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Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Confused
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Date: January 31, 2008 12:41PM
So why is it that Fairfax County in general is so antihunting??
We are overrun with deer that cause multiple car accidents a year and even a couple fatalities, an explosion of Canada goose population polluting the waters with high levels of e coli.
So why is it that hunters are just a bunch of blood thirsty rednecks??
I understand some people do not want to hunt/kill and animal, that is their perogative, but to try to force ones views on another is ridiculous. Especially when dealing with public land/water.
We are overrun with deer that cause multiple car accidents a year and even a couple fatalities, an explosion of Canada goose population polluting the waters with high levels of e coli.
So why is it that hunters are just a bunch of blood thirsty rednecks??
I understand some people do not want to hunt/kill and animal, that is their perogative, but to try to force ones views on another is ridiculous. Especially when dealing with public land/water.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: January 31, 2008 12:51PM
I always assumed it was a matter of public safety rather than some PETA-esque agenda. We live in a pretty cramped county, there's not a whole lot of open space for hunting.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: January 31, 2008 12:55PM
I understand that in many areas of Fairfax.
However, bow hunting for deer is quite safe considering most shots are bwtween 10 and 25 yards.
waterfowl hunting typically is on open water (i.e. Potomac and the tributaries) while development is increasing along the water, hunters do not shoot backwards at shore, they shoot out over the water.
My hunch is that people are just not familiar with or are scared of guns. Unfortunately the media makes it worse.
However, bow hunting for deer is quite safe considering most shots are bwtween 10 and 25 yards.
waterfowl hunting typically is on open water (i.e. Potomac and the tributaries) while development is increasing along the water, hunters do not shoot backwards at shore, they shoot out over the water.
My hunch is that people are just not familiar with or are scared of guns. Unfortunately the media makes it worse.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: January 31, 2008 01:14PM
My hunch is that your logic is clouded by your personal politics.
But, for what it's worth, you can actually hunt in Fairfax county, in Mason Neck State Park.
But, for what it's worth, you can actually hunt in Fairfax county, in Mason Neck State Park.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: January 31, 2008 01:42PM
you can always go hunting with a flamethrower. just dont light up too many trees. ^_^
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
pmn
()
Date: January 31, 2008 01:54PM
"We are overrun with deer that cause multiple car accidents a year and even a couple fatalities".
We are also overrun with morons who can't drive, do you want to shoot them, too?
We are also overrun with morons who can't drive, do you want to shoot them, too?
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
jeicen
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Date: January 31, 2008 01:58PM
I see many hunters try to hunt deer with overpowered equipment but in your case, bow hunting is something I can respect. Personally I do not see a need for hunting but I suppose if you intend to eat the animal or use its skin for something then it's fine.
Many people are scared of firearms, this explains the Assault Weapons Ban and the resurgence of gun regulation following a major shooting incident.
Many people are scared of firearms, this explains the Assault Weapons Ban and the resurgence of gun regulation following a major shooting incident.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Take a Stand
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Date: January 31, 2008 04:45PM
Meeper is correct, due to our population density it would be hard to legally discharge a firearm in this county. The county does provide supervised hunts in certain outlying areas in the county, but it is hard to get in on the lottery, as it is mostly just local police who get the spots.
I just think your used to living in a more rural area,possibly? Or you are a native FFx'er who remembers the old days. When I could go shoot my pistol off in the woods near what is now a shopping center in centreville. Do you think they allow hunting in Atlanta or suburban Richmond? If you want to see anti-gun to check out MD.
I bagged two buck (small racks) this year in Loudoun County, I have meat in the freezer and the hides are being tanned.
I just think your used to living in a more rural area,possibly? Or you are a native FFx'er who remembers the old days. When I could go shoot my pistol off in the woods near what is now a shopping center in centreville. Do you think they allow hunting in Atlanta or suburban Richmond? If you want to see anti-gun to check out MD.
