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Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Where's the Open Window? ()
Date: November 08, 2011 04:48PM

I know this was recently written about but I have a specific question. My child has been expelled from a fcps for possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. He has a 3.996 average, doesn't matter. First offense for anything, doesn't matter. He made an incredibly horrible mistake in judgement and foolish choice and that's all that matters. Because dealing with the root of the problem, correcting his path, paying the price, taking the consequence and owning up to the illegal behavoir is one thing, but having no place to actually go to school takes away the only thing I want to give him at this point: hope.

I've made the rounds at the catholic and private schools - they won't take him, of course. The alternative schools like "adult detention center" and "boys probationary center" are not where I want him to be either. Can't afford military school. If I sell my house and move to Loudoun County and try to enroll him there will they "cross-reference" him? Or will his transcripts mention expulsion and they will turn him away too? Does anyone know? Thanks.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: fi ()
Date: November 08, 2011 04:54PM

You have a stupid kid.

All he had to do is wait a couple months until Stuban takes his seat on the School Board and he'd have been home free. Hell, if it was good shit, the admins might have shared a bowl with him!

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Dumb ()
Date: November 08, 2011 05:03PM

Let's see....came to school with weed. More then likely was skipping school and was caught trying to come back to school. Your student was searched and they found weed. What is there to complain about. Clearly broke 2 rules listed in the SR and R. Instead of complaining, get your kid to stay in school and off the weed.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: stuban daries ()
Date: November 08, 2011 05:06PM

Are you as stupid a your kid??.They will just send him somwhere else in the system after his hearing.Apparently your little urchin got your smarts. This was probably all explained to you if you had the brains to comprehend it.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: dimwad ()
Date: November 08, 2011 05:09PM

Sorry to hear about your child. He should have learned the lesson sooner in life. Now, I am afraid there is very little school options. You can home school. Good luck with college. Too bad you did not catch it sooner and get him help.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Bert ()
Date: November 08, 2011 05:42PM

It's positively hilarious to see the holier-than-thou crowd weighing in on this. But remember, Obama was a pot smoker and cocaine user and so was Bill Clinton. And if averages hold true, about 5 members of the school board, who voted to expel your son for pot, were also pot users.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: you are all a bunch of dumb a-holes ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:00PM

Fact is, twits, there are a bunch of people that smoke dope and go on and lead pretty damn productive lives. They make good money, have good family lives, and don't have burnt out livers, dented fenders, and perpetual whiskey face from drinking the legal drug, alcohol.

The fact that this kid got caught is the only thing that separates him from the bunch of potheads that don't get caught.

The penalty is too harsh, and the school board (or whoever) shouldn't f-up a kid's next few years for doing what probably half (or more) of the other students do on a regular basis.

They need to look at the whole picture, and I would think this kid's 3.996 GPA should put him above those degenerates that barely pass, and aren't even high. Those idiots are the real f-ups.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: sympathetic mom ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:09PM

Mom - I'm sorry to hear your story. Good luck, I hope you find a viable option.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: howbout ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:23PM

mom, sorry to hear that. What's respectable is that he is taking responsibility for his actions and not trying to place the blame on someone else. With that being said have you tried Mountain View in centreville? It is an alternative school however your options are limited elsewhere due to his expulsion. Unfortunately, I am afraid his expulsion will remain on his record even if he wasn't charged. Either way he will have to disclose this later in life when he applies to universities and jobs.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: An answer ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:25PM

Where's the Open Window? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know this was recently written about but I have
> a specific question. My child has been expelled
> from a fcps for possession of marijuana with
> intent to distribute. He has a 3.996 average,
> doesn't matter. First offense for anything,
> doesn't matter. He made an incredibly horrible
> mistake in judgement and foolish choice and that's
> all that matters. Because dealing with the root of
> the problem, correcting his path, paying the
> price, taking the consequence and owning up to the
> illegal behavoir is one thing, but having no place
> to actually go to school takes away the only thing
> I want to give him at this point: hope.
>
> I've made the rounds at the catholic and private
> schools - they won't take him, of course. The
> alternative schools like "adult detention center"
> and "boys probationary center" are not where I
> want him to be either. Can't afford military
> school. If I sell my house and move to Loudoun
> County and try to enroll him there will they
> "cross-reference" him? Or will his transcripts
> mention expulsion and they will turn him away too?
> Does anyone know? Thanks.


I think this answers your question about moving to Loudoun.

