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SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: lost again ()
Date: October 16, 2011 07:38PM

Can someone make this easy for me and tell me which school board candidates the SLEEP Coalition is endorsing?

Thanks

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 16, 2011 08:28PM

SLEEP is not endorsing candidates. They're publishing the candidates answers to SLEEP's questionnaire.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Our kids deserve SLEEP ()
Date: October 16, 2011 08:47PM

My kids bus comes at 5:50 AM. Too early for young brains.

Thank god we will have a whole new SB in 2012.

Plus JD is OUT!

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: lost again ()
Date: October 16, 2011 09:05PM

In what publication is SLEEP providing the responses to this issue that is being approached from a singular perspective?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: sleeplessinffx ()
Date: October 16, 2011 09:59PM

According to SLEEP's Facebook page, it looks like Sharon Brown-Kaplan is in favor of changing the start times.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Sleeplessinffx ()
Date: October 16, 2011 10:07PM

Found another in favor of reviewing the Sleep matter
Lolita Mancheno-Smoak.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: observation ()
Date: October 16, 2011 10:22PM

Velkoff wrote letters to the editor against SLEEP when the SB was considering it.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Total Bull ()
Date: October 16, 2011 11:17PM

Thomas More Wrote:
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> SLEEP is not endorsing candidates. They're
> publishing the candidates answers to SLEEP's
> questionnaire.

Absolutely Total Bullshit!

Let's discuss just one of SLEEP's endorsements for school board.

Phyllis Payne, Co-founder of SLEEP, is quoted on Megan McLaughlin's campaign endorsements page:

"As Megan's FEC colleague, I can say no one cuts to the heart of an issue with greater clarity and focus. She's a team player who guides stakeholders toward consensus."

Phyllis Payne, Co-founder of SLEEP, wrote on PATCH:

"I first met Megan through her work as a leader of FAIRGRADE. I have since gotten to know her very well from working with her on the Fairfax Education Coalition. I have always been impressed with her leadership abilities, her integrity, her focus on research-based decision-making, and her ability to build consensus even among people with divergent political perspectives. She is a good listener and is always looking for practical solutions that will help the children in Fairfax."

(Side note... Who are the other co-founders of SLEEP? Conspicuously missing from the SLEEP website. But you will find this statement in their archives: "SLEEP kicked off National Sleep Awareness Week with testimony before the school board. Click here to read the speeches of Megan McLaughlin and Phyllis Payne.")

This is the same SLEEP group that claims they did not hijack the FCPS survey of important issues and just magically collected over 2,000 votes in the first few days of the survey.

Why can't Megan McLaughlin be honest about her participation with SLEEP?

Why can't Phyllis Payne say publicly that she is working to help Megan McLaughlin get elected?

Could it be that the vast majority of parents do not want high school to end at 3:00 or 4:00 or later? Could it be that SLEEP's only hope of resurrecting their failed attempt to delay school start/end times is to secretly help their people get elected to the school board?

Is it any wonder that Phyllis Payne and Megan McLaughlin both subscribe to the Catherine Lorenze school of political activism?

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What a Load
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 17, 2011 12:28AM

That Phyllis Payne is publicly, openly supporting Megan is not the same as SLEEP endorsing candidates. Sorry that nuance is beyond you, Total Bull, but then you think having kids on the road at 5:30 am is a good thing.

Megan's support for SLEEP has also been open and public.

That SLEEP supporters responded to Jack's survey in an organized, coherent manner is completely acceptable. That your allies, Total Bull, did not also participate in the same manner reflects their lack of cohesion and commitment to their position.

No one knows how the "vast majority of parents" fee with regard to later high start times as no one has done a legitimate, scientific public opinion poll on the issue.

Your clumsy attempt to imply something nefarious in Phylis', SLEEP's or Megan's activity in support of later start times is Total Bull.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: survey taker ()
Date: October 17, 2011 07:04AM

When I read about the survey I immediately went to the website and took it. Why? because if FCPS is going to do and use surveys, they should have sense enough to do them properly. If this is the way they run the school system (and I fear it is) we are in trouble. Anyone who has ever taken any kind of class that includes adminstering surveys (or for that matter, multiple choice tests) knows that there are rules that one uses. I would equate this survey to signing a petition with a fake name--it's not worth anything! It means nothing.