I bagged two buck (small racks) this year in Loudoun County, I have meat in the freezer and the hides are being tanned.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
slimey
()
Date: January 31, 2008 05:32PM
jeicen Wrote:
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> I see many hunters try to hunt deer with
> overpowered equipment but in your case, bow
> hunting is something I can respect. Personally I
> do not see a need for hunting but I suppose if you
> intend to eat the animal or use its skin for
> something then it's fine.
>
> Many people are scared of firearms, this explains
> the Assault Weapons Ban and the resurgence of gun
> regulation following a major shooting incident.
As an avid hunter, I do not have a problem with not hunting deer
with Firearms in Fairfax. Not a bowhunter, but have friends
who are and they are very selective about where they hunt. Deer
are known to run for considerable distances after hit with an
arrow (or bullet for that matter) and the last thing they
want is a deer running across 123 after its been hit. (irresponsible
not to consider that factor before hunting an area) As far as your
comment "Many people are scared of firearms.......",
The Assault Weapons Ban has expired and will not be renewed. (I assume
you mean the Federal ban) As far as "the resurgence of gun
regulation", In case you didnt notice, the Virginia Legislature
just turned down efforts by Marxist anti-gunners to prohibit private
sales at gun shows and that effort has a snowballs chance in Hell
of being revived any time soon. Yes, we are infested with deer and
will continue to be so for quite a while. We are also infested with
Northeastern Yankee Liberals who do not understand wildlife management
or Virginia's rich cultural tradition of firearms ownership and
hunting in general.
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> I see many hunters try to hunt deer with
> overpowered equipment but in your case, bow
> hunting is something I can respect. Personally I
> do not see a need for hunting but I suppose if you
> intend to eat the animal or use its skin for
> something then it's fine.
>
> Many people are scared of firearms, this explains
> the Assault Weapons Ban and the resurgence of gun
> regulation following a major shooting incident.
As an avid hunter, I do not have a problem with not hunting deer
with Firearms in Fairfax. Not a bowhunter, but have friends
who are and they are very selective about where they hunt. Deer
are known to run for considerable distances after hit with an
arrow (or bullet for that matter) and the last thing they
want is a deer running across 123 after its been hit. (irresponsible
not to consider that factor before hunting an area) As far as your
comment "Many people are scared of firearms.......",
The Assault Weapons Ban has expired and will not be renewed. (I assume
you mean the Federal ban) As far as "the resurgence of gun
regulation", In case you didnt notice, the Virginia Legislature
just turned down efforts by Marxist anti-gunners to prohibit private
sales at gun shows and that effort has a snowballs chance in Hell
of being revived any time soon. Yes, we are infested with deer and
will continue to be so for quite a while. We are also infested with
Northeastern Yankee Liberals who do not understand wildlife management
or Virginia's rich cultural tradition of firearms ownership and
hunting in general.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: January 31, 2008 06:04PM
pmn Wrote:
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> "We are overrun with deer that cause multiple car
> accidents a year and even a couple fatalities".
> We are also overrun with morons who can't drive,
> do you want to shoot them, too?
YES! Less morons driving = our police acutally have to do work besides working car crashes.
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> "We are overrun with deer that cause multiple car
> accidents a year and even a couple fatalities".
> We are also overrun with morons who can't drive,
> do you want to shoot them, too?
YES! Less morons driving = our police acutally have to do work besides working car crashes.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Take a Stand
()
Date: January 31, 2008 06:35PM
slimey Wrote:
> We are
> also infested with
> Northeastern Yankee Liberals who do not understand
> wildlife management
> or Virginia's rich cultural tradition of firearms
> ownership and
> hunting in general.
So if your from the North you cant be a hunter or understand gun ownership and wildlife management. How dare I come down from Maine to live in the heart of Confederacy. And who the hell still uses terms like Yankee or Rebel in the derogatory
I just love wild ass blanket statements.
And your deer wont run far if you dont hit it in the gut..lol
> We are
> also infested with
> Northeastern Yankee Liberals who do not understand
> wildlife management
> or Virginia's rich cultural tradition of firearms
> ownership and
> hunting in general.
