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Enjoy the sensual tour de force.
See the wholesome faces in front of the 1305 Ellison Street house of horrors. Instances of molestation happened in so many rooms in that house - and those are just the ones that daddy actually pled guilty to.
Feel the warm family love with mommy and daddy. You've got to love a man in uniform … no, wait, not this one. And who knows how much "love" daddy gets when he's on his own.
Hear daddy's bizarre message to his children: "immolate false things without regret." Sounds like continued whining about his failed murder-for-hire daydreams, with a bit of a threat towards the girls thrown in for spice.
Taste the defeat. Their narcissistic mass family delusion succeeded in rallying only the sheep into believing their lies. Two strong and defiant girls faced up to them every day for 8 years, and will forever stand taller and more firmly on the side of right than anyone in this family will ever be.
And finally, smell the bullshit that wafts around each and every one of them. Daddy's will be a bit more contained until December 12, 2029, or so. And,
hopefully, the stench in FC will blow away as they leave -- the sooner, the better.
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Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: June 24, 2011 06:47AM
Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Updated: Thursday, 23 Jun 2011, 11:33 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 23 Jun 2011, 10:52 PM EDT
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/virginia/husband-of-falls-church-city-council-member-arrested-062311#ixzz1QBnObggW
FALLS CHURCH, Va. - It is a shocking arrest in Falls Church. Michael Gardner, the husband of City Council Member and former Mayor Robin Gardner, was arrested for incidents police say happened at the family home.
The City of Falls Church issued a statement saying that Michael Gardner was arrested and charged with two felony counts of aggravated sexual battery and one count of object sexual penetration.
Falls Church authorities were contacted by the female victims who were at home and told officers that Gardner had inappropriate psychical contact with them. The statement says after police interviewed the victims who were at home, they obtained search warrants for DNA.
FOX 5 attempted to speak with someone at the Gardner home, but no one came to the door. Our phone call to the home was not returned.
Robin Gardner has been on the Falls Church Council since 2000. She served as Mayor of Falls Church from 2006 to 2010.
Michael Gardner is well known in the community. He writes a column for the Falls Church News-Press and is the former Chairman of the Falls Church City Democratic Committee.
Updated: Thursday, 23 Jun 2011, 11:33 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 23 Jun 2011, 10:52 PM EDT
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/virginia/husband-of-falls-church-city-council-member-arrested-062311#ixzz1QBnObggW
FALLS CHURCH, Va. - It is a shocking arrest in Falls Church. Michael Gardner, the husband of City Council Member and former Mayor Robin Gardner, was arrested for incidents police say happened at the family home.
The City of Falls Church issued a statement saying that Michael Gardner was arrested and charged with two felony counts of aggravated sexual battery and one count of object sexual penetration.
Falls Church authorities were contacted by the female victims who were at home and told officers that Gardner had inappropriate psychical contact with them. The statement says after police interviewed the victims who were at home, they obtained search warrants for DNA.
FOX 5 attempted to speak with someone at the Gardner home, but no one came to the door. Our phone call to the home was not returned.
Robin Gardner has been on the Falls Church Council since 2000. She served as Mayor of Falls Church from 2006 to 2010.
Michael Gardner is well known in the community. He writes a column for the Falls Church News-Press and is the former Chairman of the Falls Church City Democratic Committee.
Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested: MyFoxDC.com
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: June 24, 2011 07:14AM
WOW!! What an asshole.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Kreskin
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Date: June 24, 2011 07:33AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> WOW!! What an asshole.
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> so ok, placing bets on the object.................
No object, he did it with his mental powers - thus the statement that "Gardner had inappropriate psychical contact".
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> WOW!! What an asshole.
>
> so ok, placing bets on the object.................
No object, he did it with his mental powers - thus the statement that "Gardner had inappropriate psychical contact".
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Priapus
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Date: June 24, 2011 07:58AM
Wonder how long it took to find the worst picture of him?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: June 24, 2011 08:18AM
Booking photo?
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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graymoose1
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Date: June 24, 2011 08:33AM
Was one of the young girls yagirll?
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: June 24, 2011 08:49AM
Object penetration..... dildo? Broom handle? Brush handle? Was the object penetration anal or vaginal?
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
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Date: June 24, 2011 09:23AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
kdubz
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Date: June 24, 2011 09:31AM
i posted this in the falls church city section of ffx undg because it happened in falls church city (outside the county) but here is a link to the guys rants.
his blog
http://blueweeds.typepad.com/
he also writes weekly for the falls church news press. he is good friends with the owner of that paper.
http://www.fcnp.com/commentary/local/9464-tlc116.html
dude is a liberal, fo sho.
his blog
http://blueweeds.typepad.com/
he also writes weekly for the falls church news press. he is good friends with the owner of that paper.
http://www.fcnp.com/commentary/local/9464-tlc116.html
dude is a liberal, fo sho.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: June 24, 2011 09:46AM
Liberal and City of Falls Church are akin to flies and shit.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
kdubz
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Date: June 24, 2011 12:02PM
i 100% agree but not every resident has a liberal blog and was head of a dem. cmty. dude thinks he is HDIC.
Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Liberal and City of Falls Church are akin to flies
> and shit.
Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Liberal and City of Falls Church are akin to flies
> and shit.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
kdubz
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Date: June 24, 2011 12:20PM
he hosted an event for theo stamos in his home. conflict of interest in this case??????
http://www.fcnp.com/around-fc/8233.html
http://www.fcnp.com/around-fc/8233.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ciao
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Date: June 30, 2011 06:37PM
No wonder this guy was so keen on having a hotel built across from an Elementary School.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: June 30, 2011 08:53PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: July 01, 2011 10:06AM
1st Court Date Set July 12 in Sexual Abuse Case Vs. Michael Gardner
By Nicholas F. Benton
Wednesday, June 29 2011 07:01:40 PM
http://www.fcnp.com/news/9573-1st-court-date-set-july-12-in-sexual-abuse-case-vs-michael-gardner.html
A City of Falls Church spokesperson confirmed to the News-Press Wednesday afternoon that City resident and prominent citizen-activist Michael A. Gardner is due in a Falls Church courtroom at City Hall July 12 to face charges of sexual assaulting three young girls in alleged incidents at his home on two separate occasions earlier this month.
Gardner's arrest last week sparked regional and national coverage, given his role in the community as husband of former mayor and current City Council member Robin Gardner, and as a past chair of the City's Democratic Committee, and high-profile blogger and local-issues columnist who wrote in the News-Press. It also provoked a firestorm of mostly angry reactions on websites reporting the arrest, including at the News-Press' website, FCNP.com.
However, Gardner's attorney, former Falls Church Mayor Brian O'Connor, insisted in an interview with the News-Press on his client's innocence, saying Gardner "has categorically denied any criminal behavior and would never knowingly harm any child." He added that Gardner's wife "is very supportive of Mike." Gardner pleaded not guilty to all charges last Thursday, and has been released on $50,000 bond.
Gardner's arrest took place at 5:24 p.m. Wednesday, June 22, four days after the second of two alleged assault incidents, on two counts of sexual assault and one count of object sexual penetration of minors. A press release detailing the charges and identifying Garder was issued by the Falls Church City Hall Office of Communications within minutes of his arrest. O'Connor said he was first contacted by Gardner on Monday, June 20.
Gardner, who according to police records reported by the Associated Press, was charged with sexually abusing three girls, two of whom, ages 9 and 10, attended a birthday slumber party for his 10-year-old daughter Saturday night and a third, also under age 13, in a separate incident earlier.
He is slated to appear in Juvenile Domestic Relations Court in Falls Church June 12, but in keeping with all proceedings in that court, it will not be open to the public. The prosecution, although under the auspices of the Arlington Circuit Court, will be conducted by Nicole Wittman, a prosecutor from Loudoun County.
According to unofficial reports, Arlington County Attorney Dick Trodden requested of his Loudoun counterpart that Loudoun handle the prosecution because of the long history of Gardner's political associations with the county attorneys offices of both Arlington and Fairfax County.
O'Connor told the News-Press in a telephone interview yesterday that he still has not been able to sit down with the prosecution to assess the evidence. "This is a devastating accusation to have, and it has been a nightmare to this point for Mike, Robin and their kids," O'Connor said. "My advice has been to try to live as normally as they can."
The family remains in the area, although not at their Ellison Street home. Robin Gardner did not attend this Monday's City Council meeting, as of press time she had not replied to a written inquiry from the News-Press about her plans to attend future meetings.
O'Connor, in comments to the News-Press last week, said his client "is someone who has never had a whiff of scandal" around him, and "has an excellent reputation in the community for his character."
"We will deal with the facts as they unfold," he said. There is no indication, he said, that the court's request for a DNA sample from Gardner had anything to do with a suggestion of actual sexual contact. He said that Gardner "is determined to fight this case." Said O'Connor, "I am going to help this man."
The Gardners are the parents of twins, one male and one female.
According to reports, shortly after the alleged incident Saturday night, June 18, the nine-year-old girl was taken to a sexual-assault nurse specialist at the Inova Fairfax Hospital where an examination was performed.
According to the City of Falls Church, police conducted a number of follow-up interviews with the alleged victims and others attending the slumber party, and a saliva sample for purposes of DNA testing was taken from Gardner.
Interviews with neighbors to the Gardners indicated shock but a willingness to presume innocence until proven guilty. They also expressed concern for the fallout on Robin Gardner's political career in the City. She served as mayor from 2006 to 2010 and continues as a member of the Council.
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By Nicholas F. Benton
Wednesday, June 29 2011 07:01:40 PM
http://www.fcnp.com/news/9573-1st-court-date-set-july-12-in-sexual-abuse-case-vs-michael-gardner.html
A City of Falls Church spokesperson confirmed to the News-Press Wednesday afternoon that City resident and prominent citizen-activist Michael A. Gardner is due in a Falls Church courtroom at City Hall July 12 to face charges of sexual assaulting three young girls in alleged incidents at his home on two separate occasions earlier this month.
Gardner's arrest last week sparked regional and national coverage, given his role in the community as husband of former mayor and current City Council member Robin Gardner, and as a past chair of the City's Democratic Committee, and high-profile blogger and local-issues columnist who wrote in the News-Press. It also provoked a firestorm of mostly angry reactions on websites reporting the arrest, including at the News-Press' website, FCNP.com.
However, Gardner's attorney, former Falls Church Mayor Brian O'Connor, insisted in an interview with the News-Press on his client's innocence, saying Gardner "has categorically denied any criminal behavior and would never knowingly harm any child." He added that Gardner's wife "is very supportive of Mike." Gardner pleaded not guilty to all charges last Thursday, and has been released on $50,000 bond.
Gardner's arrest took place at 5:24 p.m. Wednesday, June 22, four days after the second of two alleged assault incidents, on two counts of sexual assault and one count of object sexual penetration of minors. A press release detailing the charges and identifying Garder was issued by the Falls Church City Hall Office of Communications within minutes of his arrest. O'Connor said he was first contacted by Gardner on Monday, June 20.
Gardner, who according to police records reported by the Associated Press, was charged with sexually abusing three girls, two of whom, ages 9 and 10, attended a birthday slumber party for his 10-year-old daughter Saturday night and a third, also under age 13, in a separate incident earlier.
He is slated to appear in Juvenile Domestic Relations Court in Falls Church June 12, but in keeping with all proceedings in that court, it will not be open to the public. The prosecution, although under the auspices of the Arlington Circuit Court, will be conducted by Nicole Wittman, a prosecutor from Loudoun County.
According to unofficial reports, Arlington County Attorney Dick Trodden requested of his Loudoun counterpart that Loudoun handle the prosecution because of the long history of Gardner's political associations with the county attorneys offices of both Arlington and Fairfax County.
O'Connor told the News-Press in a telephone interview yesterday that he still has not been able to sit down with the prosecution to assess the evidence. "This is a devastating accusation to have, and it has been a nightmare to this point for Mike, Robin and their kids," O'Connor said. "My advice has been to try to live as normally as they can."
The family remains in the area, although not at their Ellison Street home. Robin Gardner did not attend this Monday's City Council meeting, as of press time she had not replied to a written inquiry from the News-Press about her plans to attend future meetings.
O'Connor, in comments to the News-Press last week, said his client "is someone who has never had a whiff of scandal" around him, and "has an excellent reputation in the community for his character."
"We will deal with the facts as they unfold," he said. There is no indication, he said, that the court's request for a DNA sample from Gardner had anything to do with a suggestion of actual sexual contact. He said that Gardner "is determined to fight this case." Said O'Connor, "I am going to help this man."
The Gardners are the parents of twins, one male and one female.
According to reports, shortly after the alleged incident Saturday night, June 18, the nine-year-old girl was taken to a sexual-assault nurse specialist at the Inova Fairfax Hospital where an examination was performed.
According to the City of Falls Church, police conducted a number of follow-up interviews with the alleged victims and others attending the slumber party, and a saliva sample for purposes of DNA testing was taken from Gardner.
Interviews with neighbors to the Gardners indicated shock but a willingness to presume innocence until proven guilty. They also expressed concern for the fallout on Robin Gardner's political career in the City. She served as mayor from 2006 to 2010 and continues as a member of the Council.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Gordon Blvd
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Date: July 01, 2011 11:12AM
Interviews with neighbors to the Gardners indicated shock but a willingness to presume innocence until proven guilty. They also expressed concern for the fallout on Robin Gardner's political career in the City. She served as mayor from 2006 to 2010 and continues as a member of the Council.
no concern for the kids wellbeing, I note. What a bunch of assholes.......................
no concern for the kids wellbeing, I note. What a bunch of assholes.......................
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned Parents
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Date: July 01, 2011 12:38PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Interviews with neighbors to the Gardners
> indicated shock but a willingness to presume
> innocence until proven guilty. They also expressed
> concern for the fallout on Robin Gardner's
> political career in the City. She served as mayor
> from 2006 to 2010 and continues as a member of the
> Council.
>
>
> no concern for the kids wellbeing, I note. What a
> bunch of assholes.......................
They should all be run out of town!
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> Interviews with neighbors to the Gardners
> indicated shock but a willingness to presume
> innocence until proven guilty. They also expressed
> concern for the fallout on Robin Gardner's
> political career in the City. She served as mayor
> from 2006 to 2010 and continues as a member of the
> Council.
>
>
> no concern for the kids wellbeing, I note. What a
> bunch of assholes.......................
They should all be run out of town!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Guy
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Date: July 01, 2011 08:25PM
He dit it like this, he did it like that, he did it with a wiffle ball bat! Are any of these fucktards from Virginia? My guess is they are carpet bagging Yankees.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: July 05, 2011 12:50PM
Pinhead wrote:
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Liberal and City of Falls Church are akin to flies and shit.
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The same for Recrappblicans and Neocons are akin for magnets and more shit.
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Liberal and City of Falls Church are akin to flies and shit.
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The same for Recrappblicans and Neocons are akin for magnets and more shit.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
cuthisballsoff
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Date: July 12, 2011 12:34PM
The Public Information Office of the City of Falls Church issued a media advisory tonight in anticipation of what could be a major descent of regional media on the Falls Church City Hall tomorrow, location of the preliminary hearing in the case involving two felony charges of aggravated sexual battery and one count of object sexual penetration of minors against F.C. City resident and political activist Michael Gardner. The F.C.General District Court will convene in the Council chambers at City Hall tomorrow (Tuesday) morning, and Gardner, 47, is slated to appear at 11:45 a.m.
Barbara Gordon, the Director of Communications for Falls Church, issued a media advisory tonight indicating that a tent will be set up outside the courtroom to accommodate the press, and that the decision on whether the courtroom will be open for the press won't be made by the court until tomorrow.
In a new development, Gardner's initial attorney, former Falls Church mayor Brian O'Connor, told the News-Press today that he no longer represents Gardner, and that the case has been taken over by Peter Greenspun, of the Fairfax County law firm of Greenspun, Shapiro, Davis and Leary, the attorney involved in the defense of the D.C.-area sniper suspects and who is routinely ranked among the best lawyers in Virginia and the Washington, D.C. region.
Barbara Gordon, the Director of Communications for Falls Church, issued a media advisory tonight indicating that a tent will be set up outside the courtroom to accommodate the press, and that the decision on whether the courtroom will be open for the press won't be made by the court until tomorrow.
In a new development, Gardner's initial attorney, former Falls Church mayor Brian O'Connor, told the News-Press today that he no longer represents Gardner, and that the case has been taken over by Peter Greenspun, of the Fairfax County law firm of Greenspun, Shapiro, Davis and Leary, the attorney involved in the defense of the D.C.-area sniper suspects and who is routinely ranked among the best lawyers in Virginia and the Washington, D.C. region.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
puthisballsinavice
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Date: July 12, 2011 02:18PM
12:49 p.m.
Judge Esther Wiggins ordered the courtroom cleared at about 12:30 this afternoon. Michael A. Gardner arrived with his wife and current City Council member, Robin, and his attorney.
The judge ordered the court closed because children witnesses are supposed to speak during this preliminary hearing.
Gardner, who served as chairman of the Falls Church City Democratic Committee from 2006 to 2007, was charged with sexual assault against two juvenile females, according to records from Arlington Circuit Court following an alleged sleepover at his home on June 18. Arlington County Sheriff Chief Deputy Paul Larson said Gardner was released from the Arlington County Detention Center on a $50,000 bond. The alleged victims, 10 and 9-years-old, identified Gardner as the person who sexually assaulted them in the basement of his Falls Church home during an alleged sleepover for Gardner’s daughter, according to court records. City of Falls Church Police charged Gardner on June 22.
Judge Esther Wiggins ordered the courtroom cleared at about 12:30 this afternoon. Michael A. Gardner arrived with his wife and current City Council member, Robin, and his attorney.
The judge ordered the court closed because children witnesses are supposed to speak during this preliminary hearing.
Gardner, who served as chairman of the Falls Church City Democratic Committee from 2006 to 2007, was charged with sexual assault against two juvenile females, according to records from Arlington Circuit Court following an alleged sleepover at his home on June 18. Arlington County Sheriff Chief Deputy Paul Larson said Gardner was released from the Arlington County Detention Center on a $50,000 bond. The alleged victims, 10 and 9-years-old, identified Gardner as the person who sexually assaulted them in the basement of his Falls Church home during an alleged sleepover for Gardner’s daughter, according to court records. City of Falls Church Police charged Gardner on June 22.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
()
Date: July 12, 2011 02:23PM
Democrats at their best.
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: July 12, 2011 03:34PM
http://www.fcnp.com/around-fc/8233.html
This creep may well be innocent, so I will keep my pitchfork down for now, but he is a sickly looking fucker in the picture. Maybe he has alcohol issues or something.
If Esther Wiggins is the judge presiding over his case, I feel sorry for him at sentencing. She was supposed to have had a serious hard-on for domestic and tot-tapping cases while an asst. Comm.Atty in Arlington. Good for her.
I mentioned this before and I will say it again and add the picture below which was taken in the Gardner home in City of FC. Gardners wife is pictured second from the left and the woman on the second from the right is Theo Stamos, another Arlington assistant Comm. Atty. who is running to be Comm. Atty in Arlington County.
She will likely win the election, being a Democrat in Arlington and actually a pretty competent and reasonable prosecutor from what I remember of the times I spent in the courthouse years ago. I am wondering already if she will be the prosecutor assigned to this case? It would really be something if she had to send her friends hubby down the road for 15 years.
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This creep may well be innocent, so I will keep my pitchfork down for now, but he is a sickly looking fucker in the picture. Maybe he has alcohol issues or something.
If Esther Wiggins is the judge presiding over his case, I feel sorry for him at sentencing. She was supposed to have had a serious hard-on for domestic and tot-tapping cases while an asst. Comm.Atty in Arlington. Good for her.
I mentioned this before and I will say it again and add the picture below which was taken in the Gardner home in City of FC. Gardners wife is pictured second from the left and the woman on the second from the right is Theo Stamos, another Arlington assistant Comm. Atty. who is running to be Comm. Atty in Arlington County.
She will likely win the election, being a Democrat in Arlington and actually a pretty competent and reasonable prosecutor from what I remember of the times I spent in the courthouse years ago. I am wondering already if she will be the prosecutor assigned to this case? It would really be something if she had to send her friends hubby down the road for 15 years.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: July 12, 2011 03:43PM
They had to bring a prosecutor in from Loudoun because of all the political connections between the Gardners and the FC/Arl Democristas.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: July 12, 2011 03:49PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
kiki
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Date: July 12, 2011 04:42PM
WOW - he is going to trial!
I went to high school with this guy and am totally shocked. Never thoughthe would turn out like this. So gross.
I went to high school with this guy and am totally shocked. Never thoughthe would turn out like this. So gross.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
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Date: July 12, 2011 04:46PM
All I know is that if his wife intends on missing all of the council meetings, she should just resign. Do it quietly, do it now.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
puthisballsinablender
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Date: July 13, 2011 11:50AM
At the Council chambers of the Falls Church City Hall, regularly used for district court matters on weekdays, Arlington Circuit Court Judge Esther Wiggins denied petitions today from defendant Michael Gardner for opportunities to visit with his two children, following graphic testimony by three preteen alleged victims that Gardner has been charged with sexually abusing.
Judge Wiggins ruled at today's preliminary hearing that probable cause exists for taking the case to trial, scheduled to begin with an arraignment in the Arlington Circuit Court next week, on July 21 at 9:30 a.m.
Gardner is charged with committing two felony acts of aggravated sexual battery and one act of object sexual penetration. He has pleaded not guilty.
After initially closing the courtroom to all but the victims, their parents, social workers, Gardner's wife, Falls Church City Council member Robin Gardner, and legal counsel, Judge Wiggins consulted with the victims and their families, and decided to open the court to reporters.
Seated next to their parents, each child was brought to the witness stand, asked to identify Gardner in the courtroom, and to describe the events that took place on the nights they claim they were assaulted. They responded to questions from prosecutor Nicole Wittman, Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney for Loudoun County, and Gardner's attorney Peter Greenspun.
Two victims said they were sleeping at the Gardner household in a basement on June 18 when Gardner repeatedly fondled them. A third victim,who slept over in Gardner's daughter's room on June 16, said Gardner repeatedly touched her beneath her clothing. She claimed that he whispered to her, asking if it "felt good."
After Wiggins ruled that Gardner's case would continue to circuit court, Greenspun asked if Gardner could be permitted to see his twin children with adult supervision. Wiggins denied the request. Greenspun again requested that Gardner be able to see his children with adult supervision in public areas, but again Wiggins denied the request.
Yesterday, Gardner's first attorney, former Falls Church Mayor Brian O'Connor told the News-Press that he remains convinced of Gardner's innocence. Gardner remains free on bond.
Robin Gardner came in for the hearing from a location in New Jersey where she is staying with her children. She was not present at last night's Falls Church City Council meeting, held in the same chamber as today's hearing.
Judge Wiggins ruled at today's preliminary hearing that probable cause exists for taking the case to trial, scheduled to begin with an arraignment in the Arlington Circuit Court next week, on July 21 at 9:30 a.m.
Gardner is charged with committing two felony acts of aggravated sexual battery and one act of object sexual penetration. He has pleaded not guilty.
After initially closing the courtroom to all but the victims, their parents, social workers, Gardner's wife, Falls Church City Council member Robin Gardner, and legal counsel, Judge Wiggins consulted with the victims and their families, and decided to open the court to reporters.
Seated next to their parents, each child was brought to the witness stand, asked to identify Gardner in the courtroom, and to describe the events that took place on the nights they claim they were assaulted. They responded to questions from prosecutor Nicole Wittman, Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney for Loudoun County, and Gardner's attorney Peter Greenspun.
Two victims said they were sleeping at the Gardner household in a basement on June 18 when Gardner repeatedly fondled them. A third victim,who slept over in Gardner's daughter's room on June 16, said Gardner repeatedly touched her beneath her clothing. She claimed that he whispered to her, asking if it "felt good."
After Wiggins ruled that Gardner's case would continue to circuit court, Greenspun asked if Gardner could be permitted to see his twin children with adult supervision. Wiggins denied the request. Greenspun again requested that Gardner be able to see his children with adult supervision in public areas, but again Wiggins denied the request.
Yesterday, Gardner's first attorney, former Falls Church Mayor Brian O'Connor told the News-Press that he remains convinced of Gardner's innocence. Gardner remains free on bond.
Robin Gardner came in for the hearing from a location in New Jersey where she is staying with her children. She was not present at last night's Falls Church City Council meeting, held in the same chamber as today's hearing.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: July 13, 2011 12:10PM
to the ppl who keep saying he's innocent - I want to know how you can think that is the case? Do you SERIOUSLY believe those two little girls are lying/mistaken about what they say occurred?
I want to know what you think could be going on if you really think he is truly innocent of the charges, what plausible scenario could make this change of events happen.
Not saying he should be strung up (yet) - I'm just curious as to what scenarios ppl who claim his innocence believe happened
I want to know what you think could be going on if you really think he is truly innocent of the charges, what plausible scenario could make this change of events happen.
Not saying he should be strung up (yet) - I'm just curious as to what scenarios ppl who claim his innocence believe happened
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Hester Prine
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Date: July 13, 2011 12:17PM
Why even bother going through the time and expense of a trial when all we need is to have GordonBlvd make a pronouncement...
"Not saying he should be strung up (yet)"...
Hell, you and Macfistula are the experts on everything; I'm surprised you two haven't been called to testify in this case.
"Not saying he should be strung up (yet)"...
Hell, you and Macfistula are the experts on everything; I'm surprised you two haven't been called to testify in this case.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
feedhisballs2apitbull
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Date: July 13, 2011 03:14PM
Hester Prine Wrote:
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> Why even bother going through the time and expense
> of a trial when all we need is to have GordonBlvd
> make a pronouncement...
Even when we do, and he is found guilty, the sentence he receives will be far less than what he deserves. Anything less than castration is a travesty of justice.
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> Why even bother going through the time and expense
> of a trial when all we need is to have GordonBlvd
> make a pronouncement...
Even when we do, and he is found guilty, the sentence he receives will be far less than what he deserves. Anything less than castration is a travesty of justice.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Give him the Chair
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Date: July 13, 2011 05:26PM
feedhisballs2apitbull Wrote:
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> Hester Prine Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why even bother going through the time and
> expense
> > of a trial when all we need is to have
> GordonBlvd
> > make a pronouncement...
>
>
> Even when we do, and he is found guilty, the
> sentence he receives will be far less than what he
> deserves. Anything less than castration is a
> travesty of justice.
Feedhisballs2 - I agree 100%. Any sick bastard that is turned on by 10 year old kids cannot be cured and should be jailed for a very long time or castrated.
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> Hester Prine Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why even bother going through the time and
> expense
> > of a trial when all we need is to have
> GordonBlvd
> > make a pronouncement...
>
>
> Even when we do, and he is found guilty, the
> sentence he receives will be far less than what he
> deserves. Anything less than castration is a
> travesty of justice.
Feedhisballs2 - I agree 100%. Any sick bastard that is turned on by 10 year old kids cannot be cured and should be jailed for a very long time or castrated.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: July 14, 2011 09:50PM
@Hester - wow......when did you become a card-carrying memember of the pro-child-fucking lobby?
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Updated
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Date: July 15, 2011 10:32AM
Gardner Case Referred to Arlington Grand Jury
By GEORGE BROMLEY
Falls Church Times Staff
July 12, 2011
http://fallschurchtimes.com/29725/gardner-case-referred-to-arlington-grand-jury/
Michael Gardner, facing charges of sexual abuse involving three young girls, appeared today for a preliminary hearing in Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court. After listening to explicit testimony from each girl, Judge Esther Wiggins declared she had found probable cause and referred the case to the Grand Jury of the Arlington Circuit Court.
The Grand Jury will convene on Thursday, July 21 and may hand down an indictment. Mr. Gardner has been charged with aggravated sexual battery and object sexual penetration. Two of the girls are 10 years old and one is 9.
Judge Wiggins initially closed the Court to all but those directly involved in the case and the girls’ parents. However, after 40 minutes she reversed her ruling and opened the courtroom to reporters and spectators.
The girls, all of whom testified separately, were first questioned by prosecutor Nicole Wittman. She asked relatively few questions, first requesting each girl to identify Mr. Gardner and then to describe the nature of the alleged abuse.
Defense counsel Peter Greenspun then cross-examined each girl, asking many more questions and meeting occasional objections from Ms. Wittman, which Judge Wiggins generally sustained. Each girl’s parents accompanied them to the witness stand, sitting directly to their left. All three girls maintained their composure throughout the questioning.
One girl recounted two incidents, several minutes apart. During his cross-examination Mr. Greenspun sought to determine the length of each by timing the girl’s recollection, first saying “start” and then waiting until the witness said “stop.” Times of 19 and 24 seconds were recorded.
Another girl testified that the accused asked her “Did that feel good.” She said she responded “No.”
The events at issue occurred on the night of June 18, when two of the girls attended a slumber party at the Gardner home, and on the night of June 16, when the third girl slept over at the house. Mr. Gardner was arrested on June 22 and was released the following day on $50,000 bond.
At the close of the hearing Mr. Greenspun asked that the Court allow Mr. Gardner to see his two children, a restriction imposed on the condition of his bond. However, Judge Wiggins refused the request, saying she would rather err on the side of caution.
Prior to the hearing, Mr. Gardner sat with his wife Robin and his attorney. However, she did not accompany her husband, either when he entered City Hall or when he left.
Mr. Greenspun, who has replaced Brian O’Connor as Mr. Gardner’s counsel, is a well-known criminal defense attorney. Previous clients have included D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad and famed sportscaster Marv Albert.
The Gardner case has attracted considerable attention in the local news media. Reporters from Falls Church Patch, the News-Press, and three area television stations attended today’s hearing.
By GEORGE BROMLEY
Falls Church Times Staff
July 12, 2011
http://fallschurchtimes.com/29725/gardner-case-referred-to-arlington-grand-jury/
Michael Gardner, facing charges of sexual abuse involving three young girls, appeared today for a preliminary hearing in Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court. After listening to explicit testimony from each girl, Judge Esther Wiggins declared she had found probable cause and referred the case to the Grand Jury of the Arlington Circuit Court.
The Grand Jury will convene on Thursday, July 21 and may hand down an indictment. Mr. Gardner has been charged with aggravated sexual battery and object sexual penetration. Two of the girls are 10 years old and one is 9.
Judge Wiggins initially closed the Court to all but those directly involved in the case and the girls’ parents. However, after 40 minutes she reversed her ruling and opened the courtroom to reporters and spectators.
The girls, all of whom testified separately, were first questioned by prosecutor Nicole Wittman. She asked relatively few questions, first requesting each girl to identify Mr. Gardner and then to describe the nature of the alleged abuse.
Defense counsel Peter Greenspun then cross-examined each girl, asking many more questions and meeting occasional objections from Ms. Wittman, which Judge Wiggins generally sustained. Each girl’s parents accompanied them to the witness stand, sitting directly to their left. All three girls maintained their composure throughout the questioning.
One girl recounted two incidents, several minutes apart. During his cross-examination Mr. Greenspun sought to determine the length of each by timing the girl’s recollection, first saying “start” and then waiting until the witness said “stop.” Times of 19 and 24 seconds were recorded.
Another girl testified that the accused asked her “Did that feel good.” She said she responded “No.”
The events at issue occurred on the night of June 18, when two of the girls attended a slumber party at the Gardner home, and on the night of June 16, when the third girl slept over at the house. Mr. Gardner was arrested on June 22 and was released the following day on $50,000 bond.
At the close of the hearing Mr. Greenspun asked that the Court allow Mr. Gardner to see his two children, a restriction imposed on the condition of his bond. However, Judge Wiggins refused the request, saying she would rather err on the side of caution.
Prior to the hearing, Mr. Gardner sat with his wife Robin and his attorney. However, she did not accompany her husband, either when he entered City Hall or when he left.
Mr. Greenspun, who has replaced Brian O’Connor as Mr. Gardner’s counsel, is a well-known criminal defense attorney. Previous clients have included D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad and famed sportscaster Marv Albert.
The Gardner case has attracted considerable attention in the local news media. Reporters from Falls Church Patch, the News-Press, and three area television stations attended today’s hearing.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
what about his daughter?
()
Date: July 15, 2011 10:48AM
I heard all the girls were sleeping in the same room at the slumber party so his daughter was present during the incident. If I was his wife I would run like hell to keep him away their daughter. He sounds sick.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
puthisballsinamandolinslicer
()
Date: July 15, 2011 03:18PM
what about his daughter? Wrote:
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> I heard all the girls were sleeping in the same
> room at the slumber party so his daughter was
> present during the incident. If I was his wife I
> would run like hell to keep him away their
> daughter. He sounds sick.
And to think there are posters on the Falls Church Times and Falls Church News Press defending this SICK ASS FREAK.
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> I heard all the girls were sleeping in the same
> room at the slumber party so his daughter was
> present during the incident. If I was his wife I
> would run like hell to keep him away their
> daughter. He sounds sick.
And to think there are posters on the Falls Church Times and Falls Church News Press defending this SICK ASS FREAK.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lydia Zache
()
Date: July 15, 2011 03:34PM
I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went to george mason university together where he served as student government president and I was on the senate. Michael is a man who is of integrity and virtue he loves his family and his community and I find it difficult to believe such allegations in reference to him.
I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of the children involved. Michael was an integral part of the falls church community who cared and I believe he deserves more support and the benefit of the doubt until there is some real definitive evidence which can prove otherwise.
I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of the children involved. Michael was an integral part of the falls church community who cared and I believe he deserves more support and the benefit of the doubt until there is some real definitive evidence which can prove otherwise.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: July 15, 2011 03:37PM
While I agree with Lydia that Mike is innocent until proven guilty, we need to support the victims and their families during this ordeal. We also need to remember that Robin and her children are victims of this too. They didn’t do anything to deserve the hell they must be living through.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lisa Smith
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Date: July 15, 2011 03:51PM
It is rather shocking to read Lydia’s attempt to exonerate Michael Gardner. Does she think these girls conspired against him and made this up? Just because you think you know someone well does not mean that such person is incapable of committing a crime against a child. I am sure most people would say the same thing about all those priests–Oh, they were such upstanding Christians! They would never commit such a heinous crime. What about Dr. Earl Bradley from Delaware? The pediatrician who molested more than 200 kids before being arrested? I am sure people thought he was a caring and excellent pediatrician. Do people think that child molesters act a certain way? Do they have a certain look, where you can tell that the person is a child molester? For Lydia to accuse three, different girls of making up a story tells me she has no credibility. Yes, let’s dismiss detailed descriptions of what three, different people say. When multiple people provide similar accounts–you have to wonder why someone would doubt these statements.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Andrea Falls
()
Date: July 15, 2011 03:58PM
Quit trash talking and leave the families involved to the deal with this in the court system. If you truly support one side or the other get assist them in private.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Susan Alexandria
()
Date: July 15, 2011 04:19PM
I agree with Lisa. Lydia’s statement is foolish.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mel Watson
()
Date: July 15, 2011 04:19PM
Yes, innocent until proven guilty. BUT, the testimony thus far, and I suspect the DNA evidence, is quite persuasive. Keep in mind the judge said no to visiting his own children. If this was one victim, then yes, maybe we should be suspicious. But this was multiple victims. It would be quite a stretch, if not ridiculous, to claim some sort of conspiracy for political or other reasons. Again, do we really think this some sort of vast right-wing, anti-CBC conspiracy?
If Mr. Gardner is guilty which he knows (unless he is simply mentally incompent and surely needs help), he needs to take a plea deal, take a lengthy prison sentence, and spare the victims and City from further heartache, cost, and get this behind everyone. If not, what is the strategy, put the victims on trial claiming this was some sort of bizarre consensual thing….claiming some sort of “misundertanding”… get real. Oh yea, don’t forget about posssibility of putting the City of Falls Church Police on trial too for their investigative process. Come on folks – - get out of denial mode. Yes, I hate to break the news to some, but yes, this can happen in the City of Falls Church.
Note that Brian O’Connor, former Mayor and Mr. Gardner’s attorney has withdrawn from the case. Besides this case probably being above his pay-grade, he may have lost confidence in his client when he looked at the case further and said I’m out of here.
If Mr. Gardner is guilty which he knows (unless he is simply mentally incompent and surely needs help), he needs to take a plea deal, take a lengthy prison sentence, and spare the victims and City from further heartache, cost, and get this behind everyone. If not, what is the strategy, put the victims on trial claiming this was some sort of bizarre consensual thing….claiming some sort of “misundertanding”… get real. Oh yea, don’t forget about posssibility of putting the City of Falls Church Police on trial too for their investigative process. Come on folks – - get out of denial mode. Yes, I hate to break the news to some, but yes, this can happen in the City of Falls Church.
Note that Brian O’Connor, former Mayor and Mr. Gardner’s attorney has withdrawn from the case. Besides this case probably being above his pay-grade, he may have lost confidence in his client when he looked at the case further and said I’m out of here.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dave Phelps
()
Date: July 15, 2011 04:56PM
If he is guilty of the horrid crime I do hope he cops a plea in order to save not only the abused children the trial process, but also his own family. He could impoverish his own wife and children with a serious defense. Again, if he is guilty and I certainly don’t know — only he and the girls really know, that is until or unless the DNA evidence convicts him.
Ugly stuff, this.
Ugly stuff, this.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mel watson
()
Date: July 15, 2011 05:05PM
Another point is let’s get out of this mode of wringing our hands about lost political careers. Not sure how effective or influential either of the Garders were…….but that should be the least of our concerns….plus no one is that important and everyone can be replaced.
Just curious and maybe I missed it….has it been reported where Mrs. Gardner was at the time of the incidents?
Just curious and maybe I missed it….has it been reported where Mrs. Gardner was at the time of the incidents?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lisa Smith
()
Date: July 15, 2011 05:06PM
Andrea, this is a public website. If you don’t want to read other people’s opinions on the facts, guess what? You can click the “x” in the upper right-hand corner of your screen. Don’t tell me what I can and cannot comment on. Your post doesn’t even make sense. Your last sentence is missing words.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ellen McRae
()
Date: July 15, 2011 05:07PM
Regarding Lydia’s comment and the need for “real, definitive evidence”: child molesters rarely videotape themselves and there may not be any DNA evidence here. Three separate girls went independently to their parents and separately to the authorities to report their stories. Yes, I uphold the principle of innocent until proven guilty but I do hope that this new attorney is not allowed to pit his vast legal experience against three ten year old girls.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Anonymous in DC
()
Date: July 15, 2011 05:08PM
False accusations by children is actually more common than most people would think. I am a defense attorney and former prosecutor and I can tell you that many innocent people are accused on a daily basis- of horrific crimes. However, the general public only knows what they see on TV. Just because a judge denied to modify conditions of bail so Mr. Gardner could see his children does not mean anything. It only means this is a highly publicized case and the Judge is protecting herself. I know that may be a hard pill to swallow for some people but its the truth. People jumping to conclusions based on Mr. Gardner’s guilt should be ashamed of themselves. Just because they took DNA evidence means nothing either. In fact, the reason the prosecution has not released results of the DNA test actually speak more to Gardner’s innocence than to his guilt. If any of you have any doubts take a look at a case called Norfolk 4. Four people were wrongly convicted of a brutal rape….despite the fact that the prosecution already had a suspect in custody and who’s DNA matched.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
draghisballsthroughlava
()
Date: July 15, 2011 05:12PM
Anonymous in DC Wrote:
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> False accusations by children is actually more
> common than most people would think. I am a
> defense attorney and former prosecutor and I can
> tell you that many innocent people are accused on
> a daily basis- of horrific crimes.
And many people commit horrific crimes on a daily basis.
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> False accusations by children is actually more
> common than most people would think. I am a
> defense attorney and former prosecutor and I can
> tell you that many innocent people are accused on
> a daily basis- of horrific crimes.
And many people commit horrific crimes on a daily basis.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lisa Smith
()
Date: July 15, 2011 05:16PM
People jumping to conclusions based on Mr. Gardner’s guilt should be ashamed of themselves.
Oh brother. *raises hand* I am jumping to conclusions. I should be ashamed of myself? Give me a break. I will make whatever judgments I see fit based on the facts I read/hear/see. I am also willing to change my mind if I read/hear/see more facts. I think this is human nature. I am a lawyer as well, Mr. Anonymous, and I have no problem with this tactic that I take. When Mike was walking with his attorney on the TV footage, he would not look up at the camera. To me, that exuded guilt. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I think I have a good sense of body language. If someone is wrongfully accused, they tend to WANT people to see them so that they can prove that these allegations are bogus. I think he is guilty, but I’ll wait and see what additional facts come to light.
Oh brother. *raises hand* I am jumping to conclusions. I should be ashamed of myself? Give me a break. I will make whatever judgments I see fit based on the facts I read/hear/see. I am also willing to change my mind if I read/hear/see more facts. I think this is human nature. I am a lawyer as well, Mr. Anonymous, and I have no problem with this tactic that I take. When Mike was walking with his attorney on the TV footage, he would not look up at the camera. To me, that exuded guilt. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I think I have a good sense of body language. If someone is wrongfully accused, they tend to WANT people to see them so that they can prove that these allegations are bogus. I think he is guilty, but I’ll wait and see what additional facts come to light.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
DudleyMcDonald
()
Date: July 15, 2011 05:16PM
Tragic situation has even reached to Richmond news. (Political angle, of course.)
I certainly hope for all concerned this goes smoothly and swiftly.
Thoughts with all concerned.
Innocent until proven not so.
I certainly hope for all concerned this goes smoothly and swiftly.
Thoughts with all concerned.
Innocent until proven not so.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Think about this
()
Date: July 15, 2011 06:15PM
How many nine year old girls could make up a story of sexual abuse. What was described is not something a nine year old would even know about.
If the three stories sound the same and it all happened when they were sleeping over at his house he is in deep shit.
Plus he may have been abusing his daughter too.
Before you jump all over me just remember you never really know someone.
If the three stories sound the same and it all happened when they were sleeping over at his house he is in deep shit.
Plus he may have been abusing his daughter too.
Before you jump all over me just remember you never really know someone.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: July 17, 2011 08:11AM
@Think about this
+1
cant believe that ppl are actually thinking that 9 yr olds are being some sorta political con artists.............
+1
cant believe that ppl are actually thinking that 9 yr olds are being some sorta political con artists.............
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mr. Know-it-all
()
Date: July 17, 2011 11:24AM
Did you ever take any composition courses at GMU? You really don't write well at all.
Lydia Zache Wrote:
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Lydia Zache Wrote:
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
seller
()
Date: July 18, 2011 11:07AM
Lydia Zache Wrote:
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Well, I certainly know which real estate agent I will NOT be using during my next transaction.
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Well, I certainly know which real estate agent I will NOT be using during my next transaction.
Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned for the Kids
()
Date: July 20, 2011 06:51AM
Hello, out there ... unfortunately I'm deeply involved with this matter, which is dreadful,as I never thought I'd be going through something like this. I can appreciate all of the Gardner family's long-time friends and neighbors doing their best to support the family, particularly since their kids are not the victims in this case. Rest assured, there are many people who thought they knew the family and will always regret putting their trust in the defendant (and, by association, his wife).
As with many of you, I've been involved with the justice/court system for many years and still believe in "innocent until proven guilty" -- the system worked the way it's supposed to for Casey Anthony, even though a lot of people are sure she's guilty. Over the years, one thing I've seen time and again is that the court system is about the law, not about justice. Hopefully justice will prevail here, but it's in Mr. Gardner's interest to fight this to the end, so I expect no reasonableness for the victims' sake.
I've read the various posts re: this matter, but I'm saddened to see some of the more argumentative comments (as opposed to straight opinions). Of course, the beauty of our country is that people can say whatever however, but it would be gratifying to the victims' families for comments to be made without getting personal. Not that I'm trying to curb anyone's liberties ...
There are a number of troubling details about this case, as with so many others, including how the defense will be coming at these young kids. My biggest disappointment, to date, is the manner in which the Falls Church paper has reported on the "story." I understand that Mr. Gardner has written for the paper, and that both he and his wife are deeply entrenched in the political scene. However, leaving out significant (unidentifying) details of the investigation that were available to them, softening the description of the specific allegations in court, and devoting more time/space to the judge's record than the testimony of the victims at the recent hearing, seems inequitable somehow.
Worse things happen to little kids every day and it really could have been much worse, but the victims and their families are going through a terrible ordeal as it is. The disgusting details will probably emerge at some point, but in the interest of fairness, it would be great to see Mr. and Mrs. Gardner's most ardent supporters express some degree of concern for the "alleged" victims, too -- even under their breath, as an afterthought maybe. Wishful thinking, I know.
As with many of you, I've been involved with the justice/court system for many years and still believe in "innocent until proven guilty" -- the system worked the way it's supposed to for Casey Anthony, even though a lot of people are sure she's guilty. Over the years, one thing I've seen time and again is that the court system is about the law, not about justice. Hopefully justice will prevail here, but it's in Mr. Gardner's interest to fight this to the end, so I expect no reasonableness for the victims' sake.
I've read the various posts re: this matter, but I'm saddened to see some of the more argumentative comments (as opposed to straight opinions). Of course, the beauty of our country is that people can say whatever however, but it would be gratifying to the victims' families for comments to be made without getting personal. Not that I'm trying to curb anyone's liberties ...
There are a number of troubling details about this case, as with so many others, including how the defense will be coming at these young kids. My biggest disappointment, to date, is the manner in which the Falls Church paper has reported on the "story." I understand that Mr. Gardner has written for the paper, and that both he and his wife are deeply entrenched in the political scene. However, leaving out significant (unidentifying) details of the investigation that were available to them, softening the description of the specific allegations in court, and devoting more time/space to the judge's record than the testimony of the victims at the recent hearing, seems inequitable somehow.
Worse things happen to little kids every day and it really could have been much worse, but the victims and their families are going through a terrible ordeal as it is. The disgusting details will probably emerge at some point, but in the interest of fairness, it would be great to see Mr. and Mrs. Gardner's most ardent supporters express some degree of concern for the "alleged" victims, too -- even under their breath, as an afterthought maybe. Wishful thinking, I know.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
worse things happen?????
()
Date: July 20, 2011 09:57AM
His kids are victims too. We do not know if he has done this before or to his own daughter. You never really know someone.
To say worse things can happen to a little girl is stupid. I guess since he did not rape them it is OK what he did?
You have no common sense.
To say worse things can happen to a little girl is stupid. I guess since he did not rape them it is OK what he did?
You have no common sense.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
J.D. Walker
()
Date: July 20, 2011 10:56AM
While I agree that any adult who molests children needs to be strung up, just because someone making an accusation is a child doesn't make the accusation automatically true.
The man is innocent until proven guilty, and if he truly believes himself to be innocent of the crime, then he owes it to NO ONE to just roll over and accept a plea bargain and conviction.
In my distant past, I was falsely accused of rape (not of a child, thank God). Evidence later exonerated me, but I lost many friends over it, especially due to my refusal to admit guilt (because I wasn't guilty).
After the evidence exonerated me and fingered the actual rapist, I went back to one such person and asked if they had anything they wanted to say to me. They did not. Total lack of remorse over a rush to judgement.
That's exactly what I'm seeing here.
What I'm also seeing, is that one person on here already indicated they will decline to use the professional services of someone holding an opinion they don't like. That is immature in the extreme, in the same way a while back of the lady who demanded child trick-or-treaters disclose who their parents voted for, and if she didn't like the answer, they didn't get candy.
WTF??
The man is innocent until proven guilty, and if he truly believes himself to be innocent of the crime, then he owes it to NO ONE to just roll over and accept a plea bargain and conviction.
In my distant past, I was falsely accused of rape (not of a child, thank God). Evidence later exonerated me, but I lost many friends over it, especially due to my refusal to admit guilt (because I wasn't guilty).
After the evidence exonerated me and fingered the actual rapist, I went back to one such person and asked if they had anything they wanted to say to me. They did not. Total lack of remorse over a rush to judgement.
That's exactly what I'm seeing here.
What I'm also seeing, is that one person on here already indicated they will decline to use the professional services of someone holding an opinion they don't like. That is immature in the extreme, in the same way a while back of the lady who demanded child trick-or-treaters disclose who their parents voted for, and if she didn't like the answer, they didn't get candy.
WTF??
Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned for the Kids
()
Date: July 20, 2011 05:41PM
Sorry to have offended "worse things can happen?????". I tried to be very careful not to suggest that the plight of these victims was on par with those who have either lost their lives or suffered a violent attack. Apparently my lack of common sense got in the way. I'm not aware of anyone, including me, suggesting that the "alleged" activities were ok -- that's just an ignorant comment. It's insightful and informative responses such as these that keep the dialogue constructive ... thanks for sharing.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
blue eyed blonde
()
Date: July 20, 2011 07:02PM
Gardner Indicted on Three Counts
By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
July 20, 2011
Michael Gardner has been indicted on two counts of aggravated sexual battery and one count of object sexual penetration. The Grand Jury of the Arlington Circuit Court handed down the indictments on Monday, July 18.
Mr. Gardner is due in Court tomorrow morning. The judge will set a trial date at that time.
Wow - I dated Mike ( seriously) in high school) - I am shocked. I am praying for all those involved in this case - especially the sweet children (alleged victims and his own) that will be effected by this tragedy.
By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
July 20, 2011
Michael Gardner has been indicted on two counts of aggravated sexual battery and one count of object sexual penetration. The Grand Jury of the Arlington Circuit Court handed down the indictments on Monday, July 18.
Mr. Gardner is due in Court tomorrow morning. The judge will set a trial date at that time.
Wow - I dated Mike ( seriously) in high school) - I am shocked. I am praying for all those involved in this case - especially the sweet children (alleged victims and his own) that will be effected by this tragedy.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Thank you!
()
Date: July 20, 2011 07:16PM
Nine year old girls do not make this stuff up! How would they even know about such things unless someone took advantage of them.
We must protect those who come forward since other kids may hear about this and feel like they should hide being abused since an adult may not believe them.
We must protect those who come forward since other kids may hear about this and feel like they should hide being abused since an adult may not believe them.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
No Kidding
()
Date: July 20, 2011 07:22PM
Thank you! Wrote:
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> ... How would they even know about such things unless
> someone took advantage of them...
Oh brother.
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> ... How would they even know about such things unless
> someone took advantage of them...
Oh brother.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Question??
()
Date: July 20, 2011 07:29PM
Is his wife standing behind him?
She should run like the wind and protect her kids first and foremost.
I would rather be wrong and protect my kids then be right and ruin their lives forever!
She should run like the wind and protect her kids first and foremost.
I would rather be wrong and protect my kids then be right and ruin their lives forever!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
AL:JK:FSDKLJFDSJKLSFLJKSDKLF
()
Date: July 20, 2011 07:40PM
Lydia Zache Wrote:
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Stupid democrats
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Stupid democrats
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
blue eyed blonde
()
Date: July 20, 2011 08:34PM
Funny thing - when I knew him he was a serious Repub - gave all those Liberals such grief. He has changed quite a bit on several levels! Obviously we all do - hopefully most for the better.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
To:Blue eyed blond
()
Date: July 20, 2011 09:22PM
You must be friends with Liz.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Blue Eyed Blonde
()
Date: July 21, 2011 11:19AM
To:Blue eyed blond Wrote:
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> You must be friends with Liz.
No, not sure who Liz is.
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> You must be friends with Liz.
No, not sure who Liz is.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
J.D. Walker
()
Date: July 21, 2011 02:46PM
Question?? Wrote:
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> Is his wife standing behind him?
>
> She should run like the wind and protect her kids
> first and foremost.
>
> I would rather be wrong and protect my kids then
> be right and ruin their lives forever!
And what if you were wrong? Congratulations, you've just flushed your marriage down the toilet.
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> Is his wife standing behind him?
>
> She should run like the wind and protect her kids
> first and foremost.
>
> I would rather be wrong and protect my kids then
> be right and ruin their lives forever!
And what if you were wrong? Congratulations, you've just flushed your marriage down the toilet.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
before that
()
Date: July 21, 2011 02:50PM
J.D. Walker Wrote:
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> Question?? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is his wife standing behind him?
> >
> > She should run like the wind and protect her
> kids
> > first and foremost.
> >
> > I would rather be wrong and protect my kids
> then
> > be right and ruin their lives forever!
>
>
> And what if you were wrong? Congratulations,
> you've just flushed your marriage down the toilet.
Call me crazy, but I think he flushed his marriage down the toilet when he molested little girls.
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> Question?? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is his wife standing behind him?
> >
> > She should run like the wind and protect her
> kids
> > first and foremost.
> >
> > I would rather be wrong and protect my kids
> then
> > be right and ruin their lives forever!
>
>
> And what if you were wrong? Congratulations,
> you've just flushed your marriage down the toilet.
Call me crazy, but I think he flushed his marriage down the toilet when he molested little girls.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
J.D. Walker
()
Date: July 21, 2011 03:08PM
before that Wrote:
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> J.D. Walker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Question?? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Is his wife standing behind him?
> > >
> > > She should run like the wind and protect her
> > kids
> > > first and foremost.
> > >
> > > I would rather be wrong and protect my kids
> > then
> > > be right and ruin their lives forever!
> >
> >
> > And what if you were wrong? Congratulations,
> > you've just flushed your marriage down the
> toilet.
>
> Call me crazy, but I think he flushed his marriage
> down the toilet when he molested little girls.
So...guilty unless proven innocent eh? And you missed the point. What if it does happen to Question, and she is wrong, and her husband is later proven innocent???
I know that if I were falsely accused of something heinous like this, and my wife didn't stand behind me, it would be over.
Bottom line, just because an accusation is made doesn't automatically make it true. Ask Sean Lannigan.
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> J.D. Walker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Question?? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Is his wife standing behind him?
> > >
> > > She should run like the wind and protect her
> > kids
> > > first and foremost.
> > >
> > > I would rather be wrong and protect my kids
> > then
> > > be right and ruin their lives forever!
> >
> >
> > And what if you were wrong? Congratulations,
> > you've just flushed your marriage down the
> toilet.
>
> Call me crazy, but I think he flushed his marriage
> down the toilet when he molested little girls.
So...guilty unless proven innocent eh? And you missed the point. What if it does happen to Question, and she is wrong, and her husband is later proven innocent???
I know that if I were falsely accused of something heinous like this, and my wife didn't stand behind me, it would be over.
Bottom line, just because an accusation is made doesn't automatically make it true. Ask Sean Lannigan.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
lessons for every guy
()
Date: July 21, 2011 03:15PM
No guy should ever be alone with someone else's kid. I have no clue on the facts of this case, but if you don't want to get accused, don't ever put yourself in that circumstance. It's sad, but it's the world we live in.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
J.D. Walker
()
Date: July 21, 2011 03:38PM
lessons for every guy Wrote:
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> No guy should ever be alone with someone else's
> kid. I have no clue on the facts of this case,
> but if you don't want to get accused, don't ever
> put yourself in that circumstance. It's sad, but
> it's the world we live in.
It is very sad, but I can't argue with this assertion. It's why I'll never ever be an elementary school teacher, even though that's been a dream of mine.
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> No guy should ever be alone with someone else's
> kid. I have no clue on the facts of this case,
> but if you don't want to get accused, don't ever
> put yourself in that circumstance. It's sad, but
> it's the world we live in.
It is very sad, but I can't argue with this assertion. It's why I'll never ever be an elementary school teacher, even though that's been a dream of mine.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
no more sleep overs!
()
Date: July 21, 2011 03:39PM
I hate sleep overs. The next day you pay for with the kids all being crabby and shit. Plus now that this has happened it just adds to list.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
before that
()
Date: July 21, 2011 03:47PM
J.D. Walker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> before that Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > J.D. Walker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Question?? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Is his wife standing behind him?
> > > >
> > > > She should run like the wind and protect
> her
> > > kids
> > > > first and foremost.
> > > >
> > > > I would rather be wrong and protect my kids
> > > then
> > > > be right and ruin their lives forever!
> > >
> > >
> > > And what if you were wrong? Congratulations,
> > > you've just flushed your marriage down the
> > toilet.
> >
> > Call me crazy, but I think he flushed his
> marriage
> > down the toilet when he molested little girls.
>
>
> So...guilty unless proven innocent eh? And you
> missed the point. What if it does happen to
> Question, and she is wrong, and her husband is
> later proven innocent???
>
> I know that if I were falsely accused of something
> heinous like this, and my wife didn't stand behind
> me, it would be over.
>
> Bottom line, just because an accusation is made
> doesn't automatically make it true. Ask Sean
> Lannigan.
Maybe I'll just ask Gardner's victims. Yes, that is victims with an "s" as in they are plural.
And no, I did not miss the point.
I don't need a trial to know he is guilty.
-------------------------------------------------------
> before that Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > J.D. Walker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Question?? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Is his wife standing behind him?
> > > >
> > > > She should run like the wind and protect
> her
> > > kids
> > > > first and foremost.
> > > >
> > > > I would rather be wrong and protect my kids
> > > then
> > > > be right and ruin their lives forever!
> > >
> > >
> > > And what if you were wrong? Congratulations,
> > > you've just flushed your marriage down the
> > toilet.
> >
> > Call me crazy, but I think he flushed his
> marriage
> > down the toilet when he molested little girls.
>
>
> So...guilty unless proven innocent eh? And you
> missed the point. What if it does happen to
> Question, and she is wrong, and her husband is
> later proven innocent???
>
> I know that if I were falsely accused of something
> heinous like this, and my wife didn't stand behind
> me, it would be over.
>
> Bottom line, just because an accusation is made
> doesn't automatically make it true. Ask Sean
> Lannigan.
Maybe I'll just ask Gardner's victims. Yes, that is victims with an "s" as in they are plural.
And no, I did not miss the point.
I don't need a trial to know he is guilty.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
guilty period huh
()
Date: July 21, 2011 06:47PM
before that Wrote:
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> I don't need a trial to know he is guilty.
Do you know what a "leading question" is? Do you know the type of questions untrained and undisciplined questioners ask? Do you know the ramifications of such questions when asking kids them?
Example: You are visibly upset. You are having ice cream with your kid to try to get through to her. You say "That's good, isn't it?". How do you think your kid will respond? Do you think your kid would DARE to say "No, I don't like it. I like more chocolate!". Really?
Example 2: You are visibly upset. YOu ask your kid "Did he touch you right here?". Your kid says "No." You ask again "Are you sure, dear. Are you sure he didn't touch you right here?".
Ad nauseum.
Parents and undisciplined other adults are death to real facts.
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> I don't need a trial to know he is guilty.
Do you know what a "leading question" is? Do you know the type of questions untrained and undisciplined questioners ask? Do you know the ramifications of such questions when asking kids them?
Example: You are visibly upset. You are having ice cream with your kid to try to get through to her. You say "That's good, isn't it?". How do you think your kid will respond? Do you think your kid would DARE to say "No, I don't like it. I like more chocolate!". Really?
Example 2: You are visibly upset. YOu ask your kid "Did he touch you right here?". Your kid says "No." You ask again "Are you sure, dear. Are you sure he didn't touch you right here?".
Ad nauseum.
Parents and undisciplined other adults are death to real facts.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: July 21, 2011 07:26PM
@guilty - um, yr example 1 makes no sense. why would you be "having ice cream with your kid to try to get through to her?" Why would you ask "That's good, isn't it?" in a visbly upset moment? I mean wouldnt you be more focused on calming yrself down from whatever it is that is making you upset? Either way, wouldnt you know what type of icecream yr kid liked?
example 2 : if you can compare a kid eating to a kid getting "touched"................then you gots the "issues", pedobear. Cause no adult is normally asking the question "Did he touch you right here?" unless there was a reason too - trained pros usually are involved in asking the kids about "example 2" level questions, such as in this current case
yr examples make as much sense as J.D. Walker & lessons for every guy posts up there - any guy can be left alone with a little kid as long as.............and pay attention now, cause this is the kicker here....... THE GUY DOESNT TRY TO MOLEST THE KID!! Little kids are not manipulative little liars so badly that the even sexual assualts. High school, yeah maybe - but little 10 yr olds, I DONT FUCKING THINK SO!
example 2 : if you can compare a kid eating to a kid getting "touched"................then you gots the "issues", pedobear. Cause no adult is normally asking the question "Did he touch you right here?" unless there was a reason too - trained pros usually are involved in asking the kids about "example 2" level questions, such as in this current case
yr examples make as much sense as J.D. Walker & lessons for every guy posts up there - any guy can be left alone with a little kid as long as.............and pay attention now, cause this is the kicker here....... THE GUY DOESNT TRY TO MOLEST THE KID!! Little kids are not manipulative little liars so badly that the even sexual assualts. High school, yeah maybe - but little 10 yr olds, I DONT FUCKING THINK SO!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ComeOn GetOverWithIt
()
Date: September 19, 2011 02:59PM
Michael Gardner Trial Delayed Until January 2012
By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
http://fallschurchtimes.com/30556/michael-gardner-trial-delayed-until-january-2012/
September 19, 2011
The trial of Michael Gardner has been delayed until January 23, 2012, according to a report by Channel 7 News. The continuance was granted this morning in Arlington Circuit Court.
Gardner was scheduled to face a jury trial beginning on October 3 for felony sexual abuse charges involving three young girls. Last month the Court granted a prosecution motion to try the charges together, rather than separately.
Gardner is accused of aggravated sexual battery and object sexual penetration. The events allegedly occured on the night of June 18, when two of the girls attended a slumber party at the Gardner family home, and on the night of June 16, when the third girl slept over at the house.
Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police on June 22 and released the following day on $50,000 bond. He was indicted by the Grand Jury on July 18.
----------------------------------------------------
Gardner Sex Assault Trial Delayed Until January
By FCNP.com
http://www.fcnp.com/news/10123-gardner-sex-assault-trial-delayed-until-january.html
Monday, September 19 2011 01:15:56 PM
Michael Gardner, Falls Church City activist and husband of former mayor and current City Council member Robin Gardner, was granted a trial delay in a court hearing today that moved the date of his jury trial from Oct. 3 to Jan. 23, 2012.
Gardner is charged with committing two felony acts of aggravated sexual battery and one act of object sexual penetration. The alleged victims are three 9- and 10-year-old girls who attended sleepovers at Gardner's house this past June.
By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
http://fallschurchtimes.com/30556/michael-gardner-trial-delayed-until-january-2012/
September 19, 2011
The trial of Michael Gardner has been delayed until January 23, 2012, according to a report by Channel 7 News. The continuance was granted this morning in Arlington Circuit Court.
Gardner was scheduled to face a jury trial beginning on October 3 for felony sexual abuse charges involving three young girls. Last month the Court granted a prosecution motion to try the charges together, rather than separately.
Gardner is accused of aggravated sexual battery and object sexual penetration. The events allegedly occured on the night of June 18, when two of the girls attended a slumber party at the Gardner family home, and on the night of June 16, when the third girl slept over at the house.
Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police on June 22 and released the following day on $50,000 bond. He was indicted by the Grand Jury on July 18.
----------------------------------------------------
Gardner Sex Assault Trial Delayed Until January
By FCNP.com
http://www.fcnp.com/news/10123-gardner-sex-assault-trial-delayed-until-january.html
Monday, September 19 2011 01:15:56 PM
Michael Gardner, Falls Church City activist and husband of former mayor and current City Council member Robin Gardner, was granted a trial delay in a court hearing today that moved the date of his jury trial from Oct. 3 to Jan. 23, 2012.
Gardner is charged with committing two felony acts of aggravated sexual battery and one act of object sexual penetration. The alleged victims are three 9- and 10-year-old girls who attended sleepovers at Gardner's house this past June.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
jace miller
()
Date: September 27, 2011 10:07PM
dude that isnt even him in the picture get your facts straight.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
urdone
()
Date: September 29, 2011 10:08PM
ComeOn GetOverWithIt Wrote:
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> Michael Gardner Trial Delayed Until January 2012
> By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
> http://fallschurchtimes.com/30556/michael-gardner-
> trial-delayed-until-january-2012/
>
> September 19, 2011
>
> The trial of Michael Gardner has been delayed
> until January 23, 2012, according to a report by
> Channel 7 News. The continuance was granted this
> morning in Arlington Circuit Court.
>
> Gardner was scheduled to face a jury trial
> beginning on October 3 for felony sexual abuse
> charges involving three young girls. Last month
> the Court granted a prosecution motion to try the
> charges together, rather than separately.
>
> Gardner is accused of aggravated sexual battery
> and object sexual penetration. The events
> allegedly occured on the night of June 18, when
> two of the girls attended a slumber party at the
> Gardner family home, and on the night of June 16,
> when the third girl slept over at the house.
>
> Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police
> on June 22 and released the following day on
> $50,000 bond. He was indicted by the Grand Jury
> on July 18.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> --
> Gardner Sex Assault Trial Delayed Until January
>
> By FCNP.com
> http://www.fcnp.com/news/10123-gardner-sex-assault
> -trial-delayed-until-january.html
>
> Monday, September 19 2011 01:15:56 PM
>
> Michael Gardner, Falls Church City activist and
> husband of former mayor and current City Council
> member Robin Gardner, was granted a trial delay in
> a court hearing today that moved the date of his
> jury trial from Oct. 3 to Jan. 23, 2012.
>
> Gardner is charged with committing two felony acts
> of aggravated sexual battery and one act of object
> sexual penetration. The alleged victims are three
> 9- and 10-year-old girls who attended sleepovers
> at Gardner's house this past June.
Delaying the inevitable
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> Michael Gardner Trial Delayed Until January 2012
> By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
> http://fallschurchtimes.com/30556/michael-gardner-
> trial-delayed-until-january-2012/
>
> September 19, 2011
>
> The trial of Michael Gardner has been delayed
> until January 23, 2012, according to a report by
> Channel 7 News. The continuance was granted this
> morning in Arlington Circuit Court.
>
> Gardner was scheduled to face a jury trial
> beginning on October 3 for felony sexual abuse
> charges involving three young girls. Last month
> the Court granted a prosecution motion to try the
> charges together, rather than separately.
>
> Gardner is accused of aggravated sexual battery
> and object sexual penetration. The events
> allegedly occured on the night of June 18, when
> two of the girls attended a slumber party at the
> Gardner family home, and on the night of June 16,
> when the third girl slept over at the house.
>
> Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police
> on June 22 and released the following day on
> $50,000 bond. He was indicted by the Grand Jury
> on July 18.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> --
> Gardner Sex Assault Trial Delayed Until January
>
> By FCNP.com
> http://www.fcnp.com/news/10123-gardner-sex-assault
> -trial-delayed-until-january.html
>
> Monday, September 19 2011 01:15:56 PM
>
> Michael Gardner, Falls Church City activist and
> husband of former mayor and current City Council
> member Robin Gardner, was granted a trial delay in
> a court hearing today that moved the date of his
> jury trial from Oct. 3 to Jan. 23, 2012.
>
> Gardner is charged with committing two felony acts
> of aggravated sexual battery and one act of object
> sexual penetration. The alleged victims are three
> 9- and 10-year-old girls who attended sleepovers
> at Gardner's house this past June.
Delaying the inevitable
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 29, 2011 10:17PM
jace miller Wrote:
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> dude that isnt even him in the picture get your
> facts straight.
This is a picture of him:
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> dude that isnt even him in the picture get your
> facts straight.
This is a picture of him:
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 30, 2011 08:21AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Two Cents
()
Date: September 30, 2011 09:20AM
He's guilty as sin.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
CumOn: He Did Get It Over With
()
Date: October 12, 2011 09:26AM
http://wusa9.com/news/article/170697/373/Sperm-Found-On-Girls-Pajamas-In-Child-Molestation-Case
7:55am Oct 12, 2011
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA) - Lab tests which analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and suspect in a child molestation case show sperm was found on one of the little girl's pajama bottoms, according to Arlington County Court officials.
Because the lab results contain the names of the young victims, the court would not release those documents, but a deputy clerk of the court did read them WUSA's Peggy Fox.
In June of 2011, three little girls, two were ten years old and one was nine, accused their friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting them.
The girls told the court in a probably cause hearing that while they were at sleepovers at the Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner opened their sleeping bags and touched their private parts. Charges include aggravated sexual battery and animate object penetration.
The lab tested several items including one of the girl's underpants where the scientists found a DNA profile foreign to the victim. That means someone else's DNA was found on the girl.
The lab found that Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as the person who left that DNA. It also determined the odds of it being another Caucasian male, are one in 20.7 quadrillion.
Specifically, Gardner's DNA profile is 20.7 quadrillion times more probable than in a coincidental match with unrelated Caucasian.
In a sample from another girl's pajama bottoms, sperm was found in the internal crotch area and in a stain on the left leg.
Again, the lab found DNA results do not eliminate Michael Gardner for a match. In this case, the lab determined that the odds of it being another Caucasian male are one in 38- hundred.
Specifically, 3,860 times more probable than a coincidental match of an unrelated caucasian person.
Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police on June 22 and was indicted by the Grand Jury on July 18. His trial has been delayed until January 23, 2012. The case has been moved from the small Falls Church court system to Arlington County.
7:55am Oct 12, 2011
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA) - Lab tests which analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and suspect in a child molestation case show sperm was found on one of the little girl's pajama bottoms, according to Arlington County Court officials.
Because the lab results contain the names of the young victims, the court would not release those documents, but a deputy clerk of the court did read them WUSA's Peggy Fox.
In June of 2011, three little girls, two were ten years old and one was nine, accused their friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting them.
The girls told the court in a probably cause hearing that while they were at sleepovers at the Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner opened their sleeping bags and touched their private parts. Charges include aggravated sexual battery and animate object penetration.
The lab tested several items including one of the girl's underpants where the scientists found a DNA profile foreign to the victim. That means someone else's DNA was found on the girl.
The lab found that Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as the person who left that DNA. It also determined the odds of it being another Caucasian male, are one in 20.7 quadrillion.
Specifically, Gardner's DNA profile is 20.7 quadrillion times more probable than in a coincidental match with unrelated Caucasian.
In a sample from another girl's pajama bottoms, sperm was found in the internal crotch area and in a stain on the left leg.
Again, the lab found DNA results do not eliminate Michael Gardner for a match. In this case, the lab determined that the odds of it being another Caucasian male are one in 38- hundred.
Specifically, 3,860 times more probable than a coincidental match of an unrelated caucasian person.
Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police on June 22 and was indicted by the Grand Jury on July 18. His trial has been delayed until January 23, 2012. The case has been moved from the small Falls Church court system to Arlington County.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
puthisballsinawoodchipper
()
Date: October 12, 2011 09:48AM
guilty period huh Wrote:
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> before that Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't need a trial to know he is guilty.
>
> Do you know what a "leading question" is? Do you
> know the type of questions untrained and
> undisciplined questioners ask? Do you know the
> ramifications of such questions when asking kids
> them?
>
> Example: You are visibly upset. You are having ice
> cream with your kid to try to get through to her.
> You say "That's good, isn't it?". How do you think
> your kid will respond? Do you think your kid would
> DARE to say "No, I don't like it. I like more
> chocolate!". Really?
>
> Example 2: You are visibly upset. YOu ask your kid
> "Did he touch you right here?". Your kid says
> "No." You ask again "Are you sure, dear. Are you
> sure he didn't touch you right here?".
>
> Ad nauseum.
>
> Parents and undisciplined other adults are death
> to real facts.
I know what DNA is and I know what a quadrillion is. Again, no need for a trial to know he is guilty.
-------------------------------------------------------
> before that Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't need a trial to know he is guilty.
>
> Do you know what a "leading question" is? Do you
> know the type of questions untrained and
> undisciplined questioners ask? Do you know the
> ramifications of such questions when asking kids
> them?
>
> Example: You are visibly upset. You are having ice
> cream with your kid to try to get through to her.
> You say "That's good, isn't it?". How do you think
> your kid will respond? Do you think your kid would
> DARE to say "No, I don't like it. I like more
> chocolate!". Really?
>
> Example 2: You are visibly upset. YOu ask your kid
> "Did he touch you right here?". Your kid says
> "No." You ask again "Are you sure, dear. Are you
> sure he didn't touch you right here?".
>
> Ad nauseum.
>
> Parents and undisciplined other adults are death
> to real facts.
I know what DNA is and I know what a quadrillion is. Again, no need for a trial to know he is guilty.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ComeOn
()
Date: October 18, 2011 10:20PM
http://arlington.wusa9.com/news/news/76087-dna-evidence-arlington-child-molestation-case
DNA Evidence In Arlington Child Molestation Case
Monday, October 17th, 2011, 12:00pm
This story is updated with additional information from the Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk. Our earlier version did not include information that some of the DNA profiles from some of the samples did eliminate Michael A. Gardner as a contributor.
ARLINGTON COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - In lab tests, which analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and suspect in a child molestation case, one of the substances found was sperm, according to Arlington County Court officials reading the results of lab tests.
Because the lab results contain the names of the young victims, the court would not release those documents, but both Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk Paul Ferguson and Deputy Clerk Nela Hargrove read them to WUSA's Peggy Fox.
In June of 2011, three little girls, two who were ten years old and one who was nine, accused their friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting them.
The girls told the court in a probable cause hearing that while they were at sleepovers at the Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner opened their sleeping bags and touched their private parts. Charges include aggravated sexual battery and animate object penetration.
In the documents from the lab, Hargrove read that the lab received several items to examine:
Item # 1: The physical evidence recovery kits;
Item #4: an alleged victim's underpants;
Item #6: an alleged victim's pajama pants;
Item #7: another alleged victim's pajama pants;
Item #9: buccal (cheek) swab from Michael A. Gardner;
Item # 10: swab from another alleged victim.
Hargrove read that on Item 4, "A DNA profile foreign to the alleged victim was developed of interior crotch of the underpants and Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor." Hargrove read "Michael Gardner's DNA profile is 20.7 quadrillion times more probable than in a coincidental match with an unrelated Caucasian."
An expert in forensic science explained that those numbers mean that the odds of the DNA profile matching to another Caucasian male, are one in 20.7 quadrillion.
Hargrove read that on Item 7, "spermatozoa were identified on a stained area on interior crotch and spermatozoa were identified in a stain on the exterior left leg and from front hem of pajama pants."
Hargrove read from the final portion under Item 7, "Based on these results, a match between the pajama pants, Item 7, and Michael A. Gardner, Item 9, is 3.86 thousand times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian person."
Hargrove also read that Michael Gardner is eliminated as a contributor from some of the DNA profiles collected from Item 7, specifically, from "the sperm fraction from a representative sample of the stained area on the interior crotch of the pajama pants" and "the interior waistband of the pajama pants."
But also concerning Item 7, Hargrove read that according to a "a DNA mixture profile foreign to the victim developed from an exterior pelvic area of the pajama pants, Michael A. Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor."
In more detail, here is what Ferguson read on the findings of the sperm in Item 7:
"A DNA mixture profile foreign to victim was developed from the sperm fraction from a representative sample of the stained area on the interior crotch of the Pajama pants. Michael Gardner, the alleged victim and other alleged victim are eliminated as contributors to this foreign DNA profile. Due to the limited information obtained, the minor profile developed from this mixture is not suitable for comparison.
No DNA typing results were developed from the sperm fraction of the stain on the exterior left leg from hem and a DNA profile of no value was developed from the non-sperm fraction of this sample. Due to the limited information obtained, this profile is not suitable for comparison.
A DNA a profile of limited value and foreign to alleged victim was developed from a portion of the interior waistband of the pjs pants. Michael A Gardner victim and victim are eliminated as contributors of this foreign DNA profile. This profile may be suitable for comparison. Due to the limited information obtained, it is not suitable for searching again the VA DNA data bank or submission to the national DNA data bank.
A DNA profile attributed to the alleged victim is also present in the sample ."
"A DNA mixture profile of limited value and foreign to alleged victim was developed from the exterior pelvic area of the pajama pants. Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor as their foreign mixture profile. The alleged victim and the other alleged victim are eliminated to this foreign DNA mixture profile. A DNA profile attributed alleged victim is also present in this sample.
The statistical analysis regarding this DNA mixture profile will be the subject of a separate report Although suitable for comparison, due to the unknown number of potential contributors, and the complex nature of this mixture profile, it is not suitable for searching again the VA DNA databank or submission to the Nat. DNA databank. Additional DNA comparisons can be conducted following the submission of two buccal (Cheek) swabs from another person of interest to the lab."
Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police on June 22 and was indicted by the Grand Jury on July 18. His trial has been delayed until January 23, 2012. The case has been moved from the small Falls Church court system to Arlington County.
DNA Evidence In Arlington Child Molestation Case
Monday, October 17th, 2011, 12:00pm
This story is updated with additional information from the Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk. Our earlier version did not include information that some of the DNA profiles from some of the samples did eliminate Michael A. Gardner as a contributor.
ARLINGTON COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - In lab tests, which analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and suspect in a child molestation case, one of the substances found was sperm, according to Arlington County Court officials reading the results of lab tests.