Bottom line: if the survey FCPS administered had given staff the results it wanted,FCPS would have been touting this survey all over the news as justification for its decision.

By the way, I do not support the SLEEP initiative, but I do support honest data and transparency. This survey was an effort to manipulate data on the part of FCPS. I give SLEEP credit for exposing this sorry survey.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Total Bull ()
Date: October 17, 2011 07:39AM

survey taker Wrote:
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> I give SLEEP credit for exposing this sorry survey.

You are rewriting history. SLEEP hijacked the survey in a misguided attempt to show that their crusade was more supported than the other ideas submitted. Their antics were exposed by readers of Fairfax Underground who created the Dodgeball proposal to show how SLEEP did it.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: survey taker ()
Date: October 17, 2011 07:54AM

to Total Bull:

Sorry--you are right, I didn't look at it that way. But if SLEEP hadn't pointed it out, I would not have known about the survey. FCPS should know better than to give that kind of survey. It was very unprofessional.

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Re: What a Load
Posted by: Total Bull ()
Date: October 17, 2011 07:59AM

Thomas More Wrote:
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> That Phyllis Payne is publicly, openly supporting
> Megan is not the same as SLEEP endorsing
> candidates.

Total Bull. You are trying to split a pubic hair. Phyllis Payne IS SLEEP. If you have a list of SLEEP's founders, officers, and directors then go ahead and post it.

> Megan's support for SLEEP has also been open and public.

More Total Bull. Not on Megan's website, or any of her campaign signs or literature. She is hiding from it, or at least attempting to diminish her role.

> That SLEEP supporters responded to Jack's survey
> in an organized, coherent manner is completely
> acceptable. That your allies, Total Bull, did not
> also participate in the same manner reflects their
> lack of cohesion and commitment to their
> position.

SLEEP hijacked the survey. Opponents did not need to organize; their numbers were far greater.

> Your clumsy attempt to imply something nefarious in Phylis', SLEEP's or Megan's activity in support of later start times is Total Bull.

I don't need to imply something nefarious. That was already done by her supporters:

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/07/meet-the-new-liz-bradsher.html

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/07/no-more-politics-as-usual.html

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Total Bull ()
Date: October 17, 2011 08:06AM

survey taker Wrote:
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> to Total Bull:
>
> Sorry--you are right, I didn't look at it that
> way. But if SLEEP hadn't pointed it out, I would
> not have known about the survey. FCPS should know
> better than to give that kind of survey. It was
> very unprofessional.


I agree. In my opinion, there was value in asking for anonymous public ideas, and the discussions that followed. The multiple voting aspect took away from that.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Parent22039 ()
Date: October 19, 2011 10:49PM

Am told there is an article in this weekend's Fairfax Times with details on almost every candidates position on SLEEP (with many supporting SLEEP). Does anyone have a link to the article?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Sleep it off ()
Date: October 23, 2011 12:27AM

From SLEEP's own website:
"Our leadership team has decided that these 5 at-large candidates are sleep-friendly."

Sounds like endorsement to me. Also, a handy guide on who not to vote for. If a candidate falls for SLEEP's propaganda, then they show a severe lack of critical thinking.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: SLEEP IS EVIL ()
Date: October 23, 2011 03:56AM

SLEEP advocates for core hours of 9:00 to 4:00 for High Schools in Fairfax County. They ignore the fact that if they are able to impose their will, the schools will move some after-school sports and activities to the 7:00 am time slot.

For High Schools to start at 9:00, some elementary schools will need to have their students arrive at 7:00 am.

Megan McLaughlin (Braddock District candidate for school board) is the leading SLEEP candidate. When elected, if Megan can not change school start times county wide, a pilot program at Lake Braddock, Robinson, and Woodson may be an option.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: RIP Van Winkle ()
Date: October 23, 2011 04:41PM

Our kids deserve SLEEP Wrote:
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> My kids bus comes at 5:50 AM. Too early for young
> brains.
>
> Thank god we will have a whole new SB in 2012.
>
> Plus JD is OUT!

A couple of questions-

Do you go to the school in the school district in which you live?
I am assuming you have H.S kids.

What time does your school actually start?

How would you feel if your 8yr. old had to be at the bus stop at that time?

