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Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
66Blows
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:31PM
A truck carrying a load of hay overturned and caught fire on Interstate 66 westbound between Routes 123 and 50, according to traffic reporting services.
All westbound lanes are blocked, according to the Virginia Department of Transportation. Delays extend more than three miles, VDOT estimates.
edit by Cary: Added "[7/5/2011]" to the subject line for clarity.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 04:05PM by Cary.
All westbound lanes are blocked, according to the Virginia Department of Transportation. Delays extend more than three miles, VDOT estimates.
edit by Cary: Added "[7/5/2011]" to the subject line for clarity.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 04:05PM by Cary.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
LYyFM
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:33PM
thats one hell of a hayride...
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
bada-bing
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:34PM
hayride from Hell
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Warhawk
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:36PM
Who the fuck needs hay in the middle of this goddamned concrete jungle that we call N. VA?
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Closed
()
Date: July 05, 2011 02:39PM
http://trafficland.com/city/WAS4/index.html
Yes close down the entire highway because a hay truck is on fire. This should take FFX fire and police hours to clear up. Who cares if a major highway is closed for hours.
Yes close down the entire highway because a hay truck is on fire. This should take FFX fire and police hours to clear up. Who cares if a major highway is closed for hours.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
CERTenly4444444444
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:42PM
CERT doesn't do anything with this type of disaster
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
WhatClusterF
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:44PM
I believe I could put out a hay fire quicker with a garden hose then FFX fire.
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:53PM
Well, evening rush hour will be fucked.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
SmokeyDaBear
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Date: July 05, 2011 02:58PM
It's freaking hay dumb asses. Spray water on the hay and the fire will go out. Bunch of lazy fucks.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
NotYou
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Date: July 05, 2011 03:00PM
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
More Complete
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Date: July 05, 2011 03:07PM
They should close all the roads aroudn it also.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
scanner stalker
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Date: July 05, 2011 03:20PM
Scanner says the fire is out but officer says that it'll "stay closed for quite awhile". Fantastic.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Scanned
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Date: July 05, 2011 03:21PM
More Complete Wrote:
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> They should close all the roads aroudn it also.
Agreed, What's with allowing traffic in the rest of Fairfax county to use the roads?
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> They should close all the roads aroudn it also.
Agreed, What's with allowing traffic in the rest of Fairfax county to use the roads?
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
More Complete
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Date: July 05, 2011 03:31PM
Scanned Wrote:
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> Agreed, What's with allowing traffic in the rest
> of Fairfax county to use the roads?
Right, block other unrelated traffic so that everyone knows that they are "working on it".
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> Agreed, What's with allowing traffic in the rest
> of Fairfax county to use the roads?
Right, block other unrelated traffic so that everyone knows that they are "working on it".
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
CERTenyl44444
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:02PM
What you mean CERT no do nothing other CERT444. CERT living in area should make sure stay inside and windows closed so no one dies from smoke inhallation. CERt the reach us to take the extinguisher and fase the base of the fire and sweep back and forth. This is lesson that truck drivers should take CERT maybe road and fire could be puts out sooner. While CERT no go to scene. CERT person could have been driver and then had good CERT skills. That is CERTenly our roll in this. Alternative routs must be backed up I think too but no one reporting that. Keep your windows closed and make sure you do not take in outside air to the inside of your car through the vents system.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FineJob
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:18PM
More Complete Wrote:
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> Scanned Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Agreed, What's with allowing traffic in the
> rest
> > of Fairfax county to use the roads?
>
> Right, block other unrelated traffic so that
> everyone knows that they are "working on it".
They've really outdone themselves on this one. I don't know why they are not spreading shit in the opposite side of traffic. And what about closing the beltway, that's with in ten mile or so? Should be able to a least a couple of lanes closed there.
After all it's almost 5 o'clock and the more roads closed at rush hour the better.
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> > Agreed, What's with allowing traffic in the
> rest
> > of Fairfax county to use the roads?
>
> Right, block other unrelated traffic so that
> everyone knows that they are "working on it".
They've really outdone themselves on this one. I don't know why they are not spreading shit in the opposite side of traffic. And what about closing the beltway, that's with in ten mile or so? Should be able to a least a couple of lanes closed there.
After all it's almost 5 o'clock and the more roads closed at rush hour the better.
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Take a Stand
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:21PM
here are some pics
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FFFF
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:24PM
Yeah, because from the pictures posted even within this thread show that traffic can drive right on through..
Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire department so you can teach them how to do the job they've been doing forever?
Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire department so you can teach them how to do the job they've been doing forever?
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Wrking
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:26PM
It certainly looks like emergency personnel are scrambling to the put the fire out in those pics.
Either that or enjoying some coffee and donuts.
Either that or enjoying some coffee and donuts.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FiredUp
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:28PM
FFFF Wrote:
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> Yeah, because from the pictures posted even within
> this thread show that traffic can drive right on
> through..
>
> Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire
> department so you can teach them how to do the job
> they've been doing forever?
Well one is certain, with shitty fire fighting like this we certainly justify a pay decrease.
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> Yeah, because from the pictures posted even within
> this thread show that traffic can drive right on
> through..
>
> Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire
> department so you can teach them how to do the job
> they've been doing forever?
Well one is certain, with shitty fire fighting like this we certainly justify a pay decrease.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
ouch my arm
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:30PM
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
More Complete
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:37PM
FFFF Wrote:
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> Yeah, because from the pictures posted even within
> this thread show that traffic can drive right on
> through..
>
> Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire
> department so you can teach them how to do the job
> they've been doing forever?
Right on through where? The other direction? (East bound) Perhaps you should not call others morons if you can't tell the difference.
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> Yeah, because from the pictures posted even within
> this thread show that traffic can drive right on
> through..
>
> Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire
> department so you can teach them how to do the job
> they've been doing forever?
Right on through where? The other direction? (East bound) Perhaps you should not call others morons if you can't tell the difference.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
GramPa
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:43PM
FFFF Wrote:
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> Yeah, because from the pictures posted even within
> this thread show that traffic can drive right on
> through..
>
> Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire
> department so you can teach them how to do the job
> they've been doing forever?
Why would we want to join a team that doesn't even know when traffic is going and when traffic it is stopped?
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> Yeah, because from the pictures posted even within
> this thread show that traffic can drive right on
> through..
>
> Maybe you fucking morons should join the fire
> department so you can teach them how to do the job
> they've been doing forever?
Why would we want to join a team that doesn't even know when traffic is going and when traffic it is stopped?
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
ouch my arm
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:45PM
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
saltmine
()
Date: July 05, 2011 04:46PM
from alert8894@cean.fairfaxcounty.gov
to rsan@cean.fairfaxcounty.gov
date Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM
subject Fairfax County Severe Traffic Alert
Update to Tractor Trailer Hay Fire: Westbound lanes are still blocked. Traffic is being diverted to exit 60 (VA-123). Delays extend to the Beltway, about 4.5 miles. Drivers should seek alternate routes (US-50, US-29). Cleanup estimates to open road are 1-2 hours additional.
to rsan@cean.fairfaxcounty.gov
date Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM
subject Fairfax County Severe Traffic Alert
Update to Tractor Trailer Hay Fire: Westbound lanes are still blocked. Traffic is being diverted to exit 60 (VA-123). Delays extend to the Beltway, about 4.5 miles. Drivers should seek alternate routes (US-50, US-29). Cleanup estimates to open road are 1-2 hours additional.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
gridhead
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Date: July 05, 2011 04:48PM
It has never happened to me but I wonder what it is like to be the first car in a ten mile backup. You know damn well you cant go forward, no exit to take and you cannot turn around. If only you had left the office five minutes earlier you would laughing at this mess not sitting still fuming and sweating
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: July 05, 2011 04:55PM
Good advice Fairfax County, they suggest taking rt 50 or 29. A quick check of google maps tells us those roads are fucked as well. If they are going to suggest all of 66 westbound traffic take rt 50 and 29 then they need to adjust the traffic lights to get people through faster.
Gotta say, the logistics have been worked out well. They managed to get heavy equipment (and operators) as well as roll offs and dump trucks there to haul away the mess. Though I gotta wonder if they couldn't have just pushed it all off to the side and cleaned it up later tonight after they dislodged the traffic.
And its not even 5 pm yet when rush hour starts getting bad and all roads leading west are a parking lot. Except the Dulles Toll Road.
Looking at the traffic cameras I see people driving on the shoulders and driving in the median, turning around in the middle of 66. Exactly what we expect from Nova drivers.
