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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Mouth Breather ()
Date: June 23, 2014 06:40PM

Oh, I see, you are just some random guy that comes to the defense of pedophiles. It all makes sense now.

Shit for brains.


If you interpret what was said as being in "defense" of pedophiles, you are obviously as much of a reactionary fucktard as that stalker Wingnut.

Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia Law.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Ex FC ()
Date: June 23, 2014 07:17PM

The bail amount does seem relatively low, given the nature of the alleged offense. Presumably the court order forbidding him to live with his own children is still in effect.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Question 67 ()
Date: June 23, 2014 07:25PM

Here's a question for you legal scholars...why do you call this guy a pedofag?

He's a pedophile who preyed on females, which makes him a...pedophile...is "pedofag" some made up joke word because it's easier for most of you to pronounce than "pedophile?"

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Concerned Viewer ()
Date: June 23, 2014 07:31PM

Holy shit, 10, TEN stalker posts in a row by Wingnut!

Um dude, you need to push yourself away from the keyboard, Mkay?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 23, 2014 09:24PM

https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: All the signs ()
Date: June 23, 2014 09:54PM

Wingnut, you have to go pretty far to be more mentally ill than a pedophile, but you've gone and done it!

Congratulations.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 23, 2014 10:10PM

https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Alleged slumber party molester free on bond
Posted by: Free on Bond ()
Date: June 24, 2014 07:05AM

Alleged slumber party molester free on bond
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/falls-church/2014/06/23/michael-garnder-bond-child-molestation-conviction-falls-church/11262021/

ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- After two years behind bars, Michael Gardner was released as a free man today. He left the Arlington County detention Center with his family friends and wife.

Robyn Gardner is a former Falls Church City mayor and council member. Her husband's convictions for molesting two girls were reversed on June 5 by the Virginia Supreme Court.

Gardner still faces the charges from 2011 and he will be tried again. He's accused of sexually fondling two girls, ages 9 and 10, during the night at his daughter's slumber party.

Prosecutor Nicole Wittman argued Gardner be held without bond, saying there is significant DNA evidence against him.

During his first trial, the prosecution presented concentrated DNA evidence that pointed to Gardner. It was found on the inside crotch of one of the girls panties.

Similar DNA evidence found on the other child's pajama bottoms also presented.

To watch the news story go here:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/falls-church/2014/06/23/michael-garnder-bond-child-molestation-conviction-falls-church/11262021/
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: hmmmmmm ()
Date: June 24, 2014 09:52AM

Mouth Breather Wrote:
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> Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia
> Law.

Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we actually incarcerate pedos...

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Actually... ()
Date: June 24, 2014 10:32AM

Mouth Breather Wrote:
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> Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia
> Law.

Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we actually incarcerate pedos...


My goodness, what a clever fellow you are...and it only took you such a short time to come up with your witty response...yes, it totally tears me up that pedos are incarcerated.

LOL

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: hmmmmmmm ()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:04PM

Actually... Wrote:
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> Mouth Breather Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have
> Sharia
> > Law.
>
> Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we
> actually incarcerate pedos...
>
>
> My goodness, what a clever fellow you are...and it
> only took you such a short time to come up with
> your witty response...

Oh, I see, you are under the impression that I somehow feel the need to come back here and see if you responded. Silly fellow, don't project your obsession on others.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Dazed Onlooker ()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:17PM

But, but, you obviously DID feel the need to come back here, which is what you have just done!

Hmmmm, how many other deeply repressed compulsions are you desperately fighting to keep from emerging?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: U97n9 ()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:28PM

In the News... Wrote:
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> Falls Church authorities were contacted by the
> female victims who were at home and told officers
> that Gardner had inappropriate psychical contact
> with them. The statement says after police
> interviewed the victims who were at home, they
> obtained search warrants for DNA.
>

NO

and are the "victims" all mexicans that need citizenship ? maybe democrats trying to oust a white guy ? maybe girls who were late on rent and owed it and usu. payed that way ?

people line up for lawsuits on , ie , teachers if they hear a sniff of a claim

POINT: they have to prove it , show injury or complain just after it happend at least: not just rumor it a year after since someone else had complained (possible falsely, there are evil women you know, they are not %99.5 pure like ivory soap i'd say far from it)

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prove it

the court cannot decide cases of mere accusation , there MUST be injury or better co-oberation than angry bitches

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Financial Partner ()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:54PM

NO

and are the "victims" all mexicans that need citizenship ? maybe democrats trying to oust a white guy ? maybe girls who were late on rent and owed it and usu. payed that way ?

people line up for lawsuits on , ie , teachers if they hear a sniff of a claim

POINT: they have to prove it , show injury or complain just after it happend at least: not just rumor it a year after since someone else had complained (possible falsely, there are evil women you know, they are not %99.5 pure like ivory soap i'd say far from it)

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prove it

the court cannot decide cases of mere accusation , there MUST be injury or better co-oberation than angry bitches



Well said, sir, well said. You obviously are of a higher mental caliber than most posters here.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: hmmmmm ()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:57PM

Dazed Onlooker Wrote:
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> But, but, you obviously DID feel the need to come
> back here, which is what you have just done!
>
> Hmmmm, how many other deeply repressed compulsions
> are you desperately fighting to keep from
> emerging?

