Hillside is not an option to get from Rolling Rd to Old Keene Mill for a while. The road is gone between Cameo and Moverly. Totally washed away

Well, no one should be using Hillside to get from Rolling to Old Keene Mill Road. Just because the road goes through, doesn't mean people shuold use it that way. Going from Rolling to Old Keene Mill? Um yeah, I need you to be a bud and not cut through my neighborhood. Just stay on Rolling and make the right on Old Keene Mill Road. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, k?

Oh, so you have the exclusive right to a public street that my taxes go to maintain? Socialist!

Wow Wrote:
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> Hillside is not an option to get from Rolling Rd
> to Old Keene Mill for a while. The road is gone
> between Cameo and Moverly. Totally washed away


I was cutting through on Hillside before you were born.

jdwalker Wrote:
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> Oh, so you have the exclusive right to a public
> street that my taxes go to maintain? Socialist!

I don't have a problem with people using the road to get from point A to point B. The issue is the sheer volume of cut-through traffic that utilizes Hillside to avoid the lights further down Rolling and Old Keene Mill. During both the morning and afternoon rush hours I'd say 90% of the traffic is cutting between Rolling Road and Old Keene Mill on its way to and from Huntsman Boulevard and the Parkway.

Hillside Road was never designed nor intended as a bypass for that amount of traffic. If it was, it would be four lanes wide with adequate intersections and control signals on either end so that it can handle the volume of traffic. It would also have a 40-45 mph speed limit. It does not. Additionally, if it were intended for this type of traffic, VDOT would clear snow from this road during the winter. VDOT has not ever adequately cleared the snow in the 12 years I've lived here.

I HATE speed bumps such as the ones installed along Southampton Drive, but I completely understand why they are there. The same inconsiderate fucks that speed through Hillside at 50mph that make my life miserable while trying to make a left turn out of my neighborhood ultimately cut through Southampton on their way to and from Braddock. Perhaps it's time to petition for speed bumps on Hillside, lower the speed limit to 25mph and insist on hard core enforcement of that limit by the police.

Hillside Rd is the ghetto of West Springfield. You've got boats parked along the road, probably havent been used in years. Jetskis, motorcycles, campers, you name it. What a filthy place. People are probably driving fast cause they're scared of getting robbed by the residents.

I have never driven on Hillside Road but I know how you guys feel. They do the same thing in my neighborhood. I won't mention it, just bring more traffic.

Hillside is a disgrace Wrote:
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> Hillside Rd is the ghetto of West Springfield.
> You've got boats parked along the road, probably
> havent been used in years. Jetskis, motorcycles,
> campers, you name it. What a filthy place.
> People are probably driving fast cause they're
> scared of getting robbed by the residents.


Clearly it's been awhile since you've been on the road. No boats etc for a while now thanks to some lame ass parking regulation.

Personally, I don't mind the traffic as it does get the road plowed more efficiently. And yes, I do disagree with "Another Hillside Road Resident", Hillside gets cleared better than Rolling and Old Keene Mill do usually. The exception was during 'snowmageddon' (for lack of a better term) when the nimwits that park on Hillside couldn't be bothered to shovel out their cars properly or park back in their spaces properly when they came back from wherever they go during the day.

i would gladly never use hillside as a cut thru ever again if they reopened Tuttle Rd. as a thru street instead of some fancy pants' driveway. just sayin.

geezer Wrote:
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> Wow Wrote:
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> >
>
> I was cutting through on Hillside before you were
> born.

...and how many 25-35 year olds were conceived on Hillside Drive? Kids, if your Mom went to WSHS circa 1980 and had you as a teenager, you might be a Hillside baby. Go ahead, ask your mom.

Hillside road has been cleared of boats, jetskis, old vehicles, etc. for years. An community parking district was established far before the entire Springfield area was approved for community parking regulations. Interestingly, almost all of those vehicles removed were owned by people in other areas using Hillside as a dumping ground. Hillside is now much better than nearby Burke and my friends' neighborhoods in Fair Oaks. The sidewalks are maintained, cleared and trimmed for walking on both sides of the road all the way from Rolling Road to Old Keene Mill. It is much better maintained than most of the communities off Huntsman and Sydenstricker - the homes communities of many of those that speed through Hillside in the morning and afternoon.

Interesting watching people drive around the "road closed" signs as they think they know better - only to be blocked by the barriers and have to turn around. Seems like the people cutting through don't read English.

The signs might more appropriately read "Road Gone."

Shadow Wrote:
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>
> Clearly it's been awhile since you've been on the
> road. No boats etc for a while now thanks to some
> lame ass parking regulation.
>

Why do you refer to it as a "lame ass" parking regulation? If people buy boats and jet skis, then they should take the responsibility of paying to appropriately have them stored - and, not put out on the streets with a lame plastic blue tarp over them.

I lived in a community - a newer community at that, which was getting polluted with boat trailers, trucks and garbage. I worked on a team of people to get enough signatures on the petition to take it to Fairfax County so we could get a restricted parking district established. In the end, we had enough signatures to get the district established, and our community cleaned up.