So if your from the North you cant be a hunter or understand gun ownership and wildlife management. How dare I come down from Maine to live in the heart of Confederacy. And who the hell still uses terms like Yankee or Rebel in the derogatory
I just love wild ass blanket statements.
And your deer wont run far if you dont hit it in the gut..lol
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Tomahawk
()
Date: January 31, 2008 07:03PM
I don't know if you still can, but you used to be able to bow-hunt on Fort Belvior. I had a buddy who did so, from what he told me it was a pain in the ass. You had to go to the archery range on base and qualify. If you didn't shoot well enough you didn't get a permit. And even if you did, they assigned you a specific location to stand hunt and you couldn't wander away from it. Didn't sound like fun to me.
Most of FFX Co is too densely populated even for shotgun hunting. The deer may be a problem, but I'm not seeing deer collisions in my corner of the county, and Dogue Creek and Abbot's Run Wildlife Refuge are thick with deer. I see them in my neighborhood every evening. Complaining about yankees or whatever is nonsense. There are just too many people is all.
Most of FFX Co is too densely populated even for shotgun hunting. The deer may be a problem, but I'm not seeing deer collisions in my corner of the county, and Dogue Creek and Abbot's Run Wildlife Refuge are thick with deer. I see them in my neighborhood every evening. Complaining about yankees or whatever is nonsense. There are just too many people is all.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: January 31, 2008 07:20PM
Take a Stand Wrote:
> So if your from the North you cant be a hunter or understand gun ownership and wildlife management.
It's a completely absurd claim that Slimey is making. He should take a trip up to rural PA sometime where I grew up, there's probably double the number of hunters up there than in Virginia. And yes, they're "liberal yankees" too. We even used to have off from school on the first day of deer season; otherwise, half the school would be "out sick" that day. Hunting in PA adds over 9 billion dollars to the state's economy each year. How's that for "not understanding"?
It's just a dumb argument to proliferate the myth in this country that the entire gambit of political thought is only represented by two polar opposites.
> So if your from the North you cant be a hunter or understand gun ownership and wildlife management.
It's a completely absurd claim that Slimey is making. He should take a trip up to rural PA sometime where I grew up, there's probably double the number of hunters up there than in Virginia. And yes, they're "liberal yankees" too. We even used to have off from school on the first day of deer season; otherwise, half the school would be "out sick" that day. Hunting in PA adds over 9 billion dollars to the state's economy each year. How's that for "not understanding"?
It's just a dumb argument to proliferate the myth in this country that the entire gambit of political thought is only represented by two polar opposites.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Genevieve
()
Date: January 31, 2008 08:09PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> We even used to have off from school on the first day of
> deer season; otherwise, half the school would be
> "out sick" that day.
There may not be a lot of benefits to growing up in rural PA, but there were some. :-)
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> We even used to have off from school on the first day of
> deer season; otherwise, half the school would be
> "out sick" that day.
There may not be a lot of benefits to growing up in rural PA, but there were some. :-)
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: January 31, 2008 09:25PM
Not wanting to perpetuate stereotypes, but there are a lot of die hard, true blue yankees from Pennsylvania and Maine who salivate at the chance to go hunting. The senior partner in my department is about as democratic as it gets, but if you try to take away his Golden Eagle over/under, he might just beat you to death
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
slimey
()
Date: January 31, 2008 09:25PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Take a Stand Wrote:
> > So if your from the North you cant be a hunter
> or understand gun ownership and wildlife
> management.
>
> It's a completely absurd claim that Slimey is
> making. He should take a trip up to rural PA
> sometime where I grew up, there's probably double
> the number of hunters up there than in Virginia.
> And yes, they're "liberal yankees" too. We even
> used to have off from school on the first day of
> deer season; otherwise, half the school would be
> "out sick" that day. Hunting in PA adds over 9
> billion dollars to the state's economy each year.
> How's that for "not understanding"?
>
> It's just a dumb argument to proliferate the myth
> in this country that the entire gambit of
> political thought is only represented by two polar
> opposites.
