to a ban on smoking in private homes and cars.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Rod
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Date: February 06, 2008 02:21PM
As only a ex smoker can say, Good riddance! Now I can go back in bars., or soon.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Gravis
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Date: February 06, 2008 02:38PM
look, i dont give a damn if people want to slowly kill themselves and bitch about not having a cure for cancer when they get lung cancer. what i do give a damn is when i come home from a restaurant and smell like smoke. if there was a strait up public ban on smoking, would it be a bad thing? if you smoke, you are already a retard so feel free to be fined for it on every occasion.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
CFVEx
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Date: February 06, 2008 02:48PM
its about time
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Gravis.
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Date: February 06, 2008 03:00PM
I just hate smoking...sucking on cancer sticks is so stupid.....Id rather suck on man sticks
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
496
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Date: February 06, 2008 03:32PM
Wasn't she married to Whipple? I bet she squeezed his charmin
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
anagogue
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Date: February 06, 2008 10:27PM
It'll be a sad day when Virginia joins the likes of DC and MD. Virginia was founded on tobacco. Oh, and on freedom. If people don't want smokers in their places of business, let them decide that on their own.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
pmn
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Date: February 08, 2008 08:18AM
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/lawmakers-douse-all-bills-ban-smoking-public
Lawmakers douse all bills that ban smoking in public
Lawmakers douse all bills that ban smoking in public
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Sgt. Hulka
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Date: February 08, 2008 08:00PM
pmn Wrote:
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> http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/lawmakers-douse-al
> l-bills-ban-smoking-public
>
> Lawmakers douse all bills that ban smoking in
> public
Nice, this means each individual establishment may still choose.
One of my friendiler bars just went non smoking, I don't go there anymore.
But at the same time I understand a need for smoking AND non-smoking establishments.
Looks like private clubs will soon be prevalent in VA.
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> http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/lawmakers-douse-al
> l-bills-ban-smoking-public
>
> Lawmakers douse all bills that ban smoking in
> public
Nice, this means each individual establishment may still choose.
One of my friendiler bars just went non smoking, I don't go there anymore.
But at the same time I understand a need for smoking AND non-smoking establishments.
Looks like private clubs will soon be prevalent in VA.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Gravis
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Date: February 09, 2008 09:14AM
anagogue Wrote:
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> It'll be a sad day when Virginia joins the likes
> of DC and MD. Virginia was founded on tobacco. Oh,
> and on freedom. If people don't want smokers in
> their places of business, let them decide that on
> their own.
look, just because you are yet another dumbass who is addicted to cigarettes, doesnt mean you have to ruin restraints for everyone else. if you really must insist that this is unfair, please increase the rate at which you smoke so that you will die sooner.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> It'll be a sad day when Virginia joins the likes
> of DC and MD. Virginia was founded on tobacco. Oh,
> and on freedom. If people don't want smokers in
> their places of business, let them decide that on
> their own.
look, just because you are yet another dumbass who is addicted to cigarettes, doesnt mean you have to ruin restraints for everyone else. if you really must insist that this is unfair, please increase the rate at which you smoke so that you will die sooner.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Mofo
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Date: February 09, 2008 02:54PM
Don't forget Phillip Morris USA is headquartered in Richmond and employs a lot of people in this state. I believe this state is till the third largest tobacco growing state as well after North Carolina and Kentucky. I imagine these three states will probably be the last if ever to ban smoking in public areas.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
anagogue
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Date: February 09, 2008 03:42PM
I do not smoke. I simply think people who own businesses should be able to run them more or less as they see fit. If a restaurant owner wants to ban smoking in his establishment, I'm all for it. If a bar owner wishes to allow smoking in his, I'm all for that, too. Nobody is making you go to a smoky establishment if you don't want to.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
j3rown
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Date: February 10, 2008 11:55PM
anagogue Wrote:
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> I do not smoke. I simply think people who own
> businesses should be able to run them more or less
> as they see fit. If a restaurant owner wants to
> ban smoking in his establishment, I'm all for it.
> If a bar owner wishes to allow smoking in his, I'm
> all for that, too. Nobody is making you go to a
> smoky establishment if you don't want to.
Yeah man. It is a right a business owner has to decide whether or not they want to accomodate smokers in their place of employment. Many restaurants in Virginia and it's surrounding areas went non-smoking and soon after that sales in those restaurants went up. It's not like there aren't any smoke-free environments in Virginia as it is. Honestly, this should be a subject dealt with in local governments. In some areas (especially further south like Richmond) you find that there are a lot more smokers than in the northern regions...so what's stopping a city from passing an ordinance that would accomplish the same thing instead of a statewide ban?