Oh, and before the restricted parking district was established, a motorcycle rider died early one morning when he ran into one of those randomly parked trailers.

I drove the road when the trailers were on it and never hit anything even when on-coming idiots would cross the double yellow line. I'm sorry the motorcyclist died, but the road was plenty wide enough. It's just another stupid regulation for the busybodies of the area to be proud of. Those same busybodies are probably the same people who claim to want less taxes and government, as long as it doesn't impact them.

Sure, the owners of those vehicles should store them on their own properties, but hey, they risk the vehicles getting wrecked or stolen when they leave them where ever. Now, there are idiots who don't know how to park their cars parking there. So what's the difference?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairfaxcounty/sets/72157627502665809/


or on this site and scroll down to the bottom to see a picture of Hillside near Cameo Square.



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> I drove the road when the trailers were on it and
> never hit anything even when on-coming idiots
> would cross the double yellow line. I'm sorry the
> motorcyclist died, but the road was plenty wide
> enough. It's just another stupid regulation for
> the busybodies of the area to be proud of. Those
> same busybodies are probably the same people who
> claim to want less taxes and government, as long
> as it doesn't impact them.
>
> Sure, the owners of those vehicles should store
> them on their own properties, but hey, they risk
> the vehicles getting wrecked or stolen when they
> leave them where ever. Now, there are idiots who
> don't know how to park their cars parking there.
> So what's the difference?

The wash out on Hillside was bad. It will make Old Keene Mill Rd very congested for the next few months!
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I wouldn't consider Hillside to be a ghetto.... just looked congested when it had all those boats. Aside from that one burglary a few years ago by those fake punks, I wouldn't think too many in the West Springfield area needs to rob anyone.

I also go down Hillside, but to get to Forrester. Am I still evil?

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DAMN!

I'm ignoring the troll that was complaining about cut through traffic.

I lived in this area when Tuttle road connected Rolling to Hillside. At some point around 1980 or so, a decision was made to close part of Tuttle for good.





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> The wash out on Hillside was bad. It will make Old
> Keene Mill Rd very congested for the next few
> months!

Video of damage on Hillside Drive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXAgP7orPkw

Cool video. Thank you.

You are welcome. Amazing what mother nature can do. Have a great week!

I'm waiting for one of the idiots that keep crossing the barricades to fall in. People are walking on that broken section thinking it's safe. The crack is considerably larger now than on Friday, partially due to idiots walking on it.

That's one hell of a washout.

The County distributed notices today stating the repairs could take 4 to 6 weeks. The whole roadway in that section will need to be re-engineered, including an upgrade to a concrete culvert.

It would be really nice if they upgraded the intersection with Old Keene Mill so that there are dedicated left and right turn lanes but I know that is wishful thinking.

you all are mad wack who sits there and complains about ppl taking shorcuts through hillside get a life the world is not ending because someone wants to take a short cut its a free countryyyyyyyy u dont own the damn street it happens everywhere there for STFU!

geezoe Wrote:
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> you all are mad wack who sits there and complains
> about ppl taking shorcuts through hillside get a
> life the world is not ending because someone wants
> to take a short cut its a free countryyyyyyyy u
> dont own the damn street it happens everywhere
> there for STFU!


Wow, only three posters complained about the cut through traffic out of about 25 posts. Perhaps you are the 'mad wack' sitting there complaining about others. The purpose of the thread was to enlighten others about the road being closed, not really anything to do with the traffic cutting through. THat's on a whole different thread.


What's a 'mad wack' anyway?

Shadow,
I was down in the area behind the townhouses. Walking along the creek bed, you can see where there is erosion in the soil *under the cracked pavement. That soil could go at any time.

The rain the other night didn't help make that road anymore stable.

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> I'm waiting for one of the idiots that keep
> crossing the barricades to fall in. People are
> walking on that broken section thinking it's safe.
> The crack is considerably larger now than on
> Friday, partially due to idiots walking on it.

Haha shadoww your the definition of "mad wack" hunny!

I live off Hillside and I too hate the "cut thru" traffic. It's faster to take Old Keene to Rolling and vice-versa, I've timed it multiple times. But you think speeding along a multiple-neighborhood street is OK because you pay taxes, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can drive the road and I can lobby to have 10 speed bumps put in between Sweet Maple & Moverly so you don't want to drive it. All with your tax money, thanks for paying on time.

Hillside is the only road I drive 10 MPH slower than the speed limit just to piss off you "shortcut" drivers. I also stop 10 feet back from the traffic light at Old Keene so you all can't make your right hand turns unless the light changes. I might even start stay there for a light signal cycle just to make you sit the twice as long.

You can pass off all those people who speed along Hillside as "A few bad apples", but it seems to be a big enough of an issue that they sit a speed trap over there atleast once a month.

I also have been witness to these morons that go around the "Road Closed" sign to only have to turn around.

Also, they did ban RV's and boats off Hillside a couple years ago.

You can drive the road and I can lobby to have 10 speed bumps put in between Sweet Maple & Moverly so you don't want to drive it. All with your tax money, thanks for paying on time.