Meeper,
Thanks for your reply and Ill try and explain as best I can. When I say
"Northeastern Yankee Liberals" Im usually referring to to our current
"power elite" in FFx County. Also, I have to acknowledge that many of
the hunting community in NoVa comes from places like Maine, Pa, and
even my hunting partner (a world class bowhunter) is from upstate New
York. Our power structure is philosophically out of whack with most of
Virginia and would impose New York City and Boston style gun and hunting
laws on all of us if they could. I have hunted in Pa. (Potter County) on
the first day of hunting season and was impressed that students had the
day off. I wish we had that here too! (my son would have loved it during
H.S. so we wouldnt have had to be "sick" that day)
If it were not for the Va. Legislature, NoVa gun laws would be draconian.
Local politicians in FFx fought Conceal and Carry, Open Carry, and opposed
changes in the law that allow us to have gun shows in FFx now. We also have
the right to hunt, trap, and fish in FFx due to a State Constitutional
Amendment that guarantees us the right to do so. Pre-emption laws are now
in effect and we are all treated equally. (supposedly)
In conversations with local residents here, I have encountered numerous
people who are opposed to hunting, but have no idea what the deer population is
out of control. For many years, hunters warned wildlife officials and local
politicians that there was a problem. However, their warnings were ignored
and the opinions of anti-gun/hunting groups prevailed when influencing
local lawmakers. Now, we see the results. More collisions with deer and cars,
more people building "deer proof fences" like the ones I see driving to
Sandy Run. More Lyme disease too.
I am always bewildered though. Where are these pro-hunting and pro-Second
Amendment voters on election day? Conolly was just re-elected by a huge
majority, Tom Davis (even though he has a lousy record in those areas) is
retiring and will probably be replaced by a Democrat who has a bad attitude
as well.
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> Take a Stand Wrote:
> > So if your from the North you cant be a hunter
> or understand gun ownership and wildlife
> management.
>
> It's a completely absurd claim that Slimey is
> making. He should take a trip up to rural PA
> sometime where I grew up, there's probably double
> the number of hunters up there than in Virginia.
> And yes, they're "liberal yankees" too. We even
> used to have off from school on the first day of
> deer season; otherwise, half the school would be
> "out sick" that day. Hunting in PA adds over 9
> billion dollars to the state's economy each year.
> How's that for "not understanding"?
>
> It's just a dumb argument to proliferate the myth
> in this country that the entire gambit of
> political thought is only represented by two polar
> opposites.
Meeper,
Thanks for your reply and Ill try and explain as best I can. When I say
"Northeastern Yankee Liberals" Im usually referring to to our current
"power elite" in FFx County. Also, I have to acknowledge that many of
the hunting community in NoVa comes from places like Maine, Pa, and
even my hunting partner (a world class bowhunter) is from upstate New
York. Our power structure is philosophically out of whack with most of
Virginia and would impose New York City and Boston style gun and hunting
laws on all of us if they could. I have hunted in Pa. (Potter County) on
the first day of hunting season and was impressed that students had the
day off. I wish we had that here too! (my son would have loved it during
H.S. so we wouldnt have had to be "sick" that day)
If it were not for the Va. Legislature, NoVa gun laws would be draconian.
Local politicians in FFx fought Conceal and Carry, Open Carry, and opposed
changes in the law that allow us to have gun shows in FFx now. We also have
the right to hunt, trap, and fish in FFx due to a State Constitutional
Amendment that guarantees us the right to do so. Pre-emption laws are now
in effect and we are all treated equally. (supposedly)
In conversations with local residents here, I have encountered numerous
people who are opposed to hunting, but have no idea what the deer population is
out of control. For many years, hunters warned wildlife officials and local
politicians that there was a problem. However, their warnings were ignored
and the opinions of anti-gun/hunting groups prevailed when influencing
local lawmakers. Now, we see the results. More collisions with deer and cars,
more people building "deer proof fences" like the ones I see driving to
Sandy Run. More Lyme disease too.
