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"They" say it is good for your teeth, while they also fail to point out that it is a by-product of the production of aluminum and is a deadly poison...
So how much poison do you want in your water ?
curious

> ...is a deadly poison...

Oh brother.

Here - you need this:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Research anyone ?? Try it sometime...

Why do you think toothpaste tells parents to call CDC if their children swallow Fluoridated toothpaste ...

Are there actually people dumb enough to believe that the government can take a toxin like fluoride and somehow determine precisely what amount of it is safe to drink?

Thank you...

The bigger issue is that they're putting salt in the food. Salt is a poison, it will kill you if you eat too much. How can we trust McDonalds to take a poison like sodium chloride and somehow determine precisely what amount of it is safe to put on french fries?

All public water sources have fluoride added.

If you're on well water or filter your drinking water through a reverse osmosis system, then no, you don't have any fluoride in your water and your dentist will recommend you give your children fluoride tablets once a day which are available at your pharmacy with a prescription.

Snapple Wrote:
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> The bigger issue is that they're putting salt in
> the food. Salt is a poison, it will kill you if
> you eat too much. How can we trust McDonalds to
> take a poison like sodium chloride and somehow
> determine precisely what amount of it is safe to
> put on french fries?

LOL. This is the best analogy you could come up with? You're comparing something which is present naturally in virtually all foods to fluoride?

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're not a rocket scientist. :-)

Is there a way to add flouride to water? We have a reverse osmosis and would like to add flouride inline.

It's a Communist plot, obviously.

I'M A FIVE-STAR MAN!!

There is a warning on toothpaste that if a pea sized amount is ingested by a child under six to contact poison control. This is the same amount of Fluoride in a glass of water. Where is the logic in that?

This link will explain it in detail.
http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

Truth be told, fluoride is toxic, more toxic than lead. You should be researching it. The so-called "benefits" of fluoride are nothing more than propaganda and science fraud. What fluoride does is delay the eruption of children's teeth by up to two years, thus giving the illusion it fights tooth decay. All the previous studies were flawed because they didn't take into account the number of teeth that had erupted in the children being studied.

Just take a look and see what is in your tap water.https://www.earthislandprojects.org/eijournal/fluoride/fluoride_phosphates.html

Technically, artificially fluoridating drinking water is a violation of the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA).

See what the country of Ireland thinks of the "wonders" of fluoridation:
http://www.thenhfireland.com/?p=454

"Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century, if not all time."
– Robert Carton, Ph.D., Toxicologist
http://johnston-independent.com/fluoride_fraud.html

There are actually MORE dentists per capita in fluoridated areas of the USA than non-fluoridated areas because it INCREASES business. And it DOESN'T reduce tooth decay!! The fluoride hypothesis is based on a statistical illusion. It's fraudulent science and it causes many health problems in both children and adults. Trendley Dean, DDS, (the "father of fluoridation"), the original promoter of water fluoridation as an effective tool in fighting dental decay, admitted over 50 years ago under oath, that his evidence purporting to prove the fluoridation hypothesis were not valid. (H. Trendley Dean: Proceedings, City of Oroville vs. Public Utilities Commission of the State of California, Oroville, California, Oroville, California, October 20-21, 1955.)… also… (See 4-1: “Fluoridation Benefits — Statistical Illusion.” Testimony of Konstantin K. Paluev, Research and Development Engineer, Mar. 6, 1957).

All Trendley Dean's research showed was that fluoride delayed (or retarded), the eruption of individual teeth in children by six months to two years, therefore teeth are only delayed at getting cavities. If teeth haven't come through the gums yet, teeth will naturally not be capable of forming cavities. After the teenage years, there are actually more cavities in those who use fluoridation. Fluoride is toxic and makes both teeth and bones brittle. To paraphrase Dean's findings, "As children's teeth disintegrate, they may have fewer cavities". It's good money for the dental industry. Fluoride is more toxic than lead yet they dump it in our tap water. It lowers the IQ's of children. It increases a woman's chances of having a Down's Syndrome baby by 30%. It allows aluminum to cross the blood-brain barrier thus increasing one's risk for Alzheimer's Disease. It causes hypothyroidism. (once used to treat hyperthyroidism) It causes arthritis and bone fractures. It kills the protective enzymes naturally in your mouth which fight cavities. You absorb fluoride through your skin while bathing and under your tongue when using a fluoridated toothpaste. There is a warning on toothpaste that if a pea sized amount is ingested by a child under six to contact poison control. This is the same amount of Fluoride in a glass of water! Fluoride is in many pharmaceuticals, like Prozac. It's a neurotoxin. The fluoride being put in tap water is an industrial waste by-product...mostly from the fertilizer industry. Much of it is imported from China. Worse yet, no one is monitoring our levels of fluoride... not the medical profession or the dentists. There are over 500 peer-reviewed studies showing the adverse effects of fluoride but not one double-blind study showing it's benefits. Most of the countries that at one time fluoridated tap water have now discontinued the practice and there has been no increase in cavities. The use of fluoride in tap water hasn't even been approved by the FDA.

Fluoride in tap water is killing horses and dogs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58EpAdnQN0

Two other must see videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58EpAdnQN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9daqPRUWpMc&feature=related

See why Americans even use fluoride...
http://qualityassurance.synthasite.com/fluoride-and-the-atomic-bomb.php

There simply is no "good side" to fluoride, period.