Gotta say, the logistics have been worked out well. They managed to get heavy equipment (and operators) as well as roll offs and dump trucks there to haul away the mess. Though I gotta wonder if they couldn't have just pushed it all off to the side and cleaned it up later tonight after they dislodged the traffic.
And its not even 5 pm yet when rush hour starts getting bad and all roads leading west are a parking lot. Except the Dulles Toll Road.
Looking at the traffic cameras I see people driving on the shoulders and driving in the median, turning around in the middle of 66. Exactly what we expect from Nova drivers.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
I C Me
()
Date: July 05, 2011 05:05PM
Yeah Nutley at 29 is a cluster fuck but then it is usually that way all the time. If I was lucky enough to get to a secondary road I would hit a nearby bar have a few colds ones and wait it out
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FineJob
()
Date: July 05, 2011 05:06PM
No only is 66 at complete parking lot, but the backup has the outer loop f'd up.
I think this traffic cluster f can be extended to at least until 7pm if done right.
^5 Fairfax fire!
I think this traffic cluster f can be extended to at least until 7pm if done right.
^5 Fairfax fire!
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
these crews are retarded
()
Date: July 05, 2011 05:26PM
i've watched from work periodically as they load a bunch of burned truck parts and hay into dump trucks and roll offs for 2.5 straight hours.
wtf? how can it possibly take that long?
quick way to clean up the hay, don't put the fire out. keep it from catching the woods on fire.
then as others have said, push the shit in the gully and clean it up tonight.
no need for accident investigation. just put the driver in jail for a week and give him a 10,000 fine.
wtf? how can it possibly take that long?
quick way to clean up the hay, don't put the fire out. keep it from catching the woods on fire.
then as others have said, push the shit in the gully and clean it up tonight.
no need for accident investigation. just put the driver in jail for a week and give him a 10,000 fine.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
whatamess
()
Date: July 05, 2011 05:28PM
> It has never happened to me but I wonder what it is like to be the first car in a ten mile backup.
Happened to me once on I-95 south while they landed a medivac chopper on the road. Basically everyone got out of their cars and sat on the guardrail chatting with each other. This was in the 1990's before anyone had smart phones though. I imagine these days you could just sit in your car and watch a movie.
Happened to me once on I-95 south while they landed a medivac chopper on the road. Basically everyone got out of their cars and sat on the guardrail chatting with each other. This was in the 1990's before anyone had smart phones though. I imagine these days you could just sit in your car and watch a movie.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
CERTenyl444
()
Date: July 05, 2011 05:33PM
Can you all not be experts.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FFFF
()
Date: July 05, 2011 05:36PM
You dumb mother fuckers.... That's sarcasm there in that post.
Of COURSE traffic can't sneak past in that lane.
66 has to be shut down.
A tractor trailer crashed
Completely loaded full of hay, that ignited.
It's 90+ degrees outside and these people have to be suited up in all that gear
(Thus the canteen for rehydration, otherwise one can pass out and then get transported to the hospital for an evaluation = more money than just having the fucking gatorades in a truck on the scene).
Push the burning hay off the side of the road to let traffic go by and THEN take care of it? Are you fucking kidding? Like traffic wouldn't be fucked up from your rubbernecking NOVA professional-fuckup-drivers? Maybe YOU should join the FD too so you can teach them how to do their jobs?
NEWSFLASH: Traffic accidents and tractor trailer fires are going to fuck up traffic. The fire department will never be able to make that go away.
The way you people complains is astounding.
Of COURSE traffic can't sneak past in that lane.
66 has to be shut down.
A tractor trailer crashed
Completely loaded full of hay, that ignited.
It's 90+ degrees outside and these people have to be suited up in all that gear
(Thus the canteen for rehydration, otherwise one can pass out and then get transported to the hospital for an evaluation = more money than just having the fucking gatorades in a truck on the scene).
Push the burning hay off the side of the road to let traffic go by and THEN take care of it? Are you fucking kidding? Like traffic wouldn't be fucked up from your rubbernecking NOVA professional-fuckup-drivers? Maybe YOU should join the FD too so you can teach them how to do their jobs?
NEWSFLASH: Traffic accidents and tractor trailer fires are going to fuck up traffic. The fire department will never be able to make that go away.
The way you people complains is astounding.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
()
Date: July 05, 2011 05:37PM
KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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>
> And its not even 5 pm yet when rush hour starts
> getting bad and all roads leading west are a
> parking lot. Except the Dulles Toll Road.
>
> Looking at the traffic cameras I see people
> driving on the shoulders and driving in the
> median, turning around in the middle of 66.
> Exactly what we expect from Nova drivers.
How does one drive in the median given that there is a Metro train wall (and tracks) there....
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
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>
> And its not even 5 pm yet when rush hour starts
> getting bad and all roads leading west are a
> parking lot. Except the Dulles Toll Road.
>
> Looking at the traffic cameras I see people
> driving on the shoulders and driving in the
> median, turning around in the middle of 66.
> Exactly what we expect from Nova drivers.
How does one drive in the median given that there is a Metro train wall (and tracks) there....
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
StillAtIt
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Date: July 05, 2011 05:44PM
I told you they will this scene until just after rush hour. Really going at it to re-open... NOT!
Who ever is in charge of managing accident scene on 66 should be FIRED! This is the same cluster fucker who had 66 West closed from 11am to 7:30pm a month ago.
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Who ever is in charge of managing accident scene on 66 should be FIRED! This is the same cluster fucker who had 66 West closed from 11am to 7:30pm a month ago.
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Shadow
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Date: July 05, 2011 05:50PM
Clearly some these posters know nothing about putting out fires.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
StillAtIt
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Date: July 05, 2011 06:01PM
Shadow Wrote:
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> Clearly some these posters know nothing about
> putting out fires.
Clearly some of these fire fighters don't know anything about putting out fires and clearing roads quickly either.
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> Clearly some these posters know nothing about
> putting out fires.
Clearly some of these fire fighters don't know anything about putting out fires and clearing roads quickly either.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Cam
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Date: July 05, 2011 06:04PM
Still cleaning...
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Boxboxboxbox
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Date: July 05, 2011 06:20PM
So, Still At It....
Do you have some training or experience in firefighting? Or are you some desk jockey in DC who's just got your panties in a bundle about not getting home to Dharma and Greg reruns fast enough?
Do you have some training or experience in firefighting? Or are you some desk jockey in DC who's just got your panties in a bundle about not getting home to Dharma and Greg reruns fast enough?
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Adam
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Date: July 05, 2011 06:23PM
123 west is completely fucked throughout Vienna and Oakton.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
smokey b
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Date: July 05, 2011 06:23PM
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
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Date: July 05, 2011 06:47PM
FFFF Wrote:
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> You dumb mother fuckers.... That's sarcasm there
> in that post.
>
> Of COURSE traffic can't sneak past in that lane.
>
> 66 has to be shut down.
> A tractor trailer crashed
> Completely loaded full of hay, that ignited.
> It's 90+ degrees outside and these people have to
> be suited up in all that gear
> (Thus the canteen for rehydration, otherwise one
> can pass out and then get transported to the
> hospital for an evaluation = more money than just
> having the fucking gatorades in a truck on the
> scene).
>
>
> Push the burning hay off the side of the road to
> let traffic go by and THEN take care of it? Are
> you fucking kidding? Like traffic wouldn't be
> fucked up from your rubbernecking NOVA
> professional-fuckup-drivers? Maybe YOU should join
> the FD too so you can teach them how to do their
> jobs?
>
>
No, I would say put the fire out first, then push it to the side. It looked like the fire was put out within an hour or so.
Yeah I bet traffic would still have been fucked from rubberneckers even if this idea had been done. But then no one would be blaming the Fire Department.
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> You dumb mother fuckers.... That's sarcasm there
> in that post.
>
> Of COURSE traffic can't sneak past in that lane.
>
> 66 has to be shut down.
> A tractor trailer crashed
> Completely loaded full of hay, that ignited.
> It's 90+ degrees outside and these people have to
> be suited up in all that gear
> (Thus the canteen for rehydration, otherwise one
> can pass out and then get transported to the
> hospital for an evaluation = more money than just
> having the fucking gatorades in a truck on the
> scene).
>
>
> Push the burning hay off the side of the road to
> let traffic go by and THEN take care of it? Are
> you fucking kidding? Like traffic wouldn't be
> fucked up from your rubbernecking NOVA
> professional-fuckup-drivers? Maybe YOU should join
> the FD too so you can teach them how to do their
> jobs?