Because the lab results contain the names of the young victims, the court would not release those documents, but both Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk Paul Ferguson and Deputy Clerk Nela Hargrove read them to WUSA's Peggy Fox.
In June of 2011, three little girls, two who were ten years old and one who was nine, accused their friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting them.
The girls told the court in a probable cause hearing that while they were at sleepovers at the Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner opened their sleeping bags and touched their private parts. Charges include aggravated sexual battery and animate object penetration.
In the documents from the lab, Hargrove read that the lab received several items to examine:
Item # 1: The physical evidence recovery kits;
Item #4: an alleged victim's underpants;
Item #6: an alleged victim's pajama pants;
Item #7: another alleged victim's pajama pants;
Item #9: buccal (cheek) swab from Michael A. Gardner;
Item # 10: swab from another alleged victim.
Hargrove read that on Item 4, "A DNA profile foreign to the alleged victim was developed of interior crotch of the underpants and Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor." Hargrove read "Michael Gardner's DNA profile is 20.7 quadrillion times more probable than in a coincidental match with an unrelated Caucasian."
An expert in forensic science explained that those numbers mean that the odds of the DNA profile matching to another Caucasian male, are one in 20.7 quadrillion.
Hargrove read that on Item 7, "spermatozoa were identified on a stained area on interior crotch and spermatozoa were identified in a stain on the exterior left leg and from front hem of pajama pants."
Hargrove read from the final portion under Item 7, "Based on these results, a match between the pajama pants, Item 7, and Michael A. Gardner, Item 9, is 3.86 thousand times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian person."
Hargrove also read that Michael Gardner is eliminated as a contributor from some of the DNA profiles collected from Item 7, specifically, from "the sperm fraction from a representative sample of the stained area on the interior crotch of the pajama pants" and "the interior waistband of the pajama pants."
But also concerning Item 7, Hargrove read that according to a "a DNA mixture profile foreign to the victim developed from an exterior pelvic area of the pajama pants, Michael A. Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor."
In more detail, here is what Ferguson read on the findings of the sperm in Item 7:
"A DNA mixture profile foreign to victim was developed from the sperm fraction from a representative sample of the stained area on the interior crotch of the Pajama pants. Michael Gardner, the alleged victim and other alleged victim are eliminated as contributors to this foreign DNA profile. Due to the limited information obtained, the minor profile developed from this mixture is not suitable for comparison.
No DNA typing results were developed from the sperm fraction of the stain on the exterior left leg from hem and a DNA profile of no value was developed from the non-sperm fraction of this sample. Due to the limited information obtained, this profile is not suitable for comparison.
A DNA a profile of limited value and foreign to alleged victim was developed from a portion of the interior waistband of the pjs pants. Michael A Gardner victim and victim are eliminated as contributors of this foreign DNA profile. This profile may be suitable for comparison. Due to the limited information obtained, it is not suitable for searching again the VA DNA data bank or submission to the national DNA data bank.
A DNA profile attributed to the alleged victim is also present in the sample ."
"A DNA mixture profile of limited value and foreign to alleged victim was developed from the exterior pelvic area of the pajama pants. Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor as their foreign mixture profile. The alleged victim and the other alleged victim are eliminated to this foreign DNA mixture profile. A DNA profile attributed alleged victim is also present in this sample.
The statistical analysis regarding this DNA mixture profile will be the subject of a separate report Although suitable for comparison, due to the unknown number of potential contributors, and the complex nature of this mixture profile, it is not suitable for searching again the VA DNA databank or submission to the Nat. DNA databank. Additional DNA comparisons can be conducted following the submission of two buccal (Cheek) swabs from another person of interest to the lab."
Gardner was arrested by Falls Church City police on June 22 and was indicted by the Grand Jury on July 18. His trial has been delayed until January 23, 2012. The case has been moved from the small Falls Church court system to Arlington County.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
4h4EG
()
Date: October 19, 2011 12:40AM
ComeOn Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://arlington.wusa9.com/news/news/76087-dna-evi
> dence-arlington-child-molestation-case
>
> DNA Evidence In Arlington Child Molestation Case
> Monday, October 17th, 2011, 12:00pm
>
>
> This story is updated with additional information
> from the Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk. Our
> earlier version did not include information that
> some of the DNA profiles from some of the samples
> did eliminate Michael A. Gardner as a contributor.
>
>
>
>
> ARLINGTON COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - In lab tests, which
> analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and suspect
> in a child molestation case, one of the substances
> found was sperm, according to Arlington County
> Court officials reading the results of lab tests.
>
>
> Because the lab results contain the names of the
> young victims, the court would not release those
> documents, but both Arlington County Circuit Court
> Clerk Paul Ferguson and Deputy Clerk Nela Hargrove
> read them to WUSA's Peggy Fox.
>
> In June of 2011, three little girls, two who were
> ten years old and one who was nine, accused their
> friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting
> them.
>
> The girls told the court in a probable cause
> hearing that while they were at sleepovers at the
> Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner opened
> their sleeping bags and touched their private
> parts. Charges include aggravated sexual battery
> and animate object penetration.
>
> In the documents from the lab, Hargrove read that
> the lab received several items to examine:
> Item # 1: The physical evidence recovery kits;
> Item #4: an alleged victim's underpants;
> Item #6: an alleged victim's pajama pants;
> Item #7: another alleged victim's pajama pants;
> Item #9: buccal (cheek) swab from Michael A.
> Gardner;
> Item # 10: swab from another alleged victim.
>
> Hargrove also read that Michael Gardner is
> eliminated as a contributor from some of the DNA
> profiles collected from Item 7, specifically, from
> "the sperm fraction from a representative sample
> of the stained area on the interior crotch of the
> pajama pants" and "the interior waistband of the
> pajama pants."
>
Am I reading it correctly that the sperm on item 7 cannot be linked to Gardner? Does that mean there was another male involved?? WTF?
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://arlington.wusa9.com/news/news/76087-dna-evi
> dence-arlington-child-molestation-case
>
> DNA Evidence In Arlington Child Molestation Case
> Monday, October 17th, 2011, 12:00pm
>
>
> This story is updated with additional information
> from the Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk. Our
> earlier version did not include information that
> some of the DNA profiles from some of the samples
> did eliminate Michael A. Gardner as a contributor.
>
>
>
>
> ARLINGTON COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - In lab tests, which
> analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and suspect
> in a child molestation case, one of the substances
> found was sperm, according to Arlington County
> Court officials reading the results of lab tests.
>
>
> Because the lab results contain the names of the
> young victims, the court would not release those
> documents, but both Arlington County Circuit Court
> Clerk Paul Ferguson and Deputy Clerk Nela Hargrove
> read them to WUSA's Peggy Fox.
>
> In June of 2011, three little girls, two who were
> ten years old and one who was nine, accused their
> friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting
> them.
>
> The girls told the court in a probable cause
> hearing that while they were at sleepovers at the
> Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner opened
> their sleeping bags and touched their private
> parts. Charges include aggravated sexual battery
> and animate object penetration.
>
> In the documents from the lab, Hargrove read that
> the lab received several items to examine:
> Item # 1: The physical evidence recovery kits;
> Item #4: an alleged victim's underpants;
> Item #6: an alleged victim's pajama pants;
> Item #7: another alleged victim's pajama pants;
> Item #9: buccal (cheek) swab from Michael A.
> Gardner;
> Item # 10: swab from another alleged victim.
>
> Hargrove also read that Michael Gardner is
> eliminated as a contributor from some of the DNA
> profiles collected from Item 7, specifically, from
> "the sperm fraction from a representative sample
> of the stained area on the interior crotch of the
> pajama pants" and "the interior waistband of the
> pajama pants."
>
Am I reading it correctly that the sperm on item 7 cannot be linked to Gardner? Does that mean there was another male involved?? WTF?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Interesting
()
Date: October 19, 2011 11:19AM
4h4EG Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ComeOn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://arlington.wusa9.com/news/news/76087-dna-evi
>
> > dence-arlington-child-molestation-case
> >
> > DNA Evidence In Arlington Child Molestation Case
>
> > Monday, October 17th, 2011, 12:00pm
> >
> >
> > This story is updated with additional
> information
> > from the Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk.
> Our
> > earlier version did not include information
> that
> > some of the DNA profiles from some of the
> samples
> > did eliminate Michael A. Gardner as a
> contributor.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ARLINGTON COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - In lab tests,
> which
> > analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and
> suspect
> > in a child molestation case, one of the
> substances
> > found was sperm, according to Arlington County
> > Court officials reading the results of lab
> tests.
> >
> >
> > Because the lab results contain the names of
> the
> > young victims, the court would not release
> those
> > documents, but both Arlington County Circuit
> Court
> > Clerk Paul Ferguson and Deputy Clerk Nela
> Hargrove
> > read them to WUSA's Peggy Fox.
> >
> > In June of 2011, three little girls, two who
> were
> > ten years old and one who was nine, accused
> their
> > friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting
> > them.
> >
> > The girls told the court in a probable cause
> > hearing that while they were at sleepovers at
> the
> > Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner
> opened
> > their sleeping bags and touched their private
> > parts. Charges include aggravated sexual
> battery
> > and animate object penetration.
> >
> > In the documents from the lab, Hargrove read
> that
> > the lab received several items to examine:
> > Item # 1: The physical evidence recovery kits;
> > Item #4: an alleged victim's underpants;
> > Item #6: an alleged victim's pajama pants;
> > Item #7: another alleged victim's pajama pants;
> > Item #9: buccal (cheek) swab from Michael A.
> > Gardner;
> > Item # 10: swab from another alleged victim.
>
>
> >
> > Hargrove also read that Michael Gardner is
> > eliminated as a contributor from some of the
> DNA
> > profiles collected from Item 7, specifically,
> from
> > "the sperm fraction from a representative
> sample
> > of the stained area on the interior crotch of
> the
> > pajama pants" and "the interior waistband of
> the
> > pajama pants."
> >
>
>
> Am I reading it correctly that the sperm on item 7
> cannot be linked to Gardner? Does that mean there
> was another male involved?? WTF?
As I understand it, the DNA seems to be his, but has not been completely ruled out on Item #7.
"A DNA mixture profile of limited value and foreign to alleged victim was developed from the exterior pelvic area of the pajama pants. Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor as their foreign mixture profile. The alleged victim and the other alleged victim are eliminated to this foreign DNA mixture profile. A DNA profile attributed alleged victim is also present in this sample.
The statistical analysis regarding this DNA mixture profile will be the subject of a separate report Although suitable for comparison, due to the unknown number of potential contributors, and the complex nature of this mixture profile, it is not suitable for searching again the VA DNA databank or submission to the Nat. DNA databank. Additional DNA comparisons can be conducted following the submission of two buccal (Cheek) swabs from another person of interest to the lab."
-------------------------------------------------------
> ComeOn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://arlington.wusa9.com/news/news/76087-dna-evi
>
> > dence-arlington-child-molestation-case
> >
> > DNA Evidence In Arlington Child Molestation Case
>
> > Monday, October 17th, 2011, 12:00pm
> >
> >
> > This story is updated with additional
> information
> > from the Arlington County Circuit Court Clerk.
> Our
> > earlier version did not include information
> that
> > some of the DNA profiles from some of the
> samples
> > did eliminate Michael A. Gardner as a
> contributor.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ARLINGTON COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - In lab tests,
> which
> > analyzed DNA from the alleged victims and
> suspect
> > in a child molestation case, one of the
> substances
> > found was sperm, according to Arlington County
> > Court officials reading the results of lab
> tests.
> >
> >
> > Because the lab results contain the names of
> the
> > young victims, the court would not release
> those
> > documents, but both Arlington County Circuit
> Court
> > Clerk Paul Ferguson and Deputy Clerk Nela
> Hargrove
> > read them to WUSA's Peggy Fox.
> >
> > In June of 2011, three little girls, two who
> were
> > ten years old and one who was nine, accused
> their
> > friend's father, Michael Gardner, of molesting
> > them.
> >
> > The girls told the court in a probable cause
> > hearing that while they were at sleepovers at
> the
> > Gardner's Falls Church house, Mr. Gardner
> opened
> > their sleeping bags and touched their private
> > parts. Charges include aggravated sexual
> battery
> > and animate object penetration.
> >
> > In the documents from the lab, Hargrove read
> that
> > the lab received several items to examine:
> > Item # 1: The physical evidence recovery kits;
> > Item #4: an alleged victim's underpants;
> > Item #6: an alleged victim's pajama pants;
> > Item #7: another alleged victim's pajama pants;
> > Item #9: buccal (cheek) swab from Michael A.
> > Gardner;
> > Item # 10: swab from another alleged victim.
>
>
> >
> > Hargrove also read that Michael Gardner is
> > eliminated as a contributor from some of the
> DNA
> > profiles collected from Item 7, specifically,
> from
> > "the sperm fraction from a representative
> sample
> > of the stained area on the interior crotch of
> the
> > pajama pants" and "the interior waistband of
> the
> > pajama pants."
> >
>
>
> Am I reading it correctly that the sperm on item 7
> cannot be linked to Gardner? Does that mean there
> was another male involved?? WTF?
As I understand it, the DNA seems to be his, but has not been completely ruled out on Item #7.
"A DNA mixture profile of limited value and foreign to alleged victim was developed from the exterior pelvic area of the pajama pants. Michael Gardner cannot be eliminated as a contributor as their foreign mixture profile. The alleged victim and the other alleged victim are eliminated to this foreign DNA mixture profile. A DNA profile attributed alleged victim is also present in this sample.
The statistical analysis regarding this DNA mixture profile will be the subject of a separate report Although suitable for comparison, due to the unknown number of potential contributors, and the complex nature of this mixture profile, it is not suitable for searching again the VA DNA databank or submission to the Nat. DNA databank. Additional DNA comparisons can be conducted following the submission of two buccal (Cheek) swabs from another person of interest to the lab."
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
His wife is scum too
()
Date: October 19, 2011 11:54AM
Why is his wife staying with him? She is just as sick as he is. If convicted can he still have contact with his daughter when he gets out of prison?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
KK
()
Date: October 19, 2011 12:16PM
Wait a minute....
Additional DNA comparisons can be conducted following the submission of two buccal (Cheek) swabs from another person of interest to the lab."
What is this "another person of interest"? If it was a sleepover, don't tell me there was yet another person there. If that's the case then this is even more horrible!
Additional DNA comparisons can be conducted following the submission of two buccal (Cheek) swabs from another person of interest to the lab."
What is this "another person of interest"? If it was a sleepover, don't tell me there was yet another person there. If that's the case then this is even more horrible!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Shower Time
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Date: October 19, 2011 04:20PM
Michael Gardner is going away for a long time....that sick fuck. Hey Michael - don't drop the soap!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
concerned child
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Date: October 19, 2011 04:47PM
is he out on bail?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ComeOn
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Date: October 19, 2011 09:59PM
From the comments at http://fallschurchtimes.com/30925/new-development-in-michael-gardner-case/#comments:
"Does anyone know _for sure_ what changed about Mike’s parole agreement? I never saw Mike between June and September and never saw both family cars at the residence, but since September he has been regularly visiting his home for long periods of time. I reside next door so it’s difficult to not to notice when both the van and the Mercedes are in the drive. Without the community knowing the agreement we can’t alert authorities of violating activities…"
"Modified — he can see his kids provided wife with him."
from which I conclude he's out on bail and he wasn't allowed to see his own children in even a supervised situation until recently.
"Does anyone know _for sure_ what changed about Mike’s parole agreement? I never saw Mike between June and September and never saw both family cars at the residence, but since September he has been regularly visiting his home for long periods of time. I reside next door so it’s difficult to not to notice when both the van and the Mercedes are in the drive. Without the community knowing the agreement we can’t alert authorities of violating activities…"
"Modified — he can see his kids provided wife with him."
from which I conclude he's out on bail and he wasn't allowed to see his own children in even a supervised situation until recently.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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More Charges
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Date: October 24, 2011 02:52PM
The Arlington Grand Jury has indicted Michael Gardner on a third count of aggravated sexual battery. The indictment was filed Monday and was the subject of a hearing today in Circuit Court.
Gardner was indicted in July on one count of object penetration and two counts of aggravated sexual battery involving three girls in two separate incidents at his home in June. The latest charge does not involve a fourth girl.
Trial on all counts is scheduled to begin on January 23, 2012 and is expected to last four days.
The trial originally had been scheduled to begin October 3 but was delayed to allow for the completion of DNA testing. Gardner’s attorney has disputed a recent WUSA-TV report on the test results.
Gardner was indicted in July on one count of object penetration and two counts of aggravated sexual battery involving three girls in two separate incidents at his home in June. The latest charge does not involve a fourth girl.
Trial on all counts is scheduled to begin on January 23, 2012 and is expected to last four days.
The trial originally had been scheduled to begin October 3 but was delayed to allow for the completion of DNA testing. Gardner’s attorney has disputed a recent WUSA-TV report on the test results.
Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Yet Another Concerned Parent
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Date: October 27, 2011 05:46PM
I believe his newfound visitation is no more than twice a week, supervised, for two hours at a time, though the police/prosecuter could say for sure. It would be for the greater good if "Come On" could report visits to Detective Sonja Richardson, FCPD, at 703-241-5053 (her number was in the initial news report).
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
smashihisballswithahammer
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Date: December 23, 2011 09:22AM
At a hearing in the Arlington Circuit Court Tuesday on a motion by Peter Greenspun, the attorney representing Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, to dismiss the charges against his client, Judge Joan Alper denied the motion and sealed its lengthy contents. Gardner is charged with three felony counts of aggravated sexual assault against three girls aged 10-11 in incidents that allegedly took place in his home last June.
Due to the need to investigate potentially exculpatory evidence presented in the motion to dismiss, the date for Gardner's trial was rescheduled from mid-January to the week of April 23, 2012. However, Judge Alper provided Gardner with more lenient terms of his bail. Greenspun pointed out to the judge Tuesday that parents of two of the alleged victims had been unwilling to comply with a Nov. 3 court order to provide key information until last weekend, when they learned of Tuesday's hearing. Prosecuting Commonwealth Attorney Nicole Wittman, from Loudoun County, acknowledged in court that DNA test results indicated that semen found on the clothing of one of the alleged victims was not Gardner's.
It is expected that DNA tests being conducted by the state on the identification of the person(s) associated with semen in question will be announced within a month.
Due to the need to investigate potentially exculpatory evidence presented in the motion to dismiss, the date for Gardner's trial was rescheduled from mid-January to the week of April 23, 2012. However, Judge Alper provided Gardner with more lenient terms of his bail. Greenspun pointed out to the judge Tuesday that parents of two of the alleged victims had been unwilling to comply with a Nov. 3 court order to provide key information until last weekend, when they learned of Tuesday's hearing. Prosecuting Commonwealth Attorney Nicole Wittman, from Loudoun County, acknowledged in court that DNA test results indicated that semen found on the clothing of one of the alleged victims was not Gardner's.
It is expected that DNA tests being conducted by the state on the identification of the person(s) associated with semen in question will be announced within a month.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ynFxG
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Date: December 23, 2011 08:40PM
"...DNA test results indicated that semen found on the clothing of one of the alleged victims was not Gardner's. "
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Whatever truly happened, it can not be good.
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Whatever truly happened, it can not be good.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
gardner gropes
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Date: January 23, 2012 12:48PM
smashihisballswithahammer Wrote:
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> It is expected that DNA tests being conducted by
> the state on the identification of the person(s)
> associated with semen in question will be
> announced within a month.
It has been a month. Any news on this? I can't seem to find any.
The trial was supposed to start today until a continuance was granted.
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> It is expected that DNA tests being conducted by
> the state on the identification of the person(s)
> associated with semen in question will be
> announced within a month.
It has been a month. Any news on this? I can't seem to find any.
The trial was supposed to start today until a continuance was granted.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
disgusted
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Date: January 23, 2012 04:03PM
Another continuance? What is the new date?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
April 23rd 2012
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Date: January 23, 2012 04:17PM
Lock up your daughter's in FC.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ComeOn
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Date: January 23, 2012 05:54PM
The text posted on Dec 23, 2011 by smashihisballswithahammer is from http://www.fcnp.com/news/10762-motion-for-dismissal-denied-in-gardner-case-.html. This article is titled
Motion for Dismissal Denied in Gardner Case
By FCNP.com
Wednesday, December 21 2011 06:06:46 PM
It includes the information "...the date for Gardner's trial was rescheduled from mid-January to the week of April 23, 2012."
I have not seen anything on the most recent DNA tests yet.
Motion for Dismissal Denied in Gardner Case
By FCNP.com
Wednesday, December 21 2011 06:06:46 PM
It includes the information "...the date for Gardner's trial was rescheduled from mid-January to the week of April 23, 2012."
I have not seen anything on the most recent DNA tests yet.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WSYN
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Date: January 26, 2012 06:32PM
The sperm found in the crotch and running down the left leg of the child's pajamas belonged to her father.
http://www.fcnp.com/news/10985-dna-report-in-gardner-case-father-cant-be-eliminated-as-major-source.html
http://www.fcnp.com/news/10985-dna-report-in-gardner-case-father-cant-be-eliminated-as-major-source.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned for the Kids
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Date: March 24, 2012 01:13AM
In addition to the 3/22 Falls Church New Press article re: yesterday's hearing, check out http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/198395/188/ONLY-ON-9-Parents-Sex-Abuse-Case-Speak-Out-.
Thank you WUSA9 and Peggy Fox for providing a counterpoint to local Falls Church "news" reporting and for bringing a spotlight to this case. In a small community like Falls Church, one-sided reporting can have a devastating impact on the parties not engaging the press. In such a sensitive (sex crime) and politically-charged situation, daily life can be impossibly difficult since so many people know the parties involved. There is enormous strain on victims, their families, and even the family of the defendant, as misinformation starts to become fact with everyone from school administrators to the parents of victims' friends, and character assassination of minor children and their parents is viewed as acceptable. This has been going on for too long; the Commonwealth cannot comment publicly regarding an ongoing prosecution, and the victims' parents have been asked not to speak to the press. The willingness of Ms. Fox to shed much-needed light on the local news reporting issue and some of the basic facts in this case is much appreciated. One can only hope that the defense's tactics are as distasteful to the jury as they are to some of the rest of us.
Thank you WUSA9 and Peggy Fox for providing a counterpoint to local Falls Church "news" reporting and for bringing a spotlight to this case. In a small community like Falls Church, one-sided reporting can have a devastating impact on the parties not engaging the press. In such a sensitive (sex crime) and politically-charged situation, daily life can be impossibly difficult since so many people know the parties involved. There is enormous strain on victims, their families, and even the family of the defendant, as misinformation starts to become fact with everyone from school administrators to the parents of victims' friends, and character assassination of minor children and their parents is viewed as acceptable. This has been going on for too long; the Commonwealth cannot comment publicly regarding an ongoing prosecution, and the victims' parents have been asked not to speak to the press. The willingness of Ms. Fox to shed much-needed light on the local news reporting issue and some of the basic facts in this case is much appreciated. One can only hope that the defense's tactics are as distasteful to the jury as they are to some of the rest of us.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned for the Kids
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Date: March 24, 2012 01:18AM
In addition to 3/22 Falls Church New Press article(s) on yesterday's hearing, see also http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/198395/188/ONLY-ON-9-Parents-Sex-Abuse-Case-Speak-Out-
Thank you WUSA9 and Peggy Fox for providing a counterpoint to local Falls Church "news" reporting and for bringing a spotlight to this case. In a small community like Falls Church, one-sided reporting can have a devastating impact on the parties not engaging the press. In such a sensitive (sex crime) and politically-charged situation, daily life can be impossibly difficult since so many people know the parties involved. There is enormous strain on victims, their families, and even the family of the defendant, as misinformation starts to become fact with everyone from school administrators to the parents of victims' friends, and character assassination of minor children and their parents is viewed as acceptable. This has been going on for too long; since the Commonwealth cannot comment publicly regarding an ongoing prosecution, and the families of the victims have been asked to sit tight, the willingness of Ms Fox to shed much-needed light on this issue and this case is much appreciated.
Thank you WUSA9 and Peggy Fox for providing a counterpoint to local Falls Church "news" reporting and for bringing a spotlight to this case. In a small community like Falls Church, one-sided reporting can have a devastating impact on the parties not engaging the press. In such a sensitive (sex crime) and politically-charged situation, daily life can be impossibly difficult since so many people know the parties involved. There is enormous strain on victims, their families, and even the family of the defendant, as misinformation starts to become fact with everyone from school administrators to the parents of victims' friends, and character assassination of minor children and their parents is viewed as acceptable. This has been going on for too long; since the Commonwealth cannot comment publicly regarding an ongoing prosecution, and the families of the victims have been asked to sit tight, the willingness of Ms Fox to shed much-needed light on this issue and this case is much appreciated.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
puthisballsonagasstove
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Date: March 29, 2012 12:33PM
ARLINGTON COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - Arlington County Circuit Court has released copies of the extensive DNA report in the molestation case against Michael Gardner. Gardner is a well-known Falls Church political activist who is married to city council member and former mayor Robin Gardner.
The DNA report, compiled by Cybergenetics of Pittsburgh, PA, ompares DNA profiles from Michael Gardner and from two pieces of clothing from two of the three alleged victims. The clothes are underpants from one girl and pajama pants from the other girl.
The report finds that a match between the underpants and Michael Gardner is "20.7 quadrillion times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian person."
Local DNA expert Thomas McClintock with DNA Diagnostics Inc., in Dunkirk, Md., explained that one in 20.7 quadrillion means "Gardner is the only person with that DNA on the planet" since the earth's population is only 7 billion.
The report also finds that a match between the pajama pants and Michael Gardner "is 3.86 thousand times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian person."
There is other DNA evidence that could help the defense. Gardner was found not to be a match to a few sperm found on the pajama pants. The prosecution is filing a motion to exclude that evidence saying that it's unrelated to the case. No semen was found on any of the girls.
A study in the Canadian Society of Forensic Science found that it's likely for sperm to be transferred from one clothing item to another in the washing machine. The article is cited in the U.S. Department of Justice's National Criminal Justice Reference Service. That may be the prosecution's explanation of the DNA evidence if it's allowed.
MORE: http://wusa9.com/news/article/198395/373/DNA-Report-Released-In-Falls-Church-Case-Parents-Speak-Out
The DNA report, compiled by Cybergenetics of Pittsburgh, PA, ompares DNA profiles from Michael Gardner and from two pieces of clothing from two of the three alleged victims. The clothes are underpants from one girl and pajama pants from the other girl.
The report finds that a match between the underpants and Michael Gardner is "20.7 quadrillion times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian person."
Local DNA expert Thomas McClintock with DNA Diagnostics Inc., in Dunkirk, Md., explained that one in 20.7 quadrillion means "Gardner is the only person with that DNA on the planet" since the earth's population is only 7 billion.
The report also finds that a match between the pajama pants and Michael Gardner "is 3.86 thousand times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian person."
There is other DNA evidence that could help the defense. Gardner was found not to be a match to a few sperm found on the pajama pants. The prosecution is filing a motion to exclude that evidence saying that it's unrelated to the case. No semen was found on any of the girls.
A study in the Canadian Society of Forensic Science found that it's likely for sperm to be transferred from one clothing item to another in the washing machine. The article is cited in the U.S. Department of Justice's National Criminal Justice Reference Service. That may be the prosecution's explanation of the DNA evidence if it's allowed.
MORE: http://wusa9.com/news/article/198395/373/DNA-Report-Released-In-Falls-Church-Case-Parents-Speak-Out
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
less than a week away
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Date: April 18, 2012 10:06AM
Trial starts on Monday. Guilty or Not Guilty?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Judge Wopner
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Date: April 18, 2012 11:42AM
less than a week away Wrote:
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> Trial starts on Monday. Guilty or Not Guilty?
Attachments:
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> Trial starts on Monday. Guilty or Not Guilty?
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: April 19, 2012 08:34AM
"20.7 quadrillion times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian person."
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
Guilty.
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
Guilty.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Trial Starts Today
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Date: April 24, 2012 10:45AM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Tar Heel
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Date: April 24, 2012 10:59AM
Interesting tidbit from the article that may shed light on what argument the defense might make:
"Before jury selection began, defense attorney Peter Greenspun requested of Judge Benjamin Kendrick that the jury be taken on a bus trip to the Gardner's home to see where the alleged crimes happened. Greenspun argued that the basement, scene of the second incident, is so dark, it's hard to believe the girls could have actually seen Gardner."
Are they going to allege a one armed mand broke into the home and committed the crimes?
"Before jury selection began, defense attorney Peter Greenspun requested of Judge Benjamin Kendrick that the jury be taken on a bus trip to the Gardner's home to see where the alleged crimes happened. Greenspun argued that the basement, scene of the second incident, is so dark, it's hard to believe the girls could have actually seen Gardner."
Are they going to allege a one armed mand broke into the home and committed the crimes?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
castratehimwithachainsaw
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Date: April 24, 2012 02:29PM
A 10-year-old girl walked into an Arlington County courtroom Tuesday holding a small toy and plastic sunglasses and wearing pink glitter shoes. The girl was the first witness called by prosecutors in the child sex case against well-known Falls Church community activist Michael Gardner.
She's one of three girls who accused him of sexually molesting them last summer during sleepovers at the Gardner's home. Gardner's wife is Falls Church city councilwoman and former mayor Robin Gardner.
The prosecution's first witness had to be boosted up in her seat as she took the witness stand. She put on pink, sparkly sunglasses as she settled in. when prosecutor Nicole Wittman asked, "Why are you wearing those?" the fifth-grader replied, "Because I'm a little nervous."
But the little girl confidently stood and pointed to Michael Gardner when she was asked to identify the man who allegedly "touched her girl parts" in the early morning hours of June 16, as she and five other girls attended a birthday slumber party for the Gardner's daughter.
The child testified the girls were sleeping in the basement when in the early morning hours she awakened as someone began unzipping her Sleeping Beauty sleeping bag. She testified that although it was dark, "I looked up to see who it was and it was Mr. Gardner."
She then described how Gardner allegedly reached beneath her pajamas and began touching her private parts.
Prosecutor Wittman asked, "What did you do?"
"I wasn't sure what to do so I acted like I was asleep," she replied.
The girl said Gardner then moved onto to another child, but came back to her a second time and touched her again. The 10-year-old said that the next morning, as the children played hide and seek, she confided to another girl that "her girl parts hurt." Later, after he mother picked up her, she told her the same thing. Police were called and the child was taken to the hospital for a sexual assault examination.
"Do you remember what happened at the hospital," asked Wittman. "No," replied the little girl.
Gardner is represented by prominent defense attorneys Peter Greenspun and Jonathan Shapiro. They will conduct their cross-examination Tuesday afternoon. Gardner faces four sex abuse charges.
In opening statements, prosecutor Alex Amato told jurors, "It's almost unimaginable except that it's true." She told jurors that along with witness testimony, DNA evidence will tie Gardner to the crimes.
But Gardner's defense team said he's innocent, imploring jurors to keep an open mind as they listen to testimony.
Said Greeenspun, "This is one of the most miserable experiences you'll ever have ... We all have to get over the horrible part of it," and listen to the evidence.
She's one of three girls who accused him of sexually molesting them last summer during sleepovers at the Gardner's home. Gardner's wife is Falls Church city councilwoman and former mayor Robin Gardner.
The prosecution's first witness had to be boosted up in her seat as she took the witness stand. She put on pink, sparkly sunglasses as she settled in. when prosecutor Nicole Wittman asked, "Why are you wearing those?" the fifth-grader replied, "Because I'm a little nervous."
But the little girl confidently stood and pointed to Michael Gardner when she was asked to identify the man who allegedly "touched her girl parts" in the early morning hours of June 16, as she and five other girls attended a birthday slumber party for the Gardner's daughter.
The child testified the girls were sleeping in the basement when in the early morning hours she awakened as someone began unzipping her Sleeping Beauty sleeping bag. She testified that although it was dark, "I looked up to see who it was and it was Mr. Gardner."
She then described how Gardner allegedly reached beneath her pajamas and began touching her private parts.
Prosecutor Wittman asked, "What did you do?"
"I wasn't sure what to do so I acted like I was asleep," she replied.
The girl said Gardner then moved onto to another child, but came back to her a second time and touched her again. The 10-year-old said that the next morning, as the children played hide and seek, she confided to another girl that "her girl parts hurt." Later, after he mother picked up her, she told her the same thing. Police were called and the child was taken to the hospital for a sexual assault examination.
"Do you remember what happened at the hospital," asked Wittman. "No," replied the little girl.
Gardner is represented by prominent defense attorneys Peter Greenspun and Jonathan Shapiro. They will conduct their cross-examination Tuesday afternoon. Gardner faces four sex abuse charges.
In opening statements, prosecutor Alex Amato told jurors, "It's almost unimaginable except that it's true." She told jurors that along with witness testimony, DNA evidence will tie Gardner to the crimes.
But Gardner's defense team said he's innocent, imploring jurors to keep an open mind as they listen to testimony.
Said Greeenspun, "This is one of the most miserable experiences you'll ever have ... We all have to get over the horrible part of it," and listen to the evidence.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 24, 2012 02:51PM
oh Jesus...........
little girl even having to even know that.......
I'm assuming there are like two to five Falls Church officers standing around mom and dad so they dont jump pedobear in the courtroom, right?
How the hell does that thought even go thru yr mind - to even get to the point that you'd even open the door into those kids's room? My head actually physically hurts even trying to process that series of events that this dude did...........or "allegedly" did if you still seriously think that this girl is lying.
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little girl even having to even know that.......
I'm assuming there are like two to five Falls Church officers standing around mom and dad so they dont jump pedobear in the courtroom, right?
How the hell does that thought even go thru yr mind - to even get to the point that you'd even open the door into those kids's room? My head actually physically hurts even trying to process that series of events that this dude did...........or "allegedly" did if you still seriously think that this girl is lying.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: April 24, 2012 07:15PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Trail - Day 2
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Date: April 25, 2012 04:24PM
This creep is getting sent away for a long time.
For a second day, the prosecution in the Michael Gardner sexual battery trial called a young witness to the stand to testify.
The 11-year-old witness said she was at the June 2011 slumber party for Gardner’s daughter and alleges she was touched in a sexual manner. The girl said she was asleep in the basement of Gardner’s home when, in the wee hours on June 19, she says Gardner fixed the comforter covering her, which awakened her. The girl testified that she thanked the man and she went back to sleep.
The girl alleged that Gardner returned to the basement, touched her vagina outside her pajamas then retreated upstairs before repeating the act a second time. The girl said Gardner then returned a third time to touch her but she rolled over and he fled to the opposite side of the room. She said he then returned a fourth time and allegedly touched her under her pajamas.
She said she was awake through all four of the alleged incidents, but remained frozen in confusion. During the fourth incident, she said she acted like she was awake and Gardner fled the basement.
“I didn’t want him touching me,” she said from the stand.
The girl said she tried calling out to Gardner’s daughter in whispers only to have the girl lift her head shortly and then she went back to sleep.
The next day the girl said she and the first witness talked. The first witness to testify in the case, who also alleges she was touched, asked if there was anything wrong with her private parts as well?
“I told her yes and it was Mr. Gardner who did it,” the girl said during her testimony Wednesday.
When her father picked her up from the Gardner’s home, the girl said she told her father who was instantly angered and drove the girl home to her mother before taking her to an already scheduled doctor’s appointment. The girl said she was examined and then taken to meet with City of Falls Church police to give a statement to detectives.
Gardner is accused of touching two girls in a sexual manner during a birthday sleepover for his daughter. They were 9 and 10 years old at the time. A third alleged victim, who was 10 years old at the time, has accused Gardner of touching her in a sexual manner in a separate incident. The third girl testified in July about the separate incident, which allegedly happened June 16.
Gardner's children and wife Robin Gardner are expected to take the stand during the trial. Robin Gardner is a current Falls Church councilwoman and former mayor of the city.
Gardner is out on a $50,000 bond.
For a second day, the prosecution in the Michael Gardner sexual battery trial called a young witness to the stand to testify.
The 11-year-old witness said she was at the June 2011 slumber party for Gardner’s daughter and alleges she was touched in a sexual manner. The girl said she was asleep in the basement of Gardner’s home when, in the wee hours on June 19, she says Gardner fixed the comforter covering her, which awakened her. The girl testified that she thanked the man and she went back to sleep.
The girl alleged that Gardner returned to the basement, touched her vagina outside her pajamas then retreated upstairs before repeating the act a second time. The girl said Gardner then returned a third time to touch her but she rolled over and he fled to the opposite side of the room. She said he then returned a fourth time and allegedly touched her under her pajamas.
She said she was awake through all four of the alleged incidents, but remained frozen in confusion. During the fourth incident, she said she acted like she was awake and Gardner fled the basement.
“I didn’t want him touching me,” she said from the stand.
The girl said she tried calling out to Gardner’s daughter in whispers only to have the girl lift her head shortly and then she went back to sleep.
The next day the girl said she and the first witness talked. The first witness to testify in the case, who also alleges she was touched, asked if there was anything wrong with her private parts as well?
“I told her yes and it was Mr. Gardner who did it,” the girl said during her testimony Wednesday.
When her father picked her up from the Gardner’s home, the girl said she told her father who was instantly angered and drove the girl home to her mother before taking her to an already scheduled doctor’s appointment. The girl said she was examined and then taken to meet with City of Falls Church police to give a statement to detectives.
Gardner is accused of touching two girls in a sexual manner during a birthday sleepover for his daughter. They were 9 and 10 years old at the time. A third alleged victim, who was 10 years old at the time, has accused Gardner of touching her in a sexual manner in a separate incident. The third girl testified in July about the separate incident, which allegedly happened June 16.
Gardner's children and wife Robin Gardner are expected to take the stand during the trial. Robin Gardner is a current Falls Church councilwoman and former mayor of the city.
Gardner is out on a $50,000 bond.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 26, 2012 07:02PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Concerned for the Kids
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Date: April 26, 2012 11:33PM
Ugly situation all around ... heard the defendant almost cried in the courtroom when Mr. Perlin's testimony re: the DNA statistics was allowed. Also heard Mr. Greenspun's drug dealing son (sorry - "alleged") was working for the defense, spying on victim's parents in the courtroom. Nice.
It's interesting how many people are supporting Robin Gardner, who left a bunch of little kids in a dark basement with no phone while she slept 2 floors above them. I doubt there was an opening to tell her what her husband did over eggs and waffles the next morning.
It's interesting how many people are supporting Robin Gardner, who left a bunch of little kids in a dark basement with no phone while she slept 2 floors above them. I doubt there was an opening to tell her what her husband did over eggs and waffles the next morning.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 26, 2012 11:38PM
DNA Expert Testifies in Gardner Molestation Trial
Scientist says Gardner's DNA matches samples taken from clothing worn by two young accusersBy Julie Carey | Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 | Updated 10:34 PM EDT
Prosecutors turned to a DNA expert as one of their final witnesses in their child sex abuse case against Michael Gardner on Thursday.
Gardner is a well-known Falls Church community and political activist whose wife is a councilwoman and former mayor of that city. He's accused of molesting three of his daughters' friends last June, one at a sleepover and two at a birthday slumber party the following night.
Dr. Mark Perlin, the chief scientist at the Pittsburgh-based Cybergenetics, analyzed DNA samples processed by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science. Using a highly technical presentation, he showed the jury how he matched Michael Gardner's DNA to DNA samples taken from clothing worn by two of the young accusers.
With DNA taken from one girl's underwear, Perlin found a match to Gardner is 20.7 quadrillion times more likely than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian.
And with DNA taken from another child's pajamas, he found a match to Gardner is 3,000 times more probable than a match to an unrelated Caucasian.
Prosecutors stopped short of asking if those findings mean no one but Gardner's could be the source of the DNA.
In cross-examination, defense attorney Peter Greenspun underscored the fact that Perlin was not asked to analyze another, unknown DNA profile that was also found on some of the girls' clothing. The state crime lab only sent samples from the two alleged victims and Gardner.
The prosecution also called its final witness, the last of the three alleged victims to testify. The 10-year-old girl said Gardner fondled her when she slept over with his daughter.
She said the two were sleeping on the bedroom floor when Gardner's daughter called for her father during a thunderstorm. The girl said that on a second visit to the bedroom, Gardner lay down between the two girls and repeatedly touched her stomach, chest and genitals.
In testimony that sometimes sounded rehearsed, the girl told prosecutor Nicole Wittman, "He sexually assaulted me."
The child said Gardner "asked me if it felt good and I told him, 'no'". After that, she said, he left the room.
She said she didn't tell her parents the next day because she was "scared and embarrassed." She also returned to the Gardner home the next night for the slumber party.
During a long cross-examination, Gardner's defense lawyers pointed out the girl didn't mention the incident until she became aware of the police investigation into the slumber party. It wasn't until the end of an interview with a Falls Church police detective five days after the sleepover that she reported being molested.
Asked Greenspun: "You were proud of yourself for helping police?"
"Yes," replied the 5th grader.
"You wanted to be included in what police were doing with the other girls?" he asked.
Again, the answer was "yes," Greenspun also spotlighted many inconsistencies in the way the girl has described what happened. She had testified that Gardner "sneaked his hand" beneath her pajamas to touch her.
But Greenspun challenged that, asking, "You were under the covers, weren't you?" The girl said yes.
Defense attorneys will begin calling their first witnesses tomorrow. They had also asked the judge for permission to take the jury to the Gardner's basement where the slumber party occurred during the night, so they could see the dark conditions for themselves. The judge rejected their request.
Scientist says Gardner's DNA matches samples taken from clothing worn by two young accusersBy Julie Carey | Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 | Updated 10:34 PM EDT
Prosecutors turned to a DNA expert as one of their final witnesses in their child sex abuse case against Michael Gardner on Thursday.
Gardner is a well-known Falls Church community and political activist whose wife is a councilwoman and former mayor of that city. He's accused of molesting three of his daughters' friends last June, one at a sleepover and two at a birthday slumber party the following night.
Dr. Mark Perlin, the chief scientist at the Pittsburgh-based Cybergenetics, analyzed DNA samples processed by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science. Using a highly technical presentation, he showed the jury how he matched Michael Gardner's DNA to DNA samples taken from clothing worn by two of the young accusers.
With DNA taken from one girl's underwear, Perlin found a match to Gardner is 20.7 quadrillion times more likely than a coincidental match to an unrelated Caucasian.
And with DNA taken from another child's pajamas, he found a match to Gardner is 3,000 times more probable than a match to an unrelated Caucasian.
Prosecutors stopped short of asking if those findings mean no one but Gardner's could be the source of the DNA.
In cross-examination, defense attorney Peter Greenspun underscored the fact that Perlin was not asked to analyze another, unknown DNA profile that was also found on some of the girls' clothing. The state crime lab only sent samples from the two alleged victims and Gardner.
The prosecution also called its final witness, the last of the three alleged victims to testify. The 10-year-old girl said Gardner fondled her when she slept over with his daughter.
She said the two were sleeping on the bedroom floor when Gardner's daughter called for her father during a thunderstorm. The girl said that on a second visit to the bedroom, Gardner lay down between the two girls and repeatedly touched her stomach, chest and genitals.
In testimony that sometimes sounded rehearsed, the girl told prosecutor Nicole Wittman, "He sexually assaulted me."
The child said Gardner "asked me if it felt good and I told him, 'no'". After that, she said, he left the room.
She said she didn't tell her parents the next day because she was "scared and embarrassed." She also returned to the Gardner home the next night for the slumber party.
During a long cross-examination, Gardner's defense lawyers pointed out the girl didn't mention the incident until she became aware of the police investigation into the slumber party. It wasn't until the end of an interview with a Falls Church police detective five days after the sleepover that she reported being molested.
Asked Greenspun: "You were proud of yourself for helping police?"
"Yes," replied the 5th grader.
"You wanted to be included in what police were doing with the other girls?" he asked.
Again, the answer was "yes," Greenspun also spotlighted many inconsistencies in the way the girl has described what happened. She had testified that Gardner "sneaked his hand" beneath her pajamas to touch her.
But Greenspun challenged that, asking, "You were under the covers, weren't you?" The girl said yes.
Defense attorneys will begin calling their first witnesses tomorrow. They had also asked the judge for permission to take the jury to the Gardner's basement where the slumber party occurred during the night, so they could see the dark conditions for themselves. The judge rejected their request.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 26, 2012 11:43PM
Sounds like this motion and 9 others were denied.
Greenspun Wants Expert’s Testimony Stricken
Expert testified in Gardner trial that the defendant’s DNA was present on tested sample.
By Andre L. Taylor Email the author 3:51 pm
The defense attorney in the sexual battery trial of Michael Gardner has asked that an expert's testimony be stricken.
Gardner's attorney Peter Greenspun made the request after Dr. Mark Perlin told the court that computerized data was first sent to Richmond before reaching his Pittsburgh office.
The data, results from tests performed on clothing worn by two alleged minor victims in the case, originated from the Virginia Department of Forensic Science's office in Manassas.
Perlin, chief scientist for the Pittsburgh-based Cybergenetics, testified that electronic data sent to his office was put through further computer testing that showed Michael Gardner's DNA represented 25 percent of a DNA mixture found in the underwear of one of his accusers. The girl's DNA matched the other 75 percent, Perlin said. Perlin said the DNA found on the second girl's pajama pants is 3,000 times more likely to belong to Gardner than anyone else.
Greenspun said he has an issue with the chain of command in the delivery of the data since it was not sent directly to Perlin from Kelly Loynes. Loynes, who testified Wednesday, is with the Virginia Department of Forensic Science.
Gardner is accused of touching the two girls in a sexual manner during the sleepover. They were 9 and 10 years old at the time. A third alleged victim, who was 10 years old at the time, has accused Gardner of touching her in a sexual manner in a separate incident. The third girl testified in July about the separate incident, which allegedly happened June 16.
Gardner's children and wife Robin Gardner are expected to take the stand during the trial. Robin Gardner is a current Falls Church councilwoman and former mayor of the city.
Gardner has posted $50,000 bond.
Greenspun Wants Expert’s Testimony Stricken
Expert testified in Gardner trial that the defendant’s DNA was present on tested sample.
By Andre L. Taylor Email the author 3:51 pm
The defense attorney in the sexual battery trial of Michael Gardner has asked that an expert's testimony be stricken.
Gardner's attorney Peter Greenspun made the request after Dr. Mark Perlin told the court that computerized data was first sent to Richmond before reaching his Pittsburgh office.
The data, results from tests performed on clothing worn by two alleged minor victims in the case, originated from the Virginia Department of Forensic Science's office in Manassas.
Perlin, chief scientist for the Pittsburgh-based Cybergenetics, testified that electronic data sent to his office was put through further computer testing that showed Michael Gardner's DNA represented 25 percent of a DNA mixture found in the underwear of one of his accusers. The girl's DNA matched the other 75 percent, Perlin said. Perlin said the DNA found on the second girl's pajama pants is 3,000 times more likely to belong to Gardner than anyone else.
Greenspun said he has an issue with the chain of command in the delivery of the data since it was not sent directly to Perlin from Kelly Loynes. Loynes, who testified Wednesday, is with the Virginia Department of Forensic Science.
Gardner is accused of touching the two girls in a sexual manner during the sleepover. They were 9 and 10 years old at the time. A third alleged victim, who was 10 years old at the time, has accused Gardner of touching her in a sexual manner in a separate incident. The third girl testified in July about the separate incident, which allegedly happened June 16.
Gardner's children and wife Robin Gardner are expected to take the stand during the trial. Robin Gardner is a current Falls Church councilwoman and former mayor of the city.
Gardner has posted $50,000 bond.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Gordon Blvd
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Date: April 27, 2012 09:04AM
geez...........it only costs 5k for him?
I guess he's not a flight risk and nobody cares in the city cares if he suicides, eh?
I guess he's not a flight risk and nobody cares in the city cares if he suicides, eh?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 27, 2012 10:16AM
Another interesting link that illustrates the problem with the Falls Church City News Press.
http://sea.hxr.us/2012/04/fcnp-on-michael-gardner.html?showComment=1335535835043#c2896462627450460333
http://sea.hxr.us/2012/04/fcnp-on-michael-gardner.html?showComment=1335535835043#c2896462627450460333
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Gordon Blvd
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Date: April 27, 2012 10:28AM
YO!!! THAT IS SOME FUCKED UP SHIT!!!!
cause when I saw the post on that article yesterday, I was like "WHOA, so maybe he's innocent!?!" until I started reading the story. And I had to do a cpl doubletakes, cause I couldnt make sense of what the DNA expert was saying in comparison to the headline of the paper............so it's kinda like the paper is like actively trying to make ppl think someone else is guilty to get some chi-mo free!?!?!
And that's kinda like telling the kid "fuck you, little girl you should have kept yr mouth shut and we dont care about you"......the kid's own city paper. Just wow........................
shit, I better stop thinking about this or I'm gonna end up down at that paper's office before the end of the day with a baseball bat..............just let the ppl of Falls Church handle this, Gordon...................
cause when I saw the post on that article yesterday, I was like "WHOA, so maybe he's innocent!?!" until I started reading the story. And I had to do a cpl doubletakes, cause I couldnt make sense of what the DNA expert was saying in comparison to the headline of the paper............so it's kinda like the paper is like actively trying to make ppl think someone else is guilty to get some chi-mo free!?!?!
And that's kinda like telling the kid "fuck you, little girl you should have kept yr mouth shut and we dont care about you"......the kid's own city paper. Just wow........................
shit, I better stop thinking about this or I'm gonna end up down at that paper's office before the end of the day with a baseball bat..............just let the ppl of Falls Church handle this, Gordon...................
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 27, 2012 02:46PM
Sorry, Gordon. You probably shouldn't look too closely at their past articles then. The amount of mis-information and out-and-out lies is just gross! I thought you were supposed to have at least some objectivity to be a "News" Press.
What sucks is that the families and Commonwealth weren't allowed to correct any untrue or misleading statements because of the ongoing investigation and upcoming trial. Nice of them to deliver it to their homes free of charge, too.
Don't know how these people sleep at night -- hopefully in a dark basement.
What sucks is that the families and Commonwealth weren't allowed to correct any untrue or misleading statements because of the ongoing investigation and upcoming trial. Nice of them to deliver it to their homes free of charge, too.
Don't know how these people sleep at night -- hopefully in a dark basement.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Yeah, he guilty
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Date: April 27, 2012 04:18PM
The delay in the search warrant execution and the fact they only found the wife's computer leads me to believe this sicko had some seriously disgusting shit on his computer and they 86ed it before the warrant was served. They had plenty of time and notice to do it.
Sonia Richardson of the Falls Church Police Department delayed three weeks in executing a search warrant of Michael Gardner’s home last summer after being told of “a possible conflict of interest,” she told an Arlington Circuit Court today.
The statement came as Gardner’s lawyers began presenting their defense of the Falls Church resident on four felony charges of aggravated sexual battery and penetration against three young girls who visited the home last June 16-18.
Asked by Gardner’s attorney, Peter Greenspun, who had ordered her to delay, Richardson responded that it came from a superior.
“She told me to hold up,“ Richardson said.
Richardson added that she was not told to stop investigating the case or not to send evidence for forensic testing.
Just after calling the defendant’s wife, Falls Church City Council member Robin Gardner, to the witness stand, defense attorney Peter Greenspun abruptly shifted course and called Richardson to testify. Robin Gardner is expected to appear as a defense witness in court this afternoon, and the couple’s twin children also appear on the defense’s witness list.
An eight-year employee of the Falls Church Police Department, Richardson testified that more than three weeks passed between Gardner’s arrest on June 22 and her seeking and obtaining a search warrant for the home on July 14, a delay she first explained as attributable to “logistics and manpower” matters.
Pressed further, Richardson stated that she delayed because “I hadn’t spoken to all the witnesses yet” and “because of the nature of the case, [its] being high profile, and [because] I wanted to represent everybody correctly.”
Richardson testified to finding no pornographic material in the laptop, thumb drive or cellular telephone that were among the four or five items she seized from the home last July. Greenspun had sought to establish that child molesters typically possess such material.
Greenspun’s first defense witness, Falls Church architect Jack Wilbern, testified earlier in the morning that he came to the home last Sunday to measure the basement and bedroom where the alleged attacks occurred and that he later produced scale drawings of them. He said that he had not charged Gardner for his measurements but hadn’t decided whether to charge for the drawings, which he said took several hours to complete. The drawings were displayed in court this morning.
In cross-examining Richardson, prosecutor Nicole Wittmann suggested the oddity of Robin Gardner’s laptop – the one seized by police – being the only computer found in the home, given, Wittman said, that Michael Gardner did business in the software industry and often traveled to Seattle on long business trips.
Sonia Richardson of the Falls Church Police Department delayed three weeks in executing a search warrant of Michael Gardner’s home last summer after being told of “a possible conflict of interest,” she told an Arlington Circuit Court today.
The statement came as Gardner’s lawyers began presenting their defense of the Falls Church resident on four felony charges of aggravated sexual battery and penetration against three young girls who visited the home last June 16-18.
Asked by Gardner’s attorney, Peter Greenspun, who had ordered her to delay, Richardson responded that it came from a superior.
“She told me to hold up,“ Richardson said.
Richardson added that she was not told to stop investigating the case or not to send evidence for forensic testing.
Just after calling the defendant’s wife, Falls Church City Council member Robin Gardner, to the witness stand, defense attorney Peter Greenspun abruptly shifted course and called Richardson to testify. Robin Gardner is expected to appear as a defense witness in court this afternoon, and the couple’s twin children also appear on the defense’s witness list.
An eight-year employee of the Falls Church Police Department, Richardson testified that more than three weeks passed between Gardner’s arrest on June 22 and her seeking and obtaining a search warrant for the home on July 14, a delay she first explained as attributable to “logistics and manpower” matters.
Pressed further, Richardson stated that she delayed because “I hadn’t spoken to all the witnesses yet” and “because of the nature of the case, [its] being high profile, and [because] I wanted to represent everybody correctly.”
Richardson testified to finding no pornographic material in the laptop, thumb drive or cellular telephone that were among the four or five items she seized from the home last July. Greenspun had sought to establish that child molesters typically possess such material.
Greenspun’s first defense witness, Falls Church architect Jack Wilbern, testified earlier in the morning that he came to the home last Sunday to measure the basement and bedroom where the alleged attacks occurred and that he later produced scale drawings of them. He said that he had not charged Gardner for his measurements but hadn’t decided whether to charge for the drawings, which he said took several hours to complete. The drawings were displayed in court this morning.
In cross-examining Richardson, prosecutor Nicole Wittmann suggested the oddity of Robin Gardner’s laptop – the one seized by police – being the only computer found in the home, given, Wittman said, that Michael Gardner did business in the software industry and often traveled to Seattle on long business trips.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 27, 2012 06:07PM
Wow - I am just finding out about this???!
!went to my Senior Prom with this guy. Back then - he was really cute, seemed nice. Fortunately for me we never had a "close" relationship. I am going to take a 5 hour shower. Just gross.
!went to my Senior Prom with this guy. Back then - he was really cute, seemed nice. Fortunately for me we never had a "close" relationship. I am going to take a 5 hour shower. Just gross.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 27, 2012 06:08PM
wow............"a superior". Chief o' the Falls Church PoPo says in court "hey little girl......yeah, maybe guys all over the world will jack off on cell phone video of Gardner fingering you, maybe not. It wasnt really that important to find out cause my boss said hold up on it........."
Hey, Richardson - next time some guy is trying to fuck a little girl in yr town, why dont you grow a pair and tell whoever's telling you to "hold up"to suck the shit out yr ass.
but Gordon........we didnt have enough ppl to think about getting pedo-bear's computer. THought never crossed our mind................Really? Really?
I mean, I know you "wanted to represent everybody correctly" ..........so maybe next time you will FUCKING THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE LITTLE GIRL CANT PROTECT HERSELF AS WELL AS SOME TOWN POLITICIAN, SO YOU PAY MORE ATTENTION TO HER!!!!!!
SIGNED,
GODD*MNED ASHAMED OF THE FALLS CHURCH POLICE DEPARTMENT!!
edit - later on, I find out more so kinda disregard this :)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2012 11:12AM by Gordon Blvd.
Hey, Richardson - next time some guy is trying to fuck a little girl in yr town, why dont you grow a pair and tell whoever's telling you to "hold up"to suck the shit out yr ass.
but Gordon........we didnt have enough ppl to think about getting pedo-bear's computer. THought never crossed our mind................Really? Really?
I mean, I know you "wanted to represent everybody correctly" ..........so maybe next time you will FUCKING THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE LITTLE GIRL CANT PROTECT HERSELF AS WELL AS SOME TOWN POLITICIAN, SO YOU PAY MORE ATTENTION TO HER!!!!!!
SIGNED,
GODD*MNED ASHAMED OF THE FALLS CHURCH POLICE DEPARTMENT!!
edit - later on, I find out more so kinda disregard this :)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2012 11:12AM by Gordon Blvd.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 27, 2012 10:03PM
Wife, Kids Testify in Gardner Sex Abuse Trial
Michael Gardner accused of molesting three of his daughter's friends during sleepoversBy Julie Carey | Friday, Apr 27, 2012 | Updated 8:51 PM EDT
Michael Gardner's wife and twin 10-year-olds all testified in his defense today as the Falls Church community and political activist fights child molestation charges.
Gardner is accused of sexually molesting three of his daughter's friends during two sleepovers in 2011.
Robin Gardner has stood by her husband since his June 22 arrest. The Falls Church city councilwoman and former mayor offered testimony that sometimes contradicted her husband's young accusers.
One child, now 10 years old, says Michael Gardner fondled her for about 45 minutes during a sleepover, as she lay next to his daughter on her bedroom floor. She says Gardner came to the room when his daughter was frightened by a thunderstorm and called out for her father.
But Robin Gardner says she was awake in her bedroom, right across the hall, when her husband went in to comfort the girls. She says both bedroom doors were open and that he returned in about 15 minutes.
The next night during a birthday slumber party in the basement, two girls say Michael Gardner came down several times during the early morning hours and molested them.
But Robin Gardner says he husband had been sick and turned in early that night. Describing herself as a light sleeper, she says she doesn't remember him stirring until the next morning.
Asked defense attorney Peter Greenspun, "From your observation, was there any indication the girls were upset or emotional?"
"No," she replied.
In cross examination, prosecutor Alex Amato suggested that Robin Gardner had tried to protect her husband from the beginning and failed to cooperate with police. She asked about the night a Falls Church police sergeant arrived at the Gardner home to tell them about the charges.
Asked prosecutor Amato, "Didn't you almost fall over?"
"I was upset; I don't faint," Robin Gardner said.
"Did they have to hold you up?" he asked.
"I was shaking due to the news,"she said.
"Isn't it true that as you were speaking to the sergeant, you husband emerged and told you to stop speaking?" he asked.
Gardner said she didn't recall.
The Gardners' twins also testified. Their son was not home during either alleged incident. Their daughter testified that she remembers her father laying beside her in her room during the thunderstorm, not between the two girls as the accuser testified.
She also says she does not remember anyone coming into the basement during the sleepover or waking during the night.
One of the young accusers says she called out to the Gardner's daughter after she was assaulted and recalls her waking briefly.
Defense testimony continues on Monday.
Michael Gardner accused of molesting three of his daughter's friends during sleepoversBy Julie Carey | Friday, Apr 27, 2012 | Updated 8:51 PM EDT
Michael Gardner's wife and twin 10-year-olds all testified in his defense today as the Falls Church community and political activist fights child molestation charges.
Gardner is accused of sexually molesting three of his daughter's friends during two sleepovers in 2011.
Robin Gardner has stood by her husband since his June 22 arrest. The Falls Church city councilwoman and former mayor offered testimony that sometimes contradicted her husband's young accusers.
One child, now 10 years old, says Michael Gardner fondled her for about 45 minutes during a sleepover, as she lay next to his daughter on her bedroom floor. She says Gardner came to the room when his daughter was frightened by a thunderstorm and called out for her father.
But Robin Gardner says she was awake in her bedroom, right across the hall, when her husband went in to comfort the girls. She says both bedroom doors were open and that he returned in about 15 minutes.
The next night during a birthday slumber party in the basement, two girls say Michael Gardner came down several times during the early morning hours and molested them.
But Robin Gardner says he husband had been sick and turned in early that night. Describing herself as a light sleeper, she says she doesn't remember him stirring until the next morning.
Asked defense attorney Peter Greenspun, "From your observation, was there any indication the girls were upset or emotional?"
"No," she replied.
In cross examination, prosecutor Alex Amato suggested that Robin Gardner had tried to protect her husband from the beginning and failed to cooperate with police. She asked about the night a Falls Church police sergeant arrived at the Gardner home to tell them about the charges.
Asked prosecutor Amato, "Didn't you almost fall over?"
"I was upset; I don't faint," Robin Gardner said.
"Did they have to hold you up?" he asked.
"I was shaking due to the news,"she said.
"Isn't it true that as you were speaking to the sergeant, you husband emerged and told you to stop speaking?" he asked.
Gardner said she didn't recall.
The Gardners' twins also testified. Their son was not home during either alleged incident. Their daughter testified that she remembers her father laying beside her in her room during the thunderstorm, not between the two girls as the accuser testified.
She also says she does not remember anyone coming into the basement during the sleepover or waking during the night.
One of the young accusers says she called out to the Gardner's daughter after she was assaulted and recalls her waking briefly.
Defense testimony continues on Monday.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Anonymous Fairfax
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Date: April 27, 2012 10:11PM
Hmmm ... stonewalling, covering-up, and "I don't recall." Classic politician, hopefully her swan song. The people of Falls Church should demand her resignation and run the FC News Press out of town. Is it wrong to be repulsed by these people?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: April 27, 2012 10:16PM
Yeah, her husband was sick alright. Still is, since research indicates sexual predators can't be cured. Maybe VA will select a correctional facility close by so she doesn't have to drive too far to visit. Shame on her, even if she is in denial.
Rwake the fuck up city of falls chruch
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Gordon Blvd
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Date: April 28, 2012 07:49AM
Good Morning Falls Church here's your reality breakfast: you've elected a woman who gonna tell you to your face your kids are lying about being sex assaulted, and that she's more in tune with the chi-mo's THAN YOUR OWN FUCKING CHILDREN!!
Robin Gardner has stood by her husband since his June 22 arrest. The Falls Church city councilwoman and former mayor offered testimony that sometimes contradicted her husband's young accusers.
then there's this bullshit:
But Robin Gardner says she was awake in her bedroom, right across the hall, when her husband went in to comfort the girls. She says both bedroom doors were open and that he returned in about 15 minutes.
translation: Falls Church Councilwoman Robin Gardener is cool with lying in bed while she knows her husband is spending over 10-some minutes in their daughter's room during a girls sleepover. And that's just coming form her b.s testimony cause you know it was longer, since she's been covering up for Dateline bait thru all this, and prolly even before...... FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS KIDS WHO HAVE BEEN NEAR THIS GUY, YOU BETTER RECOGNIZE THAT THIS AINT THE FIRST TIME, AND EVEN YOUR OWN KIDS MAY NOT EVEN KNOW SUBTLE CRAP HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO THEM OVER THE YEARS
is there any way she can be kicked off the council for this?
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Robin Gardner has stood by her husband since his June 22 arrest. The Falls Church city councilwoman and former mayor offered testimony that sometimes contradicted her husband's young accusers.
then there's this bullshit:
But Robin Gardner says she was awake in her bedroom, right across the hall, when her husband went in to comfort the girls. She says both bedroom doors were open and that he returned in about 15 minutes.
translation: Falls Church Councilwoman Robin Gardener is cool with lying in bed while she knows her husband is spending over 10-some minutes in their daughter's room during a girls sleepover. And that's just coming form her b.s testimony cause you know it was longer, since she's been covering up for Dateline bait thru all this, and prolly even before...... FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS KIDS WHO HAVE BEEN NEAR THIS GUY, YOU BETTER RECOGNIZE THAT THIS AINT THE FIRST TIME, AND EVEN YOUR OWN KIDS MAY NOT EVEN KNOW SUBTLE CRAP HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO THEM OVER THE YEARS
is there any way she can be kicked off the council for this?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2012 07:55AM by Gordon Blvd.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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hmm..
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Date: April 28, 2012 06:38PM
Concerned for the Kids Wrote:
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> Ugly situation all around ... heard the defendant
> almost cried in the courtroom when Mr. Perlin's
> testimony re: the DNA statistics was allowed.
> Also heard Mr. Greenspun's drug dealing son (sorry
> - "alleged") was working for the defense, spying
> on victim's parents in the courtroom. Nice.
>
> It's interesting how many people are supporting
> Robin Gardner, who left a bunch of little kids in
> a dark basement with no phone while she slept 2
> floors above them. I doubt there was an opening
> to tell her what her husband did over eggs and
> waffles the next morning.
I know his son works for his firm.. so it would make sense that he is working for the defense, as that is his job. I'm curious as to what "spying on the victims' parents" means, though. And how you know about this. Please explain.. was he getting information from them?
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> Ugly situation all around ... heard the defendant
> almost cried in the courtroom when Mr. Perlin's
> testimony re: the DNA statistics was allowed.
> Also heard Mr. Greenspun's drug dealing son (sorry
> - "alleged") was working for the defense, spying
> on victim's parents in the courtroom. Nice.
>
> It's interesting how many people are supporting
> Robin Gardner, who left a bunch of little kids in
> a dark basement with no phone while she slept 2
> floors above them. I doubt there was an opening
> to tell her what her husband did over eggs and
> waffles the next morning.
I know his son works for his firm.. so it would make sense that he is working for the defense, as that is his job. I'm curious as to what "spying on the victims' parents" means, though. And how you know about this. Please explain.. was he getting information from them?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Concerned for the Kids
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Date: April 30, 2012 12:51PM
Good to know his son works for his firm. There are numerous people in the courtroom every day that have noticed his seating directly behind the parents throughout the trial. Don't know what they're looking for, but they reportedly have someone watching the hall outside the courtroom as well. I don't know -- is this a common tactic for these types of trials?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bruce Variety
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Date: April 30, 2012 04:58PM
But then there is still the DNA questions. How did his get on the girls underwear? So wierd.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47233904/ns/local_news-washington_dc/#.T577wVJQAtU
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47233904/ns/local_news-washington_dc/#.T577wVJQAtU
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Office Worker
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Date: April 30, 2012 05:11PM
He looks like Dwight Schrute.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
head scratcher
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Date: April 30, 2012 05:28PM
Bruce Variety Wrote:
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> But then there is still the DNA questions. How did
> his get on the girls underwear? So wierd.
>
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47233904/ns/local_news
> -washington_dc/#.T577wVJQAtU
Just as importantly, IMHO, is why was there =sperm= (not just "DNA" which we have yet to find came from what part of the defendant - no one has yet said it was semen/sperm) on that same underwear that was not his and why did the police discount it as irrelevant?
Frankly, something smells about this case from what little I've read. It looks to me like the key witnesses were "contaminated", either by conversations with their friends, with their parents, or with the the police themselves. From what I've read (very little, admittedly - only this thread and a couple links) there is no way I'd say "beyond a reasonable doubt" at this point in time.
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> But then there is still the DNA questions. How did
> his get on the girls underwear? So wierd.
>
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47233904/ns/local_news
> -washington_dc/#.T577wVJQAtU
Just as importantly, IMHO, is why was there =sperm= (not just "DNA" which we have yet to find came from what part of the defendant - no one has yet said it was semen/sperm) on that same underwear that was not his and why did the police discount it as irrelevant?
Frankly, something smells about this case from what little I've read. It looks to me like the key witnesses were "contaminated", either by conversations with their friends, with their parents, or with the the police themselves. From what I've read (very little, admittedly - only this thread and a couple links) there is no way I'd say "beyond a reasonable doubt" at this point in time.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Court Watcher
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Date: April 30, 2012 06:36PM
Lots of information has not made it to press accounts, but the majority has been provided to the jury. The "beyond a reasonable doubt" judgment will be made by the jurors. Let's wait to see what those with the most informed perspective have to say.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Will be over soon.
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Date: April 30, 2012 07:04PM
As to why the sperm was irrelevant.
From WUSA9:
The DNA report also found sperm on one of the girl's pajama pants. The sperm is not Gardner's but the girl's father's. No semen was found, and there is no allegation of abuse by the father. A previous judge ruled the defense cannot allege any sexual abuse by that father.
But, how the sperm got there may be an important question during the trial. The father of that girl says a DNA expert has and will explain for the jury that if clothes soiled with semen are washed with other clothes, while the semen may wash away, dozens if not hundreds of microscopic sperm are distributed in the wash and cling to all the clothes. "It's in the wash, that's all it is," he said. A Canadian study on the matter is referenced in the NCJRS.
From WUSA9:
The DNA report also found sperm on one of the girl's pajama pants. The sperm is not Gardner's but the girl's father's. No semen was found, and there is no allegation of abuse by the father. A previous judge ruled the defense cannot allege any sexual abuse by that father.
But, how the sperm got there may be an important question during the trial. The father of that girl says a DNA expert has and will explain for the jury that if clothes soiled with semen are washed with other clothes, while the semen may wash away, dozens if not hundreds of microscopic sperm are distributed in the wash and cling to all the clothes. "It's in the wash, that's all it is," he said. A Canadian study on the matter is referenced in the NCJRS.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmm..
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Date: April 30, 2012 09:22PM
Concerned for the Kids Wrote:
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> Good to know his son works for his firm. There
> are numerous people in the courtroom every day
> that have noticed his seating directly behind the
> parents throughout the trial. Don't know what
> they're looking for, but they reportedly have
> someone watching the hall outside the courtroom as
> well. I don't know -- is this a common tactic for
> these types of trials?
in all honesty i was in the courtroom and witnessed this. i saw him behind the parents, and i saw the parents make some sort of comment to him, not sure what it was. it looked like he introduced himself to them, but again, i could not hear. the prosecutor said something to him after recess and he moved with no issue, and he has not been near them once since. I have been there every day watching. ive actually talked to him a couple of times, seems like a nice kid, but our conversations were short. i dont think there is any tactic, i think this is just an example of people grasping for straws.
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> Good to know his son works for his firm. There
> are numerous people in the courtroom every day
> that have noticed his seating directly behind the
> parents throughout the trial. Don't know what
> they're looking for, but they reportedly have
> someone watching the hall outside the courtroom as
> well. I don't know -- is this a common tactic for
> these types of trials?
in all honesty i was in the courtroom and witnessed this. i saw him behind the parents, and i saw the parents make some sort of comment to him, not sure what it was. it looked like he introduced himself to them, but again, i could not hear. the prosecutor said something to him after recess and he moved with no issue, and he has not been near them once since. I have been there every day watching. ive actually talked to him a couple of times, seems like a nice kid, but our conversations were short. i dont think there is any tactic, i think this is just an example of people grasping for straws.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
johnee
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Date: April 30, 2012 09:24PM
Court Watcher Wrote:
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> Lots of information has not made it to press
> accounts, but the majority has been provided to
> the jury. The "beyond a reasonable doubt"
> judgment will be made by the jurors. Let's wait
> to see what those with the most informed
> perspective have to say.
im assuming you have been in the courtroom, what do YOU think. has the defense shown reasonable doubt?
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> Lots of information has not made it to press
> accounts, but the majority has been provided to
> the jury. The "beyond a reasonable doubt"
> judgment will be made by the jurors. Let's wait
> to see what those with the most informed
> perspective have to say.
im assuming you have been in the courtroom, what do YOU think. has the defense shown reasonable doubt?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmm..
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Date: April 30, 2012 10:54PM
johnee Wrote:
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> Court Watcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lots of information has not made it to press
> > accounts, but the majority has been provided to
> > the jury. The "beyond a reasonable doubt"
> > judgment will be made by the jurors. Let's
> wait
> > to see what those with the most informed
> > perspective have to say.
>
> im assuming you have been in the courtroom, what
> do YOU think. has the defense shown reasonable
> doubt?
Just my personal views from watching jurors, I think they are really insulted and pissed at the defense and they don't find Gardner credible.
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> Court Watcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lots of information has not made it to press
> > accounts, but the majority has been provided to
> > the jury. The "beyond a reasonable doubt"
> > judgment will be made by the jurors. Let's
> wait
> > to see what those with the most informed
> > perspective have to say.
>
> im assuming you have been in the courtroom, what
> do YOU think. has the defense shown reasonable
> doubt?
Just my personal views from watching jurors, I think they are really insulted and pissed at the defense and they don't find Gardner credible.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 01, 2012 07:54AM
hopefully that is true, hmmmm. imagine if Falls Church has one of those NYC juries. Have y'all heard about that - woman gets raped, has the guts to go to trial and then this shit happens
http://gothamist.com/2012/03/31/gunpoint_rape_cop_jurors_dismissed.php
I pray to God that the ppl of Falls Church have more common fucking sense then the scum they put on the juries in NYC..........
http://gothamist.com/2012/03/31/gunpoint_rape_cop_jurors_dismissed.php
I pray to God that the ppl of Falls Church have more common fucking sense then the scum they put on the juries in NYC..........
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: May 01, 2012 09:34AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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head scratcher
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Date: May 01, 2012 10:01AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> ...they are going to have to disregard the testimony of these
> young girls...
Based on what I've read (as previously noted, not that much), I easily could ignore the 2nd and third girls' testimonies and, due to the comical show the prosecution used put on with the first girl's testimony, I would have serious doubts about the first girl's testimony. But that's only based on the little I've read, not on what has actually transpired in the courtroom.
> ...also ignore the fact that the accused apparently blew a load of cum in a
> childs panties...
I haven't read THAT at all - instead, what I've read is the father's sperm was present in his child's panties and "DNA" from the defendant was present on/in a child's panties (and other clothes?). There wasn't anything I've read that said the "DNA" was in the form of semen and/or sperm.
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> ...they are going to have to disregard the testimony of these
> young girls...
Based on what I've read (as previously noted, not that much), I easily could ignore the 2nd and third girls' testimonies and, due to the comical show the prosecution used put on with the first girl's testimony, I would have serious doubts about the first girl's testimony. But that's only based on the little I've read, not on what has actually transpired in the courtroom.
> ...also ignore the fact that the accused apparently blew a load of cum in a
> childs panties...
I haven't read THAT at all - instead, what I've read is the father's sperm was present in his child's panties and "DNA" from the defendant was present on/in a child's panties (and other clothes?). There wasn't anything I've read that said the "DNA" was in the form of semen and/or sperm.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 01, 2012 10:05AM
head scratcher Wrote:
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> Based on what I've read (as previously noted, not
> that much), I easily could ignore the 2nd and
> third girls' testimonies and, due to the comical
> show the prosecution used put on with the first
> girl's testimony, I would have serious doubts
> about the first girl's testimony. But that's only
> based on the little I've read, not on what has
> actually transpired in the courtroom.
Comical?
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> Based on what I've read (as previously noted, not
> that much), I easily could ignore the 2nd and
> third girls' testimonies and, due to the comical
> show the prosecution used put on with the first
> girl's testimony, I would have serious doubts
> about the first girl's testimony. But that's only
> based on the little I've read, not on what has
> actually transpired in the courtroom.
Comical?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
May Day
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Date: May 01, 2012 10:18AM
Big day for Falls Church. It is interesting that the election to fill Robin Gardner's seat is the same day this goes to trial.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 01, 2012 10:28AM
@MayDay - what'll be interesting is if she gets re-elected or not. May tell us a LOT about what's really going on in the minds of the good ppl of Falls Church
@Wingnut - only comical if yr idea of funny is sperm in a little girl's panties.
@headscrather - you gotta read more cause yr not getting the whole story at all, yo - not if yr only reading that city ppl of yrs. Read this whole thread then think about what that paper is doing to yr head - cause it made my head scratch a little too. :(
@Wingnut - only comical if yr idea of funny is sperm in a little girl's panties.
@headscrather - you gotta read more cause yr not getting the whole story at all, yo - not if yr only reading that city ppl of yrs. Read this whole thread then think about what that paper is doing to yr head - cause it made my head scratch a little too. :(
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
May Day
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Date: May 01, 2012 10:56AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @MayDay - what'll be interesting is if she gets
> re-elected or not. May tell us a LOT about what's
> really going on in the minds of the good ppl of
> Falls Church
She isn't on the ballot. No matter how liberal our city is, I don't think she would have stood a chance given the allegations against her husband. Following the arrest, she missed a ton of city cocuncil meetings. Besides, her grasp on the council was broken in the last election. People didn't and shouldn't respond well to the Michael Gardner and Nick Benton attempted takeover of the city.
I believe he should and will be found guilty. My money is on the jury returning a verdict as early as today. I also assume a civil trial will ensue regardless of the outcome.