So you're saying there isnt a way to re add it to my reverse osmosis

Any efforts/chance to get it out of our water? I can't afford a whole-house reverse osmosis system.

Just buy distilled water in those huge containers. Then add some mineral additives from the health food store.

You'll be golden.

Paul Warburg Wrote:
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> Any efforts/chance to get it out of our water? I
> can't afford a whole-house reverse osmosis system.

http://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/

Fact is, like a lot of things (Tylenol and water come to mind), fluoride can be either good or bad for you depending on how much you get. In small amounts the stuff is definitely salubrious. Though a few holdouts still argue, most research I've seen credits fluoridation with the sharp drop in tooth decay seen throughout the developed world over the past 40 years. In the U.S., 67 percent of those drinking public water get fluoride in it and tooth decay has fallen 68 percent since the late 60s, leading the Centers for Disease Control to call water fluoridation one of the top ten public-health achievements of the 20th century. Too much of a good thing, on the other hand - and we're talking milligrams per kilo of body weight, not gallons - and you've got problems, ranging from stained teeth and upset stomach to death.

Although fluoride's contribution to healthy teeth had been suspected earlier, the guy chiefly responsible for getting people to focus on the usefulness of having it in drinking water is Dr. Frederick McKay, who in 1909 began investigating a tooth discoloration so common among residents of Colorado Springs that it was known as "Colorado brown stain." After peering into the mouths of nearly 3,000 kids in the area and finding that 87 percent had stained teeth, McKay and colleagues went on to establish that (a) such teeth were unusually resistant to serious cavities and (b) the cause of both phenomena was the naturally high fluoride level in the local water supply. After further research showed that one part per million of fluoride in drinking water reduced tooth decay with minimal risk of stained teeth, Grand Rapids, Michigan, became the first city to artificially fluoridate its water in 1945. Thousands of other municipalities have done so since.

For years antifluoridationists were mainly paranoids who thought it was all a Bolshevik plot. Today they're still paranoid, but they've polished up their arguments. A sample:

1. Fluoride is industrial/mining waste. Fluorosilicic acid, a common fluoridating agent, is a by-product of phosphate fertilizer production, and phosphates are mined, so technically I guess you could say fluoride is mining waste. Big deal. Lots of useful commodities are made as a by-product of other processes, such as gypsum from burning coal and molasses from sugar refining. The suggestion that fertilizer tycoons have suckered the country into fluoridating drinking water to simplify disposal of their toxic waste is, to be gentle, a reach.

2. Fluoride can be poisonous. Yup. In 1993 dozens of Mississippi residents were sickened by tap water with fluoride levels as much as 200 times the recommended amount; the year before, an accident at an Alaskan water treatment plant resulted in one death due to fluoride poisoning. A toddler who scarfs a tube of fluoridated toothpaste risks acute fluoride toxicity, symptoms of which include the aforementioned stomach upset or worse. True, these are overdoses and thus preventable with reasonable care, but you'll also find claims that long-term exposure to lesser amounts of fluoride can lead to skeletal and kidney damage, learning disabilities and brain disorders, thyroid problems, allergies, and birth defects including Down syndrome. Notwithstanding the occasional disturbing finding, support for these contentions is weak, although the CDC did issue a statement that one study showed a potential increase in osteosarcoma, a rare bone cancer, in young males who drink fluoridated water.

3. Fluoridation has been (literally) shoved down the throat of the American public. This one's the toughest to refute. The dirty little secret among water fluoridation advocates is that while tooth decay has declined dramatically in places that fluoridate their water, it's dropped equally fast in places that don't. There's some debate about why, but surely in large part it's because people who don't get fluoride out of the tap are getting it from other sources, including not just fluoridated toothpaste but, in countries such as Germany and France, fluoridated table salt. If Sylvie or Fritz worries that fluoride will make their hair fall out, they can buy nonfluoridated products. Americans drinking fluoridated water don't have that option. Water fluoridation advocates say never mind the philosophy, we've got a system that works, don't fix it if it ain't broke, etc. Fine, but it's odd to have Europeans advocating choice while here in the land of liberty we know what's good for you, so shut up and drink.