Don't confuse a casual peek in for an obsession, fool. The post was clearly in response to his perceived lack of timeliness on my part in responding to his obsessed drivel. I am sure you spend much of your day dazed...

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Finlandia Grouping ()
Date: June 24, 2014 02:21PM

Don't confuse a casual peek in for an obsession, fool. The post was clearly in response to his perceived lack of timeliness on my part in responding to his obsessed drivel. I am sure you spend much of your day dazed...


Are you U97n9?

Probably not. You're even less lucid than he is.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: hmmmmm ()
Date: June 24, 2014 02:39PM

Finlandia Grouping Wrote:
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>
> Are you U97n9?
>
> Probably not. You're even less lucid than he is.

I am not sure you know what lucid means.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Brownstone Esq ()
Date: June 24, 2014 03:11PM

I am not sure you know what lucid means.



I am not sure you know what the legal process means...

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: hmmmmm ()
Date: June 24, 2014 03:24PM

Brownstone Esq Wrote:
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> I am not sure you know what lucid means.
>
>
>
> I am not sure you know what the legal process
> means...


Speaking of lucid, you may need a lesson.

WTF are you talking about? Legal process? How is that even relevant to any of my posts???

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Sex Offender Wedding Registry ()
Date: June 24, 2014 04:52PM

Striking similarity.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Broad St. Bully ()
Date: June 24, 2014 05:43PM

Sex Offender Wedding Registry Wrote:
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> Striking similarity.



LOL!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 25, 2014 08:03PM

Sex Offender Wedding Registry Wrote:
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> Striking similarity.

LOL Robin Gardner could rent that forehead to GoldenPalace.com for ad space and maybe pay for Mikey's defense.


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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 25, 2014 08:09PM

https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: COL Mustard ()
Date: June 25, 2014 10:40PM

If he doesn't try for a plea deal, he's completely f-ing insane. He knows what the evidence is...

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Loudin Proud ()
Date: June 25, 2014 11:08PM

Great photo op for the missus. Moving trucks bringing them home next week, enrolling the kids back in school. A real hero's welcome.

Of course, he's not supposed to be with kids under 18 unsupervised, but I'm sure his wife's idea of supervision is totally fine. Such a gentleman, too, licking his finger first.

Pillar of the community, that one. Falls Church must be so proud to win them back from Arlington.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 26, 2014 08:22AM

https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Numb Lock ()
Date: June 26, 2014 09:48AM

Our side?

We're 60 Falls Church PEDOFAGS, and we're growing stronger every day! We've infiltrated businesses, local government, the court system, churches, even this bulletin board!

And we're coming after you, Wingnut. Thanks for keeping this thread alive!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 26, 2014 10:07AM

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Bluegrass ()
Date: June 28, 2014 08:40AM

I don't understand why people are so upset by a fair system of justice. Mr. Gardner was wrongfully convicted and the highest court in the state agreed. He should have been freed.

Now the prosecution and the Keystone Kops have another chance to earn the conviction the proper way with a fair trial. If he is guilty, then he is guilty. Just do it the right way.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: What? ()
Date: June 28, 2014 11:24AM

What, you want to rely on traditional court system? Where a defendant is guaranteed the right to a fair trial, and examination of all evidence for and against the defendant, without hysteria or mob action?

A system, as demonstrated by this case, where the defendant will be retried on the same charges, but without procedural errors this time?


Ar you a PEDOFAG?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: New Trial Date ()
Date: July 01, 2014 11:53AM

"Recently the Virginia Supreme Court reversed a decision finding former (and perhaps future) Falls Church resident Michael Armin Gardner guilty of multiple charges of child molestation. Following the reversal, the Arlington County Circuit Court has freed Gardner from prison on a $50,000 bond pending a new trial scheduled for February 2, 2015. Having had a two-plus year taste of prison life while his appeal was working its way through the system, Gardner might be tempted to agree to a plea bargain in order to avoid the expense of a new trial and the possibility that he could be found guilty again and ordered to serve out his original 22-year prison sentence."

Read more at http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2014/06/30/gardner-case-virginia-supreme-court-may-next/

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Plea Bargain in the Works? ()
Date: July 11, 2014 08:07PM

http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2014/06/30/gardner-case-virginia-supreme-court-may-next/


Recently the Virginia Supreme Court reversed a decision finding former (and perhaps future) Falls Church resident Michael Armin Gardner guilty of multiple charges of child molestation. Following the reversal, the Arlington County Circuit Court has freed Gardner from prison on a $50,000 bond pending a new trial scheduled for February 2, 2015. Having had a two-plus year taste of prison life while his appeal was working its way through the system, Gardner might be tempted to agree to a plea bargain in order to avoid the expense of a new trial and the possibility that he could be found guilty again and ordered to serve out his original 22-year prison sentence.

Anyone in Gardner’s position might well be tempted to cut his losses and take the plea rather than gamble on an adverse outcome. Clearly at trial there was persuasive evidence, including physical evidence, to support the original finding of guilt. As discussed below, the Supreme Court’s reversal was based on a legal technicality. The Court’s majority and dissenting decisions suggest that it’s not a slam-dunk that a retrial will produce a different outcome, even as they recognize his right to a retrial.