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> I do not smoke. I simply think people who own
> businesses should be able to run them more or less
> as they see fit. If a restaurant owner wants to
> ban smoking in his establishment, I'm all for it.
> If a bar owner wishes to allow smoking in his, I'm
> all for that, too. Nobody is making you go to a
> smoky establishment if you don't want to.
Yeah man. It is a right a business owner has to decide whether or not they want to accomodate smokers in their place of employment. Many restaurants in Virginia and it's surrounding areas went non-smoking and soon after that sales in those restaurants went up. It's not like there aren't any smoke-free environments in Virginia as it is. Honestly, this should be a subject dealt with in local governments. In some areas (especially further south like Richmond) you find that there are a lot more smokers than in the northern regions...so what's stopping a city from passing an ordinance that would accomplish the same thing instead of a statewide ban?
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Gravis
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Date: February 11, 2008 01:38PM
j3rown Wrote:
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> Yeah man. It is a right a business owner has to
> decide whether or not they want to accomodate
> smokers in their place of employment.
hahahahaha! yeah, where are the rights of businesses written in the constitution? perhaps site a law? that's right, you are just wrong. "[this] is the future, deal with it" - Microsoft
> It's not like there
> aren't any smoke-free environments in Virginia as
> it is.
well apparently they arent any of the places i go.
> Honestly, this should be a subject dealt
> with in local governments.
but it's not.
> In some areas
> (especially further south like Richmond) you find
> that there are a lot more smokers than in the
> northern regions...
who gives a shit about them? havent they taken enough money from us already? let's just call this a bit of payback.
> so what's stopping a city from
> passing an ordinance that would accomplish the
> same thing instead of a statewide ban?
nothing. :)
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Yeah man. It is a right a business owner has to
> decide whether or not they want to accomodate
> smokers in their place of employment.
hahahahaha! yeah, where are the rights of businesses written in the constitution? perhaps site a law? that's right, you are just wrong. "[this] is the future, deal with it" - Microsoft
> It's not like there
> aren't any smoke-free environments in Virginia as
> it is.
well apparently they arent any of the places i go.
> Honestly, this should be a subject dealt
> with in local governments.
but it's not.
> In some areas
> (especially further south like Richmond) you find
> that there are a lot more smokers than in the
> northern regions...
who gives a shit about them? havent they taken enough money from us already? let's just call this a bit of payback.
> so what's stopping a city from
> passing an ordinance that would accomplish the
> same thing instead of a statewide ban?
nothing. :)
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
j3rown
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Date: February 12, 2008 02:49AM
I lose.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
boristhebulletdodger
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Date: February 13, 2008 02:19AM
Oh good, fewer liberties in VA. Why not ban drinking alcohol, eating red meat, and talking on cell phones in public while you're at it? Im allergic to smoke and cant stand the smell, but if there is so much demand for smoke free environments, why havent more restaurants than just Outback gotten rid of the smoking before now?
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 13, 2008 07:46AM
Gravis Wrote:
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> look, i dont give a damn if people want to slowly
> kill themselves and bitch about not having a cure
> for cancer when they get lung cancer. what i do
> give a damn is when i come home from a restaurant
> and smell like smoke. if there was a strait up
> public ban on smoking, would it be a bad thing?
> if you smoke, you are already a retard so feel
> free to be fined for it on every occasion.
Most mentally challenged persons do not smoke....bad comparison!
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> look, i dont give a damn if people want to slowly
> kill themselves and bitch about not having a cure
> for cancer when they get lung cancer. what i do
> give a damn is when i come home from a restaurant
> and smell like smoke. if there was a strait up
> public ban on smoking, would it be a bad thing?
> if you smoke, you are already a retard so feel
> free to be fined for it on every occasion.
Most mentally challenged persons do not smoke....bad comparison!
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: February 13, 2008 09:11AM
boristhebulletdodger Wrote:
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> Oh good, fewer liberties in VA. Why not ban
> drinking alcohol, eating red meat, and talking on
> cell phones in public while you're at it? Im
> allergic to smoke and cant stand the smell, but if
> there is so much demand for smoke free
> environments, why havent more restaurants than
> just Outback gotten rid of the smoking before now?
I have to agree, next the Church ladies will enforce what women can wear and ban alcohol in restaraunts and bars.