From the Code of Virginia http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+22.1-277.2

§ 22.1-277.2. Authority to exclude students under certain circumstances; petition for readmission; alternative education program.
A. A student, who has been expelled or suspended for more than thirty days from attendance at school by a school board or a private school in this Commonwealth or in another state or for whom admission has been withdrawn by a private school in this Commonwealth or in another state may be excluded from attendance by a local school board in Virginia, regardless of whether such student has been admitted to another school division or private school in the Commonwealth or in another state subsequent to such expulsion, suspension, or withdrawal of admission upon a finding that the student presents a danger to the other students or staff of the school division after (i) written notice to the student and his parent that the student may be subject to exclusion, the reasons therefor, and, in the event of such exclusion, of the right to appeal the decision at a hearing before the school board or a committee thereof; and (ii) a review of the case has been conducted by the division superintendent or his designee and exclusion has been recommended.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: answers ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:28PM

howbout Wrote:
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> mom, sorry to hear that. What's respectable is
> that he is taking responsibility for his actions
> and not trying to place the blame on someone else.
> With that being said have you tried Mountain View
> in centreville? It is an alternative school
> however your options are limited elsewhere due to
> his expulsion. Unfortunately, I am afraid his
> expulsion will remain on his record even if he
> wasn't charged. Either way he will have to
> disclose this later in life when he applies to
> universities and jobs.


Mountain View is an FCPS school, if he was expelled from FCPS he wont be gojng there. To answer the OPs original question, FCPS and districts surrounding it have mutual agreements about kids who are expelled. If Loudon realizes he was expelled from FCPS, they wont take him.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: How about Maryland? ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:33PM

An answer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Where's the Open Window? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know this was recently written about but I
> have
> > a specific question. My child has been expelled
> > from a fcps for possession of marijuana with
> > intent to distribute. He has a 3.996 average,
> > doesn't matter. First offense for anything,
> > doesn't matter. He made an incredibly horrible
> > mistake in judgement and foolish choice and
> that's
> > all that matters. Because dealing with the root
> of
> > the problem, correcting his path, paying the
> > price, taking the consequence and owning up to
> the
> > illegal behavoir is one thing, but having no
> place
> > to actually go to school takes away the only
> thing
> > I want to give him at this point: hope.
> >
> > I've made the rounds at the catholic and
> private
> > schools - they won't take him, of course. The
> > alternative schools like "adult detention
> center"
> > and "boys probationary center" are not where I
> > want him to be either. Can't afford military
> > school. If I sell my house and move to Loudoun
> > County and try to enroll him there will they
> > "cross-reference" him? Or will his transcripts
> > mention expulsion and they will turn him away
> too?
> > Does anyone know? Thanks.
>
>
> I think this answers your question about moving to
> Loudoun.
>
> From the Code of Virginia
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
> d+22.1-277.2
>
> § 22.1-277.2. Authority to exclude students under
> certain circumstances; petition for readmission;
> alternative education program.
> A. A student, who has been expelled or suspended
> for more than thirty days from attendance at
> school by a school board or a private school in
> this Commonwealth or in another state or for whom
> admission has been withdrawn by a private school
> in this Commonwealth or in another state may be
> excluded from attendance by a local school board
> in Virginia, regardless of whether such student
> has been admitted to another school division or
> private school in the Commonwealth or in another
> state subsequent to such expulsion, suspension, or
> withdrawal of admission upon a finding that the
> student presents a danger to the other students or
> staff of the school division after (i) written
> notice to the student and his parent that the
> student may be subject to exclusion, the reasons
> therefor, and, in the event of such exclusion, of
> the right to appeal the decision at a hearing
> before the school board or a committee thereof;
> and (ii) a review of the case has been conducted
> by the division superintendent or his designee and
> exclusion has been recommended.

This is Virginia law. Is this true in Maryland, too? Maybe the OP could move to MontCo.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: August West ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:52PM

OP, sorry to hear it. I'm surprised the local Catholic schools would not take him. There are a variety of alternative schools in FFX besides BPH. Contact Teresa Zutter@fcps.edu. She is Asst. Superintendent for alternative education and probably the nicest and most competent person working at Gatehouse. I taught with her years ago.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: bccb ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:53PM

Where's the Open Window? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know this was recently written about but I have
> a specific question. My child has been expelled
> from a fcps for possession of marijuana with
> intent to distribute. He has a 3.996 average,
> doesn't matter. First offense for anything,
> doesn't matter. He made an incredibly horrible
> mistake in judgement and foolish choice and that's
> all that matters. Because dealing with the root of
> the problem, correcting his path, paying the
> price, taking the consequence and owning up to the
> illegal behavoir is one thing, but having no place
> to actually go to school takes away the only thing
> I want to give him at this point: hope.
>
> I've made the rounds at the catholic and private
> schools - they won't take him, of course. The
> alternative schools like "adult detention center"
> and "boys probationary center" are not where I
> want him to be either. Can't afford military
> school. If I sell my house and move to Loudoun
> County and try to enroll him there will they
> "cross-reference" him? Or will his transcripts
> mention expulsion and they will turn him away too?
> Does anyone know? Thanks.

Story doesn't jive here. 3.9 gpa they are not tossing your kid from all of fcps probably just the school he was attending. Unless this is his 2nd or 3rd offense...if so your bullshitting about his gpa because no smart kid could possibly be that dumb.