Supreme Court Decision

On June 5 the Virginia Supreme Court, in a 6-1 decision, reversed the trial court’s finding that Michael Gardner was guilty of committing aggravated sexual battery and object sexual penetration against pre-teen girlfriends of his daughter who were attending a sleepover at the Gardner home.

The Court did not address the substance of the child molestation charges; rather, it has given Gardner an opportunity to mitigate the effect of the evidence given at trial. Specifically, the Court found that the trial court committed reversible legal error by refusing to permit two of Gardner’s character witnesses (Laurie Ombrembt and Katherine Allan) to testify to his “reputation in the community for being a good caretaker of children and for not being sexually assaultive or abusive toward them.” (The two were permitted to testify on the record their belief that Gardner had a reputation for “truth and veracity” and “peacefulness”.)

In reaching this decision the Justices relied, in pertinent part, on Virginia legal precedent holding that “a defendant is not limited solely to reputation evidence regarding truthfulness, but may offer evidence to prove good character for any trait relevant in the case.”

Dissent

The dissenting Justice agreed with the trial court’s decision not to allow Ombrembt’s and Allan’s testimony regarding Gardner’s reputation for “being a good caretaker of children.” The dissent relied on additional Commonwealth legal precedent holding that “a character witness in a criminal case ‘must be aware of the [accused’s] reputation in the community before [she] may testify,’” and on precedent defining what it means to have a “reputation in the community.”

Referencing Gardner’s offer at trial of a description of the testimony Ombrembt and Allan would give if permitted, the dissenting Justice found that the offered testimony was “ambiguous” and, in effect, consisted of the witnesses’s personal feelings toward Gardner and their personal lack of knowledge of any evidence “of any sort of bad conduct, sexual conduct, with minor children.” [Emphasis added.) There was insufficient evidence that the witnesses were qualified to speak authoritatively about the breadth within the community of Gardner’s purported reputation for child care. Thus, the offered reputational evidence “contained no statement that either Ombrembt or Allan was aware of Gardner’s reputation in the community for a trait regarding child care.” (Emphasis added.)

Accordingly, the Justice found that the exclusion of Ombrembt’s and Allan’s testimony by the trial court was consistent with Commonwealth legal precedent holding that “reputation is the aggregate voice of a community” not simply “what a few persons say or may think about the accused, it is what the community generally believes.”

This is the posture of the case as Michael Gardner returns to court on a legal procedural error, neither guilty nor innocent of the charges against him. He carries the baggage of evidence that has already convinced one jury that he is guilty of the alleged crimes. There is broad agreement in principle that, as the distinguished jurist, William Blackstone, observed: “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” And so, Mr. Gardner may have another day in court.

But what is the likelihood of his success? The proceedings in this case so far raise more than a little doubt. It’s a stretch to imagine that Ombrempt’s and Allan’s testimony, as it was described in the proffer at trial, will be sufficient to overcome the testamentary and physical evidence of abuse introduced at the initial trial. Surely the prosecutor, mindful of the full range of legal precedent set out in the Supreme Court decision and dissent, will put witnesses Ombrempt and Allan to the proof that they meet the legal standard of speaking with “the aggregate voice of the community” in reference to Gardner’s reputation regarding children.

The reversal in this case puts me in mind of the common law “one free bite rule”, relying as it does on Gardner’s right to have witnesses testify to their largely personal lack of knowledge that he ever molested a child in the past. It’s quite a leap to say such testimony would prove Gardner hasn’t molested a child for the first time, as alleged. The one free bite rule may forgive a dog’s first attack but it puts the owner on notice of potential future danger and puts the animal in jeopardy of a more permanent solution upon a subsequent attack.

Of course the rule does not and cannot apply literally in the case of proven child molestation; the first time must be fatal to the molester. But it does have some procedural similarity here. Mr. Gardner has now had his one free bite at the judicial system and will get a second bite. The girls he has been found once to have molested and their families will be subjected to the trauma of another trial. Unless some element of this case changes dramatically, it could be that his retrial produces a second guilty verdict and a more permanent solution to the harm suffered by the victims.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: lock your daughters up... ()
Date: July 13, 2014 11:07PM

The Gardners were enjoying an evening out on the W&OD trail this evening around 7:30 with another couple. Are they finally welcome back in FCC? Michael looked like he dropped a few pounds, Robin looked like she gained a few.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Stalking is Against the Law ()
Date: July 14, 2014 07:16PM

Disturbing to see some mouth breather is following the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what they had for dinner and what car they are driving?

Seriously this man has done nothing to you and should be left alone while the justice system decides his fate.

Get a life.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: people who support him are sick ()
Date: July 14, 2014 08:13PM

Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
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> Disturbing to see some mouth breather is following
> the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what
> they had for dinner and what car they are
> driving?
>
> Seriously this man has done nothing to you and
> should be left alone while the justice system
> decides his fate.
>
> Get a life.


Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I happened to be on a ride with my family and saw the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin though. He was there with another woman. My daughter was creeped out because she knows what he did to one of her peers.

Just because he got to keep his name off the sex offender list for a few months doesn't mean he isn't one. People need to know when dangerous individuals are out and about in their communities.

He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in front of a playground. That's just creepy. When he was out on bail the last time, he was denied visitation to his own children, you think it is appropriate for him to be hanging out at a playground?????