— Cecil Adams

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Fact is, like a lot of things (Tylenol and water
> come to mind), fluoride can be either good or bad
> for you depending on how much you get. In small
> amounts the stuff is definitely salubrious. Though
> a few holdouts still argue, most research I've
> seen credits fluoridation with the sharp drop in
> tooth decay seen throughout the developed world
> over the past 40 years. In the U.S., 67 percent of
> those drinking public water get fluoride in it and
> tooth decay has fallen 68 percent since the late
> 60s, leading the Centers for Disease Control to
> call water fluoridation one of the top ten
> public-health achievements of the 20th century.
> Too much of a good thing, on the other hand - and
> we're talking milligrams per kilo of body weight,
> not gallons - and you've got problems, ranging
> from stained teeth and upset stomach to death.
>
> Although fluoride's contribution to healthy teeth
> had been suspected earlier, the guy chiefly
> responsible for getting people to focus on the
> usefulness of having it in drinking water is Dr.
> Frederick McKay, who in 1909 began investigating a
> tooth discoloration so common among residents of
> Colorado Springs that it was known as "Colorado
> brown stain." After peering into the mouths of
> nearly 3,000 kids in the area and finding that 87
> percent had stained teeth, McKay and colleagues
> went on to establish that (a) such teeth were
> unusually resistant to serious cavities and (b)
> the cause of both phenomena was the naturally high
> fluoride level in the local water supply. After
> further research showed that one part per million
> of fluoride in drinking water reduced tooth decay
> with minimal risk of stained teeth, Grand Rapids,
> Michigan, became the first city to artificially
> fluoridate its water in 1945. Thousands of other
> municipalities have done so since.
>
> For years antifluoridationists were mainly
> paranoids who thought it was all a Bolshevik plot.
> Today they're still paranoid, but they've polished
> up their arguments. A sample:
>
> 1. Fluoride is industrial/mining waste.
> Fluorosilicic acid, a common fluoridating agent,
> is a by-product of phosphate fertilizer
> production, and phosphates are mined, so
> technically I guess you could say fluoride is
> mining waste. Big deal. Lots of useful commodities
> are made as a by-product of other processes, such
> as gypsum from burning coal and molasses from
> sugar refining. The suggestion that fertilizer
> tycoons have suckered the country into
> fluoridating drinking water to simplify disposal
> of their toxic waste is, to be gentle, a reach.
>
> 2. Fluoride can be poisonous. Yup. In 1993 dozens
> of Mississippi residents were sickened by tap
> water with fluoride levels as much as 200 times
> the recommended amount; the year before, an
> accident at an Alaskan water treatment plant
> resulted in one death due to fluoride poisoning. A
> toddler who scarfs a tube of fluoridated
> toothpaste risks acute fluoride toxicity, symptoms
> of which include the aforementioned stomach upset
> or worse. True, these are overdoses and thus
> preventable with reasonable care, but you'll also
> find claims that long-term exposure to lesser
> amounts of fluoride can lead to skeletal and
> kidney damage, learning disabilities and brain
> disorders, thyroid problems, allergies, and birth
> defects including Down syndrome. Notwithstanding
> the occasional disturbing finding, support for
> these contentions is weak, although the CDC did
> issue a statement that one study showed a
> potential increase in osteosarcoma, a rare bone
> cancer, in young males who drink fluoridated
> water.
>
> 3. Fluoridation has been (literally) shoved down
> the throat of the American public. This one's the
> toughest to refute. The dirty little secret among
> water fluoridation advocates is that while tooth
> decay has declined dramatically in places that
> fluoridate their water, it's dropped equally fast
> in places that don't. There's some debate about
> why, but surely in large part it's because people
> who don't get fluoride out of the tap are getting
> it from other sources, including not just
> fluoridated toothpaste but, in countries such as
> Germany and France, fluoridated table salt. If
> Sylvie or Fritz worries that fluoride will make
> their hair fall out, they can buy nonfluoridated
> products. Americans drinking fluoridated water
> don't have that option. Water fluoridation
> advocates say never mind the philosophy, we've got
> a system that works, don't fix it if it ain't
> broke, etc. Fine, but it's odd to have Europeans
> advocating choice while here in the land of
> liberty we know what's good for you, so shut up
> and drink.
>
> — Cecil Adams

tl;dr

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Fact is, like a lot of things (Tylenol and water
> come to mind), fluoride can be either good or bad
> for you depending on how much you get. In small
> amounts the stuff is definitely salubrious. Though
> a few holdouts still argue, most research I've
> seen credits fluoridation with the sharp drop in
> tooth decay seen throughout the developed world
> over the past 40 years.

A good number of countries in Europe don't add fluoride to their water and their tooth decay rates decreased just like ours did over the same time period. Wonder how that's possible?

Simple. As dental hygiene became more widely practiced in the last few decades, tooth decay rates plummeted.

Fluoridation has nothing to do with it.

Most rural people (the majority of the population) didn't even brush their teeth 50-100 years ago. That goes for the USA and Europe.

Thank you for bringing up this very important underreported topic.

Fluoride has no mechanism of action for preventing tooth decay. Fluoride displaces bone tissue and makes bones (not just teeth, how would that work?) brittle. Imagine a tree branch with all the sap sucked out. Everyone I meet in this stinkin' town has visible fluorosis. Fluoride kills the thyroid by displacing iodine. The thyroid cannot repair itself. You will need to be on thyroid replacement hormone for the rest of your life.

In other words, this is concrete observable fact that fluoride is bad. All the correlational studies about low expenditure on dentistry have absolutely no meaning whatsoever.

Alex Jonestein (nice name), why distilled and not reverse osmosis? Secondly, drinking fresh unfluoridated water is simple enough, but what about bathing in it?

I just got a Fairfax County Water Report. They measured 1ppm. The Federal government lowered the suggested dosage to .7ppm recently, to cover themselves from potential lawsuits. Fluorosis is the next big thing. Fairfax County is playing word-games by saying they now add only .7ppm, but the measured amount just happens to be much higher. Some of it is likely naturally occurring, but the secret here is that they don't really measure how much they add. They buy bags of unpurified industrial waste from China and the amount of fluoride is a guess.

I'd really like to know if there have been any efforts to get it out of the water here.

Paul Warburg, major kudos and thank yous for bringing up this thread!

I too would love info about anti-fluoride activism in FFX.

Distilled water is the closest you're ever going to get to pure H2O. It's the water analytical chemists use in testing because of its absolute purity.