I dont feel bad for the Langley kids that should be going to Herndon but mummy and daddy through their money around. So now they sit on G-town Pike forever.

And before you jump to any conclusions...I live no where near Herndon/Langley area.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Bus times ()
Date: October 23, 2011 04:47PM

The problem is our HS is not the nearest to our house. I wish I had an answer.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: True ()
Date: October 23, 2011 06:47PM

Take a survey of every high school student and you will find that the only way they would all endorse a later start time is if they would continue to get out at 2:10. They do not want sports practice, band practice, publications work to last an hour later. This initiative should stay asleep!

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Good night ()
Date: October 23, 2011 06:54PM

I’m tired of all this talk about SLEEP. This won’t work here, can't we just give SLEEP a rest?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: How early is early? ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:02PM

What is the earliest start time for a high school?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Survey ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:11PM

I agree we need to do a survey without parent input. Most kids would love to get an extra 30 minutes of sleep.

Getting out of school at 2:30 or 2:45 would not really keep kids from doing any after school activities.

Ask yourself what time you started HS?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: start time/ bus stop time ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:15PM

Our bus stop time for our development is 5:50AM. This is terrible.

I guess JD never cared about our kids. I hope we can have change and that he is no longer around next year.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Wow! ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:19PM

start time/ bus stop time Wrote:
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> Our bus stop time for our development is 5:50AM.
> This is terrible.
>
> I guess JD never cared about our kids. I hope we
> can have change and that he is no longer around
> next year.


That's incredibly early. Where do your kids go to school?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: If it's that easy ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:46PM

Survey Wrote:
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> I agree we need to do a survey without parent
> input. Most kids would love to get an extra 30
> minutes of sleep.
>
> Getting out of school at 2:30 or 2:45 would not
> really keep kids from doing any after school
> activities.
>
> Ask yourself what time you started HS?


Is this a possibility? I thought the change was to move the start times to 9 - 9:30 or so with kids getting out at 4 or 4:30. If moving the start times to 8 am or so causes no real problems, than why not do it?

To answer your question, though, I'm pretty sure I went to school before 8 am.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Decided Voter ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:59PM

I'm voting for Stuban, McElveen and Mancheno. They are sensible about SLEEP and other issues as well.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Jack Dale ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:00PM

My kids get up earlier then JD can even make it to Gatehouse. Absurd. I think JD should wait at his local bus stop at 5:50AM. Asshole.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Undecided Voter ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:03PM

What does sensible about SLEEP mean? My kids do a lot after school and I’m not sure how they would fit it in if they got home too much later than they do.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Boo hoo ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:16PM

My kids should loose sleep because your can't deal with it? It is called being organized. Try it.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Boo hoo, to you ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:36PM

Boo hoo Wrote:
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> My kids should loose sleep because your can't deal
> with it? It is called being organized. Try it.

Not sure who you are talking to but no matter, you make no sense. I am organized, but thanks for the suggestion -- and my kids sleep great. They wake up, go to school, play sports, come home, enjoy their family, and are dealing with everything just fine. My friends’ kids are fine as well. Not sure there is really a problem here.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Boo hoo, boo hoo to you too! ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:42PM

I bet you drive a minivan with those awful stickers.

Peace.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Sleep it off ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:00PM

To those that support SLEEP:

I guess you're OK with elementary kids waiting for the bus at 6 am in winter while high schoolers lounge in bed. Good luck selling that.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Know Nothing ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:04PM

General times buses are on the road:

6:00 a.m. - 7:00 a.m. high school
7:00 a.m. - 8:00 a.m. middle school
8:00 a.m. - 9:00 a.m. elementary school
9:00 a.m. - 1:50 p.m. shuttles, kindergarten runs, field trips
1:50 p.m. - 2:50 p.m. high school
2:50 p.m. - 3:30 p.m. middle school
3:30 p.m. - 4:15 p.m. elementary school
4:15 p.m. - 5:00+ p.m. late runs (SOL)
5:00+ p.m. field trips


The Code of Virginia, Section 22.1-176, permits local school boards to provide transportation for eligible students based upon acceptable walking distances, but does not require them to do so.

Since riding a bus is not mandatory, perhaps consider driving your child to school so she/he can sleep longer until the new SB decides to change start times.


http://www.fcps.edu/fts/tran/bell/index.shtml

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: uzbecki becki becki stan stan stan ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:23PM

Boo hoo, boo hoo to you too! Wrote:
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> I bet you drive a minivan with those awful
> stickers.
>
> Peace.