Your kid is getting alternatively placed at another school in the cluster if this is in fact his first offense.

Good god people its like damn near impossoble to get tossed from fcps the whole damn thing...you really have to f up for that to happen and possession of pot even in zero tolerance fcps wouldn't do that.

Like I said op original post seems to be lacking some key details or like someone said the apple didn't fall to far from the tree.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Intent? ()
Date: November 08, 2011 06:55PM

Possession with intent to distribute? How did they determine he intended to distribute? Did he actually sell any, offer to sell it, or are they just piling on to make it sound worse than it is? I thought they weren’t going to be expelling kids for possessing marijuana anymore.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Sympathizer ()
Date: November 08, 2011 07:02PM

It is unjust that a kid can assualt and batter another student yet remain in the system while a kid who simply has marijuana in his possession is completely expelled. Really? The latter is causing no harm to anyone around him.

Curious, did the school report your child to the cops?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: I think ()
Date: November 08, 2011 07:36PM

Intent? Wrote:
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> Possession with intent to distribute? How did they
> determine he intended to distribute? Did he
> actually sell any, offer to sell it, or are they
> just piling on to make it sound worse than it is?
> I thought they weren’t going to be expelling
> kids for possessing marijuana anymore.


I think it is based on the amount he had with him, or if he had any paraphernalia that would lead one to think he was trying to sell (scale, multiple small baggies etc) . If the police charged him with intent to sell, the school would use the same language.


As for the person who asked if the OP could go to Montgomery to avoid the VA law, the answer is nope. The local districts all work together on that stuff as a way to protect each others interests.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Hate to say this... ()
Date: November 08, 2011 07:37PM

Where's the Open Window? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know this was recently written about but I have
> a specific question. My child has been expelled
> from a fcps for possession of marijuana with
> intent to distribute. He has a 3.996 average,
> doesn't matter. First offense for anything,
> doesn't matter. He made an incredibly horrible
> mistake in judgement and foolish choice and that's
> all that matters. Because dealing with the root of
> the problem, correcting his path, paying the
> price, taking the consequence and owning up to the
> illegal behavoir is one thing, but having no place
> to actually go to school takes away the only thing
> I want to give him at this point: hope.
>
> I've made the rounds at the catholic and private
> schools - they won't take him, of course. The
> alternative schools like "adult detention center"
> and "boys probationary center" are not where I
> want him to be either. Can't afford military
> school. If I sell my house and move to Loudoun
> County and try to enroll him there will they
> "cross-reference" him? Or will his transcripts
> mention expulsion and they will turn him away too?
> Does anyone know? Thanks.

I hate to say this, but your kid is basically screwed if he wants a government job... Face it, he made a bad choice, and he has to live with that choice. Not only did he break the SR&R, but he also broke a federal law.

However, there is (some) hope. You can send him to an "alternative" school for the remainder of the year, and after that point, he can petition for re-admission to FCPS (if I remember correctly) and be sent back to his old high school. However, if he does it again, there won't be another opportunity.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Parental Opinion ()
Date: November 08, 2011 07:48PM

> ...they are not tossing your kid from all of fcps probably just
> the school he was attending...

Yeah, that's a confusing part of the SR&R wording - it turns out there are TWO different "expulsions" - one, as you note, is just to force the kid to change schools. The other, of course, is what the rest of us think "expel" means - right out of the FCPS system. The latter is reserved for the cases the school system considers bad enough to warrant it - like distributing, rather than merely possessing, drugs.

Unfortunately, even quality students go bad sometimes - selling drugs, no matter how many people use them, remains a felony, I believe. Speaking of which, the OP mentions distribution but doesn't mention criminal charges. Is there a reason for this?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Rambling ()
Date: November 08, 2011 07:49PM

The good news is, if in fact "your kid is basically screwed if he wants a government job", is that he is screwed if he wants a government job.

If he worked for the government, he would basically be one of the same numb-nutted types that kicked him out of school. They make it hard for people who want to go out and make money and pay their salaries.

Nope, get yourself a good private sector job, make good $$$$, and laugh at all those government dorks with name tags around their necks and boring 9-5 jobs with no real chance to make money. Hell, make enough money that you have the satisfaction of knowing that your taxes probably pay 2-3 of those government worker's salaries, and sleep well at night knowing you could probably buy 3 of their houses with cash.

Become a lawyer---maybe even a hard core prosecutor (that is a government-type job, unfortunately) so you can go after hero-to-the people sleazebags like Joe Pa...who, if in fact these allegations are true, felt he could wash his hands of a mess simply by reporting it to higher-ups even though he was in a position of near supreme authority.

Bringing pot to school-crime? Not reporting a kid getting buggered in the shower-not a crime?

How is that for a ramble?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Drey ()
Date: November 08, 2011 08:03PM

Just think what would have happened if Barak Obama was expelled for pot. Or Bill Clinton. Or Carl Sagan. Or Al Gore. Or Newt Gingrich. Or Bill Gates.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: So Sad ()
Date: November 08, 2011 08:03PM

Along the lines of what "Hate to say this" said..