I've worked in such labs before. I recall one time the distiller stopped working and we used the gallon jugs of distilled water from the store. Usually they cost just under a dollar. There was no effect in the testing standards. It is pure as pure can be.

If you are worried about a lack of minerals, you can buy concentrated mineral salt solutions in health food stores. A couple drops in your glass or bottle of water and you're good to go.

Whether you believe that flouride is "good" for you or "bad" for you is a decision that YOU should make and not anyone else FOR you. Is there a grassroots group of citizens with any traction with the desire to remove flouride from county water and return the choice back to the people ( where it really belongs )? Is this an opportunity for taking some meaningful action? What do you think...?

I LIKE TEETH

Got that. If you believe that flouride promotes dental health then brush your teeth with it or gargle with it. Why drink it? Shower in it? And otherwise ingest it? It doesn't have to be in the water. There's plenty of science which identifies flouride as toxic. Be that as it may, it should be an INDIVIDUAL'S CHOICE to ingest the stuff and not a decision that is made FOR you.

It turned me gay

Fluoride is of the DEVIL!

Fluoride is the source of ALL COMMUNISM!!!

GOD HATES FLUORIDE!!

Get you ass back to Westboro!!!

Paul Warburg Wrote:
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> Fluoride has no mechanism of action for preventing
> tooth decay. Fluoride displaces bone tissue and
> makes bones (not just teeth, how would that work?)
> brittle. Imagine a tree branch with all the sap
> sucked out. Everyone I meet in this stinkin' town
> has visible fluorosis. Fluoride kills the thyroid
> by displacing iodine. The thyroid cannot repair
> itself. You will need to be on thyroid replacement
> hormone for the rest of your life.
>
> In other words, this is concrete observable fact
> that fluoride is bad. All the correlational
> studies about low expenditure on dentistry have
> absolutely no meaning whatsoever.
>
> Alex Jonestein (nice name), why distilled and not
> reverse osmosis? Secondly, drinking fresh
> unfluoridated water is simple enough, but what
> about bathing in it?
>
> I just got a Fairfax County Water Report. They
> measured 1ppm. The Federal government lowered the
> suggested dosage to .7ppm recently, to cover
> themselves from potential lawsuits. Fluorosis is
> the next big thing. Fairfax County is playing
> word-games by saying they now add only .7ppm, but
> the measured amount just happens to be much
> higher. Some of it is likely naturally occurring,
> but the secret here is that they don't really
> measure how much they add. They buy bags of
> unpurified industrial waste from China and the
> amount of fluoride is a guess.
>
> I'd really like to know if there have been any
> efforts to get it out of the water here.

You're about, what, 50 years late on this? If fluoride had all the bad effects the know-nothings claim, we'd have evidence of that by now. That's, like, science.

The debate over whether it should be optional or not is valid; the debate over whether it's efficacious is not. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

In any case, a gummint initiative to do something that scientists universally agree is beneficial is hardly groundbreaking or unheard of.

Of course, Liberarians will disagree; but they'd also support universal private firemen, police, and roads. That's not what most people call "society".

You anti-fluoride people are funny. Get out your tin hats. The real problem are the nanobots placed inside the water that are slowly altering your DNA. Duh!

Someone With A Brain Wrote:
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>
> You're about, what, 50 years late on this? If
> fluoride had all the bad effects the know-nothings
> claim, we'd have evidence of that by now. That's,
> like, science.
>
> The debate over whether it should be optional or
> not is valid; the debate over whether it's
> efficacious is not. You're entitled to your own
> opinion, but not to your own facts.
>
> In any case, a gummint initiative to do something
> that scientists universally agree is beneficial is
> hardly groundbreaking or unheard of.
>
> Of course, Liberarians will disagree; but they'd
> also support universal private firemen, police,
> and roads. That's not what most people call
> "society".


They're nutty, but you're equally dumb in your own way as is typical for know-it-alls like yourself.

Fact is that there are a number of uncertainties and scientific disagreement regarding various aspects of fluoride and levels of exposure as are reflected in EPA's reassessment done as recently as 2011 and NRC's review in 2006:

http://water.epa.gov/action/advisories/drinking/fluoride_index.cfm
http://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/nrc/NRC-2006.pdf

Strange that NRC would have recommended revisiting the matter given more recent information and models and that EPA would concede that further research is needed in various areas since we know everything already and scientists "universally agree" huh? lol

Virtually nobody questions that fluoride is effective re cavity prevention. Some reasonable people do question (and EPA in fact enforceably limits) levels of exposure and longer-term effects and some have issues around the "gummint" forcing indiscriminate consumption of something which can be otherwise easily provided more selectively in other ways. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to understand that there are many things that we did for a long time that we've since reconsidered as more information became available. Which is why, as above, a whole bunch of scientists and regulators thought it worthwhile to reassess fluoride and continue to review various aspects of fluoridation and related health effects. That's, like, science...

Does stuff like this bring out the whack jobs? Absolutely. But people like you really aren't much better than them. You also likely believe that scientists "universally agree" re all aspects of climate change as well. lol

I have absolutely no opinion on this topic whatsoever.

But as a neutral observer I can't help but notice that the anti-fluoride people have posted numerous factoids and links to backup their position while the pro-fluoride crowd has resorted to name calling and has yet to post anything relevant to support their argument.

Interesting...