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> @MayDay - what'll be interesting is if she gets
> re-elected or not. May tell us a LOT about what's
> really going on in the minds of the good ppl of
> Falls Church
She isn't on the ballot. No matter how liberal our city is, I don't think she would have stood a chance given the allegations against her husband. Following the arrest, she missed a ton of city cocuncil meetings. Besides, her grasp on the council was broken in the last election. People didn't and shouldn't respond well to the Michael Gardner and Nick Benton attempted takeover of the city.
I believe he should and will be found guilty. My money is on the jury returning a verdict as early as today. I also assume a civil trial will ensue regardless of the outcome.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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The Jury is Out
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Date: May 01, 2012 03:15PM
With Closing Arguments Made, Gardner Case Goes to the Jury
By Hillel Kuttler
Tuesday, May 01 2012 11:03:32 AM
An Arlington Circuit Court jury will begin deliberating at approximately 3 p.m. this afternoon over the fate of Falls Church resident Michael Gardner on charges of sexually molesting and assaulting three girls who visited his home last June.
Just before 1:30 p.m., a court official randomly selected the names of two of the 14-member panel of jurors and alternate jurors. The two people – one man and one woman – were thanked by Judge Benjamin Kendrick for their service and attentiveness, and then dismissed. The final jury that will pronounce Gardner guilty or not guilty consists of eight women and four men.
Their first order of business following an hour-long lunch break will be to select a foreman who will guide the deliberations and inform the court of the jury's verdict.
Prosecutor Nicole Wittmann and defense attorney Peter Greenspun each spent more than one hour this morning and early afternoon delivering closing arguments, consisting of summarizing their own cases, hammering away at the weaknesses of their counterpart's case and urging their sought-for verdicts. The two at various times made their points while grasping before the jury some of the evidence already presented during the case, including pajamas, underpants, a nightgown and sleeping bag belonging to the girls.
Wittmann's and Greenspun's arguments occurred before a packed courtroom that included five of the complainants' six parents; Gardner's wife, Robin, a member of the Falls Church city council; neighbors and friends on both sides; and curious court employees. Several people who had testified during the trial also attended, including Falls Church Police Department detective Sonia Richardson, the lead investigator on the case, who had been called to the stand more often than any other witness.
Gardner, sitting at the defense table across the room from the jury, wore a charcoal-colored suit and donned eyeglasses for the first time since the trial began on April 23.
Wittmann called on the jury to confine its deliberations to the facts presented at trial, resting her case on the twin pillars of the testimony of witnesses – primarily, the three girls Gardner allegedly assaulted during overnight visits to his daughter last June 16 and June 18 – and the DNA evidence collected from the undergarments of two of the girls. The testimony and evidence, which Wittmann called "loud and clear," justify conviction on all three charges of aggravated sexual battery and one charge of sexual penetration for which Gardner was indicted, she said.
Wittmann several times called the defense's presentation "nonsense" in various forms, and one based on speculation rather than on facts.
Greenspun told the jury that Wittmann had presented a "skilled and compelling argument," but one that was "wrong because Michael Gardner did not commit these crimes."
Several times, Greenspun mocked the prosecution's overall case and selected tactics as signs of "desperation" and of "smoke and mirrors" to obtain a conviction. He also repeatedly de-emphasized the value of the DNA evidence linking Gardner to the girls' garments because, he said, a visitor to someone's house would necessarily be "swimming" in the host's "DNA pool."
Gardner exhibited "courage" and "moxie" in deciding to testify yesterday in his own defense, Greenspun stated.
In her rebuttal near the end of today's session, Wittmann attacked Greenspun's "swimming ... pool" defense, arguing that forensic analysis of the girl's garments neither found the DNA of another male who then resided in the Gardner home nor the girls' DNA on each other.
"If, in fact, all these girls were swimming in the DNA pool, you'd expect to see different facts" emerge, she said.
"The DNA [evidence] is extremely convincing ... "What does that mean? That it's him," Wittmann said, referring to Gardner.
"What happened in the Gardner home these two days is unimaginable – except for the fact that all the [evidence] tells you that it is true," Wittmann concluded.
"Now it's in your hands," Greenspun told the jury at the end of his summation, comparing the trial's presentation to sponges that the jury now has to wring out while deliberating. "At the end, ladies and gentlemen, after you stop wringing it out ... you'll let Mr. Gardner go home with his family."
By Hillel Kuttler
Tuesday, May 01 2012 11:03:32 AM
An Arlington Circuit Court jury will begin deliberating at approximately 3 p.m. this afternoon over the fate of Falls Church resident Michael Gardner on charges of sexually molesting and assaulting three girls who visited his home last June.
Just before 1:30 p.m., a court official randomly selected the names of two of the 14-member panel of jurors and alternate jurors. The two people – one man and one woman – were thanked by Judge Benjamin Kendrick for their service and attentiveness, and then dismissed. The final jury that will pronounce Gardner guilty or not guilty consists of eight women and four men.
Their first order of business following an hour-long lunch break will be to select a foreman who will guide the deliberations and inform the court of the jury's verdict.
Prosecutor Nicole Wittmann and defense attorney Peter Greenspun each spent more than one hour this morning and early afternoon delivering closing arguments, consisting of summarizing their own cases, hammering away at the weaknesses of their counterpart's case and urging their sought-for verdicts. The two at various times made their points while grasping before the jury some of the evidence already presented during the case, including pajamas, underpants, a nightgown and sleeping bag belonging to the girls.
Wittmann's and Greenspun's arguments occurred before a packed courtroom that included five of the complainants' six parents; Gardner's wife, Robin, a member of the Falls Church city council; neighbors and friends on both sides; and curious court employees. Several people who had testified during the trial also attended, including Falls Church Police Department detective Sonia Richardson, the lead investigator on the case, who had been called to the stand more often than any other witness.
Gardner, sitting at the defense table across the room from the jury, wore a charcoal-colored suit and donned eyeglasses for the first time since the trial began on April 23.
Wittmann called on the jury to confine its deliberations to the facts presented at trial, resting her case on the twin pillars of the testimony of witnesses – primarily, the three girls Gardner allegedly assaulted during overnight visits to his daughter last June 16 and June 18 – and the DNA evidence collected from the undergarments of two of the girls. The testimony and evidence, which Wittmann called "loud and clear," justify conviction on all three charges of aggravated sexual battery and one charge of sexual penetration for which Gardner was indicted, she said.
Wittmann several times called the defense's presentation "nonsense" in various forms, and one based on speculation rather than on facts.
Greenspun told the jury that Wittmann had presented a "skilled and compelling argument," but one that was "wrong because Michael Gardner did not commit these crimes."
Several times, Greenspun mocked the prosecution's overall case and selected tactics as signs of "desperation" and of "smoke and mirrors" to obtain a conviction. He also repeatedly de-emphasized the value of the DNA evidence linking Gardner to the girls' garments because, he said, a visitor to someone's house would necessarily be "swimming" in the host's "DNA pool."
Gardner exhibited "courage" and "moxie" in deciding to testify yesterday in his own defense, Greenspun stated.
In her rebuttal near the end of today's session, Wittmann attacked Greenspun's "swimming ... pool" defense, arguing that forensic analysis of the girl's garments neither found the DNA of another male who then resided in the Gardner home nor the girls' DNA on each other.
"If, in fact, all these girls were swimming in the DNA pool, you'd expect to see different facts" emerge, she said.
"The DNA [evidence] is extremely convincing ... "What does that mean? That it's him," Wittmann said, referring to Gardner.
"What happened in the Gardner home these two days is unimaginable – except for the fact that all the [evidence] tells you that it is true," Wittmann concluded.
"Now it's in your hands," Greenspun told the jury at the end of his summation, comparing the trial's presentation to sponges that the jury now has to wring out while deliberating. "At the end, ladies and gentlemen, after you stop wringing it out ... you'll let Mr. Gardner go home with his family."
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
odds
()
Date: May 01, 2012 03:44PM
So, jury got the case at 3 pm. Any bets on when they return a verdict and what it will be?
Here is my prediction:
Tomorrow, at 11:30 am
Guilty.
Here is my prediction:
Tomorrow, at 11:30 am
Guilty.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: May 01, 2012 04:08PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 01, 2012 04:35PM
I hope he's read that, wingnut...........
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: May 01, 2012 04:42PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
this is just hillarious
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Date: May 01, 2012 05:46PM
if it was just men on the city council, then there wouldn't be any stupid husbands to be retarded like this. troll logic is logical
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Will be over soon
()
Date: May 01, 2012 09:16PM
Wingnut you're prediction is off on the length of time. Three of the charges are one to twenty years and the penetration charge is from 5yrs to life. So minimum he is looking at 8yrs if convicted on all 4 counts and life plus 60 yrs would be the maximum. Also here is an FYI. Virginia abolished parole for convicted criminals in 1995 so whatever the final sentence is, that is how long he will serve.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: May 02, 2012 07:10AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Will be over soon
()
Date: May 02, 2012 08:08AM
One of Judge Kendrick nick names is "Maximum Benny". Whatever the jury decides, he will most likely go along with it. Here is an old article about him that is interesting:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/1997-09-25/news/18054878_1_kendrick-rocket-docket-defense-lawyer
http://articles.nydailynews.com/1997-09-25/news/18054878_1_kendrick-rocket-docket-defense-lawyer
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 02, 2012 08:28AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
BREAKING NEWS!!!
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Date: May 02, 2012 12:09PM
Jurors have reached a verdict on 3 charges and are deadlocked on the fourth.
No word on whether the agreed upon verdicts are guilty or not guilty.
I say they have found him guilty on the three lesser charges (sexual battery) and they are deadlocked on the penetration charge.
It'll shake out something like this. The jurors all believe there is enough evidence to support a verdict of guilty on the battery charges. Most of the jurors (believing he is guilty of those charges) are more than willing to tack on the penetration charge even with a lack of clear and convincing evidence. I'd do the same as any sentence is too short for this sick fuck. That being said, there are a couple of sticklers on the jury that demand clear and convincing evidence.
Guilty on the first 3, hung on the fourth. 1-60 year sentence potential. He will get sentenced to 6 years.
Any other predictions?
No word on whether the agreed upon verdicts are guilty or not guilty.
I say they have found him guilty on the three lesser charges (sexual battery) and they are deadlocked on the penetration charge.
It'll shake out something like this. The jurors all believe there is enough evidence to support a verdict of guilty on the battery charges. Most of the jurors (believing he is guilty of those charges) are more than willing to tack on the penetration charge even with a lack of clear and convincing evidence. I'd do the same as any sentence is too short for this sick fuck. That being said, there are a couple of sticklers on the jury that demand clear and convincing evidence.
Guilty on the first 3, hung on the fourth. 1-60 year sentence potential. He will get sentenced to 6 years.
Any other predictions?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WUSA is reporting the same....
()
Date: May 02, 2012 12:26PM
I think the above poster has it spot on.
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA) - Breaking news from the Michael Gardner child molestation trial. The jury has reached a verdict on three of the four counts.
The Falls Church businessman is accused of molesting three young girls who attended a sleep-over and his daughter's slumber party last June.
There is DNA evidence from the two girls who attended slumber party, with three charges connected to them. The third girl who was at the the sleep-over did not have her clothes tested since she came forward later.
The judge has requested that the jury continue to deliberate. You can follow Peggy Fox's tweets on the trial at PeggyTV and she'll have the latest on 9 News Now starting at 5 o'clock.
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA) - Breaking news from the Michael Gardner child molestation trial. The jury has reached a verdict on three of the four counts.
The Falls Church businessman is accused of molesting three young girls who attended a sleep-over and his daughter's slumber party last June.
There is DNA evidence from the two girls who attended slumber party, with three charges connected to them. The third girl who was at the the sleep-over did not have her clothes tested since she came forward later.
The judge has requested that the jury continue to deliberate. You can follow Peggy Fox's tweets on the trial at PeggyTV and she'll have the latest on 9 News Now starting at 5 o'clock.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
castrate him
()
Date: May 02, 2012 12:33PM
Looks like Gardner and his attorney know he is going into lockup. It is probably the minority view to find him not guilty on the fourth charge. I bet those jurors cave by 3:30 and he is found guilty on all four counts.
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From the Falls Church News Press:
An Arlington Circuit Court jury reached unanimous verdicts this morning on three charges against Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, but was ordered to continue deliberating on the fourth charge before releasing any verdicts.
The jury had deliberated just under four and a half hours – two and a half hours yesterday afternoon and less than two hours this morning – before passing on this written message to Judge Benjamin Kendrick at 11:20 a.m.: "We have reached a unanimous verdict on three of the four counts. We have not reached a unanimous verdict on the fourth count. What do we do?"
Kendrick suggested to prosecutor Nicole Wittman and defense attorney Peter Greenspun that the jury be allowed to announce the three verdicts, be read the Allen charge – instructing jurors holding a minority view to reconsider its positions – and return to decide the fourth count.
Wittmann agreed to the suggestion, while Greenspun preferred that the panel remain in the jury room until reaching verdicts on all four counts. Wittman replied that she would not object to the defense's stance.
Kendrick suggested that his written response to the jury read, "Please continue until you reach a verdict," which Greenspun wanted amended to read, "Please continue with your deliberations." Kendrick considered the matter, then wrote a message on yellow-lined paper that he handed to a bailiff for delivery to the jury.
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From the Falls Church News Press:
An Arlington Circuit Court jury reached unanimous verdicts this morning on three charges against Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, but was ordered to continue deliberating on the fourth charge before releasing any verdicts.
The jury had deliberated just under four and a half hours – two and a half hours yesterday afternoon and less than two hours this morning – before passing on this written message to Judge Benjamin Kendrick at 11:20 a.m.: "We have reached a unanimous verdict on three of the four counts. We have not reached a unanimous verdict on the fourth count. What do we do?"
Kendrick suggested to prosecutor Nicole Wittman and defense attorney Peter Greenspun that the jury be allowed to announce the three verdicts, be read the Allen charge – instructing jurors holding a minority view to reconsider its positions – and return to decide the fourth count.
Wittmann agreed to the suggestion, while Greenspun preferred that the panel remain in the jury room until reaching verdicts on all four counts. Wittman replied that she would not object to the defense's stance.
Kendrick suggested that his written response to the jury read, "Please continue until you reach a verdict," which Greenspun wanted amended to read, "Please continue with your deliberations." Kendrick considered the matter, then wrote a message on yellow-lined paper that he handed to a bailiff for delivery to the jury.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
see ya
()
Date: May 02, 2012 12:52PM
WASHINGTON -- A Virginia jury has found Michael Gardner, the husband of former Falls Church mayor and city councilwoman Robin Gardner, guilty of two counts of sexual battery and one count of object penetration.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
!
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:02PM
Good for the prosecution. Let's hope this a$$hole doesn't stay free pending appeal.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:11PM
oh nooooo...................let's hope he DOES stay free.............and under house arrest..........
Attachments:
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:16PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:21PM
whats sick as shit about that is that the parent would have been given more time behind bars than Gardener is gonna get :(
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:24PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Batman
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:34PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Locked up presentencing..
>
> "Judge Benjamin Kendrick ordered that Gardner be
> immediately taken into custody, rejecting a
> defense request that he be allowed to remain in a
> room in the building with his wife Robin, a Falls
> Church City Council member."
Ouch. The judge just showed us he is going to impose a pretty harsh sentence. If Gardner isn't allowed out prior to sentencing, I bet he will get a long sentence.
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> Locked up presentencing..
>
> "Judge Benjamin Kendrick ordered that Gardner be
> immediately taken into custody, rejecting a
> defense request that he be allowed to remain in a
> room in the building with his wife Robin, a Falls
> Church City Council member."
Ouch. The judge just showed us he is going to impose a pretty harsh sentence. If Gardner isn't allowed out prior to sentencing, I bet he will get a long sentence.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:41PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Advice for Mr. Gardner
()
Date: May 02, 2012 01:46PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Give him life
()
Date: May 02, 2012 04:24PM
Sentencing hearing has begun. Even Gardner's lawyer knows it will be a lengthy sentence.
Peter Greenspun, Gardner’s attorney, asked the jury to consider his client will punished enough by missing events in his children’s lives and asked them to consider giving him a seven-year sentence.
http://clarendon.patch.com/articles/gardner-faces-up-to-life-prison-sentence
Peter Greenspun, Gardner’s attorney, asked the jury to consider his client will punished enough by missing events in his children’s lives and asked them to consider giving him a seven-year sentence.
http://clarendon.patch.com/articles/gardner-faces-up-to-life-prison-sentence
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
No Pity
()
Date: May 02, 2012 05:01PM
Both defendant and attorney are scum.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2012 05:52PM
Jury recommends TWENTY-TWO YEAR SENTENCE.
Jesus Christ, even I thought 12 to 18 would be fair, and I would have been happy with ten years.
If Judge Kendrick follows through with the recommendation ( he can go lowers), Kinko will be almost 70 when he is released.
This story so disgusts me.
Jesus Christ, even I thought 12 to 18 would be fair, and I would have been happy with ten years.
If Judge Kendrick follows through with the recommendation ( he can go lowers), Kinko will be almost 70 when he is released.
This story so disgusts me.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2012 05:55PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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it's not over yet, dammit............
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 02, 2012 06:12PM
YAY!!! I can at least say my respect for the ppl of Falls Church is back
now the next step is an independent investigation into how the Falls Church Police handled this.
cause imagine if Gardner had video
of YOUR kid being molested
on his computer that disappeared
and we will never know
how many children we could have helped
cause of some dicking around by somebody somewhere...................
man coached Girls Soccer for 8 years - y'all dont think he aint rubbed other girls you are fucking in more denial than Coucilwoman Headupherass
shit aint over
now the next step is an independent investigation into how the Falls Church Police handled this.
cause imagine if Gardner had video
of YOUR kid being molested
on his computer that disappeared
and we will never know
how many children we could have helped
cause of some dicking around by somebody somewhere...................
man coached Girls Soccer for 8 years - y'all dont think he aint rubbed other girls you are fucking in more denial than Coucilwoman Headupherass
shit aint over
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Little City Weed
()
Date: May 02, 2012 06:15PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> I read some cooments on one of the local news
> sites. Apparently the tot-tapper ran a blog called
> "blueweeds".
>
> Looked for it online but it has disappeared.
> Curious to see what kind of lefty kook insanity
> was in the mind of this Chester.
His stupidity is still on full display on the Falls Church News Press. Search for the column called "The Little City Weed.". It is mostly on local issues, but you can get a sense of his smug, holier than thou pomposity.
It is good he is friends with Nick Benton. Nick can give him some pointers on sucking cock and taking it up the butt. Nick is an old pro and Mike soon will be.
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> I read some cooments on one of the local news
> sites. Apparently the tot-tapper ran a blog called
> "blueweeds".
>
> Looked for it online but it has disappeared.
> Curious to see what kind of lefty kook insanity
> was in the mind of this Chester.
His stupidity is still on full display on the Falls Church News Press. Search for the column called "The Little City Weed.". It is mostly on local issues, but you can get a sense of his smug, holier than thou pomposity.
It is good he is friends with Nick Benton. Nick can give him some pointers on sucking cock and taking it up the butt. Nick is an old pro and Mike soon will be.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Noggin knocker
()
Date: May 02, 2012 06:41PM
If this sick fuck had pled guilty and taken a plea, he'd probably have been sentenced to 5 to 8 years. Now he is looking at 20+.
His arrogance did him in.
His arrogance did him in.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
We don't say "Aint" round here
()
Date: May 02, 2012 06:52PM
@GordonBlvd
Constantly writing "ain't" and "y'all" in attempt to be folksy or to show your blue-collar affiliations simply makes you sound like a retard.
Just sayin...
Constantly writing "ain't" and "y'all" in attempt to be folksy or to show your blue-collar affiliations simply makes you sound like a retard.
Just sayin...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2012 06:55PM
Noggin knocker Wrote:
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> If this sick fuck had pled guilty and taken a
> plea, he'd probably have been sentenced to 5 to 8
> years. Now he is looking at 20+.
>
> His arrogance did him in.
Those are my sentiments.
Greenspun and Shapiro are fuckheads and represent some deplorable people, but they are very competent counsel.They probably begged his stupid ass to take a plea, but had to put up with this idiots idea of what a good defense was.
Gardner paid considerably more for the jury trial, jury trials take a lot more preperation and research than a plea deal, which is often just damage mitigation and control.
Stupid fucker probably refused to listen to any good advice. He probably has his wife completely snookered or at least torn about the reality of his crimes. He probably has a few loser defenders left, but not for long.
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> If this sick fuck had pled guilty and taken a
> plea, he'd probably have been sentenced to 5 to 8
> years. Now he is looking at 20+.
>
> His arrogance did him in.
Those are my sentiments.
Greenspun and Shapiro are fuckheads and represent some deplorable people, but they are very competent counsel.They probably begged his stupid ass to take a plea, but had to put up with this idiots idea of what a good defense was.
Gardner paid considerably more for the jury trial, jury trials take a lot more preperation and research than a plea deal, which is often just damage mitigation and control.
Stupid fucker probably refused to listen to any good advice. He probably has his wife completely snookered or at least torn about the reality of his crimes. He probably has a few loser defenders left, but not for long.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Blue Weeds Archive
()
Date: May 02, 2012 07:05PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> I read some cooments on one of the local news
> sites. Apparently the tot-tapper ran a blog called
> "blueweeds".
>
> Looked for it online but it has disappeared.
> Curious to see what kind of lefty kook insanity
> was in the mind of this Chester.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100707222625/http://blueweeds.typepad.com/blue_weeds/republicans/
Your curiosity quenched.
What an ass this guy is. It wouldn't surprise me if he posted in this forum.
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> I read some cooments on one of the local news
> sites. Apparently the tot-tapper ran a blog called
> "blueweeds".
>
> Looked for it online but it has disappeared.
> Curious to see what kind of lefty kook insanity
> was in the mind of this Chester.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100707222625/http://blueweeds.typepad.com/blue_weeds/republicans/
Your curiosity quenched.
What an ass this guy is. It wouldn't surprise me if he posted in this forum.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Father
()
Date: May 02, 2012 08:08PM
Thanks for all of your support and comments. It has been a long road and your comments and names have often lifted my spirits. I will have to spend several hours in confession for taking such delight all of your "potty mouthed" posts, and I'm not even Catholic (It is also been great torture for Gardner as demonstrated by WSYN's comment on the first page.(I assume that was Gardner as only someone with a sick mind would turn what was in the report into that sick description)).
I do have to say that Falls Church Police have done a truly awesome job on this case despite having a lot of local political pressure being applied. Sgt. Lancaster and especially Detective Richardson did their investigation so well that even Greenspun could not poke holes in it. And believe me he tried. The prosecutors Nicole Wittmann and Alex Amato also did a fantastic job. Nicole was with us from the beginning and Virginia is well served by her efforts. The Commonwealth put a lot of time and resources into this case and I have to thank them for believing in our girls and sparing no effort to put Gardner away.
Falls Church City is a safer place today.
I do have to say that Falls Church Police have done a truly awesome job on this case despite having a lot of local political pressure being applied. Sgt. Lancaster and especially Detective Richardson did their investigation so well that even Greenspun could not poke holes in it. And believe me he tried. The prosecutors Nicole Wittmann and Alex Amato also did a fantastic job. Nicole was with us from the beginning and Virginia is well served by her efforts. The Commonwealth put a lot of time and resources into this case and I have to thank them for believing in our girls and sparing no effort to put Gardner away.
Falls Church City is a safer place today.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 02, 2012 09:08PM
man, I am glad I logged on again.
wow. Sir. I am blown away by your...........ability to remain calm and sane in what is been this entire event. I hope you and yr family are able to heal.
I thank you for taking the time to "speak" with us, and will most CERTAINLY rethink my thoughts on the police. Are you able to talk about stuff investigation-wise? I am under the impression that Gardner's house wasnt searched for a while and that he got rid of his computer. Is this true or false or can you even talk about it cause I really want to know - thank you if you can
wow. Sir. I am blown away by your...........ability to remain calm and sane in what is been this entire event. I hope you and yr family are able to heal.
I thank you for taking the time to "speak" with us, and will most CERTAINLY rethink my thoughts on the police. Are you able to talk about stuff investigation-wise? I am under the impression that Gardner's house wasnt searched for a while and that he got rid of his computer. Is this true or false or can you even talk about it cause I really want to know - thank you if you can
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
trustee
()
Date: May 02, 2012 09:17PM
With his snotty arrogant attitude he will not do well in the state system. He could end up at the Red Onion which is one tough lockdown.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
trustee
()
Date: May 02, 2012 09:26PM
Rule one in state lockup is keep your mouth shut. This guy doesnt look like he has that in him. I picture him as the type who will run his mouth about his rights. Even in the medium security prisons it can be tough esp if you run your mouth and piss off the guards or fellow inmates. He looks soft and the type with no real street experience by which I mean he will not do well in lockup.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Involved Parent
()
Date: May 02, 2012 11:21PM
Just to clarify a point, Breaking News' comment re: "lack of clear and convincing evidence" on the penetration charge is not correct. Not only was the evidence clear and convincing, it was disgustingly so - photos of a wound, as well as DNA. The poor jurors were put through the wringer on this case.
I would like to thank everyone with supportive comments for giving the girls the benefit of the doubt during the past 10 months. These girls were enormously courageous and took a beating throughout the process. They were truthful, consistent, and most of all, their accounts were supported by the physical evidence. It was difficult to read comments about what an upstanding citizen the now-convicted child molester was when the DNA results were in 6 months ago (albeit erroneously reported the first time around).
The only thing worse than the words of support for the convicted child molester were those for his loving wife. Anyone who knew these girls should have heard the flat-out untruthful and mean-spirited characterizations of them by Robin -- it was truly sickening. She was absolutely heartless about these poor girls, while the prosecution declined to do the same to her two kids. It's hard to be sympathetic about someone who is not only non-apologetic in the face of the evidence and the verdict, but so self-centered as to put on quite a hysterical show during the victim impact statements, focusing on how her life has been disrupted, etc. And worst of all, she refuses to acknowledge the symptoms of abuse that her own kids have exhibited, which doesn't say much about her willingness to protect them either.
While the police may not have been able to conduct the search of their home in the most timely manner (not necessarily their fault), it should be noted that Robin had access to their automated equipment after the convicted child molester's arrest. Also, I can't say enough about the support and cooperation we've received from both the Falls Church Police Department and the Arlington Commonwealth Attorney's office. These people were fantastic and the people of Falls Church, Arlington and Loudoun County are lucky to have them. And Judge Kendrick ran a very tight ship.
My most fervent hope is that Mrs. G will soon begin enjoying life far away from Falls Church. Thanks for sticking through this with us. This has been a very helpful site.
I would like to thank everyone with supportive comments for giving the girls the benefit of the doubt during the past 10 months. These girls were enormously courageous and took a beating throughout the process. They were truthful, consistent, and most of all, their accounts were supported by the physical evidence. It was difficult to read comments about what an upstanding citizen the now-convicted child molester was when the DNA results were in 6 months ago (albeit erroneously reported the first time around).
The only thing worse than the words of support for the convicted child molester were those for his loving wife. Anyone who knew these girls should have heard the flat-out untruthful and mean-spirited characterizations of them by Robin -- it was truly sickening. She was absolutely heartless about these poor girls, while the prosecution declined to do the same to her two kids. It's hard to be sympathetic about someone who is not only non-apologetic in the face of the evidence and the verdict, but so self-centered as to put on quite a hysterical show during the victim impact statements, focusing on how her life has been disrupted, etc. And worst of all, she refuses to acknowledge the symptoms of abuse that her own kids have exhibited, which doesn't say much about her willingness to protect them either.
While the police may not have been able to conduct the search of their home in the most timely manner (not necessarily their fault), it should be noted that Robin had access to their automated equipment after the convicted child molester's arrest. Also, I can't say enough about the support and cooperation we've received from both the Falls Church Police Department and the Arlington Commonwealth Attorney's office. These people were fantastic and the people of Falls Church, Arlington and Loudoun County are lucky to have them. And Judge Kendrick ran a very tight ship.
My most fervent hope is that Mrs. G will soon begin enjoying life far away from Falls Church. Thanks for sticking through this with us. This has been a very helpful site.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
curious neighbor
()
Date: May 02, 2012 11:27PM
Why are there emergency No Parking signs in front of the Gardner home? IIRC they are for 5/3, 7 am - 5:30 pm.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
I live in FC
()
Date: May 02, 2012 11:35PM
Father Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks for all of your support and comments. It
> has been a long road and your comments and names
> have often lifted my spirits. I will have to spend
> several hours in confession for taking such
> delight all of your "potty mouthed" posts, and I'm
> not even Catholic (It is also been great torture
> for Gardner as demonstrated by WSYN's comment on
> the first page.(I assume that was Gardner as only
> someone with a sick mind would turn what was in
> the report into that sick description)).
>
> I do have to say that Falls Church Police have
> done a truly awesome job on this case despite
> having a lot of local political pressure being
> applied. Sgt. Lancaster and especially Detective
> Richardson did their investigation so well that
> even Greenspun could not poke holes in it. And
> believe me he tried. The prosecutors Nicole
> Wittmann and Alex Amato also did a fantastic job.
> Nicole was with us from the beginning and Virginia
> is well served by her efforts. The Commonwealth
> put a lot of time and resources into this case and
> I have to thank them for believing in our girls
> and sparing no effort to put Gardner away.
>
> Falls Church City is a safer place today.
Sir, your family is definitely in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you for taking this animal off the streets.
No words can ever express my emotions related to how horrified and repulsed I am by this monster.
I hope that your daughter can one day recover and thrive the way she should have absent this despicable event.
Your daughter is a hero and a champion. Love her forever as I know you will.
I am not one of those people that is an uber religious person, but your strength reaffirms my faith in humanity.
I have daughters and I am not sure I could be as dignified as you.
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> Thanks for all of your support and comments. It
> has been a long road and your comments and names
> have often lifted my spirits. I will have to spend
> several hours in confession for taking such
> delight all of your "potty mouthed" posts, and I'm
> not even Catholic (It is also been great torture
> for Gardner as demonstrated by WSYN's comment on
> the first page.(I assume that was Gardner as only
> someone with a sick mind would turn what was in
> the report into that sick description)).
>
> I do have to say that Falls Church Police have
> done a truly awesome job on this case despite
> having a lot of local political pressure being
> applied. Sgt. Lancaster and especially Detective
> Richardson did their investigation so well that
> even Greenspun could not poke holes in it. And
> believe me he tried. The prosecutors Nicole
> Wittmann and Alex Amato also did a fantastic job.
> Nicole was with us from the beginning and Virginia
> is well served by her efforts. The Commonwealth
> put a lot of time and resources into this case and
> I have to thank them for believing in our girls
> and sparing no effort to put Gardner away.
>
> Falls Church City is a safer place today.
Sir, your family is definitely in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you for taking this animal off the streets.
No words can ever express my emotions related to how horrified and repulsed I am by this monster.
I hope that your daughter can one day recover and thrive the way she should have absent this despicable event.
Your daughter is a hero and a champion. Love her forever as I know you will.
I am not one of those people that is an uber religious person, but your strength reaffirms my faith in humanity.
I have daughters and I am not sure I could be as dignified as you.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
No forgiveness
()
Date: May 03, 2012 12:40AM
Lydia Zache Wrote:
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Sorry, Lydia. You fail. This douche has what is coming to him in state prison. 20 years of ass raping is not even close to what he deserves.
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> I am a personal friend of Michael Gardner we went
> to george mason university together where he
> served as student government president and I was
> on the senate. Michael is a man who is of
> integrity and virtue he loves his family and his
> community and I find it difficult to believe such
> allegations in reference to him.
> I say he is innocent until proven guilty. It seems
> to me this could be a gross exaggeration of some
> sort or conspiracy or imagination on the part of
> the children involved. Michael was an integral
> part of the falls church community who cared and I
> believe he deserves more support and the benefit
> of the doubt until there is some real definitive
> evidence which can prove otherwise.
Sorry, Lydia. You fail. This douche has what is coming to him in state prison. 20 years of ass raping is not even close to what he deserves.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Michael Gardners Wife in Action
()
Date: May 03, 2012 02:05AM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 03, 2012 08:04AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 03, 2012 08:50AM
so Lydia Zache - tell me something - what would you say to those 3 little girls? Would you be MAD at them for HURTING your friend?
I'm curious as to if there is going to be any retribution from Gardner's power-buddies towards the families of his victims for any of this.
PEOPLE OF FALLS CHURCH I AM COUNTING ON YOU TO MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN
THE FAMILIES OF GARDNER'S VICTIMS SHOULD NOT BE MADE TO SUFFER ANY MORE FROM HIS ACTIONS!!
thank you to whoever put that video up - good stuff =)
@wingnut - I'm watching that and my questions are
a) was Mikey tagging that regularly (the way her voice couldnt hit those high notes, it sounded like he hadnt been giving her any practice on that tip in a while LoLz)
b) Was the pedoactions part of some "thing" involved with their sex life - I mean did he need the "sparK" of a pedo-action to get it on with her, is what I'm trying to say, I guess............
c) Was she in denial or was she helping a little. He was a soccer coach for as long as my kids been alive - LOOOONNG TIME for a pedobear to be running loose around little girls so Reno odds say the number's bigger than 3 in my book so she had to know something was up - I just wonder which way her wind is blowing........
@No forgiveness - actually, it was stated best earlier in the thread:
Posted by: feedhisballs2apitbull ()
Date: July 13, 2011 03:14PM
Even when we do, and he is found guilty, the sentence he receives will be far less than what he deserves. Anything less than castration is a travesty of justice.
I'm curious as to if there is going to be any retribution from Gardner's power-buddies towards the families of his victims for any of this.
PEOPLE OF FALLS CHURCH I AM COUNTING ON YOU TO MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN
THE FAMILIES OF GARDNER'S VICTIMS SHOULD NOT BE MADE TO SUFFER ANY MORE FROM HIS ACTIONS!!
thank you to whoever put that video up - good stuff =)
@wingnut - I'm watching that and my questions are
a) was Mikey tagging that regularly (the way her voice couldnt hit those high notes, it sounded like he hadnt been giving her any practice on that tip in a while LoLz)
b) Was the pedoactions part of some "thing" involved with their sex life - I mean did he need the "sparK" of a pedo-action to get it on with her, is what I'm trying to say, I guess............
c) Was she in denial or was she helping a little. He was a soccer coach for as long as my kids been alive - LOOOONNG TIME for a pedobear to be running loose around little girls so Reno odds say the number's bigger than 3 in my book so she had to know something was up - I just wonder which way her wind is blowing........
@No forgiveness - actually, it was stated best earlier in the thread:
Posted by: feedhisballs2apitbull ()
Date: July 13, 2011 03:14PM
Even when we do, and he is found guilty, the sentence he receives will be far less than what he deserves. Anything less than castration is a travesty of justice.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 03, 2012 08:57AM
to the 3 little girls that I'll never meet:
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR BRAVERY IS SOMETHING I WILL REMEMBER FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!
What you three have done is something on the real life level of Batman - VERY Super Hero like. NO JOKE! You have SERIOUSLY taken down a real-life Evil, Nasty Bad Guy. And not just some stupid streetpunk - you actually took down like Falls Churchs very on Lex Luthor. And I know it sounds crazy, but I'm dead serious. Guy was power, not only in the city, but on a regional (and beyond in some circles) level. And he had ppl played for fools. POWERFUL people
and that didnt let that stop you
and that is something I hope to carry with me for the rest of my life
and that is something I hope you three remember about this whole ordeal as you grow to put it behind you
that NOTHING can stop you - since you already smacked evil in the face
all before high school too........pretty impressive, kids ;)
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR BRAVERY IS SOMETHING I WILL REMEMBER FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!
What you three have done is something on the real life level of Batman - VERY Super Hero like. NO JOKE! You have SERIOUSLY taken down a real-life Evil, Nasty Bad Guy. And not just some stupid streetpunk - you actually took down like Falls Churchs very on Lex Luthor. And I know it sounds crazy, but I'm dead serious. Guy was power, not only in the city, but on a regional (and beyond in some circles) level. And he had ppl played for fools. POWERFUL people
and that didnt let that stop you
and that is something I hope to carry with me for the rest of my life
and that is something I hope you three remember about this whole ordeal as you grow to put it behind you
that NOTHING can stop you - since you already smacked evil in the face
all before high school too........pretty impressive, kids ;)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
MADA
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Date: May 03, 2012 08:59AM
As much as we all want this fat ass nasty fuck getting ass raped, he will be in PC. Punk city..no one will be able to touch him but himself. He might kill himself though so let's hope for that!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: May 03, 2012 09:04AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
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Date: May 03, 2012 10:56AM
While I of course find Mr. Gardner's actions horrible, I'm worried about the comments on here. Some of you are truely ugly people. To say that rape in prison is not only acceptable, but welcome is horrific. Here's a man who had everything; good family, nice home, good job, all gone because of the actions he took one night in June. His wife of what, 20 plus years, you decide to attack? Nice. I'm also surprised and dismayed you want to put justice in the hands of criminals, as long as it's in prison away from your shaded neighborhoods. That's not the point of prison.
He's going away for at least 20 years and he'll likely die in prison, all to cop a feel on a kid. It doesn't make any sense to me. Throwing a lifetime worth of work away on that. Some of you act like his wife should have known. Really? You know a lot of successful lawyers who one day out of the blue decide to enter his kid's slumber party and feel up two little girls? I'll never understand how something like this happens. To literally throw away all you have, to harm kids, to miss out on your kids lives, I'll just never understand it.
He's going away for at least 20 years and he'll likely die in prison, all to cop a feel on a kid. It doesn't make any sense to me. Throwing a lifetime worth of work away on that. Some of you act like his wife should have known. Really? You know a lot of successful lawyers who one day out of the blue decide to enter his kid's slumber party and feel up two little girls? I'll never understand how something like this happens. To literally throw away all you have, to harm kids, to miss out on your kids lives, I'll just never understand it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
rebuttal
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Date: May 03, 2012 11:23AM
Voice of Reason Wrote:
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> While I of course find Mr. Gardner's actions
> horrible, I'm worried about the comments on here.
> Some of you are truely ugly people.
Nowhere near as ugly as Mr. Gardner.
> To say that rape in prison is not only acceptable, but welcome
> is horrific.
It is called Karma.
> Here's a man who had everything;
> good family, nice home, good job, all gone because
> of the actions he took one night in June. His
> wife of what, 20 plus years, you decide to attack?
She testified on his behalf under oath.
> Nice. I'm also surprised and dismayed you want
> to put justice in the hands of criminals, as long
> as it's in prison away from your shaded
> neighborhoods. That's not the point of prison.
In my mind, the point of prison is to punish. The notion of rehabilitation is ridiculous. There is a reason sex offenses carry lengthy sentences. Recitivism among sex offenders is one of the highest among all criminals. There is a reason for a sex offender registry.
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> While I of course find Mr. Gardner's actions
> horrible, I'm worried about the comments on here.
> Some of you are truely ugly people.
Nowhere near as ugly as Mr. Gardner.
> To say that rape in prison is not only acceptable, but welcome
> is horrific.
It is called Karma.
> Here's a man who had everything;
> good family, nice home, good job, all gone because
> of the actions he took one night in June. His
> wife of what, 20 plus years, you decide to attack?
She testified on his behalf under oath.
> Nice. I'm also surprised and dismayed you want
> to put justice in the hands of criminals, as long
> as it's in prison away from your shaded
> neighborhoods. That's not the point of prison.
In my mind, the point of prison is to punish. The notion of rehabilitation is ridiculous. There is a reason sex offenses carry lengthy sentences. Recitivism among sex offenders is one of the highest among all criminals. There is a reason for a sex offender registry.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 03, 2012 03:40PM
@Voice of reason - I want you to go to CVS, buy yourself a can of Raid Hornet and Wasp Killer, and I need for you to spray it directly into your mouth and eyes please.
HOW DARE YOU WHINE ABOUT LITTLE MIKEY'S PAIN WHEN HE IS THE COMPLETE FUCKING ASSHOLE WHO STARTED/CREATED/FABRICATED THIS PAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE, JACKASS!!!!
"He's going away for at least 20 years and he'll likely die in prison, all to cop a feel on a kid. It doesn't make any sense to me"
Doesnt make any sense to you? doesnt make.......? Does...........AAAAAGGHRHRRHRHRHRRHGYUGYUOGYUGBJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Gordon losing his mind again.........)
The reason Gardner is going to prison: to keep ppl like me from FUCKING BURNING HIS HOUSE TO THE FUCKING GROUND! Are you FUCKING UNDERSTANDING ME!?!?!
You say we are weak and that we'd only let criminals harm him? I would sooo willingly take and object and do to him what needs to be done. Got a LOT of other parents would pay for just a Lotto chance to line up behind me. He's going to jail to keep us calm, and not do that. That's why, capesh? They call it "law and order" around here.
I know you are having trouble with this whole CARING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN YOUR COMMUNITY OVER YOUR PEDOPHILE FRIENDS thing, so I'll try to help you out. Its like this. Here in America, it is the RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN TO HAVE FREEDOM and Gardner attempted to take those freedoms (in this case sexual freedom) away BY PHYSICAL FORCE (or what? are you saying he didnt force himself on the girls? Are you gonna argue that they maybe wanted it? Say that, Voice. Say that so I can reach thru this hear interweb, grab your trachea, and start using it as a foot pumice!)
Look, I get that you still wanna be buds with him, make this all go away and be like it was before. Aint gonna happen. And keep this in mind too, Brainiac: he ALSO used his friends, family, and connections to FLAT OUT FUCKING LIE TO PEOPLE!!!! DONT YOU GET THIS!?!?!
So now, we dont know how many girls he's touched, seen, rubbed, etc. We dont. We simply dont, ok? YOu can say blah blah blah all the live long day, but all that falls out of your mouth is shit if there is even ONE GIRL out there whose had to deal with this. 8 yrs as girls soccer coach tells me that he's cum more than once around little kids. I dont know.
And I know you dont either and never will.
But I do know your friend is fake and has been for years. You thought you knew what it was but he's not human. He's a pedo. If you arent, then you need to WAKE THE FUCK UP THE MINUTE YOU READ THIS AND REALIZE YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO AND HE IS A SICK FUCKING PEDO WHO WOULD HARM ANY CHILD IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, even yours and may have without you or even the kid knowing it. Coach rubs a couple times in a group huddle and yr a 7 yr old, you may not even think twice about it - meanwhile Gardners running to the shed to get some kleenx to wipe himself off - prolly happend alot more than we'd care to think about.........
which is the point of that whole prison thingee you were so confused about before, k?
edit: voice - I've been asked to explain something to you - the fact that a lotta anger towards Gardner is the complete utter lack of disrespect has been shown from his camp towards the victims of this crime. Even you in yr post dont even acknowledge the LEGITIMATE pain the families of these kids have dealt with, ONLY yr friend. That kinda feeds this whole anger thing. Just want to let you know. Gardner has generated a LOT of animosity because of this. IF you truly care and truly are a real person, you will let others in his camp know this, and maybe they will do something about it..............
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HOW DARE YOU WHINE ABOUT LITTLE MIKEY'S PAIN WHEN HE IS THE COMPLETE FUCKING ASSHOLE WHO STARTED/CREATED/FABRICATED THIS PAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE, JACKASS!!!!
"He's going away for at least 20 years and he'll likely die in prison, all to cop a feel on a kid. It doesn't make any sense to me"
Doesnt make any sense to you? doesnt make.......? Does...........AAAAAGGHRHRRHRHRHRRHGYUGYUOGYUGBJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Gordon losing his mind again.........)
The reason Gardner is going to prison: to keep ppl like me from FUCKING BURNING HIS HOUSE TO THE FUCKING GROUND! Are you FUCKING UNDERSTANDING ME!?!?!
You say we are weak and that we'd only let criminals harm him? I would sooo willingly take and object and do to him what needs to be done. Got a LOT of other parents would pay for just a Lotto chance to line up behind me. He's going to jail to keep us calm, and not do that. That's why, capesh? They call it "law and order" around here.
I know you are having trouble with this whole CARING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN YOUR COMMUNITY OVER YOUR PEDOPHILE FRIENDS thing, so I'll try to help you out. Its like this. Here in America, it is the RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN TO HAVE FREEDOM and Gardner attempted to take those freedoms (in this case sexual freedom) away BY PHYSICAL FORCE (or what? are you saying he didnt force himself on the girls? Are you gonna argue that they maybe wanted it? Say that, Voice. Say that so I can reach thru this hear interweb, grab your trachea, and start using it as a foot pumice!)
Look, I get that you still wanna be buds with him, make this all go away and be like it was before. Aint gonna happen. And keep this in mind too, Brainiac: he ALSO used his friends, family, and connections to FLAT OUT FUCKING LIE TO PEOPLE!!!! DONT YOU GET THIS!?!?!
So now, we dont know how many girls he's touched, seen, rubbed, etc. We dont. We simply dont, ok? YOu can say blah blah blah all the live long day, but all that falls out of your mouth is shit if there is even ONE GIRL out there whose had to deal with this. 8 yrs as girls soccer coach tells me that he's cum more than once around little kids. I dont know.
And I know you dont either and never will.
But I do know your friend is fake and has been for years. You thought you knew what it was but he's not human. He's a pedo. If you arent, then you need to WAKE THE FUCK UP THE MINUTE YOU READ THIS AND REALIZE YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO AND HE IS A SICK FUCKING PEDO WHO WOULD HARM ANY CHILD IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, even yours and may have without you or even the kid knowing it. Coach rubs a couple times in a group huddle and yr a 7 yr old, you may not even think twice about it - meanwhile Gardners running to the shed to get some kleenx to wipe himself off - prolly happend alot more than we'd care to think about.........
which is the point of that whole prison thingee you were so confused about before, k?
edit: voice - I've been asked to explain something to you - the fact that a lotta anger towards Gardner is the complete utter lack of disrespect has been shown from his camp towards the victims of this crime. Even you in yr post dont even acknowledge the LEGITIMATE pain the families of these kids have dealt with, ONLY yr friend. That kinda feeds this whole anger thing. Just want to let you know. Gardner has generated a LOT of animosity because of this. IF you truly care and truly are a real person, you will let others in his camp know this, and maybe they will do something about it..............
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FC Mom
()
Date: May 03, 2012 04:48PM
I completely agree with and enjoy your comments about this SBO, but your comments about women are unnecessarily distracting from your message. These little girls are strong, brave, powerful people. Will that be a problem for you when they grow to be strong women? Are women who are powerful in and out of the home a negative - are we "shrill and controlling"? Even worse, you seem to be suggesting that women who don't "put out" on demand contribute to men seeking intimacy with children. Maybe that's what men who do these things tell themselves, but that is complete BS. Societies that condone abuse of girls, sexual or otherwise, tend to support the views you have expressed with respect to women. I feel your rage, including toward the wife, but it shouldn't be about her being a woman who isn't a passive Barbie or whatever a "good" woman is supposed to be. There will always be pedos, but I believe less hatred of women who don't "conform" = less abuse of girls.
Just my 2 cents, please carry on with your otherwise excellent commentary.
Just my 2 cents, please carry on with your otherwise excellent commentary.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Marcus Welby
()
Date: May 03, 2012 06:01PM
Gordo...Xanax...now...you're getting all revved up...we talked about this...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Obviously Obvious
()
Date: May 03, 2012 06:03PM
Doesnt make any sense to you? doesnt make.......? Does...........AAAAAGGHRHRRHRHRHRRHGYUGYUOGYUGBJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Gordon losing his mind again.........)
Doesnt make any sense to you? doesnt make.......? Does...........AAAAAGGHRHRRHRHRHRRHGYUGYUOGYUGBJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Gordon losing HER mind again.........)
Corrected that for you...
Doesnt make any sense to you? doesnt make.......? Does...........AAAAAGGHRHRRHRHRHRRHGYUGYUOGYUGBJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Gordon losing HER mind again.........)
Corrected that for you...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
voice of reason
()
Date: May 03, 2012 08:08PM
Gordon - I in no way defended Mr. Gardner. You clearly have a rage problem. Rape is wrong. I'm sorry you don't know that. Rape is wrong in all instances. I can understand if you are one of the parents in this case. I suspect you are not since the parents were satisfied with 22 years. As for "it doesn't make sense." These actions by a father of two at his daughters birthday party makes sense to you? I didn't defend him in any way.
I find it hard to believe people are defending your sexist remarks. Your terroristic threat. And your call for vigilanteism even after justice has been served. Just because Mr. Gardner has a problem doesn't absolve you.
I find it hard to believe people are defending your sexist remarks. Your terroristic threat. And your call for vigilanteism even after justice has been served. Just because Mr. Gardner has a problem doesn't absolve you.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
el creepo
()
Date: May 03, 2012 09:01PM
Voice of Reason Wrote:
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Here's a man who had everything;
> good family, nice home, good job, all gone because
> of the actions he took one night in June.
If I am to believe you then this was the first and last time he did something like this. I have my doubts.
-------------------------------------------------------
Here's a man who had everything;
> good family, nice home, good job, all gone because
> of the actions he took one night in June.
If I am to believe you then this was the first and last time he did something like this. I have my doubts.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
zack m
()
Date: May 03, 2012 09:03PM
IMO the most despicable people on the face of this earth are those that abuse children.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Father
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:07AM
Voice of Reason, if you do even the slightest bit of research on the subject, you will realize this is not the first time he has done something.
"The average number of sexual offenses a pedophile commits before being caught is believed to be more than 100. Stopping one pedophile means saving many victims."(Chilren's Center for Hope and Healing)
As a class of criminal, they have the highest recidivism rate. Attempts to rehabilitate only make them more sophisticated offenders. A 47 year old man does not just suddenly become a child molester out of the blue.
"The average number of sexual offenses a pedophile commits before being caught is believed to be more than 100. Stopping one pedophile means saving many victims."(Chilren's Center for Hope and Healing)
As a class of criminal, they have the highest recidivism rate. Attempts to rehabilitate only make them more sophisticated offenders. A 47 year old man does not just suddenly become a child molester out of the blue.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 07:58AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
I WILL DELETE ALL OF MY POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT after sentencing out of respect for the Gardner children. They do not need to know what losers they have for parents and I feel sorry for them.
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I WILL DELETE ALL OF MY POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT after sentencing out of respect for the Gardner children. They do not need to know what losers they have for parents and I feel sorry for them.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
George Clinton
()
Date: May 04, 2012 09:42AM
Wingnut=GordonBlvd?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 09:52AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
()
Date: May 04, 2012 10:19AM
Wingnut - Yes, this is a conviction on one night. You want to assign crimes to Mr. Gardner that not only have NOT been proved, but havn't even been alledged. This is part of the confusion in this case. He has no past history of anything like this. He coached girls soccer for years. You think every girl he's had contact with wasn't grilled by her parents? No other girls have come forward with any allegations. The man had money. No trips to foreign ports of call?
The police failed in their search warrant. You can lay the blame of their sloppy police work on Mr. Gardner, but I think going forward you should look harder at the police who failed to search his car or work, an office which was right in Falls Church. Oh, and next time, serve the search warrant at the time of arrest.
With all that said, these girls were damaged as were their parents and I hope they are addressing that. No amount of punishment for Mr. Gardner will help these girls. I don't know how you help these girls recover from this, but it seems like the one girl has a handle on it saying, "He had a choice." He will be gone from the streets for the rest of his life, again, because of choices he made one night.
The police failed in their search warrant. You can lay the blame of their sloppy police work on Mr. Gardner, but I think going forward you should look harder at the police who failed to search his car or work, an office which was right in Falls Church. Oh, and next time, serve the search warrant at the time of arrest.
With all that said, these girls were damaged as were their parents and I hope they are addressing that. No amount of punishment for Mr. Gardner will help these girls. I don't know how you help these girls recover from this, but it seems like the one girl has a handle on it saying, "He had a choice." He will be gone from the streets for the rest of his life, again, because of choices he made one night.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 04, 2012 10:45AM
@george - 2+2 doesnt equal 22, k?
@wingnut - whats kinda sad is that maybe Gardner's children already know............may never tell. That sorta thing, y'know?
@Father - I wonder if "voice" is like a NAMBLA person or something. Something that we dont think about but pedos do connect up, like taliban or aryans. Those sorta of ppl do tend to protect each other, y'know? Most of Gardner's human friends are going to stop talking to him and wake up about him - if not before, most CERTAINLY in the next week or so..............
and for voice.............................
YES ASSHOLE! I HAVE A RAGE PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO THE THOUGHT OF LITTLE GIRLS BEING MOLESTED!! IF THAT DOES NOT CREATE A FEELING OF RAGE WITHIN YOU, THEN WE NEED YOU TO STOP BY SUNOCO, PURCHASE 1 QUART OF 10W30, AND POUR THE CONTENTS OF THE BOTTLE DOWN YR THROAT.
Yes, rage. Plain and simple. Which is why, voice, you should GET ON YOUR KNEES AND BEG PPL LIKE "Father" FOR THANKS AND MERCY because it's ppl like him, ppl who show ppl like me that Law and Order works, that keeps ppl like me from burning the flesh of yr pedo-buddy, dangling the remains off the 66 overpass so everyone coming into town can see what happens to Pedos.
You say you dont defend it - posted that around 8 last night. And yet at 11 in the morning yesterday, you posted that you could not comprehend why your friend is "going away for at least 20 years and he'll likely die in prison, all to cop a feel on a kid"............as if "coping a feel" is all that occured ( you are TOTALLY disregarding the fact that he was attempting to STEAL THE SOUL OF A CHILD when he was just "coping a feel). And oh yeah, asshole, you cant "just cop a feel" on a kid. That thought doesnt FUCKING FLOW thru the minds of most humans, k?
Sorry, but your incomprehension of basic common sense (cant understand prison time...........geez that makes me wanna smack you right there), ESPECIALLY when it involves the safety and security of a child in your community, coupled with your stuck-up bourgeois attitude toward this issue as a whole (wahhhh Gordon - you are soooo nasty towards my CONVICTED PEDOPHILE FRIEND!!! I discard all community anger! Let them eat cake!) pisses me of.
And yr gonna have to kinda deal with that sorta vibe if you continue to fly the pedo-flag in your own house so I'd shut my mouth if I was you. Sticking by Gardner's side is gonna get you anger.
@wingnut - whats kinda sad is that maybe Gardner's children already know............may never tell. That sorta thing, y'know?
@Father - I wonder if "voice" is like a NAMBLA person or something. Something that we dont think about but pedos do connect up, like taliban or aryans. Those sorta of ppl do tend to protect each other, y'know? Most of Gardner's human friends are going to stop talking to him and wake up about him - if not before, most CERTAINLY in the next week or so..............
and for voice.............................
YES ASSHOLE! I HAVE A RAGE PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO THE THOUGHT OF LITTLE GIRLS BEING MOLESTED!! IF THAT DOES NOT CREATE A FEELING OF RAGE WITHIN YOU, THEN WE NEED YOU TO STOP BY SUNOCO, PURCHASE 1 QUART OF 10W30, AND POUR THE CONTENTS OF THE BOTTLE DOWN YR THROAT.
Yes, rage. Plain and simple. Which is why, voice, you should GET ON YOUR KNEES AND BEG PPL LIKE "Father" FOR THANKS AND MERCY because it's ppl like him, ppl who show ppl like me that Law and Order works, that keeps ppl like me from burning the flesh of yr pedo-buddy, dangling the remains off the 66 overpass so everyone coming into town can see what happens to Pedos.
You say you dont defend it - posted that around 8 last night. And yet at 11 in the morning yesterday, you posted that you could not comprehend why your friend is "going away for at least 20 years and he'll likely die in prison, all to cop a feel on a kid"............as if "coping a feel" is all that occured ( you are TOTALLY disregarding the fact that he was attempting to STEAL THE SOUL OF A CHILD when he was just "coping a feel). And oh yeah, asshole, you cant "just cop a feel" on a kid. That thought doesnt FUCKING FLOW thru the minds of most humans, k?
Sorry, but your incomprehension of basic common sense (cant understand prison time...........geez that makes me wanna smack you right there), ESPECIALLY when it involves the safety and security of a child in your community, coupled with your stuck-up bourgeois attitude toward this issue as a whole (wahhhh Gordon - you are soooo nasty towards my CONVICTED PEDOPHILE FRIEND!!! I discard all community anger! Let them eat cake!) pisses me of.
And yr gonna have to kinda deal with that sorta vibe if you continue to fly the pedo-flag in your own house so I'd shut my mouth if I was you. Sticking by Gardner's side is gonna get you anger.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
()
Date: May 04, 2012 10:57AM
Gordon - The reason I think you have a rage problem is because you make terroristic threats, think rape is ok, and you are a misogynist. I haven't defended Mr. Gardner in the least for his actions. I just think the jury did a good job in this case. You clearly do not think they did and would like a wild west scenario with you as sheriff. You are a sick individual who clearly needs help and when you finally do become unhinged and take your vengence IRL, then "father" and "wingnut" can then share in the blame for your actions as they've offered so much encouragement to you.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
tell the truth
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:04AM
Voice of Reason Wrote:
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> Gordon - The reason I think you have a rage
> problem is because you make terroristic threats,
> think rape is ok, and you are a misogynist. I
> haven't defended Mr. Gardner in the least for his
> actions. I just think the jury did a good job in
> this case. You clearly do not think they did and
> would like a wild west scenario with you as
> sheriff. You are a sick individual who clearly
> needs help and when you finally do become unhinged
> and take your vengence IRL, then "father" and
> "wingnut" can then share in the blame for your
> actions as they've offered so much encouragement
> to you.
Why didn't you add Michael Gardner to the list that will share the blame? Isn't it he who did the heinous act that enraged Gordon? It is interesting and telling that once again you are not placing the blame on the sick asshole that is at the center of the story here.
So, why do you continue to deflect the story away from Mike Gardner? What is your agenda here?
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> Gordon - The reason I think you have a rage
> problem is because you make terroristic threats,
> think rape is ok, and you are a misogynist. I
> haven't defended Mr. Gardner in the least for his
> actions. I just think the jury did a good job in
> this case. You clearly do not think they did and
> would like a wild west scenario with you as
> sheriff. You are a sick individual who clearly
> needs help and when you finally do become unhinged
> and take your vengence IRL, then "father" and
> "wingnut" can then share in the blame for your
> actions as they've offered so much encouragement
> to you.
Why didn't you add Michael Gardner to the list that will share the blame? Isn't it he who did the heinous act that enraged Gordon? It is interesting and telling that once again you are not placing the blame on the sick asshole that is at the center of the story here.
So, why do you continue to deflect the story away from Mike Gardner? What is your agenda here?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:27AM
Check It! Pedobear's pal wants to play!! Incredible....... ok, asshole - let's play.
All my crap's on here - show us were I've stated that the rape of Gardner is ok or shown any hatred towards EITHER gender? Aint never said a thing about rape and never showed hatred to ANY woman if I wasnt mad at her for her INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS! I lashed out at the police chief for my percieved lack of action on the part of her troops, which I may have been wrong for (still learning about that) and I've worst I've talked about Robin is about her losing her seat on the council. So go thru this thread, make sure you are intelligent enough to know who YOUR anger is directed at, jackass.
I know my rage, know who should get it and know your idea of a "terrorist threat" is MILES away from what the real thing would be.
I got a rage problem cause assholes like you would rather focus on my interweb words than on helping the community heal.
Oh yeah, if you want to know WHY you are an asshole, voice - re-read the last sentence you wrote. If I became "unhinged" (LoLz, like I'm not now, right?), you see ppl like Father and Wingnut as ones to blame for it!?!?!?!!?!? I mean, really? REALLY? REALLY!?!!? o_0
Check It! THIS GUY WOULD SERIOUSLY BLAME THE INTERWEB FOR RAGE AT HIS PEDO-PAL, and NOT the actions of his pedo-pal. In-FUCKING-credible........
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All my crap's on here - show us were I've stated that the rape of Gardner is ok or shown any hatred towards EITHER gender? Aint never said a thing about rape and never showed hatred to ANY woman if I wasnt mad at her for her INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS! I lashed out at the police chief for my percieved lack of action on the part of her troops, which I may have been wrong for (still learning about that) and I've worst I've talked about Robin is about her losing her seat on the council. So go thru this thread, make sure you are intelligent enough to know who YOUR anger is directed at, jackass.
I know my rage, know who should get it and know your idea of a "terrorist threat" is MILES away from what the real thing would be.
I got a rage problem cause assholes like you would rather focus on my interweb words than on helping the community heal.
Oh yeah, if you want to know WHY you are an asshole, voice - re-read the last sentence you wrote. If I became "unhinged" (LoLz, like I'm not now, right?), you see ppl like Father and Wingnut as ones to blame for it!?!?!?!!?!? I mean, really? REALLY? REALLY!?!!? o_0
Check It! THIS GUY WOULD SERIOUSLY BLAME THE INTERWEB FOR RAGE AT HIS PEDO-PAL, and NOT the actions of his pedo-pal. In-FUCKING-credible........
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:32AM
tell the truth - Because justice has been served in this case. The jury has found him guilty and he will be going away for more than 20 years. I'm not sure what more you want from it, but Gordon clearly wants to "burn down his house," and wants him raped in prison. I'm sorry, but throw in with that kind of person if you want, but I'll choose to stand with the jury, not Gordon. I'll say this again. Mr. Gardner is the only one to blame here, but that's not what Gordon and Wingnut are saying and it concerns me that you support people who are so comfortable with violence.
Since you all seem so intent on throwing around hypotheticals, most pedophiles were abused as children correct? So, was Mr. Gardner abused as a child? You see how Libeling me is circular arguement.
When I say "I don't understand," I'm not saying I don't understand how the jury came to this conclusion or I don't understand how the girls said these things. I mean, which I felt I stated quite clearly, is how a man who has everything throws it all away to do something like this. To basically end your life, to demage these girls and your own children and a reputation you spent a life building is uncomprehensible to me.
Since you all seem so intent on throwing around hypotheticals, most pedophiles were abused as children correct? So, was Mr. Gardner abused as a child? You see how Libeling me is circular arguement.
When I say "I don't understand," I'm not saying I don't understand how the jury came to this conclusion or I don't understand how the girls said these things. I mean, which I felt I stated quite clearly, is how a man who has everything throws it all away to do something like this. To basically end your life, to demage these girls and your own children and a reputation you spent a life building is uncomprehensible to me.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:37AM
Oh and Gordon or lets use your "real name", "Jomamas Pimp"; with a name like that, let's jump to the conclusion you are comfortable being a pimp and therefore comfortable with the enslavement of women.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:37AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Amazed Onlooker
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:43AM
Holy shit...GordonBlvd is losing it!
CAPS, underlining, BOLD!
You've probably smashed a few keyboards at this point.
CAPS, underlining, BOLD!
You've probably smashed a few keyboards at this point.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:43AM
Voice of Reason- FUCK YOU..
You are obviously comfortable with a child molester as a friend.
You are obviously comfortable with a child molester as a friend.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:46AM
here he goes again. Ok, asshole - pay attention. I've said which I felt I stated quite clearly how it's because of law and order why I WOULDNT burn down his house. I've pointed out repeatedly how the bravery of the girls and how the strength and convictions of their family are things that would keep me from ever doing the crap I'm raging about. And why you keep saying I want him raped in prison..............well I've never said that and dunno why you want me to feel that's a good idea or state that I've even said that.
But fuck all that!! WHO CARES WHAT I FEEL, THINK, SAY, ETC!?!? WHO THE FUCK CARES, ASSHOLE?!? ANSWER - ONLY YOU DO. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT ME, OK? I AM NOT PART OF THIS EQUATION, OK AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
You know why? Because if I was serious about what I was talking about, it would be DISRESPECTING the families, ok? If I took their choice of getting Gardner locked up away from them, I would be as much an asshole as Gardner, bringing drama, trouble, pain to the community. I know this and you should too.
Now..........about libeling you. Your pedo-pal may or maynot have been abused as a child. But he...........and pay attention now because this id directed to you, ok?.............he DOES NOT HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT TO CONTINUE THE CYCLE OF PAIN, ASSWIPE!! GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULL!!!
if you are human, you are NEVER going to understand why he needs little girls to cum until you wake up to the fact he's been doing it for a while.
But you dont care about that do you? Much better to focus on me, right?
But fuck all that!! WHO CARES WHAT I FEEL, THINK, SAY, ETC!?!? WHO THE FUCK CARES, ASSHOLE?!? ANSWER - ONLY YOU DO. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT ME, OK? I AM NOT PART OF THIS EQUATION, OK AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
You know why? Because if I was serious about what I was talking about, it would be DISRESPECTING the families, ok? If I took their choice of getting Gardner locked up away from them, I would be as much an asshole as Gardner, bringing drama, trouble, pain to the community. I know this and you should too.
Now..........about libeling you. Your pedo-pal may or maynot have been abused as a child. But he...........and pay attention now because this id directed to you, ok?.............he DOES NOT HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT TO CONTINUE THE CYCLE OF PAIN, ASSWIPE!! GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULL!!!
if you are human, you are NEVER going to understand why he needs little girls to cum until you wake up to the fact he's been doing it for a while.
But you dont care about that do you? Much better to focus on me, right?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:49AM
@Amazed - I.T. is gonna start buying them by the gross LoLz
@wing - maybe so....... pedos sometimes run in packs, y'know? Voice may be someone mad that they cant get streaming feed or downloads from Gardner anymore, for all I know...........
@wing - maybe so....... pedos sometimes run in packs, y'know? Voice may be someone mad that they cant get streaming feed or downloads from Gardner anymore, for all I know...........
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Atticus Finch ESQ
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:53AM
"ppl like me burning the flesh of yr pedo-buddy, dangling the remains off the 66 overpass so everyone coming into town can see what happens to Pedos."
Wow, that's pretty dam Biblical...who needs a legal system when we have GordonBlvd's homegrown Taliban...
Tell you what, Gordo, why don't you get some of your mouth-breathing friends, storm the jail, torture, castrate, and hang this guy, and you can even proudly pose for photographs with the mutilated corpse dangling over you. Save a few body parts as a keepsake while you're at it.
Thanks, but no need to "pour a quart of 10w30 down my throat."
Wow....
Wow, that's pretty dam Biblical...who needs a legal system when we have GordonBlvd's homegrown Taliban...
Tell you what, Gordo, why don't you get some of your mouth-breathing friends, storm the jail, torture, castrate, and hang this guy, and you can even proudly pose for photographs with the mutilated corpse dangling over you. Save a few body parts as a keepsake while you're at it.
Thanks, but no need to "pour a quart of 10w30 down my throat."
Wow....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
tell the truth
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:55AM
Atticus Finch ESQ Wrote:
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> "ppl like me burning the flesh of yr pedo-buddy,
> dangling the remains off the 66 overpass so
> everyone coming into town can see what happens to
> Pedos."
>
>
>
> Wow, that's pretty dam Biblical...who needs a
> legal system when we have GordonBlvd's homegrown
> Taliban...
>
>
> Tell you what, Gordo, why don't you get some of
> your mouth-breathing friends, storm the jail,
> torture, castrate, and hang this guy, and you can
> even proudly pose for photographs with the
> mutilated corpse dangling over you. Save a few
> body parts as a keepsake while you're at it.
>
>
> Thanks, but no need to "pour a quart of 10w30 down
> my throat."
>
> Wow....
Well, looks like it is pedo sympathizer day here on FFXU. At least these freaks are on here defending their pedo friend instead of trading pedo porn or looking for their next victim.
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> "ppl like me burning the flesh of yr pedo-buddy,
> dangling the remains off the 66 overpass so
> everyone coming into town can see what happens to
> Pedos."
>
>
>
> Wow, that's pretty dam Biblical...who needs a
> legal system when we have GordonBlvd's homegrown
> Taliban...
>
>
> Tell you what, Gordo, why don't you get some of
> your mouth-breathing friends, storm the jail,
> torture, castrate, and hang this guy, and you can
> even proudly pose for photographs with the
> mutilated corpse dangling over you. Save a few
> body parts as a keepsake while you're at it.
>
>
> Thanks, but no need to "pour a quart of 10w30 down
> my throat."
>
> Wow....
Well, looks like it is pedo sympathizer day here on FFXU. At least these freaks are on here defending their pedo friend instead of trading pedo porn or looking for their next victim.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 11:59AM
So what became of Michael Gardners laptop in the weeks between his arrest and the search of his home?
Answer me, Defenders of the Ped or go the fuck away/
Answer me, Defenders of the Ped or go the fuck away/
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:00PM
Wingnut... seriously, you think pre-sentencing points are made on a message board? I'm just stating the obvious fact that no other girls have come forward and there's no evidence he's ever done anything like this before. If there was, don't you think the prosecution would have mentioned it?
I would think that would bring some solace to you. You could make the argument that because these girls were taught to speak out, Mr. Gardner's quick arrest and now conviction prevented him from doing this again and stopped him early in a "career" of harming girls.
The conviction rate on people accused of pedophilia is over 90 percent. The girls said what happened and DNA supported their claims. That doesn't mean the police did a "great job." They were sloppy. It's my understanding from this board that semen and sperm was found on the pajamas, not Mr. Gardner's. What happened to that?
I would think that would bring some solace to you. You could make the argument that because these girls were taught to speak out, Mr. Gardner's quick arrest and now conviction prevented him from doing this again and stopped him early in a "career" of harming girls.
The conviction rate on people accused of pedophilia is over 90 percent. The girls said what happened and DNA supported their claims. That doesn't mean the police did a "great job." They were sloppy. It's my understanding from this board that semen and sperm was found on the pajamas, not Mr. Gardner's. What happened to that?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Nature Inspired
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:06PM
@to tell the truth...
You seem to be quite familar with the language of predators, such as "trading pedo porn or looking for the next victim."
Anything you want to tell us?
You seem to be quite familar with the language of predators, such as "trading pedo porn or looking for the next victim."
Anything you want to tell us?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:07PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
tell the truth
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:13PM
Nature Inspired Wrote:
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> @to tell the truth...
>
> You seem to be quite familar with the language of
> predators, such as "trading pedo porn or looking
> for the next victim."
>
>
> Anything you want to tell us?
Sure. I work closely with law enforcement to see that the laws regarding these sickos is adequate enough to put these freaks away for a long time.
I can see I touched a nerve.
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> @to tell the truth...
>
> You seem to be quite familar with the language of
> predators, such as "trading pedo porn or looking
> for the next victim."
>
>
> Anything you want to tell us?
Sure. I work closely with law enforcement to see that the laws regarding these sickos is adequate enough to put these freaks away for a long time.
I can see I touched a nerve.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church PD
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:29PM
"I work closely with law enforcement"
Yeah, sure...
Sorry, you're not going to "touch my nerve," even though you want so much to...
Yeah, sure...
Sorry, you're not going to "touch my nerve," even though you want so much to...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:32PM
@tell - I bet that's not all you'd like touching.....
@Wing - I notice he aint as focus on yr questions as he is on my bs..........interesting, eh? We been waiting an hour over here to see when I've been hatin on women and crap LoLz
@Nature - I cant imagine what are running on the other screens on that computer he's typing from :(
@Voice - the other sperm was from dad. It was cause his crap got washed with the girls crap. That's why Gardner's cum was in like a megamillions times more present. That was explained like days ago, yo. And if you can just discount away the fucking REALITY that a guy who was a little girls soccer coach for almost a decade just got convicted on multiple counts of child molestation.........................oh whats the point - we all know how this is gonna end up..............
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@Wing - I notice he aint as focus on yr questions as he is on my bs..........interesting, eh? We been waiting an hour over here to see when I've been hatin on women and crap LoLz
@Nature - I cant imagine what are running on the other screens on that computer he's typing from :(
@Voice - the other sperm was from dad. It was cause his crap got washed with the girls crap. That's why Gardner's cum was in like a megamillions times more present. That was explained like days ago, yo. And if you can just discount away the fucking REALITY that a guy who was a little girls soccer coach for almost a decade just got convicted on multiple counts of child molestation.........................oh whats the point - we all know how this is gonna end up..............
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
tell the truth
()
Date: May 04, 2012 12:49PM
Falls Church PD Wrote:
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> "I work closely with law enforcement"
>
> Yeah, sure...
>
> Sorry, you're not going to "touch my nerve," even
> though you want so much to...
It is good to see Mike's pedo friends contributing to the conversation. It only bumps the thread higher. Say hello to Nick.
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> "I work closely with law enforcement"
>
> Yeah, sure...
>
> Sorry, you're not going to "touch my nerve," even
> though you want so much to...
It is good to see Mike's pedo friends contributing to the conversation. It only bumps the thread higher. Say hello to Nick.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 01:01PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 04, 2012 01:08PM
friend, maybe a "business" partner - who knows?
edit: pic unrelated :)
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FCNP history of defending pedos
()
Date: May 04, 2012 01:22PM
Here is Mike's good friend, political ally Nick Benton defending another pedo in print:
(Keep in mind, Gardner and Benton long tried to be the puppet masters of the elected officials in FCC. Gardner was an op/ed writer for Benton's paper.)
By Nicholas F. Benton
We are heartened by the news that came late last night of the plans by the attorney for George Mason High School theatre arts instructor Frank Marino to vigorously fight what he's called the "unconstitutional charges" brought against his client in Prince William County. Indeed, it appears clear on its face that the three counts of "crimes against nature" brought against Marino are flat-out unconstitutional based on the U.S. Supreme Court's Lawrence vs. Texas ruling last summer.
Some Neanderthal politicians in Richmond are trying to keep Virginia's anti-same sex laws on the books through legislative sleights of hand, but none will pass muster with the clear equal rights standard established by the Supreme Court. In this context, it remains to be seen if the choice of the specific charges brought against Marino was based on some political or ideological motive by Prince William prosecutors.
We share and are keenly attuned to the heartfelt grief that has swept over the entire Falls Church community over the arrest last week on charges of sexual involvement with a minor against one of the school system's most esteemed and cherished teachers. While the charge of "indecent liberties with a minor" is serious, guilt or innocence of Mr. Marino will be discerned through the impending court fight. In the meantime, he has the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
But not only does this presumption of innocence apply to Mr. Marino, so does much more. Almost everyone familiar with what's gone on at George Mason High School over the past decade knows that Mr. Marino was clearly among the premier "impact" instructors of the institution's entire history. Having covered events and lives of students at this high school over the entire decade of Mr. Marino's involvement there, this newspaper is fully aware of the universal appreciation all the students held for him: Not just the drama students, but all the students who were beneficiaries of his attentive, caring, kind and laughter-filled personality and skill. Under Mr. Marino, for example, there was no hint of the common adolescent cultural antipathy separating drama "types" from jocks. On the contrary, Mr. Marino successfully persuaded many a jock to play leading roles in his beloved plays and musicals.
We are truly concerned about whatever lasting harm was allegedly perpetrated on the under-aged former student in question. But beyond that, we care greatly for the enduring harm to hundreds if not thousands of students, current and future, caused not so much by any trauma associated with the particular charges (most students are more resilient and capable of coping with human fallibility than they're often given credit for), as by prospect of the students' potential loss of access to Mr. Marino's enormous talents.
http://www.fcnp.com/350/comm1.htm
(Keep in mind, Gardner and Benton long tried to be the puppet masters of the elected officials in FCC. Gardner was an op/ed writer for Benton's paper.)
By Nicholas F. Benton
We are heartened by the news that came late last night of the plans by the attorney for George Mason High School theatre arts instructor Frank Marino to vigorously fight what he's called the "unconstitutional charges" brought against his client in Prince William County. Indeed, it appears clear on its face that the three counts of "crimes against nature" brought against Marino are flat-out unconstitutional based on the U.S. Supreme Court's Lawrence vs. Texas ruling last summer.
Some Neanderthal politicians in Richmond are trying to keep Virginia's anti-same sex laws on the books through legislative sleights of hand, but none will pass muster with the clear equal rights standard established by the Supreme Court. In this context, it remains to be seen if the choice of the specific charges brought against Marino was based on some political or ideological motive by Prince William prosecutors.
We share and are keenly attuned to the heartfelt grief that has swept over the entire Falls Church community over the arrest last week on charges of sexual involvement with a minor against one of the school system's most esteemed and cherished teachers. While the charge of "indecent liberties with a minor" is serious, guilt or innocence of Mr. Marino will be discerned through the impending court fight. In the meantime, he has the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
But not only does this presumption of innocence apply to Mr. Marino, so does much more. Almost everyone familiar with what's gone on at George Mason High School over the past decade knows that Mr. Marino was clearly among the premier "impact" instructors of the institution's entire history. Having covered events and lives of students at this high school over the entire decade of Mr. Marino's involvement there, this newspaper is fully aware of the universal appreciation all the students held for him: Not just the drama students, but all the students who were beneficiaries of his attentive, caring, kind and laughter-filled personality and skill. Under Mr. Marino, for example, there was no hint of the common adolescent cultural antipathy separating drama "types" from jocks. On the contrary, Mr. Marino successfully persuaded many a jock to play leading roles in his beloved plays and musicals.