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Questionable ()
Date: July 14, 2014 08:48PM

people who support him are sick Wrote:
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> Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Disturbing to see some mouth breather is
> following
> > the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what
> > they had for dinner and what car they are
> > driving?
> >
> > Seriously this man has done nothing to you and
> > should be left alone while the justice system
> > decides his fate.
> >
> > Get a life.
>
>
> Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I
> happened to be on a ride with my family and saw
> the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin
> though. He was there with another woman. My
> daughter was creeped out because she knows what he
> did to one of her peers.
>
> Just because he got to keep his name off the sex
> offender list for a few months doesn't mean he
> isn't one. People need to know when dangerous
> individuals are out and about in their
> communities.
>
> He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in front
> of a playground. That's just creepy. When he was
> out on bail the last time, he was denied
> visitation to his own children, you think it is
> appropriate for him to be hanging out at a
> playground?????


I thought you said Robin gained some weight.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: people who support him are sick ()
Date: July 14, 2014 11:15PM

Questionable Wrote:
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> people who support him are sick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Disturbing to see some mouth breather is
> > following
> > > the Gardner family around. Can you tell us
> what
> > > they had for dinner and what car they are
> > > driving?
> > >
> > > Seriously this man has done nothing to you
> and
> > > should be left alone while the justice system
> > > decides his fate.
> > >
> > > Get a life.
> >
> >
> > Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I
> > happened to be on a ride with my family and saw
> > the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin
> > though. He was there with another woman. My
> > daughter was creeped out because she knows what
> he
> > did to one of her peers.
> >
> > Just because he got to keep his name off the
> sex
> > offender list for a few months doesn't mean he
> > isn't one. People need to know when dangerous
> > individuals are out and about in their
> > communities.
> >
> > He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in
> front
> > of a playground. That's just creepy. When he
> was
> > out on bail the last time, he was denied
> > visitation to his own children, you think it is
> > appropriate for him to be hanging out at a
> > playground?????
>
>
> I thought you said Robin gained some weight.

Like I said, I didn't see her. I saw Michael sitting in front of a playground with another woman. You do know that numerous folks frequent that trail, correct? Just because I didn't notice her doesn't meant she wasn't present. Someone else may have seen her.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Cheating on Robin? ()
Date: July 14, 2014 11:44PM

Who was the other woman, his sister?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Lookin Out ()
Date: July 15, 2014 09:41AM

Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A predator is on the loose. Next thing you know, he'll be at the neighborhood pool!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Post pics ()
Date: July 15, 2014 10:00AM

Here please.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Ozone ()
Date: July 15, 2014 10:08AM

Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A predator is on the loose. Next thing you know, he'll be at the neighborhood pool!



Retard

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Retards love pedophiles ()
Date: July 15, 2014 08:16PM

Ozone Wrote:
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> Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A
> predator is on the loose. Next thing you know,
> he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
>
>
>
> Retard


Maybe he needs a little money for his defense, do you have some daughters who need babysitting?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Lustbuster ()
Date: July 15, 2014 11:17PM

Ozone Wrote:
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> Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A
> predator is on the loose. Next thing you know,
> he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
>
>
>
> Retard


Maybe he needs a little money for his defense, do you have some daughters who need babysitting?


I bet you'd love to see some photos of little girls that need babysitting.


Retard.

And Goober

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: sorry ()
Date: July 16, 2014 08:37AM

Sorry but I don't see how anyone could give this convicted pedophile the benefit of the doubt and accept him back into their community. Mr. Gardner had and well paid team of attorneys that few defendants in Virginia courts could possibly afford and he was convicted on three of four counts by a jury of his peers.

It disturbs me that he was granted bond especially after the nature of the testimony that was presented by three brave young girls.

I don't know how people who defend him or would testify as "Character Witnesses" can sleep at night if they know what was testified to in that courtroom. Gardner is a sick man who deserves to spend every waking day in prison.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: sample ()
Date: July 16, 2014 09:27AM

It makes me feel good to hear all you no life people cry.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: FFXU Translator ()
Date: July 16, 2014 09:42AM

sample Wrote:
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> It makes me feel good to hear all you no life
> people cry.


TRANSLATION: I have no life and visit this thread to deliver insulting remarks to establish my existence as a troll.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Anonymous FC Neighbor ()
Date: July 20, 2014 08:00PM

There's never a happy ending to a child abuse story, but at least the father was able to get a little revenge on this scumbag.


http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/2014/07/18/alleged-molester-caught-in-the-act-by-childs-dad/index.html
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:49AM

^ Great pic! LOL

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: wonderin ()
Date: September 05, 2014 09:19AM

Anybody seen the ChoMo around? Scared for the children!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: NoMo ()
Date: September 05, 2014 04:37PM

Anybody seen the ChoMo around? Scared for the children!

I'm scared for your spelling and grammar!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: The Old Man in FC ()
Date: October 01, 2014 10:46AM

He's been arrested again. Here's the City of Falls Church news release:


Police Arrest Resident for Felony Sexual Battery

Wednesday, October 1, 2014 -- City of Falls Church Police have arrested and charged Michael A. Gardner with one felony count of aggravated sexual battery of a child. He was taken to the Arlington County Adult Detention Center and will be held without bond pending his court appearance.