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@tt - yeah, cause it's ALWAYS best to use cartoons to determine health regs LoLz

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @tt - yeah, cause it's ALWAYS best to use cartoons
> to determine health regs LoLz
>
> pic unrelated


Says the guy who then posts his own cartoon. lol

BTW, lots of things are regulated at far less than 1 ppm concentrations. Lead, arsenic, asbestos, etc., etc.

Goose vs Gander Wrote:
> BTW, lots of things are regulated at far less than
> 1 ppm concentrations. Lead, arsenic, asbestos,
> etc., etc.

Huh? What's your point?

@and - same as every anti-fluoride nut. That fluoride is KGB conspiracy, something like that. They never bother to point out facts like for example, lead is present like TEN TIMES more present IN YOUR BLOOD!!! - http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=7&po=8 - than the crap they put in the water.

@Goose - as for fluoride being all toxic? I dunno how hungry YOUR FAT ASS IS, but we normal ppl arent chomping down on the Fluoride like apparently y'all ppl are at yr house LoLz

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @and - same as every anti-fluoride nut. That
> fluoride is KGB conspiracy, something like that.
> They never bother to point out facts like for
> example, lead is present like TEN TIMES more
> present IN YOUR BLOOD!!! -
> http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=7&po=8
> - than the crap they put in the water.
>
> @Goose - as for fluoride being all toxic? I
> dunno how hungry YOUR FAT ASS IS, but we normal
> ppl arent chomping down on the Fluoride like
> apparently y'all ppl are at yr house LoLz
>
> pic unrelated


Nobody said that it was toxic dumbass. Well, it is at some level but that's not so much the concern.

And as far as lead being present in your blood at a higher level than the EPA water quality limit, it's not really. At least it shouldn't be. Those are BLL trigger guidelines for exposure. The difference in the blood level versus water concentration limits reflects that lead accumulates. i.e., the latter adds up over time, the former is that accumulated total.

Loosey Goosey Wrote:
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> Nobody said that it was toxic dumbass. Well, it
> is at some level but that's not so much the
> concern.

so yr arguement is that it's not toxic, but wait it is? Scott Lehman made arguements to me the same way last year. Not. Really. Helping. Your. Case.


> And as far as lead being present in your blood at
> a higher level than the EPA water quality limit,
> it's not really. At least it shouldn't be. Those
> are BLL trigger guidelines for exposure. The
> difference in the blood level versus water
> concentration limits reflects that lead
> accumulates. i.e., the latter adds up over time,
> the former is that accumulated total.

that's the other argument you always hear - "it'll build up over time, Gordo - so by time yr dead, it could maybe cause you some permanent damage to ya!"

we've heard it all before, friend..................

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> so yr arguement is that it's not toxic, but wait
> it is? Scott Lehman made arguements to me the
> same way last year. Not. Really. Helping.
> Your. Case.


No dumbfuck. You're just too stupid to know the difference between toxicity and have various deleterious effects.

"In March, 2006, the National Academy of Sciences National Research Council (NRC) released the Report: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA’s Standards. The NRC (2006) noted that “in light of the collected evidence of various health endpoints and total exposure to fluoride, the committee concludes the EPA’s MCLG of 4 mg/L should be lowered.”

They further suggested that, in order to develop an MCLG that is protective against severe enamel fluorosis, clinical stage II skeletal fluorosis and bone fractures, EPA should:

- Apply current approaches for quantifying dose-response where feasible,
- Consider susceptible populations,
- Characterize uncertainties and variability, and
- Provide better estimates of total exposure for individuals.

http://water.epa.gov/action/advisories/drinking/upload/Fluoride_dose_response.pdf

But, yeah, I'm just making shit up. lol

>
> that's the other argument you always hear - "it'll
> build up over time, Gordo - so by time yr dead, it
> could maybe cause you some permanent damage to
> ya!"
>
> we've heard it all before,
> friend..................
>


Ah OK.. So you're saying that, in your vast experience (lol!), lead exposure isn't a problem. Tell it to CDC and EPA. It's their standards and limits WHICH YOU CITED (not understanding the distinction) not mine, friend......... lol

Gordon Blvd, I wonder what you think about male infant circumcision. Does it prevent AIDS like scientists say? Aren't scientific authorities just mouthpieces for industry? Where does fluoride come from? When you say that 1ppm is the most desireable ammount, why does the EPA now reccoment .7ppm? How is public water fluoridation an efficient delivery mechanism when 99% of tap water is not used for drinking? What happens if a small child takes a long bath in fluoride, will he ingest more than the very precise window of what is considered optimal? Paul Warburg pointed out that fluoride damages the thyroid, directly. There were over 100 million perscriptions for thyroid medications last year. Thyroid patients are advised to avoid all sources of fluoride. What do you say to this? Do these people not deserve the liberty of bodily integrity?

...I find myself on the same side as Gordon Blvd.

Tomorrow's forecast: Frogs and blood, with chance of asteroids.

@Apocalypse - hurts, dont it? ;)
@Jay - why is it all y'all crazy ppl start ranting off about some offtopic thing? THIS IS NOT ABOUT MALE INFANT CIRCUMCISION. THIS IS NOT ABOUT AIDS! Try and keep up, k?
@Pesky - wow. cool story,bro. maybe you've got too much Fluoride up yr butt? i dunno? Not gonna convenience me like that, just to letcha know. Damn, but your comment made this one HILARIOUS in retrospect LoLz

Re: Is all of Fairfax County fluoridated?
Posted by: If its so crazy, then... ()
Date: February 26, 2013 01:06PM

I have absolutely no opinion on this topic whatsoever.