A few years ago there was an athletically gifted kid who was expelled from Robinson (and, presumably, the entire FCPS). His parents sent him to Boy's Town out West for a year. He wised up and was allowed to return to another high school in Fairfax. As the previous poster said, you may have to send him to an alternative school for a while, and petition to have him reinstated in the FCPS.

Beyond the school issue, however, if he was charged not only with possession but with intent to distribute, I have to wonder if there is more to his behavior than what he has told you. Having experienced something similar, I would surreptitiously check his phone and online correspondence, scour his room, and do everything you can to assure yourself that there is nothing shady going on. As Judge Judy says..."How do you know when a teenager is lying? When their lips are moving."

I hate the draconian penalties imposed on these kids, especially for first-time offenses. And I hate the hypocrisy of the people imposing the penalties. Hopefully, that will change if people like Mr. Stuban get on the school board.

Good luck.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: idiot ()
Date: November 08, 2011 08:17PM

>
> > They need to look at the whole picture, and I
> would think this kid's 3.996 GPA should put him
> above those degenerates that barely pass, and
> aren't even high. Those idiots are the real f-ups.


I feel sorry for this kid but your logic is flawed.

A high GPA isn't a measure of good morals, good personality, good decision making or good anything else. All it means is you have a high GPA. It does not mean that you are better than kids who don't have high GPA's. A high GPA does not give you a ticket to do whatever you want.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: aplant ()
Date: November 08, 2011 08:27PM

Dear Sir,

I am very sorry for your troubles. I am sorry your son was expelled for having dried up plant matter on his person. I am sure he would not have had the same punishment for a bottle of Jack and a pack of cigs but that is the world we live in.

Make it a learning moment. Maybe he should openly protest the unfairness of these policies. It is really really stupid to ruin his life over dried leaves while we let peoples openly sell poison like alcohol or tobacco...

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: sahvant ()
Date: November 08, 2011 08:35PM

idiot Wrote:
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> I feel sorry for this kid but your logic is
> flawed.
>
> A high GPA isn't a measure of good morals, good
> personality, good decision making or good anything
> else.

GPA is a measurement.

> All it means is you have a high GPA.

You forgot to type "earned" after "have".

> It does not mean that you are better than kids who
> don't have high GPA's.

In some ways, it absolutely does.

> A high GPA does not give
> you a ticket to do whatever you want.

R U sure?

All students must have an equal chance at happiness through equal school and equal job and equal health care and equal cars driving and equal food intake and performance ratings are bad because they make us not equal!!!

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Parental Opinion ()
Date: November 08, 2011 08:36PM

aplant Wrote:
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> ...It is really really stupid to ruin his life over dried
> leaves while we let peoples openly sell poison like alcohol or tobacco...

True - prohibition doesn't work and should be eliminated entirely.

Until then, however...

[however, note that this has nothing to do with prohibition, really - instead, some kid broke some very clear rules and, minimally, wil have to suffer scholastic consequences for that]

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: bob marley ()
Date: November 08, 2011 08:40PM

"Just think what would have happened if Barak Obama was expelled for pot. Or Bill Clinton. Or Carl Sagan. Or Al Gore. Or Newt Gingrich. Or Bill Gates."

These guys are all worthless--come up with some people who don't suck

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: howbout ()
Date: November 08, 2011 10:14PM

answers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> howbout Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > mom, sorry to hear that. What's respectable is
> > that he is taking responsibility for his
> actions
> > and not trying to place the blame on someone
> else.
> > With that being said have you tried Mountain
> View
> > in centreville? It is an alternative school
> > however your options are limited elsewhere due
> to
> > his expulsion. Unfortunately, I am afraid his
> > expulsion will remain on his record even if he
> > wasn't charged. Either way he will have to
> > disclose this later in life when he applies to
> > universities and jobs.
>
>
> Mountain View is an FCPS school, if he was
> expelled from FCPS he wont be gojng there. To
> answer the OPs original question, FCPS and
> districts surrounding it have mutual agreements
> about kids who are expelled. If Loudon realizes he
> was expelled from FCPS, they wont take him.

That's strange because when I went to high school that's usually where the expelled kids ended up. Also I remember Woodson had some young offender program and took kids in who got kicked out of school.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: alc ()
Date: November 08, 2011 10:33PM

howbout Wrote:
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> That's strange because when I went to high school
> that's usually where the expelled kids ended up.
> Also I remember Woodson had some young offender
> program and took kids in who got kicked out of
> school.


There's a bunch of ALC programs. Mountain View took the druggies and gangbangers when Eleven Oaks closed.

There's one in the trailers at Holmes Middle that they call Montrose.

The old Burke School has an ALC for the really bad kids.