On September 29, 2014, the Arlington Circuit Court Grand Jury returned two indictments charging Gardner with Aggravated Sexual Battery of a Child, with offense dates spanning 2009. The victim in the case is a family member who was under 13 years of age at the time she was assaulted. The allegations came to light only after Gardner was released from prison after his conviction was overturned by the Virginia Supreme Court in a 2011 case involving two counts of Aggravated Sexual Battery and one count of Object Sexual Penetration. The victim in the most recent case related the incident to an individual who, by law, is a mandated reporter of child abuse allegations.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: slicehisballsoff ()
Date: October 01, 2014 11:23AM

Where are his defenders now????

Something tells me he may be pleading out this time.

So, Robin stood by him this whole time?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Nostradamus ()
Date: October 01, 2014 11:54AM

I hope he enjoyed his temporary freedom.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: notsurprised ()
Date: October 01, 2014 12:21PM

Amazing.
Thank God he is off the streets.
I wonder how many more victims there are? Will there be bail?
Oh My!!!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 01, 2014 03:16PM

http://www.arlnow.com/2014/10/01/michael-gardner-charged-with-molestation-of-family-member/

GARDNERMICHAEL-ARMIN-240x300.jpg

This shouldn't make anyone feel good- glad he's locked back up but a read of the story tells you why and who the victim was. And how long the victim kept a secret.

Shaking my fucking head....


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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: G44DH ()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:36PM

He should have never had his conviction overturned. Stupidest reason in the history of the VA Supreme Court: his neighbor didn't get to say "He's a good guy".

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: still a defense witness? ()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:48PM

G44DH Wrote:
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> He should have never had his conviction
> overturned. Stupidest reason in the history of the
> VA Supreme Court: his neighbor didn't get to say
> "He's a good guy".


Wonder if the neighbor is still willing to take the stand to say he is a good guy....

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: October 01, 2014 08:02PM


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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 01, 2014 09:04PM

https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Editor's note ()
Date: October 01, 2014 09:42PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> The Old Man in FC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some interesting comments here:
> >
> >
> >
> http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested
>
> > -again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/#comments
>
> Ugh... The First Pedo Couple of the Gulch found a
> "home" in the Episcopal Church.
>
> It must be one of the super-inclusive and
> forgiving social gatherings filled with yupfuck
> trash and progtards.
>
> Bishop Pickering would roll over in his grave.



did you write this comment,Wingnut?

So, I guess he will not be writing articles for the FC Times any longer, attacking the parenting skills of other FC parents??
THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 01, 2014 09:57PM

@Editor's note- Gardner wrote "parenting skills" articles? I don't know whether to laugh or cry..


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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Thinkng Out Loud ()
Date: October 02, 2014 10:06AM

Likely chain of events:

1. The girl, then 12, is abused in 2009. Pedophilia usually begins at home, so it's no surprise that Gardner apparently first assaulted a family member before going after the girls at the slumber party.

2. The girl kept silent, probably fearing no one would believe that a respected vestryman like "Uncle Mike" would do such a thing.

3. She must have had very mixed emotions when Gardner was arrested in 2011 and convicted in 2012. On the one hand she would have been pleased that justice finally had been done. On the other, she must have felt that had she come forward earlier the other girls never would have been abused.

4. Her feelings of guilt must have intensified when Gardner was released after his conviction was overturned in June.

5. The thought that the other girls would have to endure a second trial must have weighed heavily on her.

6. She apparently told her therapist that Gardner had abused her two years before the slumber party incident.

7. The therapist then was legally obligated to notify FCCP and did so.

8. Gardner now is back in the cozy confines of the ACDC.

9. He has retained an attorney other than his counsel in the original case. The lawyer has the unfortunate name of Liebig, something his client seems to do quite well.

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THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: October 02, 2014 10:51AM

ROFLMAO @ that one

http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested-again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/


stay classy, FC Times.............stay classy ;)

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Re: THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by: Falls Church has two papers ()
Date: October 02, 2014 11:15AM

Falls Church Times is an online newspaper different from the Falls Church News-Press. The editor of the FC Times website wanted to clarify that.

Michael Gardner did write for the Falls Church News-Press and is friends with the owner and editor Nicholas F. Benton. Benton is a follower of the personality cult of Lyndon LaRouche and a gay activist. The FCNP employed the decrepit Helen Thomas after she forced to resign from AP after anti-Semitic remarks.

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Re: THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: October 02, 2014 11:23AM

Falls Church has two papers Wrote:
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> Falls Church Times is an online newspaper
> different from the Falls Church News-Press. The
> editor of the FC Times website wanted to clarify
> that.
>
> Michael Gardner did write for the Falls Church
> News-Press and is friends with the owner and
> editor Nicholas F. Benton. Benton is a follower of
> the personality cult of Lyndon LaRouche and a gay
> activist. The FCNP employed the decrepit Helen
> Thomas after she forced to resign from AP after
> anti-Semitic remarks.



I dig it.

FC Times editor should redo the response if that's the case, though. Threatening the commenter the way he/she did looks pathetic - sorry to use that word, but it does.

If they can edit the response, they could simply put a clarification - heck, they can copy and paste the one you just gave me LoLz

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Re: THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by: Bond Hearing This Morning ()
Date: October 02, 2014 01:38PM

Denied.