But as a neutral observer I can't help but notice that the anti-fluoride people have posted numerous factoids and links to backup their position while the pro-fluoride crowd has resorted to name calling and has yet to post anything relevant to support their argument.

Interesting.........................

ROFLMAO!

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Pesky - wow. cool story,bro. maybe you've got
> too much Fluoride up yr butt? i dunno? Not gonna
> convenience me like that, just to letcha know.
> Damn, but your comment made this one HILARIOUS in
> retrospect LoLz
>
> Re: Is all of Fairfax County fluoridated?
> Posted by: If its so crazy, then... ()
> Date: February 26, 2013 01:06PM
>
> I have absolutely no opinion on this topic
> whatsoever.
>
> But as a neutral observer I can't help but notice
> that the anti-fluoride people have posted numerous
> factoids and links to backup their position while
> the pro-fluoride crowd has resorted to name
> calling and has yet to post anything relevant to
> support their argument.
>
> Interesting.........................
>
> ROFLMAO!


Not trying to 'convenience' you. Just giving you a chance to expose your ass as usual when ya got nuthin. LoLz

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> Not trying to 'convenience' you. Just giving you
> a chance to expose your ass as usual when ya got
> nuthin. LoLz
>


what are you stupid? I dont have to say shit as in case you didnt notice, I'm not arguing to take fluoride out of the water ................

or are you so fucking self entitled that you actually believe I need to convince you that the County needs to keep Fluoride in the water?


NO WAY!?!?! THAT CANT BE IT, CAN IT!!!? you seriously are thinking that one needs to explain to you that...................oh my Lord. ROFLMAO!!!!
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I'm guessing few on this thread eat preprocessed foods. The soda that I just finished drinking contains 11 ingredients, with water being the only one most of us would consider "natural". There is the issue of what chemicals might leach into the water while it is travelling from the purification plant to our taps. Then there is the bacteria that are growing in many of the taps in the county, plus the possibility of contamination of whatever we are drinking the water from. This is all before even considering the chemicals naturally present in the water or which we have introduced into the water that may not get filtered out. And despite all of these health risks, water born diseases are at lower levels than in the past.

Seems like there is far more to worry about than flouride in the water.

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> >
> > Not trying to 'convenience' you. Just giving
> you
> > a chance to expose your ass as usual when ya
> got
> > nuthin. LoLz
> >
>
>
> what are you stupid? I dont have to say shit as
> in case you didnt notice, I'm not arguing to take
> fluoride out of the water ................
>
> or are you so fucking self entitled that you
> actually believe I need to convince you that the
> County needs to keep Fluoride in the water?
>
>
> NO WAY!?!?! THAT CANT BE IT, CAN IT!!!? you
> seriously are thinking that one needs to explain
> to you that...................oh my Lord.
> ROFLMAO!!!!


WTF are you babbling about now? Was that English? lol

Don't get all upset Gordum. I'm sorry. Really......

Bill.N. just scared me off water.

I will to wine! Wrote:
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> Bill.N. just scared me off water.

Well there was a reason why in "earlier times" our forefathers consumed wine and beer rather than water.

Bill.N., you say yourself that water born diseases are at an all-time low. So fluoride SHOULD be our primary concern. Harm from fluoride injestion is a certainty not a risk.

F fluoride. We don't need it.

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> > Pesky details! Wrote:
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> >
> > >
> > > Not trying to 'convenience' you. Just giving
> > you
> > > a chance to expose your ass as usual when ya
> > got
> > > nuthin. LoLz
> > >
> >
> >
> > what are you stupid? I dont have to say shit
> as
> > in case you didnt notice, I'm not arguing to
> take
> > fluoride out of the water ................
> >
> > or are you so fucking self entitled that you
> > actually believe I need to convince you that
> the
> > County needs to keep Fluoride in the water?
> >
> >
> > NO WAY!?!?! THAT CANT BE IT, CAN IT!!!? you
> > seriously are thinking that one needs to
> explain
> > to you that...................oh my Lord.
> > ROFLMAO!!!!
>
>
> WTF are you babbling about now? Was that English?
> lol
>
> Don't get all upset Gordum. I'm sorry.
> Really......
>
>


o_0

yes, I see that the County has now removed fluoridate from the water due to yr SOUND trouncing of me - GOOD JOB!! ;)

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Jesus there are either a lot of uneducated people in this world, or they all seem to congregate in stupid troll posts on this forum.

Doctor Strange Love, watch it, learn it, love it.

Just enjoy the fact that engineers like me who passed 8th grade chemistry are making sure you dont live in a 3rd world hell hole, smile, and say thank you.

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> Jesus there are either a lot of uneducated people
> in this world, or they all seem to congregate in
> stupid troll posts on this forum.
>
> Doctor Strange Love, watch it, learn it, love it.
>
> Just enjoy the fact that engineers like me who
> passed 8th grade chemistry are making sure you
> dont live in a 3rd world hell hole, smile, and say
> thank you.

A third world hell hole like Scandinavia?

Flouride is a known carcinogen. So do you want cancer or rotten teeth?