I think Dunn Loring still has an ALC. but Pimmit is gone.

There are others I think. Bryant?

Some like Mountain View are really two schools in one. You got the ALC kids on one end and the knocked up girls and non-criminal general fuck-ups on the other.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: alc ()
Date: November 08, 2011 10:40PM

Forgot to mention. In keeping with the general prison-like atmospere at the ALCs, all students, male and female, are required to wear blue jeans and navy blue pull-over sweatshirts. I guess it's easier to keep track of the "inmates" if they are in uniform.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Bigdog ()
Date: November 08, 2011 11:32PM

G.E.D. then he can stay home and smoke more pot. Its ok we know he never inhaled before.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: dumbass ()
Date: November 08, 2011 11:39PM

You know how hard it is to get caught with pot?!? Your kid must've been pretty open about it. If ya gonna hold, keep your damn head down

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: skewed values ()
Date: November 09, 2011 08:47PM

sahvant Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I feel sorry for this kid but your logic is
> > flawed.
> >
> > A high GPA isn't a measure of good morals, good
> > personality, good decision making or good
> anything
> > else.
>
> GPA is a measurement.
>
> > All it means is you have a high GPA.
>
> You forgot to type "earned" after "have".
>
> > It does not mean that you are better than kids
> who
> > don't have high GPA's.
>
> In some ways, it absolutely does.
>
> > A high GPA does not give
> > you a ticket to do whatever you want.
>
> R U sure?
>
> All students must have an equal chance at
> happiness through equal school and equal job and
> equal health care and equal cars driving and equal
> food intake and performance ratings are bad
> because they make us not equal!!!


I feel sorry for you. Your entire self confidence should not be tied to your GPA. Your parents must have only shown you conditional love. I hope you don't pass this terrible set of values onto other people.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: bad attitude hater ()
Date: November 09, 2011 09:11PM

> I feel sorry for you. Your entire self confidence
> should not be tied to your GPA. Your parents must
> have only shown you conditional love. I hope you
> don't pass this terrible set of values onto other
> people.

You, my friend, have a bad view of life and what it means to achieve. A great deal of your self confidence (if not all) should be tied to your achievements, which during school years, includes maintaining a high GPA.

If you want to believe in some little namby-pamby fairy tale parents might tell a kid who is slow or dumb, feel free to do that. And that is OK. But please, do not think that this ideal is acceptable for someone who works to achieve.

But please, for the love of god, don't think that it is a good way to live a fulfilling and productive life.

Like I said before, I have more respect for this kid who is able to do what he is supposed to in school (that is, maintain a high GPA) than those vapid souls that I remember from my high-school days who didn't really do anything, including do well at school. What a freaking waste of time, and clear misunderstanding of what the mission of school is, that is, to maintain good grades.

The world needs ditch-diggers, and I think it would be a shame that this jr. pothead might be pushed towards that simply because he "got caught", whilst there are many other potheads (and, non-potheads) or are real f-ups and are better suited to have f-up jobs.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: pray for you ()
Date: November 09, 2011 09:22PM

bad attitude hater Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > I feel sorry for you. Your entire self
> confidence
> > should not be tied to your GPA. Your parents
> must
> > have only shown you conditional love. I hope
> you
> > don't pass this terrible set of values onto
> other
> > people.
>
> You, my friend, have a bad view of life and what
> it means to achieve. A great deal of your self
> confidence (if not all) should be tied to your
> achievements, which during school years, includes
> maintaining a high GPA.
>
> If you want to believe in some little namby-pamby
> fairy tale parents might tell a kid who is slow or
> dumb, feel free to do that. And that is OK. But
> please, do not think that this ideal is acceptable
> for someone who works to achieve.
>
> But please, for the love of god, don't think that
> it is a good way to live a fulfilling and
> productive life.
>
> Like I said before, I have more respect for this
> kid who is able to do what he is supposed to in
> school (that is, maintain a high GPA) than those
> vapid souls that I remember from my high-school
> days who didn't really do anything, including do
> well at school. What a freaking waste of time, and
> clear misunderstanding of what the mission of
> school is, that is, to maintain good grades.
>
> The world needs ditch-diggers, and I think it
> would be a shame that this jr. pothead might be
> pushed towards that simply because he "got
> caught", whilst there are many other potheads
> (and, non-potheads) or are real f-ups and are
> better suited to have f-up jobs.


You sound like a prize. I hope you don't have children. I am a high achieving, high paying professional who maintained a high GPA. I do not measure people by their GPA's.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: liar liar ()
Date: November 09, 2011 09:36PM

You are an idiot. Since you identify yourself as "a high achieving, high paying(?) (paid?) professional who maintained a high GPA" you seem to understand the value of these typical metrics.

How do you measure people? Their height?

Don't be afraid to admit you use these metrics to measure people. If in fact you were to hire somebody, how do you evaluate them? Their looks? Toss a coin?