We are truly concerned about whatever lasting harm was allegedly perpetrated on the under-aged former student in question. But beyond that, we care greatly for the enduring harm to hundreds if not thousands of students, current and future, caused not so much by any trauma associated with the particular charges (most students are more resilient and capable of coping with human fallibility than they're often given credit for), as by prospect of the students' potential loss of access to Mr. Marino's enormous talents.
http://www.fcnp.com/350/comm1.htm
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 01:29PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
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Date: May 04, 2012 01:42PM
Wingnut... I never questioned the veracity of an of the evidence. The jury agree with the prosecutor that there was no explanation of his DNA inside the girl's underwear. Again, I've never questioned the evidence or the girls' testimony.
As for the laptop, I'm guessing it was on Mr. Gardner's person. He was not allowed in the home between his arrest and the search warrant so that makes sense. Sorry your Keystone cops did a poor job with the search warrant, but that shouldn't reflect on Gardner.People generally don't turn things over when they're neither asked or required to.
Mr. Gardner's cum was not found anywhere. His DNA was found in the girl's underwear which is in large part why the jury convicted.
You are clearly a police officer in this case as you can't see the potential disaster your department almost caused for the prosecutor.
As for the laptop, I'm guessing it was on Mr. Gardner's person. He was not allowed in the home between his arrest and the search warrant so that makes sense. Sorry your Keystone cops did a poor job with the search warrant, but that shouldn't reflect on Gardner.People generally don't turn things over when they're neither asked or required to.
Mr. Gardner's cum was not found anywhere. His DNA was found in the girl's underwear which is in large part why the jury convicted.
You are clearly a police officer in this case as you can't see the potential disaster your department almost caused for the prosecutor.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 01:44PM
@ FCNP history of defending pedos-
The FCNP is shitty paper, I only use to to clean my patio glass and windshield. It has a much better consistency than paper towels.
THe editor Nick Benton doesn't write very well, but I think what he was trying to argue was the difference between the charge if it had been a male studen or female. His point being that a "crime of nature" was sex male on male, and it would have been a different charge altogether had it been male on female.
I could understand the logic from a constitutionalist or libertarian point of view- sex with a male minor is just as bad as sex with a female minor.
But it is kind of weird to devote a column to this, the language may have been different in the charge (crime against nature) but the sentence was probably no different. It's illegal to buttfuck your own wife in VA too, so who fucking cares?
The good news for Micahel Gardner is that he probably has a friend in this Frank Marino fagola who can give him a few pointers on what to expect when he goes downstate.
The bad news for Michael Gardner is that Marino will have NO good news.
The FCNP is shitty paper, I only use to to clean my patio glass and windshield. It has a much better consistency than paper towels.
THe editor Nick Benton doesn't write very well, but I think what he was trying to argue was the difference between the charge if it had been a male studen or female. His point being that a "crime of nature" was sex male on male, and it would have been a different charge altogether had it been male on female.
I could understand the logic from a constitutionalist or libertarian point of view- sex with a male minor is just as bad as sex with a female minor.
But it is kind of weird to devote a column to this, the language may have been different in the charge (crime against nature) but the sentence was probably no different. It's illegal to buttfuck your own wife in VA too, so who fucking cares?
The good news for Micahel Gardner is that he probably has a friend in this Frank Marino fagola who can give him a few pointers on what to expect when he goes downstate.
The bad news for Michael Gardner is that Marino will have NO good news.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 01:52PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FCNP history of defending pedos
()
Date: May 04, 2012 01:54PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> @ FCNP history of defending pedos-
>
> The FCNP is shitty paper, I only use to to clean
> my patio glass and windshield. It has a much
> better consistency than paper towels.
>
>
> THe editor Nick Benton doesn't write very well,
> but I think what he was trying to argue was the
> difference between the charge if it had been a
> male studen or female. His point being that a
> "crime of nature" was sex male on male, and it
> would have been a different charge altogether had
> it been male on female.
>
> I could understand the logic from a
> constitutionalist or libertarian point of view-
> sex with a male minor is just as bad as sex with a
> female minor.
>
> But it is kind of weird to devote a column to
> this, the language may have been different in the
> charge (crime against nature) but the sentence was
> probably no different. It's illegal to buttfuck
> your own wife in VA too, so who fucking cares?
>
> The good news for Micahel Gardner is that he
> probably has a friend in this Frank Marino fagola
> who can give him a few pointers on what to expect
> when he goes downstate.
>
> The bad news for Michael Gardner is that Marino
> will have NO good news.
I get what he was trying to say, but there are better examples to use than a charge against a pedo.
Nick Benton spent a good chunk of his adult life working for Lyndon LaRouche. That should tell you something right there.
-------------------------------------------------------
> @ FCNP history of defending pedos-
>
> The FCNP is shitty paper, I only use to to clean
> my patio glass and windshield. It has a much
> better consistency than paper towels.
>
>
> THe editor Nick Benton doesn't write very well,
> but I think what he was trying to argue was the
> difference between the charge if it had been a
> male studen or female. His point being that a
> "crime of nature" was sex male on male, and it
> would have been a different charge altogether had
> it been male on female.
>
> I could understand the logic from a
> constitutionalist or libertarian point of view-
> sex with a male minor is just as bad as sex with a
> female minor.
>
> But it is kind of weird to devote a column to
> this, the language may have been different in the
> charge (crime against nature) but the sentence was
> probably no different. It's illegal to buttfuck
> your own wife in VA too, so who fucking cares?
>
> The good news for Micahel Gardner is that he
> probably has a friend in this Frank Marino fagola
> who can give him a few pointers on what to expect
> when he goes downstate.
>
> The bad news for Michael Gardner is that Marino
> will have NO good news.
I get what he was trying to say, but there are better examples to use than a charge against a pedo.
Nick Benton spent a good chunk of his adult life working for Lyndon LaRouche. That should tell you something right there.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 02:23PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 04, 2012 03:07PM
@Wingnut - that's actually old hat - the LaRouche thingee. Think about Helen and the whole Israeli thingee and how she got her job at FCNP. Small World. And I miss the Volvos. LoLz
@FCNP - especially odd that a so-called COMMUNITY-oriented paper would make that column with that argument in the same city that the victims lived in. Makes ya wonder what sorta "community" the FCNP is actually printing for...........
@Voice - we're still waiting, asshole
here's a pic for yr buddy - dont say I never gave him anything.................
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@FCNP - especially odd that a so-called COMMUNITY-oriented paper would make that column with that argument in the same city that the victims lived in. Makes ya wonder what sorta "community" the FCNP is actually printing for...........
@Voice - we're still waiting, asshole
here's a pic for yr buddy - dont say I never gave him anything.................
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
tell the truth
()
Date: May 04, 2012 03:10PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> What I can't help but wonder is what if any kind
> of plea bargain was offered?
>
>
> Save this kids the trauma...plead
> guilty...apologize to yhe kids, the parents, the
> community...blame drink/drugs/medication....get
> "treatment"....
>
>
> Michael the PedoFag Gardner might have been able
> to cop this down to 3 or 4 yrs. Wouldn't have been
> a fun 3 or 4 yrs, but he may have been able to run
> free again.
>
>
> NEWSFLASH- Jan.13th 2016--
>
> A 52 year old Falls Church man, convicted of child
> molesatation in 2012, died at Medical Center of
> Virginia after collasping during his work
> assignment in the kitchen of Powhattan
> Correctional Center.
>
> Michael Gardner, who had suffered from congestive
> heart failure, was once a prominent local Democrat
> activist in the City of Falls Church and former
> husband of Robin Sigler, who served as mayor of
> the city last decade.
>
> Gardner, whose appeal was denied in 2013, was
> serving a 22 year sentence for the 2012
> molestation of three girls in his Falls Church
> home during a slumber party hosted by his
> daughter.
>
> In 2013, Gardner survived multiple stab wounds
> inflicted by another inmate at Augusta
> Correctional Center in the western part of the
> state. Gardner was recently transferred to
> Powhattan Correctional Center after a lengthy stay
> in protective custody.
>
> Cause of death is suspected to be heart related,
> but autopsy results will not be made available for
> several weeks."
>
>
> His story will end like this or similarly.
Nah, probably more like this:
52 year old Falls Church man, convicted of child molesatation in 2012, died at the Augusta Correctional Center after ingesting a lethal amount of barbiturates.
Michael Gardner, who had previously attempted suicide by hanging at the Coffeewood Correctional Center in October of 2012, was once a prominent local Democrat activist in the City of Falls Church and former husband of Robin Sigler, who served as mayor of the city last decade.
Gardner, whose appeal was denied in 2013, was serving a 22 year sentence for the 2012 molestation of three girls in his Falls Church home during a slumber party hosted by his daughter.
Throughout his prison stay, Gardner filed numerous unsuccessful civil rights cases agains the Virginia Department of Corrections.
Cause of death is suspected to be suicide by drugs, but autopsy results will not be made available for several weeks."
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> What I can't help but wonder is what if any kind
> of plea bargain was offered?
>
>
> Save this kids the trauma...plead
> guilty...apologize to yhe kids, the parents, the
> community...blame drink/drugs/medication....get
> "treatment"....
>
>
> Michael the PedoFag Gardner might have been able
> to cop this down to 3 or 4 yrs. Wouldn't have been
> a fun 3 or 4 yrs, but he may have been able to run
> free again.
>
>
> NEWSFLASH- Jan.13th 2016--
>
> A 52 year old Falls Church man, convicted of child
> molesatation in 2012, died at Medical Center of
> Virginia after collasping during his work
> assignment in the kitchen of Powhattan
> Correctional Center.
>
> Michael Gardner, who had suffered from congestive
> heart failure, was once a prominent local Democrat
> activist in the City of Falls Church and former
> husband of Robin Sigler, who served as mayor of
> the city last decade.
>
> Gardner, whose appeal was denied in 2013, was
> serving a 22 year sentence for the 2012
> molestation of three girls in his Falls Church
> home during a slumber party hosted by his
> daughter.
>
> In 2013, Gardner survived multiple stab wounds
> inflicted by another inmate at Augusta
> Correctional Center in the western part of the
> state. Gardner was recently transferred to
> Powhattan Correctional Center after a lengthy stay
> in protective custody.
>
> Cause of death is suspected to be heart related,
> but autopsy results will not be made available for
> several weeks."
>
>
> His story will end like this or similarly.
Nah, probably more like this:
52 year old Falls Church man, convicted of child molesatation in 2012, died at the Augusta Correctional Center after ingesting a lethal amount of barbiturates.
Michael Gardner, who had previously attempted suicide by hanging at the Coffeewood Correctional Center in October of 2012, was once a prominent local Democrat activist in the City of Falls Church and former husband of Robin Sigler, who served as mayor of the city last decade.
Gardner, whose appeal was denied in 2013, was serving a 22 year sentence for the 2012 molestation of three girls in his Falls Church home during a slumber party hosted by his daughter.
Throughout his prison stay, Gardner filed numerous unsuccessful civil rights cases agains the Virginia Department of Corrections.
Cause of death is suspected to be suicide by drugs, but autopsy results will not be made available for several weeks."
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 04, 2012 03:19PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
they never stop
()
Date: May 04, 2012 03:53PM
I remember a few years back when they first started the online sex offender registry. There was one that lived near me and a few bleeding hearts objected to the registry as "everyone needs a fresh start and he paid his dues" and all that bullshit. It wasnt a month after he was released he molested another little kid.
His defenders slithered back into the wood pile.
Do I keep an eye on the ones near me your damn right I do. I do not harrass them or bother them but I damn well watch them.
I think you can rehabilitate a thief or drug user but not a child molester. I think they have hard wired to do what they do.
His defenders slithered back into the wood pile.
Do I keep an eye on the ones near me your damn right I do. I do not harrass them or bother them but I damn well watch them.
I think you can rehabilitate a thief or drug user but not a child molester. I think they have hard wired to do what they do.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lucifer Annex 43
()
Date: May 04, 2012 07:38PM
Is it safe to come out? Have Gordon and Wingnut exausted their passion yet?
Has Voice of Reason--you remember, the "friend of the PEDO Faggot" been (slowly)burned at the stake at a GordonBlvd-hosted auto de fe?
Has Voice of Reason--you remember, the "friend of the PEDO Faggot" been (slowly)burned at the stake at a GordonBlvd-hosted auto de fe?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 05, 2012 08:31AM
if yr a fucking pedo, NEVER SAFE TO COME OUT, yo..........
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
BS Meter
()
Date: May 05, 2012 08:34AM
Lucifer Annex 43 Wrote:
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> Is it safe to come out? Have Gordon and Wingnut
> exausted their passion yet?
>
> Has Voice of Reason--you remember, the "friend of
> the PEDO Faggot" been (slowly)burned at the stake
> at a GordonBlvd-hosted auto de fe?
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> Is it safe to come out? Have Gordon and Wingnut
> exausted their passion yet?
>
> Has Voice of Reason--you remember, the "friend of
> the PEDO Faggot" been (slowly)burned at the stake
> at a GordonBlvd-hosted auto de fe?
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really, dude? really? that's the best you could do?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 05, 2012 09:31AM
now THIS! THIS is the way to kill an evil shitmonster
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Tribunal Pharasee
()
Date: May 05, 2012 10:15AM
Rich revenge fantasy life you have going there, GordonBlvd...at least you're not hurting (we hope) people
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon
()
Date: May 05, 2012 10:38AM
Tribunal Pharasee Wrote:
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> Rich revenge fantasy life you have going there,
> GordonBlvd...at least you're not hurting (we hope)
> people
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> Rich revenge fantasy life you have going there,
> GordonBlvd...at least you're not hurting (we hope)
> people
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Not my Kid
()
Date: May 06, 2012 10:36AM
How ironic...the Voice of Reason and Atticus Finch have departed, but the retards GordonBlvd and WingNut, with their rich revenge fantasy lives, remain...AND GordonBlvd keeps posting her little video clips...
Ive gotten the rage of the pedo community - how cute LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 06, 2012 12:05PM
my card
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Back to Forum
()
Date: May 06, 2012 01:10PM
Has it occured to you Gordon that you're being trolled?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 06, 2012 11:28PM
Back to Forum Wrote:
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> Has it occured to you Gordon that you're being
> trolled?
Has it occurred to you Mike Gardner's friends still support him? He is known to run with sexual deviants.
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> Has it occured to you Gordon that you're being
> trolled?
Has it occurred to you Mike Gardner's friends still support him? He is known to run with sexual deviants.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dell
()
Date: May 07, 2012 12:00AM
"He is known to run with sexual deviants"
No kidding? Well, if you know the names of these "deviants," why don't you hasten yourself to the police and report to them, instead of wasting time here.
It's easier and braver for you to post stupid videos and make random anomymous charges...
No kidding? Well, if you know the names of these "deviants," why don't you hasten yourself to the police and report to them, instead of wasting time here.
It's easier and braver for you to post stupid videos and make random anomymous charges...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 07, 2012 09:24AM
Dell Wrote:
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> "He is known to run with sexual deviants"
>
> No kidding? Well, if you know the names of these
> "deviants," why don't you hasten yourself to the
> police and report to them, instead of wasting time
> here.
Are you stupid enough to believe that all sexual deviancy is illegal? I bet you are.
http://nfbenton.com/archives/category/bentons-gay-science
> It's easier and braver for you to post stupid
> videos and make random anomymous charges...
I posted no videos. You are talking pretty brave for a guy that listed his real name. Oh, wait....
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> "He is known to run with sexual deviants"
>
> No kidding? Well, if you know the names of these
> "deviants," why don't you hasten yourself to the
> police and report to them, instead of wasting time
> here.
Are you stupid enough to believe that all sexual deviancy is illegal? I bet you are.
http://nfbenton.com/archives/category/bentons-gay-science
> It's easier and braver for you to post stupid
> videos and make random anomymous charges...
I posted no videos. You are talking pretty brave for a guy that listed his real name. Oh, wait....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Playground
()
Date: May 07, 2012 09:43AM
"You are talking pretty brave for a guy that listed his real name. Oh, wait...."
This, coming from a person who plants an anonymous rumor about Gardner's "deviant friends?"
And then you post a link listing your own favorite deviancies?
That's funny.
This, coming from a person who plants an anonymous rumor about Gardner's "deviant friends?"
And then you post a link listing your own favorite deviancies?
That's funny.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 07, 2012 09:52AM
Falls Church Playground Wrote:
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> "You are talking pretty brave for a guy that
> listed his real name. Oh, wait...."
>
>
>
>
> This, coming from a person who plants an anonymous
> rumor about Gardner's "deviant friends?"
It isn't a rumor. The deviant confirms it himself.
> And then you post a link listing your own favorite
> deviancies?
OMG! Did someone on the internet just call me gay?!?!? Are you always so original or did you get some burst of inspiration this morning?
> That's funny.
As funny as your pal Mike getting 20+ years? Or, as funny as your friend Nick coming to his side?
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> "You are talking pretty brave for a guy that
> listed his real name. Oh, wait...."
>
>
>
>
> This, coming from a person who plants an anonymous
> rumor about Gardner's "deviant friends?"
It isn't a rumor. The deviant confirms it himself.
> And then you post a link listing your own favorite
> deviancies?
OMG! Did someone on the internet just call me gay?!?!? Are you always so original or did you get some burst of inspiration this morning?
> That's funny.
As funny as your pal Mike getting 20+ years? Or, as funny as your friend Nick coming to his side?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 07, 2012 10:28AM
@Falls Church: I think it's as funny as him/her saying you are me just for disagreeing with him/her LoLz
and about "sexual deviancy": they just think it's all illegal since their particular type of sexual deviancy is, y'know?
@backto - yea............still dont know why it's such a pastime, though.
so when's sentencing?
and about "sexual deviancy": they just think it's all illegal since their particular type of sexual deviancy is, y'know?
@backto - yea............still dont know why it's such a pastime, though.
so when's sentencing?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Playground
()
Date: May 07, 2012 03:01PM
"As funny as your pal Mike getting 20+ years? Or, as funny as your friend Nick coming to his side?"
You obviously didn't major in forensics in high school...
Actually, I'm not a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile, don't know either Mike or Nick, so I wouldn't say we were pals or friends...but thanks your attempt at witty discorse, thanks for playing, and by all means, continue on with your fantasy...
BTW...nobody called you gay...you just brought that up yourself...hmmm
I surrender the "funny" crown to you...
You obviously didn't major in forensics in high school...
Actually, I'm not a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile, don't know either Mike or Nick, so I wouldn't say we were pals or friends...but thanks your attempt at witty discorse, thanks for playing, and by all means, continue on with your fantasy...
BTW...nobody called you gay...you just brought that up yourself...hmmm
I surrender the "funny" crown to you...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
press reports
()
Date: May 07, 2012 03:13PM
To be honest, from reading the press reports and the back and forth in this thread, one still doesn't have a good idea of the dynamics of the trial. It strikes me the defendant's defense was in the nature of the state simply isn't meeting their burden of proof. Did the defendant take the stand? And while it would be very difficult for a prosecutor to have admitted at trial evidence of prior similar acts (no prior arrests or convictions), the prosecution must have had some sense of his background - indeed - this could come out at sentencing because standards at sentencing are far different than trial.
In any event, I wonder if anyone who attended the trial or followed it closely could inform. What was it that convicted this guy?
In any event, I wonder if anyone who attended the trial or followed it closely could inform. What was it that convicted this guy?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 07, 2012 03:22PM
Falls Church Playground Wrote:
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> "As funny as your pal Mike getting 20+ years? Or,
> as funny as your friend Nick coming to his side?"
>
> You obviously didn't major in forensics in high
> school...
Like most people, I didn't major in anything in high school. Also, with this comment, are you somehow implying you possess some superior debate skills as evidenced by your performance in this thread? LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
> Actually, I'm not a catamite, sodomite, or
> paedophile, don't know either Mike or Nick, so I
> wouldn't say we were pals or friends...but thanks
> your attempt at witty discorse, thanks for
> playing, and by all means, continue on with your
> fantasy...
To which fantasy are you referrring? I do not believe that I presented any fantasy throughout this discorse (sic).
Oh, nobody accused you of being a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Why the rush and need to defend yourself? hmmm...
> BTW...nobody called you gay...you just brought
> that up yourself...hmmm
Umm, you might want to follow along better.
You implied that I posted "a link listing [my] own favorite deviancies." The link was to Nick Benton's Gay Science.
To summarize, you implied my favorite deviancy was being gay.
Plus, you fell right into your own trap by rushing to claim you aren't a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Now it makes it easy to turn it right back around on you. Except here, I am correct that nobody accused you of those activities whereas you weren't.
For a guy who majored in forensics, this whole debate thing seems difficult for you.
> I surrender the "funny" crown to you...
You never owned it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "As funny as your pal Mike getting 20+ years? Or,
> as funny as your friend Nick coming to his side?"
>
> You obviously didn't major in forensics in high
> school...
Like most people, I didn't major in anything in high school. Also, with this comment, are you somehow implying you possess some superior debate skills as evidenced by your performance in this thread? LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
> Actually, I'm not a catamite, sodomite, or
> paedophile, don't know either Mike or Nick, so I
> wouldn't say we were pals or friends...but thanks
> your attempt at witty discorse, thanks for
> playing, and by all means, continue on with your
> fantasy...
To which fantasy are you referrring? I do not believe that I presented any fantasy throughout this discorse (sic).
Oh, nobody accused you of being a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Why the rush and need to defend yourself? hmmm...
> BTW...nobody called you gay...you just brought
> that up yourself...hmmm
Umm, you might want to follow along better.
You implied that I posted "a link listing [my] own favorite deviancies." The link was to Nick Benton's Gay Science.
To summarize, you implied my favorite deviancy was being gay.
Plus, you fell right into your own trap by rushing to claim you aren't a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Now it makes it easy to turn it right back around on you. Except here, I am correct that nobody accused you of those activities whereas you weren't.
For a guy who majored in forensics, this whole debate thing seems difficult for you.
> I surrender the "funny" crown to you...
You never owned it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
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Date: May 07, 2012 04:08PM
Mr. Gardner testified. I believe he was convicted because a. this type of crime almost always leads to a conviction. b. the girls in this case were credible, but more than that, the DNA supported their accounts. I'm guessing that's why they could get to a unanamous decision on the one girl, no DNA, and he'll have to face that charge again in September.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Voice of Reason
()
Date: May 07, 2012 04:09PM
*could NOT
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
press reports
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Date: May 07, 2012 04:44PM
Voice - there were some physicians reports, too, correct? One of the girls visited a physician promptly thereafter? That kind of evidence would be very persuasive among the testimony and DNA reports. But again, it is difficult to grasp a theme of the case. Did he repeatedly visit the room? I find it hard to believe he went from one girl to another without waking up the entire room.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 07, 2012 04:58PM
@press - what voice said. What convicted him was that Gardner committed the crime and left his evidence on the kid's panties. That coupled with the fact the girls where brave enough to tell what happened and cops did their job securing and handling all the evidence (that wasnt hidden, anyways) properly.
@Falls Church - I beg to differ. Him being up at 1 in the morning online defending pedobear? That's pretty funny, yo. You gotta picture the reality of it, my friend...........see what I mean?
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@Falls Church - I beg to differ. Him being up at 1 in the morning online defending pedobear? That's pretty funny, yo. You gotta picture the reality of it, my friend...........see what I mean?
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 07, 2012 05:09PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Father
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Date: May 07, 2012 08:20PM
As someone who had to testify, I could not sit in on most of the trial, but I did get to sit in on the closing arguments and have spoken to those who did attend. What you had was three girls testifying about events that occurred, two of which had DNA evidence to support exactly what they said happened. And Gardner's only defense was to say that he didn't do it. They tried to say that it was too dark in the basement for the girls to see who it was, but that was dispelled by one of the defense's own witnesses as well as the judge looking up that it was clear and a full moon on the night of the incident and the basement has large windows. They tried to say that when you enter a persons home, you are "swimming in a DNA pool" and although that could conceivably(not really according to the experts) explain DNA found on the outside of things, DNA does not migrate so does not explain why it was found on the inside of one girls underwear or why if what they tried to say was true -that it was from the "Pool of DNA"-why his wife and kids or anybody else's DNA was not also found.
In the one sample that was 20.7 quadrillion times more likely him than anyone else, 25% of the DNA sample that was recovered belonged to Michael Gardner the other 75% belonged to the girl. There was no DNA from anybody else. One expert testified that to get a sample where so much came from the Defendant, it had to be wet DNA meaning from sweat, tears, saliva etc. Considering what he did, it is not hard to imagine where that wet DNA came from. The defense did not present any of their own expert witnesses. I presume this is because they could not find any that would be helpful to them. Gardner was hoping that somehow the burden of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" would not be met.
By the way, a pet peeve of mine, it is not "innocent" until proven guilty, it is "presumed innocent" until proven guilty. A person is guilty when they commit an illegal act and being found guilty or not at trial does not change that. Benjamin Franklin wrote "it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer". And I suspect that is at least how many guilty people escape for every innocent person convicted.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is an extremely high threshold. Just look at the one charge the jury deadlocked on. Without the DNA backing up her story, the defense was able to point out a few inconsistencies in a 10yr old girl's story over the course of the 10 months that this ordeal took that at least one of the jury had a reasonable doubt. I would bet that all of them were at least pretty sure he did it, but in our judicial system, "pretty sure" is not sufficient.
When that charge gets retried, he may get several more years added to his sentence. A new trial date for that charge will be set at sentencing.
Sentencing is Sept 7 and Judge Benjamin Kendrick is not known to reduce jury recommendations. Maximum Benny is a nickname of his.
P.S. Gardner did not have any prior convictions, but if you talk to experts on the subject, and I have with several, they will tell you a 47 yr old man does not just suddenly start molesting children. I saw one statistic that it is believed a pedophile commits on average more than 100 offenses before being caught.
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In the one sample that was 20.7 quadrillion times more likely him than anyone else, 25% of the DNA sample that was recovered belonged to Michael Gardner the other 75% belonged to the girl. There was no DNA from anybody else. One expert testified that to get a sample where so much came from the Defendant, it had to be wet DNA meaning from sweat, tears, saliva etc. Considering what he did, it is not hard to imagine where that wet DNA came from. The defense did not present any of their own expert witnesses. I presume this is because they could not find any that would be helpful to them. Gardner was hoping that somehow the burden of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" would not be met.
By the way, a pet peeve of mine, it is not "innocent" until proven guilty, it is "presumed innocent" until proven guilty. A person is guilty when they commit an illegal act and being found guilty or not at trial does not change that. Benjamin Franklin wrote "it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer". And I suspect that is at least how many guilty people escape for every innocent person convicted.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is an extremely high threshold. Just look at the one charge the jury deadlocked on. Without the DNA backing up her story, the defense was able to point out a few inconsistencies in a 10yr old girl's story over the course of the 10 months that this ordeal took that at least one of the jury had a reasonable doubt. I would bet that all of them were at least pretty sure he did it, but in our judicial system, "pretty sure" is not sufficient.
When that charge gets retried, he may get several more years added to his sentence. A new trial date for that charge will be set at sentencing.
Sentencing is Sept 7 and Judge Benjamin Kendrick is not known to reduce jury recommendations. Maximum Benny is a nickname of his.
P.S. Gardner did not have any prior convictions, but if you talk to experts on the subject, and I have with several, they will tell you a 47 yr old man does not just suddenly start molesting children. I saw one statistic that it is believed a pedophile commits on average more than 100 offenses before being caught.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Playground
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Date: May 07, 2012 10:00PM
Falls Church Playground Wrote:
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> "As funny as your pal Mike getting 20+ years? Or,
> as funny as your friend Nick coming to his side?"
>
> You obviously didn't major in forensics in high
> school...
Like most people, I didn't major in anything in high school. Also, with this comment, are you somehow implying you possess some superior debate skills as evidenced by your performance in this thread? LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
> Actually, I'm not a catamite, sodomite, or
> paedophile, don't know either Mike or Nick, so I
> wouldn't say we were pals or friends...but thanks
> your attempt at witty discorse, thanks for
> playing, and by all means, continue on with your
> fantasy...
To which fantasy are you referrring? I do not believe that I presented any fantasy throughout this discorse (sic).
Oh, nobody accused you of being a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Why the rush and need to defend yourself? hmmm...
> BTW...nobody called you gay...you just brought
> that up yourself...hmmm
Umm, you might want to follow along better.
You implied that I posted "a link listing [my] own favorite deviancies." The link was to Nick Benton's Gay Science.
To summarize, you implied my favorite deviancy was being gay.
Plus, you fell right into your own trap by rushing to claim you aren't a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Now it makes it easy to turn it right back around on you. Except here, I am correct that nobody accused you of those activities whereas you weren't.
For a guy who majored in forensics, this whole debate thing seems difficult for you.
> I surrender the "funny" crown to you...
You never owned it.
Falls Church, how much time did you waste, trying to rebutt me, line by line? Amazing. Agreed, I'm just the pretender to the Funny Crown...I could never rise to your stellar debate skill level..LOL
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> "As funny as your pal Mike getting 20+ years? Or,
> as funny as your friend Nick coming to his side?"
>
> You obviously didn't major in forensics in high
> school...
Like most people, I didn't major in anything in high school. Also, with this comment, are you somehow implying you possess some superior debate skills as evidenced by your performance in this thread? LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
> Actually, I'm not a catamite, sodomite, or
> paedophile, don't know either Mike or Nick, so I
> wouldn't say we were pals or friends...but thanks
> your attempt at witty discorse, thanks for
> playing, and by all means, continue on with your
> fantasy...
To which fantasy are you referrring? I do not believe that I presented any fantasy throughout this discorse (sic).
Oh, nobody accused you of being a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Why the rush and need to defend yourself? hmmm...
> BTW...nobody called you gay...you just brought
> that up yourself...hmmm
Umm, you might want to follow along better.
You implied that I posted "a link listing [my] own favorite deviancies." The link was to Nick Benton's Gay Science.
To summarize, you implied my favorite deviancy was being gay.
Plus, you fell right into your own trap by rushing to claim you aren't a catamite, sodomite, or paedophile. Now it makes it easy to turn it right back around on you. Except here, I am correct that nobody accused you of those activities whereas you weren't.
For a guy who majored in forensics, this whole debate thing seems difficult for you.
> I surrender the "funny" crown to you...
You never owned it.
Falls Church, how much time did you waste, trying to rebutt me, line by line? Amazing. Agreed, I'm just the pretender to the Funny Crown...I could never rise to your stellar debate skill level..LOL
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 08, 2012 08:52AM
@Father-
Hey my wishes go out to you and your family, I imagine it's a really terrible ordeal to have to fuck around with. Your daughter showed a lot of strength for coming forawrd and hopefully she'll show some serious resilence but still be able to enjoy being a kid while she is.
I forgot there was to be a retrial on the deadlocked count, so technically they may not be done with this until 2013 sometime. I would normally be against trying this charge because the man already faces such a huge sentence, but they might as well pile it on.
Gardner may wind up with another 5-7 years tacked on top of the likely 22 that he'll get. Ouch.
Hey my wishes go out to you and your family, I imagine it's a really terrible ordeal to have to fuck around with. Your daughter showed a lot of strength for coming forawrd and hopefully she'll show some serious resilence but still be able to enjoy being a kid while she is.
I forgot there was to be a retrial on the deadlocked count, so technically they may not be done with this until 2013 sometime. I would normally be against trying this charge because the man already faces such a huge sentence, but they might as well pile it on.
Gardner may wind up with another 5-7 years tacked on top of the likely 22 that he'll get. Ouch.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 08, 2012 09:34AM
@wingnut- I'm all for it :)
@playground - see? told ya ! LoLz
@father or anybody in the know - is Gardner like separated from the rest of the "pack" over there in Clarendontown?
@playground - see? told ya ! LoLz
@father or anybody in the know - is Gardner like separated from the rest of the "pack" over there in Clarendontown?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Father
()
Date: May 08, 2012 09:56AM
Initially he may be on suicide watch which I was told involves a room with nothing in it but a minimalistic toilet, a paper jump suit, and a glass wall facing a guards work station.
I've also been told he will be separated from the main prison population with others of his kind as they don't fare to well in the general prison population. I forget where.
Also, I could see him plea bargaining on the last charge in exchange for only one more year or something, but I also thought he would have plea bargained before or even during the trial, so I won't hold my breath.
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I've also been told he will be separated from the main prison population with others of his kind as they don't fare to well in the general prison population. I forget where.
Also, I could see him plea bargaining on the last charge in exchange for only one more year or something, but I also thought he would have plea bargained before or even during the trial, so I won't hold my breath.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 08, 2012 09:57AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 08, 2012 10:03AM
Falls Church Playground Wrote:
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> Falls Church, how much time did you waste, trying
> to rebutt me, line by line? Amazing. Agreed, I'm
> just the pretender to the Funny Crown...I could
> never rise to your stellar debate skill level..LOL
About 30 seconds, but I won't make fun of you for being slow. Besides, your stupidity has earned at least 30 seconds of my time. Don't you think? Well, I know you don't think, but at least you can agree.
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> Falls Church, how much time did you waste, trying
> to rebutt me, line by line? Amazing. Agreed, I'm
> just the pretender to the Funny Crown...I could
> never rise to your stellar debate skill level..LOL
About 30 seconds, but I won't make fun of you for being slow. Besides, your stupidity has earned at least 30 seconds of my time. Don't you think? Well, I know you don't think, but at least you can agree.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 08, 2012 10:10AM
@ Father-
I'm just curious if you are privvy to whether the CA offered a plea to spare the victims from testifying.
I said here before that I highly suspefct that they would have offered him one. And that Gardner arrogantly moved forward with an unwinnable defense.
I'm just curious if you are privvy to whether the CA offered a plea to spare the victims from testifying.
I said here before that I highly suspefct that they would have offered him one. And that Gardner arrogantly moved forward with an unwinnable defense.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Father
()
Date: May 08, 2012 10:34AM
You nailed it. He arrogantly moved forward without any defense to speak of and never sought a plea bargain. He did get an extra 10 months of freedom out of the deal at a cost of probably close to a million dollars as some lawyer friends have estimated. My daughter's first comment when she was told who Gardner had gotten as a lawyer and who Greenspun was, was "Doesn't that just make him look more guilty?" I had to agree.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 08, 2012 10:43AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Father
()
Date: May 08, 2012 10:46AM
He survived some kind of cancer a few years ago that left his lymph nodes messed up. He is very susceptible to infections. This came up during the trial.
He very possibly won't make it 22 yrs in prison.
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He very possibly won't make it 22 yrs in prison.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 08, 2012 10:56AM
Father Wrote:
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> He very possibly won't make it 22 yrs in prison.
Aww, I am heartbroken.
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> He very possibly won't make it 22 yrs in prison.
Aww, I am heartbroken.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 08, 2012 11:19AM
Cancer and prison medical care do not mix.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Viscount Monteforte d_Alsace
()
Date: May 08, 2012 11:23AM
Falls Church Wrote:
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> Father Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He very possibly won't make it 22 yrs in
> prison.
>
> Aww, I am heartbroken.
He's going to get all the lovin' he can handle....
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> Father Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He very possibly won't make it 22 yrs in
> prison.
>
> Aww, I am heartbroken.
He's going to get all the lovin' he can handle....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
press reports
()
Date: May 08, 2012 11:27AM
Father - your post is exceedingly informative. The fact that the scientific evidence conformed to the testimony obviously made a difference. I feel apologetic that you felt compelled to answer my queries, as this event has to be painful for you and your family.
By the way, while I can understand the emotions behing Gordon Blvd's and Wingnut's posts, I think that in their righteous (and frankly rightful) indignation they are not an addressing a key point. Just what the heck are we supposed to do with these kind of criminals? The science and behavioral studies reflect an incredible rate of recidivism for these kinds of offenders. I suppose we can, as it is likely to be the case here, lock them up for essentially life, but that is hardly a realistic prospect for all cases. Anyone want to bet that if Gardner plea bargained and did not take a chance at trial what kind of sentence he could have received, especially with the high quality of counsel he engaged? A lot less than he is going to receive, is my guess. Do three year sentences stop this kind of behavior? The statistics are depressing. And it would have been a very attractive prospect to have these brave ten year old girls forego a trial, making the incentives to plea bargain on the prosecution side compelling.
This is a reminder that appearances can be deceiving, and that caring adults must be vigilant, even if at times they come off as overprotective nutjobs.
By the way, while I can understand the emotions behing Gordon Blvd's and Wingnut's posts, I think that in their righteous (and frankly rightful) indignation they are not an addressing a key point. Just what the heck are we supposed to do with these kind of criminals? The science and behavioral studies reflect an incredible rate of recidivism for these kinds of offenders. I suppose we can, as it is likely to be the case here, lock them up for essentially life, but that is hardly a realistic prospect for all cases. Anyone want to bet that if Gardner plea bargained and did not take a chance at trial what kind of sentence he could have received, especially with the high quality of counsel he engaged? A lot less than he is going to receive, is my guess. Do three year sentences stop this kind of behavior? The statistics are depressing. And it would have been a very attractive prospect to have these brave ten year old girls forego a trial, making the incentives to plea bargain on the prosecution side compelling.
This is a reminder that appearances can be deceiving, and that caring adults must be vigilant, even if at times they come off as overprotective nutjobs.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: May 08, 2012 11:55AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
press reports
()
Date: May 08, 2012 02:37PM
WingNut - I have posted under other names. But I have always maintained you are one intelligent guy - rare - in fact - because the street smarts go along with the analytic intelligence. I suspect that you might say you haven't arrived at this position via an easy road - but no matter - I appreciate the dialog and insights. And as I say above, I "get" why you would be passionate about this issue. For what it is worth, I am in the same state of flux as exactly what do with pedophiles.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Wing Blvd
()
Date: May 08, 2012 02:40PM
What do you do with pedophiles? You shoot them in the face, then burn them to ash in an all-redeming fire...that's what you do!
Anyone who says otherwise is a friend of the pedo-fags, and they deserve the same treatment!
Anyone who says otherwise is a friend of the pedo-fags, and they deserve the same treatment!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 08, 2012 03:12PM
@press - I'll tell you something. I'm not that smart. Not that smart at all. Never gonna be the hottest burger on the grill. And still to this day have no idea why God would allow me to be a parent.
When my boys were young, I was out west with them, doing the single parent thing. While I was out there, this happened.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002900190_webgroene30.html
I always imagined before that incident that if anything like that happened to the boys, I'd not care about spending the rest of my life in jail for killing him, and could NOT understand how other parents could settle for less. t losing my kids.
Then I saw Shasta's dad on the TV - and he taught me what being a father was TRULY all about and how I guess sometimes you have to dig deep. That's the only way I can put it.
all I know is that if he, and guys like Father can follow the pathway of law - then I cant dare do any less no matter what I feel.
All that being said, there is ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING WAY that Gardner will ever be nothing but a THREAT to ALL children.
I can excuse all types of fantasy, no matter how sick in the head it is..........but to bring something like that into REALITY without a consenting partner...........yeah, a person like that is too far gone, cant be helped. No matter what happens , Gardner can be 80-some years old when he gets out, but YOU BETTER ALL BEST KNOW that he will STILL be a risk to children and would do this EXACT same crime again if he was given the chance and knew he could get away with it. At at this EXACT moment you are reading this sentence, Michael Gardner, IF HE COULD, would DEFINITELY do the same thing with any little girl he could come in private contact with, if he believed he could get away with doing it. He WILL continue with that mentality until he dies. He would do this even though he has gone thru this ordeal. If, somehow, right this minute, Michael Gardner could have access to a child and could molester her, he WOULD do it if he could get away with it. Why? Because thats how pedos work - their dicks supersede EVERYTHING
Tell me I am wrong. Gimmie a link shows me different. As for what to do about it? I tell you what I do. Make sure yr kids can tell you crap like this. I've dated girls who've been molested before and have told parents and be told to fuck off, prettymuch. Another girl never told cause she felt she would have been called a slut for being raped back when she was a kid cause her mom was all "high morals". Sad shit but it's real as a heart attack.
Lotsa pedos get away cause the kids dont tell, are afraid to tell. If you run a household make sure yr kids know about bad touch, how they can tell you ANYTHING if they are sad, how if anything does happen that it's not their fault, and how that if someone threatens you the parent (cause that happens too-kid takes abuse to protect fam) to let you know so you can set them on fire or whatever........you know what I mean.
Ok, off my soapbox
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When my boys were young, I was out west with them, doing the single parent thing. While I was out there, this happened.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002900190_webgroene30.html
I always imagined before that incident that if anything like that happened to the boys, I'd not care about spending the rest of my life in jail for killing him, and could NOT understand how other parents could settle for less. t losing my kids.
Then I saw Shasta's dad on the TV - and he taught me what being a father was TRULY all about and how I guess sometimes you have to dig deep. That's the only way I can put it.
all I know is that if he, and guys like Father can follow the pathway of law - then I cant dare do any less no matter what I feel.
All that being said, there is ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING WAY that Gardner will ever be nothing but a THREAT to ALL children.
I can excuse all types of fantasy, no matter how sick in the head it is..........but to bring something like that into REALITY without a consenting partner...........yeah, a person like that is too far gone, cant be helped. No matter what happens , Gardner can be 80-some years old when he gets out, but YOU BETTER ALL BEST KNOW that he will STILL be a risk to children and would do this EXACT same crime again if he was given the chance and knew he could get away with it. At at this EXACT moment you are reading this sentence, Michael Gardner, IF HE COULD, would DEFINITELY do the same thing with any little girl he could come in private contact with, if he believed he could get away with doing it. He WILL continue with that mentality until he dies. He would do this even though he has gone thru this ordeal. If, somehow, right this minute, Michael Gardner could have access to a child and could molester her, he WOULD do it if he could get away with it. Why? Because thats how pedos work - their dicks supersede EVERYTHING
Tell me I am wrong. Gimmie a link shows me different. As for what to do about it? I tell you what I do. Make sure yr kids can tell you crap like this. I've dated girls who've been molested before and have told parents and be told to fuck off, prettymuch. Another girl never told cause she felt she would have been called a slut for being raped back when she was a kid cause her mom was all "high morals". Sad shit but it's real as a heart attack.
Lotsa pedos get away cause the kids dont tell, are afraid to tell. If you run a household make sure yr kids know about bad touch, how they can tell you ANYTHING if they are sad, how if anything does happen that it's not their fault, and how that if someone threatens you the parent (cause that happens too-kid takes abuse to protect fam) to let you know so you can set them on fire or whatever........you know what I mean.
Ok, off my soapbox
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/08/2012 03:13PM by Gordon Blvd.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
RedPop
()
Date: May 08, 2012 04:37PM
It doesn't totally add up that Gardner at age 47 would just start suddenly molesting little girls. No convictions, but what was he doing to satisfy these deviant impulses?? His laptop was never recovered?? We are missing some details. Was he messing with his own kids??
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Beyond Over-Overprotective Mom
()
Date: May 09, 2012 12:25AM
After going through all of this for months, it's such a relief to be able to sleep at night (unmedicated), and to wake up every morning knowing that this bogeyman is in jail -- wondering (but not caring) how he's enjoying his time. For those involved in this lively discourse, there is so much information that was never published in the news (and I use that term lightly in regards to the FCNP, who should be ashamed of themselves).
For those doubters out there, while the girls certainly could have been making this up, to our absolute horror, they were not. Physical evidence was found exactly where they said they'd find it. Even if she could have lied while she was awake, at least one girl's dramatically altered behavior while she sleeps does not lie. One of the girls, after four hours on the stand, was goaded into saying she didn't see Mr. G, but it doesn't change how detailed her identification of him was right after the incident. The fact that it was explained to another of the girls, when taking her to the FCPD, that she would be telling the truth – no matter how embarassing – and standing up to do the right thing, aka helping the police, does not mean that she was making things up to participate in a conspiracy. This poor kid, sleeping in between the two other girls during the sleepover, was likely spared that night since he had already addressed her the night before. The fact that the girls were well-spoken and could use adult words does not mean that they were coached; they absolutely were not, as their shocked parents watching their police interviews can attest.
Much was implied by the fact that they didn't scream or cry at the time of the event -- which is ridiculous since they couldn't believe what was happening and certainly didn't know what to do about it. It was also suggested they were lying because they did not tell someone in the house the next morning; instead, they told the first adults they trusted the next morning -- which, oddly enough, was not Mrs. G, since it was into her care that they had been entrusted. Much was made of a vast conspiracy to bring this family down, but two little girls briefly conferring the next morning to make sure that they weren't dreaming only makes sense. These girls told their parents within 20 minutes of being picked up (one before they were out of the driveway), and one of them, when advised of the painful and embarassing exam that would be required, still said "then we have to go, mom." If that's not brave, I don't know what is.
Amazingly, the defendant's own daughter was the turning point of the trial - after she stopped testifying as prepared and began telling things as she actually recalled them, she bolstered the testimony of the girls, not her parents. So much so that the prosecution didn't even need to put her through the stress of cross-examination. Though the DNA evidence was the clincher here, because there would likely not have been a conviction without it, the defense's failure to bring an expert to controvert Dr. Perlin's testimony really says it all. If there had been one out there, they would have spared no expense to present them. The fact that the defendant took the stand doesn't mean he isn't guilty -- as an attorney, he just knew that jurors prefer to actually hear defendants say they didn't do it. He'll have plenty of time to use those expired attorney credentials helping the other inmates file their motions from prison.
While I know that prisons are violent places, I will not lose one moment's peace worrying about his welfare -- and cannot apologize for my attitude. These girls will never be the same, and neither will their parents. All of the counseling in the world will not change what happened. Moving forward with therapy and keeping a positive outlook is great, and the girls are doing this admirably; however, as their parents, even though he's locked up, we will not forget the terrible things his wife said about these girls and how the FCNP (and possibly Mrs. G) even had school administrators thinking the charges would be dismissed, while the parents could not speak publicly about the case for fear of contaminating the jury pool and giving grounds for a change of venue.
To those of you with kids, simply put, no sleepovers ever is the safest bet. This is not an overreaction. For one of the girls, this was the only place she had ever been allowed to stay (without a parent outside of her home), and this still happened -- even with 7 other girls in the same room. If any of us was considered overprotective before, we're sure to be considered zealously overprotective now -- since one of our worst fears has been realized. Also, if something like this ever happens to your child (heaven forbid), be sure to handle and bag the evidence appropriately; it made all of the difference in this case.
To those of you suggesting that we should've known the family better, not only were they FC's "first family," some of the parents knew the family for over three years (or as many as five years), some had been to their home for parties, etc., and the defendant's daughter had spent untold hours at all of these homes. We still could not have conceived of this happening in a room full of kids. He really should have gone with an insanity defense, because you'd have to be stark raving insane to think that you could do this and actually get away with it.
I'm sure no one wants to hear it, but the mantra for other parents throughout this ordeal has been "it could happen to you." I can only hope that the school system and community will do its best to support these girls, and prevent things like allowing Mrs. G into the classrooms with these girls (this actually happened) or making them sit through Career Day listening to her as a role model (this also happened). Her kids have been through the wringer, too, but that doesn't diminish what happened to these three little girls. And she should certainly not be allowed to chaperone school events, entrusting kids to her care, after her deplorable behavior here.
In case you're thinking that the ex-mayor is a poor, maligned woman, please keep in mind that on more than one occasion, when having girls sleep over at her house, she had male guests in attendance overnight and didn't see fit to advise the parents in advance -- seeing nothing wrong with this. She made much of the fact that she left them in a pitch-black basement while she slept on the second floor with two adult men in the house. And if she was petty and vindictive towards the kids involved, it's almost laughable how she treated the Falls Church police in her role as Councilwoman. She was reportedly not above using her position to retaliate against the police and the investigation, as the only member of the Council to vote against the department getting new motorcycles as part of a grant program (which wouldn't have cost the city itself anything).
She and her husband are both despicable, and if she was not directly responsible (which I would argue that she was), she was certainly an enabler and should be called to account for it. When comparing notes after the trial, it became obvious that certain behaviors of her kids, as well as something that happened with Mr. G at his home in the past and the testimony of one of the defense's own juvenile witnesses, certainly indicated that something was wrong. Unfortunately, no one was privy to all of this information before the sleepover. At this point, it's absolutely inconceivable that this was his first venture -- these girls were just the first ones to come forward. You know you're in for a fight when a PTA president (former?) testifies as a character witness to change the defendant's bail conditions to have more time with his kids -- and as it turns out, enjoy his last holidays with them.
To WingNut, thanks for the supportive insight; always engaging and witty commentary. To press reports, thanks for your last message; it helped to soften your prior posts. To hmm, glad to see that you finally came around ... and I believe that Mr. Greenspun's son was advised by one of the parents that he was acting inappropriately during the trial, which was why his seating was changed. To voice of reason, while I see your points, it should be obvious that people are venting about an emotionally-charged issue on this page; rather than being upset by that, and construing their comments to be truly violent, it's best to take such things with a grain of salt (but don't bother with the Raid). And to GordonBlvd, please know that your message to the girls got to one of them, and you got a shy smile and helped her to walk a bit taller that day.
The continued commentary on this site has been cathartic -- thanks to all who joined in the discussion. Even the uninformed and those with what could be perceived as a pro-defense stance. The whole thing has just been disgusting, but seeing the discourse has helped. I thought I could understand how people who had been through such an event might feel, but I wasn't even close. My heart will always go out to those kids who step forward and tell the truth about abuse, and even more so to those who don't have the strength to come forward. And to the parents, whose guilt will haunt them always; you are not alone.
Best wishes to all.
For those doubters out there, while the girls certainly could have been making this up, to our absolute horror, they were not. Physical evidence was found exactly where they said they'd find it. Even if she could have lied while she was awake, at least one girl's dramatically altered behavior while she sleeps does not lie. One of the girls, after four hours on the stand, was goaded into saying she didn't see Mr. G, but it doesn't change how detailed her identification of him was right after the incident. The fact that it was explained to another of the girls, when taking her to the FCPD, that she would be telling the truth – no matter how embarassing – and standing up to do the right thing, aka helping the police, does not mean that she was making things up to participate in a conspiracy. This poor kid, sleeping in between the two other girls during the sleepover, was likely spared that night since he had already addressed her the night before. The fact that the girls were well-spoken and could use adult words does not mean that they were coached; they absolutely were not, as their shocked parents watching their police interviews can attest.
Much was implied by the fact that they didn't scream or cry at the time of the event -- which is ridiculous since they couldn't believe what was happening and certainly didn't know what to do about it. It was also suggested they were lying because they did not tell someone in the house the next morning; instead, they told the first adults they trusted the next morning -- which, oddly enough, was not Mrs. G, since it was into her care that they had been entrusted. Much was made of a vast conspiracy to bring this family down, but two little girls briefly conferring the next morning to make sure that they weren't dreaming only makes sense. These girls told their parents within 20 minutes of being picked up (one before they were out of the driveway), and one of them, when advised of the painful and embarassing exam that would be required, still said "then we have to go, mom." If that's not brave, I don't know what is.
Amazingly, the defendant's own daughter was the turning point of the trial - after she stopped testifying as prepared and began telling things as she actually recalled them, she bolstered the testimony of the girls, not her parents. So much so that the prosecution didn't even need to put her through the stress of cross-examination. Though the DNA evidence was the clincher here, because there would likely not have been a conviction without it, the defense's failure to bring an expert to controvert Dr. Perlin's testimony really says it all. If there had been one out there, they would have spared no expense to present them. The fact that the defendant took the stand doesn't mean he isn't guilty -- as an attorney, he just knew that jurors prefer to actually hear defendants say they didn't do it. He'll have plenty of time to use those expired attorney credentials helping the other inmates file their motions from prison.
While I know that prisons are violent places, I will not lose one moment's peace worrying about his welfare -- and cannot apologize for my attitude. These girls will never be the same, and neither will their parents. All of the counseling in the world will not change what happened. Moving forward with therapy and keeping a positive outlook is great, and the girls are doing this admirably; however, as their parents, even though he's locked up, we will not forget the terrible things his wife said about these girls and how the FCNP (and possibly Mrs. G) even had school administrators thinking the charges would be dismissed, while the parents could not speak publicly about the case for fear of contaminating the jury pool and giving grounds for a change of venue.
To those of you with kids, simply put, no sleepovers ever is the safest bet. This is not an overreaction. For one of the girls, this was the only place she had ever been allowed to stay (without a parent outside of her home), and this still happened -- even with 7 other girls in the same room. If any of us was considered overprotective before, we're sure to be considered zealously overprotective now -- since one of our worst fears has been realized. Also, if something like this ever happens to your child (heaven forbid), be sure to handle and bag the evidence appropriately; it made all of the difference in this case.
To those of you suggesting that we should've known the family better, not only were they FC's "first family," some of the parents knew the family for over three years (or as many as five years), some had been to their home for parties, etc., and the defendant's daughter had spent untold hours at all of these homes. We still could not have conceived of this happening in a room full of kids. He really should have gone with an insanity defense, because you'd have to be stark raving insane to think that you could do this and actually get away with it.
I'm sure no one wants to hear it, but the mantra for other parents throughout this ordeal has been "it could happen to you." I can only hope that the school system and community will do its best to support these girls, and prevent things like allowing Mrs. G into the classrooms with these girls (this actually happened) or making them sit through Career Day listening to her as a role model (this also happened). Her kids have been through the wringer, too, but that doesn't diminish what happened to these three little girls. And she should certainly not be allowed to chaperone school events, entrusting kids to her care, after her deplorable behavior here.
In case you're thinking that the ex-mayor is a poor, maligned woman, please keep in mind that on more than one occasion, when having girls sleep over at her house, she had male guests in attendance overnight and didn't see fit to advise the parents in advance -- seeing nothing wrong with this. She made much of the fact that she left them in a pitch-black basement while she slept on the second floor with two adult men in the house. And if she was petty and vindictive towards the kids involved, it's almost laughable how she treated the Falls Church police in her role as Councilwoman. She was reportedly not above using her position to retaliate against the police and the investigation, as the only member of the Council to vote against the department getting new motorcycles as part of a grant program (which wouldn't have cost the city itself anything).
She and her husband are both despicable, and if she was not directly responsible (which I would argue that she was), she was certainly an enabler and should be called to account for it. When comparing notes after the trial, it became obvious that certain behaviors of her kids, as well as something that happened with Mr. G at his home in the past and the testimony of one of the defense's own juvenile witnesses, certainly indicated that something was wrong. Unfortunately, no one was privy to all of this information before the sleepover. At this point, it's absolutely inconceivable that this was his first venture -- these girls were just the first ones to come forward. You know you're in for a fight when a PTA president (former?) testifies as a character witness to change the defendant's bail conditions to have more time with his kids -- and as it turns out, enjoy his last holidays with them.
To WingNut, thanks for the supportive insight; always engaging and witty commentary. To press reports, thanks for your last message; it helped to soften your prior posts. To hmm, glad to see that you finally came around ... and I believe that Mr. Greenspun's son was advised by one of the parents that he was acting inappropriately during the trial, which was why his seating was changed. To voice of reason, while I see your points, it should be obvious that people are venting about an emotionally-charged issue on this page; rather than being upset by that, and construing their comments to be truly violent, it's best to take such things with a grain of salt (but don't bother with the Raid). And to GordonBlvd, please know that your message to the girls got to one of them, and you got a shy smile and helped her to walk a bit taller that day.
The continued commentary on this site has been cathartic -- thanks to all who joined in the discussion. Even the uninformed and those with what could be perceived as a pro-defense stance. The whole thing has just been disgusting, but seeing the discourse has helped. I thought I could understand how people who had been through such an event might feel, but I wasn't even close. My heart will always go out to those kids who step forward and tell the truth about abuse, and even more so to those who don't have the strength to come forward. And to the parents, whose guilt will haunt them always; you are not alone.
Best wishes to all.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Wingspan
()
Date: May 09, 2012 12:46AM
What do you do with pedophiles? You shoot them in the face, then burn them to ash in an all-redeming fire...that's what you do!
Anyone who says otherwise is a friend of the pedo-fags, and they deserve the same treatment!
I think that was a tongue-in-cheek statement...
Anyone who says otherwise is a friend of the pedo-fags, and they deserve the same treatment!
I think that was a tongue-in-cheek statement...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 09, 2012 06:51AM
Beyond Over-Overprotective Mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> After going through all of this for months, it's
> such a relief to be able to sleep at night
> (unmedicated), and to wake up every morning
> knowing that this bogeyman is in jail -- wondering
> (but not caring) how he's enjoying his time. For
> those involved in this lively discourse, there is
> so much information that was never published in
> the news (and I use that term lightly in regards
> to the FCNP, who should be ashamed of
> themselves).
>
> For those doubters out there, while the girls
> certainly could have been making this up, to our
> absolute horror, they were not. Physical evidence
> was found exactly where they said they'd find it.
> Even if she could have lied while she was awake,
> at least one girl's dramatically altered behavior
> while she sleeps does not lie. One of the girls,
> after four hours on the stand, was goaded into
> saying she didn't see Mr. G, but it doesn't change
> how detailed her identification of him was right
> after the incident. The fact that it was
> explained to another of the girls, when taking her
> to the FCPD, that she would be telling the truth
> – no matter how embarassing – and standing up
> to do the right thing, aka helping the police,
> does not mean that she was making things up to
> participate in a conspiracy. This poor kid,
> sleeping in between the two other girls during the
> sleepover, was likely spared that night since he
> had already addressed her the night before. The
> fact that the girls were well-spoken and could use
> adult words does not mean that they were coached;
> they absolutely were not, as their shocked parents
> watching their police interviews can attest.
>
> Much was implied by the fact that they didn't
> scream or cry at the time of the event -- which is
> ridiculous since they couldn't believe what was
> happening and certainly didn't know what to do
> about it. It was also suggested they were lying
> because they did not tell someone in the house the
> next morning; instead, they told the first adults
> they trusted the next morning -- which, oddly
> enough, was not Mrs. G, since it was into her care
> that they had been entrusted. Much was made of a
> vast conspiracy to bring this family down, but two
> little girls briefly conferring the next morning
> to make sure that they weren't dreaming only makes
> sense. These girls told their parents within 20
> minutes of being picked up (one before they were
> out of the driveway), and one of them, when
> advised of the painful and embarassing exam that
> would be required, still said "then we have to go,
> mom." If that's not brave, I don't know what is.
>
> Amazingly, the defendant's own daughter was the
> turning point of the trial - after she stopped
> testifying as prepared and began telling things as
> she actually recalled them, she bolstered the
> testimony of the girls, not her parents. So much
> so that the prosecution didn't even need to put
> her through the stress of cross-examination.
> Though the DNA evidence was the clincher here,
> because there would likely not have been a
> conviction without it, the defense's failure to
> bring an expert to controvert Dr. Perlin's
> testimony really says it all. If there had been
> one out there, they would have spared no expense
> to present them. The fact that the defendant took
> the stand doesn't mean he isn't guilty -- as an
> attorney, he just knew that jurors prefer to
> actually hear defendants say they didn't do it.
> He'll have plenty of time to use those expired
> attorney credentials helping the other inmates
> file their motions from prison.
>
> While I know that prisons are violent places, I
> will not lose one moment's peace worrying about
> his welfare -- and cannot apologize for my
> attitude. These girls will never be the same, and
> neither will their parents. All of the counseling
> in the world will not change what happened.
> Moving forward with therapy and keeping a positive
> outlook is great, and the girls are doing this
> admirably; however, as their parents, even though
> he's locked up, we will not forget the terrible
> things his wife said about these girls and how the
> FCNP (and possibly Mrs. G) even had school
> administrators thinking the charges would be
> dismissed, while the parents could not speak
> publicly about the case for fear of contaminating
> the jury pool and giving grounds for a change of
> venue.
>
> To those of you with kids, simply put, no
> sleepovers ever is the safest bet. This is not an
> overreaction. For one of the girls, this was the
> only place she had ever been allowed to stay
> (without a parent outside of her home), and this
> still happened -- even with 7 other girls in the
> same room. If any of us was considered
> overprotective before, we're sure to be considered
> zealously overprotective now -- since one of our
> worst fears has been realized. Also, if something
> like this ever happens to your child (heaven
> forbid), be sure to handle and bag the evidence
> appropriately; it made all of the difference in
> this case.
>
> To those of you suggesting that we should've known
> the family better, not only were they FC's "first
> family," some of the parents knew the family for
> over three years (or as many as five years), some
> had been to their home for parties, etc., and the
> defendant's daughter had spent untold hours at all
> of these homes. We still could not have conceived
> of this happening in a room full of kids. He
> really should have gone with an insanity defense,
> because you'd have to be stark raving insane to
> think that you could do this and actually get away
> with it.
>
> I'm sure no one wants to hear it, but the mantra
> for other parents throughout this ordeal has been
> "it could happen to you." I can only hope that
> the school system and community will do its best
> to support these girls, and prevent things like
> allowing Mrs. G into the classrooms with these
> girls (this actually happened) or making them sit
> through Career Day listening to her as a role
> model (this also happened). Her kids have been
> through the wringer, too, but that doesn't
> diminish what happened to these three little
> girls. And she should certainly not be allowed to
> chaperone school events, entrusting kids to her
> care, after her deplorable behavior here.
>
> In case you're thinking that the ex-mayor is a
> poor, maligned woman, please keep in mind that on
> more than one occasion, when having girls sleep
> over at her house, she had male guests in
> attendance overnight and didn't see fit to advise
> the parents in advance -- seeing nothing wrong
> with this. She made much of the fact that she
> left them in a pitch-black basement while she
> slept on the second floor with two adult men in
> the house. And if she was petty and vindictive
> towards the kids involved, it's almost laughable
> how she treated the Falls Church police in her
> role as Councilwoman. She was reportedly not
> above using her position to retaliate against the
> police and the investigation, as the only member
> of the Council to vote against the department
> getting new motorcycles as part of a grant program
> (which wouldn't have cost the city itself
> anything).
>
> She and her husband are both despicable, and if
> she was not directly responsible (which I would
> argue that she was), she was certainly an enabler
> and should be called to account for it. When
> comparing notes after the trial, it became obvious
> that certain behaviors of her kids, as well as
> something that happened with Mr. G at his home in
> the past and the testimony of one of the defense's
> own juvenile witnesses, certainly indicated that
> something was wrong. Unfortunately, no one was
> privy to all of this information before the
> sleepover. At this point, it's absolutely
> inconceivable that this was his first venture --
> these girls were just the first ones to come
> forward. You know you're in for a fight when a
> PTA president (former?) testifies as a character
> witness to change the defendant's bail conditions
> to have more time with his kids -- and as it turns
> out, enjoy his last holidays with them.
>
> To WingNut, thanks for the supportive insight;
> always engaging and witty commentary. To press
> reports, thanks for your last message; it helped
> to soften your prior posts. To hmm, glad to see
> that you finally came around ... and I believe
> that Mr. Greenspun's son was advised by one of the
> parents that he was acting inappropriately during
> the trial, which was why his seating was changed.
> To voice of reason, while I see your points, it
> should be obvious that people are venting about an
> emotionally-charged issue on this page; rather
> than being upset by that, and construing their
> comments to be truly violent, it's best to take
> such things with a grain of salt (but don't bother
> with the Raid). And to GordonBlvd, please know
> that your message to the girls got to one of them,
> and you got a shy smile and helped her to walk a
> bit taller that day.
>
> The continued commentary on this site has been
> cathartic -- thanks to all who joined in the
> discussion. Even the uninformed and those with
> what could be perceived as a pro-defense stance.
> The whole thing has just been disgusting, but
> seeing the discourse has helped. I thought I
> could understand how people who had been through
> such an event might feel, but I wasn't even close.
> My heart will always go out to those kids who
> step forward and tell the truth about abuse, and
> even more so to those who don't have the strength
> to come forward. And to the parents, whose guilt
> will haunt them always; you are not alone.
>
> Best wishes to all.
All is said and said well.
Best wishes to your family and strength to children everywhere.
-------------------------------------------------------
> After going through all of this for months, it's
> such a relief to be able to sleep at night
> (unmedicated), and to wake up every morning
> knowing that this bogeyman is in jail -- wondering
> (but not caring) how he's enjoying his time. For
> those involved in this lively discourse, there is
> so much information that was never published in
> the news (and I use that term lightly in regards
> to the FCNP, who should be ashamed of
> themselves).
>
> For those doubters out there, while the girls
> certainly could have been making this up, to our
> absolute horror, they were not. Physical evidence
> was found exactly where they said they'd find it.
> Even if she could have lied while she was awake,
> at least one girl's dramatically altered behavior
> while she sleeps does not lie. One of the girls,
> after four hours on the stand, was goaded into
> saying she didn't see Mr. G, but it doesn't change
> how detailed her identification of him was right
> after the incident. The fact that it was
> explained to another of the girls, when taking her
> to the FCPD, that she would be telling the truth
> – no matter how embarassing – and standing up
> to do the right thing, aka helping the police,
> does not mean that she was making things up to
> participate in a conspiracy. This poor kid,
> sleeping in between the two other girls during the
> sleepover, was likely spared that night since he
> had already addressed her the night before. The
> fact that the girls were well-spoken and could use
> adult words does not mean that they were coached;
> they absolutely were not, as their shocked parents
> watching their police interviews can attest.
>
> Much was implied by the fact that they didn't
> scream or cry at the time of the event -- which is
> ridiculous since they couldn't believe what was
> happening and certainly didn't know what to do
> about it. It was also suggested they were lying
> because they did not tell someone in the house the
> next morning; instead, they told the first adults
> they trusted the next morning -- which, oddly
> enough, was not Mrs. G, since it was into her care
> that they had been entrusted. Much was made of a
> vast conspiracy to bring this family down, but two
> little girls briefly conferring the next morning
> to make sure that they weren't dreaming only makes
> sense. These girls told their parents within 20
> minutes of being picked up (one before they were
> out of the driveway), and one of them, when
> advised of the painful and embarassing exam that
> would be required, still said "then we have to go,
> mom." If that's not brave, I don't know what is.
>
> Amazingly, the defendant's own daughter was the
> turning point of the trial - after she stopped
> testifying as prepared and began telling things as
> she actually recalled them, she bolstered the
> testimony of the girls, not her parents. So much
> so that the prosecution didn't even need to put
> her through the stress of cross-examination.
> Though the DNA evidence was the clincher here,
> because there would likely not have been a
> conviction without it, the defense's failure to
> bring an expert to controvert Dr. Perlin's
> testimony really says it all. If there had been
> one out there, they would have spared no expense
> to present them. The fact that the defendant took
> the stand doesn't mean he isn't guilty -- as an
> attorney, he just knew that jurors prefer to
> actually hear defendants say they didn't do it.
> He'll have plenty of time to use those expired
> attorney credentials helping the other inmates
> file their motions from prison.
>
> While I know that prisons are violent places, I
> will not lose one moment's peace worrying about
> his welfare -- and cannot apologize for my
> attitude. These girls will never be the same, and
> neither will their parents. All of the counseling
> in the world will not change what happened.
> Moving forward with therapy and keeping a positive
> outlook is great, and the girls are doing this
> admirably; however, as their parents, even though
> he's locked up, we will not forget the terrible
> things his wife said about these girls and how the
> FCNP (and possibly Mrs. G) even had school
> administrators thinking the charges would be
> dismissed, while the parents could not speak
> publicly about the case for fear of contaminating
> the jury pool and giving grounds for a change of
> venue.
>
> To those of you with kids, simply put, no
> sleepovers ever is the safest bet. This is not an
> overreaction. For one of the girls, this was the
> only place she had ever been allowed to stay
> (without a parent outside of her home), and this
> still happened -- even with 7 other girls in the
> same room. If any of us was considered
> overprotective before, we're sure to be considered
> zealously overprotective now -- since one of our
> worst fears has been realized. Also, if something
> like this ever happens to your child (heaven
> forbid), be sure to handle and bag the evidence
> appropriately; it made all of the difference in
> this case.
>
> To those of you suggesting that we should've known
> the family better, not only were they FC's "first
> family," some of the parents knew the family for
> over three years (or as many as five years), some
> had been to their home for parties, etc., and the
> defendant's daughter had spent untold hours at all
> of these homes. We still could not have conceived
> of this happening in a room full of kids. He
> really should have gone with an insanity defense,
> because you'd have to be stark raving insane to
> think that you could do this and actually get away
> with it.
>
> I'm sure no one wants to hear it, but the mantra
> for other parents throughout this ordeal has been
> "it could happen to you." I can only hope that
> the school system and community will do its best
> to support these girls, and prevent things like
> allowing Mrs. G into the classrooms with these
> girls (this actually happened) or making them sit
> through Career Day listening to her as a role
> model (this also happened). Her kids have been
> through the wringer, too, but that doesn't
> diminish what happened to these three little
> girls. And she should certainly not be allowed to
> chaperone school events, entrusting kids to her
> care, after her deplorable behavior here.
>
> In case you're thinking that the ex-mayor is a
> poor, maligned woman, please keep in mind that on
> more than one occasion, when having girls sleep
> over at her house, she had male guests in
> attendance overnight and didn't see fit to advise
> the parents in advance -- seeing nothing wrong
> with this. She made much of the fact that she
> left them in a pitch-black basement while she
> slept on the second floor with two adult men in
> the house. And if she was petty and vindictive
> towards the kids involved, it's almost laughable
> how she treated the Falls Church police in her
> role as Councilwoman. She was reportedly not
> above using her position to retaliate against the
> police and the investigation, as the only member
> of the Council to vote against the department
> getting new motorcycles as part of a grant program
> (which wouldn't have cost the city itself
> anything).
>
> She and her husband are both despicable, and if
> she was not directly responsible (which I would
> argue that she was), she was certainly an enabler
> and should be called to account for it. When
> comparing notes after the trial, it became obvious
> that certain behaviors of her kids, as well as
> something that happened with Mr. G at his home in
> the past and the testimony of one of the defense's
> own juvenile witnesses, certainly indicated that
> something was wrong. Unfortunately, no one was
> privy to all of this information before the
> sleepover. At this point, it's absolutely
> inconceivable that this was his first venture --
> these girls were just the first ones to come
> forward. You know you're in for a fight when a
> PTA president (former?) testifies as a character
> witness to change the defendant's bail conditions
> to have more time with his kids -- and as it turns
> out, enjoy his last holidays with them.
>
> To WingNut, thanks for the supportive insight;
> always engaging and witty commentary. To press
> reports, thanks for your last message; it helped
> to soften your prior posts. To hmm, glad to see
> that you finally came around ... and I believe
> that Mr. Greenspun's son was advised by one of the
> parents that he was acting inappropriately during
> the trial, which was why his seating was changed.
> To voice of reason, while I see your points, it
> should be obvious that people are venting about an
> emotionally-charged issue on this page; rather
> than being upset by that, and construing their
> comments to be truly violent, it's best to take
> such things with a grain of salt (but don't bother
> with the Raid). And to GordonBlvd, please know
> that your message to the girls got to one of them,
> and you got a shy smile and helped her to walk a
> bit taller that day.
>
> The continued commentary on this site has been
> cathartic -- thanks to all who joined in the
> discussion. Even the uninformed and those with
> what could be perceived as a pro-defense stance.
> The whole thing has just been disgusting, but
> seeing the discourse has helped. I thought I
> could understand how people who had been through
> such an event might feel, but I wasn't even close.
> My heart will always go out to those kids who
> step forward and tell the truth about abuse, and
> even more so to those who don't have the strength
> to come forward. And to the parents, whose guilt
> will haunt them always; you are not alone.
>
> Best wishes to all.
All is said and said well.
Best wishes to your family and strength to children everywhere.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 09, 2012 12:55PM
@Beyond - all I can say is that it was my honour to point out her/their strengths. I pray that is what she takes away from this event. Thank you for sharing with us information that FC"N"P refuses to cover, and like wingnut said , prayers for all involved in this............
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
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Date: May 11, 2012 10:31AM
Welcome to the VA Sex Offender Registry, Mr. Gardner:
http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: May 11, 2012 10:44AM
I like the "Home" address.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Really??
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Date: May 14, 2012 08:32PM
Divorce proceedings? Hearing that calls have been made to certain attorneys....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 15, 2012 09:52AM
Reno odds would say that soon after Mikey is unable to give Robin the his whole 2 inches, she'd look elsewhere for it. Prolly someone who used to be close to him or both of them............unless she was already stepping off the porch (if you know what I mean) before his pedo-plays came to light................
man, does Mikey look suave in his pedo-pic, dont he?
man, does Mikey look suave in his pedo-pic, dont he?
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Posted by:
Moving?
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Date: May 15, 2012 10:05AM
Really?? Wrote:
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> Divorce proceedings? Hearing that calls have been
> made to certain attorneys....
Real estate agents called?
House was purchased in 1996 for $221,000, but rebuilt in 2003. It is assessed at over $1M. That is probably a hard mortgage payment on a single mom.
I guess you could always tap Mike's retirement. He won't be needing it.
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> Divorce proceedings? Hearing that calls have been
> made to certain attorneys....
Real estate agents called?
House was purchased in 1996 for $221,000, but rebuilt in 2003. It is assessed at over $1M. That is probably a hard mortgage payment on a single mom.
I guess you could always tap Mike's retirement. He won't be needing it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 15, 2012 10:44AM
so ok, question for anybody "in the know".......
jokes all aside, is Robin still "connected" in the FC.....or is she a pariah now?
I mean, can she go to Giant and not get hissed out? If y'all Mustangs see her out and about, do you just let her go about her business? Do you start talking real loud about her husband? Do you go up to her and tell her how you "feel for her"? Does she even leave her house? Does she simply drive out to Fairfax or Alexandria to do shopping? "Enquireing" minds want to know!!! LoLz
jokes all aside, is Robin still "connected" in the FC.....or is she a pariah now?
I mean, can she go to Giant and not get hissed out? If y'all Mustangs see her out and about, do you just let her go about her business? Do you start talking real loud about her husband? Do you go up to her and tell her how you "feel for her"? Does she even leave her house? Does she simply drive out to Fairfax or Alexandria to do shopping? "Enquireing" minds want to know!!! LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
whereabouts
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Date: May 15, 2012 10:54AM
She wasn't at the city council meeting last night.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Salem Bitchcraft
()
Date: May 15, 2012 11:14AM
"so ok, question for anybody "in the know".......
jokes all aside, is Robin still "connected" in the FC.....or is she a pariah now?
I mean, can she go to Giant and not get hissed out? If y'all Mustangs see her out and about, do you just let her go about her business? Do you start talking real loud about her husband? Do you go up to her and tell her how you "feel for her"? Does she even leave her house? Does she simply drive out to Fairfax or Alexandria to do shopping? "Enquireing" minds want to know!!! LoLz"
What a gleeful woman you are...That would be just your style, Gordon, to "hiss out" this woman when she was in public. Does that make up for the fact that you couldn't burn her husband at the stake? Why don't you get together with a coven of your redneck harpies and cut off this woman's hair, or make her wear a giant red letter on her clothing. Your hand-wringing, self-congratulatory concern in this case is quite touching...now why don't you go away...
jokes all aside, is Robin still "connected" in the FC.....or is she a pariah now?
I mean, can she go to Giant and not get hissed out? If y'all Mustangs see her out and about, do you just let her go about her business? Do you start talking real loud about her husband? Do you go up to her and tell her how you "feel for her"? Does she even leave her house? Does she simply drive out to Fairfax or Alexandria to do shopping? "Enquireing" minds want to know!!! LoLz"
What a gleeful woman you are...That would be just your style, Gordon, to "hiss out" this woman when she was in public. Does that make up for the fact that you couldn't burn her husband at the stake? Why don't you get together with a coven of your redneck harpies and cut off this woman's hair, or make her wear a giant red letter on her clothing. Your hand-wringing, self-congratulatory concern in this case is quite touching...now why don't you go away...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: May 15, 2012 11:16AM
I wouldn't know her if I saw her. But I don't want to see her.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Poplar
()
Date: May 15, 2012 11:22AM
Salem Bitchcraft Wrote:
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> "so ok, question for anybody "in the know".......
>
>
> jokes all aside, is Robin still "connected" in the
> FC.....or is she a pariah now?
> I mean, can she go to Giant and not get hissed
> out? If y'all Mustangs see her out and about, do
> you just let her go about her business? Do you
> start talking real loud about her husband? Do you
> go up to her and tell her how you "feel for her"?
> Does she even leave her house? Does she simply
> drive out to Fairfax or Alexandria to do shopping?
> "Enquireing" minds want to know!!! LoLz"
>
>
>
> What a gleeful woman you are...That would be just
> your style, Gordon, to "hiss out" this woman when
> she was in public. Does that make up for the fact
> that you couldn't burn her husband at the stake?
> Why don't you get together with a coven of your
> redneck harpies and cut off this woman's hair, or
> make her wear a giant red letter on her clothing.
> Your hand-wringing, self-congratulatory concern in
> this case is quite touching...now why don't you go
> away...
Well, it appears Robin is posting on FFXU.....