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Posted by: horrifying individual ()
Date: October 02, 2014 03:00PM

Bond Hearing This Morning Wrote:
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> Denied.


Apparently he violated his previous bond by travelling out of state.

"Authorities said Gardner visited the 2009 victim in August after his release from prison. After the visit, the girl reported the past abuse to her therapist, who then called authorities, they said."

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bond-Denied-for-Former-Democratic-Official-Michael-Gardner-on-Sex-Abuse-Charge-277889151.html

This guy is a menace. Will the previous character witness still back him? Does his wife still back him?

Bets on whether he cops to a plea on both cases.

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Date: October 02, 2014 04:46PM


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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingedNut ()
Date: October 02, 2014 06:16PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> @Editor's note- Gardner wrote "parenting skills"
> articles? I don't know whether to laugh or cry..

Misinformation is Wingnut's SOP.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Unbelievable ()
Date: October 02, 2014 08:51PM

"Are you still standing by your husband?"

Former Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner would not answer the question, but her husbands attorney did.

"Yes she is".


http://www.wusa9.com/media/cinematic/video/16604715/judge-denies-michael-gardner-bond/

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Have to ask this ()
Date: October 03, 2014 09:59AM

Michael Gardner is said to be 50, is that correct?

Is he from Falls Church or did he live somewhere else before moving here?

The reason I ask is because I am sure he was too young to have anything to do with the Lyon girls disappearance in 1975 but I think these fit the age range of his victims.

If he was driving age at the time of their disappearance or if he lived in the area, I think he should be questioned at the least.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Lyon-Sisters-Police-Speak-About-Search-on-Va-Property-Once-Owned-by-Family-of-Person-of-Interest-277927391.html

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: The Old Man in FC ()
Date: October 03, 2014 11:29AM

He may look older but I can assure you he is 50. He would have been no more than 10 years old when the Lyon sisters disappeared.

I believe he went to HS and college in this area but was in California prior to that.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WonderWhy ()
Date: October 03, 2014 02:04PM

Anybody know more about this mysterious trip Gardner took "alone" to the Outer Banks last week? Apparently the reason bond was revoked in the first case.

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Posted by: 22046 ()
Date: October 05, 2014 08:00AM

WonderWhy Wrote:
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> Anybody know more about this mysterious trip
> Gardner took "alone" to the Outer Banks last week?
> Apparently the reason bond was revoked in the
> first case.


Where did you read that?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: The Old Man in FC ()
Date: October 05, 2014 09:16AM

See third paragraph of this story. The reporter mentions the Outer Banks in the video. Another source may have reported that he traveled alone.


http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bond-Denied-for-Former-Democratic-Official-Michael-Gardner-on-Sex-Abuse-Charge-277889151.html

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: The Old Man in FC ()
Date: October 06, 2014 08:14PM

According to the Arlington Court's website Gardner's trial on two counts of aggravated sexual battery will begin on Monday, January 12, 2015. The trial is expected to last four days.

The retrial of the 2011 case is still set for February 5.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: protectthekids ()
Date: October 07, 2014 01:42AM

The new case?
It was his daughter!
She held it in for years.
Sick fucker.
Get out Robin!!!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: 22046 ()
Date: October 07, 2014 05:21AM

I don't think it was his daughter. The report said she was visiting in the home at Thanksgiving.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 07, 2014 08:52AM

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: October 07, 2014 09:31AM

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Yes But ()
Date: October 07, 2014 01:20PM

Every instinct in my body agrees that you'd have to be pretty sick to support someone who commits (or even thinks about committing) even one of the crimes that Gardner is accused of committing. I cannot imagine how his wife is able to stand by him, unless for some reason she is 100 percent certain that he did not do it. But how could ANYONE be 100 percent certain of that, especially after yet another victim - a family member, no less, has come forward.

The only thing that gives me ANY pause is when I think of what I (or any of the posters here) would do if I was (or they were) FALSELY accused of such an act. If you were falsely accused, how could you handle that? How WOULD you handle it?

That being said, the fact that another child victim has come forward alleging (apparently) that Gardner abused her on a totally different occasion makes it HIGHLY unlikely that Gardner is innocent.

My prayers go out to the victims, and I hope Gardner gets what he deserves this time.



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Date: October 07, 2014 01:51PM

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: The Old Man in FC ()
Date: October 07, 2014 02:16PM

Yes But Wrote:
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>
> The only thing that gives me ANY pause is when I
> think of what I (or any of the posters here) would
> do if I was (or they were) FALSELY accused of such
> an act. If you were falsely accused, how could
> you handle that? How WOULD you handle it?


If you want a general idea of how it feels, watch Hitchcock's "The Wrong Man." Henry Fonda plays the man.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051207/

The movie turns up on TCM roughly once a year. Interesting, though not a typical Hitchcock film.

I have no doubt that Mr. Gardner is the RIGHT man.