I am always bewildered though. Where are these pro-hunting and pro-Second
Amendment voters on election day? Conolly was just re-elected by a huge
majority, Tom Davis (even though he has a lousy record in those areas) is
retiring and will probably be replaced by a Democrat who has a bad attitude
as well.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: January 31, 2008 09:32PM
slimey Wrote:
> When I say "Northeastern Yankee Liberals" Im usually referring to to our current" power elite" in FFx County.
So in other words you are referring to people who live here in Virginia.
Is that correct?
> When I say "Northeastern Yankee Liberals" Im usually referring to to our current" power elite" in FFx County.
So in other words you are referring to people who live here in Virginia.
Is that correct?
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
slimey
()
Date: January 31, 2008 10:21PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> slimey Wrote:
> > When I say "Northeastern Yankee Liberals" Im
> usually referring to to our current" power elite"
> in FFx County.
>
> So in other words you are referring to people who
> live here in Virginia.
>
> Is that correct?
Not completly. They may live in Virginia, but would rather ignore anyone
South of Manassas. Jim Moran (who represents part of FFx County) is in the
pocket of PETA and the Violence Policy Center (Sarah Brady). His "Little
Brother" Brian is right out of the same (Boston) mold. While they may
"live" in Virginia, they certainly do not represent the views of the "old
time" Virginia residents that I remember well. That is before the influx
of "ferriners" from NYC, Boston, Philly, and other "Big City" Liberals who
wish to impose their views on not only native Virginians, but the rest of
the State as well. (ref Jean Marie Devolites-Davis who thought she was
representing San Francisco for some reason) I voted for Chap Petersen this
time around because he had a better NRA rating than JMDD. It was the first
time I'd voted for a Democrat since Billy "Boy" Clinton won his first primary
nomination for President. Hopefully, in the next election cycle, the Republicans
can field a candidate worth voting for.
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> slimey Wrote:
> > When I say "Northeastern Yankee Liberals" Im
> usually referring to to our current" power elite"
> in FFx County.
>
> So in other words you are referring to people who
> live here in Virginia.
>
> Is that correct?
Not completly. They may live in Virginia, but would rather ignore anyone
South of Manassas. Jim Moran (who represents part of FFx County) is in the
pocket of PETA and the Violence Policy Center (Sarah Brady). His "Little
Brother" Brian is right out of the same (Boston) mold. While they may
"live" in Virginia, they certainly do not represent the views of the "old
time" Virginia residents that I remember well. That is before the influx
of "ferriners" from NYC, Boston, Philly, and other "Big City" Liberals who
wish to impose their views on not only native Virginians, but the rest of
the State as well. (ref Jean Marie Devolites-Davis who thought she was
representing San Francisco for some reason) I voted for Chap Petersen this
time around because he had a better NRA rating than JMDD. It was the first
time I'd voted for a Democrat since Billy "Boy" Clinton won his first primary
nomination for President. Hopefully, in the next election cycle, the Republicans
can field a candidate worth voting for.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: February 01, 2008 12:41AM
pmn Wrote:
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> "We are overrun with deer that cause multiple car
> accidents a year and even a couple fatalities".
> We are also overrun with morons who can't drive,
> do you want to shoot them, too?
i think you are on to a great idea!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> "We are overrun with deer that cause multiple car
> accidents a year and even a couple fatalities".
> We are also overrun with morons who can't drive,
> do you want to shoot them, too?
i think you are on to a great idea!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: February 01, 2008 08:30AM
slimey Wrote:
> While they may "live" in Virginia, they certainly do not represent the views of the "old time" Virginia residents that I remember well.
Oh... so that's where this thread is heading...
Look, this is getting way off topic and starting to resemble one of those tiresome Meade-threads, so I'll just say this...
A whole lot of people move to FFX county simply because of its proximity to the DC job market. We didn't come here to relish in the antebellum nostalgia of the days long past. Dress up the naked truth with whatever incorrect and misguided political stereotypes you want. We're here. And we're not leaving.
Now to steer this back toward hunting...
That's funny you mention Potter county, PA. You hunters treat that place like Mecca, it's all they talk about up there. You can't be a real hunter unless you hunt "up in Potter". Is there an equivalent place like that here in Virginia?