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> Oh good, fewer liberties in VA. Why not ban
> drinking alcohol, eating red meat, and talking on
> cell phones in public while you're at it? Im
> allergic to smoke and cant stand the smell, but if
> there is so much demand for smoke free
> environments, why havent more restaurants than
> just Outback gotten rid of the smoking before now?
I have to agree, next the Church ladies will enforce what women can wear and ban alcohol in restaraunts and bars.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 13, 2008 09:25AM
anagogue Wrote:
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> I do not smoke. I simply think people who own
> businesses should be able to run them more or less
> as they see fit. If a restaurant owner wants to
> ban smoking in his establishment, I'm all for it.
> If a bar owner wishes to allow smoking in his, I'm
> all for that, too. Nobody is making you go to a
> smoky establishment if you don't want to.
Does this same logic apply to offices and other locations we have come to expect non-smoking accomodation? The fact is a restaurant is not a "private" business..it is the business of serving the public...the public in the form of it's duely elected officials have the right to regulate the public aspects of that business.
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> I do not smoke. I simply think people who own
> businesses should be able to run them more or less
> as they see fit. If a restaurant owner wants to
> ban smoking in his establishment, I'm all for it.
> If a bar owner wishes to allow smoking in his, I'm
> all for that, too. Nobody is making you go to a
> smoky establishment if you don't want to.
Does this same logic apply to offices and other locations we have come to expect non-smoking accomodation? The fact is a restaurant is not a "private" business..it is the business of serving the public...the public in the form of it's duely elected officials have the right to regulate the public aspects of that business.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: February 13, 2008 09:35AM
Vince wrote:
> The fact is a restaurant is not a "private" business..it is the business of serving the public...
It is a private business serving private citizens that choose to enter the establishment.
I dine out quite a bit and I absolutely hate being around cigarette or cigar smoke while I am eating. Guess which places I don't go to?
> The fact is a restaurant is not a "private" business..it is the business of serving the public...
It is a private business serving private citizens that choose to enter the establishment.
I dine out quite a bit and I absolutely hate being around cigarette or cigar smoke while I am eating. Guess which places I don't go to?
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
496
()
Date: February 13, 2008 09:40AM
Cool! Now there will be more oif this!
Attachments:
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Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 13, 2008 04:29PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Vince wrote:
> > The fact is a restaurant is not a "private"
> business..it is the business of serving the
> public...
>
> It is a private business serving private citizens
> that choose to enter the establishment.
>
> I dine out quite a bit and I absolutely hate being
> around cigarette or cigar smoke while I am eating.
> Guess which places I don't go to?
No it isnt...it holds itself open to the public and as such public welfare needs to be accomodated.
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> Vince wrote:
> > The fact is a restaurant is not a "private"
> business..it is the business of serving the
> public...
>
> It is a private business serving private citizens
> that choose to enter the establishment.
>
> I dine out quite a bit and I absolutely hate being
> around cigarette or cigar smoke while I am eating.
> Guess which places I don't go to?
No it isnt...it holds itself open to the public and as such public welfare needs to be accomodated.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: February 13, 2008 08:37PM
496 Wrote:
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> Cool! Now there will be more oif this!
eww.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Cool! Now there will be more oif this!
eww.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Dead in the house
()
Date: February 15, 2008 10:21AM
RICHMOND, Feb. 14 -- The Virginia House of Delegates defeated several proposals Thursday to prohibit smoking in restaurants, stores, offices and other public places, effectively killing all anti-smoking legislation for this year's General Assembly session.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: February 15, 2008 07:15PM
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
chain smoking bastards!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
chain smoking bastards!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
Rowsdower
()
Date: February 15, 2008 08:01PM
Why can't the free market solve this question?
If a business wants to cater to smokers, then smokers can go there. Non-smokers can go to an establishment that markets a smoke free environment.
If no one wants to smoke and eat at the same time the place will go out of business.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2008 08:18PM by Rowsdower.
If a business wants to cater to smokers, then smokers can go there. Non-smokers can go to an establishment that markets a smoke free environment.
If no one wants to smoke and eat at the same time the place will go out of business.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2008 08:18PM by Rowsdower.
Re: Va State Senate approved a ban on smoking in most public buildings in Virginia.
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: February 15, 2008 08:11PM
Rowsdower Wrote:
> Why can't the free market solve this question?
Because then the terrorists would hate us for our freedom. ;p
> Why can't the free market solve this question?
Because then the terrorists would hate us for our freedom. ;p