Got a minivan, but no stickers, sorry.

Peace to you.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Excuse me! ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:44PM

We need some higher level math people to work out our boundaries and bus times. I suggest we give the problem to those kids who attend TJ. God knows they can do better then what we have now.

Plus we can save on a salary at Gatehouse.

How about it TJ?

Show us some school spirit.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Stop Confusing the Issues ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:45PM

Total Bull Wrote:
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> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SLEEP is not endorsing candidates. They're
> > publishing the candidates answers to SLEEP's
> > questionnaire.
>
> Absolutely Total Bullshit!
>
> Let's discuss just one of SLEEP's endorsements for
> school board.
>
> Phyllis Payne, Co-founder of SLEEP, is quoted on
> Megan McLaughlin's campaign endorsements page:
>
> "As Megan's FEC colleague, I can say no one cuts
> to the heart of an issue with greater clarity and
> focus. She's a team player who guides
> stakeholders toward consensus."
>
> Phyllis Payne, Co-founder of SLEEP, wrote on
> PATCH:
>
> "I first met Megan through her work as a leader of
> FAIRGRADE. I have since gotten to know her very
> well from working with her on the Fairfax
> Education Coalition. I have always been impressed
> with her leadership abilities, her integrity, her
> focus on research-based decision-making, and her
> ability to build consensus even among people with
> divergent political perspectives. She is a good
> listener and is always looking for practical
> solutions that will help the children in
> Fairfax."
>
> (Side note... Who are the other co-founders of
> SLEEP? Conspicuously missing from the SLEEP
> website. But you will find this statement in
> their archives: "SLEEP kicked off National Sleep
> Awareness Week with testimony before the school
> board. Click here to read the speeches of Megan
> McLaughlin and Phyllis Payne.")
>
> This is the same SLEEP group that claims they did
> not hijack the FCPS survey of important issues and
> just magically collected over 2,000 votes in the
> first few days of the survey.
>
> Why can't Megan McLaughlin be honest about her
> participation with SLEEP?
>
> Why can't Phyllis Payne say publicly that she is
> working to help Megan McLaughlin get elected?
>
> Could it be that the vast majority of parents do
> not want high school to end at 3:00 or 4:00 or
> later? Could it be that SLEEP's only hope of
> resurrecting their failed attempt to delay school
> start/end times is to secretly help their people
> get elected to the school board?
>
> Is it any wonder that Phyllis Payne and Megan
> McLaughlin both subscribe to the Catherine Lorenze
> school of political activism?


Phyllis Payne is not conducting herself like Catherine Lorenze.

Stop confusing the issues, asshat. Kids would benefit from a later start time, and so would most parents. It would not require elementary school kids to walk to school in the dark at 6 AM.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: No confusion here ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:55PM

Stop Confusing the Issues Wrote:

> Stop confusing the issues, asshat. Kids would
> benefit from a later start time, and so would most
> parents. It would not require elementary school
> kids to walk to school in the dark at 6 AM.


We are not confused, we just don’t want this change (and the baggage that might come with it). While my kids may have to get up a bit earlier than I would like, overall the schedule works fine for our kids and our family, and has been working fine for a long time. Plus, my kids are able to be involved in all the extra-curricular activities they want. Time to move on. Next topic?

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: My kids get up at 5:50AM. Yours? ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:58PM

I am glad you are happy but many parents are not.

We need FAIR sleep times.

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Posted by: Still no confusion ()
Date: October 23, 2011 10:05PM

My kids get up at 5:50AM. Yours? Wrote:
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> I am glad you are happy but many parents are not.
>
>
> We need FAIR sleep times.


And many parents are. The sleep times are fair (or FAIR).My kids just went to bed. They'll be up in time for school tomorrow. Too bad the World Series is on so late. That's where SLEEP could do some good. I wish our family could watch the former Senators in the World Series. Maybe SLEEP can get these games to start earlier?

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Teenage brains ()
Date: October 23, 2011 10:11PM

Teenage brains are wired to stay up later. Check out the last issue of National Geographic.

I just want what is fair. You are happy so all right is with the world. I think not. I do not need you to tell me how kids work. Thanks but no.