@NCI-normal ppl choose neither. COME JOIN US!

I live on well water. I have never had a cavity and I am 43. I just visit my dentist every six months.

and we are all very proud....
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0.7 mg/L of fluoride over the course of your life creates less cancer risk than living within an eighth mile of a high voltage system.

Carcinogens build up, but everything you eat in your daily routine has minute amounts of carcinogen.

How on Earth did you determine the cancer risk of 0.7mg/L of fluoride? 0.7mg/L is not even an intake measurement. Until last year, the amount added to the water system, which is only an estimate, was just over double that, Would it surprise you to know if your fluoride came from a radioactive uranium mine? Aren't there government studies to show fluoride greatly increase the risk of bone caner in boys?

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> How on Earth did you determine the cancer risk of
> 0.7mg/L of fluoride? 0.7mg/L is not even an intake
> measurement. Until last year, the amount added to
> the water system, which is only an estimate, was
> just over double that, Would it surprise you to
> know if your fluoride came from a radioactive
> uranium mine? Aren't there government studies to
> show fluoride greatly increase the risk of bone
> caner in boys?

0.7mg/L is their dosing rate, which is public knowledge. PS dosing rates are not an estimate, its actually quite easy to control at the treatment plant.

There are studies that show too much sun causes skin cancer too, that doesnt mean we should live like mole people. There is such a thing as incidental amounts of a carcinogen.

It's too bad it didn't come from an aluminium mine, I'm sure you could use a new hat

> 0.7mg/L is their dosing rate, which is public
> knowledge. PS dosing rates are not an estimate,
> its actually quite easy to control at the
> treatment plant.
>
> There are studies that show too much sun causes
> skin cancer too, that doesnt mean we should live
> like mole people. There is such a thing as
> incidental amounts of a carcinogen.
>
> It's too bad it didn't come from an aluminium
> mine, I'm sure you could use a new hat
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So why all the conversation? Take flouride out of the water and then, if you want flouride, you could brush your teeth or gargle with flourid-ed mouthwash. Thanks but no thanks, Fairfax County. We got this. We can decide for ourselves. Peace out.

So why all the conversation? Take pasteurization out of the milk and then, if you want pasteurization, you could just heat up the milk or melt the cheese yourself!!! Thanks but no thanks, USDA. We got this. We can decide for ourselves. Peace out.

O_o

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> So why all the conversation? Take pasteurization
> out of the milk and then, if you want
> pasteurization, you could just heat up the milk or
> melt the cheese yourself!!! Thanks but no thanks,
> USDA. We got this. We can decide for ourselves.
> Peace out.
>
> O_o

Haha, the funny thing is, I am FOR the option to not have pasteurized cheese. If youve never had it you have no idea what you are missing.

As far as having an option for non-fluoride, most bottled spring waters do not have any fluoride additive. Feel free to buy that.

So if it's so poisonous, why aren't people in Fairfax dropping dead left and right?

@TE - really? interesting........ may have to try it out - thanks for the tip :)

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> @TE - really? interesting........ may have to try
> it out - thanks for the tip :)

You can get it in Canada, Montreal specifically. Everything else tastes like craft singles now that I've had it.

There are clearly paid trolls on here simply to ridicule and distract from the discussion of the true dangers of fluoride. For those that are seriously interested in learning about this subject, I would suggest ignoring those posters and do your own research on the matter. A good resource is naturalnews.com. In terms of my view, I don't believe our government has a right to medicate us without our consent and I have taken precautions to minimize my exposure to fluoride by filtering my drinking and shower water. I think the only way to stop the fluoridation of our water is to organize and apply pressure to our elected officials. If anyone is interested in organizing a group, let me know.

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> I think
> the only way to stop the fluoridation of our water
> is to organize and apply pressure to our elected
> officials.

I'm fine with my water. Don't like it? Buy bottled. Drill a well. Move elsewhere. But don't fuck with my water.

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> There are clearly paid trolls on here simply to
> ridicule and distract from the discussion of the
> true dangers of fluoride. For those that are
> seriously interested in learning about this
> subject, I would suggest ignoring those posters
> and do your own research on the matter. A good
> resource is naturalnews.com. In terms of my view,
> I don't believe our government has a right to
> medicate us without our consent and I have taken
> precautions to minimize my exposure to fluoride by
> filtering my drinking and shower water. I think
> the only way to stop the fluoridation of our water
> is to organize and apply pressure to our elected
> officials. If anyone is interested in organizing a
> group, let me know.
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^ Thalidomide baby.

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yes...................I can see how you could equate the two substances.............

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> yes...................I can see how you could
> equate the two substances.............
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Really! The GOVERNMENT says it's fine.

And they TEST all of this stuff!

Well, sorta...

ROFLMAO@the fact you think "the Goverment" has anything to do with it

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> ROFLMAO@the fact you think "the Goverment" has
> anything to do with it


Would we expose children to anything that could have any bad effects?

you do understand this is 2013, right?

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Good point! That kind of thing just doesn't happen these days.


F.D.A. Makes It Official: BPA Can’t Be Used in Baby Bottles and Cups
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
Published: July 17, 2012

WASHINGTON — The Food and Drug Administration said Tuesday that baby bottles and children’s drinking cups could no longer contain bisphenol A, or BPA, an estrogen-mimicking industrial chemical used in some plastic bottles and food packaging.