If you aren't Robin, let me know where in FCC you live. I wouldn't want my kids near a pedo sympathizers house.
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> "so ok, question for anybody "in the know".......
>
>
> jokes all aside, is Robin still "connected" in the
> FC.....or is she a pariah now?
> I mean, can she go to Giant and not get hissed
> out? If y'all Mustangs see her out and about, do
> you just let her go about her business? Do you
> start talking real loud about her husband? Do you
> go up to her and tell her how you "feel for her"?
> Does she even leave her house? Does she simply
> drive out to Fairfax or Alexandria to do shopping?
> "Enquireing" minds want to know!!! LoLz"
>
>
>
> What a gleeful woman you are...That would be just
> your style, Gordon, to "hiss out" this woman when
> she was in public. Does that make up for the fact
> that you couldn't burn her husband at the stake?
> Why don't you get together with a coven of your
> redneck harpies and cut off this woman's hair, or
> make her wear a giant red letter on her clothing.
> Your hand-wringing, self-congratulatory concern in
> this case is quite touching...now why don't you go
> away...
Well, it appears Robin is posting on FFXU.....
If you aren't Robin, let me know where in FCC you live. I wouldn't want my kids near a pedo sympathizers house.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 15, 2012 12:20PM
@poplar - apparently, we are supposed to understand and sympathize............ o_0
@Salem - wow, arent we a little uptight. Sounds like yr scared we may find out EXACTLY what's on yr laptop too, eh? For the record, never said I'd do anything to her I was just asking what the Falls Church vibe is like - why you'd pick "hissing" out of all the choices...........well that just speaks volumes about your guilty mind now, doesnt it? Sounds like you are afraid of what may happen to you if you are found out, is what it sounds like.
@Salem - wow, arent we a little uptight. Sounds like yr scared we may find out EXACTLY what's on yr laptop too, eh? For the record, never said I'd do anything to her I was just asking what the Falls Church vibe is like - why you'd pick "hissing" out of all the choices...........well that just speaks volumes about your guilty mind now, doesnt it? Sounds like you are afraid of what may happen to you if you are found out, is what it sounds like.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Salem Bitchcraft
()
Date: May 15, 2012 02:12PM
@Salem - wow, arent we a little uptight. Sounds like yr scared we may find out EXACTLY what's on yr laptop too, eh? For the record, never said I'd do anything to her I was just asking what the Falls Church vibe is like - why you'd pick "hissing" out of all the choices...........well that just speaks volumes about your guilty mind now, doesnt it? Sounds like you are afraid of what may happen to you if you are found out, is what it sounds like.
Of course, you were just "asking what the Falls Church vibe is like," and "you'd" never "do" anything, Gordon, but passivly suggesting that others do "something," is just your style. Not sure how the word of yours I quoted; "hissing," intimates that I have a guilty mind, and your clumsy attempt to hint that I'm afraid of being "found out" for...something...is as laughable as your logic.
I could equally charge that your spittle-flecked anger would indicate that YOU have something to hide, and that you are accusing others to deflect attention from yourself, is what it sounds like...
"Reno odds would say that soon after Mikey is unable to give Robin the his whole 2 inches, she'd look elsewhere for it."
Are you drunk when you type shit like this? You seem to be way fixated on Micky.
Just sayin'...
LoLz
Of course, you were just "asking what the Falls Church vibe is like," and "you'd" never "do" anything, Gordon, but passivly suggesting that others do "something," is just your style. Not sure how the word of yours I quoted; "hissing," intimates that I have a guilty mind, and your clumsy attempt to hint that I'm afraid of being "found out" for...something...is as laughable as your logic.
I could equally charge that your spittle-flecked anger would indicate that YOU have something to hide, and that you are accusing others to deflect attention from yourself, is what it sounds like...
"Reno odds would say that soon after Mikey is unable to give Robin the his whole 2 inches, she'd look elsewhere for it."
Are you drunk when you type shit like this? You seem to be way fixated on Micky.
Just sayin'...
LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 15, 2012 02:19PM
@Salem.....
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Posted by:
PDA 75
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Date: May 15, 2012 10:31PM
@GordonBlvd If I might ask, what brings up your passion in this case? I could understand it if you had been sexually assaulted as a child.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 16, 2012 08:22AM
@PDA-dont be stupid. YOu dont need to be black to hate racism. Dont need to be gay to hate homophobia. Dont need to have common sense to hate Philly Fans, and dont need to have been raped to hate rapists.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned Falls Church Resident
()
Date: May 16, 2012 10:03AM
I believe the person was refering to your anger and your CAPS filled ravings. One example, "ASSWIPE!! GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULL!!!" in reference to a question that was asked about this case.
That's among many quotable quotes of yours.
Seriously, you should seek therapy if you walk around with this much anger.
That's among many quotable quotes of yours.
Seriously, you should seek therapy if you walk around with this much anger.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 16, 2012 10:11AM
LoLz if you can "see" my anger thru a keyboard
check it out, Concerened. If you are all coolsville about Gardner trying to rape children, I say you are the one that needs therapy. Size 11 therapy right up yr ass, yo.
p.s. the good ppl on the jury, the strength of the familes victimized, and the BRAVERY OF THOSE LITTLE GIRLS gave me all the therapy I need on this :)
check it out, Concerened. If you are all coolsville about Gardner trying to rape children, I say you are the one that needs therapy. Size 11 therapy right up yr ass, yo.
p.s. the good ppl on the jury, the strength of the familes victimized, and the BRAVERY OF THOSE LITTLE GIRLS gave me all the therapy I need on this :)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Yawn
()
Date: May 16, 2012 01:40PM
"If you are all coolsville about Gardner trying to rape children, I say you are the one that needs therapy"
Again, you're putting words in people's mouths. When your meds kick in, give me one example in this entire thread of someone being "cool" about Gardner trying to rape children.
Just relax and post another photo of a Corgi...that might calm you down.
Size 11...you have large feet for a woman...
Again, you're putting words in people's mouths. When your meds kick in, give me one example in this entire thread of someone being "cool" about Gardner trying to rape children.
Just relax and post another photo of a Corgi...that might calm you down.
Size 11...you have large feet for a woman...
like you know anything about adult women......... LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 17, 2012 09:51AM
talk about yawn. Your pedopals are pretty lame with the trolling, Gardner. Anyone who's focused more on me than the topic at hand.............well if you can ignore the topic at hand over me then something WRONG with you which kinda leads me to think ppl like that are "cool" about Gardner trying to rape children..........cause ppl like that are WRONG as well.
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Posted by:
Yawn II
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Date: May 17, 2012 10:07AM
@GordonBlvd...it really is all about you, isn't it. Yet again, give me ONE example of ANYONE in this thread being "cool" with child molestation?
Just one.
Try re-reading that last sentence you wrote and see if it makes any sense.
So now I'm either Gardner himself or a "pedopal."
That's funny.
Don't you have a neighbor's pit bull to poison or something?
Just one.
Try re-reading that last sentence you wrote and see if it makes any sense.
So now I'm either Gardner himself or a "pedopal."
That's funny.
Don't you have a neighbor's pit bull to poison or something?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 17, 2012 11:04AM
@yawn-cant make you see what you dont want to. So you win a no-prize for whatever it is you are trying to win. I never make any sense so yr not telling anybody anything new LoLz
And yeah, apparently it is all about me since you keep responding to me, and not talking at all about the topic matter.
p.s. my neighbors are all WWWAAAAYYY too intelligent to risk their kids' lives or the lives of children in the neighborhood with such an animal.
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And yeah, apparently it is all about me since you keep responding to me, and not talking at all about the topic matter.
p.s. my neighbors are all WWWAAAAYYY too intelligent to risk their kids' lives or the lives of children in the neighborhood with such an animal.
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Posted by:
Sick to my stomach
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Date: May 17, 2012 12:58PM
Just picked up today's FCNP. Front page announces Gardner to appeal. Can anyone explain to me what grounds he would have for an appeal? Didn't he get a fair trial by a jury of his peers? I'm sick to my stomach.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: May 17, 2012 02:28PM
More money for the lawyers. Interestinger and interestinger.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 17, 2012 02:37PM
Michael Gardner will bankrupt his family putting up this defense. Can't believe his wife is willing to to throw literally everything away. They won't even have a home when this is over.
The News Press only "learned" this because Nick Benton is still the only person in town that'll talk to the Gardners. Check the visitor logs. I bet he visits Mike in Jail.
Michael Gardner Attorney Readies Appeal
By FCNP.com
Wednesday, May 16 2012 05:38:28 PM
The News-Press has learned that Peter Greenspun, attorney for Falls Church resident Michael Gardner convicted earlier this month for the sexual assault of two young girls, is currently preparing an appeal of the conviction.
Arlington Circuit Court Judge Benjamin Kendrick's sentencing in the cases, based on the jury guideline of 22 years in jail, is not due until early September, when a component of the case involving a third girl, declared a mistrial by Judge Kendrick, will also be retried. In September, Kendrick could reduce Gardner's penalty, but not increase it above the jury's recommendation.
Read more at FCNP.com: http://www.fcnp.com/news/11831-michael-gardner-attorney-readies-appeal.html#ixzz1v9ZUPXAD
The News Press only "learned" this because Nick Benton is still the only person in town that'll talk to the Gardners. Check the visitor logs. I bet he visits Mike in Jail.
Michael Gardner Attorney Readies Appeal
By FCNP.com
Wednesday, May 16 2012 05:38:28 PM
The News-Press has learned that Peter Greenspun, attorney for Falls Church resident Michael Gardner convicted earlier this month for the sexual assault of two young girls, is currently preparing an appeal of the conviction.
Arlington Circuit Court Judge Benjamin Kendrick's sentencing in the cases, based on the jury guideline of 22 years in jail, is not due until early September, when a component of the case involving a third girl, declared a mistrial by Judge Kendrick, will also be retried. In September, Kendrick could reduce Gardner's penalty, but not increase it above the jury's recommendation.
Read more at FCNP.com: http://www.fcnp.com/news/11831-michael-gardner-attorney-readies-appeal.html#ixzz1v9ZUPXAD
what's sad is that whatever it will be will be VERY similar to this...........
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:39PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WTF!
()
Date: May 17, 2012 02:39PM
Those little girls have been through enough. I hope he is killed in prison. Bastard!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: May 17, 2012 02:41PM
Or, if you remember back a few years to Ken Lay of Enron fame, he died before his appeals were finalized, and it was as if his conviction never even happened. Maybe that's what Mikey is going for?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: May 17, 2012 02:43PM
If he puts enough salt in his food, maybe he will stroke out before he has to do too much hard time.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 17, 2012 02:55PM
might be he just wants to see the girls again................it could be something as sick as that..............
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
()
Date: May 17, 2012 02:58PM
22046 Wrote:
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> Or, if you remember back a few years to Ken Lay of
> Enron fame, he died before his appeals were
> finalized, and it was as if his conviction never
> even happened. Maybe that's what Mikey is going
> for?
Doubtful that Mike gets bail pending the outcome of his appeal. If he does, my money is on him running.
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> Or, if you remember back a few years to Ken Lay of
> Enron fame, he died before his appeals were
> finalized, and it was as if his conviction never
> even happened. Maybe that's what Mikey is going
> for?
Doubtful that Mike gets bail pending the outcome of his appeal. If he does, my money is on him running.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 17, 2012 03:02PM
yeah, I could see him running.................
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Posted by:
Dust Off
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Date: May 17, 2012 03:16PM
Somebody sure loves posting images of Pedo Bear!
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Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 03:18PM
it kinda has to do with the topic at hand, Dusty............
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LOL!
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Date: May 17, 2012 03:18PM
I love the photo! I hope Mr Gardner has a slow and painful life. He wife too.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: May 17, 2012 03:59PM
@Falls Church said: Doubtful that Mike gets bail pending the outcome of his appeal. If he does, my money is on him running.
I doubt he'll get out on bail either. My understanding (I'm not a lawyer) is that if someone dies before appeals are exhausted, the conviction is set aside and it's as if it never happened. Maybe that's why MG didn't cut a plea deal. I don't know and never will.
I doubt he'll get out on bail either. My understanding (I'm not a lawyer) is that if someone dies before appeals are exhausted, the conviction is set aside and it's as if it never happened. Maybe that's why MG didn't cut a plea deal. I don't know and never will.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
loosen up, Michael Gardner
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Date: May 17, 2012 04:21PM
LOL! Wrote:
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> I love the photo! I hope Mr Gardner has a slow and
> painful life. He wife too.
News from DoJ today:
Nearly one in 10 prisoners suffer sexual abuse while incarcerated in state prisons, local jails and post-release treatment facilities, according to a report published Thursday by the U.S. Department of Justice.
A quarter of those who reported they had suffered unwanted sexual contact at the hands of other inmates said they had been physically held down or restrained and a quarter had been physically harmed or injured. Nearly a quarter (23 percent) reported serious injuries, including anal/vaginal tearing (12 percent), chipped or lost teeth (12 percent), being knocked unconscious (8 percent), internal injuries (6 percent), knife/stab wounds (4 percent) or broken bones (4 percent), according to the survey of former prisoners.
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> I love the photo! I hope Mr Gardner has a slow and
> painful life. He wife too.
News from DoJ today:
Nearly one in 10 prisoners suffer sexual abuse while incarcerated in state prisons, local jails and post-release treatment facilities, according to a report published Thursday by the U.S. Department of Justice.
A quarter of those who reported they had suffered unwanted sexual contact at the hands of other inmates said they had been physically held down or restrained and a quarter had been physically harmed or injured. Nearly a quarter (23 percent) reported serious injuries, including anal/vaginal tearing (12 percent), chipped or lost teeth (12 percent), being knocked unconscious (8 percent), internal injuries (6 percent), knife/stab wounds (4 percent) or broken bones (4 percent), according to the survey of former prisoners.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: May 18, 2012 05:06AM
Maybe the basis for his appeal will be "perversion" of justice?!?!
In any case, more buckaroos for the lawyers...the only winners in this case.
In any case, more buckaroos for the lawyers...the only winners in this case.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 18, 2012 07:56AM
@22046 +1 :)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
KYN
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Date: May 21, 2012 01:05PM
Falls Church Wrote:
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> Welcome to the VA Sex Offender Registry, Mr. Gardner:
>
> http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
Note this part: "Violent: Yes"
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> Welcome to the VA Sex Offender Registry, Mr. Gardner:
>
> http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
Note this part: "Violent: Yes"
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: May 21, 2012 01:26PM
I suspect that means he won't be placed in any of the lesser security institutions. He may end up at Red Onion for his own protection. Being locked away for 23 hours a day would suck, but it beats becoming Bubba's...woman, which is probably the only other alternative for him.
As the saying goes, you do the crime, you do the time.
As the saying goes, you do the crime, you do the time.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
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Date: May 24, 2012 02:12PM
Robin Gardner missed another Council meeting.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 24, 2012 03:45PM
is she still even in town or has she left it? Anybody know? Do you think if she is gone will she ever return?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ma Kettle
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Date: May 24, 2012 04:13PM
You sound awful curious, Gordon...just go to Giant and stone her...get it over with..
LoLz
LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
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Date: May 24, 2012 04:22PM
Ma Kettle Wrote:
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> You sound awful curious, Gordon...just go to Giant
> and stone her...get it over with..
>
> LoLz
Pfft. Like any good resident of the 22046, Mayor Gardner shops at Whole Foods!
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> You sound awful curious, Gordon...just go to Giant
> and stone her...get it over with..
>
> LoLz
Pfft. Like any good resident of the 22046, Mayor Gardner shops at Whole Foods!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mad
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Date: May 24, 2012 04:30PM
Retired Mayor Gardner needs to do her own daughter a favor and move out of Virginia. Poor girl.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 24, 2012 05:05PM
@mad-I cannot even imagine what Gardner's kid is going thru with all this
@Falls +1, but not true - puh-LENTY of y'all staying loyal to Giant that place is always packed.
@Ma- you do know that YOU are the ONLY person this ENTIRE thread who has EVER mentioned harming Ms. Gardner, don't you?
@Falls +1, but not true - puh-LENTY of y'all staying loyal to Giant that place is always packed.
@Ma- you do know that YOU are the ONLY person this ENTIRE thread who has EVER mentioned harming Ms. Gardner, don't you?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
False Church
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Date: May 24, 2012 06:28PM
"YES ASSHOLE! I HAVE A RAGE PROBLEM"
I thought this thread was about molested kids, but it's obviously about Gordblvd and his/her drama...
I thought this thread was about molested kids, but it's obviously about Gordblvd and his/her drama...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 24, 2012 06:33PM
@false - only if you want it to be. The rest of us are gonna just go ahead and focus on the topic at hand, k? You go on ahead and rage away o_0
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
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Date: May 24, 2012 07:14PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Falls +1, but not true - puh-LENTY of y'all
> staying loyal to Giant that place is always
> packed.
Those are the folks from 22043 and 22042 we let come shop in our city!
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> @Falls +1, but not true - puh-LENTY of y'all
> staying loyal to Giant that place is always
> packed.
Those are the folks from 22043 and 22042 we let come shop in our city!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Female Devil seen
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Date: May 24, 2012 07:35PM
I seen her! I seen her! Praise the Lord, I seen her walkin to the generl store, and when she saw me she attempted to greet me, but I said, "Get thee behind me, you imp from Hell! I will not correspond with thee nor will I speak with thee! Thou shall be cast into a lake of fire for all eternety!" "Miss" Gardner started to cry and other Devil tricks, but I hardened my heart and would not respond to her wiles. Constance Goody and Sister Solomon will vouch for the verity of my statement.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
@ the @sign
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Date: May 24, 2012 07:38PM
"YES ASSHOLE! I HAVE A RAGE PROBLEM"
I believe that was your quote, Gordon...look it up...yo
I believe that was your quote, Gordon...look it up...yo
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 24, 2012 09:40PM
@.....um, well @@: yeah........we got that. Most of us also notice THIS TOPIC AINT ABOUT ME so we kinda wonder why YOU are the ONLY one bringing me up twice in one day. Got Obsess?
@Female - Ha Ha (Job 39:25 KJV) :)
@Falls - I dunno...........I'm sure there's a lotta y'all sometimes creeping up that hill and realize it's gonna be 10-12 months till you even get a glimpse of Iydlwood and you just say "**** it, I'll just go here" LoLz
@Female - Ha Ha (Job 39:25 KJV) :)
@Falls - I dunno...........I'm sure there's a lotta y'all sometimes creeping up that hill and realize it's gonna be 10-12 months till you even get a glimpse of Iydlwood and you just say "**** it, I'll just go here" LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Too Subtle for me
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Date: May 24, 2012 10:12PM
I dunno...........I'm sure there's a lotta y'all sometimes creeping up that hill and realize it's gonna be 10-12 months till you even get a glimpse of Iydlwood and you just say "**** it, I'll just go here" LoLz
??
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 25, 2012 08:12AM
@Too - think of where the Giant is and how you get to Whole Foods from there maybe that'll help
I was gonna put a picture of it up, but I'm instead going to put this picture that for some reason came up when I typed "Broad Street Falls Chruch" into Google. Perhaps someone can explain why it came up to me LoLz
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I was gonna put a picture of it up, but I'm instead going to put this picture that for some reason came up when I typed "Broad Street Falls Chruch" into Google. Perhaps someone can explain why it came up to me LoLz
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
kdubz
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Date: June 09, 2012 01:57AM
I know MG and his wife. They are both very full of themselves. Although I feel bad for her and their kids, I hear she talked about the victims. If true, I hope her teeth rot out. I can't wait for him to be moved out of County and into the Pen', dude will not make it long. He won't be able to handle the life and that is before he even gets a train ran on his caboose. He doesn't have fight in him, I see a lot of fetal position and crying in the corner in his future. He is known to talk a lot of shit, even publicly and in print... how do you think that behavior will fly coming from this pudgie, upper crust, assclown? Mike I see a lot of DNA deposits coming your way.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church
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Date: June 12, 2012 03:43PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @.....um, well @@: yeah........we got that. Most
> of us also notice THIS TOPIC AINT ABOUT ME so we
> kinda wonder why YOU are the ONLY one bringing me
> up twice in one day. Got Obsess?
>
> @Female - Ha Ha (Job 39:25 KJV) :)
>
> @Falls - I dunno...........I'm sure there's a
> lotta y'all sometimes creeping up that hill and
> realize it's gonna be 10-12 months till you even
> get a glimpse of Iydlwood and you just say "****
> it, I'll just go here" LoLz
Those of us in FCC know how to avoid Rte. 7. That road is just a revenue make for all ya'll passing through. Barbour Lane makes a nice alternative to get to Whole Foods.
Also, looks like Robin got a new job.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robin-gardner/3/b59/418
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> @.....um, well @@: yeah........we got that. Most
> of us also notice THIS TOPIC AINT ABOUT ME so we
> kinda wonder why YOU are the ONLY one bringing me
> up twice in one day. Got Obsess?
>
> @Female - Ha Ha (Job 39:25 KJV) :)
>
> @Falls - I dunno...........I'm sure there's a
> lotta y'all sometimes creeping up that hill and
> realize it's gonna be 10-12 months till you even
> get a glimpse of Iydlwood and you just say "****
> it, I'll just go here" LoLz
Those of us in FCC know how to avoid Rte. 7. That road is just a revenue make for all ya'll passing through. Barbour Lane makes a nice alternative to get to Whole Foods.
Also, looks like Robin got a new job.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robin-gardner/3/b59/418
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
grody
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Date: June 13, 2012 01:30PM
Falls Church Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @.....um, well @@: yeah........we got that.
> Most
> > of us also notice THIS TOPIC AINT ABOUT ME so
> we
> > kinda wonder why YOU are the ONLY one bringing
> me
> > up twice in one day. Got Obsess?
> >
> > @Female - Ha Ha (Job 39:25 KJV) :)
> >
> > @Falls - I dunno...........I'm sure there's a
> > lotta y'all sometimes creeping up that hill and
> > realize it's gonna be 10-12 months till you
> even
> > get a glimpse of Iydlwood and you just say
> "****
> > it, I'll just go here" LoLz
>
>
> Those of us in FCC know how to avoid Rte. 7. That
> road is just a revenue make for all ya'll passing
> through. Barbour Lane makes a nice alternative to
> get to Whole Foods.
>
> Also, looks like Robin got a new job.
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robin-gardner/3/b59/41
> 8
What a bunch of lucky new coworkers she has.
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @.....um, well @@: yeah........we got that.
> Most
> > of us also notice THIS TOPIC AINT ABOUT ME so
> we
> > kinda wonder why YOU are the ONLY one bringing
> me
> > up twice in one day. Got Obsess?
> >
> > @Female - Ha Ha (Job 39:25 KJV) :)
> >
> > @Falls - I dunno...........I'm sure there's a
> > lotta y'all sometimes creeping up that hill and
> > realize it's gonna be 10-12 months till you
> even
> > get a glimpse of Iydlwood and you just say
> "****
> > it, I'll just go here" LoLz
>
>
> Those of us in FCC know how to avoid Rte. 7. That
> road is just a revenue make for all ya'll passing
> through. Barbour Lane makes a nice alternative to
> get to Whole Foods.
>
> Also, looks like Robin got a new job.
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robin-gardner/3/b59/41
> 8
What a bunch of lucky new coworkers she has.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Tell us
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Date: June 13, 2012 01:39PM
No link.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
dum bitchsssssss
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Date: June 13, 2012 01:52PM
Director, Business Development
REI Systems
Privately Held; 501-1000 employees; Information Technology and Services industry
May 2012 – Present (2 months) Sterling, VA
VERY excited to start working with some great people at REI Systems! Now...I need new business cards.
I guess she has to drive out far out to sterling to get a job. Maybe someone should inform the company she works for. What a dumb cunt look how "happy she is and excited" never mind molesting the children.
REI Systems
Privately Held; 501-1000 employees; Information Technology and Services industry
May 2012 – Present (2 months) Sterling, VA
VERY excited to start working with some great people at REI Systems! Now...I need new business cards.
I guess she has to drive out far out to sterling to get a job. Maybe someone should inform the company she works for. What a dumb cunt look how "happy she is and excited" never mind molesting the children.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: June 13, 2012 02:46PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
makes me wonder
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Date: June 20, 2012 05:42PM
Scuttlebutt indicates Mrs. G might be looking for a rental in Arlington (nice and close for those conjugal visits and close to mom-in-law, I guess), but who knows. No idea if the kids will be staying in this school or what. Just a reminder they have 2 kids, a boy and a girl, and both have exhibited odd behaviors in front of others. I suspect we should be concerned for the boy as well, maybe even especially so, in the absence of a father figure/role model.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
A Harsh Judge
()
Date: June 20, 2012 05:47PM
The sins of the father shall be visited upon the children. Kill them all and let God sort them out.
Would that make you fucking happy?
Would that make you fucking happy?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 20, 2012 07:47PM
A Harsh Judge Wrote:
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> The sins of the father shall be visited upon the
> children. Kill them all and let God sort them
> out.
>
> Would that make you fucking happy?
and what in the FUCK did you have for lunch to turn you into such an asshole?
If you EVER mention killing Gardner's children again on this site, I swear .............................well you know what? You are so much of a cuntface for even bringing it up the first time I doubt an asskicking would change anything for you.
Fuck you, dude. "Makes me wonder" was showing CONCERN for those kids after what they must be going thru and you somehow twist that into killing them? Fuck you HARDCORE, yo.....................
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> The sins of the father shall be visited upon the
> children. Kill them all and let God sort them
> out.
>
> Would that make you fucking happy?
and what in the FUCK did you have for lunch to turn you into such an asshole?
If you EVER mention killing Gardner's children again on this site, I swear .............................well you know what? You are so much of a cuntface for even bringing it up the first time I doubt an asskicking would change anything for you.
Fuck you, dude. "Makes me wonder" was showing CONCERN for those kids after what they must be going thru and you somehow twist that into killing them? Fuck you HARDCORE, yo.....................
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
A Harsh Judge
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Date: June 20, 2012 08:02PM
Is that a threat, Gordo?
You sound angry AND hurt.
Let's see, where's that butthurt form I keep for you?
Why don't you go bother 2concerned, or the family of a suicide victim
You sound angry AND hurt.
Let's see, where's that butthurt form I keep for you?
Why don't you go bother 2concerned, or the family of a suicide victim
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed and Confused IVI
()
Date: June 20, 2012 08:58PM
Um, I think "HarshJudge" is quoting the bible, and is being S.A.R.C.A.S.T.I C.
@GordonBlvd, please calm down. The use of the "F-Bomb" and your other choice of words makes you look like a redneck with anger-management issues.
@GordonBlvd, please calm down. The use of the "F-Bomb" and your other choice of words makes you look like a redneck with anger-management issues.
even though, I guess "redneck" isnt really race-specific now, is it?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 20, 2012 09:46PM
@dazed - you seem to miss the "would that make you fucking happy" part of Harsh's response. Was just returning in like kind, thank you very much. And yes, bringing up Gardner's kids in this whole thing pisses me off - could care less what you think of my race (or what you think my race is LoLz)
@Harsh - I am cause your mom must have killed herself the moment you were born :)
@Harsh - I am cause your mom must have killed herself the moment you were born :)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed and Confused IVI
()
Date: June 20, 2012 10:39PM
"you seem to miss the "would that make you fucking happy" part of Harsh's response. Was just returning in like kind, thank you very much"
Overlooking Harsh's use of "fucking,", I am saying he is being sarcastic, probably concerning the violence espoused by some of the posters here, and it seems you had just the reaction he was looking for.
"could care less what you think of my race (or what you think my race is LoLz)"
What did I say that made any mention of your race?
It would behove you to read and think before responding to posts
Overlooking Harsh's use of "fucking,", I am saying he is being sarcastic, probably concerning the violence espoused by some of the posters here, and it seems you had just the reaction he was looking for.
"could care less what you think of my race (or what you think my race is LoLz)"
What did I say that made any mention of your race?
It would behove you to read and think before responding to posts
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed and Confused IVI
()
Date: June 20, 2012 10:44PM
behoove, not "Behove"
It would behove (sic) you to read and think before responding to posts LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 20, 2012 11:23PM
@Dazed - sarcasm is funny. Talking about the death of those kids who didnt do shit to anybody and are dealing with enough crap in their lives aint funny. - and about race? read the title of my last post ;)
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed and Confused IVI
()
Date: June 21, 2012 07:50AM
@GordonBlvd, After taking the time to read your numerous posts on this subject, it appears I was mistaken; you're not a redneck, you're a violent, unducated, unfunny redneck, who feigns hand-wringing concern for these children as an excuse to fantasize about forcing someone to be drink a quart of motor oil, setting someone on fire, and throwing someone off a bridge, "Size 11 therapy right up yr ass, yo," ""YES ASSHOLE! I HAVE A RAGE PROBLEM,"etc, etc. And anyone who isn't in your amen-corner is a pedo-fag, or some other colorful term.
I'm a newcomer to this site, but your nonsensical insertion of random photos in your comments is just about as amusing as your folksy diction and spelling ("aint," "yo," "prolly,".
You claim to have children. Do you act out like this around them? Would you let them see what you are posting here?
I'm a newcomer to this site, but your nonsensical insertion of random photos in your comments is just about as amusing as your folksy diction and spelling ("aint," "yo," "prolly,".
You claim to have children. Do you act out like this around them? Would you let them see what you are posting here?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 21, 2012 08:00AM
@Dazed - first off, taking time to read my numerous posts is quite a pathetic pastime and might be indicative of mental illness - I'm just telling ya cause the lsat person who was that into my posts................well here's the link: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/921849.html - if you want to be like that, that's all on you then LoLz
anywho, this is a GROWNUP site - we responsible parents try to (operative word try LoLz) keep our kids off this site. I know my kids arent too interested in this crap. When they get older, maybe they will visit..........but I doubt it will happen until they are mature enough to handle the horrible "dirty words"
My kids arent allowed at Ibiza or Ultra either - we grownup dont always act the same in "adult areas" the same way we do around the kiddies. Not. Rocket. Science.
p.s. pedos piss me off. Attacking innocent kids pisses me off. So yes, asshole - I have a RAGE problem when it comes to these things. Dunno why if you arent a pedo or pedo supporter why anyone would care about it, though.
anywho, this is a GROWNUP site - we responsible parents try to (operative word try LoLz) keep our kids off this site. I know my kids arent too interested in this crap. When they get older, maybe they will visit..........but I doubt it will happen until they are mature enough to handle the horrible "dirty words"
My kids arent allowed at Ibiza or Ultra either - we grownup dont always act the same in "adult areas" the same way we do around the kiddies. Not. Rocket. Science.
p.s. pedos piss me off. Attacking innocent kids pisses me off. So yes, asshole - I have a RAGE problem when it comes to these things. Dunno why if you arent a pedo or pedo supporter why anyone would care about it, though.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed and Confused IVI
()
Date: June 21, 2012 01:47PM
pedos piss me off. Attacking innocent kids pisses me off. So yes, asshole - I have a RAGE problem when it comes to these things. Dunno why if you arent a pedo or pedo supporter why anyone would care about it, though.
.
.
.
Amazing. I ask you a simple question, and I'm not only an asshole, but apparently, also a supporter of pedophiles. You're grasp of logic would be amusing if it weren't so sad.
I'm sure you're a prize parent, with anger issues like you have. You can spell the word, Grownup," but acting like one is a different matter.
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.
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Amazing. I ask you a simple question, and I'm not only an asshole, but apparently, also a supporter of pedophiles. You're grasp of logic would be amusing if it weren't so sad.
I'm sure you're a prize parent, with anger issues like you have. You can spell the word, Grownup," but acting like one is a different matter.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Rose HIll Pitbull Assn.
()
Date: June 21, 2012 04:06PM
Don't let it bother you. If everyone who thinks GordonBlvd is an asshole is a pedophile, then this website is NAMBLA Headquarters!
LoLz
LoLz
Seriously! Why are all these ppl all focused up on me and the crap I say? Like I've got ANYTHING to do with this thread topic o_0
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 21, 2012 07:34PM
@Rose - if that's what yr into.....................
@Dazed - you must be a little confused cause you actually asked two questions i guess. Never thought you were seriously looking for an answer though, which is why I didnt bother with one. And yeah, I suck at parenting, not to mention at being a grownup. Nothing you can do about so stop taking all I say so seriously...........or thinking that I have ANY logic at all. LoLz
@Dazed - you must be a little confused cause you actually asked two questions i guess. Never thought you were seriously looking for an answer though, which is why I didnt bother with one. And yeah, I suck at parenting, not to mention at being a grownup. Nothing you can do about so stop taking all I say so seriously...........or thinking that I have ANY logic at all. LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Interested in Arlington
()
Date: August 14, 2012 08:39PM
Sentencing and possible new trial on the third charge (on which the jury hung) set for September 7. Sounds like appeal(s) cannot move forward until this occurs. Maybe he'll try to appeal any determinations made by CPS, too.
Suspect there might be more than a few supporters of Mr. G and his wife there. Wonder if there will be some there to rally around the victims and promote a tough sentence. Assuming the courtroom is open to the public, of course.
Suspect there might be more than a few supporters of Mr. G and his wife there. Wonder if there will be some there to rally around the victims and promote a tough sentence. Assuming the courtroom is open to the public, of course.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
one who knows
()
Date: August 15, 2012 02:10AM
The court room will be open to the public, however. The judge has the discretion to clear the court room if the child needs to testify. Not likely. Probably be a quick sentencing (22 years) then set some dates. He wont go down state for another few months. But HE IS SCHEDULED FOR TRANSFER TO STATE CUSTODY. Arlington won't do Robin any good. Southwest Virginia would be a better choice if she chooses to stick by this predator. And live "near" him. God help those kids. And her remaining cash.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
goodforyou
()
Date: August 15, 2012 07:38PM
He should be getting setteled into his new diggs just in time for the Holidays. Merry Christmas. His new roommates will call him
"Cho - Mo". And that will be the BEST thing that will happen to him. As a father of two daughters and from fathers everywhere, ROT IN HELL MICHAEL GARDNER. Take it like you deserve it. You do. And goodbye.
"Cho - Mo". And that will be the BEST thing that will happen to him. As a father of two daughters and from fathers everywhere, ROT IN HELL MICHAEL GARDNER. Take it like you deserve it. You do. And goodbye.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ForSure
()
Date: August 21, 2012 01:44PM
So, just so I understand. MG will be sentenced on Sept 7 for the 3 convictions (the 22 year sentence from the jury) and might also begin a trial on the original charge the jury was hung?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
one who knows
()
Date: August 22, 2012 05:00AM
ForSure Wrote:
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> So, just so I understand. MG will be sentenced on
> Sept 7 for the 3 convictions (the 22 year sentence
> from the jury) and might also begin a trial on the
> original charge the jury was hung?
>
> Thanks.
Correct. He will be sentenced to 22 years on the 7th. Kendricks will not reduce the sentence. That's a done deal. An appeal is expected but will not likely move forward until the remaining charges are resolved. It looks like the evidence is not as strong in the remaining charges as it was in the original trial and charges, so don't expect much more time for Mr. Gardner than 22 years. The Commonwealth of VA has no parole, so 22 years is 22 years. Done deal. We all hope his wife will not spend the rest of her life assets on appeals. It is a lost cause. He did it, and the prosecution dotted all the "I's and crossed the. "T's". Looks like Wallens Ridge or Red Onion for Mr. Gardner. Sorry buddy. Gonna be a long road.
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> So, just so I understand. MG will be sentenced on
> Sept 7 for the 3 convictions (the 22 year sentence
> from the jury) and might also begin a trial on the
> original charge the jury was hung?
>
> Thanks.
Correct. He will be sentenced to 22 years on the 7th. Kendricks will not reduce the sentence. That's a done deal. An appeal is expected but will not likely move forward until the remaining charges are resolved. It looks like the evidence is not as strong in the remaining charges as it was in the original trial and charges, so don't expect much more time for Mr. Gardner than 22 years. The Commonwealth of VA has no parole, so 22 years is 22 years. Done deal. We all hope his wife will not spend the rest of her life assets on appeals. It is a lost cause. He did it, and the prosecution dotted all the "I's and crossed the. "T's". Looks like Wallens Ridge or Red Onion for Mr. Gardner. Sorry buddy. Gonna be a long road.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: August 22, 2012 06:46AM
I wonder if he will ever make it out?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
one who knows
()
Date: August 22, 2012 02:29PM
He is smart. And crafty. I bet he will see the light of day again.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ted Hanson
()
Date: August 22, 2012 03:11PM
I wonder if he will ever make it out?
Maybe he'll rat on another pedobear like you and get a few years taken off his sentence...LoLz!
Maybe he'll rat on another pedobear like you and get a few years taken off his sentence...LoLz!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: August 23, 2012 09:00AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lucidity
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Date: August 23, 2012 10:36AM
"I've been on this thread screaming for blood"
Why yes, you have.
LoLz
Why yes, you have.
LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: August 23, 2012 10:42AM
Lucidity Wrote:
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> "I've been on this thread screaming for blood"
>
> Why yes, you have.
>
> LoLz
No apologies.
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> "I've been on this thread screaming for blood"
>
> Why yes, you have.
>
> LoLz
No apologies.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Arlington
()
Date: August 23, 2012 12:35PM
Judge Kendricks will not reduce the 22 year sentence. He has never reduced a jury recommended sentence. Michael Gardner will get his 22 years. He can, however get out after serving 85% of the time if he gets credited for good behavior.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: August 23, 2012 04:42PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
BananaNutMuffin
()
Date: August 25, 2012 09:21PM
Too bad, so sad.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Elbow Protection
()
Date: August 25, 2012 10:09PM
Yes! I WIN!
I had a disagreement with Robin sometime before all this came down, and at the time I thought "Every dog has its day" and let it go.
22 years. That's 154 dog years, or 56,210 dog days. HA!
You sound like a real winner...
I had a disagreement with Robin sometime before all this came down, and at the time I thought "Every dog has its day" and let it go.
22 years. That's 154 dog years, or 56,210 dog days. HA!
You sound like a real winner...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Slash
()
Date: August 30, 2012 02:43PM
So did the G's sell their house?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
doesn't look like it
()
Date: August 30, 2012 03:06PM
Slash Wrote:
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> So did the G's sell their house?
Nope. Hasn't been listed and it is still in the name of Michael and Robin Gardner. They are probably running through his retirement to make payments or they are getting money from family to make the payments. Given that it was built brand new in 2003 and that it is assessed at over $1M, I doubt they own it outright.
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> So did the G's sell their house?
Nope. Hasn't been listed and it is still in the name of Michael and Robin Gardner. They are probably running through his retirement to make payments or they are getting money from family to make the payments. Given that it was built brand new in 2003 and that it is assessed at over $1M, I doubt they own it outright.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
TheNorthman
()
Date: August 31, 2012 08:20AM
Open
I have you now.
I have you now.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Someone
()
Date: August 31, 2012 02:57PM
Maybe they are renting it. Seems to be a new family living there.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
none for me
()
Date: August 31, 2012 03:38PM
Someone Wrote:
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> Maybe they are renting it. Seems to be a new
> family living there.
God, can you imagine living in a house where such horrendous crimes took place?
Yuck.
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> Maybe they are renting it. Seems to be a new
> family living there.
God, can you imagine living in a house where such horrendous crimes took place?
Yuck.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Driveoverhisballswithasteamroller
()
Date: August 31, 2012 03:48PM
Scumbag will not go quietly.
Michael Gardner Files Motion for Acquittal Or New Trial Ahead of Sept. 7 Sentencing
BY NICHOLAS F. BENTON
FRIDAY, AUGUST 31 2012 03:32:12 PM
Attorneys for Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, found guilty on three counts of child molestation last spring and facing sentencing in the Arlington Circuit Court on Sept. 7, filed an 11-page motion for an acquittal or a new trial backed by 36 pages of facts in the case, in the court yesterday. "From the earliest stages of the investigation, there were assumptions of guilt on the part of law enforcement...The lynchpin of the American justice system, the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, never attached in this case due to the perceptions about the case from the earliest stages," the motion states.
The evidence presented in the trial, it states, "even with all the procedural defects that impermissibly tilted the outcome in favor of a conviction, never rose to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt." Gardner was prejudiced, it states, as "every aspect of the pretrial proceedings was highly publicized with law enforcement and the City of Falls Church giving ready access to any reporter who would ask about sensitive case-related information," allowing "unsubtantiated prejudicial and false information" to be circulated throughout the region.
The motion challenges the "leading and suggestive questions" with the "overarching goal of having the children...corroborate the investigators' and Commonwealth's presupposition that Mr. Gardner committed the crimes charged. It notes that in September 2011, when DNA results had been returned, despite appeals to the contrary, "the Commonwealth immediately made the results part of the public record. Somehow the press was instantly aware of the filing and there was a firestorm of media attention. However, the media reports were gravely inaccurate, claiming that Mr. Gardner's sperm had been found in the pajama bottoms of (one alleged victim--ed.). In fact, the forensic report said the contrary: the results indicated that Mr. Gardner was excluded as a contributor of the sperm." It states that when a follow-up examination occurred, "Ironically, it was the sperm of (parent's name--ed.) the father of the complainant, whose sperm was found.
"To this date, the Falls Church Police Department, Child Protective Services, and every other local and state agency has abstained from conducting an investigation into how and why (parent's name--ed.) sperm was found within the internal crotch of his daughter's pajamas." The motion also cites the parents of the alleged victims "willfully misleading the prosecution and providing false statements, the one-sided handling of the child witnesses in the trial, the court's limiting of testimony attesting to Gardner's "lack of abusive propensities and good character," and the court's swift decision to order a mistrial in the case of the jury's indecision on a fourth count, "depriving Mr. Gardner of his opportunity for having this jury deliberate the proper outcome of the counts charged, in contravention of his rights," given that "the jury had not indicated it was irreversibly hung."
Read more at FCNP.com: http://www.fcnp.com/news/12513-michael-gardner-files-motion-for-acquittal-or-new-trial-ahead-of-sept-7-sentencing.html#ixzz259fRVWLV
Michael Gardner Files Motion for Acquittal Or New Trial Ahead of Sept. 7 Sentencing
BY NICHOLAS F. BENTON
FRIDAY, AUGUST 31 2012 03:32:12 PM
Attorneys for Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, found guilty on three counts of child molestation last spring and facing sentencing in the Arlington Circuit Court on Sept. 7, filed an 11-page motion for an acquittal or a new trial backed by 36 pages of facts in the case, in the court yesterday. "From the earliest stages of the investigation, there were assumptions of guilt on the part of law enforcement...The lynchpin of the American justice system, the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, never attached in this case due to the perceptions about the case from the earliest stages," the motion states.
The evidence presented in the trial, it states, "even with all the procedural defects that impermissibly tilted the outcome in favor of a conviction, never rose to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt." Gardner was prejudiced, it states, as "every aspect of the pretrial proceedings was highly publicized with law enforcement and the City of Falls Church giving ready access to any reporter who would ask about sensitive case-related information," allowing "unsubtantiated prejudicial and false information" to be circulated throughout the region.
The motion challenges the "leading and suggestive questions" with the "overarching goal of having the children...corroborate the investigators' and Commonwealth's presupposition that Mr. Gardner committed the crimes charged. It notes that in September 2011, when DNA results had been returned, despite appeals to the contrary, "the Commonwealth immediately made the results part of the public record. Somehow the press was instantly aware of the filing and there was a firestorm of media attention. However, the media reports were gravely inaccurate, claiming that Mr. Gardner's sperm had been found in the pajama bottoms of (one alleged victim--ed.). In fact, the forensic report said the contrary: the results indicated that Mr. Gardner was excluded as a contributor of the sperm." It states that when a follow-up examination occurred, "Ironically, it was the sperm of (parent's name--ed.) the father of the complainant, whose sperm was found.
"To this date, the Falls Church Police Department, Child Protective Services, and every other local and state agency has abstained from conducting an investigation into how and why (parent's name--ed.) sperm was found within the internal crotch of his daughter's pajamas." The motion also cites the parents of the alleged victims "willfully misleading the prosecution and providing false statements, the one-sided handling of the child witnesses in the trial, the court's limiting of testimony attesting to Gardner's "lack of abusive propensities and good character," and the court's swift decision to order a mistrial in the case of the jury's indecision on a fourth count, "depriving Mr. Gardner of his opportunity for having this jury deliberate the proper outcome of the counts charged, in contravention of his rights," given that "the jury had not indicated it was irreversibly hung."
Read more at FCNP.com: http://www.fcnp.com/news/12513-michael-gardner-files-motion-for-acquittal-or-new-trial-ahead-of-sept-7-sentencing.html#ixzz259fRVWLV
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
TheNorthman
()
Date: September 01, 2012 12:36PM
open sesame
I have you now.
I have you now.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Father
()
Date: September 10, 2012 11:13PM
Gotta like Judge Kendrick.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/22-years-for-michael-gardner-in-sexual-battery-case/2012/09/07/a9162c9e-f911-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/22-years-for-michael-gardner-in-sexual-battery-case/2012/09/07/a9162c9e-f911-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_story.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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()
Date: September 26, 2012 09:25AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Adipochre
()
Date: September 26, 2012 08:53PM
Yawn...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: September 27, 2012 07:56AM
@father - gotta LOVE the judge :)
@wingnut - sad reality is that we may NEVER know exactly how much the Gardner kids actually do know how much trash their dad is.
For all we know, the Gardner kids are FAR more "intimate" with knowledge on their father :(
@wingnut - sad reality is that we may NEVER know exactly how much the Gardner kids actually do know how much trash their dad is.
For all we know, the Gardner kids are FAR more "intimate" with knowledge on their father :(
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
So What?
()
Date: September 27, 2012 09:29AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @wingnut - sad reality is that we may NEVER know
> exactly how much the Gardner kids actually do know
> how much trash their dad is.
Why is it sad that we don't know this and why should we care?
> For all we know, the Gardner kids are FAR more
> "intimate" with knowledge on their father :(
For all we know, the Gardner kids have less "intimate" knowledge of their father. Who cares?
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> @wingnut - sad reality is that we may NEVER know
> exactly how much the Gardner kids actually do know
> how much trash their dad is.
Why is it sad that we don't know this and why should we care?
> For all we know, the Gardner kids are FAR more
> "intimate" with knowledge on their father :(
For all we know, the Gardner kids have less "intimate" knowledge of their father. Who cares?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Get Lost
()
Date: September 27, 2012 09:58AM
For all we know, the Gardner kids are FAR more "intimate" with knowledge on their father :(
What a rich fantasy life you have, Gordon...now please go away
What a rich fantasy life you have, Gordon...now please go away
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: September 27, 2012 10:10AM
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Gardner's a man of HIGH QUALITY, Gordo - he'd NEVER touch his own children!!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: September 27, 2012 10:24AM
cause, y'know............that would just be WRONG!!! o_0
@wingnut - i pray to God you are right...........but where there's smoke, y'know?
@get - yeah, a pedo wanting children. I'm just grasping at straws on that one................cause they never attack their own is that what you believe?
Seriously, wtf?
@wingnut - i pray to God you are right...........but where there's smoke, y'know?
@get - yeah, a pedo wanting children. I'm just grasping at straws on that one................cause they never attack their own is that what you believe?
Seriously, wtf?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Enough
()
Date: September 27, 2012 10:54AM
The kids have a tough, tough road ahead with a father locked up and a mother who is a blithering insane bitch in denial.
And you're making it better for them by constantly posting your bullshit and bring up this sad situation to more people? Do you think you're really contributing anything of value?
How about you just let the kids get on with their lives...
And you're making it better for them by constantly posting your bullshit and bring up this sad situation to more people? Do you think you're really contributing anything of value?
How about you just let the kids get on with their lives...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 27, 2012 11:18AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed Onlooker
()
Date: September 27, 2012 04:15PM
OK, so anyone who doesn't kiss your ass is a "pedofag."
That's just about your speed.
Sorry, not a "pedofag," and don't even know the Gardners.
Given your other illogical posts, I'm surprised you haven't blamed Obama for what Gardner did.
Have you noticed that the madder you get, the worse your spelling and grammar get?
By all means, keep posting and keep all us Pedofags laughing
That's just about your speed.
Sorry, not a "pedofag," and don't even know the Gardners.
Given your other illogical posts, I'm surprised you haven't blamed Obama for what Gardner did.
Have you noticed that the madder you get, the worse your spelling and grammar get?
By all means, keep posting and keep all us Pedofags laughing
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 27, 2012 04:36PM
Dazed Onlooker Wrote:
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> OK, so anyone who doesn't kiss your ass is a
> "pedofag."
>
> That's just about your speed.
>
> Sorry, not a "pedofag," and don't even know the
> Gardners.
>
> Given your other illogical posts, I'm surprised
> you haven't blamed Obama for what Gardner did.
>
> Have you noticed that the madder you get, the
> worse your spelling and grammar get?
>
>
> By all means, keep posting and keep all us
> Pedofags laughing
Let us know how your buddies appeal goes.
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> OK, so anyone who doesn't kiss your ass is a
> "pedofag."
>
> That's just about your speed.
>
> Sorry, not a "pedofag," and don't even know the
> Gardners.
>
> Given your other illogical posts, I'm surprised
> you haven't blamed Obama for what Gardner did.
>
> Have you noticed that the madder you get, the
> worse your spelling and grammar get?
>
>
> By all means, keep posting and keep all us
> Pedofags laughing
Let us know how your buddies appeal goes.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed Onlooker
()
Date: September 27, 2012 07:18PM
Wow, it's hard to deal with a wit such as yours.
Unfortunately, I don't know the person, so your argumentative house of cards is falling down. You seem to have a far more intimate knowledge of Gardner and his goings on than anyone else...hmm.
And...Sorry, Cotton Mather, it's "buddy's," not "buddies," incidentally.
Unfortunately, I don't know the person, so your argumentative house of cards is falling down. You seem to have a far more intimate knowledge of Gardner and his goings on than anyone else...hmm.
And...Sorry, Cotton Mather, it's "buddy's," not "buddies," incidentally.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: September 27, 2012 08:16PM
@dazed - lol whut?
@wingnut - it's a thread about children being sexually assaulted. So you know it's your grammar that's most important here, wingnut.
@enough - yes, yes - we should never speak of such things again. ALWAYS better to sweep such things under the table, right? Which Dioceses are you with again? LoLz
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@wingnut - it's a thread about children being sexually assaulted. So you know it's your grammar that's most important here, wingnut.
@enough - yes, yes - we should never speak of such things again. ALWAYS better to sweep such things under the table, right? Which Dioceses are you with again? LoLz
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
A Harsh Judge
()
Date: September 27, 2012 08:29PM
Hey GordonBlvd, how about you and your partner wingnut letting the Gardner family (specifically the kids) enjoy some degree of anonymity as they try to get on with their lives instead of revving up this thread again...or are you two having too much fun being the gay village scolds?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 27, 2012 08:52PM
A Harsh Judge Wrote:
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> Hey GordonBlvd, how about you and your partner
> wingnut letting the Gardner family (specifically
> the kids) enjoy some degree of anonymity as they
> try to get on with their lives instead of revving
> up this thread again...or are you two having too
> much fun being the gay village scolds?
Since you asked so nicely...
My posts will be gone as soon as your PedoPal exhausts his appeals, I've always maintained a pity for their children and I hope that that a sober and rational family member takes custody.
Or if I hear that the former Mayor of Falls Church has apologized publicly to the kids and the families of her hubby's victim.
Post will be deleted, I said that months ago.
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> Hey GordonBlvd, how about you and your partner
> wingnut letting the Gardner family (specifically
> the kids) enjoy some degree of anonymity as they
> try to get on with their lives instead of revving
> up this thread again...or are you two having too
> much fun being the gay village scolds?
Since you asked so nicely...
My posts will be gone as soon as your PedoPal exhausts his appeals, I've always maintained a pity for their children and I hope that that a sober and rational family member takes custody.
Or if I hear that the former Mayor of Falls Church has apologized publicly to the kids and the families of her hubby's victim.
Post will be deleted, I said that months ago.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Another Falls Church Resident
()
Date: September 27, 2012 11:06PM
What an idiot. You have an odd idea of "pity."
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 28, 2012 06:38AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Yet another Falls Church Residen
()
Date: September 28, 2012 10:15AM
"Dickwad," "pedo," "faggot,"...all in one sentence...wow
And the always reliable "Fuck you." I bet it took a long time for you to come up with that one.
Can't argue with crystaline logic like that.
Do you kiss your children with that mouth?
Just leave the Gardener children alone.
And the always reliable "Fuck you." I bet it took a long time for you to come up with that one.
Can't argue with crystaline logic like that.
Do you kiss your children with that mouth?
Just leave the Gardener children alone.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sycamore St
()
Date: September 28, 2012 10:52AM
Your dickwad, faggot pedo friend could have had this go away quietly and taken a plea bargain, probably would have gotten 5 years or less...
He chose a life sentence because he thought he could lawyer up and bully some little girls in the courtroom...
Some people I still know in the Gulch who know about the case say the wife has been a royal cunt about this too...
Hmmmmm...
Maybe the Gardners SHOULD HAVE WORRIED ABOUT THE CHILDREN? Their own and the victims..
Your friend and compatriot has an appeal going, and it will go nowhere and probably bankrupt his wife and affect his childrens future... Do you think he is doing the right thing? You want CLOSURE and RESPECT while this douchebag is still denying the hurt he caused?
Mikey- Drop your appeals and embrace the fact you are a sick pup and will die in a downstate blockbox....
Robin-STFU and give the apologies that you owe, be a mother to your children, NOT an imprisoned pedophiles wife in denial.
I was done with this thread months ago, but came back from vacation and saw Fat Mikey had been sentenced.
It's NEWSWORTHY.
FUCK you.
Your one prize asshole. Better go back on vacation
He chose a life sentence because he thought he could lawyer up and bully some little girls in the courtroom...
Some people I still know in the Gulch who know about the case say the wife has been a royal cunt about this too...
Hmmmmm...
Maybe the Gardners SHOULD HAVE WORRIED ABOUT THE CHILDREN? Their own and the victims..
Your friend and compatriot has an appeal going, and it will go nowhere and probably bankrupt his wife and affect his childrens future... Do you think he is doing the right thing? You want CLOSURE and RESPECT while this douchebag is still denying the hurt he caused?
Mikey- Drop your appeals and embrace the fact you are a sick pup and will die in a downstate blockbox....
Robin-STFU and give the apologies that you owe, be a mother to your children, NOT an imprisoned pedophiles wife in denial.
I was done with this thread months ago, but came back from vacation and saw Fat Mikey had been sentenced.
It's NEWSWORTHY.
FUCK you.
Your one prize asshole. Better go back on vacation
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dumbshit
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Date: September 28, 2012 11:10AM
OK, I admit I'm a dumbshit, but I don't understand how the DNA got on the kids' clothes. Was it semen, blood, spit, sweat, or something else? How did it get from his body to theirs? Was this addressed at the trial?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: September 28, 2012 12:24PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Go Away, Thanks.
()
Date: September 28, 2012 05:30PM
2013 is gonna be an INTERESTING YEAR for one fat pedofag!
Are you planning on doing something interesting?
LOL
Are you planning on doing something interesting?
LOL
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Tag Team?
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Date: September 28, 2012 07:21PM
OK, I admit I'm a dumbshit, but I don't understand how the DNA got on the kids' clothes. Was it semen, blood, spit, sweat, or something else? How did it get from his body to theirs? Was this addressed at the trial?.
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You might want to ask Wingnut. He has an alarmingly detailed knowledge of this case, almost as if he were there too!
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You might want to ask Wingnut. He has an alarmingly detailed knowledge of this case, almost as if he were there too!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: September 28, 2012 08:27PM
@tag, go away - lol whut?
@wingnut - I wonder how much if their kids college $$$$ is going to dad's defense fund?
@dumbshit - dunno if they ever said (or if they even know) what the source of the DNA was. But it's pretty odd and not NORMAL at all for yr neighbor's DNA to be found on yr babygirl's panties, dontcha think?
@wingnut - I wonder how much if their kids college $$$$ is going to dad's defense fund?
@dumbshit - dunno if they ever said (or if they even know) what the source of the DNA was. But it's pretty odd and not NORMAL at all for yr neighbor's DNA to be found on yr babygirl's panties, dontcha think?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Not the Spelling Police
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Date: September 29, 2012 09:16PM
"My posts will be gone as soon as your PedoPal exhausts his appeals."
No please, keep your posts up, Wingnut, and keep your posts coming. They're reliable proof of what a fucking asshole you are.
You must giggle every time you type "pedopal," or "pedofag."
And your overheated reference to Gardner getting a "dick in the ass"...sounds like you've been working on your gay prison romance novel.
At least you're not stalking the Gardner children...or maybe you are...
No please, keep your posts up, Wingnut, and keep your posts coming. They're reliable proof of what a fucking asshole you are.
You must giggle every time you type "pedopal," or "pedofag."
And your overheated reference to Gardner getting a "dick in the ass"...sounds like you've been working on your gay prison romance novel.
At least you're not stalking the Gardner children...or maybe you are...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: October 01, 2012 05:06PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Go Away, Thanks.
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Date: October 01, 2012 05:29PM
I'm done in this topic, so please don't ask me back... Just ask yourself though- WHY ARE YOU STILL DEFENDING THIS PUNK?..
No one asked you here in the first place.
And...No one here is "defending" Gardner. Go back and look at all the posts--taking a break to look at your "wit" in your previous postings...show just ONE person "defending" Gardner. You have an unhealthy fascination with Gardner and you're arguing with yourself at this point.
Just do the right thing and leave the Gardner family alone...the husband is in jail and the family is trying to pick up the pieces. They don't need you to keep bringing up the Gardner name--think about the Gardner kids, instead of patting yourself on the back for inventing "funny" words like "PEDOPERV."
It would be nice if you would actually follow up on your threat and stop posting here, but you're too much of an asshole for that.
No one asked you here in the first place.
And...No one here is "defending" Gardner. Go back and look at all the posts--taking a break to look at your "wit" in your previous postings...show just ONE person "defending" Gardner. You have an unhealthy fascination with Gardner and you're arguing with yourself at this point.
Just do the right thing and leave the Gardner family alone...the husband is in jail and the family is trying to pick up the pieces. They don't need you to keep bringing up the Gardner name--think about the Gardner kids, instead of patting yourself on the back for inventing "funny" words like "PEDOPERV."
It would be nice if you would actually follow up on your threat and stop posting here, but you're too much of an asshole for that.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 01, 2012 05:32PM
Go Away, Thanks. Wrote:
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> I'm done in this topic, so please don't ask me
> back... Just ask yourself though- WHY ARE YOU
> STILL DEFENDING THIS PUNK?..
>
>
>
>
> No one asked you here in the first place.
>
> And...No one here is "defending" Gardner. Go back
> and look at all the posts--taking a break to look
> at your "wit" in your previous postings...show
> just ONE person "defending" Gardner. You have an
> unhealthy fascination with Gardner and you're
> arguing with yourself at this point.
>
> Just do the right thing and leave the Gardner
> family alone...the husband is in jail and the
> family is trying to pick up the pieces. They
> don't need you to keep bringing up the Gardner
> name--think about the Gardner kids, instead of
> patting yourself on the back for inventing "funny"
> words like "PEDOPERV."
>
> It would be nice if you would actually follow up
> on your threat and stop posting here, but you're
> too much of an asshole for that.
The family is "tryig to pick up the pieces" by DENYING Michael Gardners guilt and angling for another day in court to attack some young girls on the witness stand.
Am I wrong???
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> I'm done in this topic, so please don't ask me
> back... Just ask yourself though- WHY ARE YOU
> STILL DEFENDING THIS PUNK?..
>
>
>
>
> No one asked you here in the first place.
>
> And...No one here is "defending" Gardner. Go back
> and look at all the posts--taking a break to look
> at your "wit" in your previous postings...show
> just ONE person "defending" Gardner. You have an
> unhealthy fascination with Gardner and you're
> arguing with yourself at this point.
>
> Just do the right thing and leave the Gardner
> family alone...the husband is in jail and the
> family is trying to pick up the pieces. They
> don't need you to keep bringing up the Gardner
> name--think about the Gardner kids, instead of
> patting yourself on the back for inventing "funny"
> words like "PEDOPERV."
>
> It would be nice if you would actually follow up
> on your threat and stop posting here, but you're
> too much of an asshole for that.
The family is "tryig to pick up the pieces" by DENYING Michael Gardners guilt and angling for another day in court to attack some young girls on the witness stand.
Am I wrong???
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Go Away, Thanks.
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Date: October 01, 2012 05:37PM
Wow, a response in 3 minutes....I thought you were leaving
Yes, you are wrong..and you're still an asshole.
Yes, you are wrong..and you're still an asshole.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 01, 2012 05:45PM
I'm serious this time, I'm leaving.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
send him downstate NOW
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Date: October 09, 2012 02:30PM
The fuckstick was sentenced over a month ago. Why hasn't he been sent to a real prison, or at least Coffeewood for initial intake? Why are they letting him serve his time in the posh ADC?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: October 11, 2012 08:23AM
@send - it prolly is just paperwork.......but it could be $$$$$ keeping it held up, i dunno
@wingnut - funny how goaway could never admit to defending Gardner even though last thing he/she said was leave alone the person funding his defense o_0
and yeah, you are wrong............or at least that pic is - LoLz
@wingnut - funny how goaway could never admit to defending Gardner even though last thing he/she said was leave alone the person funding his defense o_0
and yeah, you are wrong............or at least that pic is - LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Troof
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Date: October 11, 2012 09:13AM
I'm really curious about your reading skills, Gordon...read again what goaway wrote...feel free to move your lips...no one is defending Gardner.
I guess you're mad since you got so spanked when you tried being a blowhard on the missing hish schooler thread and had to come back here to get a hug from wingnut
I guess you're mad since you got so spanked when you tried being a blowhard on the missing hish schooler thread and had to come back here to get a hug from wingnut
notice they follow me fromk thread to thread - like leeches in a swamp LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: October 11, 2012 03:29PM
@troof - his wife is................but since you're so obsessed with me and not the topic at hand I can see how you missed that part of it..................................
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Not even close
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Date: October 11, 2012 04:07PM
Oh yes, the ever-reliable Gordon response #43554...anyone who doesn't agree with you is obsessed with you...
You pulled that clunker out with your recent teenage suicide thread..you made lots of friends there, Gordo.
Please feel free to continue posting.
You pulled that clunker out with your recent teenage suicide thread..you made lots of friends there, Gordo.
Please feel free to continue posting.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
To Gordon Blvd
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Date: October 11, 2012 04:32PM
Can I see your breasts again? Forgot to save the picture.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: October 11, 2012 04:54PM
ok, I'll bite..........
@not - if yr not obsessed then why is it you are, if not into anything I'm saying, responding to me (by name, even) - just curious why yr incapable of ignoring me, is all o_0
@To Gordon - ask yr mom she's got TONS of copies ;)
@not - if yr not obsessed then why is it you are, if not into anything I'm saying, responding to me (by name, even) - just curious why yr incapable of ignoring me, is all o_0
@To Gordon - ask yr mom she's got TONS of copies ;)
Re: notice they follow me fromk thread to thread - like leeches in a swamp LoLz
Posted by:
HOA MGR
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Date: October 12, 2012 01:37PM
A simple click on his name revealed this.
User Profile : Gordon Blvd
Email: Hidden
Real Name: Apparently Caleb something or another............ o_0
Posts: 5,113
Registered: 03/20/2011 11:24PM
Then another simple click to see his recent posts allows you to pull the curtain back. It also allowed me to do a quick cut-n-paste into these threads to enlighten.
63 posts per week for 81 weeks
over 8 posts per day for the last 572 days
User Profile : Gordon Blvd
Email: Hidden
Real Name: Apparently Caleb something or another............ o_0
Posts: 5,113
Registered: 03/20/2011 11:24PM
Then another simple click to see his recent posts allows you to pull the curtain back. It also allowed me to do a quick cut-n-paste into these threads to enlighten.
63 posts per week for 81 weeks
over 8 posts per day for the last 572 days
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gardner a sociopath
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Date: October 12, 2012 03:25PM
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA) - The similarities between what Jerry Sandusky and Michael Gardner said at their sentencings were "stunning" to Dan and Kristina Rice whose daughter was molested by Gardner. They see many parallels in the two cases, beginning with the fact that the two men had big reputations.
Gardner was an attorney and had been the head of the Falls Church Democratic party. His wife is a former Falls Church City mayor and councilmember.
Despite indisputable evidence which found Gardner's DNA on the crotch of one girl's underpants, which was key in the jury's conviction, friends and family members, including his wife, refuse to believe he did it. And on his sentencing day September 7th, Gardner offered no apology. Instead, he said he had been "falsely accused and wrongly convicted."
Dan and Kristina Rice were not surprised neither Sandusky nor Gardner admitted their crimes.
"They're still fighting it. They think there's a chance they can get out. If you're going to appeal, you can't really apologize. Also, they still both have wives that love them and families who support them. And if they ever did admit it, they could lose that," said Dan Rice.
While Jerry Sundusky, 68, will die in prison, having been sentenced to at least 30 years in prison, Gardner, 49, received 22 years behind bars.
"It's very frightening, because the fact is, Gardner could be out in his 70s and molesting children again."
Also, both Sandusky and Gardner blamed their victims at their sentencings. Gardner said in court, "A cry for help has been hijacked and that has cast us into darkness."
"Each of the parents though he was talking about their own daughter. We assumed it was our daughter, but each of the parents thought he was talking about their daughter. There wasn't one child. There were three children," said Kristina Rice.
Clinical Psychologist Dr. Kacie Fisher says, "Pediphiles who act on their sexual fantasies, who concurrently have positions of status, power and authority, is that they tend to be highly narcissistic and have sociopathic tendencies."
She says they have incredibly inflated egos and are impervious to criticism, putting people in their lives who will support the image they've created.
"They tend to lead dual lives. They can enjoy these positions of status and power, while having secret dark fantasies that they may or may not act on, but typically involve gratifying these impulses to harm others, and they tend to never feel remorse," Dr. Fisher said.
She said they often create a web of lies and enjoy a rush when they act out their dark fantasies.
If they ever do admit to wrongdoing, they will make many excuses and rationalize and often blame the victim.
A major difference between the Sandusky case and Gardner's is that in Gardner's, the victims came forward immediately and were believed. The Rices' daughter learned about "good touch bad touch" at school and to tell a trusted adult if a "bad touch" ever happened.
But after the incident, she told her parents she wished she also been taught what do when the assault was happening. What she did do, and testified to in court, did get him to stop fondling her "girl part." She rolled over, knocking his hands off her, and pretended to wake up.
Gardner was an attorney and had been the head of the Falls Church Democratic party. His wife is a former Falls Church City mayor and councilmember.
Despite indisputable evidence which found Gardner's DNA on the crotch of one girl's underpants, which was key in the jury's conviction, friends and family members, including his wife, refuse to believe he did it. And on his sentencing day September 7th, Gardner offered no apology. Instead, he said he had been "falsely accused and wrongly convicted."
Dan and Kristina Rice were not surprised neither Sandusky nor Gardner admitted their crimes.
"They're still fighting it. They think there's a chance they can get out. If you're going to appeal, you can't really apologize. Also, they still both have wives that love them and families who support them. And if they ever did admit it, they could lose that," said Dan Rice.
While Jerry Sundusky, 68, will die in prison, having been sentenced to at least 30 years in prison, Gardner, 49, received 22 years behind bars.
"It's very frightening, because the fact is, Gardner could be out in his 70s and molesting children again."
Also, both Sandusky and Gardner blamed their victims at their sentencings. Gardner said in court, "A cry for help has been hijacked and that has cast us into darkness."
"Each of the parents though he was talking about their own daughter. We assumed it was our daughter, but each of the parents thought he was talking about their daughter. There wasn't one child. There were three children," said Kristina Rice.
Clinical Psychologist Dr. Kacie Fisher says, "Pediphiles who act on their sexual fantasies, who concurrently have positions of status, power and authority, is that they tend to be highly narcissistic and have sociopathic tendencies."
She says they have incredibly inflated egos and are impervious to criticism, putting people in their lives who will support the image they've created.
"They tend to lead dual lives. They can enjoy these positions of status and power, while having secret dark fantasies that they may or may not act on, but typically involve gratifying these impulses to harm others, and they tend to never feel remorse," Dr. Fisher said.
She said they often create a web of lies and enjoy a rush when they act out their dark fantasies.
If they ever do admit to wrongdoing, they will make many excuses and rationalize and often blame the victim.
A major difference between the Sandusky case and Gardner's is that in Gardner's, the victims came forward immediately and were believed. The Rices' daughter learned about "good touch bad touch" at school and to tell a trusted adult if a "bad touch" ever happened.
But after the incident, she told her parents she wished she also been taught what do when the assault was happening. What she did do, and testified to in court, did get him to stop fondling her "girl part." She rolled over, knocking his hands off her, and pretended to wake up.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
PurpleMonster
()
Date: October 12, 2012 03:59PM
22 years seems light if they want to make sure he never does it again. Assuming he loses the appeal, how much time is he actually going to serve? 10 years and probation after that? He's going to be out before 70.
BREAKING NEWS!! Gordon Blvd posts alot on Fairfax Underground!!!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: October 13, 2012 02:16PM
do all crazy ppl not understand that we already know I use this site alot? LoLz
@purple - it sounds light but it really isnt - in fact I think it's like the close to the max he could get for the crimes (i could be wrong on that) and I think yeah, he will be serving all the time. VERY doubtful he could manage to see 70 on the outside.
@purple - it sounds light but it really isnt - in fact I think it's like the close to the max he could get for the crimes (i could be wrong on that) and I think yeah, he will be serving all the time. VERY doubtful he could manage to see 70 on the outside.
Re: BREAKING NEWS!! Gordon Blvd posts alot on Fairfax Underground!!!
Posted by:
Glad he is gone
()
Date: October 13, 2012 02:50PM
In Virginia, there is no early parole. They abolished it in 1995 for felonies. They do have a parole that the judge can order to occur after the sentence is completed for up to three years which he did in this case. So after the 22 years are served, he will be out, but on parole for another 3.
Re: BREAKING NEWS!! Gordon Blvd posts alot on Fairfax Underground!!!
Posted by:
Glad he is gone
()
Date: October 14, 2012 03:22PM
Actually, I was slightly off. The law is that a felon has to serve 85% of his term before they're eligible for parole. But considering the nature of the crime, it may be unlikely he will get out even those few years early.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
DOC #
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Date: November 01, 2012 11:29AM
Looks like Gardner finally got his DOC #
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/offenders/locator/results.cfm?OffenderId=A63DC1728BFA712A&LastName=4CCC582B2CC76ECB&FirstName=A99B2F600FA2F37B
Only a matter of time before he get sent down to Coffeewood and then further on down state.
Any bets on how long the creep lasts?
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/offenders/locator/results.cfm?OffenderId=A63DC1728BFA712A&LastName=4CCC582B2CC76ECB&FirstName=A99B2F600FA2F37B
Only a matter of time before he get sent down to Coffeewood and then further on down state.
Any bets on how long the creep lasts?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mslydiaz
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Date: December 22, 2012 01:11PM
Actually I am an avid reader just sort of lazy is all didnt realise what a public
forum this is not unlike the public stockyards.
But did wish to apologise to the community at large for my posts after further
evaluation of the facts of the case and my initial knee jerk reaction to try to make sense of the senseless and to try to find the good in the bad I defended that which is not defendable.
I can only pray for the soul of my former friend that he will find time to reflect and ask forgiveness for his heiness crimes and that his wife and children will have time to heal and to come to peace.
forum this is not unlike the public stockyards.
But did wish to apologise to the community at large for my posts after further
evaluation of the facts of the case and my initial knee jerk reaction to try to make sense of the senseless and to try to find the good in the bad I defended that which is not defendable.
I can only pray for the soul of my former friend that he will find time to reflect and ask forgiveness for his heiness crimes and that his wife and children will have time to heal and to come to peace.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mslydiaz
()
Date: December 22, 2012 01:43PM
After careful review I have changed my mindset in reference to Michael Gardner
I now believe the evidence is conclusive that he is in fact guilty of that which he is charged and I wish to comment to the community as I was trying to make sense of the senseless. I actually experienced cognitive dissonance hoping upon hope that it couldnt be true. I am a passionate person who is fiercely loyal and
not always accepting of ugly truths which is not a bad quality to have in real estate as I treat each person's home with the same zeal and fervor that I would my own. I would like to express my sympathies to the wife and kids may they find peace in this holiday season.
I now believe the evidence is conclusive that he is in fact guilty of that which he is charged and I wish to comment to the community as I was trying to make sense of the senseless. I actually experienced cognitive dissonance hoping upon hope that it couldnt be true. I am a passionate person who is fiercely loyal and
not always accepting of ugly truths which is not a bad quality to have in real estate as I treat each person's home with the same zeal and fervor that I would my own. I would like to express my sympathies to the wife and kids may they find peace in this holiday season.
another piece of work. just incredible.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: December 22, 2012 05:37PM
In-effing-credible................
......................you know, why bother. You obviously arent gonna care about them anyways as you arent even thinking about them now after all this, so why bring it up? Rant erased. But I will just throw out that for someone so passionate, it's kinda funny who you've choosen to (and NOT TO) pray healing for..................
Merry Christmas, Kiddos!! YOUR BRAVERY STILL LIVES! IS STILL REMEMBERED!!!
......................you know, why bother. You obviously arent gonna care about them anyways as you arent even thinking about them now after all this, so why bring it up? Rant erased. But I will just throw out that for someone so passionate, it's kinda funny who you've choosen to (and NOT TO) pray healing for..................
Merry Christmas, Kiddos!! YOUR BRAVERY STILL LIVES! IS STILL REMEMBERED!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Obscure Reference
()
Date: December 22, 2012 09:36PM
It is better to say nothing and be thought of as an idiot, than to speak and be known as GordonBlvd...
If bringing bullshit like this to light is idiocracy, then sign me up!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: December 23, 2012 09:07AM
@obscure - only cowards stand by and say NOTHING when it comes to pedophilia.
FUCK YOU AND THOSE WHO WOULD STAND SILENT IN FACE OF SUCH CRIMES.
FUCK YOU AND THOSE WHO WOULD STAND SILENT IN FACE OF SUCH CRIMES.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Quoting Obscure Reference
()
Date: December 23, 2012 10:34AM
@obscure - only cowards stand by and say NOTHING when it comes to pedophilia.
FUCK YOU AND THOSE WHO WOULD STAND SILENT IN FACE OF SUCH CRIMES.
Oh noes, GordonBlvd is getting wound up AND butthurt at the same time...
After you have a nice cup of tea, compose yourself and give one...one...example of anyone here standing silent in the face of such crimes, defending such crimes...just one...if anything, this society tends to overeact in many cases of accusations of child abuse, Sean Lannigan, being one recent example, of an innocent man having his life ruined by overzealous police and prosecutors....
Gardner is going to jail for a long time...the system worked...OK?...who remained silent in this case? Please expound, if you're able
And just two days before Christmas, you're screaming "FUCK YOU" at someone...tsk, tsk. Gordon...that certainly shows your level of intelligence, maturity and Christian forbearance.
You're a sad little zealot who is doomed to have a miserable angry life...
FUCK YOU AND THOSE WHO WOULD STAND SILENT IN FACE OF SUCH CRIMES.
Oh noes, GordonBlvd is getting wound up AND butthurt at the same time...
After you have a nice cup of tea, compose yourself and give one...one...example of anyone here standing silent in the face of such crimes, defending such crimes...just one...if anything, this society tends to overeact in many cases of accusations of child abuse, Sean Lannigan, being one recent example, of an innocent man having his life ruined by overzealous police and prosecutors....
Gardner is going to jail for a long time...the system worked...OK?...who remained silent in this case? Please expound, if you're able
And just two days before Christmas, you're screaming "FUCK YOU" at someone...tsk, tsk. Gordon...that certainly shows your level of intelligence, maturity and Christian forbearance.
You're a sad little zealot who is doomed to have a miserable angry life...
pedofiles and their supporters piss me off - what can I say?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: December 23, 2012 01:06PM
@Quoting Obscure Reference - and my mommy dresses me funny LoLz
just curious - what parish separates levels of Christianity like the way you believe in? Never knew there were diff levels of God's Holy love.
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just curious - what parish separates levels of Christianity like the way you believe in? Never knew there were diff levels of God's Holy love.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
GordonBlvd is a Theologican?
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Date: December 23, 2012 03:14PM
BAM! GordonBlvd got schooled....again!
Sounds like someone got your number, GordonBlvd.
LoLz
Sounds like someone got your number, GordonBlvd.
LoLz
notice how they hang on liek my every word, hang on like every little thing I type? cute, aint it?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: December 23, 2012 09:20PM
@theo-yes, they "beat" me. I'm so ashamed!