Good luck to you.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: My teenagers' are sleeping ()
Date: October 23, 2011 10:26PM

Teenage brains Wrote:
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> Teenage brains are wired to stay up later. Check
> out the last issue of National Geographic.
>
> I just want what is fair. You are happy so all
> right is with the world. I think not. I do not
> need you to tell me how kids work. Thanks but no.
>
>
> Good luck to you.


Not trying to tell you how kids work, though it seems that is what you are trying to tell me.

I don’t disagree that, in a perfect world, it might be better to let the kids sleep later. In this area, we really can’t. This is especially true if we want our kids to have access to the range of extra-curricular opportunities we can fortunately offer to our kids.

And it’s not a tragedy, it’s an inconvenience. Maybe not the optimal situation, but one our kids can deal with (and more). Science may show that letting teenagers sleep later is more beneficial. This doesn’t mean they cannot succeed, and thrive, if they have to get up earlier than is optimal.

Good luck to you and you family, too.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: MORE BULLSHIT FROM SLEEP ()
Date: October 24, 2011 12:11AM

Stop Confusing the Issues Wrote:
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>
> Phyllis Payne is not conducting herself like
> Catherine Lorenze.

Phyllis Payne, Catherine Lorenze, and Megan McLaughlin are the leaders of SLEEP. They are working together to get Megan elected. The statement that SLEEP is not endorsing any candidates is a LIE. This is more than guilt by association. Phyllis, Catherine, and Megan have a tightly planned campaign that protects Megan from criticism while allowing others to slam her opponent.


>
> Stop confusing the issues, asshat. Kids would
> benefit from a later start time, and so would most
> parents. It would not require elementary school
> kids to walk to school in the dark at 6 AM.

Fact: Sunrise tomorrow is at 7:26 am. SLEEP's demand WILL result in elementary students walking to school in the dark.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: The Last Emperor Must Go ()
Date: October 24, 2011 02:42AM

Decided Voter Wrote:
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> I'm voting for Stuban, McElveen and Mancheno.
> They are sensible about SLEEP and other issues as
> well.

Ryan "I graduated from FCPS in 2007 & my daddy's a teacher" McElveen?

Stuban - yes
Mancheno - yes
McElveen - NO. I am not voting for my neighbor's kid either.
Attachments:
Ryan Mc.PNG

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: hs boundaries ()
Date: October 24, 2011 07:40AM

High school boundaries could be re-drawn so that the students who have so far to travel can attend the high schools that are closer to their homes.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Sleep People are NUT SACK CRAZY! ()
Date: October 24, 2011 07:50AM

Teenage brains Wrote:
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> Teenage brains are wired to stay up later. Check
> out the last issue of National Geographic.
>
> I just want what is fair. You are happy so all
> right is with the world. I think not. I do not
> need you to tell me how kids work. Thanks but no.
>
>
> Good luck to you.

Why has this become an issue over the last few years? How come when we were in school teenage brains were wired to do what our parents told us to do? Half the studies that go on now days are just people trying to justify a job. All you morons for sleep are the lazy ones. Admit it, you dont want to get up and get your kids off to school. Let them sleep and extra 30 min. and drive them in your pathetic little mini vans. I bet all the people pushing for sleep would not be doing this if they had kids in elem. school!

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 24, 2011 08:07AM

Sleep People are NUT SACK CRAZY! Wrote:
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> Teenage brains Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Teenage brains are wired to stay up later.
> Check
> > out the last issue of National Geographic.
> >
> > I just want what is fair. You are happy so all
> > right is with the world. I think not. I do not
> > need you to tell me how kids work. Thanks but
> no.
> >
> >
> > Good luck to you.
>
> Why has this become an issue over the last few
> years? How come when we were in school teenage
> brains were wired to do what our parents told us
> to do? Half the studies that go on now days are
> just people trying to justify a job. All you
> morons for sleep are the lazy ones. Admit it, you
> dont want to get up and get your kids off to
> school. Let them sleep and extra 30 min. and
> drive them in your pathetic little mini vans. I
> bet all the people pushing for sleep would not be
> doing this if they had kids in elem. school!