> While they may "live" in Virginia, they certainly do not represent the views of the "old time" Virginia residents that I remember well.
Oh... so that's where this thread is heading...
Look, this is getting way off topic and starting to resemble one of those tiresome Meade-threads, so I'll just say this...
A whole lot of people move to FFX county simply because of its proximity to the DC job market. We didn't come here to relish in the antebellum nostalgia of the days long past. Dress up the naked truth with whatever incorrect and misguided political stereotypes you want. We're here. And we're not leaving.
Now to steer this back toward hunting...
That's funny you mention Potter county, PA. You hunters treat that place like Mecca, it's all they talk about up there. You can't be a real hunter unless you hunt "up in Potter". Is there an equivalent place like that here in Virginia?
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
??
()
Date: February 01, 2008 09:01AM
This deer and goose problem is stupid. In suburbs of New York there are more hunts and kills on deer than in Fairfax. The counties and municipalities recognize that nobody ever lived like a free ranging deer livestock farmer. Not Fairfax.
It's like pidgeons or rats in a city. At least I can club a rat with a shovel.
Here it's HOA's that can make decisons. PS suburbans school districts are smaller in NY and Philly burbs and better. Better, more stable schools with local control and they whack the deer. Also trim more trees along power lines so you get less outages.
It's like pidgeons or rats in a city. At least I can club a rat with a shovel.
Here it's HOA's that can make decisons. PS suburbans school districts are smaller in NY and Philly burbs and better. Better, more stable schools with local control and they whack the deer. Also trim more trees along power lines so you get less outages.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Tomahawk
()
Date: February 01, 2008 02:28PM
Well, while I understand what Slimey's gripe is, and I happen to be one of those damn yankees. I moved here from Penna. about 10 years ago. Before that I lived in Jersey. New Hampshire has the same problem with Boston and NYC types moving in.
Northern Virginia attracts people of all sorts, for the reasons Meeper stated. The jobs are here. That's the biggest thing. If you want "yankees" to move away, just trash your economy the way Penna. did.
Rural PA. is full of ruined industrial towns with abandoned steel mills and factories and oil refineries. Prosperity brings population growth, so if you like your lifestyle, you have to deal with it.
That said, one of the reasons I took a job offer in VA is because it is generally a freer place to live than NJ. The car tax sucks, but in NJ you more than make up for it with huge insurance bills. The gun laws here are good. NJ is a nazi state by comparison, run by some of the most corrupt people in the nation. There are things about VA I don't like; PA has lots of state forest land and game land to roam around in, VA doesn't. Also, I'm not a big fan of the hard-right-southern-christian stuff, but on balance I like it here.
And southerners, even DC-area faux southerners, tend to be a lot nicer people than NJ or NY people to talk to on the street. NOVA and DC is just more laid back.
Back on topic: hunting here would be a lot more like PA if VA had more public land to hunt on.
Northern Virginia attracts people of all sorts, for the reasons Meeper stated. The jobs are here. That's the biggest thing. If you want "yankees" to move away, just trash your economy the way Penna. did.
Rural PA. is full of ruined industrial towns with abandoned steel mills and factories and oil refineries. Prosperity brings population growth, so if you like your lifestyle, you have to deal with it.
That said, one of the reasons I took a job offer in VA is because it is generally a freer place to live than NJ. The car tax sucks, but in NJ you more than make up for it with huge insurance bills. The gun laws here are good. NJ is a nazi state by comparison, run by some of the most corrupt people in the nation. There are things about VA I don't like; PA has lots of state forest land and game land to roam around in, VA doesn't. Also, I'm not a big fan of the hard-right-southern-christian stuff, but on balance I like it here.
And southerners, even DC-area faux southerners, tend to be a lot nicer people than NJ or NY people to talk to on the street. NOVA and DC is just more laid back.
Back on topic: hunting here would be a lot more like PA if VA had more public land to hunt on.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: February 01, 2008 03:04PM
Tomahawk wrote:
> I moved here from Penna. about 10 years ago. Before that I lived in Jersey. New Hampshire has the same problem...