ROFLMAO@U taking pride in someone "schooling" (i.e. trolling) Gordon Blvd
y'all really should start a new thread if you really wanna focus on me LoLz
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ROFLMAO@U taking pride in someone "schooling" (i.e. trolling) Gordon Blvd
y'all really should start a new thread if you really wanna focus on me LoLz
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Scarlet Letter
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Date: December 23, 2012 11:18PM
notice how they hang on liek my every word, hang on like every little thing I type? cute, aint it?
Um, I believe the posters were pointing out that you're a blowhard asshole with marginal writing and comprehension skills (see above), who elbows his/her way into many threads, yet contributes absolutely nothing...these people aren't trolling; they're stating facts.
Um, I believe the posters were pointing out that you're a blowhard asshole with marginal writing and comprehension skills (see above), who elbows his/her way into many threads, yet contributes absolutely nothing...these people aren't trolling; they're stating facts.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Someone
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Date: January 09, 2013 07:15AM
Original at http://fallschurch.patch.com/articles/gardner-appealing-sexual-battery-conviction contains links to other articles.
Gardner Appealing Sexual Battery Conviction
Lawyer for Michael Gardner said it could take months to have an appeals hearing.
By Andre L. Taylor
Former Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, who was convicted of molesting two girls at his daughter’s sleepover in 2011, is appealing his 22-year prison sentence.
Robin Gardner, Michael’s wife, said they knew immediately after the trial they would be appealing the conviction. She said Gardner receives letters from family and friends and can have visitors twice a week for 20 minutes each.
“He’s doing as well as to be expected,” she said of her husband in a telephone interview Tuesday. “He has a lot of support from family and friends.”
Gardner’s legal team, headed by Fairfax City-based attorney Peter Greenspun, filed the appeal on Jan. 2. Gardner was found guilty in May after he was accused of touching two girls in a sexual manner during a birthday sleepover for his daughter. The girls were 9 and 10 at the time. The prosecution introduced DNA evidence they said didn’t exclude Gardner who took the stand in his own defense in April. The two victims also took the stand during the trial. Greenspun said the appeal process could take several months.
Greenspun said the Arlington County Circuit Court, where Gardner’s trial was held, has time to respond to the Petition for Appeal. Any arguments would likely come in three to six months after a brief is filed. He said he isn’t introducing any new evidence at any appeals hearing.
“We feel very confident the Court of Appeals will see that the decisions in the circuit were wrong and that the remedy is new trials so the evidence can be properly and fully heard and considered,” Greenspun said Tuesday.
Gardner will remain in prison while any appeals hearings are carried on and his family and other supporters have vowed to continue to be in his corner. The Gardner’s remain steadfast in the belief Michael is innocent and that the Court of Appeals will see the miscarriage of justice that occurred during the trial, and will overturn the conviction.
“Michael and his family remain strong, committed to the process, and hopeful the obvious errors made during the trial will be noted and overturned. The family is frustrated at the process and at the situation they are facing, but continue to support each other and continue to hold strong to their faith and love,” Maya Jerome, Gardner’s sister, said in a written statement.
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"accused of touching two girls in a sexual manner"
Um, no. He was convicted on two counts of aggravated sexual assault and one count of object sexual penetration.
Gardner Appealing Sexual Battery Conviction
Lawyer for Michael Gardner said it could take months to have an appeals hearing.
By Andre L. Taylor
Former Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, who was convicted of molesting two girls at his daughter’s sleepover in 2011, is appealing his 22-year prison sentence.
Robin Gardner, Michael’s wife, said they knew immediately after the trial they would be appealing the conviction. She said Gardner receives letters from family and friends and can have visitors twice a week for 20 minutes each.
“He’s doing as well as to be expected,” she said of her husband in a telephone interview Tuesday. “He has a lot of support from family and friends.”
Gardner’s legal team, headed by Fairfax City-based attorney Peter Greenspun, filed the appeal on Jan. 2. Gardner was found guilty in May after he was accused of touching two girls in a sexual manner during a birthday sleepover for his daughter. The girls were 9 and 10 at the time. The prosecution introduced DNA evidence they said didn’t exclude Gardner who took the stand in his own defense in April. The two victims also took the stand during the trial. Greenspun said the appeal process could take several months.
Greenspun said the Arlington County Circuit Court, where Gardner’s trial was held, has time to respond to the Petition for Appeal. Any arguments would likely come in three to six months after a brief is filed. He said he isn’t introducing any new evidence at any appeals hearing.
“We feel very confident the Court of Appeals will see that the decisions in the circuit were wrong and that the remedy is new trials so the evidence can be properly and fully heard and considered,” Greenspun said Tuesday.
Gardner will remain in prison while any appeals hearings are carried on and his family and other supporters have vowed to continue to be in his corner. The Gardner’s remain steadfast in the belief Michael is innocent and that the Court of Appeals will see the miscarriage of justice that occurred during the trial, and will overturn the conviction.
“Michael and his family remain strong, committed to the process, and hopeful the obvious errors made during the trial will be noted and overturned. The family is frustrated at the process and at the situation they are facing, but continue to support each other and continue to hold strong to their faith and love,” Maya Jerome, Gardner’s sister, said in a written statement.
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"accused of touching two girls in a sexual manner"
Um, no. He was convicted on two counts of aggravated sexual assault and one count of object sexual penetration.
I may be a blowhard but at least I dont cum on children.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: January 09, 2013 07:23AM
translation: he's still horny, Gardner's family's and friends still in Cairo swimming in the river (and caring WAY more about him than about ANY kids (present OR future) in their community, apparently), and YOU THE TAXPAYER are gonna pay more to keep him away from kids
Good Morning.
Good Morning.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: January 24, 2013 08:22PM
Well, he now has a release date....June 2, 2031. Betting pool anyone?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ADC
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Date: January 25, 2013 01:46PM
22046 Wrote:
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> Well, he now has a release date....June 2, 2031.
> Betting pool anyone?
Yeah. But why is he still being housed in the Arlington County Detention Center. He shuold at least be in a reception and classification facility by now.
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> Well, he now has a release date....June 2, 2031.
> Betting pool anyone?
Yeah. But why is he still being housed in the Arlington County Detention Center. He shuold at least be in a reception and classification facility by now.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
BEH
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Date: January 25, 2013 01:50PM
His anus is undergoing orientation in anticipation of a rousing welcome from the most eligable bachelors in gen pop at the big house.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: January 25, 2013 01:54PM
@ADC - $
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
travesty
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Date: January 25, 2013 02:29PM
ADC Wrote:
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> 22046 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Well, he now has a release date....June 2,
> 2031.
> > Betting pool anyone?
>
>
> Yeah. But why is he still being housed in the
> Arlington County Detention Center. He shuold at
> least be in a reception and classification
> facility by now.
Look at this place:
http://www.arlnow.com/2010/08/06/a-look-inside-the-arlington-county-jail/
He gets his own room with a window. This place looks like a hotel that you can't leave, not a prison. Send his ass downsatate now!
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> 22046 Wrote:
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> > Well, he now has a release date....June 2,
> 2031.
> > Betting pool anyone?
>
>
> Yeah. But why is he still being housed in the
> Arlington County Detention Center. He shuold at
> least be in a reception and classification
> facility by now.
Look at this place:
http://www.arlnow.com/2010/08/06/a-look-inside-the-arlington-county-jail/
He gets his own room with a window. This place looks like a hotel that you can't leave, not a prison. Send his ass downsatate now!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
college boy
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Date: January 25, 2013 02:36PM
Nicer than what I lived in during college.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Long Timer
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Date: January 25, 2013 04:57PM
Don't worry, he's a D. He'll be out of jail in no time and the drones will elect him to office.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
dieing breed
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Date: January 25, 2013 07:12PM
Under many other circumstances I'd agree with you Long Timer, but I'm pretty sure this one's a keeper.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: January 25, 2013 07:17PM
does anybody SERIOUSLY know if he is being in the County jail longer than any other inmate would be? Is the Virginia Dept of Corrections showing favoritism to this particular inmate? Can anybody shed any light on the time period it normally takes for a pedo around here to go from jail to prison?
or it this just a normal thing?
edit - gotDAMN, that is a nice jail. Oh, Arlington................you guise are so funny sometimes LoLz
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or it this just a normal thing?
edit - gotDAMN, that is a nice jail. Oh, Arlington................you guise are so funny sometimes LoLz
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmm he firmly says he's innocent
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Date: January 25, 2013 07:56PM
Not having any thorough knowledge of this case, some thoughts none-the-less...
"DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
The girls were staying at his house, ovenight. Did they use the same toilet he used? Did they let their panties hit the ground in front of the toilet or did their butts hit the back part of the toilet seat they sat on?
When they brushed their teeth, did they lean against the sink?
They actually found SPERM from one the girls' dads on someone's clothes. Did they find the "Bad Guy's" semen/sperm ANYWHERE?
"DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
Was it a...you know...pubic hair? Skin flake? Fingernail? Blood? Urine? What!?
Anyway, I haven't been following this closely (just here, as a matter of fact) nor do I care that much - society will not suffer much from an innocent going to jail nor will it benefit noticeably from a guilty guy going to jail.
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I would tend to trust the scientific evidence MUCH more than the testimony from the kids - they were thoroughly biased by talking with each other and with their parents for hours (minimally) prior to everything official. But then again, I certainly wasn't on the jury listening to whoever testified so actually have no clue.
"DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
The girls were staying at his house, ovenight. Did they use the same toilet he used? Did they let their panties hit the ground in front of the toilet or did their butts hit the back part of the toilet seat they sat on?
When they brushed their teeth, did they lean against the sink?
They actually found SPERM from one the girls' dads on someone's clothes. Did they find the "Bad Guy's" semen/sperm ANYWHERE?
"DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
Was it a...you know...pubic hair? Skin flake? Fingernail? Blood? Urine? What!?
Anyway, I haven't been following this closely (just here, as a matter of fact) nor do I care that much - society will not suffer much from an innocent going to jail nor will it benefit noticeably from a guilty guy going to jail.
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I would tend to trust the scientific evidence MUCH more than the testimony from the kids - they were thoroughly biased by talking with each other and with their parents for hours (minimally) prior to everything official. But then again, I certainly wasn't on the jury listening to whoever testified so actually have no clue.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
But consider
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Date: January 25, 2013 11:16PM
hmm he firmly says he's innocent Wrote:
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> Not having any thorough knowledge of this case,
> some thoughts none-the-less...
>
> "DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
>
> The girls were staying at his house, ovenight. Did
> they use the same toilet he used? Did they let
> their panties hit the ground in front of the
> toilet or did their butts hit the back part of the
> toilet seat they sat on?
>
> When they brushed their teeth, did they lean
> against the sink?
>
> They actually found SPERM from one the girls' dads
> on someone's clothes. Did they find the "Bad
> Guy's" semen/sperm ANYWHERE?
>
> "DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
>
> Was it a...you know...pubic hair? Skin flake?
> Fingernail? Blood? Urine? What!?
>
> Anyway, I haven't been following this closely
> (just here, as a matter of fact) nor do I care
> that much - society will not suffer much from an
> innocent going to jail nor will it benefit
> noticeably from a guilty guy going to jail.
>
> =========
>
> I would tend to trust the scientific evidence MUCH
> more than the testimony from the kids - they were
> thoroughly biased by talking with each other and
> with their parents for hours (minimally) prior to
> everything official. But then again, I certainly
> wasn't on the jury listening to whoever testified
> so actually have no clue.
As far as the DNA questions you raise, I would ask why did they only find his DNA on the girls clothes and not the wife's or their kids? Since these were friends of the daughter, you would expect to find her DNA on her friends clothes from just playing as kids will do. They only found his DNA from the Gardner house.
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> Not having any thorough knowledge of this case,
> some thoughts none-the-less...
>
> "DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
>
> The girls were staying at his house, ovenight. Did
> they use the same toilet he used? Did they let
> their panties hit the ground in front of the
> toilet or did their butts hit the back part of the
> toilet seat they sat on?
>
> When they brushed their teeth, did they lean
> against the sink?
>
> They actually found SPERM from one the girls' dads
> on someone's clothes. Did they find the "Bad
> Guy's" semen/sperm ANYWHERE?
>
> "DNA evidence"...what the fuck does THAT mean?
>
> Was it a...you know...pubic hair? Skin flake?
> Fingernail? Blood? Urine? What!?
>
> Anyway, I haven't been following this closely
> (just here, as a matter of fact) nor do I care
> that much - society will not suffer much from an
> innocent going to jail nor will it benefit
> noticeably from a guilty guy going to jail.
>
> =========
>
> I would tend to trust the scientific evidence MUCH
> more than the testimony from the kids - they were
> thoroughly biased by talking with each other and
> with their parents for hours (minimally) prior to
> everything official. But then again, I certainly
> wasn't on the jury listening to whoever testified
> so actually have no clue.
As far as the DNA questions you raise, I would ask why did they only find his DNA on the girls clothes and not the wife's or their kids? Since these were friends of the daughter, you would expect to find her DNA on her friends clothes from just playing as kids will do. They only found his DNA from the Gardner house.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: January 26, 2013 11:43AM
@ College Boy: Yes, it looks nicer than what many of my Soldiers lived in when I was in the Army a thousand years ago. Late 70s early 80s in run-down barracks in Germany were not nearly that nice. BUT...it's still a JAIL! If you're in there, you may not have it as bad as you do in some other places, but it's still a jail. Not any place I'd like to be even for 1/100th of a nanosecond.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: January 26, 2013 11:44AM
@ hmm he firmly says he's innocent: I'm sure Gordon Blvd and some of the others on here will take you to task, so I won't do it for them, but I am going to get some popcorn and wait for the schooling to begin....5...4...3...2...1.....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: January 26, 2013 12:06PM
all that really needs to be said is all right here: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/608915/page-1.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Elevate
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Date: February 06, 2013 11:05PM
This tragically and unconscionably happened, please don't treat it as something you've seen at the theater. It's haunting, and the last thing a parent would ever want for his child or expect from folks he counted as friends, at their daughter's birthday party for her closest friends:
http://fcnp.com/2013/02/06/gardner-supporters-call-attention-to-lack-of-child-protective-role/
http://fcnp.com/2013/02/06/gardner-supporters-call-attention-to-lack-of-child-protective-role/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Someone
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Date: February 19, 2013 09:32AM
The Commonwealth Responds to Gardner’s Appeal on Aggravated Sexual Battery and Object Penetration Felony Convictions.
The Post is making available a copy of the Commonwealth’s brief in PDF form, which you can access from this site:
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2013/02/18/the-commonwealth-responds-to-gardners-appeal-on-aggravated-sexual-battery-and-object-penetration-felony-convictions/
The Post is making available a copy of the Commonwealth’s brief in PDF form, which you can access from this site:
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2013/02/18/the-commonwealth-responds-to-gardners-appeal-on-aggravated-sexual-battery-and-object-penetration-felony-convictions/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: February 19, 2013 09:41AM
@someone - thank you very much
@elevate blows my mind that pedobear still has "supporters" - cant even IMAGINE what's on their hard drives :(
@elevate blows my mind that pedobear still has "supporters" - cant even IMAGINE what's on their hard drives :(
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
dieing breed
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Date: February 19, 2013 09:55AM
Just glad this criminal isn't as of yet being permitted to search golf courses for the real perpetrator as was O.J.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Another Interested Party
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Date: March 20, 2013 07:00PM
VIRGINIA COURT OF APPEALS DENIES MICHAEL GARDNER PETITION
By Nicholas F. Benton
A judge for the Court of Appeals of Virginia today issued a ruling on a petition for appeal submitted on behalf of Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, denying the appeal on six grounds spelled out in a 14-page document. Gardner is currently serving a 22-year term at the Arlington Detention Center having been found guilty of molesting two underage girls at his home during his daughter’s slumber party in June 2011.
Today, the parent of one of the victims in the case issued the following statement to the News-Press today: “It was grueling and remains difficult for all involved, but justice has been done, and upheld in no uncertain terms. Citizens of Falls Church should be proud that their young, brave girl citizens have ultimately been heard and protected. Michael Gardner’s assignment to the state penitentiary should be acted on without delay. It makes no sense for him to remain in Arlington County jail.”
However, Gardner’s wife, former Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner, told the News-Press, “Although we’re disappointed, this is the first step in the appeal process, and we will continue.” Gardner has 14 days to file an appeal to appear before a three-judge appeals court panel, and beyond that there is the option for an appeal to the State Supreme Court.
By Nicholas F. Benton
A judge for the Court of Appeals of Virginia today issued a ruling on a petition for appeal submitted on behalf of Falls Church resident Michael Gardner, denying the appeal on six grounds spelled out in a 14-page document. Gardner is currently serving a 22-year term at the Arlington Detention Center having been found guilty of molesting two underage girls at his home during his daughter’s slumber party in June 2011.
Today, the parent of one of the victims in the case issued the following statement to the News-Press today: “It was grueling and remains difficult for all involved, but justice has been done, and upheld in no uncertain terms. Citizens of Falls Church should be proud that their young, brave girl citizens have ultimately been heard and protected. Michael Gardner’s assignment to the state penitentiary should be acted on without delay. It makes no sense for him to remain in Arlington County jail.”
However, Gardner’s wife, former Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner, told the News-Press, “Although we’re disappointed, this is the first step in the appeal process, and we will continue.” Gardner has 14 days to file an appeal to appear before a three-judge appeals court panel, and beyond that there is the option for an appeal to the State Supreme Court.
ardner is currently serving a 22-year term at the Arlington Detention Center
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: March 20, 2013 07:28PM
WHY THE FUCK IS A CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER NOT IN PRISON!?!?!
Chirst, Arlington - I know y'all are pretty open in what y'all allow and y'all believe in - BUT THE GUY PUT HIS FINGERS INTO LITTLE GIRLS!!!
You dont coddle ppl like that - you put them in PRISON!
But Gordo! He's got 14 days! We dont want him having any DISCOMFORT o_0
Chirst, Arlington - I know y'all are pretty open in what y'all allow and y'all believe in - BUT THE GUY PUT HIS FINGERS INTO LITTLE GIRLS!!!
You dont coddle ppl like that - you put them in PRISON!
But Gordo! He's got 14 days! We dont want him having any DISCOMFORT o_0
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 27, 2013 10:54AM
LOL.
The money wasting continues, the dumb blonde paid probaby mid five figures for this pointless appeal. Should save the money for the psych help you will need when reality slaps you, Robin.
From the FC Patch:
For now, Gardner remains imprisoned at the Arlington County Detention Center and that he remains there instead of in a state facility bothers at least one of the parents of one of Gardner’s victims.
"It was grueling and remains difficult for all involved, but justice has been done, and upheld in no uncertain terms. Citizens of Falls Church should be proud that their young, brave girl citizens have ultimately been heard and protected. Michael Gardner's assignment to the state penitentiary should be acted on without delay, it makes no sense for him to remain in Arlington County jail," the parent said in a written statement.
I am starting to think Chester has worked some kind of preferential treatment with his connection to Theo Stamos. There really is no good reason he has not been shipped down the road to at least a reception center. I don't think he needs to personally make any court appearance for the appeals process.
Come clean to your stupid wife and hang yourself already, Mikey.
Game over.
The money wasting continues, the dumb blonde paid probaby mid five figures for this pointless appeal. Should save the money for the psych help you will need when reality slaps you, Robin.
From the FC Patch:
For now, Gardner remains imprisoned at the Arlington County Detention Center and that he remains there instead of in a state facility bothers at least one of the parents of one of Gardner’s victims.
"It was grueling and remains difficult for all involved, but justice has been done, and upheld in no uncertain terms. Citizens of Falls Church should be proud that their young, brave girl citizens have ultimately been heard and protected. Michael Gardner's assignment to the state penitentiary should be acted on without delay, it makes no sense for him to remain in Arlington County jail," the parent said in a written statement.
I am starting to think Chester has worked some kind of preferential treatment with his connection to Theo Stamos. There really is no good reason he has not been shipped down the road to at least a reception center. I don't think he needs to personally make any court appearance for the appeals process.
Come clean to your stupid wife and hang yourself already, Mikey.
Game over.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: March 27, 2013 02:02PM
Personally I don't care where he's incarcerated. He's off the streets.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
joink
()
Date: April 11, 2013 11:35AM
who's the fat ass?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: April 11, 2013 01:26PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2015 11:56PM by WingNut.
really? REALLY!?!?! You SERIOUSLY sitting there thinking the parents havent been doing everything short of torches and pitchforks at this point, bro?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 11, 2013 02:45PM
but at the end of the day, Wingnut..........................is it really that suspicious?
a) woman is using her connections to keep her "man" near her
b) $$$$$$$$$ & DCish power go a looooooooong way.
c) we the public dont seem to give a fuck anymore :(
what's really funny is how same system giving Gardner a handjob currently? It's the same system who would have sent a grieving upset parent to a pit hole in hell for taking any justice against Gardner. Dont that beat all? LoLz
a) woman is using her connections to keep her "man" near her
b) $$$$$$$$$ & DCish power go a looooooooong way.
c) we the public dont seem to give a fuck anymore :(
what's really funny is how same system giving Gardner a handjob currently? It's the same system who would have sent a grieving upset parent to a pit hole in hell for taking any justice against Gardner. Dont that beat all? LoLz
and y'all tell me it's immgrants making us all third world?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: April 11, 2013 02:56PM
22046 Wrote:
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> Personally I don't care where he's incarcerated.
> He's off the streets.
let me tell ya something..........................that asshole - and ANY asshole who does to little kids what that man did, AND IS STILL DOING..............deserves nothing more than the State PRISON system.
you may not care about those kids and their fams getting the justice they DESERVE, but I do.
Court convicted the man. HE SHOULD BE IN THE STATE PRISON SYSTEM PENDING ANY JUDICIAL REVIEW OF HIS CASE and the preferential treatment he is getting by getting to stay to close to his friends and family is sickening.
What that EQUALS is Arlington County, Commonwealth of Virginia, you, me and every other citizen of this state telling those 3 girls "Hey kiddo - we really actually dont care that man touched ya. In fact we really dont even believe what you say happened that;s why we arent treating him the same way we would someone who REALLY did something like what you said he did. Why dont you just run along and play now and just pretend it didnt happen, k?"
and that, my friend , is some FUCKED UP SHIT.
asshole needs to go to some hole downstate with every other sexual assualt asswipe. If we cant fucking manage to give justice to little kids (and after a FULL JURY CONVICTION, mind you) - then what the fuck is wrong with us, yo?
edit: Hey, County of Arlington: TREATING CHILD RAPE LIKE A GODDAMN JOKE is not really cool, k?
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> Personally I don't care where he's incarcerated.
> He's off the streets.
let me tell ya something..........................that asshole - and ANY asshole who does to little kids what that man did, AND IS STILL DOING..............deserves nothing more than the State PRISON system.
you may not care about those kids and their fams getting the justice they DESERVE, but I do.
Court convicted the man. HE SHOULD BE IN THE STATE PRISON SYSTEM PENDING ANY JUDICIAL REVIEW OF HIS CASE and the preferential treatment he is getting by getting to stay to close to his friends and family is sickening.
What that EQUALS is Arlington County, Commonwealth of Virginia, you, me and every other citizen of this state telling those 3 girls "Hey kiddo - we really actually dont care that man touched ya. In fact we really dont even believe what you say happened that;s why we arent treating him the same way we would someone who REALLY did something like what you said he did. Why dont you just run along and play now and just pretend it didnt happen, k?"
and that, my friend , is some FUCKED UP SHIT.
asshole needs to go to some hole downstate with every other sexual assualt asswipe. If we cant fucking manage to give justice to little kids (and after a FULL JURY CONVICTION, mind you) - then what the fuck is wrong with us, yo?
edit: Hey, County of Arlington: TREATING CHILD RAPE LIKE A GODDAMN JOKE is not really cool, k?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2013 04:37PM by Gordon Blvd.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: April 11, 2013 06:15PM
I presume you haven't seen the letter in his support in today's FCNP?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: April 11, 2013 07:09PM
He should have been in another institution months ago.
He and wife are friends with Theo Stamos, Arlington Comm.Atty. and the Gardners particiapated in fundraisers for her when she ran for office. Stamos recused herself from prosecuting the case because of this relationship.
If I recall correctly, once a defendant is convicted in county court, he is then officially a ward of the state, and the county bills the state for the incarceration. It is then up to the sherriff or the commonwealth attorney to make the call to the VA DOC to come pick the prisoner up for transfer.
If you were a car thief with no money you would already be downstate.
I think this needs to be explained.
He and wife are friends with Theo Stamos, Arlington Comm.Atty. and the Gardners particiapated in fundraisers for her when she ran for office. Stamos recused herself from prosecuting the case because of this relationship.
If I recall correctly, once a defendant is convicted in county court, he is then officially a ward of the state, and the county bills the state for the incarceration. It is then up to the sherriff or the commonwealth attorney to make the call to the VA DOC to come pick the prisoner up for transfer.
If you were a car thief with no money you would already be downstate.
I think this needs to be explained.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: April 11, 2013 07:29PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
He is guilty Mr. McCan
()
Date: April 11, 2013 07:41PM
No one every really knows someone. People keep dirty little secrets all the time.
Bill Clinton
Sarah Palin
Anthoney Weiner
Bernie Madoff and his whole entire family
I could go on and on.
True facts were brought up in court.
Sorry but you need accept your friend is a monster.
Bill Clinton
Sarah Palin
Anthoney Weiner
Bernie Madoff and his whole entire family
I could go on and on.
True facts were brought up in court.
Sorry but you need accept your friend is a monster.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: April 11, 2013 07:52PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Yawn IVXXI
()
Date: April 11, 2013 08:23PM
Your friend Michael Gardner is a child molester and he deserves to die in prison you Godless, unholy fuckstick.
Oh my, what an incredibly brave person you are, to write that from your keyboard...what courage you must have.
You're more tiresome than a damn child molester...that's saying a lot.
Oh my, what an incredibly brave person you are, to write that from your keyboard...what courage you must have.
You're more tiresome than a damn child molester...that's saying a lot.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 11, 2013 08:37PM
Yawn IVXXI Wrote:
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> Your friend Michael Gardner is a child molester
> and he deserves to die in prison you Godless,
> unholy fuckstick.
>
>
> Oh my, what an incredibly brave person you are, to
> write that from your keyboard...what courage you
> must have.
>
>
> You're more tiresome than a damn child
> molester...that's saying a lot.
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> Your friend Michael Gardner is a child molester
> and he deserves to die in prison you Godless,
> unholy fuckstick.
>
>
> Oh my, what an incredibly brave person you are, to
> write that from your keyboard...what courage you
> must have.
>
>
> You're more tiresome than a damn child
> molester...that's saying a lot.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: April 11, 2013 08:37PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmm he firmly says he's innocent
()
Date: April 11, 2013 09:03PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Letter in the FCNP-
There are others of us out here with similar questions:
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/608915/1095820.html#msg-1095820
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> Letter in the FCNP-
There are others of us out here with similar questions:
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/608915/1095820.html#msg-1095820
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 11, 2013 09:21PM
hmm he firmly says he's innocent Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Letter in the FCNP-
>
> There are others of us out here with similar
> questions:
>
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/608
> 915/1095820.html#msg-1095820
others of "you" maybe.................but us normal ppl already got the news
http://www.promega.com/~/media/files/resources/conference%20proceedings/ishi%2023/poster%20abstracts/96%20poster.pdf?la=en
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Letter in the FCNP-
>
> There are others of us out here with similar
> questions:
>
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/608
> 915/1095820.html#msg-1095820
others of "you" maybe.................but us normal ppl already got the news
http://www.promega.com/~/media/files/resources/conference%20proceedings/ishi%2023/poster%20abstracts/96%20poster.pdf?la=en
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
whateverdude.
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Date: April 17, 2013 11:18AM
whatever the truth is... apparently someone was seriously pissed off with this guy to make the accusation stick.. whether or not it actually happened.
never become a 'top official' anywhere and carry your 'weight' of 'fill in the blankypoos' ... stay anonymous, out of everyones radar and hide in the closets.
i'm glad i'm not him.
i don't know him but i knew a few 'figureheads' in my time who didn't do much of anything except upset someone concerned and then it was "open season".
gives me the creeps.
and why do we keep voting these people into positions of power anyways?
never become a 'top official' anywhere and carry your 'weight' of 'fill in the blankypoos' ... stay anonymous, out of everyones radar and hide in the closets.
i'm glad i'm not him.
i don't know him but i knew a few 'figureheads' in my time who didn't do much of anything except upset someone concerned and then it was "open season".
gives me the creeps.
and why do we keep voting these people into positions of power anyways?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: April 17, 2013 04:36PM
Nobody framed your faggot friend, get real.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Undead Thread
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Date: April 17, 2013 08:23PM
Wingnut has a real fascination with the word "faggot."
Fight it, fight it, till one day you explode in a pedofag rage!
BTW, the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, as you claim to be.
Lolz
Fight it, fight it, till one day you explode in a pedofag rage!
BTW, the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, as you claim to be.
Lolz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: April 17, 2013 08:27PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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also, didja notice he says you claimed you were hetero? Since when the fuck does someone NORMAL care about who you are fucking, yo? o_0
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 17, 2013 08:41PM
@wing - I notice yr friend is so wound up about "sex" so badly his mind cant even comprehend that others use the word faggot without ever even equating it to anything sexual.
@undead - ...................................just wow.
@undead - ...................................just wow.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Rosana Dana
()
Date: April 18, 2013 04:02PM
About time for Miss Gordon to elbow her way into the thread...again...
Let's see...the guy has been found guilty, he's in prison...what else would you like in the way of justice, sweetie?
Let's see...the guy has been found guilty, he's in prison...what else would you like in the way of justice, sweetie?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Scourge of the Underworld
()
Date: April 18, 2013 04:13PM
Justice is Served.
cant really "elbow" yr way into a PUBLIC discussion, jackass.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 18, 2013 04:20PM
Rosana Dana Wrote:
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> About time for Miss Gordon to elbow her way into
> the thread...again...
>
> Let's see...the guy has been found guilty, he's in
> prison...what else would you like in the way of
> justice, sweetie?
well, I'd like for what you say to be true. But since you are too stupid to notice, I'll spell it out for you. HE. IS. NOT. IN. PRISON.
Arlington County Jail is NOT a prision, and the fact that you feel keeping a convicted pedophile as close to his victims as he can legally possibly be (which is currently what the Commonwealth of Virginia and the County of Arlington are doing here) is REALLY FUCKING SCUMMY of you.
@scourge - no yet - still apparently more to do since County of Arlington apparently treats rapists same way they do shoplifters :(
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> About time for Miss Gordon to elbow her way into
> the thread...again...
>
> Let's see...the guy has been found guilty, he's in
> prison...what else would you like in the way of
> justice, sweetie?
well, I'd like for what you say to be true. But since you are too stupid to notice, I'll spell it out for you. HE. IS. NOT. IN. PRISON.
Arlington County Jail is NOT a prision, and the fact that you feel keeping a convicted pedophile as close to his victims as he can legally possibly be (which is currently what the Commonwealth of Virginia and the County of Arlington are doing here) is REALLY FUCKING SCUMMY of you.
@scourge - no yet - still apparently more to do since County of Arlington apparently treats rapists same way they do shoplifters :(
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lol again
()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:52PM
So sad, no Sharia Law for GordonBlvd...
So why don't you and/or Wingnut do some "minor" crime like shoplifting that will get you into the all-so-pleasant Arlington jail, and take care of him, street style?
Put your money where your big mouth is...
"Arlington treating rapists like shoplifters." Um, sure they do...
And yes, all us scummy pedofags are trying to keep Gardner as "close to his victims as he can legally possibly be (sic)." Yeah, it's a pedofag plot!
Might want to put another layer of tinfoil on your head.
So why don't you and/or Wingnut do some "minor" crime like shoplifting that will get you into the all-so-pleasant Arlington jail, and take care of him, street style?
Put your money where your big mouth is...
"Arlington treating rapists like shoplifters." Um, sure they do...
And yes, all us scummy pedofags are trying to keep Gardner as "close to his victims as he can legally possibly be (sic)." Yeah, it's a pedofag plot!
Might want to put another layer of tinfoil on your head.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 18, 2013 06:45PM
Lol again Wrote:
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> So sad, no Sharia Law for GordonBlvd...
so how exactly is wanting a convicted rapist in prison equal to "sharia law" to you? Can you honestly answer that question like like a grown adult and give examples of how you believe wishing a convicted rapist in prision equates to "sharia law" in your mind? Cause I've asked a cpl ppl what yr talking about and everyone I've shown this to is telling me pretty much that you are a cpl pints shy of a gallon............
>
> So why don't you and/or Wingnut do some "minor"
> crime like shoplifting that will get you into the
> all-so-pleasant Arlington jail, and take care of
> him, street style?
why are you bringing up violence? All I am wondering at this point in time is why a convicted child sexual predator is being kept in the jail closet to his victims and not in the State Prison system. How is that violent to expect felons to go to prison system? Are you capable of explaining what you mean by "street style"?
> Put your money where your big mouth is...
>
> "Arlington treating rapists like shoplifters."
> Um, sure they do...
well, seeing as shoplifting is a MISDEMEANOR crime, and what garnder did was a FELONY. I know it's hard for you to understand this so let me help you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGGbDMDZWqE
> And yes, all us scummy pedofags are trying to keep
> Gardner as "close to his victims as he can legally
> possibly be (sic)." Yeah, it's a pedofag plot!
yr the only one mentioning any sorta "plot" I just want to know why the jurisdiction in charge of this felon inmate is keeping him in a place closet to his victims, is all. Gotta be a simple answer, right?
> Might want to put another layer of tinfoil on your
> head.
if hating convicted pedophiles makes me crazy in yr eyes........................then sign me up. Would rather be crazy than stand with someone like you anyday of the week.
So, y'all think he's capable of answering any of those questions I posed or do ya think he's just gonna go "Oh Gordo yr ugly, stupid, and yr mom dresses you funny" like all the others do? Placing bets LoLz
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> So sad, no Sharia Law for GordonBlvd...
so how exactly is wanting a convicted rapist in prison equal to "sharia law" to you? Can you honestly answer that question like like a grown adult and give examples of how you believe wishing a convicted rapist in prision equates to "sharia law" in your mind? Cause I've asked a cpl ppl what yr talking about and everyone I've shown this to is telling me pretty much that you are a cpl pints shy of a gallon............
>
> So why don't you and/or Wingnut do some "minor"
> crime like shoplifting that will get you into the
> all-so-pleasant Arlington jail, and take care of
> him, street style?
why are you bringing up violence? All I am wondering at this point in time is why a convicted child sexual predator is being kept in the jail closet to his victims and not in the State Prison system. How is that violent to expect felons to go to prison system? Are you capable of explaining what you mean by "street style"?
> Put your money where your big mouth is...
>
> "Arlington treating rapists like shoplifters."
> Um, sure they do...
well, seeing as shoplifting is a MISDEMEANOR crime, and what garnder did was a FELONY. I know it's hard for you to understand this so let me help you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGGbDMDZWqE
> And yes, all us scummy pedofags are trying to keep
> Gardner as "close to his victims as he can legally
> possibly be (sic)." Yeah, it's a pedofag plot!
yr the only one mentioning any sorta "plot" I just want to know why the jurisdiction in charge of this felon inmate is keeping him in a place closet to his victims, is all. Gotta be a simple answer, right?
> Might want to put another layer of tinfoil on your
> head.
if hating convicted pedophiles makes me crazy in yr eyes........................then sign me up. Would rather be crazy than stand with someone like you anyday of the week.
So, y'all think he's capable of answering any of those questions I posed or do ya think he's just gonna go "Oh Gordo yr ugly, stupid, and yr mom dresses you funny" like all the others do? Placing bets LoLz
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Tinfoil's not a bad idea for Gor
()
Date: April 18, 2013 07:03PM
Anyone who neurotically types "LolZ" thousands of times is not a person with whom it is worth discussing the fine points of law...
And you even take the time to find and paste up a stupid photo.
Idiot.
And you even take the time to find and paste up a stupid photo.
Idiot.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:51PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 19, 2013 07:31AM
Tinfoil's not a bad idea for Gor Wrote:
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> Anyone who neurotically types "LolZ" thousands of
> times is not a person with whom it is worth
> discussing the fine points of law...
>
> And you even take the time to find and paste up a
> stupid photo.
>
>
> Idiot.
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> times is not a person with whom it is worth
> discussing the fine points of law...
>
> And you even take the time to find and paste up a
> stupid photo.
>
>
> Idiot.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
MLK republican
()
Date: April 19, 2013 08:04AM
This thread has received far too much attention. Gardner has a very rough road ahead of him. Think about pleasant things not this disgusting sicko.
I know it's hard to shake but we all have more important things to think about.
I know it's hard to shake but we all have more important things to think about.
you know, this isnt rocket science. There is a common sense reason why you separate long-stay felons AWAY from the community they terorrized
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 19, 2013 08:15AM
MLK republican Wrote:
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> This thread has received far too much attention.
> Gardner has a very rough road ahead of him. Think
> about pleasant things not this disgusting sicko.
>
> I know it's hard to shake but we all have more
> important things to think about.
Dude, if you want to ignore it, go right ahead. Dunno why you bothered to type a thing if you just want to stick yr head in the sand. The rest of us will multi-task, k?
now..........does anybody have any REAL knowledge on why a CONVICTED RAPIST OF CHILDREN is not in the State Prison system.
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> This thread has received far too much attention.
> Gardner has a very rough road ahead of him. Think
> about pleasant things not this disgusting sicko.
>
> I know it's hard to shake but we all have more
> important things to think about.
Dude, if you want to ignore it, go right ahead. Dunno why you bothered to type a thing if you just want to stick yr head in the sand. The rest of us will multi-task, k?
now..........does anybody have any REAL knowledge on why a CONVICTED RAPIST OF CHILDREN is not in the State Prison system.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Pedofags Everywhere!
()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:02AM
Oh noes, Gordon, you're surrounded by pedofags!
And those who aren't pedofags are sticking their heads in the sand!
How do you find the strength to face each day?
And those who aren't pedofags are sticking their heads in the sand!
How do you find the strength to face each day?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:50AM
Pedofags Everywhere! Wrote:
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> Oh noes, Gordon, you're surrounded by pedofags!
> And those who aren't pedofags are sticking their
> heads in the sand!
>
> How do you find the strength to face each day?
well I'm not as weak as you so it's really not a problem LoLz
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> Oh noes, Gordon, you're surrounded by pedofags!
> And those who aren't pedofags are sticking their
> heads in the sand!
>
> How do you find the strength to face each day?
well I'm not as weak as you so it's really not a problem LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Someone
()
Date: May 01, 2013 10:13PM
From http://fcnp.com/2013/05/01/f-c-officer-awarded-for-role-in-gardner-case/
... City of Falls Church Police Lt. Sonya Richardson was given an award for her her work in gathering evidence in the case against City resident Michael Gardner that resulted in his conviction and 22-year prison sentence for molesting two girls...
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From http://www.loudountimes.com/index.php/news/article/in_the_arena543
(Posted Apr 30, 2013)
In June 2011 the Falls Church Police Department founds itself in the middle of an uncomfortable situation. Michael Gardner, the husband of former Falls Church mayor Robin Gardner, was accused of molesting two girls at his daughter's slumber party.
"It was a triable case, but it was a tough case," said Loudoun County Commonwealth Attorney Jim Plowman.
In recognition for her efforts in working to bring Michael Gardner to justice, Falls Church Lt. Sonya Richardson was given an award.
Richardson, Plowman said, went the extra mile "after turning over every rock." The lieutenant, he said, sat down with one of the girls, laid out her clothing and asked her to tell her exactly where she was touched.
Richardson was able to extract touch DNA from the clothing.
"Despite many people telling her to 'don't waste your time, you're never going to get, she got it," Plowman said.
Michael Gardner is now serving 22 years in prison.
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Related:
Loudoun Prosecutors Recognized by Falls Church Police Department for Efforts in Special Prosecution (Oct 4, 2012)
http://www.loudoun.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=440
Loudoun Prosecutors Honored For Work In Falls Church Sexual Assault Case (Oct 10, 2012)
http://www.leesburgtoday.com/public_safety/loudoun-prosecutors-honored-for-work-in-falls-church-sexual-assault/article_bc46835a-127e-11e2-860c-0019bb2963f4.html
... City of Falls Church Police Lt. Sonya Richardson was given an award for her her work in gathering evidence in the case against City resident Michael Gardner that resulted in his conviction and 22-year prison sentence for molesting two girls...
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From http://www.loudountimes.com/index.php/news/article/in_the_arena543
(Posted Apr 30, 2013)
In June 2011 the Falls Church Police Department founds itself in the middle of an uncomfortable situation. Michael Gardner, the husband of former Falls Church mayor Robin Gardner, was accused of molesting two girls at his daughter's slumber party.
"It was a triable case, but it was a tough case," said Loudoun County Commonwealth Attorney Jim Plowman.
In recognition for her efforts in working to bring Michael Gardner to justice, Falls Church Lt. Sonya Richardson was given an award.
Richardson, Plowman said, went the extra mile "after turning over every rock." The lieutenant, he said, sat down with one of the girls, laid out her clothing and asked her to tell her exactly where she was touched.
Richardson was able to extract touch DNA from the clothing.
"Despite many people telling her to 'don't waste your time, you're never going to get, she got it," Plowman said.
Michael Gardner is now serving 22 years in prison.
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Related:
Loudoun Prosecutors Recognized by Falls Church Police Department for Efforts in Special Prosecution (Oct 4, 2012)
http://www.loudoun.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=440
Loudoun Prosecutors Honored For Work In Falls Church Sexual Assault Case (Oct 10, 2012)
http://www.leesburgtoday.com/public_safety/loudoun-prosecutors-honored-for-work-in-falls-church-sexual-assault/article_bc46835a-127e-11e2-860c-0019bb2963f4.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 01, 2013 10:34PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Missing a *
()
Date: May 01, 2013 10:55PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Is the fruitcake still alive/in Arlington jail?
Yes. And it is highly reviewed on Yelp.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/arlington-county-detention-arlington#query:Jail
4 out of 5 stars ain't bad, but I am sure the citizens of Arlington and Falls Church want to shoot for 5 out 5 stars for their lock up.
http://www.arlnow.com/2013/04/30/video-colbert-reads-yelp-review-of-arlington-jail/
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> Is the fruitcake still alive/in Arlington jail?
Yes. And it is highly reviewed on Yelp.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/arlington-county-detention-arlington#query:Jail
4 out of 5 stars ain't bad, but I am sure the citizens of Arlington and Falls Church want to shoot for 5 out 5 stars for their lock up.
http://www.arlnow.com/2013/04/30/video-colbert-reads-yelp-review-of-arlington-jail/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Etoh
()
Date: May 01, 2013 11:26PM
What an incredible fascination Wingnut seems to have for Gardner...almost as if they were brothers...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 01, 2013 11:42PM
Etoh Wrote:
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> What an incredible fascination Wingnut seems to
> have for Gardner...almost as if they were
> brothers...
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> What an incredible fascination Wingnut seems to
> have for Gardner...almost as if they were
> brothers...
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 01, 2013 11:58PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Somali Mann
()
Date: May 02, 2013 04:04AM
He isn't going to any of those places Wingnut. Because if you goto the VDOC website, it say's for a person to get admitted to Wallen Ridge or Red Onion, they must've done few yrs in another instution and not have gotten any write ups or something to that effect. So he's probably going to a lower/medium state prison and maybe get transferred to those facilities in the near future.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2013 07:50AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Blah Blah Blah
()
Date: May 02, 2013 10:43AM
Does this character Gordon knows anything or just brain washed moron ?
The pipe is a weeds pipe. The saying is "put down the crack pipe" not weed pipe. Gosh, he must be a brain washed moron who believes "Reefer Madness" is a documentary.
That and he has anger management issue.
The pipe is a weeds pipe. The saying is "put down the crack pipe" not weed pipe. Gosh, he must be a brain washed moron who believes "Reefer Madness" is a documentary.
That and he has anger management issue.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 02, 2013 11:09AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 02, 2013 12:19PM
Blah Blah Blah Wrote:
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> Does this character Gordon knows anything or just
> brain washed moron ?
>
> The pipe is a weeds pipe. The saying is "put down
> the crack pipe" not weed pipe. Gosh, he must be a
> brain washed moron who believes "Reefer Madness"
> is a documentary.
>
> That and he has anger management issue.
protip: when you find yourself online, SERIOUSLY critiquing a Gordon Blvd post.........then it is DEFINATELY time for you to ..............
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> Does this character Gordon knows anything or just
> brain washed moron ?
>
> The pipe is a weeds pipe. The saying is "put down
> the crack pipe" not weed pipe. Gosh, he must be a
> brain washed moron who believes "Reefer Madness"
> is a documentary.
>
> That and he has anger management issue.
protip: when you find yourself online, SERIOUSLY critiquing a Gordon Blvd post.........then it is DEFINATELY time for you to ..............
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 06, 2013 06:30PM
Somali Mann Wrote:
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> He isn't going to any of those places Wingnut.
> Because if you goto the VDOC website, it say's for
> a person to get admitted to Wallen Ridge or Red
> Onion, they must've done few yrs in another
> instution and not have gotten any write ups or
> something to that effect. So he's probably going
> to a lower/medium state prison and maybe get
> transferred to those facilities in the near
> future.
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/redonion/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/wallens-ridge/
I didn't think you were right about this...
" No disruptive behavior for at least past 24 months prior to consideration for a transfer to any less-secure facility" is what the Wallens Ridge listing says on the VADOC website. This doesn't mean you have to behave yourself to get IN, it means you have to behave yourself to get OUT (transferred).
Red Onion sounds like a totally different kind of joint, they have some special "S" classification for inmates. I am guessing this stands for segregation. I think Angelos, the old head of prisons had these two built as a showcase and a major deterrent. They are constructed as high security prisons, and it wouldn't make sense to house any lower risk inmates there.
Mikey the PedoFag may be a model prisoner and a wussy who won't start any shit with inmates or staff, but the length of his sentence makes him an escape risk and certainly eligible for a higher security institution at least for his initial assignment.
I would bet he winds up in one of these places, level 4 for starters.
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/keen-mt/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/central/nottoway/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/eastern/sussex2/
If he is "lucky" he may go to some of these Level 3 joints where the blades may be an inch shorter and there are 3 to 5% less sexual assaults per year.
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/central/powhatan/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/eastern/lawrenceville/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/augusta/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/central/buckingham/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/eastern/greensville/
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> He isn't going to any of those places Wingnut.
> Because if you goto the VDOC website, it say's for
> a person to get admitted to Wallen Ridge or Red
> Onion, they must've done few yrs in another
> instution and not have gotten any write ups or
> something to that effect. So he's probably going
> to a lower/medium state prison and maybe get
> transferred to those facilities in the near
> future.
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/redonion/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/wallens-ridge/
I didn't think you were right about this...
" No disruptive behavior for at least past 24 months prior to consideration for a transfer to any less-secure facility" is what the Wallens Ridge listing says on the VADOC website. This doesn't mean you have to behave yourself to get IN, it means you have to behave yourself to get OUT (transferred).
Red Onion sounds like a totally different kind of joint, they have some special "S" classification for inmates. I am guessing this stands for segregation. I think Angelos, the old head of prisons had these two built as a showcase and a major deterrent. They are constructed as high security prisons, and it wouldn't make sense to house any lower risk inmates there.
Mikey the PedoFag may be a model prisoner and a wussy who won't start any shit with inmates or staff, but the length of his sentence makes him an escape risk and certainly eligible for a higher security institution at least for his initial assignment.
I would bet he winds up in one of these places, level 4 for starters.
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/keen-mt/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/central/nottoway/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/eastern/sussex2/
If he is "lucky" he may go to some of these Level 3 joints where the blades may be an inch shorter and there are 3 to 5% less sexual assaults per year.
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/central/powhatan/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/eastern/lawrenceville/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/western/augusta/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/central/buckingham/
http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/facilities/eastern/greensville/
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
KnowThe Deal
()
Date: May 07, 2013 12:33AM
OK. Here's the deal kiddies. Inmate Gardner is scheduled for transfer to Coffeewood Correction Center. Just outside Culpepper. It is an intake and "classification facility" That will take 6 months to a year before he heads to Powhatan or Buckingham. Then he will be assigned for the next 18 years.. It will not be Red Onion or Greensville. Sorry.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
KnowThe Deal
()
Date: May 07, 2013 12:36AM
This transfer is scheduled. Within the next 10 days.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 07, 2013 07:53AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Partner in crime?
()
Date: May 07, 2013 09:17AM
You can relax, Wingnut, Gardner never dropped a dime on you.
LoLz
LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 07, 2013 10:03AM
@Partner - lol whut?
@wingnut - LoLz
@know - THANK YOU for taking the time to share that info :) I aint trying to get that thing killed at Red Onion I just want it in the State prison system so it can be classified and stored away properly, y'know?
@wingnut - LoLz
@know - THANK YOU for taking the time to share that info :) I aint trying to get that thing killed at Red Onion I just want it in the State prison system so it can be classified and stored away properly, y'know?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Blah Blah Blah
()
Date: May 07, 2013 12:23PM
Do they have Yelp review for those facilities like Arlington ?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
dontpreach
()
Date: May 13, 2013 11:15AM
and to think, mostly everyone in this forum preaching is a whacko.
of course they'd understand.
(scary.)
of course they'd understand.
(scary.)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
sendhimdownstateasap
()
Date: May 13, 2013 11:29AM
dontpreach Wrote:
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> and to think, mostly everyone in this forum
> preaching is a whacko.
You are calling people who chastise pedos whackos? You're one seriously misguided and warped freak.
> of course they'd understand.
>
>
> (scary.)
I, for one, will never understand pedos. I'll leave that to freaks like you.
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> and to think, mostly everyone in this forum
> preaching is a whacko.
You are calling people who chastise pedos whackos? You're one seriously misguided and warped freak.
> of course they'd understand.
>
>
> (scary.)
I, for one, will never understand pedos. I'll leave that to freaks like you.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Enough already
()
Date: May 13, 2013 11:43AM
You are calling people who chastise pedos whackos? You're one seriously misguided and warped freak.
I believe he's saying that this Gardner guy has been convicted, he's in jail, soon to be in prison, and sweaty red-faced mouth-breathers like you that keep harping on the topic seem to have some odd fascination with Gardner that goes far beyond just wanting to see him in jail...
Talk about freaks.
Just sayin'....
I believe he's saying that this Gardner guy has been convicted, he's in jail, soon to be in prison, and sweaty red-faced mouth-breathers like you that keep harping on the topic seem to have some odd fascination with Gardner that goes far beyond just wanting to see him in jail...
Talk about freaks.
Just sayin'....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
87w2ser0a1dash
()
Date: May 14, 2013 11:00AM
comment boards are amusing, a waste of bandwidth.. but, amusing.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
MYnameIS
()
Date: May 14, 2013 11:01AM
you're absolutely right, freak.
(i hope the 'messes' you are contributing to in this world are kept clean with 'color' safe bleach.)
*cough*
stop proving THE point, at "hand".
whacko.
(i hope the 'messes' you are contributing to in this world are kept clean with 'color' safe bleach.)
*cough*
stop proving THE point, at "hand".
whacko.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
sendhimdownstate
()
Date: May 14, 2013 11:04AM
Enough already Wrote:
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> You are calling people who chastise pedos whackos?
> You're one seriously misguided and warped freak.
>
>
>
> I believe he's saying that this Gardner guy has
> been convicted, he's in jail, soon to be in
> prison,
And he isn't appealing the conviction, right? Oh wait, he is. So, it is far from over, dipshit.
> and sweaty red-faced mouth-breathers like
> you that keep harping on the topic seem to have
> some odd fascination with Gardner that goes far
> beyond just wanting to see him in jail...
Really like what? I am sorry you are not offended by pedos, but then again, you probably are one.
> Talk about freaks.
Yes, you are.
> Just sayin'....
Oh, we know what you're sayin, pedo.
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> You are calling people who chastise pedos whackos?
> You're one seriously misguided and warped freak.
>
>
>
> I believe he's saying that this Gardner guy has
> been convicted, he's in jail, soon to be in
> prison,
And he isn't appealing the conviction, right? Oh wait, he is. So, it is far from over, dipshit.
> and sweaty red-faced mouth-breathers like
> you that keep harping on the topic seem to have
> some odd fascination with Gardner that goes far
> beyond just wanting to see him in jail...
Really like what? I am sorry you are not offended by pedos, but then again, you probably are one.
> Talk about freaks.
Yes, you are.
> Just sayin'....
Oh, we know what you're sayin, pedo.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Please fill in the author field
()
Date: May 14, 2013 11:06AM
whackos like yourself make it all too easy.
(now watch the thread:..................*-)
..............................>>>>
(space filled upon freshness 'date' rape.)
sendhimdownstate Wrote:
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> Enough already Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are calling people who chastise pedos
> whackos?
> > You're one seriously misguided and warped
> freak.
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe he's saying that this Gardner guy has
> > been convicted, he's in jail, soon to be in
> > prison,
>
> And he isn't appealing the conviction, right? Oh
> wait, he is. So, it is far from over, dipshit.
>
> > and sweaty red-faced mouth-breathers like
> > you that keep harping on the topic seem to have
> > some odd fascination with Gardner that goes far
> > beyond just wanting to see him in jail...
>
> Really like what? I am sorry you are not offended
> by pedos, but then again, you probably are one.
>
>
> > Talk about freaks.
>
> Yes, you are.
>
> > Just sayin'....
>
> Oh, we know what you're sayin, pedo.
(now watch the thread:..................*-)
..............................>>>>
(space filled upon freshness 'date' rape.)
sendhimdownstate Wrote:
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> Enough already Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are calling people who chastise pedos
> whackos?
> > You're one seriously misguided and warped
> freak.
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe he's saying that this Gardner guy has
> > been convicted, he's in jail, soon to be in
> > prison,
>
> And he isn't appealing the conviction, right? Oh
> wait, he is. So, it is far from over, dipshit.
>
> > and sweaty red-faced mouth-breathers like
> > you that keep harping on the topic seem to have
> > some odd fascination with Gardner that goes far
> > beyond just wanting to see him in jail...
>
> Really like what? I am sorry you are not offended
> by pedos, but then again, you probably are one.
>
>
> > Talk about freaks.
>
> Yes, you are.
>
> > Just sayin'....
>
> Oh, we know what you're sayin, pedo.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
lookoutforfiveoh
()
Date: May 14, 2013 11:10AM
Please fill in the author field Wrote:
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> whackos like yourself make it all too easy.
>
>
> (now watch the thread:..................*-)
You still yappin', pedo?
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> whackos like yourself make it all too easy.
>
>
> (now watch the thread:..................*-)
You still yappin', pedo?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
sickofkids
()
Date: May 18, 2013 04:39AM
So. Some kid learned what the "enter" key does. Grow up. Dude still going away. HaHa.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
fcman
()
Date: June 05, 2013 11:03PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 26, 2013 08:32PM
Looks like the fucking fruit is getting some kind of pref treatment, still in Arlington County Jail.
http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Groundhog Day
()
Date: June 26, 2013 09:24PM
Thanks you for keeping us posted and for continuing to keep this thread on life support.
Now please go away.
Now please go away.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 26, 2013 09:59PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Wing Logic
()
Date: June 26, 2013 10:25PM
OK, so if someone thinks you're an asshole, they're pedophile pals with this guy?
In that case everyone here is a pedophile!
LoLz
In that case everyone here is a pedophile!
LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 26, 2013 10:43PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
movehimdownstate
()
Date: July 09, 2013 04:43PM
Rumor has it that his appeal to the 3 judge panel was denied a few weeks ago, but remains unreported. I heard it was June 21. He is still in Arlington lockup. What gives? Seems like he is getting preferential treatment.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Link
()
Date: July 09, 2013 07:36PM
movehimdownstate Wrote:
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> Rumor has it that his appeal to the 3 judge panel
> was denied a few weeks ago, but remains
> unreported. I heard it was June 21. He is still
> in Arlington lockup. What gives? Seems like he
> is getting preferential treatment.
Can you give us a link to the denial?
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> Rumor has it that his appeal to the 3 judge panel
> was denied a few weeks ago, but remains
> unreported. I heard it was June 21. He is still
> in Arlington lockup. What gives? Seems like he
> is getting preferential treatment.
Can you give us a link to the denial?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: July 09, 2013 07:50PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Link
()
Date: July 09, 2013 07:59PM
That was posted by fcman on June 5th above. I was looking for a link on the ruling of the appeal. I don't think the appeals court is hiding anything, but he has been at the county lock up for quite a while.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: July 09, 2013 08:04PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
movehimdownstate
()
Date: July 09, 2013 08:13PM
Link Wrote:
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> movehimdownstate Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rumor has it that his appeal to the 3 judge
> panel
> > was denied a few weeks ago, but remains
> > unreported. I heard it was June 21. He is
> still
> > in Arlington lockup. What gives? Seems like
> he
> > is getting preferential treatment.
>
> Can you give us a link to the denial?
Sorry, no link. Like I said, it is a rumor I heard. Apparently you can search for it on the Court of Appeals website, but I am too lazy. FWIW it was from a reliable source.
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> movehimdownstate Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rumor has it that his appeal to the 3 judge
> panel
> > was denied a few weeks ago, but remains
> > unreported. I heard it was June 21. He is
> still
> > in Arlington lockup. What gives? Seems like
> he
> > is getting preferential treatment.
>
> Can you give us a link to the denial?
Sorry, no link. Like I said, it is a rumor I heard. Apparently you can search for it on the Court of Appeals website, but I am too lazy. FWIW it was from a reliable source.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Found it. Appeal DENIED
()
Date: July 10, 2013 11:58AM
http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cav-public/
You can go to this website and type in his name to search for it. His name is listed as Michael Armin Gardner. His appeal was, in fact, denied on June 21st. Looks like movehimdownstate's source was correct.
If you prefer to search by case #, his is 1831-12-4
So, the question remains, why is he still in the Arlington jail? Anyone else feel like this scumbag is getting preferential treatment?
You can go to this website and type in his name to search for it. His name is listed as Michael Armin Gardner. His appeal was, in fact, denied on June 21st. Looks like movehimdownstate's source was correct.
If you prefer to search by case #, his is 1831-12-4
So, the question remains, why is he still in the Arlington jail? Anyone else feel like this scumbag is getting preferential treatment?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
been a while
()
Date: July 10, 2013 12:00PM
KnowThe Deal Wrote:
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> This transfer is scheduled. Within the next 10
> days.
I ain't no mathematician, but it seems like it has been more than 10 days.
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> This transfer is scheduled. Within the next 10
> days.
I ain't no mathematician, but it seems like it has been more than 10 days.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: July 10, 2013 12:11PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
livin' large
()
Date: July 10, 2013 12:14PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> I couldn't find the record of the appeal denial,
> though I'm sure it got negged like most appeals
> do.
>
> I am sure he is getting hooked up by Arlington
> County.
>
> Falls Church City has some kind of dependent
> relationship for jail and courts, I think they
> subcontract it out to them. Sounds weird for the
> court part at least.
>
> Gardner was a well established liberal activist,
> wife was FC mayor and she did fundraisers with
> Theo Stamos, Commonwealth Attorney for Arlington
> now. Stamos recused herself from the case because
> of that relationship and prosecutors came in from
> Loudoun. Jurors were Arlingtonians or Falls Church
> residents I believe though.
>
> There was no good reason to keep him up here as
> his appeal does not require his physical presence.
>
>
> It's been over a month since he was rumored to be
> moved downstate.
Virginia Inmate Locator has him staying at the ADC.
http://www.vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/locator/
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> I couldn't find the record of the appeal denial,
> though I'm sure it got negged like most appeals
> do.
>
> I am sure he is getting hooked up by Arlington
> County.
>
> Falls Church City has some kind of dependent
> relationship for jail and courts, I think they
> subcontract it out to them. Sounds weird for the
> court part at least.
>
> Gardner was a well established liberal activist,
> wife was FC mayor and she did fundraisers with
> Theo Stamos, Commonwealth Attorney for Arlington
> now. Stamos recused herself from the case because
> of that relationship and prosecutors came in from
> Loudoun. Jurors were Arlingtonians or Falls Church
> residents I believe though.
>
> There was no good reason to keep him up here as
> his appeal does not require his physical presence.
>
>
> It's been over a month since he was rumored to be
> moved downstate.
Virginia Inmate Locator has him staying at the ADC.
http://www.vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/locator/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: July 10, 2013 12:21PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Old Reliable
()
Date: July 10, 2013 12:32PM
You really miss him, don't you, Wingnut?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
indeed
()
Date: July 10, 2013 12:53PM
Old Reliable Wrote:
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> You really miss him, don't you, Wingnut?
Probably not as much as Nick Benton misses Mike.
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> You really miss him, don't you, Wingnut?
Probably not as much as Nick Benton misses Mike.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
special treatment
()
Date: July 22, 2013 03:24PM
That fucker is still at the ADC. What gives?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: July 23, 2013 10:01AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
He's gone
()
Date: August 02, 2013 08:13AM
He's finally gone. Dillwyn Correctional Center for now until they find a more permanent placement.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
better late than never
()
Date: August 02, 2013 12:52PM
He's gone Wrote:
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> He's finally gone. Dillwyn Correctional Center for
> now until they find a more permanent placement.
'bout time. You know this asshole was shitting bricks the whole bus ride there. No more concierge service like at the ADC. Next time he gets on a prison bus, he'll be going to the last place he will call home.
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> He's finally gone. Dillwyn Correctional Center for
> now until they find a more permanent placement.
'bout time. You know this asshole was shitting bricks the whole bus ride there. No more concierge service like at the ADC. Next time he gets on a prison bus, he'll be going to the last place he will call home.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
rob loblaw
()
Date: August 02, 2013 11:35PM
Mike will have his stool pushed in by the end of the week.
Robin will cry.
Nick Benton will claim he is innocent.
Bob Young will build another crap building with flowers that is under parked.
Ira will get red faced and yell at the next cc meeting.
The teachers will get raises.
The taxes will sky rocket.
The new high school will get built someday.
The kids will always be high.
Another pizza and yogart shop will open once a week for the next ten years.
Yawn... just another day in TheLittleCity.
Robin will cry.
Nick Benton will claim he is innocent.
Bob Young will build another crap building with flowers that is under parked.
Ira will get red faced and yell at the next cc meeting.
The teachers will get raises.
The taxes will sky rocket.
The new high school will get built someday.
The kids will always be high.
Another pizza and yogart shop will open once a week for the next ten years.
Yawn... just another day in TheLittleCity.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
down state
()
Date: August 05, 2013 12:14PM
What's the name of Mike's new boyfriend?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: August 05, 2013 12:32PM
Hey the wheels of justice finally turned.
Now hurry up and die.
Now hurry up and die.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
rob loblaw
()
Date: August 28, 2013 08:09PM
Mike used to complain about the unjust nature of camera tickets. Now he complains about the unjust prison rape.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
dating game
()
Date: October 10, 2013 02:44PM
How many boyfriends do you think he has had by now?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Status Update
()
Date: January 04, 2014 04:28PM
http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
Photo Date: August 01, 2013
Registration ID : 37129
Name : GARDNER, MICHAEL, ARMIN
Sex : Male
Race : White
Age : 49
Height : 5 Feet 10 Inches
Weight : 215 lbs
Hair Color : Brown
Eye Color : Blue
Palm Print : On File
Finger Print : On File
Violent : Yes
Status : INCARCERATED
Initial Registration : May 02, 2012
Sex Offender Conviction Record
Case Number Sentencing Court Code Section Statute Date of Conviction State Convicted Victim Age
CR1100077100 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.2 OBJECT SEXUAL PENETRATION May 02, 2012 VA Minor
CR1100126200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3 AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
CR1100077200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3 AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
http://www.vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/locator/
OFFENDER ID NUMBER 1459671
NAME Michael Armin Gardner
GENDER Male
RACE White
VADOC RELEASE DATE 06/02/2031
LOCATION Augusta Correctional Center
http://vadoc.virginia.gov/facilities/western/augusta/default.shtm
Augusta Correctional Center (close custody male institution)
Security Level 3 - Assignment Criteria:
Single, multiple, & Life + sentences must have served 20 consecutive years on sentence. If parole eligible, must have reached PED. No disruptive behavior for at least past 24 months prior to consideration for a transfer to any less-secure facility. Numerical sentences must have less than 40 years to release or have served 20 consecutive years.
Specifications:
Opened - 1986
Average Daily Population (June 2008) - 1,097
Special Populations - NA
Special Programs - NA
Site Additions/Upgrades - 1987, M and N buildings added
Virginia Correctional Enterprises -Clothing/Shoe Industry
Photo Date: August 01, 2013
Registration ID : 37129
Name : GARDNER, MICHAEL, ARMIN
Sex : Male
Race : White
Age : 49
Height : 5 Feet 10 Inches
Weight : 215 lbs
Hair Color : Brown
Eye Color : Blue
Palm Print : On File
Finger Print : On File
Violent : Yes
Status : INCARCERATED
Initial Registration : May 02, 2012
Sex Offender Conviction Record
Case Number Sentencing Court Code Section Statute Date of Conviction State Convicted Victim Age
CR1100077100 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.2 OBJECT SEXUAL PENETRATION May 02, 2012 VA Minor
CR1100126200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3 AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
CR1100077200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3 AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
http://www.vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/locator/
OFFENDER ID NUMBER 1459671
NAME Michael Armin Gardner
GENDER Male
RACE White
VADOC RELEASE DATE 06/02/2031
LOCATION Augusta Correctional Center
http://vadoc.virginia.gov/facilities/western/augusta/default.shtm
Augusta Correctional Center (close custody male institution)
Security Level 3 - Assignment Criteria:
Single, multiple, & Life + sentences must have served 20 consecutive years on sentence. If parole eligible, must have reached PED. No disruptive behavior for at least past 24 months prior to consideration for a transfer to any less-secure facility. Numerical sentences must have less than 40 years to release or have served 20 consecutive years.
Specifications:
Opened - 1986
Average Daily Population (June 2008) - 1,097
Special Populations - NA
Special Programs - NA
Site Additions/Upgrades - 1987, M and N buildings added
Virginia Correctional Enterprises -Clothing/Shoe Industry
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Calvin Klein
()
Date: January 04, 2014 06:03PM
"Virginia Correctional Enterprises -Clothing/Shoe Industry"
Wasn't he convicted due in part to having his man spunk and DNA all over little girls panties?
And now he is making and handling clothes in prison?
Ewwwww, really, that is so gross!
Wasn't he convicted due in part to having his man spunk and DNA all over little girls panties?
And now he is making and handling clothes in prison?
Ewwwww, really, that is so gross!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
.....
()
Date: January 05, 2014 03:07PM
Status Update Wrote:
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> http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderD
> etails.html?regId=37129
>
> src="http://vspimages.vsp.virginia.gov/images/0371
> 29-02.jpg" />
> Photo Date: August 01, 2013
>
> Registration ID : 37129
> Name : GARDNER, MICHAEL, ARMIN
> Sex : Male
> Race : White
> Age : 49
> Height : 5 Feet 10 Inches
> Weight : 215 lbs
> Hair Color : Brown
> Eye Color : Blue
> Palm Print : On File
> Finger Print : On File
> Violent : Yes
> Status : INCARCERATED
>
> Initial Registration : May 02, 2012
>
> Sex Offender Conviction Record
> Case Number Sentencing Court Code
> Section Statute Date of Conviction State
> Convicted Victim Age
> CR1100077100 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.2
> OBJECT SEXUAL PENETRATION May 02, 2012 VA Minor
> CR1100126200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3
> AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
> CR1100077200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3
> AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
>
>
> http://www.vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/locator/
>
> OFFENDER ID NUMBER 1459671
> NAME Michael Armin Gardner
> GENDER Male
> RACE White
> VADOC RELEASE DATE 06/02/2031
> LOCATION Augusta Correctional Center
>
>
> http://vadoc.virginia.gov/facilities/western/augus
> ta/default.shtm
>
> Augusta Correctional Center (close custody male
> institution)
>
> Security Level 3 - Assignment Criteria:
> Single, multiple, & Life + sentences must have
> served 20 consecutive years on sentence. If parole
> eligible, must have reached PED. No disruptive
> behavior for at least past 24 months prior to
> consideration for a transfer to any less-secure
> facility. Numerical sentences must have less than
> 40 years to release or have served 20 consecutive
> years.
>
> Specifications:
> Opened - 1986
> Average Daily Population (June 2008) - 1,097
> Special Populations - NA
> Special Programs - NA
> Site Additions/Upgrades - 1987, M and N buildings
> added
> Virginia Correctional Enterprises -Clothing/Shoe
> Industry
Slam and dunk.
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> http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderD
> etails.html?regId=37129
>
> src="http://vspimages.vsp.virginia.gov/images/0371
> 29-02.jpg" />
> Photo Date: August 01, 2013
>
> Registration ID : 37129
> Name : GARDNER, MICHAEL, ARMIN
> Sex : Male
> Race : White
> Age : 49
> Height : 5 Feet 10 Inches
> Weight : 215 lbs
> Hair Color : Brown
> Eye Color : Blue
> Palm Print : On File
> Finger Print : On File
> Violent : Yes
> Status : INCARCERATED
>
> Initial Registration : May 02, 2012
>
> Sex Offender Conviction Record
> Case Number Sentencing Court Code
> Section Statute Date of Conviction State
> Convicted Victim Age
> CR1100077100 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.2
> OBJECT SEXUAL PENETRATION May 02, 2012 VA Minor
> CR1100126200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3
> AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
> CR1100077200 ARLINGTON CIRCUIT 18.2-67.3
> AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY May 02, 2012 VA Minor
>
>
> http://www.vadoc.virginia.gov/offenders/locator/
>
> OFFENDER ID NUMBER 1459671
> NAME Michael Armin Gardner
> GENDER Male
> RACE White
> VADOC RELEASE DATE 06/02/2031
> LOCATION Augusta Correctional Center
>
>
> http://vadoc.virginia.gov/facilities/western/augus
> ta/default.shtm
>
> Augusta Correctional Center (close custody male
> institution)
>
> Security Level 3 - Assignment Criteria:
> Single, multiple, & Life + sentences must have
> served 20 consecutive years on sentence. If parole
> eligible, must have reached PED. No disruptive
> behavior for at least past 24 months prior to
> consideration for a transfer to any less-secure
> facility. Numerical sentences must have less than
> 40 years to release or have served 20 consecutive
> years.
>
> Specifications:
> Opened - 1986
> Average Daily Population (June 2008) - 1,097
> Special Populations - NA
> Special Programs - NA
> Site Additions/Upgrades - 1987, M and N buildings
> added
> Virginia Correctional Enterprises -Clothing/Shoe
> Industry
Slam and dunk.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: January 06, 2014 03:08PM
At least he'll have a trade for when he gets out.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Old Skold
()
Date: January 06, 2014 03:53PM
It's just not the same without Wingnut and GordonBlvd working themselves into a frothing rage about this guy, which, of course, always made one wonder about their own sexual leanings
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: January 07, 2014 08:00PM
Old Skold Wrote:
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> It's just not the same without Wingnut and
> GordonBlvd working themselves into a frothing rage
> about this guy, which, of course, always made one
> wonder about their own sexual leanings
cause yeah, lotsa normal ppl wonder about my sexual leanings o_0
anywho.................
Attachments:
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> It's just not the same without Wingnut and
> GordonBlvd working themselves into a frothing rage
> about this guy, which, of course, always made one
> wonder about their own sexual leanings
cause yeah, lotsa normal ppl wonder about my sexual leanings o_0
anywho.................
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Follow-up
()
Date: April 27, 2014 09:32PM
http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/scv/appeals/131166.html
Case MICHAEL ARMIN GARDNER v. COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA (Record Number 131166)
From The Court of Appeals of Virginia
Counsel
Peter D. Greenspun, Jonathan Shapiro, and Mikhail N. Lopez (Greenspun Shapiro PC) for Appellant.
James E. Plowman, Nicole M. Wittmann, and Alejandra R. Amato (Office of the Commonwealth's Attorney) for Appellee.
Assignment of Error
1. The Court of Appeals erred by finding joinder was appropriate under Rule 3A:10(c) despite the nonexistence of a common plan or scheme.
2. The Court of Appeals erred by upholding admission of Dr. Perlin's testimony, despite his reliance on evidence beyond that admitted at trial, and by not finding the Commonwealth failed to establish chain of custody for those materials.
3. The Court of Appeals erred by holding it was not error to exclude Gardner's character evidence on the trait of being sexually assaultive.
4. The Court of Appeals erred by finding that Angela Garcia's and Daniel Rice's testimony regarding third-party actions was not improper victim testimony.
5. The Court of Appeals erred by holding that the trial court did not intrude on the jury's deliberations, requiring a partial verdict to be returned and declaring a mistrial, thereby depriving Mr. Gardner of his right to have one jury decide his case.
Date Granted
01-22-2014
Case MICHAEL ARMIN GARDNER v. COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA (Record Number 131166)
From The Court of Appeals of Virginia
Counsel
Peter D. Greenspun, Jonathan Shapiro, and Mikhail N. Lopez (Greenspun Shapiro PC) for Appellant.
James E. Plowman, Nicole M. Wittmann, and Alejandra R. Amato (Office of the Commonwealth's Attorney) for Appellee.
Assignment of Error
1. The Court of Appeals erred by finding joinder was appropriate under Rule 3A:10(c) despite the nonexistence of a common plan or scheme.
2. The Court of Appeals erred by upholding admission of Dr. Perlin's testimony, despite his reliance on evidence beyond that admitted at trial, and by not finding the Commonwealth failed to establish chain of custody for those materials.
3. The Court of Appeals erred by holding it was not error to exclude Gardner's character evidence on the trait of being sexually assaultive.
4. The Court of Appeals erred by finding that Angela Garcia's and Daniel Rice's testimony regarding third-party actions was not improper victim testimony.
5. The Court of Appeals erred by holding that the trial court did not intrude on the jury's deliberations, requiring a partial verdict to be returned and declaring a mistrial, thereby depriving Mr. Gardner of his right to have one jury decide his case.
Date Granted
01-22-2014
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Follow-up
()
Date: April 27, 2014 09:57PM
http://fcnp.com/2014/04/16/virginia-supreme-court-set-to-hear-appeal-of-michael-gardner-case/
Virginia Supreme Court Set to Hear Appeal of Michael Gardner Case
APRIL 16, 2014
By FCNP.com
The Virginia Supreme Court is set today in Richmond to hear the appeal of the May 2012 conviction by an Arlington circuit court of Falls Church Democratic political activist Michael Gardner on two counts of aggravated sexual assault of two underage girls, according to the Associated Press. Gardner is currently serving a 22 year prison sentence.
---
Have not yet found results of the April 16 hearing.
Virginia Supreme Court Set to Hear Appeal of Michael Gardner Case
APRIL 16, 2014
By FCNP.com
The Virginia Supreme Court is set today in Richmond to hear the appeal of the May 2012 conviction by an Arlington circuit court of Falls Church Democratic political activist Michael Gardner on two counts of aggravated sexual assault of two underage girls, according to the Associated Press. Gardner is currently serving a 22 year prison sentence.
---
Have not yet found results of the April 16 hearing.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bob Loblaw.
()
Date: April 27, 2014 10:40PM
Audio of the April 16, 2014 oral arguments (32 minutes)
http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/scv/oral_arguments/2014/apr/131166.mp3
Grasping at straws, IMHO.
http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/scv/oral_arguments/2014/apr/131166.mp3
Grasping at straws, IMHO.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: April 28, 2014 08:56AM
.
Attachments:
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
accountant
()
Date: May 07, 2014 04:34PM
Mr. Gardner must be bankrupting his family with these appeals.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 08, 2014 08:58AM
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Disappointed
()
Date: June 05, 2014 12:56PM
Big news.
http://courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1131166.pdf
Just goes to show, anything can happen. The evidence still stands.
Best wishes to the girls as they go through everything all over again.
http://courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1131166.pdf
Just goes to show, anything can happen. The evidence still stands.
Best wishes to the girls as they go through everything all over again.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:00PM
Unless you are a masochist or really love dissecting legalese, the only part really worth reading is always at the very end of these things--
EDIT- this is the DISSENTING opinion.
Therefore, I would affirm Gardner's
convictions.
EDIT- this is the DISSENTING opinion.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:00PM
;
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Reversed and remanded.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:08PM
um, Wing - that's not what happened :(
1
Conclusion
We hold that the Court of Appeals erred in denying
Gardner’s appeal, because the circuit court erred by
sustaining the Commonwealth’s objection to Gardner’s question
that sought admissible character evidence. Furthermore, we
cannot say that such error was harmless. Therefore, we will
reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals, vacate the
convictions, and remand this case to the Court of Appeals
directing that it remand the case to the circuit court for
further proceedings if the Commonwealth be so inclined.