71 other Va. counties that start high school later are stupid, including Loudoun, right?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: farmer brown ()
Date: October 24, 2011 08:35AM

The reason counties other than Loudoun start when they do is because, when farming was the way to put food on the table, the older kids had to help with the chores. You surely don't think its because Bedford Co. has a higher intellect than the NOVA area, do you? Why Loudoun does it I have no clue. What are the start times for their elem. schools?
S

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Loudon county please check in ()
Date: October 24, 2011 08:48AM

What are your start times for HS,MS and ES?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Fact Checker ()
Date: October 24, 2011 09:49AM

The Last Emperor Must Go Wrote:
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> Ryan "I graduated from FCPS in 2007 & my daddy's a
> teacher" McElveen?
>
> Stuban - yes
> Mancheno - yes
> McElveen - NO. I am not voting for my neighbor's
> kid either.

McElveen graduated from FCPS in 2004, not 2007. Why do Catherine Lorenze and her Repubi-Nazis friends lie about EVERYTHING?

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: SLEEP it off ()
Date: October 24, 2011 07:22PM

How many of the 71 Virgina counties with later start times have only one or two high schools? Does SLEEP really think the logistics of rural counties should be compared to suburban counties? How naive and stupid.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: SLEEP it off ()
Date: October 24, 2011 07:30PM

My kids get up at 5:50AM. Yours? Wrote:
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> I am glad you are happy but many parents are not.
>
>
> We need FAIR sleep times.

I guess you think its fair that elementary kids stand around in the dark of winter?
Besides many (about 70%) parents, students, and teachers rejected Iteration 3, which was everything SLEEP wanted. Fairfax County doesn't want it. It's also interesting to note that SLEEP's online petition has only attracted 10,000 signatures (in how many years?) out of a county of 1 million people. That's just 1% of the county - not "many" in anybody's book.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Farmer Brown ()
Date: October 24, 2011 08:10PM

SLEEP it off Wrote:
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> How many of the 71 Virgina counties with later
> start times have only one or two high schools?
> Does SLEEP really think the logistics of rural
> counties should be compared to suburban counties?
> How naive and stupid.

+1 Well put!

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 24, 2011 09:44PM

SLEEP it off Wrote:
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> How many of the 71 Virgina counties with later
> start times have only one or two high schools?
> Does SLEEP really think the logistics of rural
> counties should be compared to suburban counties?
> How naive and stupid.

You don't think those schools have a 17 mile bus ride like the kids at Langley who live near Sugar Land Run?

Loudoun has 9 o'clock start time which of their schools has a 17 mile ride?

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: SLEEP it off ()
Date: October 24, 2011 09:51PM

Farmer Brown Wrote:
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> SLEEP it off Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How many of the 71 Virgina counties with later
> > start times have only one or two high schools?
> > Does SLEEP really think the logistics of rural
> > counties should be compared to suburban
> counties?
> > How naive and stupid.
>
> +1 Well put!

I'll answer my own question.

Based on VDOE data (see link below), 58% of Virginia's city/counties have only 1 high school and 81% have 3 or fewer high schools. Va Beach has the second most - 13 high schools. VDOE counts 32 high schools in Fairfax County.

SLEEP claims that 71 out of 95 counties have start times after 8am (no source for this claim, of course), I guess to make it look like Fairfax is out of step with the rest of Virginia. The data clearly shows that Fairfax IS the outlier, graduating over twice as many students as any other system.

Frankly, it doesn't matter what 71 other counties do, since their demographics clearly don't match ours. What does matter is that SLEEP continues to spout nonsense in a sad attempt to guilt people into giving in to their demands.

My source data: http://www.doe.virginia.gov/statistics_reports/graduation_completion/hs_grads_completers/2009-2010/grad_schl.xlsx

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 24, 2011 09:51PM

farmer brown Wrote:
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> The reason counties other than Loudoun start when
> they do is because, when farming was the way to
> put food on the table, the older kids had to help
> with the chores. You surely don't think its
> because Bedford Co. has a higher intellect than
> the NOVA area, do you? Why Loudoun does it I have
> no clue. What are the start times for their elem.
> schools?
> S


Unless your on a diary (and Fairfax was the largest dairy county) farm chores don't have done before a 9 am start time.