You are an unaware liar.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: thanks for the laugh ()
Date: November 09, 2011 09:42PM

liar liar Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are an idiot. Since you identify yourself as
> "a high achieving, high paying(?) (paid?)
> professional who maintained a high GPA" you seem
> to understand the value of these typical metrics.
>
> How do you measure people? Their height?
>
> Don't be afraid to admit you use these metrics to
> measure people. If in fact you were to hire
> somebody, how do you evaluate them? Their looks?
> Toss a coin?
>
> You are an unaware liar.


Your reply is absurd. Thanks for the laugh. Stay in your ignorant world. Make sure your family knows to post your gpa on your tombstone since no one will remember you as a good person.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Read this thread and have some questions ()
Date: November 09, 2011 09:44PM

I guess I'm confused. The OP says his kid was in possession of drugs with intent to distribute. We have no idea all that happened but it sounds like this kid was dealing drugs at school. Maybe I am wrong but it seems like the intent to distribute part is important. Not sure whether it matters if a kid deals drugs with a 1.0 gpa or a 4.0 gpa. Either way, the kid is dealing drugs.

What do you think? Should why a kid brings drugs to school matter? Maybe marijuana should be legal and none of this should matter. Lots of people think marijuana should be legal.

Anyway, kids may bring marijuana by accident or maybe on purpose but not to sell. Maybe the kid brings marijuana to smoke and even smokes it in school. Maybe he/she brings it to smoke later on. Maybe the student brings it to give to friends or to sell it to make money. Does any of this matter or should the kid just get sent back to school because this is only marijuana?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: denial ()
Date: November 09, 2011 09:54PM

At this point, I don't care about my GPA. It was many, many years ago, and since it was in fact "good", it served as a foundation for the next success, and the next, and the next, and the next. Heck, if you want, put my 2 handicap or 4 hour marathon time on my tombstone. Those are more current. Family life is good, folks are happy, work is fulfilling and I continue to value hard work and achievement. And, I don't falsely deny that these are the building blocks of a happy and fulfilling life. Nor do I deny that many judgments are made as people move through the various rites of passage. Like school.

Are you sh**ing me? You think it is a "bad" thing to make judgments of a high-school aged person based on their GPA? Why have it, then? Let's just play hopscotch and finger paint all day.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: The Facts ()
Date: November 09, 2011 10:03PM

The fact is that the code of Virginia makes expulsion for possession (bringing it onto school) of marijuana on school grounds mandatory.


School boards are required by Virginia law to expel students who commit two types of offenses:

Bringing to school firearms or other destructive devices defined in the federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.07 (A))

Bringing drugs, imitation drugs, or marijuana onto school property or to a school-sponsored event. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.08 (A))

http://www.virginiarules.com/virginia-rules/student-responsibilities

So, if a kid is not expelled but is removed from a school and assigned to an alternative school or a kid is expelled but gets sent to an alternative school is due to the generosity of the school board since the law says school boards are required to expel.

So until the code of Virginia changes, opinions whether is "should not be... or ought to"...have no weight.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: November 11, 2011 02:47AM

The Facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The fact is that the code of Virginia makes expulsion for possession (bringing it onto school) of marijuana on school grounds mandatory.<
>
> School boards are required by Virginia law to expel students who commit two types of offenses:<
>
> Bringing to school firearms or other destructive devices defined in the federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.07 (A))<
>
> Bringing drugs, imitation drugs, or marijuana onto school property or to a school-sponsored event. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.08 (A))<
>
> So, if a kid is not expelled but is removed from a school and assigned to an alternative school or a kid is expelled but gets sent to an alternative school is due to the generosity of the school board since the law says school boards are required to expel.<
>
> So until the code of Virginia changes, opinions whether is "should not be... or ought to"...have no weight.<



You have grossly misrepresented the state code which only requires discipline not expulsion:

"A school board may, however, determine, based on the facts of the particular case, that special circumstances exist and another disciplinary action is appropriate."

Stop lying.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Mr. Insensitive ()
Date: November 11, 2011 06:50AM

Where's the Open Window? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know this was recently written about but I have
> a specific question. My child has been expelled
> from a fcps for possession of marijuana with
> intent to distribute. He has a 3.996 average,
> doesn't matter. First offense for anything,
> doesn't matter. He made an incredibly horrible
> mistake in judgement and foolish choice and that's
> all that matters. Because dealing with the root of
> the problem, correcting his path, paying the
> price, taking the consequence and owning up to the
> illegal behavoir is one thing, but having no place
> to actually go to school takes away the only thing
> I want to give him at this point: hope.
>
> I've made the rounds at the catholic and private
> schools - they won't take him, of course. The
> alternative schools like "adult detention center"
> and "boys probationary center" are not where I
> want him to be either. Can't afford military
> school. If I sell my house and move to Loudoun
> County and try to enroll him there will they
> "cross-reference" him? Or will his transcripts
> mention expulsion and they will turn him away too?
> Does anyone know? Thanks.