Fluoride reduces IQ by 20 points or more. On the bright side, that explains all the retards in this area.

http://fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/

If one has to come up with 50 reasons to oppose something then it stands to reason that any one of those reasons by itself is not strong enough to stand on it's own and therefore the entire argument is weak at best, and disingenuous and/or self-serving at worst.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> But as a neutral observer I can't help but notice
> that the anti-fluoride people have posted numerous
> factoids and links to backup their position while
> the pro-fluoride crowd has resorted to name
> calling and has yet to post anything relevant to
> support their argument.
>
The ADA can point to hundreds of studies that demonstrate that fluoridation reduces cavities safely. The original connection was made when researchers noted that people in regions where the water contains naturally occurring fluoride generally have fewer cavities. The primary health concern is that if babies and young children get too much fluoride it can cause small brownish spots on the teeth.

http://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Member%20Center/FIles/fluoridation_facts.ashx

flouride in you is as bad as any other metal of similar weight (any metal in you is bad)

if u had 2 much flouride your teeth would yellow a new color

and if enough was in the soil of your water supply your teeth would fall out

some toothpaste has non-flouride bacteria killer. flouride is in limited supply.

of course obama gives it away. money matters only if you are getting it, not when he's handing it to his democrats under the table

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chorine also kill mouth bacteria but forget that don't try it

yes and the rest of the mineral and metal crud that builds up in pipe ?

has fairfax been cleaning pipes while giving big notices not to drink water for a few days ??

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or have they been putting heavy metals in pipe which , on paper , "lengthens life of pipe" that democrats will be employed replacing

BTW did you know condeleza rice works on water supply in MD where most likely your water comes from ??

ripped off my injured friend didn't pay medical

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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> > But as a neutral observer I can't help but
> notice
> > that the anti-fluoride people have posted
> numerous
> > factoids and links to backup their position
> while
> > the pro-fluoride crowd has resorted to name
> > calling and has yet to post anything relevant
> to
> > support their argument.
> >
> The ADA can point to hundreds of studies that
> demonstrate that fluoridation reduces cavities
> safely. The original connection was made when
> researchers noted that people in regions where the
> water contains naturally occurring fluoride
> generally have fewer cavities. The primary health
> concern is that if babies and young children get
> too much fluoride it can cause small brownish
> spots on the teeth.
>
> http://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Member%20Center/FIl
> es/fluoridation_facts.ashx

Nobody questions the cavity prevention aspects of fluoridation.

It's other potential effects that some reasonable people without tin foil on their heads have raised. Particularly when they are numerous other ways to get adequate levels of fluoride for tooth decay prevention purposes other than lacing everyone's water with it because it's 'good for you.' On that basis there are all kinds of things that we could be putting in water which have some demonstrated beneficial effects. Fluoride is about the only thing that I can think of which is delivered en mass as it is independent of whether you want or need it. I'm not especially concerned about it myself but I can understand that there's a reasonable basis to question that approach.

Fluoridation: Cease and Desist Documentary (Video) http://galacticconnection.com/fluoridation-cease-desist-documentary-video/ via @GalacticConnect

most of the water comes from Maryland and the facility is run by foreigners, facists, and obama gov like condeleza rice (previously the water authority "president" for making customers cry so much they drank more water!

they put heavy metals in to "protect" the pipes but there's no evidence it does

heavy metals are know by physicists and physicians to be detrimental to health and also cause mental disorder and confusion, and organ failure, long term problems

fairfax county does NOT warn it's public not to drink water when metals are put it (likely have no idea when fucking foreigners in immigrant haven MD are doing it)

i'm very sure i've drank water and seen on only much later that MD had said not to drink it and fx co did not warn me

flouride is a heavy metal your NOT supposed to swallow it: look at the directions on your toothpaste. and clorox is better (that's also in water). but these remediate bacteria and are not for pipe saving but help your

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> Are there actually people dumb enough to believe
> that the government can take a toxin like fluoride
> and somehow determine precisely what amount of it
> is safe to drink?


God you are dumb. You think the federal government provides you water. Fuckin grow up. Each little county, town, and city in this country has a water authority, often a private company, which tests water every hour to ensure effluent levels all fall within legal requirements. They then must provide these reports to the health department jurisdiction within their city or county which is accountable to the state which accountable to federal gov eventually.

Grow the fuck up. The government and authorities are good at this, which is why waterborn diseases in this country have disappeared, our teeth are more cavity free than countries without fluoridation, our birth survival rates are superb, and pretty much all other pollutant triggered health issues are non-existent.

In fact, the areas that have the worst of the above, are typically those run off well water, especially those in the dirty industrial south where keeping your teeth to the age of 30 is a rarity.

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What about bottled water? Does it contain fluoride as well?

children's ice cream...

clip here a must see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0

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Yes, that's why there be so many Libtards.

I am interested in starting a campaign in Fairfax County to push for the elimination of Fluoride in the water. I am using information from www.fluoridealert.org to get me started. Anyone interested in possibly joining me and my team? I'd love to hear from you. Thanks!

No, because it's accepted science that fluoridated water is A Good Thing. Science, ya know. It's how things work.

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> "They" say it is good for your teeth, while they
> also fail to point out that it is a by-product of
> the production of aluminum and is a deadly poison.
> So how much poison do you want in your water ?