That's so funny that you said that Tomahawk, cuz everybody in the town where I grew up is always complaining about all the Jersey people who have been migrating across the border in recent years. :)) It's almost like the south Poconos officially has a Jersey accent these days, lol
People must bitch about this same crap all over the US.
> I moved here from Penna. about 10 years ago. Before that I lived in Jersey. New Hampshire has the same problem...
That's so funny that you said that Tomahawk, cuz everybody in the town where I grew up is always complaining about all the Jersey people who have been migrating across the border in recent years. :)) It's almost like the south Poconos officially has a Jersey accent these days, lol
People must bitch about this same crap all over the US.
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Johnnie Reb
()
Date: February 01, 2008 04:56PM
Tomahawk Wrote:
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> Well, while I understand what Slimey's gripe is,
> and I happen to be one of those damn yankees. I
> moved here from Penna. about 10 years ago. Before
> that I lived in Jersey. New Hampshire has the same
> problem with Boston and NYC types moving in.
>
> Northern Virginia attracts people of all sorts,
> for the reasons Meeper stated. The jobs are here.
> That's the biggest thing. If you want "yankees" to
> move away, just trash your economy the way Penna.
> did.
>
> Rural PA. is full of ruined industrial towns with
> abandoned steel mills and factories and oil
> refineries. Prosperity brings population growth,
> so if you like your lifestyle, you have to deal
> with it.
>
> That said, one of the reasons I took a job offer
> in VA is because it is generally a freer place to
> live than NJ. The car tax sucks, but in NJ you
> more than make up for it with huge insurance
> bills. The gun laws here are good. NJ is a nazi
> state by comparison, run by some of the most
> corrupt people in the nation. There are things
> about VA I don't like; PA has lots of state forest
> land and game land to roam around in, VA doesn't.
> Also, I'm not a big fan of the
> hard-right-southern-christian stuff, but on
> balance I like it here.
>
> And southerners, even DC-area faux southerners,
> tend to be a lot nicer people than NJ or NY people
> to talk to on the street. NOVA and DC is just more
> laid back.
>
> Back on topic: hunting here would be a lot more
> like PA if VA had more public land to hunt on.
Well Said!!!!
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> Well, while I understand what Slimey's gripe is,
> and I happen to be one of those damn yankees. I
> moved here from Penna. about 10 years ago. Before
> that I lived in Jersey. New Hampshire has the same
> problem with Boston and NYC types moving in.
>
> Northern Virginia attracts people of all sorts,
> for the reasons Meeper stated. The jobs are here.
> That's the biggest thing. If you want "yankees" to
> move away, just trash your economy the way Penna.
> did.
>
> Rural PA. is full of ruined industrial towns with
> abandoned steel mills and factories and oil
> refineries. Prosperity brings population growth,
> so if you like your lifestyle, you have to deal
> with it.
>
> That said, one of the reasons I took a job offer
> in VA is because it is generally a freer place to
> live than NJ. The car tax sucks, but in NJ you
> more than make up for it with huge insurance
> bills. The gun laws here are good. NJ is a nazi
> state by comparison, run by some of the most
> corrupt people in the nation. There are things
> about VA I don't like; PA has lots of state forest
> land and game land to roam around in, VA doesn't.
> Also, I'm not a big fan of the
> hard-right-southern-christian stuff, but on
> balance I like it here.
>
> And southerners, even DC-area faux southerners,
> tend to be a lot nicer people than NJ or NY people
> to talk to on the street. NOVA and DC is just more
> laid back.
>
> Back on topic: hunting here would be a lot more
> like PA if VA had more public land to hunt on.
Well Said!!!!
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Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
jeicen
()
Date: February 01, 2008 07:17PM
slimey Wrote:
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> comment "Many people are scared of
> firearms.......",
> The Assault Weapons Ban has expired and will not
> be renewed. (I assume
> you mean the Federal ban) As far as "the
> resurgence of gun
> regulation", In case you didnt notice, the
> Virginia Legislature
> just turned down efforts by Marxist anti-gunners
> to prohibit private
> sales at gun shows and that effort has a snowballs
> chance in Hell
> of being revived any time soon.