Congratulations, for all your fine parenting...
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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: poor business practices ()
Date: November 11, 2011 07:27AM

aplant Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dear Sir,
>
> I am very sorry for your troubles. I am sorry
> your son was expelled for having dried up plant
> matter on his person. I am sure he would not have
> had the same punishment for a bottle of Jack and a
> pack of cigs but that is the world we live in.
>
> Make it a learning moment. Maybe he should openly
> protest the unfairness of these policies. It is
> really really stupid to ruin his life over dried
> leaves while we let peoples openly sell poison
> like alcohol or tobacco...


Maybe the difference is that most people dont bring alcohol and tobacco to their place of work to sell it during business hours, there were 16 other hours a day junior could have tried peddling his wares....

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: JustRick ()
Date: November 12, 2011 06:38AM

Get a lawyer!

I can't believe I'm the first to type this.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Wake up parents ()
Date: November 12, 2011 07:38AM

You call your kid "My child" and say you are "dealing with the root of the problem" and "He made an incredibly horrible mistake in judgement and foolish choice."

I did not see the parent take any responsibility. Occasional pot smoking is one thing. Large quantities of pot and dealing/distribution indicate deeper problems and parents that are too busy and likely have 'checked out' on their kids. And now instead of making them own their consequences and learn an important lesson in life, the parent is offering to sell their home and move to just get their child back in school and just sweep everything over like it never happened.

Sorry -- too much parental indulgence going on. Your child should be in an intervention/treatment program. Your child should be in a program which visits the jail to see where he is going to end up if he does not change his ways. Your child should be doing some community service. Your child should be punished and have his privileges taken away -- no electronics and no driver's license.

Doing the above will create the hope that he can turn this around and be a future productive member of society. Not doing the above will guarantee that he gets in further trouble. If you cannot afford a good treatment program the County and FCPS have many programs to help with all of this. If you do not want to go the FCPS route, then contact the Community Services Board and/or the Juvenile Court staff.

Good luck.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Know Nothing ()
Date: November 12, 2011 08:05AM

Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The fact is that the code of Virginia makes
> expulsion for possession (bringing it onto school)
> of marijuana on school grounds mandatory.<
> >
> > School boards are required by Virginia law to
> expel students who commit two types of offenses:<
> >
> > Bringing to school firearms or other destructive
> devices defined in the federal Gun-Free Schools
> Act of 1994. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.07
> (A))<
> >
> > Bringing drugs, imitation drugs, or marijuana
> onto school property or to a school-sponsored
> event. (Code of Virginia § 22.1-277.08 (A))<
> >
> > So, if a kid is not expelled but is removed from
> a school and assigned to an alternative school or
> a kid is expelled but gets sent to an alternative
> school is due to the generosity of the school
> board since the law says school boards are
> required to expel.<
> >
> > So until the code of Virginia changes, opinions
> whether is "should not be... or ought to"...have
> no weight.<
>
>
>
> You have grossly misrepresented the state code
> which only requires discipline not expulsion:
>
> "A school board may, however, determine, based on
> the facts of the particular case, that special
> circumstances exist and another disciplinary
> action is appropriate."
>
> Stop lying.

Mr. Bore, I pasted it DIRECTLY from the Va.gov link. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The law says expel not discipline.

School boards are required by Virginia law to expel students who commit two types of offenses:


So no, I'm not lying. And yes, a school board "may" (it doesn't say shall) find a reason not to expel but mete out another consequence. Which is what I stated also. It a school board doesn't expel, thank them for being generous.

Obviously you did not read or refused to read my whole post or visit the link.

http://www.virginiarules.com/virginia-rules/student-responsibilities


So take your pills to treat whatever issue you have with facing consequences for your acts.



Don't like the law, vote for candidates that support changing it.

tootles!

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: SR&R ()
Date: November 12, 2011 08:27AM

SR&R refers directly to the state code in those sections. Seeing as FCPS has been re-assigning the majority of these students into good schools, they actually have been going lighter than Virginia requires.

As for a lawyer- I wouldn't bother on the school end of things. He clearly had weed, and something (papers, numerous baggies, a large amount of weed, scales) that earned him the intent to distribute tag. The burden of proof is minimal for the schools, no lawyer will get you out of that. Get a lawyer for the legal side, own up and get your kid some help on the school side- that will help him out when you go to the hearing.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Boby44 ()
Date: December 11, 2011 12:56AM