>
>
No, I would say put the fire out first, then push it to the side. It looked like the fire was put out within an hour or so.
Yeah I bet traffic would still have been fucked from rubberneckers even if this idea had been done. But then no one would be blaming the Fire Department.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
MoveCloser2Work
()
Date: July 05, 2011 06:58PM
Here's an idea, stop complaining if:
1) you decided to LIVE somewhere in bumblecok, VA and/OR
2) you decided to LIVE fkn 30+ miles away from your job
Enjoy the rest of your miserable trips to and from miserable jobs, deal with it or GTFO. Ultimately, it was your decision to live way the fk down the worst road in america. Happy 4th btw.
1) you decided to LIVE somewhere in bumblecok, VA and/OR
2) you decided to LIVE fkn 30+ miles away from your job
Enjoy the rest of your miserable trips to and from miserable jobs, deal with it or GTFO. Ultimately, it was your decision to live way the fk down the worst road in america. Happy 4th btw.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
10-75
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:08PM
Perhaps all the wanna-be firefighters (including the CERT idiot) should shut their traps and let the Fire Department handle the best way possible. If you have never put on a facepiece nor bunker gear, you don't get to say shite.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FFFF
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:10PM
"it looked like the fire was put out"
You realize that there's also an investigation that needs completing, and that this has nothing to do with the fire department? It's just that fire trucks are most visible.
So you internet warrior neckbeards DO realize you're job involves TPS reports, right? Not firefighting? Traffic collision investigations? Maybe when the world is all pissed off that you didn't submit your weekly summary reports to your low-level-manager boss, then the firefighters, cops, troopers, tow truck drivers, and VDOT workers will come bashing down your door and demanding people get fired.
But you can rest assured that that won't happen. This is because no one gives a fuck about your meaningless hollow job that you have to drive 50 miles to get to.
Hope you had fun in traffic today while I had beer and got a blowjob.
Fucking losers.
You realize that there's also an investigation that needs completing, and that this has nothing to do with the fire department? It's just that fire trucks are most visible.
So you internet warrior neckbeards DO realize you're job involves TPS reports, right? Not firefighting? Traffic collision investigations? Maybe when the world is all pissed off that you didn't submit your weekly summary reports to your low-level-manager boss, then the firefighters, cops, troopers, tow truck drivers, and VDOT workers will come bashing down your door and demanding people get fired.
But you can rest assured that that won't happen. This is because no one gives a fuck about your meaningless hollow job that you have to drive 50 miles to get to.
Hope you had fun in traffic today while I had beer and got a blowjob.
Fucking losers.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
10-75
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:16PM
FFFF Wrote:
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> "it looked like the fire was put out"
>
> You realize that there's also an investigation
> that needs completing, and that this has nothing
> to do with the fire department? It's just that
> fire trucks are most visible.
>
> So you internet warrior neckbeards DO realize
> you're job involves TPS reports, right? Not
> firefighting? Traffic collision investigations?
> Maybe when the world is all pissed off that you
> didn't submit your weekly summary reports to your
> low-level-manager boss, then the firefighters,
> cops, troopers, tow truck drivers, and VDOT
> workers will come bashing down your door and
> demanding people get fired.
>
> But you can rest assured that that won't happen.
> This is because no one gives a fuck about your
> meaningless hollow job that you have to drive 50
> miles to get to.
>
> Hope you had fun in traffic today while I had beer
> and got a blowjob.
>
> Fucking losers.
I will be willing to bet these are the same assholes who flick off fire trucks or complain of the noise the siren makes, but are damn pissed when a rig doesn't show up within 30 seconds after calling 911.
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> "it looked like the fire was put out"
>
> You realize that there's also an investigation
> that needs completing, and that this has nothing
> to do with the fire department? It's just that
> fire trucks are most visible.
>
> So you internet warrior neckbeards DO realize
> you're job involves TPS reports, right? Not
> firefighting? Traffic collision investigations?
> Maybe when the world is all pissed off that you
> didn't submit your weekly summary reports to your
> low-level-manager boss, then the firefighters,
> cops, troopers, tow truck drivers, and VDOT
> workers will come bashing down your door and
> demanding people get fired.
>
> But you can rest assured that that won't happen.
> This is because no one gives a fuck about your
> meaningless hollow job that you have to drive 50
> miles to get to.
>
> Hope you had fun in traffic today while I had beer
> and got a blowjob.
>
> Fucking losers.
I will be willing to bet these are the same assholes who flick off fire trucks or complain of the noise the siren makes, but are damn pissed when a rig doesn't show up within 30 seconds after calling 911.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Adam
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:18PM
MoveCloser2Work Wrote:
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> Here's an idea, stop complaining if:
> 1) you decided to LIVE somewhere in bumblecok, VA
> and/OR
> 2) you decided to LIVE fkn 30+ miles away from
> your job
>
> Enjoy the rest of your miserable trips to and from
> miserable jobs, deal with it or GTFO. Ultimately,
> it was your decision to live way the fk down the
> worst road in america. Happy 4th btw.
Not everyone can afford 1+ million dollar homes inside the beltway. They live far because it's the only decent place to afford a single family home.
The real problem is the lack of new roads. upgrading 66 and 495 doesn't solve the problem. Lets take a lesson from LA and build more roads. Not just upgrading the ones we have. Another beltway, another 66, another I95 from dc to fburg. problem solved for awhile at least.
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> Here's an idea, stop complaining if:
> 1) you decided to LIVE somewhere in bumblecok, VA
> and/OR
> 2) you decided to LIVE fkn 30+ miles away from
> your job
>
> Enjoy the rest of your miserable trips to and from
> miserable jobs, deal with it or GTFO. Ultimately,
> it was your decision to live way the fk down the
> worst road in america. Happy 4th btw.
Not everyone can afford 1+ million dollar homes inside the beltway. They live far because it's the only decent place to afford a single family home.
The real problem is the lack of new roads. upgrading 66 and 495 doesn't solve the problem. Lets take a lesson from LA and build more roads. Not just upgrading the ones we have. Another beltway, another 66, another I95 from dc to fburg. problem solved for awhile at least.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FFFF
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:21PM
+1
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
FFFF
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:21PM
+1
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:30PM
yeah Adam - they'll just get right on that cause all they have to do is pluck money off the damn moneytree, right?
heck, let's just build FIVE new beltway! problem solverinoed!!
@10-75 - they prolly think Firefighters have access to Harry Potter magicwands as well o_0
heck, let's just build FIVE new beltway! problem solverinoed!!
@10-75 - they prolly think Firefighters have access to Harry Potter magicwands as well o_0
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
10-75
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:32PM
I bet these mouthbreathers are the same ones who heckle pro athletes because they paid for a ticket to a game, so it is their right. Let's see how you type that TPS report with 40,000 yelling at you and telling you how much you stink. What, not fair? Too bad, I bought a ticket from your boss to sit in your dank, dirty cubicle to watch you work, so you better dance monkey, DANCE!!!
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
CERTenyl444
()
Date: July 05, 2011 07:56PM
You calling CERt idiot do not make people more prepared in emergency. I say that everyone here seem like experet and is wrong. Firefighters are experts. Without CERT see where YOUR fire department would be. It is all us volunteers that make its message into community. That is why CERt is part of volunteer liasion office. CERT rocks and we are better prepared. You need to show volunteer liasions office and CERt some repsect. Because we honestly respect and are honored by what you do and you are the best in the world as proven by the firefighters that are part of USAR and all their brothers. Lets work together not against CERt and volunteers office. All for one and one for all. Doing best good for the most numbers of people. Thank you. And I mean we respect you, that is no juoke. We know you come with a few minutes to house fires and car fires and know your stuff. That is why some CERT become firefighters and EMS people because we know how good you are.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Plastic
()
Date: July 05, 2011 08:12PM
Love the attitude of "f off if you don't live in a firehouse and drive to work in non rush-hour hours."
Maybe if firefighters and police had to drive to and from work in rush hour, they'd have a different opinion of sitting in traffic for 4 hours when your kid is stuck at day care.
Accident investigation? Takes 4 hours? No way!
How come in all the big cities like New York, LA, Dallas, Chicago... etc they get roads cleared in under an hour???????? Yet in Fairfax County it takes hours and hours?
Maybe if firefighters and police had to drive to and from work in rush hour, they'd have a different opinion of sitting in traffic for 4 hours when your kid is stuck at day care.
Accident investigation? Takes 4 hours? No way!
How come in all the big cities like New York, LA, Dallas, Chicago... etc they get roads cleared in under an hour???????? Yet in Fairfax County it takes hours and hours?