1
Conclusion
We hold that the Court of Appeals erred in denying
Gardner’s appeal, because the circuit court erred by
sustaining the Commonwealth’s objection to Gardner’s question
that sought admissible character evidence. Furthermore, we
cannot say that such error was harmless. Therefore, we will
reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals, vacate the
convictions, and remand this case to the Court of Appeals
directing that it remand the case to the circuit court for
further proceedings if the Commonwealth be so inclined.
Round Two......................FIGHT!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:12PM
to the girls: you are older, stronger, smarter, better
he is weaker, poorer, and seen by the World for WHAT he is.
FINISH HIM!
he is weaker, poorer, and seen by the World for WHAT he is.
FINISH HIM!
Re: Reversed and remanded.
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:13PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Reversed and remanded.
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:15PM
Hey Gordon, where you been?
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Re: Reversed and remanded.
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:27PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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as for where I've been? Stuck on Dolley Madison Blvd for, like- EVER! LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 05, 2014 01:40PM
Justice System is all about the "LAW" , never has been about emotions of a case.........
don't be disappointed yet - just watch what happens next. Probably will happen pretty quickly ;)
don't be disappointed yet - just watch what happens next. Probably will happen pretty quickly ;)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
:) Lolzer
()
Date: June 05, 2014 02:01PM
to the girls: you are older, stronger, smarter, better
he is weaker, poorer, and seen by the World for WHAT he is.
FINISH HIM!
Hmmm...a little displaced anger there, Gordo? Do you see yourself when you look at photos of Gardner? Funny how you come out of the woodwork from time to time to do a rub and tug with your friend Wingnut on this particular thread...
he is weaker, poorer, and seen by the World for WHAT he is.
FINISH HIM!
Hmmm...a little displaced anger there, Gordo? Do you see yourself when you look at photos of Gardner? Funny how you come out of the woodwork from time to time to do a rub and tug with your friend Wingnut on this particular thread...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 05, 2014 02:18PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Justice Denied
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Date: June 05, 2014 02:38PM
Ladies, please! This pedofag has been brought to justice. We have another troubling case here...a mysterious death in Vienna, on Circle Drive. The hapless Vienna police are quite stumped.
You're needed!
You're needed!
Sexual Assault Conviction Overturned in Michael Gardner Case
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More Info
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Date: June 09, 2014 07:53AM
Sexual Assault Conviction Overturned in Michael Gardner Case
Witness questioning was wrongly excluded during trial, according to Virginia Supreme Court.
http://fallschurch.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/sexual-assault-conviction-overturned-in-michael-gardner-case
Virginia's Supreme Court has overturned the conviction of Michael Gardner, a prominent Falls Church Democrat who was accused of sexually assaulting two girls in 2011 during a sleepover for his daughter's birthday.
Gardner was sentenced to 22 years in prison, but has continued to claim his innocence throughout the appeals process. "We're not giving up," his wife, Robin Gardner, told Patch in 2013 regarding the appeal process.
On Thursday, the Supreme Court said the lower courts were wrong to reject defense questions of two character witnesses regarding Gardner's reputation as a good caretaker of children.
According to The Washington Post, the commonwealth will have to decide on a retrial. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/virginia-supreme-court-overturns-michael-gardner-molestation-conviction/2014/06/05/bf85d72c-ecc6-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html?hpid=z2
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Witness questioning was wrongly excluded during trial, according to Virginia Supreme Court.
http://fallschurch.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/sexual-assault-conviction-overturned-in-michael-gardner-case
Virginia's Supreme Court has overturned the conviction of Michael Gardner, a prominent Falls Church Democrat who was accused of sexually assaulting two girls in 2011 during a sleepover for his daughter's birthday.
Gardner was sentenced to 22 years in prison, but has continued to claim his innocence throughout the appeals process. "We're not giving up," his wife, Robin Gardner, told Patch in 2013 regarding the appeal process.
On Thursday, the Supreme Court said the lower courts were wrong to reject defense questions of two character witnesses regarding Gardner's reputation as a good caretaker of children.
According to The Washington Post, the commonwealth will have to decide on a retrial. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/virginia-supreme-court-overturns-michael-gardner-molestation-conviction/2014/06/05/bf85d72c-ecc6-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html?hpid=z2
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Small World
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Date: June 09, 2014 04:08PM
Wow ... things do happen quickly. Word around town is that the Gardners are moving into their old house in Falls Church and re-enrolling their kids back in the school with the victims.
It's a shame how this community is so supportive of this family, and worried about their rights, when the rights of the minor kids going through this circus for a second time doesn't seem to matter at all.
Can't wait to see what they do next ... happy anniversary, everyone.
It's a shame how this community is so supportive of this family, and worried about their rights, when the rights of the minor kids going through this circus for a second time doesn't seem to matter at all.
Can't wait to see what they do next ... happy anniversary, everyone.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: June 10, 2014 05:52AM
More like Groundhog Day.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Beware!!
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Date: June 10, 2014 01:01PM
Look out kiddies. He is out!
In Falls Church!
Staying in Arlington for now!
In Falls Church!
Staying in Arlington for now!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
puthisballsunderasteamroller
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Date: June 10, 2014 01:04PM
Small World Wrote:
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> Wow ... things do happen quickly. Word around
> town is that the Gardners are moving into their
> old house in Falls Church and re-enrolling their
> kids back in the school with the victims.
>
> It's a shame how this community is so supportive
> of this family, and worried about their rights,
> when the rights of the minor kids going through
> this circus for a second time doesn't seem to
> matter at all.
>
> Can't wait to see what they do next ... happy
> anniversary, everyone.
I am sure the place holds special memories for him.
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> Wow ... things do happen quickly. Word around
> town is that the Gardners are moving into their
> old house in Falls Church and re-enrolling their
> kids back in the school with the victims.
>
> It's a shame how this community is so supportive
> of this family, and worried about their rights,
> when the rights of the minor kids going through
> this circus for a second time doesn't seem to
> matter at all.
>
> Can't wait to see what they do next ... happy
> anniversary, everyone.
I am sure the place holds special memories for him.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: June 11, 2014 10:30AM
@put: It's probably the Hilton compared to where he's been.............
@Beware: I wonder how soon charges are gonna be refiled
@046, Small: I think the Mayor is smart enough to keep her kids out of town for the duration LoLz (Jesus H. Christ, I hope to God she is...................)
@Wing: He'd NEVER take the stand - he's not man enough to, more used to creeping around like a roach in the dark - apparently that's his M.O. :(
@LoLzer: um, yeah.......... (do any of y'all get that?)
@Beware: I wonder how soon charges are gonna be refiled
@046, Small: I think the Mayor is smart enough to keep her kids out of town for the duration LoLz (Jesus H. Christ, I hope to God she is...................)
@Wing: He'd NEVER take the stand - he's not man enough to, more used to creeping around like a roach in the dark - apparently that's his M.O. :(
@LoLzer: um, yeah.......... (do any of y'all get that?)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
GordonGecko
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Date: June 11, 2014 11:00AM
Here's an idea, Gordon, why don't you and Wangnut take turns stalking this Gardner, 24-hours a day...keeping an eye on him, shaming him, stand on the sidewalk in front of his house with dayglo signs...don't just hide behind a keyboard, take the next step...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: June 11, 2014 11:14AM
GordonGecko Wrote:
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> Here's an idea, Gordon, why don't you and Wangnut
> take turns stalking this Gardner, 24-hours a
> day...keeping an eye on him, shaming him, stand on
> the sidewalk in front of his house with dayglo
> signs...don't just hide behind a keyboard, take
> the next step...
Attachments:
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> Here's an idea, Gordon, why don't you and Wangnut
> take turns stalking this Gardner, 24-hours a
> day...keeping an eye on him, shaming him, stand on
> the sidewalk in front of his house with dayglo
> signs...don't just hide behind a keyboard, take
> the next step...
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Michael Gardner
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Date: June 11, 2014 11:43AM
HaHa suckers! I win!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gardner loves the secret garden
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Date: June 12, 2014 03:20PM
Wonder how he thinks the new trial will end any differently, given that the testimony and evidence will likely be the same. Will having his character witnessess take the stand make a difference?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ex FC
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Date: June 12, 2014 07:38PM
New testimony from character witnesses shouldn't make any difference. His best hope is for a hung jury. That may seem impossible, given the DNA evidence, but stranger things have happened in court. The defense only has to convince one juror that Gardner is the victim, not the children.
Unfortunately, a second trial likely will be a bigger sensation than the first and an even greater strain on the girls and their families.
Unfortunately, a second trial likely will be a bigger sensation than the first and an even greater strain on the girls and their families.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gardner Information
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Date: June 12, 2014 08:20PM
With the frequent updates and a thriving community of posts and ripostes, Blueweeds (blueweeds.typepad.com) prevails as Falls Church’s preeminent blog, with an average of 15-18,000 page views a month.
Often times outspoken, and politically progressive in tone, Blueweeds is a product of its primary contributor and founder, Michael Gardner, a former chairman of the Falls Church Democratic Committee. Gardner has managed the site since bringing the rolling commentary on the state of life in Falls Church online in 2006.
“It’s definitely grown beyond what I thought it would be,” says Gardner, who began the site to communicate with family and friends.
Interest in blogging arose from Howard Dean’s wired chairmanship of the Democratic Party, leading a campaign to build a netroots community, “a concept of building a real progressive community with people interested in local events, building relationships,” according to Gardner.
gardnermug.jpgHe is unabashed about his civic interest in Falls Church, or as Gardner called it, his “obsession with what goes on within the community.”
To that end, Blueweeds has blossomed into an engine of community dialogue, between the visitors who comment on and debate the posts and the the team behind Blueweeds, which now includes city resident Bob Burnett, as of spring 2007, and former Falls Church City councilman David Chavern from July 2008. Each member of the team brands the blog with a perspective unique in scope and slant.
Topics range from the ubiquitous concerns of residential planning and the ongoing schism within the Falls Church Anglican and Episcopalian branches to the mundane and eclectic. Take for example a recent post that covered the LEGO Inaugural Ceremonies, or an older post on “Eleven Things about the Mayor,” Robin Gardner, who is Gardner’s wife, including her “dead-on” Ethel Merman impression. Whatever the issue around town, the Blueweeds crew has it covered.
Gardner admits his relationship with the city mayor lends Blueweeds an intimate tie into city politics, but one he insists does not taint his own analysis. “Finding the voice of Blueweeds has been answering this question,” says Gardner. “We’ve had to find a balance.”
As the main voice of Blueweeds, Gardner has struck that balance by mixing serious, often incisive analysis of governmental affairs with a “strong sense of whimsy” and cynicism.
While Gardner does not “pretend to be a professional reporter,” Blueweeds covers a broad swath of Falls Church politics, each post awash with links to sources and supplementary material from city web sites – a singular privilege of online reporting.
“Blogs should be designed to communicate stories as immediately as possible,” Gardner says, and engage the community in the news. “Newspapers have more detail on the issues that should dominate the discussion for the community.”
Blueweeds generates as much news coverage as it does comments of all shades, from the most praising agreement to the biting criticism. “We get a lot of feedback, which is one of the intentions of writing about local stories.” On occasion, Gardner says that some comments are deleted for “very critical or personal” attacks on the writer. “Regular readers understand that Blueweeds exists for them to communicate.”
That understanding applies for the relationship within Blueweeds, whose authors act independently in posting to the site without any editorial supervision. “The beauty is if Mike disagrees with me, he’ll post a comment,” says Burnett. “Everyone has a unique perspective on things. I’ve had some people come up to me and say, ‘How could you post that?’ The point of blogs is it gives you an opportunity to post your thoughts.”
Burnett, who works in communications for TDI and had been a planning commissioner, views Blueweeds, and his other blogs, as a “glorified billboard” where the community can interact. “I saw Blueweeds as an outlet for things I’ve seen going on on the national and local levels,” he says. “I’ve been lucky at work to have people who have developmental expertise in planning consternation like we have in Falls Church.
“I think blogging is great. I was the kid who threw the note across the room in elementary school. And since I grew up in Falls Church, every now and then I can throw in something historical about Falls Church.”
Even in disagreement, Burnett sees moments for pragmatism on the plane of existence in the city. “People can have different perspectives on politics in the city, but we can come together on where is the best coffee at the farmers market.”
Chavern joined the team for similar reasons, he says. “I was happy to volunteer because that’s an important thing with blogs: making it a vibrant community.”
Chavern focuses on the developmental and educational concerns within the city, posting on issues “where I have a strong view” every couple of weeks. Like Burnett, Chavern aims for a more “independent” tone in his posts.
Despite his contributions Chavern does not consider himself a blogger, per se. “I’m not sure when people say, ‘I’m a blogger.’ Is it a full or part-time profession for me? It’s difficult to say I’m a blogger,” he says. “It’s akin to saying there are people who write letters to the editor full-time.”
The key to Blueweeds’ success is Gardner’s consistent “daily slough of material that you don’t tend to get on other sites,” says Chavern.
Chavern added that Blueweeds has had “a positive impact” on the Falls Church community. “Blueweeds gives readers insight that would have been kept at City Hall.”
The Blueweeds team looks forward to continuing churning out regular posts from its three-man team, plus the occasional guest author, but new voices are always sought, says Gardner. “Blogs in general are lacking in female voices.” He suggests that interested female denizens of Falls Church ought to visit the site and gauge their involvement.
http://fcnp.com/2009/01/22/falls-church-citizens-take-civic-engagement-online/
Often times outspoken, and politically progressive in tone, Blueweeds is a product of its primary contributor and founder, Michael Gardner, a former chairman of the Falls Church Democratic Committee. Gardner has managed the site since bringing the rolling commentary on the state of life in Falls Church online in 2006.
“It’s definitely grown beyond what I thought it would be,” says Gardner, who began the site to communicate with family and friends.
Interest in blogging arose from Howard Dean’s wired chairmanship of the Democratic Party, leading a campaign to build a netroots community, “a concept of building a real progressive community with people interested in local events, building relationships,” according to Gardner.
gardnermug.jpgHe is unabashed about his civic interest in Falls Church, or as Gardner called it, his “obsession with what goes on within the community.”
To that end, Blueweeds has blossomed into an engine of community dialogue, between the visitors who comment on and debate the posts and the the team behind Blueweeds, which now includes city resident Bob Burnett, as of spring 2007, and former Falls Church City councilman David Chavern from July 2008. Each member of the team brands the blog with a perspective unique in scope and slant.
Topics range from the ubiquitous concerns of residential planning and the ongoing schism within the Falls Church Anglican and Episcopalian branches to the mundane and eclectic. Take for example a recent post that covered the LEGO Inaugural Ceremonies, or an older post on “Eleven Things about the Mayor,” Robin Gardner, who is Gardner’s wife, including her “dead-on” Ethel Merman impression. Whatever the issue around town, the Blueweeds crew has it covered.
Gardner admits his relationship with the city mayor lends Blueweeds an intimate tie into city politics, but one he insists does not taint his own analysis. “Finding the voice of Blueweeds has been answering this question,” says Gardner. “We’ve had to find a balance.”
As the main voice of Blueweeds, Gardner has struck that balance by mixing serious, often incisive analysis of governmental affairs with a “strong sense of whimsy” and cynicism.
While Gardner does not “pretend to be a professional reporter,” Blueweeds covers a broad swath of Falls Church politics, each post awash with links to sources and supplementary material from city web sites – a singular privilege of online reporting.
“Blogs should be designed to communicate stories as immediately as possible,” Gardner says, and engage the community in the news. “Newspapers have more detail on the issues that should dominate the discussion for the community.”
Blueweeds generates as much news coverage as it does comments of all shades, from the most praising agreement to the biting criticism. “We get a lot of feedback, which is one of the intentions of writing about local stories.” On occasion, Gardner says that some comments are deleted for “very critical or personal” attacks on the writer. “Regular readers understand that Blueweeds exists for them to communicate.”
That understanding applies for the relationship within Blueweeds, whose authors act independently in posting to the site without any editorial supervision. “The beauty is if Mike disagrees with me, he’ll post a comment,” says Burnett. “Everyone has a unique perspective on things. I’ve had some people come up to me and say, ‘How could you post that?’ The point of blogs is it gives you an opportunity to post your thoughts.”
Burnett, who works in communications for TDI and had been a planning commissioner, views Blueweeds, and his other blogs, as a “glorified billboard” where the community can interact. “I saw Blueweeds as an outlet for things I’ve seen going on on the national and local levels,” he says. “I’ve been lucky at work to have people who have developmental expertise in planning consternation like we have in Falls Church.
“I think blogging is great. I was the kid who threw the note across the room in elementary school. And since I grew up in Falls Church, every now and then I can throw in something historical about Falls Church.”
Even in disagreement, Burnett sees moments for pragmatism on the plane of existence in the city. “People can have different perspectives on politics in the city, but we can come together on where is the best coffee at the farmers market.”
Chavern joined the team for similar reasons, he says. “I was happy to volunteer because that’s an important thing with blogs: making it a vibrant community.”
Chavern focuses on the developmental and educational concerns within the city, posting on issues “where I have a strong view” every couple of weeks. Like Burnett, Chavern aims for a more “independent” tone in his posts.
Despite his contributions Chavern does not consider himself a blogger, per se. “I’m not sure when people say, ‘I’m a blogger.’ Is it a full or part-time profession for me? It’s difficult to say I’m a blogger,” he says. “It’s akin to saying there are people who write letters to the editor full-time.”
The key to Blueweeds’ success is Gardner’s consistent “daily slough of material that you don’t tend to get on other sites,” says Chavern.
Chavern added that Blueweeds has had “a positive impact” on the Falls Church community. “Blueweeds gives readers insight that would have been kept at City Hall.”
The Blueweeds team looks forward to continuing churning out regular posts from its three-man team, plus the occasional guest author, but new voices are always sought, says Gardner. “Blogs in general are lacking in female voices.” He suggests that interested female denizens of Falls Church ought to visit the site and gauge their involvement.
http://fcnp.com/2009/01/22/falls-church-citizens-take-civic-engagement-online/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
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Date: June 14, 2014 06:07AM
Perhaps this would be useful in the Gardner home.
http://local.amazon.com/northern-virginia/B00KWBE3EG
http://local.amazon.com/northern-virginia/B00KWBE3EG
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ex FC
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Date: June 14, 2014 11:25AM
Falls Church media reaction to decision:
http://fcnp.com/2014/06/11/michael-gardners-conviction-overturned-new-trial-slated/
http://fallschurchtimes.com/42797/outside-the-box-gardner-decision-healthy-for-justice-system/
http://fcnp.com/2014/06/11/michael-gardners-conviction-overturned-new-trial-slated/
http://fallschurchtimes.com/42797/outside-the-box-gardner-decision-healthy-for-justice-system/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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He is out on bail until 2/15
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Date: June 23, 2014 02:30PM
Michael Gardner, the Falls Church resident whose conviction on two charges of child molestation stemming from incidents in 2011 was overturned by the Virginia Supreme Court earlier this month, was granted release from prison on a $50,000 bond in an Arlington court hearing today pending a retrial scheduled to begin February 2, 2015.
Gardner, former chair of the Falls Church City Democratic Committee and husband of former Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner, was convicted of molesting two girls at a birthday party at his house in 2011 and sentenced to 22 years in prison in 2012.
The Virginia Supreme Court ruled that the Circuit Court trial judge, Benjamin Kendrick, improperly barred two character witnesses from testifying about whether Gardner had a reputation as a good caretaker of children. Their testimony was limited to Gardner’s general reputation for honesty and peacefulness.
Gardner, former chair of the Falls Church City Democratic Committee and husband of former Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner, was convicted of molesting two girls at a birthday party at his house in 2011 and sentenced to 22 years in prison in 2012.
The Virginia Supreme Court ruled that the Circuit Court trial judge, Benjamin Kendrick, improperly barred two character witnesses from testifying about whether Gardner had a reputation as a good caretaker of children. Their testimony was limited to Gardner’s general reputation for honesty and peacefulness.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 02:47PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 02:54PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 02:58PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:13PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:13PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:14PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:14PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:19PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:29PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:36PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dell
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Date: June 23, 2014 03:51PM
All these postings by Wangnut...getting all spun up in his usual psychosexual revenge frothing again.
Are you going to be at luggage stores, or at the airport, on lookout for getaway attempts?
Are you going to be at luggage stores, or at the airport, on lookout for getaway attempts?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmmmm
()
Date: June 23, 2014 03:54PM
Dell Wrote:
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> All these postings by Wangnut...getting all spun
> up in his usual psychosexual revenge frothing
> again.
>
> Are you going to be at luggage stores, or at the
> airport, on lookout for getaway attempts?
While Wingnut does seem a bit over interested in the case and in seeking revenge, I am more concerned about anyone that would have problems with people seeking revenge on pedophiles. Seems like you have a bit of a guilty conscience, buddy. What's the matter? Don't want others coming down on you as hard for your actions? Or are you just a friend of that pedo, Michael Gardner?
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> All these postings by Wangnut...getting all spun
> up in his usual psychosexual revenge frothing
> again.
>
> Are you going to be at luggage stores, or at the
> airport, on lookout for getaway attempts?
While Wingnut does seem a bit over interested in the case and in seeking revenge, I am more concerned about anyone that would have problems with people seeking revenge on pedophiles. Seems like you have a bit of a guilty conscience, buddy. What's the matter? Don't want others coming down on you as hard for your actions? Or are you just a friend of that pedo, Michael Gardner?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dell
()
Date: June 23, 2014 03:59PM
Yeah, you caught me...I'm a pedofag with a guilty conscience, and on top of that, I'm a pedofriend of Gardner...
Idiot.
Idiot.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmmmmmmm
()
Date: June 23, 2014 04:00PM
Dell Wrote:
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> Yeah, you caught me...I'm a pedofag with a guilty
> conscience, and on top of that, I'm a pedofriend
> of Gardner...
>
> Idiot.
Oh, I see, you are just some random guy that comes to the defense of pedophiles. It all makes sense now.
Shit for brains.
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> Yeah, you caught me...I'm a pedofag with a guilty
> conscience, and on top of that, I'm a pedofriend
> of Gardner...
>
> Idiot.
Oh, I see, you are just some random guy that comes to the defense of pedophiles. It all makes sense now.
Shit for brains.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ybucm
()
Date: June 23, 2014 06:02PM
According to the Post, Gardner was granted bond today.
So, in a few hours, he'll be out of jail.
At least until his re-trial.
So, in a few hours, he'll be out of jail.
At least until his re-trial.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mouth Breather
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Date: June 23, 2014 06:40PM
Oh, I see, you are just some random guy that comes to the defense of pedophiles. It all makes sense now.
Shit for brains.
If you interpret what was said as being in "defense" of pedophiles, you are obviously as much of a reactionary fucktard as that stalker Wingnut.
Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia Law.
Shit for brains.
If you interpret what was said as being in "defense" of pedophiles, you are obviously as much of a reactionary fucktard as that stalker Wingnut.
Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia Law.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ex FC
()
Date: June 23, 2014 07:17PM
The bail amount does seem relatively low, given the nature of the alleged offense. Presumably the court order forbidding him to live with his own children is still in effect.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Question 67
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Date: June 23, 2014 07:25PM
Here's a question for you legal scholars...why do you call this guy a pedofag?
He's a pedophile who preyed on females, which makes him a...pedophile...is "pedofag" some made up joke word because it's easier for most of you to pronounce than "pedophile?"
He's a pedophile who preyed on females, which makes him a...pedophile...is "pedofag" some made up joke word because it's easier for most of you to pronounce than "pedophile?"
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned Viewer
()
Date: June 23, 2014 07:31PM
Holy shit, 10, TEN stalker posts in a row by Wingnut!
Um dude, you need to push yourself away from the keyboard, Mkay?
Um dude, you need to push yourself away from the keyboard, Mkay?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: June 23, 2014 09:24PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
All the signs
()
Date: June 23, 2014 09:54PM
Wingnut, you have to go pretty far to be more mentally ill than a pedophile, but you've gone and done it!
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: June 23, 2014 10:10PM
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Alleged slumber party molester free on bond
Posted by:
Free on Bond
()
Date: June 24, 2014 07:05AM
Alleged slumber party molester free on bond
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/falls-church/2014/06/23/michael-garnder-bond-child-molestation-conviction-falls-church/11262021/
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- After two years behind bars, Michael Gardner was released as a free man today. He left the Arlington County detention Center with his family friends and wife.
Robyn Gardner is a former Falls Church City mayor and council member. Her husband's convictions for molesting two girls were reversed on June 5 by the Virginia Supreme Court.
Gardner still faces the charges from 2011 and he will be tried again. He's accused of sexually fondling two girls, ages 9 and 10, during the night at his daughter's slumber party.
Prosecutor Nicole Wittman argued Gardner be held without bond, saying there is significant DNA evidence against him.
During his first trial, the prosecution presented concentrated DNA evidence that pointed to Gardner. It was found on the inside crotch of one of the girls panties.
Similar DNA evidence found on the other child's pajama bottoms also presented.
To watch the news story go here:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/falls-church/2014/06/23/michael-garnder-bond-child-molestation-conviction-falls-church/11262021/
Attachments:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/falls-church/2014/06/23/michael-garnder-bond-child-molestation-conviction-falls-church/11262021/
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- After two years behind bars, Michael Gardner was released as a free man today. He left the Arlington County detention Center with his family friends and wife.
Robyn Gardner is a former Falls Church City mayor and council member. Her husband's convictions for molesting two girls were reversed on June 5 by the Virginia Supreme Court.
Gardner still faces the charges from 2011 and he will be tried again. He's accused of sexually fondling two girls, ages 9 and 10, during the night at his daughter's slumber party.
Prosecutor Nicole Wittman argued Gardner be held without bond, saying there is significant DNA evidence against him.
During his first trial, the prosecution presented concentrated DNA evidence that pointed to Gardner. It was found on the inside crotch of one of the girls panties.
Similar DNA evidence found on the other child's pajama bottoms also presented.
To watch the news story go here:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/falls-church/2014/06/23/michael-garnder-bond-child-molestation-conviction-falls-church/11262021/
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmmmmmm
()
Date: June 24, 2014 09:52AM
Mouth Breather Wrote:
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> Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia
> Law.
Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we actually incarcerate pedos...
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> Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia
> Law.
Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we actually incarcerate pedos...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Actually...
()
Date: June 24, 2014 10:32AM
Mouth Breather Wrote:
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> Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia
> Law.
Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we actually incarcerate pedos...
My goodness, what a clever fellow you are...and it only took you such a short time to come up with your witty response...yes, it totally tears me up that pedos are incarcerated.
LOL
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> Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have Sharia
> Law.
Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we actually incarcerate pedos...
My goodness, what a clever fellow you are...and it only took you such a short time to come up with your witty response...yes, it totally tears me up that pedos are incarcerated.
LOL
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmmmmmmm
()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:04PM
Actually... Wrote:
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> Mouth Breather Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have
> Sharia
> > Law.
>
> Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we
> actually incarcerate pedos...
>
>
> My goodness, what a clever fellow you are...and it
> only took you such a short time to come up with
> your witty response...
Oh, I see, you are under the impression that I somehow feel the need to come back here and see if you responded. Silly fellow, don't project your obsession on others.
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> Mouth Breather Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Boy, it must tear you up that we don't have
> Sharia
> > Law.
>
> Not so much, but it seems to tear you up that we
> actually incarcerate pedos...
>
>
> My goodness, what a clever fellow you are...and it
> only took you such a short time to come up with
> your witty response...
Oh, I see, you are under the impression that I somehow feel the need to come back here and see if you responded. Silly fellow, don't project your obsession on others.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed Onlooker
()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:17PM
But, but, you obviously DID feel the need to come back here, which is what you have just done!
Hmmmm, how many other deeply repressed compulsions are you desperately fighting to keep from emerging?
Hmmmm, how many other deeply repressed compulsions are you desperately fighting to keep from emerging?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
U97n9
()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:28PM
In the News... Wrote:
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> Falls Church authorities were contacted by the
> female victims who were at home and told officers
> that Gardner had inappropriate psychical contact
> with them. The statement says after police
> interviewed the victims who were at home, they
> obtained search warrants for DNA.
>
NO
and are the "victims" all mexicans that need citizenship ? maybe democrats trying to oust a white guy ? maybe girls who were late on rent and owed it and usu. payed that way ?
people line up for lawsuits on , ie , teachers if they hear a sniff of a claim
POINT: they have to prove it , show injury or complain just after it happend at least: not just rumor it a year after since someone else had complained (possible falsely, there are evil women you know, they are not %99.5 pure like ivory soap i'd say far from it)
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prove it
the court cannot decide cases of mere accusation , there MUST be injury or better co-oberation than angry bitches
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> Falls Church authorities were contacted by the
> female victims who were at home and told officers
> that Gardner had inappropriate psychical contact
> with them. The statement says after police
> interviewed the victims who were at home, they
> obtained search warrants for DNA.
>
NO
and are the "victims" all mexicans that need citizenship ? maybe democrats trying to oust a white guy ? maybe girls who were late on rent and owed it and usu. payed that way ?
people line up for lawsuits on , ie , teachers if they hear a sniff of a claim
POINT: they have to prove it , show injury or complain just after it happend at least: not just rumor it a year after since someone else had complained (possible falsely, there are evil women you know, they are not %99.5 pure like ivory soap i'd say far from it)
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prove it
the court cannot decide cases of mere accusation , there MUST be injury or better co-oberation than angry bitches
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Financial Partner
()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:54PM
NO
and are the "victims" all mexicans that need citizenship ? maybe democrats trying to oust a white guy ? maybe girls who were late on rent and owed it and usu. payed that way ?
people line up for lawsuits on , ie , teachers if they hear a sniff of a claim
POINT: they have to prove it , show injury or complain just after it happend at least: not just rumor it a year after since someone else had complained (possible falsely, there are evil women you know, they are not %99.5 pure like ivory soap i'd say far from it)
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prove it
the court cannot decide cases of mere accusation , there MUST be injury or better co-oberation than angry bitches
Well said, sir, well said. You obviously are of a higher mental caliber than most posters here.
and are the "victims" all mexicans that need citizenship ? maybe democrats trying to oust a white guy ? maybe girls who were late on rent and owed it and usu. payed that way ?
people line up for lawsuits on , ie , teachers if they hear a sniff of a claim
POINT: they have to prove it , show injury or complain just after it happend at least: not just rumor it a year after since someone else had complained (possible falsely, there are evil women you know, they are not %99.5 pure like ivory soap i'd say far from it)
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prove it
the court cannot decide cases of mere accusation , there MUST be injury or better co-oberation than angry bitches
Well said, sir, well said. You obviously are of a higher mental caliber than most posters here.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmmmmm
()
Date: June 24, 2014 01:57PM
Dazed Onlooker Wrote:
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> But, but, you obviously DID feel the need to come
> back here, which is what you have just done!
>
> Hmmmm, how many other deeply repressed compulsions
> are you desperately fighting to keep from
> emerging?
Don't confuse a casual peek in for an obsession, fool. The post was clearly in response to his perceived lack of timeliness on my part in responding to his obsessed drivel. I am sure you spend much of your day dazed...
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> But, but, you obviously DID feel the need to come
> back here, which is what you have just done!
>
> Hmmmm, how many other deeply repressed compulsions
> are you desperately fighting to keep from
> emerging?
Don't confuse a casual peek in for an obsession, fool. The post was clearly in response to his perceived lack of timeliness on my part in responding to his obsessed drivel. I am sure you spend much of your day dazed...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Finlandia Grouping
()
Date: June 24, 2014 02:21PM
Don't confuse a casual peek in for an obsession, fool. The post was clearly in response to his perceived lack of timeliness on my part in responding to his obsessed drivel. I am sure you spend much of your day dazed...
Are you U97n9?
Probably not. You're even less lucid than he is.
Are you U97n9?
Probably not. You're even less lucid than he is.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmmmmm
()
Date: June 24, 2014 02:39PM
Finlandia Grouping Wrote:
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>
> Are you U97n9?
>
> Probably not. You're even less lucid than he is.
I am not sure you know what lucid means.
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>
> Are you U97n9?
>
> Probably not. You're even less lucid than he is.
I am not sure you know what lucid means.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Brownstone Esq
()
Date: June 24, 2014 03:11PM
I am not sure you know what lucid means.
I am not sure you know what the legal process means...
I am not sure you know what the legal process means...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hmmmmm
()
Date: June 24, 2014 03:24PM
Brownstone Esq Wrote:
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> I am not sure you know what lucid means.
>
>
>
> I am not sure you know what the legal process
> means...
Speaking of lucid, you may need a lesson.
WTF are you talking about? Legal process? How is that even relevant to any of my posts???
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> I am not sure you know what lucid means.
>
>
>
> I am not sure you know what the legal process
> means...
Speaking of lucid, you may need a lesson.
WTF are you talking about? Legal process? How is that even relevant to any of my posts???
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sex Offender Wedding Registry
()
Date: June 24, 2014 04:52PM
Striking similarity.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Broad St. Bully
()
Date: June 24, 2014 05:43PM
Sex Offender Wedding Registry Wrote:
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> Striking similarity.
LOL!
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> Striking similarity.
LOL!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 25, 2014 08:03PM
Sex Offender Wedding Registry Wrote:
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> Striking similarity.
LOL Robin Gardner could rent that forehead to GoldenPalace.com for ad space and maybe pay for Mikey's defense.
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> Striking similarity.
LOL Robin Gardner could rent that forehead to GoldenPalace.com for ad space and maybe pay for Mikey's defense.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 25, 2014 08:09PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: June 25, 2014 10:40PM
If he doesn't try for a plea deal, he's completely f-ing insane. He knows what the evidence is...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Loudin Proud
()
Date: June 25, 2014 11:08PM
Great photo op for the missus. Moving trucks bringing them home next week, enrolling the kids back in school. A real hero's welcome.
Of course, he's not supposed to be with kids under 18 unsupervised, but I'm sure his wife's idea of supervision is totally fine. Such a gentleman, too, licking his finger first.
Pillar of the community, that one. Falls Church must be so proud to win them back from Arlington.
Of course, he's not supposed to be with kids under 18 unsupervised, but I'm sure his wife's idea of supervision is totally fine. Such a gentleman, too, licking his finger first.
Pillar of the community, that one. Falls Church must be so proud to win them back from Arlington.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 26, 2014 08:22AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Numb Lock
()
Date: June 26, 2014 09:48AM
Our side?
We're 60 Falls Church PEDOFAGS, and we're growing stronger every day! We've infiltrated businesses, local government, the court system, churches, even this bulletin board!
And we're coming after you, Wingnut. Thanks for keeping this thread alive!
We're 60 Falls Church PEDOFAGS, and we're growing stronger every day! We've infiltrated businesses, local government, the court system, churches, even this bulletin board!
And we're coming after you, Wingnut. Thanks for keeping this thread alive!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 26, 2014 10:07AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bluegrass
()
Date: June 28, 2014 08:40AM
I don't understand why people are so upset by a fair system of justice. Mr. Gardner was wrongfully convicted and the highest court in the state agreed. He should have been freed.
Now the prosecution and the Keystone Kops have another chance to earn the conviction the proper way with a fair trial. If he is guilty, then he is guilty. Just do it the right way.
Now the prosecution and the Keystone Kops have another chance to earn the conviction the proper way with a fair trial. If he is guilty, then he is guilty. Just do it the right way.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
What?
()
Date: June 28, 2014 11:24AM
What, you want to rely on traditional court system? Where a defendant is guaranteed the right to a fair trial, and examination of all evidence for and against the defendant, without hysteria or mob action?
A system, as demonstrated by this case, where the defendant will be retried on the same charges, but without procedural errors this time?
Ar you a PEDOFAG?
A system, as demonstrated by this case, where the defendant will be retried on the same charges, but without procedural errors this time?
Ar you a PEDOFAG?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
New Trial Date
()
Date: July 01, 2014 11:53AM
"Recently the Virginia Supreme Court reversed a decision finding former (and perhaps future) Falls Church resident Michael Armin Gardner guilty of multiple charges of child molestation. Following the reversal, the Arlington County Circuit Court has freed Gardner from prison on a $50,000 bond pending a new trial scheduled for February 2, 2015. Having had a two-plus year taste of prison life while his appeal was working its way through the system, Gardner might be tempted to agree to a plea bargain in order to avoid the expense of a new trial and the possibility that he could be found guilty again and ordered to serve out his original 22-year prison sentence."
Read more at http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2014/06/30/gardner-case-virginia-supreme-court-may-next/
Read more at http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2014/06/30/gardner-case-virginia-supreme-court-may-next/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Plea Bargain in the Works?
()
Date: July 11, 2014 08:07PM
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2014/06/30/gardner-case-virginia-supreme-court-may-next/
Recently the Virginia Supreme Court reversed a decision finding former (and perhaps future) Falls Church resident Michael Armin Gardner guilty of multiple charges of child molestation. Following the reversal, the Arlington County Circuit Court has freed Gardner from prison on a $50,000 bond pending a new trial scheduled for February 2, 2015. Having had a two-plus year taste of prison life while his appeal was working its way through the system, Gardner might be tempted to agree to a plea bargain in order to avoid the expense of a new trial and the possibility that he could be found guilty again and ordered to serve out his original 22-year prison sentence.
Anyone in Gardner’s position might well be tempted to cut his losses and take the plea rather than gamble on an adverse outcome. Clearly at trial there was persuasive evidence, including physical evidence, to support the original finding of guilt. As discussed below, the Supreme Court’s reversal was based on a legal technicality. The Court’s majority and dissenting decisions suggest that it’s not a slam-dunk that a retrial will produce a different outcome, even as they recognize his right to a retrial.
Supreme Court Decision
On June 5 the Virginia Supreme Court, in a 6-1 decision, reversed the trial court’s finding that Michael Gardner was guilty of committing aggravated sexual battery and object sexual penetration against pre-teen girlfriends of his daughter who were attending a sleepover at the Gardner home.
The Court did not address the substance of the child molestation charges; rather, it has given Gardner an opportunity to mitigate the effect of the evidence given at trial. Specifically, the Court found that the trial court committed reversible legal error by refusing to permit two of Gardner’s character witnesses (Laurie Ombrembt and Katherine Allan) to testify to his “reputation in the community for being a good caretaker of children and for not being sexually assaultive or abusive toward them.” (The two were permitted to testify on the record their belief that Gardner had a reputation for “truth and veracity” and “peacefulness”.)
In reaching this decision the Justices relied, in pertinent part, on Virginia legal precedent holding that “a defendant is not limited solely to reputation evidence regarding truthfulness, but may offer evidence to prove good character for any trait relevant in the case.”
Dissent
The dissenting Justice agreed with the trial court’s decision not to allow Ombrembt’s and Allan’s testimony regarding Gardner’s reputation for “being a good caretaker of children.” The dissent relied on additional Commonwealth legal precedent holding that “a character witness in a criminal case ‘must be aware of the [accused’s] reputation in the community before [she] may testify,’” and on precedent defining what it means to have a “reputation in the community.”
Referencing Gardner’s offer at trial of a description of the testimony Ombrembt and Allan would give if permitted, the dissenting Justice found that the offered testimony was “ambiguous” and, in effect, consisted of the witnesses’s personal feelings toward Gardner and their personal lack of knowledge of any evidence “of any sort of bad conduct, sexual conduct, with minor children.” [Emphasis added.) There was insufficient evidence that the witnesses were qualified to speak authoritatively about the breadth within the community of Gardner’s purported reputation for child care. Thus, the offered reputational evidence “contained no statement that either Ombrembt or Allan was aware of Gardner’s reputation in the community for a trait regarding child care.” (Emphasis added.)
Accordingly, the Justice found that the exclusion of Ombrembt’s and Allan’s testimony by the trial court was consistent with Commonwealth legal precedent holding that “reputation is the aggregate voice of a community” not simply “what a few persons say or may think about the accused, it is what the community generally believes.”
This is the posture of the case as Michael Gardner returns to court on a legal procedural error, neither guilty nor innocent of the charges against him. He carries the baggage of evidence that has already convinced one jury that he is guilty of the alleged crimes. There is broad agreement in principle that, as the distinguished jurist, William Blackstone, observed: “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” And so, Mr. Gardner may have another day in court.
But what is the likelihood of his success? The proceedings in this case so far raise more than a little doubt. It’s a stretch to imagine that Ombrempt’s and Allan’s testimony, as it was described in the proffer at trial, will be sufficient to overcome the testamentary and physical evidence of abuse introduced at the initial trial. Surely the prosecutor, mindful of the full range of legal precedent set out in the Supreme Court decision and dissent, will put witnesses Ombrempt and Allan to the proof that they meet the legal standard of speaking with “the aggregate voice of the community” in reference to Gardner’s reputation regarding children.
The reversal in this case puts me in mind of the common law “one free bite rule”, relying as it does on Gardner’s right to have witnesses testify to their largely personal lack of knowledge that he ever molested a child in the past. It’s quite a leap to say such testimony would prove Gardner hasn’t molested a child for the first time, as alleged. The one free bite rule may forgive a dog’s first attack but it puts the owner on notice of potential future danger and puts the animal in jeopardy of a more permanent solution upon a subsequent attack.
Of course the rule does not and cannot apply literally in the case of proven child molestation; the first time must be fatal to the molester. But it does have some procedural similarity here. Mr. Gardner has now had his one free bite at the judicial system and will get a second bite. The girls he has been found once to have molested and their families will be subjected to the trauma of another trial. Unless some element of this case changes dramatically, it could be that his retrial produces a second guilty verdict and a more permanent solution to the harm suffered by the victims.
Recently the Virginia Supreme Court reversed a decision finding former (and perhaps future) Falls Church resident Michael Armin Gardner guilty of multiple charges of child molestation. Following the reversal, the Arlington County Circuit Court has freed Gardner from prison on a $50,000 bond pending a new trial scheduled for February 2, 2015. Having had a two-plus year taste of prison life while his appeal was working its way through the system, Gardner might be tempted to agree to a plea bargain in order to avoid the expense of a new trial and the possibility that he could be found guilty again and ordered to serve out his original 22-year prison sentence.
Anyone in Gardner’s position might well be tempted to cut his losses and take the plea rather than gamble on an adverse outcome. Clearly at trial there was persuasive evidence, including physical evidence, to support the original finding of guilt. As discussed below, the Supreme Court’s reversal was based on a legal technicality. The Court’s majority and dissenting decisions suggest that it’s not a slam-dunk that a retrial will produce a different outcome, even as they recognize his right to a retrial.
Supreme Court Decision
On June 5 the Virginia Supreme Court, in a 6-1 decision, reversed the trial court’s finding that Michael Gardner was guilty of committing aggravated sexual battery and object sexual penetration against pre-teen girlfriends of his daughter who were attending a sleepover at the Gardner home.
The Court did not address the substance of the child molestation charges; rather, it has given Gardner an opportunity to mitigate the effect of the evidence given at trial. Specifically, the Court found that the trial court committed reversible legal error by refusing to permit two of Gardner’s character witnesses (Laurie Ombrembt and Katherine Allan) to testify to his “reputation in the community for being a good caretaker of children and for not being sexually assaultive or abusive toward them.” (The two were permitted to testify on the record their belief that Gardner had a reputation for “truth and veracity” and “peacefulness”.)
In reaching this decision the Justices relied, in pertinent part, on Virginia legal precedent holding that “a defendant is not limited solely to reputation evidence regarding truthfulness, but may offer evidence to prove good character for any trait relevant in the case.”
Dissent
The dissenting Justice agreed with the trial court’s decision not to allow Ombrembt’s and Allan’s testimony regarding Gardner’s reputation for “being a good caretaker of children.” The dissent relied on additional Commonwealth legal precedent holding that “a character witness in a criminal case ‘must be aware of the [accused’s] reputation in the community before [she] may testify,’” and on precedent defining what it means to have a “reputation in the community.”
Referencing Gardner’s offer at trial of a description of the testimony Ombrembt and Allan would give if permitted, the dissenting Justice found that the offered testimony was “ambiguous” and, in effect, consisted of the witnesses’s personal feelings toward Gardner and their personal lack of knowledge of any evidence “of any sort of bad conduct, sexual conduct, with minor children.” [Emphasis added.) There was insufficient evidence that the witnesses were qualified to speak authoritatively about the breadth within the community of Gardner’s purported reputation for child care. Thus, the offered reputational evidence “contained no statement that either Ombrembt or Allan was aware of Gardner’s reputation in the community for a trait regarding child care.” (Emphasis added.)
Accordingly, the Justice found that the exclusion of Ombrembt’s and Allan’s testimony by the trial court was consistent with Commonwealth legal precedent holding that “reputation is the aggregate voice of a community” not simply “what a few persons say or may think about the accused, it is what the community generally believes.”
This is the posture of the case as Michael Gardner returns to court on a legal procedural error, neither guilty nor innocent of the charges against him. He carries the baggage of evidence that has already convinced one jury that he is guilty of the alleged crimes. There is broad agreement in principle that, as the distinguished jurist, William Blackstone, observed: “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” And so, Mr. Gardner may have another day in court.
But what is the likelihood of his success? The proceedings in this case so far raise more than a little doubt. It’s a stretch to imagine that Ombrempt’s and Allan’s testimony, as it was described in the proffer at trial, will be sufficient to overcome the testamentary and physical evidence of abuse introduced at the initial trial. Surely the prosecutor, mindful of the full range of legal precedent set out in the Supreme Court decision and dissent, will put witnesses Ombrempt and Allan to the proof that they meet the legal standard of speaking with “the aggregate voice of the community” in reference to Gardner’s reputation regarding children.
The reversal in this case puts me in mind of the common law “one free bite rule”, relying as it does on Gardner’s right to have witnesses testify to their largely personal lack of knowledge that he ever molested a child in the past. It’s quite a leap to say such testimony would prove Gardner hasn’t molested a child for the first time, as alleged. The one free bite rule may forgive a dog’s first attack but it puts the owner on notice of potential future danger and puts the animal in jeopardy of a more permanent solution upon a subsequent attack.
Of course the rule does not and cannot apply literally in the case of proven child molestation; the first time must be fatal to the molester. But it does have some procedural similarity here. Mr. Gardner has now had his one free bite at the judicial system and will get a second bite. The girls he has been found once to have molested and their families will be subjected to the trauma of another trial. Unless some element of this case changes dramatically, it could be that his retrial produces a second guilty verdict and a more permanent solution to the harm suffered by the victims.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
lock your daughters up...
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Date: July 13, 2014 11:07PM
The Gardners were enjoying an evening out on the W&OD trail this evening around 7:30 with another couple. Are they finally welcome back in FCC? Michael looked like he dropped a few pounds, Robin looked like she gained a few.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Stalking is Against the Law
()
Date: July 14, 2014 07:16PM
Disturbing to see some mouth breather is following the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what they had for dinner and what car they are driving?
Seriously this man has done nothing to you and should be left alone while the justice system decides his fate.
Get a life.
Seriously this man has done nothing to you and should be left alone while the justice system decides his fate.
Get a life.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
people who support him are sick
()
Date: July 14, 2014 08:13PM
Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
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> Disturbing to see some mouth breather is following
> the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what
> they had for dinner and what car they are
> driving?
>
> Seriously this man has done nothing to you and
> should be left alone while the justice system
> decides his fate.
>
> Get a life.
Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I happened to be on a ride with my family and saw the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin though. He was there with another woman. My daughter was creeped out because she knows what he did to one of her peers.
Just because he got to keep his name off the sex offender list for a few months doesn't mean he isn't one. People need to know when dangerous individuals are out and about in their communities.
He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in front of a playground. That's just creepy. When he was out on bail the last time, he was denied visitation to his own children, you think it is appropriate for him to be hanging out at a playground?????
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> Disturbing to see some mouth breather is following
> the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what
> they had for dinner and what car they are
> driving?
>
> Seriously this man has done nothing to you and
> should be left alone while the justice system
> decides his fate.
>
> Get a life.
Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I happened to be on a ride with my family and saw the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin though. He was there with another woman. My daughter was creeped out because she knows what he did to one of her peers.
Just because he got to keep his name off the sex offender list for a few months doesn't mean he isn't one. People need to know when dangerous individuals are out and about in their communities.
He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in front of a playground. That's just creepy. When he was out on bail the last time, he was denied visitation to his own children, you think it is appropriate for him to be hanging out at a playground?????
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Questionable
()
Date: July 14, 2014 08:48PM
people who support him are sick Wrote:
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> Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Disturbing to see some mouth breather is
> following
> > the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what
> > they had for dinner and what car they are
> > driving?
> >
> > Seriously this man has done nothing to you and
> > should be left alone while the justice system
> > decides his fate.
> >
> > Get a life.
>
>
> Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I
> happened to be on a ride with my family and saw
> the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin
> though. He was there with another woman. My
> daughter was creeped out because she knows what he
> did to one of her peers.
>
> Just because he got to keep his name off the sex
> offender list for a few months doesn't mean he
> isn't one. People need to know when dangerous
> individuals are out and about in their
> communities.
>
> He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in front
> of a playground. That's just creepy. When he was
> out on bail the last time, he was denied
> visitation to his own children, you think it is
> appropriate for him to be hanging out at a
> playground?????
I thought you said Robin gained some weight.
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> Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Disturbing to see some mouth breather is
> following
> > the Gardner family around. Can you tell us what
> > they had for dinner and what car they are
> > driving?
> >
> > Seriously this man has done nothing to you and
> > should be left alone while the justice system
> > decides his fate.
> >
> > Get a life.
>
>
> Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I
> happened to be on a ride with my family and saw
> the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin
> though. He was there with another woman. My
> daughter was creeped out because she knows what he
> did to one of her peers.
>
> Just because he got to keep his name off the sex
> offender list for a few months doesn't mean he
> isn't one. People need to know when dangerous
> individuals are out and about in their
> communities.
>
> He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in front
> of a playground. That's just creepy. When he was
> out on bail the last time, he was denied
> visitation to his own children, you think it is
> appropriate for him to be hanging out at a
> playground?????
I thought you said Robin gained some weight.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
people who support him are sick
()
Date: July 14, 2014 11:15PM
Questionable Wrote:
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> people who support him are sick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Disturbing to see some mouth breather is
> > following
> > > the Gardner family around. Can you tell us
> what
> > > they had for dinner and what car they are
> > > driving?
> > >
> > > Seriously this man has done nothing to you
> and
> > > should be left alone while the justice system
> > > decides his fate.
> > >
> > > Get a life.
> >
> >
> > Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I
> > happened to be on a ride with my family and saw
> > the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin
> > though. He was there with another woman. My
> > daughter was creeped out because she knows what
> he
> > did to one of her peers.
> >
> > Just because he got to keep his name off the
> sex
> > offender list for a few months doesn't mean he
> > isn't one. People need to know when dangerous
> > individuals are out and about in their
> > communities.
> >
> > He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in
> front
> > of a playground. That's just creepy. When he
> was
> > out on bail the last time, he was denied
> > visitation to his own children, you think it is
> > appropriate for him to be hanging out at a
> > playground?????
>
>
> I thought you said Robin gained some weight.
Like I said, I didn't see her. I saw Michael sitting in front of a playground with another woman. You do know that numerous folks frequent that trail, correct? Just because I didn't notice her doesn't meant she wasn't present. Someone else may have seen her.
-------------------------------------------------------
> people who support him are sick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stalking is Against the Law Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Disturbing to see some mouth breather is
> > following
> > > the Gardner family around. Can you tell us
> what
> > > they had for dinner and what car they are
> > > driving?
> > >
> > > Seriously this man has done nothing to you
> and
> > > should be left alone while the justice system
> > > decides his fate.
> > >
> > > Get a life.
> >
> >
> > Stalking? The W&OD trail is a public park. I
> > happened to be on a ride with my family and saw
> > the scumbag there as well. I didn't see Robin
> > though. He was there with another woman. My
> > daughter was creeped out because she knows what
> he
> > did to one of her peers.
> >
> > Just because he got to keep his name off the
> sex
> > offender list for a few months doesn't mean he
> > isn't one. People need to know when dangerous
> > individuals are out and about in their
> > communities.
> >
> > He shouldn't be sitting on park benches in
> front
> > of a playground. That's just creepy. When he
> was
> > out on bail the last time, he was denied
> > visitation to his own children, you think it is
> > appropriate for him to be hanging out at a
> > playground?????
>
>
> I thought you said Robin gained some weight.
Like I said, I didn't see her. I saw Michael sitting in front of a playground with another woman. You do know that numerous folks frequent that trail, correct? Just because I didn't notice her doesn't meant she wasn't present. Someone else may have seen her.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Cheating on Robin?
()
Date: July 14, 2014 11:44PM
Who was the other woman, his sister?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lookin Out
()
Date: July 15, 2014 09:41AM
Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A predator is on the loose. Next thing you know, he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Post pics
()
Date: July 15, 2014 10:00AM
Here please.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ozone
()
Date: July 15, 2014 10:08AM
Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A predator is on the loose. Next thing you know, he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
Retard
Retard
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Retards love pedophiles
()
Date: July 15, 2014 08:16PM
Ozone Wrote:
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> Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A
> predator is on the loose. Next thing you know,
> he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
>
>
>
> Retard
Maybe he needs a little money for his defense, do you have some daughters who need babysitting?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A
> predator is on the loose. Next thing you know,
> he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
>
>
>
> Retard
Maybe he needs a little money for his defense, do you have some daughters who need babysitting?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lustbuster
()
Date: July 15, 2014 11:17PM
Ozone Wrote:
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> Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A
> predator is on the loose. Next thing you know,
> he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
>
>
>
> Retard
Maybe he needs a little money for his defense, do you have some daughters who need babysitting?
I bet you'd love to see some photos of little girls that need babysitting.
Retard.
And Goober
-------------------------------------------------------
> Look out Falls Church. Protect your children! A
> predator is on the loose. Next thing you know,
> he'll be at the neighborhood pool!
>
>
>
> Retard
Maybe he needs a little money for his defense, do you have some daughters who need babysitting?
I bet you'd love to see some photos of little girls that need babysitting.
Retard.
And Goober
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
sorry
()
Date: July 16, 2014 08:37AM
Sorry but I don't see how anyone could give this convicted pedophile the benefit of the doubt and accept him back into their community. Mr. Gardner had and well paid team of attorneys that few defendants in Virginia courts could possibly afford and he was convicted on three of four counts by a jury of his peers.
It disturbs me that he was granted bond especially after the nature of the testimony that was presented by three brave young girls.
I don't know how people who defend him or would testify as "Character Witnesses" can sleep at night if they know what was testified to in that courtroom. Gardner is a sick man who deserves to spend every waking day in prison.
It disturbs me that he was granted bond especially after the nature of the testimony that was presented by three brave young girls.
I don't know how people who defend him or would testify as "Character Witnesses" can sleep at night if they know what was testified to in that courtroom. Gardner is a sick man who deserves to spend every waking day in prison.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
sample
()
Date: July 16, 2014 09:27AM
It makes me feel good to hear all you no life people cry.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FFXU Translator
()
Date: July 16, 2014 09:42AM
sample Wrote:
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> It makes me feel good to hear all you no life
> people cry.
TRANSLATION: I have no life and visit this thread to deliver insulting remarks to establish my existence as a troll.
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> It makes me feel good to hear all you no life
> people cry.
TRANSLATION: I have no life and visit this thread to deliver insulting remarks to establish my existence as a troll.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Anonymous FC Neighbor
()
Date: July 20, 2014 08:00PM
There's never a happy ending to a child abuse story, but at least the father was able to get a little revenge on this scumbag.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/2014/07/18/alleged-molester-caught-in-the-act-by-childs-dad/index.html
Attachments:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/2014/07/18/alleged-molester-caught-in-the-act-by-childs-dad/index.html
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:49AM
^ Great pic! LOL
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wonderin
()
Date: September 05, 2014 09:19AM
Anybody seen the ChoMo around? Scared for the children!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: September 05, 2014 04:37PM
Anybody seen the ChoMo around? Scared for the children!
I'm scared for your spelling and grammar!
I'm scared for your spelling and grammar!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 01, 2014 10:46AM
He's been arrested again. Here's the City of Falls Church news release:
Police Arrest Resident for Felony Sexual Battery
Wednesday, October 1, 2014 -- City of Falls Church Police have arrested and charged Michael A. Gardner with one felony count of aggravated sexual battery of a child. He was taken to the Arlington County Adult Detention Center and will be held without bond pending his court appearance.
On September 29, 2014, the Arlington Circuit Court Grand Jury returned two indictments charging Gardner with Aggravated Sexual Battery of a Child, with offense dates spanning 2009. The victim in the case is a family member who was under 13 years of age at the time she was assaulted. The allegations came to light only after Gardner was released from prison after his conviction was overturned by the Virginia Supreme Court in a 2011 case involving two counts of Aggravated Sexual Battery and one count of Object Sexual Penetration. The victim in the most recent case related the incident to an individual who, by law, is a mandated reporter of child abuse allegations.
Police Arrest Resident for Felony Sexual Battery
Wednesday, October 1, 2014 -- City of Falls Church Police have arrested and charged Michael A. Gardner with one felony count of aggravated sexual battery of a child. He was taken to the Arlington County Adult Detention Center and will be held without bond pending his court appearance.
On September 29, 2014, the Arlington Circuit Court Grand Jury returned two indictments charging Gardner with Aggravated Sexual Battery of a Child, with offense dates spanning 2009. The victim in the case is a family member who was under 13 years of age at the time she was assaulted. The allegations came to light only after Gardner was released from prison after his conviction was overturned by the Virginia Supreme Court in a 2011 case involving two counts of Aggravated Sexual Battery and one count of Object Sexual Penetration. The victim in the most recent case related the incident to an individual who, by law, is a mandated reporter of child abuse allegations.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
slicehisballsoff
()
Date: October 01, 2014 11:23AM
Where are his defenders now????
Something tells me he may be pleading out this time.
So, Robin stood by him this whole time?
Something tells me he may be pleading out this time.
So, Robin stood by him this whole time?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Nostradamus
()
Date: October 01, 2014 11:54AM
I hope he enjoyed his temporary freedom.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
notsurprised
()
Date: October 01, 2014 12:21PM
Amazing.
Thank God he is off the streets.
I wonder how many more victims there are? Will there be bail?
Oh My!!!
Thank God he is off the streets.
I wonder how many more victims there are? Will there be bail?
Oh My!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 01, 2014 03:16PM
http://www.arlnow.com/2014/10/01/michael-gardner-charged-with-molestation-of-family-member/
This shouldn't make anyone feel good- glad he's locked back up but a read of the story tells you why and who the victim was. And how long the victim kept a secret.
Shaking my fucking head....
This shouldn't make anyone feel good- glad he's locked back up but a read of the story tells you why and who the victim was. And how long the victim kept a secret.
Shaking my fucking head....
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
G44DH
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:36PM
He should have never had his conviction overturned. Stupidest reason in the history of the VA Supreme Court: his neighbor didn't get to say "He's a good guy".
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
still a defense witness?
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:48PM
G44DH Wrote:
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> He should have never had his conviction
> overturned. Stupidest reason in the history of the
> VA Supreme Court: his neighbor didn't get to say
> "He's a good guy".
Wonder if the neighbor is still willing to take the stand to say he is a good guy....
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> He should have never had his conviction
> overturned. Stupidest reason in the history of the
> VA Supreme Court: his neighbor didn't get to say
> "He's a good guy".
Wonder if the neighbor is still willing to take the stand to say he is a good guy....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 01, 2014 08:02PM
Some interesting comments here:
http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested-again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/#comments
http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested-again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/#comments
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 01, 2014 09:04PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Editor's note
()
Date: October 01, 2014 09:42PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> The Old Man in FC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some interesting comments here:
> >
> >
> >
> http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested
>
> > -again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/#comments
>
> Ugh... The First Pedo Couple of the Gulch found a
> "home" in the Episcopal Church.
>
> It must be one of the super-inclusive and
> forgiving social gatherings filled with yupfuck
> trash and progtards.
>
> Bishop Pickering would roll over in his grave.
did you write this comment,Wingnut?
So, I guess he will not be writing articles for the FC Times any longer, attacking the parenting skills of other FC parents??
THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
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> The Old Man in FC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some interesting comments here:
> >
> >
> >
> http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested
>
> > -again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/#comments
>
> Ugh... The First Pedo Couple of the Gulch found a
> "home" in the Episcopal Church.
>
> It must be one of the super-inclusive and
> forgiving social gatherings filled with yupfuck
> trash and progtards.
>
> Bishop Pickering would roll over in his grave.
did you write this comment,Wingnut?
So, I guess he will not be writing articles for the FC Times any longer, attacking the parenting skills of other FC parents??
THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 01, 2014 09:57PM
@Editor's note- Gardner wrote "parenting skills" articles? I don't know whether to laugh or cry..
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Thinkng Out Loud
()
Date: October 02, 2014 10:06AM
Likely chain of events:
1. The girl, then 12, is abused in 2009. Pedophilia usually begins at home, so it's no surprise that Gardner apparently first assaulted a family member before going after the girls at the slumber party.
2. The girl kept silent, probably fearing no one would believe that a respected vestryman like "Uncle Mike" would do such a thing.
3. She must have had very mixed emotions when Gardner was arrested in 2011 and convicted in 2012. On the one hand she would have been pleased that justice finally had been done. On the other, she must have felt that had she come forward earlier the other girls never would have been abused.
4. Her feelings of guilt must have intensified when Gardner was released after his conviction was overturned in June.
5. The thought that the other girls would have to endure a second trial must have weighed heavily on her.
6. She apparently told her therapist that Gardner had abused her two years before the slumber party incident.
7. The therapist then was legally obligated to notify FCCP and did so.
8. Gardner now is back in the cozy confines of the ACDC.
9. He has retained an attorney other than his counsel in the original case. The lawyer has the unfortunate name of Liebig, something his client seems to do quite well.
1. The girl, then 12, is abused in 2009. Pedophilia usually begins at home, so it's no surprise that Gardner apparently first assaulted a family member before going after the girls at the slumber party.
2. The girl kept silent, probably fearing no one would believe that a respected vestryman like "Uncle Mike" would do such a thing.
3. She must have had very mixed emotions when Gardner was arrested in 2011 and convicted in 2012. On the one hand she would have been pleased that justice finally had been done. On the other, she must have felt that had she come forward earlier the other girls never would have been abused.
4. Her feelings of guilt must have intensified when Gardner was released after his conviction was overturned in June.
5. The thought that the other girls would have to endure a second trial must have weighed heavily on her.
6. She apparently told her therapist that Gardner had abused her two years before the slumber party incident.
7. The therapist then was legally obligated to notify FCCP and did so.
8. Gardner now is back in the cozy confines of the ACDC.
9. He has retained an attorney other than his counsel in the original case. The lawyer has the unfortunate name of Liebig, something his client seems to do quite well.
THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: October 02, 2014 10:51AM
ROFLMAO @ that one
http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested-again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/
stay classy, FC Times.............stay classy ;)
pic unrelated
Attachments:
http://fallschurchtimes.com/43128/gardner-arrested-again-on-new-sexual-battery-charge/
stay classy, FC Times.............stay classy ;)
pic unrelated
Attachments:
Re: THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by:
Falls Church has two papers
()
Date: October 02, 2014 11:15AM
Falls Church Times is an online newspaper different from the Falls Church News-Press. The editor of the FC Times website wanted to clarify that.
Michael Gardner did write for the Falls Church News-Press and is friends with the owner and editor Nicholas F. Benton. Benton is a follower of the personality cult of Lyndon LaRouche and a gay activist. The FCNP employed the decrepit Helen Thomas after she forced to resign from AP after anti-Semitic remarks.
Michael Gardner did write for the Falls Church News-Press and is friends with the owner and editor Nicholas F. Benton. Benton is a follower of the personality cult of Lyndon LaRouche and a gay activist. The FCNP employed the decrepit Helen Thomas after she forced to resign from AP after anti-Semitic remarks.
Re: THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: October 02, 2014 11:23AM
Falls Church has two papers Wrote:
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> Falls Church Times is an online newspaper
> different from the Falls Church News-Press. The
> editor of the FC Times website wanted to clarify
> that.
>
> Michael Gardner did write for the Falls Church
> News-Press and is friends with the owner and
> editor Nicholas F. Benton. Benton is a follower of
> the personality cult of Lyndon LaRouche and a gay
> activist. The FCNP employed the decrepit Helen
> Thomas after she forced to resign from AP after
> anti-Semitic remarks.
I dig it.
FC Times editor should redo the response if that's the case, though. Threatening the commenter the way he/she did looks pathetic - sorry to use that word, but it does.
If they can edit the response, they could simply put a clarification - heck, they can copy and paste the one you just gave me LoLz
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> Falls Church Times is an online newspaper
> different from the Falls Church News-Press. The
> editor of the FC Times website wanted to clarify
> that.
>
> Michael Gardner did write for the Falls Church
> News-Press and is friends with the owner and
> editor Nicholas F. Benton. Benton is a follower of
> the personality cult of Lyndon LaRouche and a gay
> activist. The FCNP employed the decrepit Helen
> Thomas after she forced to resign from AP after
> anti-Semitic remarks.
I dig it.
FC Times editor should redo the response if that's the case, though. Threatening the commenter the way he/she did looks pathetic - sorry to use that word, but it does.
If they can edit the response, they could simply put a clarification - heck, they can copy and paste the one you just gave me LoLz
Re: THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by:
Bond Hearing This Morning
()
Date: October 02, 2014 01:38PM
Denied.
Re: THE EDITORS RESPOND: Mr. Gardner never wrote for the Falls Church Times. Please retract this false comment, or your comment will be deleted.
Posted by:
horrifying individual
()
Date: October 02, 2014 03:00PM
Bond Hearing This Morning Wrote:
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> Denied.
Apparently he violated his previous bond by travelling out of state.
"Authorities said Gardner visited the 2009 victim in August after his release from prison. After the visit, the girl reported the past abuse to her therapist, who then called authorities, they said."
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bond-Denied-for-Former-Democratic-Official-Michael-Gardner-on-Sex-Abuse-Charge-277889151.html
This guy is a menace. Will the previous character witness still back him? Does his wife still back him?
Bets on whether he cops to a plea on both cases.
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> Denied.
Apparently he violated his previous bond by travelling out of state.
"Authorities said Gardner visited the 2009 victim in August after his release from prison. After the visit, the girl reported the past abuse to her therapist, who then called authorities, they said."
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bond-Denied-for-Former-Democratic-Official-Michael-Gardner-on-Sex-Abuse-Charge-277889151.html
This guy is a menace. Will the previous character witness still back him? Does his wife still back him?
Bets on whether he cops to a plea on both cases.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 02, 2014 04:46PM
Gardner denied bond, declared flight risk:
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/10/former-democratic-party-official-michael-gardner-of-falls-church-re-arrested-on-new-child-molestatio.html
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/10/former-democratic-party-official-michael-gardner-of-falls-church-re-arrested-on-new-child-molestatio.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingedNut
()
Date: October 02, 2014 06:16PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> @Editor's note- Gardner wrote "parenting skills"
> articles? I don't know whether to laugh or cry..
Misinformation is Wingnut's SOP.
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> @Editor's note- Gardner wrote "parenting skills"
> articles? I don't know whether to laugh or cry..
Misinformation is Wingnut's SOP.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Unbelievable
()
Date: October 02, 2014 08:51PM
"Are you still standing by your husband?"
Former Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner would not answer the question, but her husbands attorney did.
"Yes she is".
http://www.wusa9.com/media/cinematic/video/16604715/judge-denies-michael-gardner-bond/
Former Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner would not answer the question, but her husbands attorney did.
"Yes she is".
http://www.wusa9.com/media/cinematic/video/16604715/judge-denies-michael-gardner-bond/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Have to ask this
()
Date: October 03, 2014 09:59AM
Michael Gardner is said to be 50, is that correct?
Is he from Falls Church or did he live somewhere else before moving here?
The reason I ask is because I am sure he was too young to have anything to do with the Lyon girls disappearance in 1975 but I think these fit the age range of his victims.
If he was driving age at the time of their disappearance or if he lived in the area, I think he should be questioned at the least.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Lyon-Sisters-Police-Speak-About-Search-on-Va-Property-Once-Owned-by-Family-of-Person-of-Interest-277927391.html
Is he from Falls Church or did he live somewhere else before moving here?
The reason I ask is because I am sure he was too young to have anything to do with the Lyon girls disappearance in 1975 but I think these fit the age range of his victims.
If he was driving age at the time of their disappearance or if he lived in the area, I think he should be questioned at the least.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Lyon-Sisters-Police-Speak-About-Search-on-Va-Property-Once-Owned-by-Family-of-Person-of-Interest-277927391.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 03, 2014 11:29AM
He may look older but I can assure you he is 50. He would have been no more than 10 years old when the Lyon sisters disappeared.
I believe he went to HS and college in this area but was in California prior to that.
I believe he went to HS and college in this area but was in California prior to that.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WonderWhy
()
Date: October 03, 2014 02:04PM
Anybody know more about this mysterious trip Gardner took "alone" to the Outer Banks last week? Apparently the reason bond was revoked in the first case.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: October 05, 2014 08:00AM
WonderWhy Wrote:
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> Anybody know more about this mysterious trip
> Gardner took "alone" to the Outer Banks last week?
> Apparently the reason bond was revoked in the
> first case.
Where did you read that?
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> Anybody know more about this mysterious trip
> Gardner took "alone" to the Outer Banks last week?
> Apparently the reason bond was revoked in the
> first case.
Where did you read that?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 05, 2014 09:16AM
See third paragraph of this story. The reporter mentions the Outer Banks in the video. Another source may have reported that he traveled alone.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bond-Denied-for-Former-Democratic-Official-Michael-Gardner-on-Sex-Abuse-Charge-277889151.html
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bond-Denied-for-Former-Democratic-Official-Michael-Gardner-on-Sex-Abuse-Charge-277889151.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 06, 2014 08:14PM
According to the Arlington Court's website Gardner's trial on two counts of aggravated sexual battery will begin on Monday, January 12, 2015. The trial is expected to last four days.
The retrial of the 2011 case is still set for February 5.
The retrial of the 2011 case is still set for February 5.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
protectthekids
()
Date: October 07, 2014 01:42AM
The new case?
It was his daughter!
She held it in for years.
Sick fucker.
Get out Robin!!!
It was his daughter!
She held it in for years.
Sick fucker.
Get out Robin!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: October 07, 2014 05:21AM
I don't think it was his daughter. The report said she was visiting in the home at Thanksgiving.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 07, 2014 08:52AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 07, 2014 09:31AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Yes But
()
Date: October 07, 2014 01:20PM
Every instinct in my body agrees that you'd have to be pretty sick to support someone who commits (or even thinks about committing) even one of the crimes that Gardner is accused of committing. I cannot imagine how his wife is able to stand by him, unless for some reason she is 100 percent certain that he did not do it. But how could ANYONE be 100 percent certain of that, especially after yet another victim - a family member, no less, has come forward.
The only thing that gives me ANY pause is when I think of what I (or any of the posters here) would do if I was (or they were) FALSELY accused of such an act. If you were falsely accused, how could you handle that? How WOULD you handle it?
That being said, the fact that another child victim has come forward alleging (apparently) that Gardner abused her on a totally different occasion makes it HIGHLY unlikely that Gardner is innocent.
My prayers go out to the victims, and I hope Gardner gets what he deserves this time.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2014 01:22PM by Yes But.
The only thing that gives me ANY pause is when I think of what I (or any of the posters here) would do if I was (or they were) FALSELY accused of such an act. If you were falsely accused, how could you handle that? How WOULD you handle it?
That being said, the fact that another child victim has come forward alleging (apparently) that Gardner abused her on a totally different occasion makes it HIGHLY unlikely that Gardner is innocent.
My prayers go out to the victims, and I hope Gardner gets what he deserves this time.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2014 01:22PM by Yes But.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 07, 2014 01:51PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 07, 2014 02:16PM
Yes But Wrote:
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>
> The only thing that gives me ANY pause is when I
> think of what I (or any of the posters here) would
> do if I was (or they were) FALSELY accused of such
> an act. If you were falsely accused, how could
> you handle that? How WOULD you handle it?
If you want a general idea of how it feels, watch Hitchcock's "The Wrong Man." Henry Fonda plays the man.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051207/
The movie turns up on TCM roughly once a year. Interesting, though not a typical Hitchcock film.
I have no doubt that Mr. Gardner is the RIGHT man.
As for Robin, at this point I don't see how she has any course but to stamd by him to the end, whether she believes in him or not. She's almost as much on trial as he is.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> The only thing that gives me ANY pause is when I
> think of what I (or any of the posters here) would
> do if I was (or they were) FALSELY accused of such
> an act. If you were falsely accused, how could
> you handle that? How WOULD you handle it?
If you want a general idea of how it feels, watch Hitchcock's "The Wrong Man." Henry Fonda plays the man.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051207/
The movie turns up on TCM roughly once a year. Interesting, though not a typical Hitchcock film.
I have no doubt that Mr. Gardner is the RIGHT man.
As for Robin, at this point I don't see how she has any course but to stamd by him to the end, whether she believes in him or not. She's almost as much on trial as he is.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Col. Mosby
()
Date: October 07, 2014 08:53PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> I'm glad to hear this piece of trash is locked
> back up but I am really very sorry to hear there
> was another victim of his perversions. The only
> positive (besides his return to custody) is that
> the other victim is able to face her accuser and
> any issues she undoubtedly had due to this sick
> freak.
>
> Besides the obvious and primary person of shame,
> it is absolutely disgusting that anyone in Falls
> Church would still support the molester over the
> preteen girls he victimized.
>
> Robin Gardner
> Nick Benton of the FCNP
> Members of the Falls Church Episcopal Church
> The 60 Petition Signers/Supporters
>
> You are sickening people. To think you are members
> of the Falls Church community is frightening- your
> stupidity should scare anyone.
The conservative Episcopalians were run out of the church and had to relocate thanks to the Supreme Court and the good citizens of Falls Church. This is cancer you get in return.
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> I'm glad to hear this piece of trash is locked
> back up but I am really very sorry to hear there
> was another victim of his perversions. The only
> positive (besides his return to custody) is that
> the other victim is able to face her accuser and
> any issues she undoubtedly had due to this sick
> freak.
>
> Besides the obvious and primary person of shame,
> it is absolutely disgusting that anyone in Falls
> Church would still support the molester over the
> preteen girls he victimized.
>
> Robin Gardner
> Nick Benton of the FCNP
> Members of the Falls Church Episcopal Church
> The 60 Petition Signers/Supporters
>
> You are sickening people. To think you are members
> of the Falls Church community is frightening- your
> stupidity should scare anyone.
The conservative Episcopalians were run out of the church and had to relocate thanks to the Supreme Court and the good citizens of Falls Church. This is cancer you get in return.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wishitwerentso
()
Date: October 07, 2014 11:53PM
Daughter
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sick of this stuff
()
Date: October 08, 2014 03:21AM
22046 Wrote:
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> I don't think it was his daughter. The report said
> she was visiting in the home at Thanksgiving.
Agreed.
If he also sexually abused his daughters the mother would have quashed those rumors and stories by repeatedly telling them to shut up, they were wrong or were only dreaming the whole thing. Nothing must be said to shatter the distorted vision of reality in her mind.
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> I don't think it was his daughter. The report said
> she was visiting in the home at Thanksgiving.
Agreed.
If he also sexually abused his daughters the mother would have quashed those rumors and stories by repeatedly telling them to shut up, they were wrong or were only dreaming the whole thing. Nothing must be said to shatter the distorted vision of reality in her mind.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 09, 2014 08:24AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
observations
()
Date: October 09, 2014 07:25PM
This guy in his over the top and vitriolic political rants displayed a narcissistic streak a mile deep with little concern for boundaries.
So no surprise we find the defendant (and apparently his spouse) in an incredibly defiant stance, now facing two sets of charges, the latter involving a family member no less.
I am not suggesting that people with aggressive political views of any kind are inclined to commit the kinds of alleged acts ascribed to Gardner. It is just the events and allegations do not surprise.
The only rational and honorable thing for Gardner to do is to reach some sort of plea agreement. Otherwise, he will drag three young women through yet another trial, and worse yet, a relative in a separate trial. The latter trial could make any semblance of family life for those around him - and note I use the word semblance - impossible for years. He will get a better deal, too. At some point the narcissism has to stop. It may not, however.
The reality here is that sex offenders are very reviled, both in and out of a correctional setting. The second set of charges have underscored this reality to an ever larger group of people.
Although perhaps harsh, it is really difficult to be sympathetic to Gardner's spouse. Kids were in harm's way, and she likely was the closest adult to the situation (not a legal statement, but a practical one).
So no surprise we find the defendant (and apparently his spouse) in an incredibly defiant stance, now facing two sets of charges, the latter involving a family member no less.