The posted limit (>25mph), road classification (urban collector) and the fact that the majority of the homes on your "community street" don't even front the road actually dictate that you cannot put in speed bumps. Even if you could, due to spacing requirements you couldn't get 10 speed bumps on the entire length of the roadway. Go ahead and keep dreaming though.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/fcdot/rtap.htm#traffic_calm

not the case Wrote:
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>
> The posted limit (>25mph), road classification
> (urban collector) and the fact that the majority
> of the homes on your "community street" don't even
> front the road actually dictate that you cannot
> put in speed bumps. Even if you could, due to
> spacing requirements you couldn't get 10 speed
> bumps on the entire length of the roadway. Go
> ahead and keep dreaming though.
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/fcdot/rtap.htm#traffi
> c_calm

Re-read the criteria. The only disqualification for traffic calming measures (speed bumps) on Hillside is the current 30 mph speed limit. There is no criteria for the number of houses fronting the road for traffic calming as there are for cut-through restrictions. Bauer Road has traffic calming measures installed. There's no reason the same could not be pushed through for Hillside. Well, aside from the lack of funds from VDOT...

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-Local residential, collector or minor arterial road with a posted speed limit of 25 miles-per-hour (mph)
-Traffic volume of 600 to 6000 vehicles per day
-If a minor arterial road, the traffic volume must be less than or equal to 15,000 vehicles per day and traffic calming devices must exist on the same street in an incorporated city or town within one quarter mile
-85th percentile speed of vehicles greater than or equal to 35 mph limit or the average speed of vehicles is greater than or equal to 30 mph

AFTERNOON!!
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Well, as someone who lives in another community that has a road that people use to "get from one place to another", I certainly understand your position.
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But.....as a taxpayer, I will use ANY tax-funded road to get wherever I need to get.

Thanks.

tim mcbride (a taxpayer) Wrote:
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> AFTERNOON!!
> ------------------
> Well, as someone who lives in another community
> that has a road that people use to "get from one
> place to another", I certainly understand your
> position.
> -----------------
> But.....as a taxpayer, I will use ANY tax-funded
> road to get wherever I need to get.
>
> Thanks.

Good afternoon.

As a tax payer, you are entitled to use any public road, as am I. All the residents of the neighborhood are asking for that the tax paying public do so in a respectful manner. You may be respectful, but many are not. If traffic calming measures were enacted and tax paying interlopers still want to deal with a 25 mph speed limit, additional $200 fines for speeding and speedbumps, more power to 'em.

It would be nice if FCDOT and VDOT recognized the high level of utilization and at the very least improved the intersections at either end of Hillside. It will be interesting to see if traffic pattern changes resulting from BRAC forces this issue to the forefront for more residents of the neighborhood. Perhaps then there will be motivation to calm the traffic flow and encourage use of the major arterial roads like Old Keene Mill and Rolling.

Traffic Observer Wrote:
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> not the case Wrote:
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> >
> > The posted limit (>25mph), road classification
> > (urban collector) and the fact that the
> majority
> > of the homes on your "community street" don't
> even
> > front the road actually dictate that you cannot
> > put in speed bumps. Even if you could, due to
> > spacing requirements you couldn't get 10 speed
> > bumps on the entire length of the roadway. Go
> > ahead and keep dreaming though.
> >
> >
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/fcdot/rtap.htm#traffi
>
> > c_calm
>
> Re-read the criteria. The only disqualification
> for traffic calming measures (speed bumps) on
> Hillside is the current 30 mph speed limit. There
> is no criteria for the number of houses fronting
> the road for traffic calming as there are for
> cut-through restrictions. Bauer Road has traffic
> calming measures installed. There's no reason the
> same could not be pushed through for Hillside.
> Well, aside from the lack of funds from VDOT...
>
>
>
> -Local residential, collector or minor arterial
> road with a posted speed limit of 25
> miles-per-hour (mph)
> -Traffic volume of 600 to 6000 vehicles per day
> -If a minor arterial road, the traffic volume must
> be less than or equal to 15,000 vehicles per day
> and traffic calming devices must exist on the same
> street in an incorporated city or town within one
> quarter mile
> -85th percentile speed of vehicles greater than or
> equal to 35 mph limit or the average speed of
> vehicles is greater than or equal to 30 mph
>

And there actually are homes on Hillside. Probably could even get the speed limit reduced to 25 because of that.

PErsonally, I have no desire for any of the above.

Really, I don't either. I hate speed bumps and unnecessarily low speed limits. I just want to be able to left onto Hillside from my subdivision in the morning without getting run down by a train of cars. I'm venting. I realize that nothing will ever be done to improve the situation. However, I am enjoying the respite while the road is closed for repairs. I do feel a little bit sorry for the folks that ride the 18G

Hiside road is ghetto, my car was jacked 5 times, my house was robbed , theres drive bye shootings, meth labs and crack houses on every block. And the most corrupt cops , ive seen a cop shoot a little boy for taking to long to cross the street.

^^ dunno about all that but i use to drive through there earlly mornings to get to work i saw a lot of smashed in car windows and break-ins.