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
CERTenly44444
()
Date: July 05, 2011 08:26PM
You not have noticed by Fairfax is not the big city roudn here. DC is. Get facts straight. Yous no hear someone say, I want to go to LA, NY, Dallas, Orlando, Newark, oh and Fairfax, they say DC.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Adam
()
Date: July 05, 2011 08:38PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> yeah Adam - they'll just get right on that cause
> all they have to do is pluck money off the damn
> moneytree, right?
>
> heck, let's just build FIVE new beltway! problem
> solverinoed!!
>
> @10-75 - they prolly think Firefighters have
> access to Harry Potter magicwands as well o_0
I guess your one of the few that likes traffic but for the other 5+ million people, I'm sure they want something done about it.
They have done some great things with rt28, 66 upgrades, interchange at gainsville, wilison bridge. But it doesn't matter, you need options, and until there is more then one highway to get from point A to point B. It will always be a problem.
Dallas Metro area is has roughly the same size population, but ranks 6 or 7 spots below DC for the worst traffic in the USA.. Why??? Because they have more freeways, and options.
Of course another beltway is going to cost a lot, It might be one of the biggest construction projects in DC history. But you got start somewhere.
I'm sure if you were living in Boston before the big Dig. you would have the same smart ass response. "Build a tunnel under the city, shit lets build 5" Ohh wait they did..
-------------------------------------------------------
> yeah Adam - they'll just get right on that cause
> all they have to do is pluck money off the damn
> moneytree, right?
>
> heck, let's just build FIVE new beltway! problem
> solverinoed!!
>
> @10-75 - they prolly think Firefighters have
> access to Harry Potter magicwands as well o_0
I guess your one of the few that likes traffic but for the other 5+ million people, I'm sure they want something done about it.
They have done some great things with rt28, 66 upgrades, interchange at gainsville, wilison bridge. But it doesn't matter, you need options, and until there is more then one highway to get from point A to point B. It will always be a problem.
Dallas Metro area is has roughly the same size population, but ranks 6 or 7 spots below DC for the worst traffic in the USA.. Why??? Because they have more freeways, and options.
Of course another beltway is going to cost a lot, It might be one of the biggest construction projects in DC history. But you got start somewhere.
I'm sure if you were living in Boston before the big Dig. you would have the same smart ass response. "Build a tunnel under the city, shit lets build 5" Ohh wait they did..
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Looknow
()
Date: July 05, 2011 08:49PM
Interesting read..
http://transportationnation.org/2011/04/08/old-plans-current-debate-would-a-second-beltway-work-today/
http://transportationnation.org/2011/04/08/old-plans-current-debate-would-a-second-beltway-work-today/
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: July 05, 2011 08:50PM
What the fuck is there to investigate? The truck's load caught on fire and burning hay went everywhere and fucked over the evening commute. What more do the insurance companies need?
As for roads, build the outer beltway! Upgrade Fairfax County Parkway to an interstate without traffic signals and we will be 50% of the way there. Maryland actually did something correctly by getting the Intercounty connector built.
Another useful project would be the Techway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techway
495 from 270 to 66 would be so much better (and we wouldn't have all these troubles of people coming off the toll road and getting stuck at the end)
And none of this 55 mph shit. Rt 28 needs to be 65 mph and the Parkway needs to be 60 mph.
As for roads, build the outer beltway! Upgrade Fairfax County Parkway to an interstate without traffic signals and we will be 50% of the way there. Maryland actually did something correctly by getting the Intercounty connector built.
Another useful project would be the Techway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techway
495 from 270 to 66 would be so much better (and we wouldn't have all these troubles of people coming off the toll road and getting stuck at the end)
And none of this 55 mph shit. Rt 28 needs to be 65 mph and the Parkway needs to be 60 mph.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
timeforjustice
()
Date: July 05, 2011 09:16PM
Not trolling....
We need a new law in place that places a heavy fine (maybe even a light jail sentence) for individuals that are deemed at-fault for these wrecks. There are too many people in this area now and events like these cause way too much hassle on the roads.
In the past, you'd hear of this stuff every now and then. Now it seems stuff like this is happening weekly. Enough. You cannot be shutting down 66 during rush hour.
We need a new law in place that places a heavy fine (maybe even a light jail sentence) for individuals that are deemed at-fault for these wrecks. There are too many people in this area now and events like these cause way too much hassle on the roads.
In the past, you'd hear of this stuff every now and then. Now it seems stuff like this is happening weekly. Enough. You cannot be shutting down 66 during rush hour.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Mr Green Teeth
()
Date: July 05, 2011 09:25PM
I am sure sorry yall but I was looking for the exit to Haymarket. I wonder if the driver was related to that woman who turned over the truck filled with gunpowder at the mixing bowl about ten years ago. That had to be the worst the DC area has seen except maybe the retard who threatened to jump off the WW bridge and stopped 95 north and south for eight hours
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Your Daddy
()
Date: July 05, 2011 09:37PM
Thanks for the fire, I was able to cruise home on 66 today..Fuck alls!
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
whyme?
()
Date: July 05, 2011 09:44PM
Yea, I work near the AT&T building at 123 & Oakton and I took the back roads to get to W OX Rd while everyone was following their GPS telling them to take Germaintown to RT 50. HA - HA.
Seriously, this is the 2nd truckfire on RT 66 in the last month. How the hell does a truck catch on fire? According to WTOP, the hay caught on fire while it was being transported. But still I am preplexed...
Seriously, this is the 2nd truckfire on RT 66 in the last month. How the hell does a truck catch on fire? According to WTOP, the hay caught on fire while it was being transported. But still I am preplexed...
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
DONKEY1
()
Date: July 05, 2011 10:43PM
DAMMIT that was my dinner.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Ffff
()
Date: July 05, 2011 10:51PM
How does hay catch fire?
Jesus Christ you'd be a dead (or at least cold) caveman
Bunch of dry hay (who would store hay wet?)
+
tons of oxygen (wind from the ~55mph of speed of travel, a literal fucking blowtorch)
+
Some NOVA asshole throwing their cigarette bud out the window "it's not a big deal"
-or-
Some heat from the breaks of the trailer perhaps? Ignition source isn't impossible or improbable.
Maybe if someone were to INVESTIGATE the crash, it could be prevented from happening again (cover the hay with tarps, or whatever)
O wait...all you self righteous fuck bags wanna do it complain about how long everyone takes to get out of YOUR way home to your hot pockets and masturbationthon.
Fuel+air+ignition = fire.
5th grade science you dumbass.
Jesus Christ you'd be a dead (or at least cold) caveman
Bunch of dry hay (who would store hay wet?)
+
tons of oxygen (wind from the ~55mph of speed of travel, a literal fucking blowtorch)
+
Some NOVA asshole throwing their cigarette bud out the window "it's not a big deal"
-or-
Some heat from the breaks of the trailer perhaps? Ignition source isn't impossible or improbable.
Maybe if someone were to INVESTIGATE the crash, it could be prevented from happening again (cover the hay with tarps, or whatever)
O wait...all you self righteous fuck bags wanna do it complain about how long everyone takes to get out of YOUR way home to your hot pockets and masturbationthon.
Fuel+air+ignition = fire.
5th grade science you dumbass.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
say
()
Date: July 05, 2011 10:57PM
whyme? Wrote:
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> How the hell does a truck catch on
> fire? According to WTOP, the hay caught on fire
> while it was being transported. But still I am
> preplexed...
It's called spontaneous combustion and hay is famous for it. The wetter and/or greener it is, the more likely it will go up.
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> How the hell does a truck catch on
> fire? According to WTOP, the hay caught on fire
> while it was being transported. But still I am
> preplexed...
It's called spontaneous combustion and hay is famous for it. The wetter and/or greener it is, the more likely it will go up.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Nicee
()
Date: July 05, 2011 11:06PM
Headed east on 66, smelled like a barbecue.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: July 05, 2011 11:21PM
Ffff Wrote:
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> Maybe if someone were to INVESTIGATE the crash, it
> could be prevented from happening again (cover the
> hay with tarps, or whatever)
>
Virginia already has laws that say cover your load, this shit was probably blowing off all the way down 66 anyways.
Solution: Prohibit all farm loads that arent in a container or sealed trailer. That shit does not belong on the interstate, particularly an interstate feeding Washington DC. I would expect to see it on I-81 or on any road out in farm country, just as I would expect to be held up by a tractor driving down the road if I were driving on a road in Fluvanna County, VA.