I think Bedford was more interested in the best interests of their high school kids than in maximizing the income of their bus drivers who want 3 runs instead of 2

I hear no complaints from Loudoun families that their elmentary kids are going to school in the dark.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 24, 2011 09:54PM

SLEEP it off Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Farmer Brown Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SLEEP it off Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How many of the 71 Virgina counties with
> later
> > > start times have only one or two high schools?
>
> > > Does SLEEP really think the logistics of
> rural
> > > counties should be compared to suburban
> > counties?
> > > How naive and stupid.
> >
> > +1 Well put!
>
> I'll answer my own question.
>
> Based on VDOE data (see link below), 58% of
> Virginia's city/counties have only 1 high school
> and 81% have 3 or fewer high schools. Va Beach
> has the second most - 13 high schools. VDOE
> counts 32 high schools in Fairfax County.
>
> SLEEP claims that 71 out of 95 counties have start
> times after 8am (no source for this claim, of
> course), I guess to make it look like Fairfax is
> out of step with the rest of Virginia. The data
> clearly shows that Fairfax IS the outlier,
> graduating over twice as many students as any
> other system.
>
> Frankly, it doesn't matter what 71 other counties
> do, since their demographics clearly don't match
> ours. What does matter is that SLEEP continues to
> spout nonsense in a sad attempt to guilt people
> into giving in to their demands.
>
> My source data:
> http://www.doe.virginia.gov/statistics_reports/gra
> duation_completion/hs_grads_completers/2009-2010/g
> rad_schl.xlsx


The later start time in other counties is the reason for the lower graduation rates? Seriously?

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: SLEEP it off ()
Date: October 24, 2011 09:59PM

Thomas More Wrote:
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> SLEEP it off Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How many of the 71 Virgina counties with later
> > start times have only one or two high schools?
> > Does SLEEP really think the logistics of rural
> > counties should be compared to suburban
> counties?
> > How naive and stupid.
>
> You don't think those schools (which schools?) have a 17 mile bus
> ride like the kids at Langley who live near Sugar
> Land Run (what's the point here)?
>
> Loudoun has 9 o'clock start time which of their
> schools has a 17 mile ride (nice run on sentence and what's the point here)?

I'm missing your point here, largely because of bad grammar and a lack of context. Try again.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: SLEEP it off ()
Date: October 24, 2011 10:03PM

Thomas More Wrote:
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> SLEEP it off Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Farmer Brown Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SLEEP it off Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > How many of the 71 Virgina counties with
> > later
> > > > start times have only one or two high
> schools?
> >
> > > > Does SLEEP really think the logistics of
> > rural
> > > > counties should be compared to suburban
> > > counties?
> > > > How naive and stupid.
> > >
> > > +1 Well put!
> >
> > I'll answer my own question.
> >
> > Based on VDOE data (see link below), 58% of
> > Virginia's city/counties have only 1 high
> school
> > and 81% have 3 or fewer high schools. Va Beach
> > has the second most - 13 high schools. VDOE
> > counts 32 high schools in Fairfax County.
> >
> > SLEEP claims that 71 out of 95 counties have
> start
> > times after 8am (no source for this claim, of
> > course), I guess to make it look like Fairfax
> is
> > out of step with the rest of Virginia. The
> data
> > clearly shows that Fairfax IS the outlier,
> > graduating over twice as many students as any
> > other system.
> >
> > Frankly, it doesn't matter what 71 other
> counties
> > do, since their demographics clearly don't
> match
> > ours. What does matter is that SLEEP continues
> to
> > spout nonsense in a sad attempt to guilt people
> > into giving in to their demands.
> >
> > My source data:
> >
> http://www.doe.virginia.gov/statistics_reports/gra
>
> >
> duation_completion/hs_grads_completers/2009-2010/g
>
> > rad_schl.xlsx
>
>
> The later start time in other counties is the
> reason for the lower graduation rates? Seriously?