As for Robin, at this point I don't see how she has any course but to stamd by him to the end, whether she believes in him or not. She's almost as much on trial as he is.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Col. Mosby ()
Date: October 07, 2014 08:53PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I'm glad to hear this piece of trash is locked
> back up but I am really very sorry to hear there
> was another victim of his perversions. The only
> positive (besides his return to custody) is that
> the other victim is able to face her accuser and
> any issues she undoubtedly had due to this sick
> freak.
>
> Besides the obvious and primary person of shame,
> it is absolutely disgusting that anyone in Falls
> Church would still support the molester over the
> preteen girls he victimized.
>
> Robin Gardner
> Nick Benton of the FCNP
> Members of the Falls Church Episcopal Church
> The 60 Petition Signers/Supporters
>
> You are sickening people. To think you are members
> of the Falls Church community is frightening- your
> stupidity should scare anyone.


The conservative Episcopalians were run out of the church and had to relocate thanks to the Supreme Court and the good citizens of Falls Church. This is cancer you get in return.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: wishitwerentso ()
Date: October 07, 2014 11:53PM

Daughter

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Sick of this stuff ()
Date: October 08, 2014 03:21AM

22046 Wrote:
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> I don't think it was his daughter. The report said
> she was visiting in the home at Thanksgiving.


Agreed.

If he also sexually abused his daughters the mother would have quashed those rumors and stories by repeatedly telling them to shut up, they were wrong or were only dreaming the whole thing. Nothing must be said to shatter the distorted vision of reality in her mind.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: October 09, 2014 08:24AM

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: observations ()
Date: October 09, 2014 07:25PM

This guy in his over the top and vitriolic political rants displayed a narcissistic streak a mile deep with little concern for boundaries.

So no surprise we find the defendant (and apparently his spouse) in an incredibly defiant stance, now facing two sets of charges, the latter involving a family member no less.

I am not suggesting that people with aggressive political views of any kind are inclined to commit the kinds of alleged acts ascribed to Gardner. It is just the events and allegations do not surprise.

The only rational and honorable thing for Gardner to do is to reach some sort of plea agreement. Otherwise, he will drag three young women through yet another trial, and worse yet, a relative in a separate trial. The latter trial could make any semblance of family life for those around him - and note I use the word semblance - impossible for years. He will get a better deal, too. At some point the narcissism has to stop. It may not, however.

The reality here is that sex offenders are very reviled, both in and out of a correctional setting. The second set of charges have underscored this reality to an ever larger group of people.

Although perhaps harsh, it is really difficult to be sympathetic to Gardner's spouse. Kids were in harm's way, and she likely was the closest adult to the situation (not a legal statement, but a practical one).

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: JPL ()
Date: October 09, 2014 10:41PM

observations Wrote:
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> This guy in his over the top and vitriolic
> political rants displayed a narcissistic streak a
> mile deep with little concern for boundaries.
>
> So no surprise we find the defendant (and
> apparently his spouse) in an incredibly defiant
> stance, now facing two sets of charges, the latter
> involving a family member no less.
>
> I am not suggesting that people with aggressive
> political views of any kind are inclined to commit
> the kinds of alleged acts ascribed to Gardner. It
> is just the events and allegations do not
> surprise.
>
> The only rational and honorable thing for Gardner
> to do is to reach some sort of plea agreement.
> Otherwise, he will drag three young women through
> yet another trial, and worse yet, a relative in a
> separate trial. The latter trial could make any
> semblance of family life for those around him -
> and note I use the word semblance - impossible for
> years. He will get a better deal, too. At some
> point the narcissism has to stop. It may not,
> however.
>
> The reality here is that sex offenders are very
> reviled, both in and out of a correctional
> setting. The second set of charges have
> underscored this reality to an ever larger group
> of people.
>
> Although perhaps harsh, it is really difficult to
> be sympathetic to Gardner's spouse. Kids were in
> harm's way, and she likely was the closest adult
> to the situation (not a legal statement, but a
> practical one).


Good post, I hope his family reads it.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: RdFox ()
Date: October 10, 2014 09:45AM

Who knows for sure if the guy is guilty?

For all we know he could be a member of NAMBLA or Kloman might have frequented his residence as a democrat supporter and gained access to the girls.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: observer again ()
Date: October 10, 2014 11:21AM

RdFox - I think the question of his culpability is settled, which is different than the legal adjudication of guilt. The jury reached a fair conclusion on the facts, and unlike most defendants, Gardner had excellent trial counsel with every opportunity to show that the elements of the charges did not meet a guilt beyond a reasonable doubt standard. The appellate decision setting aside his conviction was strange to me, especially in Virginia. Even if one concedes that two character witnesses should have been permitted to testify as to Garnder's conduct around children, it strikes me that this kind of error was harmless in the context of the entire case. But again from a practical perspective I think culpability has been established - no doubt a huge challenge for the defendant in a new trial.

The alleged acts against a family member (and new charges) bring the pressure on Gardner to an unfathomable level, beyond the incredible resources required to mount a defense in not one, but two, high profile trials. People think diferrently about the defendant now, even those already persuaded of his guilt. And mounting these two defenses from jail is also really difficult (I can't see bail forthcoming). This is why I believe we will soon see a confirmation of culpability (a non-legal conclusion), and thereafter at some point an adjudication of guilt.

Note there is no exaltation in anyone's misery, all the way around. But it looks like the actors and supporters on the defendant's side would find it salutary to focus on the hard, practical, and difficult facts which have emerged.

I leave open the possibility I could be wrong about all of this. The facts that seem verifiable do not point in that direction, however. The real rub for those who have supported the defendant is that the victims are innocent children, and acknowledging error like this doesn't come easily.