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> Maybe if someone were to INVESTIGATE the crash, it
> could be prevented from happening again (cover the
> hay with tarps, or whatever)
>
Virginia already has laws that say cover your load, this shit was probably blowing off all the way down 66 anyways.
Solution: Prohibit all farm loads that arent in a container or sealed trailer. That shit does not belong on the interstate, particularly an interstate feeding Washington DC. I would expect to see it on I-81 or on any road out in farm country, just as I would expect to be held up by a tractor driving down the road if I were driving on a road in Fluvanna County, VA.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Cig
()
Date: July 05, 2011 11:35PM
Probably some idiot, maybe even the trucker tossed a lit cig out the window and it ended up in the hay.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
i reiterate...
()
Date: July 06, 2011 09:01AM
I reiterate...
No need for an investigation. This shit burned up.. wasn't covered, etc..
Fine/jail the person and/or company associated with it.
Stop spending precious time digging through ashes looking for a cigarette butt in the hay. Who cares?? Anybody can sit an use the process of thought to imagine the possible ways this load could catch fire and come up with solutions to prevent that in the future.
The same goes for car crashes. How many statistics do we need to record to determine that people drink and drive, text and drive, don't maintain their cars, don't pay attention, drive to fast, don't wear seat belts, fail to yield, run stop signs, change lanes without signaling, etc?
If we want this type of behavior to change and preventable incidents of this nature to subside, we have to hit those responsible where it hurts the most.. the wallet. Then they will start paying attention and doing the right thing. We don't solve this problem by having the worlds largest supply of NTSB incident investigation reports.
No need for an investigation. This shit burned up.. wasn't covered, etc..
Fine/jail the person and/or company associated with it.
Stop spending precious time digging through ashes looking for a cigarette butt in the hay. Who cares?? Anybody can sit an use the process of thought to imagine the possible ways this load could catch fire and come up with solutions to prevent that in the future.
The same goes for car crashes. How many statistics do we need to record to determine that people drink and drive, text and drive, don't maintain their cars, don't pay attention, drive to fast, don't wear seat belts, fail to yield, run stop signs, change lanes without signaling, etc?
If we want this type of behavior to change and preventable incidents of this nature to subside, we have to hit those responsible where it hurts the most.. the wallet. Then they will start paying attention and doing the right thing. We don't solve this problem by having the worlds largest supply of NTSB incident investigation reports.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Blank Reg
()
Date: July 06, 2011 09:35AM
whyme? Wrote:
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> Yea, I work near the AT&T building at 123 & Oakton
> and I took the back roads to get to W OX Rd while
> everyone was following their GPS telling them to
> take Germaintown to RT 50. HA - HA.
>
I work over by Fairfax Hospital and live over by the government center, so this shit SUCKED for me. There was no road I could take in a general direction towards my home that wasn't a parking lot. I left at 4:45 yesterday from work, and didn't get home until 7:30. I was just trying to get across 123 and use the back roads between Vienna/Reston/Oakton to get home the long way around, like using Vale, etc. At one point not even halfway through the journey, I had to pee so bad that I stopped at Sunflower, that vegetarian restaurant across from Madison High School. Someone was in the women’s room, so I just used the men’s room. DESPERATION.
I saw at least two cars that had run out of gas in the middle of the road, which made traffic even fucking worse.
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> Yea, I work near the AT&T building at 123 & Oakton
> and I took the back roads to get to W OX Rd while
> everyone was following their GPS telling them to
> take Germaintown to RT 50. HA - HA.
>
I work over by Fairfax Hospital and live over by the government center, so this shit SUCKED for me. There was no road I could take in a general direction towards my home that wasn't a parking lot. I left at 4:45 yesterday from work, and didn't get home until 7:30. I was just trying to get across 123 and use the back roads between Vienna/Reston/Oakton to get home the long way around, like using Vale, etc. At one point not even halfway through the journey, I had to pee so bad that I stopped at Sunflower, that vegetarian restaurant across from Madison High School. Someone was in the women’s room, so I just used the men’s room. DESPERATION.
I saw at least two cars that had run out of gas in the middle of the road, which made traffic even fucking worse.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
ClsuterF
()
Date: July 06, 2011 09:57AM
Blank Reg Wrote:
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>
> I work over by Fairfax Hospital and live over by
> the government center, so this shit SUCKED for me.
> There was no road I could take in a general
> direction towards my home that wasn't a parking
> lot. I left at 4:45 yesterday from work, and
> didn't get home until 7:30. I was just trying to
> get across 123 and use the back roads between
> Vienna/Reston/Oakton to get home the long way
> around, like using Vale, etc. At one point not
> even halfway through the journey, I had to pee so
> bad that I stopped at Sunflower, that vegetarian
> restaurant across from Madison High School.
> Someone was in the women’s room, so I just used
> the men’s room. DESPERATION.
>
> I saw at least two cars that had run out of gas in
> the middle of the road, which made traffic even
> fucking worse.
It was a complete cluster f of the county roads.
What's the name of the person who was in charge? Is that the Battlion Chief?
I'd like to follow up with a letter to the Board of Supervisors. This shit was ridiculous. A major highway COMPLETELY closed for 4hrs????
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>
> I work over by Fairfax Hospital and live over by
> the government center, so this shit SUCKED for me.
> There was no road I could take in a general
> direction towards my home that wasn't a parking
> lot. I left at 4:45 yesterday from work, and
> didn't get home until 7:30. I was just trying to
> get across 123 and use the back roads between
> Vienna/Reston/Oakton to get home the long way
> around, like using Vale, etc. At one point not
> even halfway through the journey, I had to pee so
> bad that I stopped at Sunflower, that vegetarian
> restaurant across from Madison High School.
> Someone was in the women’s room, so I just used
> the men’s room. DESPERATION.
>
> I saw at least two cars that had run out of gas in
> the middle of the road, which made traffic even
> fucking worse.
It was a complete cluster f of the county roads.
What's the name of the person who was in charge? Is that the Battlion Chief?
I'd like to follow up with a letter to the Board of Supervisors. This shit was ridiculous. A major highway COMPLETELY closed for 4hrs????
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
More Complete
()
Date: July 06, 2011 10:34AM
MoveCloser2Work Wrote:
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> Here's an idea, stop complaining if:
> 1) you decided to LIVE somewhere in bumblecok, VA
> and/OR
> 2) you decided to LIVE fkn 30+ miles away from
> your job
>
> Enjoy the rest of your miserable trips to and from
> miserable jobs, deal with it or GTFO. Ultimately,
> it was your decision to live way the fk down the
> worst road in america. Happy 4th btw.
I definitely agree. Living right next door and on top of jerks like you would give me much less to complain about.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 10:35AM by More Complete.
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> Here's an idea, stop complaining if:
> 1) you decided to LIVE somewhere in bumblecok, VA
> and/OR
> 2) you decided to LIVE fkn 30+ miles away from
> your job
>
> Enjoy the rest of your miserable trips to and from
> miserable jobs, deal with it or GTFO. Ultimately,
> it was your decision to live way the fk down the
> worst road in america. Happy 4th btw.
I definitely agree. Living right next door and on top of jerks like you would give me much less to complain about.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 10:35AM by More Complete.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
More Complete
()
Date: July 06, 2011 10:37AM
Blank Reg Wrote:
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> I had to pee so
> bad that I stopped at Sunflower, that vegetarian
> restaurant across from Madison High School.
Sunflower is awesome. Try the monkey balls!
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> I had to pee so
> bad that I stopped at Sunflower, that vegetarian
> restaurant across from Madison High School.
Sunflower is awesome. Try the monkey balls!
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
whyme?
()
Date: July 06, 2011 10:43AM
i reiterate,
I guess my question was taken too literally by FFFF. Obviously a low class smartass, I was questioning why does these "preventable" incidents keep happening? Anyways, I agree with you. If there is already a law on the books to keep it covered the trucking company should be jalied or HEAVILY fined.
BlankReg,
Next time try taking Rt 123 to Jermantown to Oakton Rd, Then take Oakton Rd to West OX Rd. Then West OX RD to Rt 50 which will dump you onto I66, Everytime I get on West Ox Rd it always saves me a bunch of time.
I guess my question was taken too literally by FFFF. Obviously a low class smartass, I was questioning why does these "preventable" incidents keep happening? Anyways, I agree with you. If there is already a law on the books to keep it covered the trucking company should be jalied or HEAVILY fined.