Yes, I am aware that the ban has expired but I still felt it was a good example. Personally I see no problems whatsoever with owning fully-automatic assault rifles - look at Switzerland! And I knew that the gun show bill was shot down (har har) but when I said 'resurgance' I meant as in 'a resurgance of attempted legistlation.'
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> comment "Many people are scared of
> firearms.......",
> The Assault Weapons Ban has expired and will not
> be renewed. (I assume
> you mean the Federal ban) As far as "the
> resurgence of gun
> regulation", In case you didnt notice, the
> Virginia Legislature
> just turned down efforts by Marxist anti-gunners
> to prohibit private
> sales at gun shows and that effort has a snowballs
> chance in Hell
> of being revived any time soon.
Yes, I am aware that the ban has expired but I still felt it was a good example. Personally I see no problems whatsoever with owning fully-automatic assault rifles - look at Switzerland! And I knew that the gun show bill was shot down (har har) but when I said 'resurgance' I meant as in 'a resurgance of attempted legistlation.'
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
Tomahawk
()
Date: February 02, 2008 11:18AM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Tomahawk wrote:
> > I moved here from Penna. about 10 years ago.
> Before that I lived in Jersey. New Hampshire has
> the same problem...
>
> That's so funny that you said that Tomahawk, cuz
> everybody in the town where I grew up is always
> complaining about all the Jersey people who have
> been migrating across the border in recent years.
> :)) It's almost like the south Poconos officially
> has a Jersey accent these days, lol
>
> People must bitch about this same crap all over
> the US.
I am at least half Pennsylvanian. I was born there and I spent many summers there at my grandparents' house and my uncle's farm growing up. Later, I moved and went to college at Penn State. So I can speak either dialect. I find that despite being "yankees", Pennsylvanians seem to have much more in common with Virginians then New Jerseyans, even rural South Jersey, but it's all perception.
I really do miss the PA state forests. Huge areas of wilderness to hike and camp in, and even hunt if you like. VA is mostly private land until you get to the national forests, which is at least a 2 hour drive from FFx Co. Shanendoah NP is beautiful but it sucks. The rules are too strict for everything, including backpacking and camping, there's a noisy, crowded road right through the middle, and the wildlife is too tame from idiot tourists.
Now look at me, bitching about out-of-staters, now!
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> Tomahawk wrote:
> > I moved here from Penna. about 10 years ago.
> Before that I lived in Jersey. New Hampshire has
> the same problem...
>
> That's so funny that you said that Tomahawk, cuz
> everybody in the town where I grew up is always
> complaining about all the Jersey people who have
> been migrating across the border in recent years.
> :)) It's almost like the south Poconos officially
> has a Jersey accent these days, lol
>
> People must bitch about this same crap all over
> the US.
I am at least half Pennsylvanian. I was born there and I spent many summers there at my grandparents' house and my uncle's farm growing up. Later, I moved and went to college at Penn State. So I can speak either dialect. I find that despite being "yankees", Pennsylvanians seem to have much more in common with Virginians then New Jerseyans, even rural South Jersey, but it's all perception.
I really do miss the PA state forests. Huge areas of wilderness to hike and camp in, and even hunt if you like. VA is mostly private land until you get to the national forests, which is at least a 2 hour drive from FFx Co. Shanendoah NP is beautiful but it sucks. The rules are too strict for everything, including backpacking and camping, there's a noisy, crowded road right through the middle, and the wildlife is too tame from idiot tourists.
Now look at me, bitching about out-of-staters, now!
Re: Anti hunting Fairfax
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: February 02, 2008 11:24AM
Tomahawk Wrote:
>Later, I moved and went to college at Penn State.
Always nice to see fellow alumni posting here.
>Later, I moved and went to college at Penn State.
Always nice to see fellow alumni posting here.