Again, I don't get your point. I didn't say anything about graduation rates. I said Fairfax graduates twice as many students as any other school system. Try reading sometime.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 25, 2011 12:21AM

SLEEP it off Wrote:
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> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SLEEP it off Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How many of the 71 Virgina counties with
> later
> > > start times have only one or two high schools?
>
> > > Does SLEEP really think the logistics of
> rural
> > > counties should be compared to suburban
> > counties?
> > > How naive and stupid.
> >
> > You don't think those schools (which schools?)
> have a 17 mile bus
> > ride like the kids at Langley who live near
> Sugar
> > Land Run (what's the point here)?
> >
> > Loudoun has 9 o'clock start time which of their
> > schools has a 17 mile ride (nice run on sentence
> and what's the point here)?
>
> I'm missing your point here, largely because of
> bad grammar and a lack of context. Try again.


instead of giving an example of a 17 mile bus ride in Loudoun, you make specious allegation regarding grammar, thus conceding the point.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 25, 2011 12:23AM

SLEEP it off Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SLEEP it off Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Farmer Brown Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > SLEEP it off Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > How many of the 71 Virgina counties with
> > > later
> > > > > start times have only one or two high
> > schools?
> > >
> > > > > Does SLEEP really think the logistics of
> > > rural
> > > > > counties should be compared to suburban
> > > > counties?
> > > > > How naive and stupid.
> > > >
> > > > +1 Well put!
> > >
> > > I'll answer my own question.
> > >
> > > Based on VDOE data (see link below), 58% of
> > > Virginia's city/counties have only 1 high
> > school
> > > and 81% have 3 or fewer high schools. Va
> Beach
> > > has the second most - 13 high schools. VDOE
> > > counts 32 high schools in Fairfax County.
> > >
> > > SLEEP claims that 71 out of 95 counties have
> > start
> > > times after 8am (no source for this claim, of
> > > course), I guess to make it look like Fairfax
> > is
> > > out of step with the rest of Virginia. The
> > data
> > > clearly shows that Fairfax IS the outlier,
> > > graduating over twice as many students as any
> > > other system.
> > >
> > > Frankly, it doesn't matter what 71 other
> > counties
> > > do, since their demographics clearly don't
> > match
> > > ours. What does matter is that SLEEP
> continues
> > to
> > > spout nonsense in a sad attempt to guilt
> people
> > > into giving in to their demands.
> > >
> > > My source data:
> > >
> >
> http://www.doe.virginia.gov/statistics_reports/gra
>
> >
> > >
> >
> duation_completion/hs_grads_completers/2009-2010/g
>
> >
> > > rad_schl.xlsx
> >
> >
> > The later start time in other counties is the
> > reason for the lower graduation rates?
> Seriously?
>
> Again, I don't get your point. I didn't say
> anything about graduation rates. I said Fairfax
> graduates twice as many students as any other
> school system. Try reading sometime.


What does gross numbers of graduates has to do with start times? It's a non sequitar.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: go to bed earlier ()
Date: October 25, 2011 06:23AM

Parents need to help their students put away the tech devices and go to bed earlier. Then, change Langley HS boundaries so those students who live 12+ miles from school attend the high schools that are closer to their homes. They can sleep in a little longer, and it will conserve fuel, too.

But that isn't good enough for Langley or SLEEP. They want the entire county to do what suits them. The entitlement region. These are the same parents who will tell their kids' colleges that precious Connor or Colton will not be able to have college classes before 9 am on Monday mornings.

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Re: SLEEP not endorsing
Posted by: heard this sooo many times ()
Date: October 25, 2011 07:04AM

Thomas More Wrote:
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> SLEEP it off Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How many of the 71 Virgina counties with later
> > start times have only one or two high schools?
> > Does SLEEP really think the logistics of rural
> > counties should be compared to suburban
> counties?
> > How naive and stupid.
>
> You don't think those schools have a 17 mile bus
> ride like the kids at Langley who live near Sugar
> Land Run?
>
> Loudoun has 9 o'clock start time which of their
> schools has a 17 mile ride?


Thomas - are there any FCPS issue for you that cannot be traced to the Langley boundaries?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: elections ()
Date: October 25, 2011 08:57PM

Which candidate(s) for school board support the SLEEP proposals?

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Teenagers brains ()
Date: October 25, 2011 09:11PM

Teenage brains are wired to stay up later. They also need 8-9 hours of sleep a night to stay alert and make smart choices. Science has proven this. To say they do not deserve enough sleep is stupid.

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Re: SLEEP Coalition
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: October 26, 2011 09:04AM

go to bed earlier Wrote:
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>Connor or Colton will not be able to have college classes before 9 am on Monday mornings.<

colleges let kids set their own schedule.

professors, who need to keep their class enrollments high to keep their job, know to schedule their classes when kids want to show, i. e., after 9 am.

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