BlankReg,
Next time try taking Rt 123 to Jermantown to Oakton Rd, Then take Oakton Rd to West OX Rd. Then West OX RD to Rt 50 which will dump you onto I66, Everytime I get on West Ox Rd it always saves me a bunch of time.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: July 06, 2011 11:15AM
whyme? Wrote:
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> following their GPS telling them to
> take Germaintown to RT 50. HA - HA.
Why can NO ONE call the road what it is called? It is Jermantown Road.
THIS is "Germaintown"
-------------------------------------------------------
> following their GPS telling them to
> take Germaintown to RT 50. HA - HA.
Why can NO ONE call the road what it is called? It is Jermantown Road.
THIS is "Germaintown"
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: July 06, 2011 11:29AM
Anybody who was stuck in all this shit remember what VDOT's overhead signs were saying? Probably just "Use Alt Route"...
There needs to be a plan, for when they have to do huge detours like this, where they adjust signal timing to keep the main road moving and stopped less.
There needs to be a plan, for when they have to do huge detours like this, where they adjust signal timing to keep the main road moving and stopped less.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
jhey
()
Date: July 06, 2011 12:49PM
whyme? Wrote:
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> If there is already a law on the books to keep it
> covered the trucking company should be jalied or
> HEAVILY fined.
The county needs to hire cops that specialize in these types of situations.
Stay out of Fairfax, deadbeat!
-------------------------------------------------------
> If there is already a law on the books to keep it
> covered the trucking company should be jalied or
> HEAVILY fined.
The county needs to hire cops that specialize in these types of situations.
Stay out of Fairfax, deadbeat!
I'M A FIVE-STAR MAN!!
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Agreed
()
Date: July 06, 2011 01:01PM
KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Anybody who was stuck in all this shit remember
> what VDOT's overhead signs were saying? Probably
> just "Use Alt Route"...
>
> There needs to be a plan, for when they have to do
> huge detours like this, where they adjust signal
> timing to keep the main road moving and stopped
> less.
Agreed +2. It always seems like Fairfax county emergency personnel are like ants and misdirected. There should be cameras in place to monitor traffic lights and backups and a central command area that can adjust the lights.
God forbid if there was a real emergency like a major evacuation because of some gas cloud... half the county would be dead because of grid lock.
We must be over paying salaries if this the best that can be done. We could hire high school kids that could do the same or better.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anybody who was stuck in all this shit remember
> what VDOT's overhead signs were saying? Probably
> just "Use Alt Route"...
>
> There needs to be a plan, for when they have to do
> huge detours like this, where they adjust signal
> timing to keep the main road moving and stopped
> less.
Agreed +2. It always seems like Fairfax county emergency personnel are like ants and misdirected. There should be cameras in place to monitor traffic lights and backups and a central command area that can adjust the lights.
God forbid if there was a real emergency like a major evacuation because of some gas cloud... half the county would be dead because of grid lock.
We must be over paying salaries if this the best that can be done. We could hire high school kids that could do the same or better.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
thread-title-fail
()
Date: July 06, 2011 01:10PM
66Blows Wrote:
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> Happening now-fire on 66 W
> Posted by: 66Blows ()
I just checked and there is no fire now, wtf
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> Happening now-fire on 66 W
> Posted by: 66Blows ()
I just checked and there is no fire now, wtf
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
ThreadStart
()
Date: July 06, 2011 02:08PM
thread-title-fail Wrote:
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> 66Blows Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Happening now-fire on 66 W
> > Posted by: 66Blows ()
>
> I just checked and there is no fire now, wtf
It would be nice to see the thread start date next to the title.
-------------------------------------------------------
> 66Blows Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Happening now-fire on 66 W
> > Posted by: 66Blows ()
>
> I just checked and there is no fire now, wtf
It would be nice to see the thread start date next to the title.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
sound, rational adult wipes single tear from cheek
()
Date: July 06, 2011 04:35PM
If you meet this criteria, post your reply here!
- reasoning skills of a 12 year old hormonal girl
- stuck in traffic and have a smartphone
- narcissistic personality disorder
- relatively worthless in real life scenarios
- poor grammatical skills
- believe people care about your opinion
- want to reach >50 people
- reasoning skills of a 12 year old hormonal girl
- stuck in traffic and have a smartphone
- narcissistic personality disorder
- relatively worthless in real life scenarios
- poor grammatical skills
- believe people care about your opinion
- want to reach >50 people
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Optium
()
Date: July 06, 2011 05:35PM
sound, rational adult wipes single tear from cheek Wrote:
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> If you meet this criteria, post your reply here!
>
> - reasoning skills of a 12 year old hormonal girl
> - stuck in traffic and have a smartphone
> - narcissistic personality disorder
> - relatively worthless in real life scenarios
> - poor grammatical skills
> - believe people care about your opinion
> - want to reach >50 people
Ok, now you've hurt my feelings.
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> If you meet this criteria, post your reply here!
>
> - reasoning skills of a 12 year old hormonal girl
> - stuck in traffic and have a smartphone
> - narcissistic personality disorder
> - relatively worthless in real life scenarios
> - poor grammatical skills
> - believe people care about your opinion
> - want to reach >50 people
Ok, now you've hurt my feelings.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Why?
()
Date: July 06, 2011 07:46PM
I can't understand why the entrance ramp from Nutley Rd to 66 wasn't closed. They were letting cars onto 66 just so they could sit there for over 2 hours to get to 123. It just made the traffic that much worse. They could have at least diverted them to the Metro parking exit. Plenty of cops were sitting by there motorcycles doing nothing.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W
Posted by:
Assertive Alpha Male
()
Date: July 07, 2011 10:48AM
For all those who were critical of people posting complaints here, Consider this...
1). These are tax payers or the sons/daughters of tax payers. They have every right to complain about this ongoing crappy service by the county. Come on now, use some common sense. Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling again.
2). What kind of desk jockey idiot agrees with the idea of blocking traffic for hours, especially going into a rush hour situation? Stupidity, outright Stupidity. The greater risk is this...That was a code "Orange" day coupled with the heat, plus being in traffic for hours = medical emergencies.
Fairfax County get it together!!!
1). These are tax payers or the sons/daughters of tax payers. They have every right to complain about this ongoing crappy service by the county. Come on now, use some common sense. Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling again.
2). What kind of desk jockey idiot agrees with the idea of blocking traffic for hours, especially going into a rush hour situation? Stupidity, outright Stupidity. The greater risk is this...That was a code "Orange" day coupled with the heat, plus being in traffic for hours = medical emergencies.
Fairfax County get it together!!!
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: July 07, 2011 10:55AM
"Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling" sounds like you didn't see the accident pics. How exactly are authorities supposed to get frontloaders and other equipment to scoop up that stuff, after the fire is put out, with all the arterials gridlocked? What, you want that equipment airlifted? Maybe you'll take a massive tax hike to place a frontloader on the shoulder every two miles of highways in Fairfax County "just in case"?
Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when you leave work you'll know something has happened and you should chill somewhere around your workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do something and wait it out. It isn't like this happens every week, something that bad MIGHT happen once per year but I can't remember the last time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when you leave work you'll know something has happened and you should chill somewhere around your workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do something and wait it out. It isn't like this happens every week, something that bad MIGHT happen once per year but I can't remember the last time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
xnWGc
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:06AM
justsayin Wrote:
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> "Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling"
> sounds like you didn't see the accident pics. How
> exactly are authorities supposed to get
> frontloaders and other equipment to scoop up that
> stuff, after the fire is put out, with all the
> arterials gridlocked? What, you want that
> equipment airlifted? Maybe you'll take a massive
> tax hike to place a frontloader on the shoulder
> every two miles of highways in Fairfax County
> "just in case"?
>
> Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a
> computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY
> to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless
> your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when
> you leave work you'll know something has happened
> and you should chill somewhere around your
> workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do
> something and wait it out. It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
There was no reason the charred hay couldn't have sat on the roadside for a few more hours. If I had been in charge, I would have put the fire out, shoved the ashes/hay as far right as possible, then reopened the three left lanes and kept the right lane/shoulder closed. Then, once traffic had calmed more (say around 9 PM) shut down the three right lanes and performed the cleanup. I would have also left a pumper truck or two on scene just in case the hay flared up again.
That would have been a reasonably logical plan. Unfortunately logic and Government are as far apart as the east is from the west.
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> "Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling"
> sounds like you didn't see the accident pics. How
> exactly are authorities supposed to get
> frontloaders and other equipment to scoop up that
> stuff, after the fire is put out, with all the
> arterials gridlocked? What, you want that
> equipment airlifted? Maybe you'll take a massive
> tax hike to place a frontloader on the shoulder
> every two miles of highways in Fairfax County
> "just in case"?