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Posted by: The Old Man in FC ()
Date: October 10, 2014 03:10PM

observer again Wrote:
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> Note there is no exaltation in anyone's misery,
> all the way around. But it looks like the actors
> and supporters on the defendant's side would find
> it salutary to focus on the hard, practical, and
> difficult facts which have emerged.
>
> I leave open the possibility I could be wrong
> about all of this. The facts that seem verifiable
> do not point in that direction, however. The real
> rub for those who have supported the defendant is
> that the victims are innocent children, and
> acknowledging error like this doesn't come easily.


For some insight into the minds of Gardner's supporters I offer the following letter, published only in the print edition of the Falls Church News-Press on April 11, 2013. This was written after Gardner's trial, but before his conviction was reversed. Only the author's name has been omitted.


Editor,

I write to question assumptions and actions of the police department, the prosecutors and the court who found Michael Gardner guilty of molesting two underage girls.at his home during his daughter's slumber party in June 2011. I have found myself deeply troubled with questions that for me were not adequately answered.

For purposes of disclosure, I know Michael well. I have been a guest in his home on numerous occasions and I served with him on the Vestry of the Falls Church Episcopal. I have not been asked by his family or his attorney to write, nor have I shared these questions with them. I write as one keenly aware that our justice system wrongly imprisons many innocent persons.

There is no clear evidence of Michael's innocence or guilt, other than the testimony of these two 10-year-old girls. They spent that night in a lower-level den with eight other girls and none of the others saw or heard anything related to these charges. Why?

Why was Michael never accused of sexual misconduct at any other time? Child molesters are almost always serial molesters.

Why did the Falls Church police come to the home of Michael and Robin in the middle of the night, bang on the door, shout "open up for the police" and with bravado place him in handcuffs and carry him away? Michael and Robin, who was on the City Council at the time, are leading citizens, and, I believe, outstanding Christians. They are not going to escape. What is going on?

Why did city police publish a story that sperm had been found in one girl's pajamas, with the clear implication that this convicted Michael, befofre analysis was done to determine the source of the sperm? Later it was found that the sperm was not from Michael, but from the girl's father.

Why did the Chief of Police instruct the Department of Protective Services not to investigate this evidence?

Why were the two girls so carefully instructed and trained for their court testimony? The girls met with two prosecuting attorneys a dozen times for instruction before the trial.

Why did the Chief of Police announce that this conviction was the biggest achievement of his years in office? Why did he gives plaques of appreciation which cost $200 to the prosecutors and their witnesses? Is this customary?

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Col Mosby ()
Date: October 11, 2014 08:57AM

Too bad the old hangman tree's gone.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: FC Observer ()
Date: October 11, 2014 06:18PM

Thanks for posting the Letter to the Editor of the FCNP from April, 2013. The perspective is intriguing, particularly in light of the fact that so much of the information is so incorrect as to be laughable. I'm sure all of the letters sent to the judge pleading for mercy prior to sentencing were even more interesting. I wonder when we'll get to see those!

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Concerned One ()
Date: October 11, 2014 06:36PM

Is there any way to have Mrs. Gardner removed from our community as an accessory to the multiple crimes? She had to know her creepy husband was molesting little girls.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Rastus ()
Date: October 12, 2014 02:57PM

Is there any way to have Mrs. Gardner removed from our community as an accessory to the multiple crimes? She had to know her creepy husband was molesting little girls.


Can we get rid of you, too? You're the creepy one.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: The Old Man in FC ()
Date: October 12, 2014 09:02PM

FC Observer Wrote:
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> Thanks for posting the Letter to the Editor of the
> FCNP from April, 2013. The perspective is
> intriguing, particularly in light of the fact that
> so much of the information is so incorrect as to
> be laughable. I'm sure all of the letters sent to
> the judge pleading for mercy prior to sentencing
> were even more interesting. I wonder when we'll
> get to see those!


The supporters' letters, which the defense presumably submitted as exhibits, might be available as an appendix to the trial transcript.

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the LTE posted above is how it suggests that Gardner was the real victim. The letters offered to the Court in his defense probably were more tactful.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: RdFox ()
Date: October 12, 2014 11:45PM

To "observer again",

I actually agree fully that his guilt has been fully established.
I was trying to be funny. Remember not long ago Kloman from Potomac school in Mclean was arrested for about the same thing and got like 22years. They had him nailed with credible witnesses to the point he couldn't deny the charges.

To understand one must go back 7 or 8 posts

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: Not a good thing to joke about ()
Date: October 13, 2014 02:30PM

RdFox Wrote:
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> To "observer again",
>
> I actually agree fully that his
> guilt has been fully established.
> I was trying to be funny. Remember not long ago
> Kloman from Potomac school in Mclean was arrested
> for about the same thing and got like 22years.
> They had him nailed with credible witnesses to the
> point he couldn't deny the charges.
>
> To understand one must go back 7 or 8 posts

Not a laughing matter.

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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: RdFox ()
Date: October 13, 2014 02:40PM

To "not a good thing to joke about" I say "aren't you the politically correct, righteous, and sensitive one".

The point was that Kloman gaining access to the little girls through Gardner was just as ridiculous as Gardner having his case overturned.

Let's Chant "fry Gardner-fry Gardner-fry Gardner....

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