Fairfax country parents love to bitch and complain, its fucking typical. There plenty of dads, well off with jobs that are financially stable and have wives that stay at home and don't get fucked enough (except by students- dads watch out it actually happen with a stay at home chantilly milf and a oakton senior). The major problem is that stay at home wifes have nothing better to do than get on these forums with two intentions; being fucking nosy and wanting to gossip and make them feel important about themselves. As to what you son has done, he has made a mistake. However, he is a dumbass. I graduated from Oakton High School in 2009. From September 2008 to April 2009, there was 50 pounds of marijuana pushed through Oakton high school. Neither of the two biggest dealers got caught. Your kid is fucking stupid. Plain and simple. If he can't matster the high school marijuana trade, I got news for you bitch, he won't ever succeed. A 3.9 in highschool, especially at Oakton if you're intelligent is not a big achievement, it's merely a requirment if you want to attend a university with substantial creditation. Perhaps some of the Northern Virginia (Oakton) stay at home moms should go back to school, take some additional classes and further their education. They need something to occupy their time, and drive them away from writing nonsense on this forum.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Junta ()
Date: December 11, 2011 01:16AM

Lolol!!! This tw bit punk is on fantasy island. As if a 45 year old milf with. 2800 sq ft house, a Lexus and a BMW, is gonna screw a peniless, punk ass, pimply faced, know nothing, hi school ass swipe and his little two inch penis that cums in bout 22 seconds.Dream phukking on you pathetic dikhead.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Sydney ()
Date: June 09, 2015 12:57AM

got kicked out in 8th grade of fairafax county schools! get a lawyer

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: mincey ()
Date: June 09, 2015 04:03PM

kicked out of school? God, what a loser! Pretty pathetic upbringing if he's got nothing better to do but smoke and sell dope.
Tell the loser to get off his ass and go look for a job!

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Liberty Middle School ()
Date: June 09, 2015 05:04PM

Is your kid also the rapist at LMS?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: notmine ()
Date: February 03, 2017 02:29PM

wtf is your problem bro?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Liberty Middle School ()
Date: February 03, 2017 03:11PM

Nuttin. What's your's, bitch?

U even lift bruh?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Steven Stevenson. ()
Date: February 03, 2017 03:27PM

Fuck Yea-6 days a week....You wanna Go?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Moved on ()
Date: February 03, 2017 03:40PM

This is five years later.

Wonder whether the poor boy ever graduated from NVCC?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: who the fuck cares ()
Date: February 03, 2017 08:33PM

Jesus who teh fuck cares?

If the kid graduated HS or college or ended up in a ditch or is a fucking start-up millionaire.

Who
Teh
Fuck
Cares
?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: dasds ()
Date: February 03, 2017 08:38PM

Shows GPA dosent mean shit anyone that gets caught with bud on school grounds is an idiot plain and simple. He could of just ran, really its that simple.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Dealer ()
Date: February 03, 2017 08:42PM

I know this kid. He ended up going to Georgetown Prep and graduating with a 3.5 GPA.

He is at Cornell now majoring in microbiology and art history.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: left wing propaganda ()
Date: February 03, 2017 09:08PM

Cornell? My God, that is one of the worst liberal schools in the country. They have "nigger lies matter" groups and all that shit. They don't allow free speech on campus, if its speech they don't agree with.You paying all that money for him to get a left wing indoctrination.

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Dealer ()
Date: February 03, 2017 09:12PM

Yeah. He's a real libtard (?). Is that what you call liberals here?

Anyway, yeah he is pretty left-leaning these days. In one of his history of protesting classes he stood up and shouted sic semper tyrannous and just dropped like five hits of acid.

Then he went over to the Chauncey quad and just started telling people how great his femur and neck-bones were.

What a liberal douche!

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Fox News ()
Date: February 03, 2017 09:13PM

Where's the Open Window? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know this was recently written about but I have
> a specific question. My child has been expelled
> from a fcps for possession of marijuana with
> intent to distribute. He has a 3.996 average,
> doesn't matter. First offense for anything,
> doesn't matter. He made an incredibly horrible
> mistake in judgement and foolish choice and that's
> all that matters. Because dealing with the root of
> the problem, correcting his path, paying the
> price, taking the consequence and owning up to the
> illegal behavoir is one thing, but having no place
> to actually go to school takes away the only thing
> I want to give him at this point: hope.
>
> I've made the rounds at the catholic and private
> schools - they won't take him, of course. The
> alternative schools like "adult detention center"
> and "boys probationary center" are not where I
> want him to be either. Can't afford military
> school. If I sell my house and move to Loudoun
> County and try to enroll him there will they
> "cross-reference" him? Or will his transcripts
> mention expulsion and they will turn him away too?
> Does anyone know? Thanks.


How did your kid turn out? Is he a college graduate or a full-time marijuana maker?

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Re: Another FCPS Expulsion
Posted by: Where's the Open Window? ()
Date: February 03, 2017 09:29PM

He is studying at Cornell currently. Unfortunately he is not following in his father's footsteps as a master cooper. He has chosen to become either a gay art historian or a bio-chemist. Either way, we are very disappointing in him. We don't even make him nice turkey dinners anymore when he comes home. We just stare at him and sometimes just use a belt on his bare bottom as a spanking device because we are so sad that he has to go to Cornell and be such as liberal douche.

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