>
> Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a
> computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY
> to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless
> your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when
> you leave work you'll know something has happened
> and you should chill somewhere around your
> workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do
> something and wait it out. It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
There was no reason the charred hay couldn't have sat on the roadside for a few more hours. If I had been in charge, I would have put the fire out, shoved the ashes/hay as far right as possible, then reopened the three left lanes and kept the right lane/shoulder closed. Then, once traffic had calmed more (say around 9 PM) shut down the three right lanes and performed the cleanup. I would have also left a pumper truck or two on scene just in case the hay flared up again.
That would have been a reasonably logical plan. Unfortunately logic and Government are as far apart as the east is from the west.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:16AM
justsayin Wrote:
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> It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
How quickly we forget...
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/567981/567981.html
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> It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
How quickly we forget...
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/567981/567981.html
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
HAY
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:23AM
It was a bunch of HAY! HAY... I can only imagine how long a chemical spill would have a major highway closed for in Fairfax county, probably weeks.
Maybe terrorists in Fairfax county should abandon other plans and just dump some hay on roads.
A major interstate closed for 4 hours because of hay on the road?????
At least open up two lanes after an hour. They could of used the left shoulder as one lane + left lane and still had 3 lanes and the right should to work in. Place two fire trucks around the work area and good to go.
Maybe terrorists in Fairfax county should abandon other plans and just dump some hay on roads.
A major interstate closed for 4 hours because of hay on the road?????
At least open up two lanes after an hour. They could of used the left shoulder as one lane + left lane and still had 3 lanes and the right should to work in. Place two fire trucks around the work area and good to go.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
OpenLane
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:26AM
Open lanes
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Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:26AM
xnWGc Wrote:
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> There was no reason the charred hay couldn't have
> sat on the roadside for a few more hours. If I
> had been in charge, I would have put the fire out,
> shoved the ashes/hay as far right as possible,
> then reopened the three left lanes and kept the
> right lane/shoulder closed.
You either weren't watching the traffic camera feed or are not being serious. The debris was across at least two lanes. How are you going to "shove" that over to the right? Using the force? To move tons of stuff off a road you need equipment.
> That would have been a reasonably logical plan.
Yes, if you are a moron that doesn't understand physics. Debris is massive, mass has weight because we have gravity here. To move heavy shit you need a heavy shit mover. Getting heavy shit movers to an area of highway when the area is gridlocked for miles takes time.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2011 11:28AM by justsayin.
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> There was no reason the charred hay couldn't have
> sat on the roadside for a few more hours. If I
> had been in charge, I would have put the fire out,
> shoved the ashes/hay as far right as possible,
> then reopened the three left lanes and kept the
> right lane/shoulder closed.
You either weren't watching the traffic camera feed or are not being serious. The debris was across at least two lanes. How are you going to "shove" that over to the right? Using the force? To move tons of stuff off a road you need equipment.
> That would have been a reasonably logical plan.
Yes, if you are a moron that doesn't understand physics. Debris is massive, mass has weight because we have gravity here. To move heavy shit you need a heavy shit mover. Getting heavy shit movers to an area of highway when the area is gridlocked for miles takes time.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2011 11:28AM by justsayin.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:27AM
Ut videam Wrote:
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> How quickly we forget...
>
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/567
> 981/567981.html
Agreed, I did forget that. That was so two months ago.
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> How quickly we forget...
>
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/567
> 981/567981.html
Agreed, I did forget that. That was so two months ago.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
do more than just say
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:37AM
justsayin Wrote:
> You either weren't watching the traffic camera
> feed or are not being serious. The debris was
> across at least two lanes. How are you going to
> "shove" that over to the right? Using the force?
> To move tons of stuff off a road you need
> equipment.
>
>
>
> > That would have been a reasonably logical plan.
>
>
> Yes, if you are a moron that doesn't understand
> physics. Debris is massive, mass has weight
> because we have gravity here. To move heavy shit
> you need a heavy shit mover. Getting heavy shit
> movers to an area of highway when the area is
> gridlocked for miles takes time.
dude if you did watch the traffic feed, they had bobcats, backhoes, dump trucks, and roll off trailers out there... they did actually move the stuff, but they did it slowly by lifting pile after pile into dump trucks to haul off. they could have used less finesse, pushed it to the side quickly, and opened lanes no problem.
the debris wasn't in the road to begin with. they actually pulled it into the road to spread it out so they could ensure the fire was completely extinguished.
the reality is they definitely stuck to the better safe than sorry motto, but it seems they took it a little farther than necessary -- that's all.
> You either weren't watching the traffic camera
> feed or are not being serious. The debris was
> across at least two lanes. How are you going to
> "shove" that over to the right? Using the force?
> To move tons of stuff off a road you need
> equipment.
>
>
>
> > That would have been a reasonably logical plan.
>
>
> Yes, if you are a moron that doesn't understand
> physics. Debris is massive, mass has weight
> because we have gravity here. To move heavy shit
> you need a heavy shit mover. Getting heavy shit
> movers to an area of highway when the area is
> gridlocked for miles takes time.
dude if you did watch the traffic feed, they had bobcats, backhoes, dump trucks, and roll off trailers out there... they did actually move the stuff, but they did it slowly by lifting pile after pile into dump trucks to haul off. they could have used less finesse, pushed it to the side quickly, and opened lanes no problem.
the debris wasn't in the road to begin with. they actually pulled it into the road to spread it out so they could ensure the fire was completely extinguished.
the reality is they definitely stuck to the better safe than sorry motto, but it seems they took it a little farther than necessary -- that's all.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
Gridlock
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:37AM
justsayin Wrote:
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> Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a
> computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY
> to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless
> your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when
> you leave work you'll know something has happened
> and you should chill somewhere around your
> workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do
> something and wait it out. It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
Even with a phone or traffic reports having a major artery closed is going to have the county traffic grid locked. It doesn't matter what route your phone gives you.
Sit and chill? You must not have kids that are expected you to pick them up a daycare\school, get them to a soccer game or doctor appointment?
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> Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a
> computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY
> to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless
> your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when
> you leave work you'll know something has happened
> and you should chill somewhere around your
> workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do
> something and wait it out. It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
Even with a phone or traffic reports having a major artery closed is going to have the county traffic grid locked. It doesn't matter what route your phone gives you.
Sit and chill? You must not have kids that are expected you to pick them up a daycare\school, get them to a soccer game or doctor appointment?
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:48AM
Gridlock Wrote:
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> Even with a phone or traffic reports having a
> major artery closed is going to have the county
> traffic grid locked. It doesn't matter what route
> your phone gives you.
Of course, that's why you may have to stay elsewhere around your workplace. But if you pay attention to a traffic report you aren't discovering a problem after you are already stuck somewhere with no escape for hours.
> Sit and chill? You must not have kids that are
> expected you to pick them up a daycare\school, get
> them to a soccer game or doctor appointment?
That's what the phone part is for. You call ahead to the daycare place, say "I'll need extended day charges today" or call the doctor and say "can't make it, charge me if you have to but turn on the news".
do more than just say Wrote:
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> dude if you did watch the traffic feed, they had bobcats,
> backhoes, dump trucks, and roll off trailers out there...
Please identify the backhoes and bobcats in the 4:18p traffic feed pic above. That was two hours after the incident occurred, and debris was still across all lanes. Add to that timestamp the arrival of the equipment, discussion with personnel on where to safely put it, and then either shoving it over (without using the force) or dropping it in dump trucks. The fact that we see it mostly cleared in another shot less than two hours later isn't unreasonable given what had to be done, looking at the two pics as before-after events separated by 110 minutes.
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> Even with a phone or traffic reports having a
> major artery closed is going to have the county
> traffic grid locked. It doesn't matter what route
> your phone gives you.
Of course, that's why you may have to stay elsewhere around your workplace. But if you pay attention to a traffic report you aren't discovering a problem after you are already stuck somewhere with no escape for hours.
> Sit and chill? You must not have kids that are
> expected you to pick them up a daycare\school, get
> them to a soccer game or doctor appointment?
That's what the phone part is for. You call ahead to the daycare place, say "I'll need extended day charges today" or call the doctor and say "can't make it, charge me if you have to but turn on the news".
do more than just say Wrote:
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> dude if you did watch the traffic feed, they had bobcats,
> backhoes, dump trucks, and roll off trailers out there...
Please identify the backhoes and bobcats in the 4:18p traffic feed pic above. That was two hours after the incident occurred, and debris was still across all lanes. Add to that timestamp the arrival of the equipment, discussion with personnel on where to safely put it, and then either shoving it over (without using the force) or dropping it in dump trucks. The fact that we see it mostly cleared in another shot less than two hours later isn't unreasonable given what had to be done, looking at the two pics as before-after events separated by 110 minutes.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
Assertive Alpha Male
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:56AM
justsayin Wrote:
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> "Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling"
> sounds like you didn't see the accident pics. How
> exactly are authorities supposed to get
> frontloaders and other equipment to scoop up that
> stuff, after the fire is put out, with all the
> arterials gridlocked? What, you want that
> equipment airlifted? Maybe you'll take a massive
> tax hike to place a frontloader on the shoulder
> every two miles of highways in Fairfax County
> "just in case"?
>
> Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a
> computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY
> to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless
> your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when
> you leave work you'll know something has happened
> and you should chill somewhere around your
> workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do
> something and wait it out. It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
Easy, they pull them out of the storage area off they have them near 123 and escort them with sirens through traffic. The smaller ones would have to be used instead of the larger units that the county uses for snow. They used to do this years ago when I was with the department.
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> "Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling"
> sounds like you didn't see the accident pics. How
> exactly are authorities supposed to get
> frontloaders and other equipment to scoop up that
> stuff, after the fire is put out, with all the
> arterials gridlocked? What, you want that
> equipment airlifted? Maybe you'll take a massive
> tax hike to place a frontloader on the shoulder
> every two miles of highways in Fairfax County
> "just in case"?
>
> Shit happens. You have a phone, you have a
> computer at work, you have a radio. It is SO EASY
> to get traffic info before you leave work. Unless
> your head is voluntarily a foot up your ass when
> you leave work you'll know something has happened
> and you should chill somewhere around your
> workplace a couple hours, go eat somewhere, do
> something and wait it out. It isn't like this
> happens every week, something that bad MIGHT
> happen once per year but I can't remember the last
> time the 66 corridor was screwed that badly.
Easy, they pull them out of the storage area off they have them near 123 and escort them with sirens through traffic. The smaller ones would have to be used instead of the larger units that the county uses for snow. They used to do this years ago when I was with the department.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: July 07, 2011 11:57AM
justsayin Wrote:
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> "Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling"
> sounds like you didn't see the accident pics. How
> exactly are authorities supposed to get
> frontloaders and other equipment to scoop up that
> stuff, after the fire is put out, with all the
> arterials gridlocked? What, you want that
> equipment airlifted? Maybe you'll take a massive
> tax hike to place a frontloader on the shoulder
> every two miles of highways in Fairfax County
> "just in case"?
>
There is a VDOT equipment yard at 66 and Fairfax County Parkway, about 3 miles straight west on 66. Since eastbound lanes were gridlocked as well, they could have easily driven a front loader or three (perhaps with a police car driving in front of it) directly down the shoulder to the scene with no problem.
From the pictures I saw from the traffic camera, there was a backhoe and 2 skid steers, none of which had the VDOT orange color, leading me to believe they were contractor's equipment. Maybe contractors can mobilize faster? But they would have had to drive through all the traffic to get there.
I suppose they saved money by having the equipment rented for less time by just cleaning it up right away rather than waiting.
As for "put a front end loader every 2 miles just in case" Well I have noticed Willow Springs Towing seems to stage a tow truck on 66 near the Beltway or Vienna Metro, i would presume this is "just in case" so they can get to a crash faster and open the road faster.
Having said that, it occurs to me that there is a large amount of construction equipment located in a temporary yard in the intersection of rt 123 and 66, perhaps this is where the front loaders came from
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> "Clear the obstruction and get traffic rolling"
> sounds like you didn't see the accident pics. How
> exactly are authorities supposed to get
> frontloaders and other equipment to scoop up that
> stuff, after the fire is put out, with all the
> arterials gridlocked? What, you want that
> equipment airlifted? Maybe you'll take a massive
> tax hike to place a frontloader on the shoulder
> every two miles of highways in Fairfax County
> "just in case"?
>
There is a VDOT equipment yard at 66 and Fairfax County Parkway, about 3 miles straight west on 66. Since eastbound lanes were gridlocked as well, they could have easily driven a front loader or three (perhaps with a police car driving in front of it) directly down the shoulder to the scene with no problem.
From the pictures I saw from the traffic camera, there was a backhoe and 2 skid steers, none of which had the VDOT orange color, leading me to believe they were contractor's equipment. Maybe contractors can mobilize faster? But they would have had to drive through all the traffic to get there.
I suppose they saved money by having the equipment rented for less time by just cleaning it up right away rather than waiting.
As for "put a front end loader every 2 miles just in case" Well I have noticed Willow Springs Towing seems to stage a tow truck on 66 near the Beltway or Vienna Metro, i would presume this is "just in case" so they can get to a crash faster and open the road faster.
Having said that, it occurs to me that there is a large amount of construction equipment located in a temporary yard in the intersection of rt 123 and 66, perhaps this is where the front loaders came from
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
Salary
()
Date: July 07, 2011 12:12PM
For the amount of money we pay in taxes and salaries to emergency personnel this was a complete traffic cluster f.
I don't see why after all these years there is no emergency plan to clear major roadways faster.
It seems the county, police and fire just kinda operate as "Oh well... close it until we can get our heads out of asses."
How about some standards like no major interstate closed for more than 1 hour. Then figure out the logistics of what that will take in different situations.
A heavy duty tow truck, two backhoes and large dump should take care of about 95% and be able to clear any scene in under an hour.
I don't see why after all these years there is no emergency plan to clear major roadways faster.
It seems the county, police and fire just kinda operate as "Oh well... close it until we can get our heads out of asses."
How about some standards like no major interstate closed for more than 1 hour. Then figure out the logistics of what that will take in different situations.
A heavy duty tow truck, two backhoes and large dump should take care of about 95% and be able to clear any scene in under an hour.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
OhareTowing
()
Date: July 07, 2011 12:22PM
I bet OHare towing in Chicago could of cleaned that shit up in 45 minutes. Also notice how traffic is moving in the other lane.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
OhareTowing
()
Date: July 07, 2011 12:23PM
How it's done in Chicago - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SozTzWOieBw&feature=player_embedded
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
Assertive Alpha Male
()
Date: July 07, 2011 12:42PM
Salary Wrote:
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> For the amount of money we pay in taxes and
> salaries to emergency personnel this was a
> complete traffic cluster f.
>
> I don't see why after all these years there is no
> emergency plan to clear major roadways faster.
>
> It seems the county, police and fire just kinda
> operate as "Oh well... close it until we can get
> our heads out of asses."
>
> How about some standards like no major interstate
> closed for more than 1 hour. Then figure out the
> logistics of what that will take in different
> situations.
>
> A heavy duty tow truck, two backhoes and large
> dump should take care of about 95% and be able to
> clear any scene in under an hour.
The issue isn't money, it's a matter of intelligence, common sense, and sadly politics. When I was in the department, I saw the transition in management from people who could think and made decisions. These days CYA is the golden rule. That is to say, everyone does everything by the book and no one, absolutely no one, will make a decision on the record. Everyone is afraid that they will lose their job if that decision is unpopular.
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> For the amount of money we pay in taxes and
> salaries to emergency personnel this was a
> complete traffic cluster f.
>
> I don't see why after all these years there is no
> emergency plan to clear major roadways faster.
>
> It seems the county, police and fire just kinda
> operate as "Oh well... close it until we can get
> our heads out of asses."
>
> How about some standards like no major interstate
> closed for more than 1 hour. Then figure out the
> logistics of what that will take in different
> situations.
>
> A heavy duty tow truck, two backhoes and large
> dump should take care of about 95% and be able to
> clear any scene in under an hour.
The issue isn't money, it's a matter of intelligence, common sense, and sadly politics. When I was in the department, I saw the transition in management from people who could think and made decisions. These days CYA is the golden rule. That is to say, everyone does everything by the book and no one, absolutely no one, will make a decision on the record. Everyone is afraid that they will lose their job if that decision is unpopular.
Re: Happening now-fire on 66 W [7/5/2011]
Posted by:
Assertive Alpha Male
()
Date: July 07, 2011 01:46PM
I wanted to add something to this conversation, some years ago when I was with the department, Disney was very interested in opening a park in Prince William County and had agreed to pay to upgrade the roads. Its too bad they didn't because now all that land that was allocated for the park has a large amount of townhouses. With that many new people in the area, and little or no improvements to 66 and the other arteries, its no wonder traffic gets bottlenecked everyday regardless of an accident.