I am not suggesting that people with aggressive political views of any kind are inclined to commit the kinds of alleged acts ascribed to Gardner. It is just the events and allegations do not surprise.
The only rational and honorable thing for Gardner to do is to reach some sort of plea agreement. Otherwise, he will drag three young women through yet another trial, and worse yet, a relative in a separate trial. The latter trial could make any semblance of family life for those around him - and note I use the word semblance - impossible for years. He will get a better deal, too. At some point the narcissism has to stop. It may not, however.
The reality here is that sex offenders are very reviled, both in and out of a correctional setting. The second set of charges have underscored this reality to an ever larger group of people.
Although perhaps harsh, it is really difficult to be sympathetic to Gardner's spouse. Kids were in harm's way, and she likely was the closest adult to the situation (not a legal statement, but a practical one).
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
JPL
()
Date: October 09, 2014 10:41PM
observations Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This guy in his over the top and vitriolic
> political rants displayed a narcissistic streak a
> mile deep with little concern for boundaries.
>
> So no surprise we find the defendant (and
> apparently his spouse) in an incredibly defiant
> stance, now facing two sets of charges, the latter
> involving a family member no less.
>
> I am not suggesting that people with aggressive
> political views of any kind are inclined to commit
> the kinds of alleged acts ascribed to Gardner. It
> is just the events and allegations do not
> surprise.
>
> The only rational and honorable thing for Gardner
> to do is to reach some sort of plea agreement.
> Otherwise, he will drag three young women through
> yet another trial, and worse yet, a relative in a
> separate trial. The latter trial could make any
> semblance of family life for those around him -
> and note I use the word semblance - impossible for
> years. He will get a better deal, too. At some
> point the narcissism has to stop. It may not,
> however.
>
> The reality here is that sex offenders are very
> reviled, both in and out of a correctional
> setting. The second set of charges have
> underscored this reality to an ever larger group
> of people.
>
> Although perhaps harsh, it is really difficult to
> be sympathetic to Gardner's spouse. Kids were in
> harm's way, and she likely was the closest adult
> to the situation (not a legal statement, but a
> practical one).
Good post, I hope his family reads it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This guy in his over the top and vitriolic
> political rants displayed a narcissistic streak a
> mile deep with little concern for boundaries.
>
> So no surprise we find the defendant (and
> apparently his spouse) in an incredibly defiant
> stance, now facing two sets of charges, the latter
> involving a family member no less.
>
> I am not suggesting that people with aggressive
> political views of any kind are inclined to commit
> the kinds of alleged acts ascribed to Gardner. It
> is just the events and allegations do not
> surprise.
>
> The only rational and honorable thing for Gardner
> to do is to reach some sort of plea agreement.
> Otherwise, he will drag three young women through
> yet another trial, and worse yet, a relative in a
> separate trial. The latter trial could make any
> semblance of family life for those around him -
> and note I use the word semblance - impossible for
> years. He will get a better deal, too. At some
> point the narcissism has to stop. It may not,
> however.
>
> The reality here is that sex offenders are very
> reviled, both in and out of a correctional
> setting. The second set of charges have
> underscored this reality to an ever larger group
> of people.
>
> Although perhaps harsh, it is really difficult to
> be sympathetic to Gardner's spouse. Kids were in
> harm's way, and she likely was the closest adult
> to the situation (not a legal statement, but a
> practical one).
Good post, I hope his family reads it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
RdFox
()
Date: October 10, 2014 09:45AM
Who knows for sure if the guy is guilty?
For all we know he could be a member of NAMBLA or Kloman might have frequented his residence as a democrat supporter and gained access to the girls.
For all we know he could be a member of NAMBLA or Kloman might have frequented his residence as a democrat supporter and gained access to the girls.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
observer again
()
Date: October 10, 2014 11:21AM
RdFox - I think the question of his culpability is settled, which is different than the legal adjudication of guilt. The jury reached a fair conclusion on the facts, and unlike most defendants, Gardner had excellent trial counsel with every opportunity to show that the elements of the charges did not meet a guilt beyond a reasonable doubt standard. The appellate decision setting aside his conviction was strange to me, especially in Virginia. Even if one concedes that two character witnesses should have been permitted to testify as to Garnder's conduct around children, it strikes me that this kind of error was harmless in the context of the entire case. But again from a practical perspective I think culpability has been established - no doubt a huge challenge for the defendant in a new trial.
The alleged acts against a family member (and new charges) bring the pressure on Gardner to an unfathomable level, beyond the incredible resources required to mount a defense in not one, but two, high profile trials. People think diferrently about the defendant now, even those already persuaded of his guilt. And mounting these two defenses from jail is also really difficult (I can't see bail forthcoming). This is why I believe we will soon see a confirmation of culpability (a non-legal conclusion), and thereafter at some point an adjudication of guilt.
Note there is no exaltation in anyone's misery, all the way around. But it looks like the actors and supporters on the defendant's side would find it salutary to focus on the hard, practical, and difficult facts which have emerged.
I leave open the possibility I could be wrong about all of this. The facts that seem verifiable do not point in that direction, however. The real rub for those who have supported the defendant is that the victims are innocent children, and acknowledging error like this doesn't come easily.
The alleged acts against a family member (and new charges) bring the pressure on Gardner to an unfathomable level, beyond the incredible resources required to mount a defense in not one, but two, high profile trials. People think diferrently about the defendant now, even those already persuaded of his guilt. And mounting these two defenses from jail is also really difficult (I can't see bail forthcoming). This is why I believe we will soon see a confirmation of culpability (a non-legal conclusion), and thereafter at some point an adjudication of guilt.
Note there is no exaltation in anyone's misery, all the way around. But it looks like the actors and supporters on the defendant's side would find it salutary to focus on the hard, practical, and difficult facts which have emerged.
I leave open the possibility I could be wrong about all of this. The facts that seem verifiable do not point in that direction, however. The real rub for those who have supported the defendant is that the victims are innocent children, and acknowledging error like this doesn't come easily.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 10, 2014 03:10PM
observer again Wrote:
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> Note there is no exaltation in anyone's misery,
> all the way around. But it looks like the actors
> and supporters on the defendant's side would find
> it salutary to focus on the hard, practical, and
> difficult facts which have emerged.
>
> I leave open the possibility I could be wrong
> about all of this. The facts that seem verifiable
> do not point in that direction, however. The real
> rub for those who have supported the defendant is
> that the victims are innocent children, and
> acknowledging error like this doesn't come easily.
For some insight into the minds of Gardner's supporters I offer the following letter, published only in the print edition of the Falls Church News-Press on April 11, 2013. This was written after Gardner's trial, but before his conviction was reversed. Only the author's name has been omitted.
Editor,
I write to question assumptions and actions of the police department, the prosecutors and the court who found Michael Gardner guilty of molesting two underage girls.at his home during his daughter's slumber party in June 2011. I have found myself deeply troubled with questions that for me were not adequately answered.
For purposes of disclosure, I know Michael well. I have been a guest in his home on numerous occasions and I served with him on the Vestry of the Falls Church Episcopal. I have not been asked by his family or his attorney to write, nor have I shared these questions with them. I write as one keenly aware that our justice system wrongly imprisons many innocent persons.
There is no clear evidence of Michael's innocence or guilt, other than the testimony of these two 10-year-old girls. They spent that night in a lower-level den with eight other girls and none of the others saw or heard anything related to these charges. Why?
Why was Michael never accused of sexual misconduct at any other time? Child molesters are almost always serial molesters.
Why did the Falls Church police come to the home of Michael and Robin in the middle of the night, bang on the door, shout "open up for the police" and with bravado place him in handcuffs and carry him away? Michael and Robin, who was on the City Council at the time, are leading citizens, and, I believe, outstanding Christians. They are not going to escape. What is going on?
Why did city police publish a story that sperm had been found in one girl's pajamas, with the clear implication that this convicted Michael, befofre analysis was done to determine the source of the sperm? Later it was found that the sperm was not from Michael, but from the girl's father.
Why did the Chief of Police instruct the Department of Protective Services not to investigate this evidence?
Why were the two girls so carefully instructed and trained for their court testimony? The girls met with two prosecuting attorneys a dozen times for instruction before the trial.
Why did the Chief of Police announce that this conviction was the biggest achievement of his years in office? Why did he gives plaques of appreciation which cost $200 to the prosecutors and their witnesses? Is this customary?
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> Note there is no exaltation in anyone's misery,
> all the way around. But it looks like the actors
> and supporters on the defendant's side would find
> it salutary to focus on the hard, practical, and
> difficult facts which have emerged.
>
> I leave open the possibility I could be wrong
> about all of this. The facts that seem verifiable
> do not point in that direction, however. The real
> rub for those who have supported the defendant is
> that the victims are innocent children, and
> acknowledging error like this doesn't come easily.
For some insight into the minds of Gardner's supporters I offer the following letter, published only in the print edition of the Falls Church News-Press on April 11, 2013. This was written after Gardner's trial, but before his conviction was reversed. Only the author's name has been omitted.
Editor,
I write to question assumptions and actions of the police department, the prosecutors and the court who found Michael Gardner guilty of molesting two underage girls.at his home during his daughter's slumber party in June 2011. I have found myself deeply troubled with questions that for me were not adequately answered.
For purposes of disclosure, I know Michael well. I have been a guest in his home on numerous occasions and I served with him on the Vestry of the Falls Church Episcopal. I have not been asked by his family or his attorney to write, nor have I shared these questions with them. I write as one keenly aware that our justice system wrongly imprisons many innocent persons.
There is no clear evidence of Michael's innocence or guilt, other than the testimony of these two 10-year-old girls. They spent that night in a lower-level den with eight other girls and none of the others saw or heard anything related to these charges. Why?
Why was Michael never accused of sexual misconduct at any other time? Child molesters are almost always serial molesters.
Why did the Falls Church police come to the home of Michael and Robin in the middle of the night, bang on the door, shout "open up for the police" and with bravado place him in handcuffs and carry him away? Michael and Robin, who was on the City Council at the time, are leading citizens, and, I believe, outstanding Christians. They are not going to escape. What is going on?
Why did city police publish a story that sperm had been found in one girl's pajamas, with the clear implication that this convicted Michael, befofre analysis was done to determine the source of the sperm? Later it was found that the sperm was not from Michael, but from the girl's father.
Why did the Chief of Police instruct the Department of Protective Services not to investigate this evidence?
Why were the two girls so carefully instructed and trained for their court testimony? The girls met with two prosecuting attorneys a dozen times for instruction before the trial.
Why did the Chief of Police announce that this conviction was the biggest achievement of his years in office? Why did he gives plaques of appreciation which cost $200 to the prosecutors and their witnesses? Is this customary?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Col Mosby
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Date: October 11, 2014 08:57AM
Too bad the old hangman tree's gone.
Attachments:
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FC Observer
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Date: October 11, 2014 06:18PM
Thanks for posting the Letter to the Editor of the FCNP from April, 2013. The perspective is intriguing, particularly in light of the fact that so much of the information is so incorrect as to be laughable. I'm sure all of the letters sent to the judge pleading for mercy prior to sentencing were even more interesting. I wonder when we'll get to see those!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Concerned One
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Date: October 11, 2014 06:36PM
Is there any way to have Mrs. Gardner removed from our community as an accessory to the multiple crimes? She had to know her creepy husband was molesting little girls.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Rastus
()
Date: October 12, 2014 02:57PM
Is there any way to have Mrs. Gardner removed from our community as an accessory to the multiple crimes? She had to know her creepy husband was molesting little girls.
Can we get rid of you, too? You're the creepy one.
Can we get rid of you, too? You're the creepy one.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 12, 2014 09:02PM
FC Observer Wrote:
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> Thanks for posting the Letter to the Editor of the
> FCNP from April, 2013. The perspective is
> intriguing, particularly in light of the fact that
> so much of the information is so incorrect as to
> be laughable. I'm sure all of the letters sent to
> the judge pleading for mercy prior to sentencing
> were even more interesting. I wonder when we'll
> get to see those!
The supporters' letters, which the defense presumably submitted as exhibits, might be available as an appendix to the trial transcript.
Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the LTE posted above is how it suggests that Gardner was the real victim. The letters offered to the Court in his defense probably were more tactful.
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> Thanks for posting the Letter to the Editor of the
> FCNP from April, 2013. The perspective is
> intriguing, particularly in light of the fact that
> so much of the information is so incorrect as to
> be laughable. I'm sure all of the letters sent to
> the judge pleading for mercy prior to sentencing
> were even more interesting. I wonder when we'll
> get to see those!
The supporters' letters, which the defense presumably submitted as exhibits, might be available as an appendix to the trial transcript.
Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the LTE posted above is how it suggests that Gardner was the real victim. The letters offered to the Court in his defense probably were more tactful.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
RdFox
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Date: October 12, 2014 11:45PM
To "observer again",
I actually agree fully that his guilt has been fully established.
I was trying to be funny. Remember not long ago Kloman from Potomac school in Mclean was arrested for about the same thing and got like 22years. They had him nailed with credible witnesses to the point he couldn't deny the charges.
To understand one must go back 7 or 8 posts
I actually agree fully that his guilt has been fully established.
I was trying to be funny. Remember not long ago Kloman from Potomac school in Mclean was arrested for about the same thing and got like 22years. They had him nailed with credible witnesses to the point he couldn't deny the charges.
To understand one must go back 7 or 8 posts
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Not a good thing to joke about
()
Date: October 13, 2014 02:30PM
RdFox Wrote:
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> To "observer again",
>
> I actually agree fully that his
> guilt has been fully established.
> I was trying to be funny. Remember not long ago
> Kloman from Potomac school in Mclean was arrested
> for about the same thing and got like 22years.
> They had him nailed with credible witnesses to the
> point he couldn't deny the charges.
>
> To understand one must go back 7 or 8 posts
Not a laughing matter.
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> To "observer again",
>
> I actually agree fully that his
> guilt has been fully established.
> I was trying to be funny. Remember not long ago
> Kloman from Potomac school in Mclean was arrested
> for about the same thing and got like 22years.
> They had him nailed with credible witnesses to the
> point he couldn't deny the charges.
>
> To understand one must go back 7 or 8 posts
Not a laughing matter.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
RdFox
()
Date: October 13, 2014 02:40PM
To "not a good thing to joke about" I say "aren't you the politically correct, righteous, and sensitive one".
The point was that Kloman gaining access to the little girls through Gardner was just as ridiculous as Gardner having his case overturned.
Let's Chant "fry Gardner-fry Gardner-fry Gardner....
The point was that Kloman gaining access to the little girls through Gardner was just as ridiculous as Gardner having his case overturned.
Let's Chant "fry Gardner-fry Gardner-fry Gardner....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Regret
()
Date: October 13, 2014 11:52PM
The Old Man in FC Wrote:
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> observer again Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> Why was Michael never accused of sexual misconduct
> at any other time? Child molesters are almost
> always serial molesters.
>
Oops.
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> observer again Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> Why was Michael never accused of sexual misconduct
> at any other time? Child molesters are almost
> always serial molesters.
>
Oops.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
to old man in fc
()
Date: October 14, 2014 12:32AM
mike is as christian as aleister crowley. it is fine that he fooled you, he fooled many. i know him outside of church and fine christian is not something anyone outside of his closest friends or church buddies would call him. he is going to the big house and he is going to get passed around like a peace pipe at a powwow. he and his pals better get used to facts because the predators in the clink are gonna come after him harder than fairfax county came after the fcc water system.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: October 14, 2014 08:48AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 14, 2014 09:20PM
to old man in fc Wrote:
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> mike is as christian as aleister crowley. it is
> fine that he fooled you, he fooled many. i know
> him outside of church and fine christian is not
> something anyone outside of his closest friends or
> church buddies would call him. he is going to the
> big house and he is going to get passed around
> like a peace pipe at a powwow. he and his pals
> better get used to facts because the predators in
> the clink are gonna come after him harder than
> fairfax county came after the fcc water system.
He fooled the person who wrote the LTE that I posted. He didn't fool me. I have never met him but his blog and his colunn revealed him as a liar and a bully. Unfortunately, many people in Falls Church simply could not see him for what he was.
Another LTE to the News-Press suggested that Gardner was the victim of a witch hunt because of his political views. Incredible, but there actually were those who believed that several parents would put their daughters through hell in order to destroy him and, by estension, Robin's political career.
I expect Gardner still has a few people in his corner, thuogh some may be there more for Robin than for him.
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> mike is as christian as aleister crowley. it is
> fine that he fooled you, he fooled many. i know
> him outside of church and fine christian is not
> something anyone outside of his closest friends or
> church buddies would call him. he is going to the
> big house and he is going to get passed around
> like a peace pipe at a powwow. he and his pals
> better get used to facts because the predators in
> the clink are gonna come after him harder than
> fairfax county came after the fcc water system.
He fooled the person who wrote the LTE that I posted. He didn't fool me. I have never met him but his blog and his colunn revealed him as a liar and a bully. Unfortunately, many people in Falls Church simply could not see him for what he was.
Another LTE to the News-Press suggested that Gardner was the victim of a witch hunt because of his political views. Incredible, but there actually were those who believed that several parents would put their daughters through hell in order to destroy him and, by estension, Robin's political career.
I expect Gardner still has a few people in his corner, thuogh some may be there more for Robin than for him.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: November 18, 2014 09:41AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
et?
et?
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Doyle Hanes
()
Date: November 18, 2014 10:50AM
What a surprise...Wingnut bringing up this thread...again...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: November 18, 2014 01:37PM
She won't divorce him unless he's convicted, perhaps not even then.
Trial on the latest charges is set for January 12. The retrial of the first case will be in February.
Trial on the latest charges is set for January 12. The retrial of the first case will be in February.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
3Yw6d
()
Date: November 18, 2014 10:04PM
Is this the liberal idiot who had a column in the free Falls Church Paper? If so, fits the profile of an ivory tower liberal idealist to a tee. What a sick misguided idiot. Can't say I'm shocked if it's the guys column I read as he was absolutely clueless. Shame anyone trusted kids around him! So sad for them.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bloggert
()
Date: November 18, 2014 10:10PM
He was too busy blaming radical Puritan Republicans all the time to look in the mirror. Who was right? Republicans were! Typical liberal, free sex with everyone and welfare too! See where that liberal mentality gets us? Gets us this sickening stuff.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: November 20, 2014 02:33PM
3Yw6d Wrote:
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> Is this the liberal idiot who had a column in the
> free Falls Church Paper?
He wrote the newspaper column from mid-2010 to June 2011. The column closed after his first arrest. Prior to that he had a blog called Blueweeds for several years.
Gardner discusses the blog in this 2009 story. Occasionally other citizens posted there as well:
http://fcnp.com/2009/01/22/falls-church-citizens-take-civic-engagement-online/
The curious may view Blueweeds here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100707220908/http://blueweeds.typepad.com/blue_weeds/archives.html
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> Is this the liberal idiot who had a column in the
> free Falls Church Paper?
He wrote the newspaper column from mid-2010 to June 2011. The column closed after his first arrest. Prior to that he had a blog called Blueweeds for several years.
Gardner discusses the blog in this 2009 story. Occasionally other citizens posted there as well:
http://fcnp.com/2009/01/22/falls-church-citizens-take-civic-engagement-online/
The curious may view Blueweeds here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100707220908/http://blueweeds.typepad.com/blue_weeds/archives.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
watchingyou
()
Date: December 17, 2014 12:44PM
Robin is such an idiot. Thanks for helping put Mikey away!!
Gardner was arrested again, after a 17-year-old family relative accused him of molesting her when she was 12-years-old.
The alleged incident happened at the Gardner's Falls Church home on Thanksgiving weekend in 2009.
Gardner's wife, former Falls Church Mayor and Councilwoman Robin Gardner, who has continuously backed her husband, now appears to believe the 17-year-old relative.
In court documents, prosecutors outline a September phone call between Robin Gardner and the 17-year-old girl's father that he secretly recorded.
Robin Gardner is quoted as saying that her husband is, "not refuting that something has happened."
The father says, "It happened partially up in your room."
Mrs. Gardner affirms, "Mmm hmm."
The father says what happened is "along the same lines of what those other girls had talked about." Two incidents in which "he put his hand down her pants and touched her genitals," the father says.
Robin Gardner says "Michael is innocent of those other charges but I am not saying the same with (your daughter.)"
The father tells Robin Gardner that if Michael Gardner is charged, his lawyers will rip his daughter apart and he says "You're going to pay them to do that."
Robin Gardner insists that that's not going to happen and appears to ask the father to wait for the first case to be retried rather than go to police, and then settle the matter afterwards, differently.
"I kind of wanted to let this current thing play out and then if (your daughter) wants to bring Michael up on charges and you know, do it afterwards and it would be settled differently...Don't think that our family money is going to defend Michael against (your daughter) because that is not going to happen."
Prosecutors are claiming that Robin Gardner was acting as her husband's agent, offering to her relative an alternative to cooperating with the police.
This is a motion for admission of defendant's statements. The motions hearing is scheduled for Thursday. Defense attorneys will fight to keep this information out of the trial.
Gardner was arrested again, after a 17-year-old family relative accused him of molesting her when she was 12-years-old.
The alleged incident happened at the Gardner's Falls Church home on Thanksgiving weekend in 2009.
Gardner's wife, former Falls Church Mayor and Councilwoman Robin Gardner, who has continuously backed her husband, now appears to believe the 17-year-old relative.
In court documents, prosecutors outline a September phone call between Robin Gardner and the 17-year-old girl's father that he secretly recorded.
Robin Gardner is quoted as saying that her husband is, "not refuting that something has happened."
The father says, "It happened partially up in your room."
Mrs. Gardner affirms, "Mmm hmm."
The father says what happened is "along the same lines of what those other girls had talked about." Two incidents in which "he put his hand down her pants and touched her genitals," the father says.
Robin Gardner says "Michael is innocent of those other charges but I am not saying the same with (your daughter.)"
The father tells Robin Gardner that if Michael Gardner is charged, his lawyers will rip his daughter apart and he says "You're going to pay them to do that."
Robin Gardner insists that that's not going to happen and appears to ask the father to wait for the first case to be retried rather than go to police, and then settle the matter afterwards, differently.
"I kind of wanted to let this current thing play out and then if (your daughter) wants to bring Michael up on charges and you know, do it afterwards and it would be settled differently...Don't think that our family money is going to defend Michael against (your daughter) because that is not going to happen."
Prosecutors are claiming that Robin Gardner was acting as her husband's agent, offering to her relative an alternative to cooperating with the police.
This is a motion for admission of defendant's statements. The motions hearing is scheduled for Thursday. Defense attorneys will fight to keep this information out of the trial.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The latest
()
Date: December 17, 2014 12:46PM
Wife of accused child molester seems to admit husband's crime
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/12/16/michael-gardner-child-molestation-falls-church/20495779/
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/12/16/michael-gardner-child-molestation-falls-church/20495779/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
SadsadLibtards
()
Date: December 17, 2014 09:01PM
I hate libtards...and would love to rub it in as this guy was as vocal and dumb as Libtards ever come. But this is beyond sad and a sickness. All involved need your prayers, especially the poor girl.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: December 17, 2014 09:48PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: December 17, 2014 10:05PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gordon's Ghost
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Date: December 18, 2014 12:29AM
Wingtard really has a boner for Gardner....we were all wondering when you'd pull an Al Sharpton and elbow you way to the stage...
LoLz
LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: December 18, 2014 08:07AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: December 18, 2014 09:42AM
I tend to doubt that the Court will allow the recording. However, if it is admissible then Robin probably would be charged with obstruction of justice.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: December 18, 2014 09:54AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Yessir
()
Date: December 18, 2014 10:42AM
You guessed it, it's a plot by every single person living in Falls Church...everyone was in on this.
What a wingtard...
What a wingtard...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: December 18, 2014 11:00AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: December 18, 2014 08:24PM
Robin Gardner was not in court today. She might find herself on the witness stand in January.
Another great report by Peggy Fox:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/12/18/michael-gardner-falls-chuch-child-molestation/20605187/
Another great report by Peggy Fox:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/12/18/michael-gardner-falls-chuch-child-molestation/20605187/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
observer again
()
Date: December 18, 2014 08:30PM
Virginia's wiretapping law requires only one party consent. Since it is likely both parties to the recorded call were in Virginia, the father of the victim did not violate the law as he consented to the call. Given the nature of the recording, it is also possible that the father obtained legal advice before making it, as it strikes me the line of inquiry he initiated served to elicit responses which would support the theory that Ms. Gardner's was her husband's agent. Just a guess.
I wonder what the result of the hearing motion was today. Perhaps a decision will issue soon.
This hearing seems to me to be a seismic event. If the call is admissible, it will affect decisions on the trial involving the relative and the re-trial involving the other three girls. Or it seems it would have to.
It strikes me a rational defendant at this point would agree to a plea, especially as the defendant's wife has and will suffer more reputational damage than ever previously imagined, which is bound to impact both her and their children in a way that it is difficult to describe.
Again, I am merely an observer. My hope is that there will be at least some regard for the young people involved (all of them) at this point. I was an abused kid in my younger days, and was always astounded at how so many adults were unable to see the world as a 9-13 year old kid sees it. I guess at some level the fancy intellectual, legal and in this case, political arguments might matter, but I think what matters most is the lens in which those kids see the world.
I wonder what the result of the hearing motion was today. Perhaps a decision will issue soon.
This hearing seems to me to be a seismic event. If the call is admissible, it will affect decisions on the trial involving the relative and the re-trial involving the other three girls. Or it seems it would have to.
It strikes me a rational defendant at this point would agree to a plea, especially as the defendant's wife has and will suffer more reputational damage than ever previously imagined, which is bound to impact both her and their children in a way that it is difficult to describe.
Again, I am merely an observer. My hope is that there will be at least some regard for the young people involved (all of them) at this point. I was an abused kid in my younger days, and was always astounded at how so many adults were unable to see the world as a 9-13 year old kid sees it. I guess at some level the fancy intellectual, legal and in this case, political arguments might matter, but I think what matters most is the lens in which those kids see the world.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Thucydides
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Date: December 19, 2014 12:02AM
While some people seem bothered by WingNut keeping this thread alive, I would like to thank him because without his keeping tabs on this, most of us would be none the wiser to the horrors that the Gardners have wreaked.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Kill them all
()
Date: December 19, 2014 12:20AM
If you live...or lived in Falls Church, you endorsed and supported Gardner in his foul crimes. Nay, by voting for his wife, you were as guilty as Gardner himself
I think every single person in Falls Church should go to prison for a long, long time...
That's Wingnut's Sharia worldview.
Or should they all just be beheaded?
That'll teach those pedofag supporters what's what!
I think every single person in Falls Church should go to prison for a long, long time...
That's Wingnut's Sharia worldview.
Or should they all just be beheaded?
That'll teach those pedofag supporters what's what!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: December 19, 2014 08:32AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: December 19, 2014 10:26AM
Thucydides Wrote:
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> While some people seem bothered by WingNut keeping
> this thread alive, I would like to thank him
> because without his keeping tabs on this, most of
> us would be none the wiser to the horrors that the
> Gardners have wreaked.
Indeed. Wingnut has provided a public service, doing a job that most of the local media won't do.
Aside from Channel 9, the television stations have pretty much ignored the story since Michael Gardner was released last summer. The WaPo's print edition has never mentioned his subsequent arrest on new charges.
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> While some people seem bothered by WingNut keeping
> this thread alive, I would like to thank him
> because without his keeping tabs on this, most of
> us would be none the wiser to the horrors that the
> Gardners have wreaked.
Indeed. Wingnut has provided a public service, doing a job that most of the local media won't do.
Aside from Channel 9, the television stations have pretty much ignored the story since Michael Gardner was released last summer. The WaPo's print edition has never mentioned his subsequent arrest on new charges.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: December 19, 2014 11:20AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: December 19, 2014 08:27PM
Now that the judge has ruled the phone conversation as "hearsay", Robin has re-affirmed her support for her husband:
"While a D.C. TV news report claimed the phone conversation suggested that Robin Gardner “apparently admitted that her husband has admitted to the crime,” Robin Gardner issued a brief statement to the News-Press late yesterday saying, “I fully support Michael and believe he is innocent.”"
http://fcnp.com/2014/12/19/latest-gardner-trial-postponed-to-jan-15-wife-affirms-support/
"While a D.C. TV news report claimed the phone conversation suggested that Robin Gardner “apparently admitted that her husband has admitted to the crime,” Robin Gardner issued a brief statement to the News-Press late yesterday saying, “I fully support Michael and believe he is innocent.”"
http://fcnp.com/2014/12/19/latest-gardner-trial-postponed-to-jan-15-wife-affirms-support/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Judge Roy Bean
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Date: December 19, 2014 09:45PM
Curious about the history of these two going way back. Where'd they come from and who allowed them to breed? It may be buried in the thread but I can't stand to read about these low life bottom feeders
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: December 20, 2014 09:49AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: December 20, 2014 09:57AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
French Fried Fingers
()
Date: December 20, 2014 10:04AM
Wingnutty says...
"Here's a little rant I put together, kind of circuitous"
No kidding...
What a tool.
LoLz
"Here's a little rant I put together, kind of circuitous"
No kidding...
What a tool.
LoLz
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: December 20, 2014 10:17AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: December 23, 2014 08:25AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Amazing News!
()
Date: December 23, 2014 12:15PM
Yes Wingnut, it's a diabolical plot by a evil network of pedofags to support one of their own, and this pedofag gang is supported by foolish Great Falls citizens, marching in zombie lockstep at the bidding of their liberal America-hating leaders.
You are the only person who is brilliant enough to see the connections and the only person brave enough to bring this discovery to light.
You are to be congratulated for breaking this case wide open.
You are the only person who is brilliant enough to see the connections and the only person brave enough to bring this discovery to light.
You are to be congratulated for breaking this case wide open.
33% of 18-34 Yr Olds LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 23, 2014 01:43PM
Amazing News! Wrote:
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> You are the only person who is brilliant enough to
> see the connections and the only person brave
> enough to bring this discovery to light.
>
> You are to be congratulated for breaking this case
> wide open.
Golly thanks mister!
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> You are the only person who is brilliant enough to
> see the connections and the only person brave
> enough to bring this discovery to light.
>
> You are to be congratulated for breaking this case
> wide open.
Golly thanks mister!
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: December 23, 2014 10:07PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Question for anyone following this case-
>
> Convicted child molester Michael Armin Gardner was
> said to have had 60 letters of support from the
> community.
>
> Are these letters public information and did he
> get any support from local political figures?
>
> I'm sure he was supported by FCNP ownership and
> staff and a few local misguided lefties.
>
> I just have to wonder if he got any support from
> any names of "prominence"..
I very much doubt any politician would have signed one of the 60 letters. I'm sure Beyer and Moran know Gardner and I'm fairly sure Connolly and Kaine have met him. Gardner even hosted a fund raiser for Kaine in his home. However, they would have been very foolish to go out on a limb during a high profile trial and declare their support for anyone facing such charges.
The Court website finally has been updated. Twelve motions were considered last week, four of which were granted.
One limine was denied, presumably the prosecution motion to admit the telephone conversation between Robin and the father of the alleged victim. A continuance was granted, presumably requested by the defense. A defense motion to quash was denied. A bill of particulars was granted. Unfortunately it's impossible to determine the nature of the two limines that were granted or the other motions without a transcript of the hearing.
The News-Press story's headline last week said that the trial on the second set of charges was being postponed until January 15. However, the story's text states and the Court website now confirms that a hearing, not a trial, will be held on that date.
They may be going to retry Gardner on the first set of charges before they try him on the second set. The re-trial on the 2011 case is still set for February 2.
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> Question for anyone following this case-
>
> Convicted child molester Michael Armin Gardner was
> said to have had 60 letters of support from the
> community.
>
> Are these letters public information and did he
> get any support from local political figures?
>
> I'm sure he was supported by FCNP ownership and
> staff and a few local misguided lefties.
>
> I just have to wonder if he got any support from
> any names of "prominence"..
I very much doubt any politician would have signed one of the 60 letters. I'm sure Beyer and Moran know Gardner and I'm fairly sure Connolly and Kaine have met him. Gardner even hosted a fund raiser for Kaine in his home. However, they would have been very foolish to go out on a limb during a high profile trial and declare their support for anyone facing such charges.
The Court website finally has been updated. Twelve motions were considered last week, four of which were granted.
One limine was denied, presumably the prosecution motion to admit the telephone conversation between Robin and the father of the alleged victim. A continuance was granted, presumably requested by the defense. A defense motion to quash was denied. A bill of particulars was granted. Unfortunately it's impossible to determine the nature of the two limines that were granted or the other motions without a transcript of the hearing.
The News-Press story's headline last week said that the trial on the second set of charges was being postponed until January 15. However, the story's text states and the Court website now confirms that a hearing, not a trial, will be held on that date.
They may be going to retry Gardner on the first set of charges before they try him on the second set. The re-trial on the 2011 case is still set for February 2.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: December 23, 2014 11:00PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mr. Welby
()
Date: December 23, 2014 11:02PM
If Gardner wiggles out of the cesspool he is swimming in, it will set a precedence for future peds to get another trial.
Wow! Geer is murdered in cold blood by a Fairfax County cop who hasn't been named for almost 16 months and the citizens are supposed to trust the police when they get pulled over.
Now children can be sexually defiled by liberal politicians who have connections.
That Virginia liberal politician who had sex with an underage girl wasn't going to resign even after going to jail except the GOP has the majority so the dems in the Virginia house knew they had to convince him to resign in order to have any chance of manipulating the GOP to give them their way.(Morrisey I think is his name)
Liberals have no shame and they dominate the political agenda in federal, state, and county governments across this formerly great land.
I agree "wingnut" you basically nailed it! There is some back scratching going on with the liberal bigwigs helping Gardner. His wife is definitely in on it.
Wow! Geer is murdered in cold blood by a Fairfax County cop who hasn't been named for almost 16 months and the citizens are supposed to trust the police when they get pulled over.
Now children can be sexually defiled by liberal politicians who have connections.
That Virginia liberal politician who had sex with an underage girl wasn't going to resign even after going to jail except the GOP has the majority so the dems in the Virginia house knew they had to convince him to resign in order to have any chance of manipulating the GOP to give them their way.(Morrisey I think is his name)
Liberals have no shame and they dominate the political agenda in federal, state, and county governments across this formerly great land.
I agree "wingnut" you basically nailed it! There is some back scratching going on with the liberal bigwigs helping Gardner. His wife is definitely in on it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: December 23, 2014 11:25PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mr. Welby
()
Date: December 23, 2014 11:56PM
Ya know... that's exactly what went through my mind.
How could his defense convince a judge that Gardner had grounds to even get this hearing?
I'm not very swift with law, but it seems that almost every case I've read about got denied a hearing to argue for a new trial. The ones that succeeded in getting the hearing almost always got denied the new trial because if evidence wasn't presented in the first trial there was usually a legal precedent or statute for not allowing it which stood in favor of the prosecution 9 times out of ten.
I agree it will be very interesting.
How could his defense convince a judge that Gardner had grounds to even get this hearing?
I'm not very swift with law, but it seems that almost every case I've read about got denied a hearing to argue for a new trial. The ones that succeeded in getting the hearing almost always got denied the new trial because if evidence wasn't presented in the first trial there was usually a legal precedent or statute for not allowing it which stood in favor of the prosecution 9 times out of ten.
I agree it will be very interesting.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
One quick point
()
Date: December 24, 2014 03:41AM
Spouses can not be compelled to testify against their husband or wife except
..."(iii) in any proceeding relating to a violation of the laws pertaining to criminal sexual assault (§§ 18.2-61 through 18.2-67.10), crimes against nature (§ 18.2-361) involving a minor as a victim and provided the defendant and the victim are not married to each other, incest (§ 18.2-366), or abuse of children (§§ 18.2-370 through 18.2-371)."
So Robin will have to answer some dificult questions.
..."(iii) in any proceeding relating to a violation of the laws pertaining to criminal sexual assault (§§ 18.2-61 through 18.2-67.10), crimes against nature (§ 18.2-361) involving a minor as a victim and provided the defendant and the victim are not married to each other, incest (§ 18.2-366), or abuse of children (§§ 18.2-370 through 18.2-371)."
So Robin will have to answer some dificult questions.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: December 24, 2014 09:42AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Water Bored
()
Date: December 24, 2014 10:55AM
The money we taxpayers waste when we could just have Wangnutz be the entire judicial system...that would teach that Falls Church pedofag mafia!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: December 24, 2014 01:06PM
Due to the lack of media coverage we simply don't know the subject of next month's hearing. In all fairness the story is not an easy one to cover, given that Gardner now is facing a hearing in one case and a re-trial in another, plus he's switched counsels.
Whether he's benefited from his local connections is unclear. Although his supporters have criticized FCCPD's investigation, there also have been rumors that the investigation was impeded. He was held at the ACDC for an unusually long time after his conviction before he was finally sent to prison. His bond was set at only $50,000 when he was later released. However, there may be reasonable explanations in each case.
Thank you "One quick point" for finding that statute. Here is the full text:
https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-271.2
Circuit court information for any district is available through the following link:
http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/circuit.jsp
Background of the trial judge (from the County website):
In 2012, Louise M. DiMatteo was appointed as a Judge of the Virginia’s 17th Judicial Circuit covering Arlington County and the City of Falls Church. Judge DiMatteo received her Juris Doctorate from Washington & Lee University in 1989, and her Bachelor of Arts from University of Virginia in 1986.
Prior to her appointment, Judge DiMatteo was a trial attorney for over 23 years and practiced with the Arlington County Attorney’s Office as a litigator and transactional attorney specializing in employment law, contracts and procurement, abuse and neglect issues related to elders and children as well as a variety of local government issues. Prior to joining the Arlington County Attorney’s office, Judge DiMatteo was an Assistant County Attorney in Fairfax, was in private practice with Siciliano, Ellis, Dyer and Bocarosse as a trial lawyer and was a criminal defense attorney with the Fairfax Public Defender’s Office.
Whether he's benefited from his local connections is unclear. Although his supporters have criticized FCCPD's investigation, there also have been rumors that the investigation was impeded. He was held at the ACDC for an unusually long time after his conviction before he was finally sent to prison. His bond was set at only $50,000 when he was later released. However, there may be reasonable explanations in each case.
Thank you "One quick point" for finding that statute. Here is the full text:
https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-271.2
Circuit court information for any district is available through the following link:
http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/circuit.jsp
Background of the trial judge (from the County website):
In 2012, Louise M. DiMatteo was appointed as a Judge of the Virginia’s 17th Judicial Circuit covering Arlington County and the City of Falls Church. Judge DiMatteo received her Juris Doctorate from Washington & Lee University in 1989, and her Bachelor of Arts from University of Virginia in 1986.
Prior to her appointment, Judge DiMatteo was a trial attorney for over 23 years and practiced with the Arlington County Attorney’s Office as a litigator and transactional attorney specializing in employment law, contracts and procurement, abuse and neglect issues related to elders and children as well as a variety of local government issues. Prior to joining the Arlington County Attorney’s office, Judge DiMatteo was an Assistant County Attorney in Fairfax, was in private practice with Siciliano, Ellis, Dyer and Bocarosse as a trial lawyer and was a criminal defense attorney with the Fairfax Public Defender’s Office.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: January 13, 2015 08:18PM
Yesterday a hearing was held in Arlington Circuit Court. There were three major developments.
1. Gardner's trial on the second set of charges will begin on Wednesday, March 4. The alleged offense occurred in 2009.
2. The re-trial of the 2011 charges was originally scheduled to begin on Monday, February 2. However, that trial has been postponed (the Court's website now indicates it has been "withdrawn").
3. A hearing will be held on Thursday, February 12, at which motions will be heard on both sets of charges.
Speculation: If Gardner is convicted in the new trial the Commonwealth may not re-try him on the original charges. If he is acquitted, the re-trial presumably will proceed.
1. Gardner's trial on the second set of charges will begin on Wednesday, March 4. The alleged offense occurred in 2009.
2. The re-trial of the 2011 charges was originally scheduled to begin on Monday, February 2. However, that trial has been postponed (the Court's website now indicates it has been "withdrawn").
3. A hearing will be held on Thursday, February 12, at which motions will be heard on both sets of charges.
Speculation: If Gardner is convicted in the new trial the Commonwealth may not re-try him on the original charges. If he is acquitted, the re-trial presumably will proceed.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: January 13, 2015 08:49PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Refugee
()
Date: January 14, 2015 11:07PM
Why isn't this bigger news? Acquitted and then accused again by a family member? Local politician standing by her man? I'm really surprised.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: January 14, 2015 11:29PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: January 15, 2015 02:10PM
Refugee Wrote:
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> Why isn't this bigger news?
Maybe "Gardner fatigue" has set in at some media outlets.
Although not an earthshaking development you would think that it would at least be reported in the Falls Church News Press, the local paper of record. However, if you think that you don't know Nick Benton - the paper's editor and publisher, and close friend of Michael Gardner, who also just happens to be a former News-Press columnist and past FCC Democrat committee chairman.
On the other hand, if Gardner had been a prominent local Republican you can bet that Benton wouldn't have missed a beat on this story.
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> Why isn't this bigger news?
Maybe "Gardner fatigue" has set in at some media outlets.
Although not an earthshaking development you would think that it would at least be reported in the Falls Church News Press, the local paper of record. However, if you think that you don't know Nick Benton - the paper's editor and publisher, and close friend of Michael Gardner, who also just happens to be a former News-Press columnist and past FCC Democrat committee chairman.
On the other hand, if Gardner had been a prominent local Republican you can bet that Benton wouldn't have missed a beat on this story.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
another point
()
Date: January 17, 2015 04:35AM
"A. Any person convicted of (i) more than one offense specified in subsection B or (ii) one of the offenses specified in subsection B of this section and one of the offenses specified in subsection B of § 18.2-67.5:3 when such offenses were not part of a common act, transaction or scheme, and who has been at liberty as defined in § 53.1-151 between each conviction shall, upon conviction of the second or subsequent such offense, be sentenced to the maximum term authorized by statute for such offense, and shall not have all or any part of such sentence suspended, provided it is admitted, or found by the jury or judge before whom the person is tried, that he has been previously convicted of at least one of the specified offenses."
So if he is convicted in the new trial, when they retry him on the old charges and reconvict him, the maximum penalty on one of those charges is life in prison which then becomes mandatory with the prior conviction. If they tried the cases in reverse order, the maximum penalty for the newer charge is less (20 years I think, which would still be good, but life is better).
So if he is convicted in the new trial, when they retry him on the old charges and reconvict him, the maximum penalty on one of those charges is life in prison which then becomes mandatory with the prior conviction. If they tried the cases in reverse order, the maximum penalty for the newer charge is less (20 years I think, which would still be good, but life is better).
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: January 29, 2015 09:31PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
February 12th
()
Date: February 09, 2015 03:50PM
Court date Thursday, what do you think will happen?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
CM's punisher
()
Date: February 09, 2015 04:45PM
Gardner will be much safer in prison.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Trial Watcher
()
Date: February 10, 2015 02:54PM
Hearings and motions are on Thursday, not the trial.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 10, 2015 10:18PM
Times running out for the PedoFreak...
Three viable options...
#1 Work out a plea bargain, which could possibly happen Thursday. It will need to happen SOON before the state begins the lengthy and costly process of trial preparation..
#2 Go to trial fighting, get convicted with the same DNA evidence of your slobber on some poor young girls panties; get another 20+ years in the can...
#3 Stockpile whatever meds the jail nurse is bringing you by hiding them under your tongue. Eat all at once and hope it kills you.
Be very interesting to see what goes on Thursday! Maybe Robin is working the phones trying to get Tim Kaine, Nick Benton and Eileen Filler-Corn to come to court and testify about what a big harmless Teddy Bear Mikey is.
Three viable options...
#1 Work out a plea bargain, which could possibly happen Thursday. It will need to happen SOON before the state begins the lengthy and costly process of trial preparation..
#2 Go to trial fighting, get convicted with the same DNA evidence of your slobber on some poor young girls panties; get another 20+ years in the can...
#3 Stockpile whatever meds the jail nurse is bringing you by hiding them under your tongue. Eat all at once and hope it kills you.
Be very interesting to see what goes on Thursday! Maybe Robin is working the phones trying to get Tim Kaine, Nick Benton and Eileen Filler-Corn to come to court and testify about what a big harmless Teddy Bear Mikey is.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FC
()
Date: February 16, 2015 12:13PM
Does anyone know the status of this?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
TimmySlaw Attny
()
Date: February 16, 2015 01:56PM
Wingnut is all oiled up and working on an update!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 16, 2015 09:13PM
Are we placing bets on conviction/acquittal?
Length of sentence over/under?
Props like how many counts convicted?
Length of sentence over/under?
Props like how many counts convicted?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Justice Delayed
()
Date: February 16, 2015 10:13PM
You're HOURS late Wingnut! The pedofags of Falls Church are going to storm the jail and release Gardner!
Where were you??
Where were you??
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mr. Welby
()
Date: February 16, 2015 10:53PM
Please bring me up to date Wingnut- I've been out of the loop for a while and you seem to be the go to guy that I've relied on in the past.
Seriously... this case could really piss me off if the lib ped walks!
Seriously... this case could really piss me off if the lib ped walks!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 17, 2015 10:05AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: February 17, 2015 10:12AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mr. Potter
()
Date: February 17, 2015 11:04AM
I would think a list would also be public of "defense witnesses" who would come in to testify about what a great pillar of the Falls Church community is, but my guess is these are voluntary witnesses who do not require a process server or official notification.
Actually, Swangnutz, every single pedofag supporting resident of Falls Church has appeared to speak up for Gardner...there's thousands of people outside the courthouse, all lined up....it's like "It's a Wonderful Pedofag Life."
Actually, Swangnutz, every single pedofag supporting resident of Falls Church has appeared to speak up for Gardner...there's thousands of people outside the courthouse, all lined up....it's like "It's a Wonderful Pedofag Life."
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 17, 2015 11:25AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
LGx5i
()
Date: February 17, 2015 12:21PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Mr. Potter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually, Swangnutz, every single pedofag
> > supporting resident of Falls Church has
> appeared
> > to speak up for Gardner...there's thousands of
> > people outside the courthouse, all lined
> > up....it's like "It's a Wonderful Pedofag
> Life."
>
>
> Why do you have to make LOLz?
>
> There were 60 people from the City of Falls Church
> who wrote letters of support for Michael Gardner
> and apparently think he was "railroaded"....
>
> Michael and Robin Gardner hosted a fundraiser at
> their Falls Church home attended by VA Senator Tim
> Kaine....
>
> Another long time friend and frequent visitor to
> the Gardner home is Delegate Joyce Filler-Corn...
>
>
> Strange?
Are you perverted for perverts?
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> Mr. Potter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually, Swangnutz, every single pedofag
> > supporting resident of Falls Church has
> appeared
> > to speak up for Gardner...there's thousands of
> > people outside the courthouse, all lined
> > up....it's like "It's a Wonderful Pedofag
> Life."
>
>
> Why do you have to make LOLz?
>
> There were 60 people from the City of Falls Church
> who wrote letters of support for Michael Gardner
> and apparently think he was "railroaded"....
>
> Michael and Robin Gardner hosted a fundraiser at
> their Falls Church home attended by VA Senator Tim
> Kaine....
>
> Another long time friend and frequent visitor to
> the Gardner home is Delegate Joyce Filler-Corn...
>
>
> Strange?
Are you perverted for perverts?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Hayseed Hiram
()
Date: February 17, 2015 12:43PM
Dern it, Wingnutty is a HERO! He ain't peverted for perverts!
When the LIBERAL press and the pedofag lover residents s of Falls Church try to put this entire case out of sight, out of mind (disregarding the actual VA court docket, news reports, etc), Wingnutty is the only feller who stood tall and made sure this thread kept a-getting revived!
And if a pedofag hosts a fundraiser and some unwitting guest politician appears, he should be executed, too. Ignorance of Sharia Law is no excuse!
When the LIBERAL press and the pedofag lover residents s of Falls Church try to put this entire case out of sight, out of mind (disregarding the actual VA court docket, news reports, etc), Wingnutty is the only feller who stood tall and made sure this thread kept a-getting revived!
And if a pedofag hosts a fundraiser and some unwitting guest politician appears, he should be executed, too. Ignorance of Sharia Law is no excuse!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 17, 2015 01:19PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 17, 2015 04:14PM
The Court generally takes several business days to update its database, so it's no surprise that we have no indication thus far as to what happened at last Thursday's hearing. Perhaps tomorrow.
The Commonwealth has subpoenaed quite a few people but not all of them may be called to testify. What's most interesting is that Robin has been served. Her testimony will be the highlight of the trial, assuming Michael does not take the stand himself.
As to Wingnut's question "Who are these people?" I have not seen the list of letter writers but I suspect it includes many prominent residents of Falls Church City, people whose names frequently appear in the News-Press and other FC media.
Politics, at all levels, is about networking and the Gardners established an extensive network during Robins's many years on the city council. Michael further expanded the network as chairman of the FC Democratic Committee.
The Gardners also were active members of the historic Falls Church. Robin now is on the vestry (governing board) of the parish. Significantly, she was elected to that office prior to Michael's conviction being overturned last summer.
Given their many connections it's not surprising that some of the Gardners' friends and associates would be willing to come forward as character witnesses or write a letter to the Court in Michael's behalf. However, most of these people probably had their illusions shattered when the second set of charges were filed.
This begs the question, why did they continue to support Michael after he was convicted on DNA evidence. Possible reasons.
1. Serious concerns about how the evidence was collected and the general conduct of the prosecution. The defense and some of the local media did their best to sow as many doubts as possible and some people bought into that.
2. Blind friendship, i.e., inability to accept reality. In the majority of child abuse cases there is a frequent refrain - "He's the last person I thought who would be capable of such a thing." Indeed. Such abusers generally have no prior criminal record and seem to be incapable of molestation or any other crime. When they're convicted their friends continue to see them as the person they always knew and not the one they actually are.
3. Blind party loyalty - not just the Democratic party but also the local clique that runs Falls Church. He was very much one of them and they just couldn't bear to turn their back on him. This sort of thing can go on for generations. Consider that some people still believe Alger Hiss was innocent.
The Commonwealth has subpoenaed quite a few people but not all of them may be called to testify. What's most interesting is that Robin has been served. Her testimony will be the highlight of the trial, assuming Michael does not take the stand himself.
As to Wingnut's question "Who are these people?" I have not seen the list of letter writers but I suspect it includes many prominent residents of Falls Church City, people whose names frequently appear in the News-Press and other FC media.
Politics, at all levels, is about networking and the Gardners established an extensive network during Robins's many years on the city council. Michael further expanded the network as chairman of the FC Democratic Committee.
The Gardners also were active members of the historic Falls Church. Robin now is on the vestry (governing board) of the parish. Significantly, she was elected to that office prior to Michael's conviction being overturned last summer.
Given their many connections it's not surprising that some of the Gardners' friends and associates would be willing to come forward as character witnesses or write a letter to the Court in Michael's behalf. However, most of these people probably had their illusions shattered when the second set of charges were filed.
This begs the question, why did they continue to support Michael after he was convicted on DNA evidence. Possible reasons.
1. Serious concerns about how the evidence was collected and the general conduct of the prosecution. The defense and some of the local media did their best to sow as many doubts as possible and some people bought into that.
2. Blind friendship, i.e., inability to accept reality. In the majority of child abuse cases there is a frequent refrain - "He's the last person I thought who would be capable of such a thing." Indeed. Such abusers generally have no prior criminal record and seem to be incapable of molestation or any other crime. When they're convicted their friends continue to see them as the person they always knew and not the one they actually are.
3. Blind party loyalty - not just the Democratic party but also the local clique that runs Falls Church. He was very much one of them and they just couldn't bear to turn their back on him. This sort of thing can go on for generations. Consider that some people still believe Alger Hiss was innocent.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 17, 2015 04:34PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Disgusting?
()
Date: February 17, 2015 05:31PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Good post Old Man....
>
> I was not aware that the election to the church
> vestry for fatass came AFTER the conviction. It
> really must be a sick, sick group of people.
> Overlooking the crimes of a spouse would be one
> thing, but overlooking the behavior of Robin
> Gardner, especially since the revelation of the
> phone recording, is something very different.
>
> I am sure there are some "believers" who truly
> think that Michael Gardner is innocent, even with
> the testimony, the DNA evidence and the piss poor
> answer to the charges that Gardner gave.
>
> It amazes and disgusts me.
Well, welcome to America, Wingnut. Where the guilty are not convicted, the innocent are and conservatives never serve their country.
Ain't America grand?
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> Good post Old Man....
>
> I was not aware that the election to the church
> vestry for fatass came AFTER the conviction. It
> really must be a sick, sick group of people.
> Overlooking the crimes of a spouse would be one
> thing, but overlooking the behavior of Robin
> Gardner, especially since the revelation of the
> phone recording, is something very different.
>
> I am sure there are some "believers" who truly
> think that Michael Gardner is innocent, even with
> the testimony, the DNA evidence and the piss poor
> answer to the charges that Gardner gave.
>
> It amazes and disgusts me.
Well, welcome to America, Wingnut. Where the guilty are not convicted, the innocent are and conservatives never serve their country.
Ain't America grand?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: February 17, 2015 06:16PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Atticus Finch
()
Date: February 18, 2015 09:17AM
If only there were some legal system in place, where this Gardner could be tried...oh, that's right there is!
Thanks for playing, Wingnutty!
Thanks for playing, Wingnutty!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
More news to come
()
Date: February 18, 2015 02:23PM
Watch Peggy Fox on WUSA 9 tonight.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FeedHisBallsToAnAlligator
()
Date: February 18, 2015 02:56PM
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Accused child molester Michael Gardner attempted to hire a hit man to kill the child witnesses in his case.
The stunning information was released during the pretrial motion for a new child sex abuse case against Gardner, WUSA9's Peggy Fox reported.
The stunning information was released during the pretrial motion for a new child sex abuse case against Gardner, WUSA9's Peggy Fox reported.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
INSANE
()
Date: February 18, 2015 03:49PM
^^^^^ holy shit. This asshole is likely never going to be a free man again. When does Robin file for divorce?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
PgDn
()
Date: February 18, 2015 03:50PM
FeedHisBallsToAnAlligator Wrote:
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> ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Accused child molester
> Michael Gardner attempted to hire a hit man to
> kill the child witnesses in his case.
>
> The stunning information was released during the
> pretrial motion for a new child sex abuse case
> against Gardner, WUSA9's Peggy Fox reported.
Sure, and Gardner killed GordonBlvd, too!
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> ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Accused child molester
> Michael Gardner attempted to hire a hit man to
> kill the child witnesses in his case.
>
> The stunning information was released during the
> pretrial motion for a new child sex abuse case
> against Gardner, WUSA9's Peggy Fox reported.
Sure, and Gardner killed GordonBlvd, too!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
news watcher
()
Date: February 18, 2015 04:16PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
fools everywhere
()
Date: February 18, 2015 04:18PM
PgDn Wrote:
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> FeedHisBallsToAnAlligator Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Accused child
> molester
> > Michael Gardner attempted to hire a hit man to
> > kill the child witnesses in his case.
> >
> > The stunning information was released during
> the
> > pretrial motion for a new child sex abuse case
> > against Gardner, WUSA9's Peggy Fox reported.
>
>
> Sure, and Gardner killed GordonBlvd, too!
Go ahead, drop your kids off at his babysitting service.
-------------------------------------------------------
> FeedHisBallsToAnAlligator Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Accused child
> molester
> > Michael Gardner attempted to hire a hit man to
> > kill the child witnesses in his case.
> >
> > The stunning information was released during
> the
> > pretrial motion for a new child sex abuse case
> > against Gardner, WUSA9's Peggy Fox reported.
>
>
> Sure, and Gardner killed GordonBlvd, too!
Go ahead, drop your kids off at his babysitting service.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Wingnut I apologize
()
Date: February 18, 2015 04:42PM
You were totally right about this guy.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
NJCVe
()
Date: February 18, 2015 04:42PM
High-ranking Democrats.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Yar
()
Date: February 18, 2015 06:12PM
Sensational headline...absolutely no details...has WUSA become Patch?
Why, yes it has...
Why, yes it has...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Waldorf
()
Date: February 18, 2015 06:19PM
Yar Wrote:
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> Sensational headline...absolutely no details...has
> WUSA become Patch?
>
> Why, yes it has...
You sound like a fan of the Nick Benton style of journalism.
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> Sensational headline...absolutely no details...has
> WUSA become Patch?
>
> Why, yes it has...
You sound like a fan of the Nick Benton style of journalism.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Cats be talkin bout...
()
Date: February 18, 2015 06:25PM
...when is Robin going to divorce him. Makes me laugh that they all think she is innocent. She tried to talk the father of the most recent victim out of pressing charges to a later date. She says all the other victims were not molested. At the very least she is a terrible person who supports her pedophile husband in addition to saying she would bring free wi-fi to Falls Church and never delivered.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Co-conspirator
()
Date: February 18, 2015 06:34PM
Cats be talkin bout... Wrote:
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> ...when is Robin going to divorce him. Makes me
> laugh that they all think she is innocent. She
> tried to talk the father of the most recent victim
> out of pressing charges to a later date. She says
> all the other victims were not molested. At the
> very least she is a terrible person who supports
> her pedophile husband in addition to saying she
> would bring free wi-fi to Falls Church and never
> delivered.
Think she was in on the hit?
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> ...when is Robin going to divorce him. Makes me
> laugh that they all think she is innocent. She
> tried to talk the father of the most recent victim
> out of pressing charges to a later date. She says
> all the other victims were not molested. At the
> very least she is a terrible person who supports
> her pedophile husband in addition to saying she
> would bring free wi-fi to Falls Church and never
> delivered.
Think she was in on the hit?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Link now goes to video report.
()
Date: February 18, 2015 07:18PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Rob loblaw
()
Date: February 18, 2015 08:05PM
Fact about Mrs. Michael Gardner: She promised free City Wi-Fi. She never consulted with City staff or a third party consultant to inquire about the feasability according to city management.
http://fcnp.com/2008/01/02/mayor-gardner-to-run-again-promises-free-citywide-wifi/
http://fcnp.com/2008/01/02/mayor-gardner-to-run-again-promises-free-citywide-wifi/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bobloblaw
()
Date: February 18, 2015 08:13PM
Mike is going to be the most sought after colon in the clink. He will be bought, sold, traded, and ridden harder than a fat blonde at a fried chicken and watermelon festival.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 18, 2015 08:20PM
Holy fuck!
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 18, 2015 08:27PM
WUSA 9 and WJLA only, looks like this Peggy Fox gal from 9 is the one doing her job and 7 is just parroting what she reported.
Good job Peggy!
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/02/18/michael-gardner-tried-to-have/23625163/
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/02/falls-church-man-accused-of-trying-to-hire-hitman-to-kill-young-witnesses-in-molestation-trial-11157.html
Seems like something the Washington Post would be interested in? Oh no!
Good job Peggy!
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/02/18/michael-gardner-tried-to-have/23625163/
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/02/falls-church-man-accused-of-trying-to-hire-hitman-to-kill-young-witnesses-in-molestation-trial-11157.html
Seems like something the Washington Post would be interested in? Oh no!
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: February 18, 2015 08:40PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
take a meat mallet to his balls
()
Date: February 18, 2015 08:58PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Holy fuck!
+1
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> Holy fuck!
+1
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 18, 2015 09:42PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: February 18, 2015 09:53PM
I watched the video. Another great job by Peggy Fox, but frankly I have my doubts on this.
If you are actually going to hire a hitter you don't talk about it with another inmate, unless the inmate tells you he has people outside who can deliver on a contract, but that's taking one heck of a chance. Who can you trust in that environment?
The only person he really can trust is Robin, but I find it hard to believe she has the right contacts. Even if she did most criminals have reservations about killing children.
And keep in mind that this could involve as many as four victims: the two girls from the 2011 case, the relative from the 2009 case, and the other girl from 2011, whose case isn't being retried but who could be called as a witness.
I've no doubt he's guilty on the child abuse counts, but it's a huge stretch to believe he (and possibly Robin) would actually try to contract murder.
If you are actually going to hire a hitter you don't talk about it with another inmate, unless the inmate tells you he has people outside who can deliver on a contract, but that's taking one heck of a chance. Who can you trust in that environment?
The only person he really can trust is Robin, but I find it hard to believe she has the right contacts. Even if she did most criminals have reservations about killing children.
And keep in mind that this could involve as many as four victims: the two girls from the 2011 case, the relative from the 2009 case, and the other girl from 2011, whose case isn't being retried but who could be called as a witness.
I've no doubt he's guilty on the child abuse counts, but it's a huge stretch to believe he (and possibly Robin) would actually try to contract murder.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 18, 2015 10:01PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: February 18, 2015 10:11PM
Regarding those pictures:
3rd Photo Left to Right - Former Delegate Jim Scott, Robin, News-Press Publisher Nick Benton, former Congressman Jim Moran, unknown.
4th Photo - Man is former FCC councilman Dan Maller. Michael Gardner probably standing behind the woman who's talking to Robin.
The photos are around five years old, possibly taken at a Democrat party function.
3rd Photo Left to Right - Former Delegate Jim Scott, Robin, News-Press Publisher Nick Benton, former Congressman Jim Moran, unknown.
4th Photo - Man is former FCC councilman Dan Maller. Michael Gardner probably standing behind the woman who's talking to Robin.
The photos are around five years old, possibly taken at a Democrat party function.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: February 18, 2015 10:24PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FC libs
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Date: February 18, 2015 11:23PM
Jim Moran. Tim Kaine. Theo Stamos. All elected. All at an accused pedophile's house and now a guy that hires a hitman. Where does Nick Benton figure into this? The Larouche folks know how to put a hit out.
Thanks Democrats!
Thanks Democrats!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
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Date: February 19, 2015 03:30AM
Maybe it's just me, but Nick Benton looks really constipated in that pic. He looks like that in real life, though, too.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: February 19, 2015 08:27AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 19, 2015 08:33AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ZOG
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Date: February 19, 2015 09:56AM
Voluntary media blackout continues.....
Ha Ha, Wingnutz! Don't you know that we liberal pedofags control the news sources of this country? Palms were greased, children were exchanged, and the story just went away.
Ha Ha, Wingnutz! Don't you know that we liberal pedofags control the news sources of this country? Palms were greased, children were exchanged, and the story just went away.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Whobe
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Date: February 19, 2015 09:57AM
That bitch has about lost her mind walking around with a cross on her head ala Charles Manson. Passing out crochet hearts to reporter? She's either playing or really going insane.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 19, 2015 10:05AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Falls Church Pedofag
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Date: February 19, 2015 10:09AM
Anti-Semite wife beating Hamas supporter...
Insanely evil political opportunist and defender of child molester...
Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
Wow, someone's spiraling out of control...sounds like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready to be unleashed!
Insanely evil political opportunist and defender of child molester...
Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
Wow, someone's spiraling out of control...sounds like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready to be unleashed!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mirror, mirror
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Date: February 19, 2015 10:19AM
Falls Church Pedofag Wrote:
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> Anti-Semite wife beating Hamas supporter...
> Insanely evil political opportunist and defender
> of child molester...
> Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
>
>
>
> Wow, someone's spiraling out of control...sounds
> like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready to be
> unleashed!
Factual assertions are now considered "out of control"? Perhaps you're the one with a loose grip on reality or a pedo....
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anti-Semite wife beating Hamas supporter...
> Insanely evil political opportunist and defender
> of child molester...
> Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
>
>
>
> Wow, someone's spiraling out of control...sounds
> like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready to be
> unleashed!
Factual assertions are now considered "out of control"? Perhaps you're the one with a loose grip on reality or a pedo....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: February 19, 2015 10:19AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:24AM
I think her cross looks a little upside down too.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Pedo Power
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Date: February 19, 2015 10:31AM
mirror, mirror Wrote:
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> Falls Church Pedofag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anti-Semite wife beating Hamas supporter...
> > Insanely evil political opportunist and
> defender
> > of child molester...
> > Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow, someone's spiraling out of
> control...sounds
> > like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready to
> be
> > unleashed!
>
> Factual assertions are now considered "out of
> control"? Perhaps you're the one with a loose
> grip on reality or a pedo....
I live in Falls Church...of course, I'm a pedo! We're ALL pedos here!
"Hateful old queer." That's a good one...has a vintage flavor to it...
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> Falls Church Pedofag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anti-Semite wife beating Hamas supporter...
> > Insanely evil political opportunist and
> defender
> > of child molester...
> > Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow, someone's spiraling out of
> control...sounds
> > like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready to
> be
> > unleashed!
>
> Factual assertions are now considered "out of
> control"? Perhaps you're the one with a loose
> grip on reality or a pedo....
I live in Falls Church...of course, I'm a pedo! We're ALL pedos here!
"Hateful old queer." That's a good one...has a vintage flavor to it...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: February 19, 2015 10:33AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
THE Falls Church
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Date: February 19, 2015 10:44AM
http://www.thefallschurch.org/vestry/
Were the other members of the vestry present at the hearing?
How did the 2015 candidates for the church vestry feel about serving with Robin?
http://www.thefallschurch.org/storage/VestryBiosforWeb.pdf
What a way to honor former vestryman George Washington.
Were the other members of the vestry present at the hearing?
How did the 2015 candidates for the church vestry feel about serving with Robin?
http://www.thefallschurch.org/storage/VestryBiosforWeb.pdf
What a way to honor former vestryman George Washington.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mirror, mirror
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:48AM
Pedo Power Wrote:
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> mirror, mirror Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Falls Church Pedofag Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Anti-Semite wife beating Hamas supporter...
> > > Insanely evil political opportunist and
> > defender
> > > of child molester...
> > > Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, someone's spiraling out of
> > control...sounds
> > > like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready
> to
> > be
> > > unleashed!
> >
> > Factual assertions are now considered "out of
> > control"? Perhaps you're the one with a loose
> > grip on reality or a pedo....
>
>
>
> I live in Falls Church...of course, I'm a pedo!
> We're ALL pedos here!
>
>
> "Hateful old queer." That's a good one...has a
> vintage flavor to it...
So yes, you do have a loose grip on reality. Thanks for clearing that up.
-------------------------------------------------------
> mirror, mirror Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Falls Church Pedofag Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Anti-Semite wife beating Hamas supporter...
> > > Insanely evil political opportunist and
> > defender
> > > of child molester...
> > > Larouche supporter, hateful old queer...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, someone's spiraling out of
> > control...sounds
> > > like a one man/woman jihad is getting ready
> to
> > be
> > > unleashed!
> >
> > Factual assertions are now considered "out of
> > control"? Perhaps you're the one with a loose
> > grip on reality or a pedo....
>
>
>
> I live in Falls Church...of course, I'm a pedo!
> We're ALL pedos here!
>
>
> "Hateful old queer." That's a good one...has a
> vintage flavor to it...
So yes, you do have a loose grip on reality. Thanks for clearing that up.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Simple Jake
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:55AM
So yes, you do have a loose grip on reality. Thanks for clearing that up.
Damn, you got me there...no sir...can't match wits with you...
Hey, have you stopped beating your husband?
Damn, you got me there...no sir...can't match wits with you...
Hey, have you stopped beating your husband?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:57AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mirror, mirror
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:58AM
Simple Jake Wrote:
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> So yes, you do have a loose grip on reality.
> Thanks for clearing that up.
>
>
>
> Damn, you got me there...no sir...can't match wits
> with you...
No you can't. You never stood a chance.
> Hey, have you stopped beating your husband?
Is this what you consider witty?
-------------------------------------------------------
> So yes, you do have a loose grip on reality.
> Thanks for clearing that up.
>
>
>
> Damn, you got me there...no sir...can't match wits
> with you...
No you can't. You never stood a chance.
> Hey, have you stopped beating your husband?
Is this what you consider witty?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:59AM
Can't access the second link from the Falls Church.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hitwo/man?
()
Date: February 19, 2015 11:01AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> They elected Robin Gardner to the vestry AFTER her
> hubby was convicted of molesting kids and AFTER
> she continued to defend him?
>
> I'm sure their response is the typical "judge not"
> and "innocent until proven guilty" BS.
>
> Stupid gullible motherfuckers.
Are any of the members of the vestry guns for hire?
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> They elected Robin Gardner to the vestry AFTER her
> hubby was convicted of molesting kids and AFTER
> she continued to defend him?
>
> I'm sure their response is the typical "judge not"
> and "innocent until proven guilty" BS.
>
> Stupid gullible motherfuckers.
Are any of the members of the vestry guns for hire?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 11:04AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
All the news
()
Date: February 19, 2015 11:10AM
news watcher Wrote:
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> http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/201
> 5/02/18/michael-gardner-tried-to-have/23625163/
What kind of story is this? One jailed thug makes a claim of call-pal Gardner trying to put a hit on multiple witnesses? Lurid, right out of a bad movie.
Any verification? Official statements? Other news sources investigating this?
It could be all ultimately true, but it sounds more like Peggy Fox trying to sex up her ratings with an unsubstantiated story.
I would like to see some followup on this.
And to spare the various retards here from hours of painstaking typing, no, I'm neither a Falls Church resident, nor a pedofag...
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> http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/201
> 5/02/18/michael-gardner-tried-to-have/23625163/
What kind of story is this? One jailed thug makes a claim of call-pal Gardner trying to put a hit on multiple witnesses? Lurid, right out of a bad movie.
Any verification? Official statements? Other news sources investigating this?
It could be all ultimately true, but it sounds more like Peggy Fox trying to sex up her ratings with an unsubstantiated story.
I would like to see some followup on this.
And to spare the various retards here from hours of painstaking typing, no, I'm neither a Falls Church resident, nor a pedofag...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 11:19AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again
()
Date: February 19, 2015 03:30PM
I can't believe my eyes. I thought he had made a mistake before and could respond to some treatment and incarceration but these are the actions of someone much more evil than I ever could dream.
Bury him and throw the key away.
Bury him and throw the key away.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
APB
()
Date: February 19, 2015 05:00PM
Was GordonBlvd the jail snitch? That would explain his disappearance from this thread. Is he in the witness protection program now?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: February 19, 2015 07:13PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
()
Date: February 19, 2015 07:40PM
@WingNut: are you referring to the Peggy Fox report from a couple days ago, or is there something new?
Also, I wonder why this isn't in the News Press?
Also, I wonder why this isn't in the News Press?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 07:53PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: February 19, 2015 08:03PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
()
Date: February 19, 2015 08:06PM
@ WingNut: Holy crap! That's some disturbing stuff!
Monday should be reeeeeeal interesting.
Monday should be reeeeeeal interesting.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 19, 2015 08:13PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: February 19, 2015 08:17PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 08:34PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 19, 2015 09:28PM
Thanks for the updates.
So the WaPo finally has reported the latest developments. Aside from Patch, all Falls Church media remain silent. No more than you'd expect from the New-Press, but I'd hoped that the Times or the Post would print something.
After watching today's Channel 9 video I still have my doubts.
Yesterday Channel 7 said that Gardner attempted to arrange the hit while in prison in 2013. However, today Peggy Fox said Gardner met him "in Jail", which is not prison. So now we have conflicting reports.
The informant did not write the authorities until last December, so it took well over a year for him to come forward. All this would be more credible it he'd reported this shortly after Gardner was released last summer.
For all we know this person may just be paying back Gardner for something that happened between them while they were incarcerated.
If the informant's allegation turns out to be true I assume Gardner will plead the stress of being in prison and not being in full possession of his faculties.
So the WaPo finally has reported the latest developments. Aside from Patch, all Falls Church media remain silent. No more than you'd expect from the New-Press, but I'd hoped that the Times or the Post would print something.
After watching today's Channel 9 video I still have my doubts.
Yesterday Channel 7 said that Gardner attempted to arrange the hit while in prison in 2013. However, today Peggy Fox said Gardner met him "in Jail", which is not prison. So now we have conflicting reports.
The informant did not write the authorities until last December, so it took well over a year for him to come forward. All this would be more credible it he'd reported this shortly after Gardner was released last summer.
For all we know this person may just be paying back Gardner for something that happened between them while they were incarcerated.
If the informant's allegation turns out to be true I assume Gardner will plead the stress of being in prison and not being in full possession of his faculties.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 19, 2015 09:50PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Pedoland
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Date: February 19, 2015 09:53PM
"I'll be gone until Monday."
We'll be wringing our hands, awaiting your return, Wingnut. Without you, justice will not prevail.
God speed!
We'll be wringing our hands, awaiting your return, Wingnut. Without you, justice will not prevail.
God speed!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: February 19, 2015 09:57PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bad Karate Instructor
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:07PM
Tell me you sick bitch
LOL WHUT?
LOL WHUT?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 19, 2015 10:09PM
Whats going to happen to your man?
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Day School Provider II
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Date: February 19, 2015 11:02PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Whats going to happen to your man?
Time to chill, Wingnutty. It sounds like you've been workin' your man...
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> Whats going to happen to your man?
Time to chill, Wingnutty. It sounds like you've been workin' your man...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mikescornhole
()
Date: February 19, 2015 11:34PM
After being solicited by Mike to off the victims, his cell mate threatened blackmailing him if Mike didn't toss his salad. Mike's nickname in jail is Olive Garden because he tossed salads 7 days a week.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mr. Welby
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Date: February 20, 2015 12:14AM
If Gardner can do all this shit to try and wiggle out, then why doesn't Kloman from Potomac school put up some sort of fight?
Kloman was sitting at home watching cable T.V. with a scotch on the rocks enjoying his retirement pension and knock knock knock....
"Mr. Kloman you are under arrest for multiple counts of sexual assault"!
Can you imagine the terror he felt? It would be priceless to have photos of the expression on his face during his arrest.
I haven't heard anything about him since he was sentenced to something like 24 years.
Any way, back to Gardner... This liberal POS has no shame nor does his wife.
They are using the Clinton model-deny deny deny.
Kloman was sitting at home watching cable T.V. with a scotch on the rocks enjoying his retirement pension and knock knock knock....
"Mr. Kloman you are under arrest for multiple counts of sexual assault"!
Can you imagine the terror he felt? It would be priceless to have photos of the expression on his face during his arrest.
I haven't heard anything about him since he was sentenced to something like 24 years.
Any way, back to Gardner... This liberal POS has no shame nor does his wife.
They are using the Clinton model-deny deny deny.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 20, 2015 10:17AM
Background on Kloman:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/potomac-school-investigation-uncovers-more-alleged-abuse/2014/06/30/57abfa0e-0072-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
Note that his attorney is Gardner's former mouthpiece, Peter Greenspun.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/potomac-school-investigation-uncovers-more-alleged-abuse/2014/06/30/57abfa0e-0072-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
Note that his attorney is Gardner's former mouthpiece, Peter Greenspun.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mr. Welby
()
Date: February 20, 2015 10:40AM
I had most of it wrong regarding Kloman.
First, he was nailed dead to rights by accusers and really had no defense.
Second he got 43 years.
Last he was actually working in a school where his first accuser's son attended.
I do believe he was home at the time of his arrest but probably wasn't all that surprised because of the glassy eyed stare he received when the original accuser spotted him while picking up her son at the school Kloman was employed by.
First, he was nailed dead to rights by accusers and really had no defense.
Second he got 43 years.
Last he was actually working in a school where his first accuser's son attended.
I do believe he was home at the time of his arrest but probably wasn't all that surprised because of the glassy eyed stare he received when the original accuser spotted him while picking up her son at the school Kloman was employed by.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gardner Hitman Letter
()
Date: February 20, 2015 12:59PM
APPENDIX A (First Letter)
Pg.1 Dec-19,2014
S.A. Christie-
I hope this letter finds you well-here much the same- I wanted to get this info to you that actually 'began' several months ago + may just be 'talk'- but due to recent changes in the persons status (ie= re-arrest) it may be more critical now.
A guy in VA. A very 'powerful' figure once in the VA. Democratic party w/numerous political connections still who was in VA DOC for a brief time for the sexual battery etc. of two minor girls. He is very, very wealthy = went to trial, lost, got about 20+ years- but then in June 2014 the VA. Supreme Court overturned his convictions + REMANDED for a new trial(s). He then posted a 50k bond + was released.
Prior to his release from VA DOC he + I got to know each other fairly well + he eventually asked that if his case were overturned by the VA that all child (ILLEGIBLE) were 11 +12 years old. Now he held 'no bond' I believe in Feb. he's (ILLEGIBLE) another bond hearing.
He has also discusses liquidating all assets + fleeing overseas but knows that in this day + age he can't run/hide forever w/ these sorts of charges hanging over him (ILLEGIBLE) he (ILLEGIBLE) leaning toward the abductions + or murder of these kids I believe. I have no clue his INTENT w/ the new (ILLEGIBLE) (from a earlier date) because she is a relative, but he is desperate + wealthy- he ALSO has close friends in law enforcement as well as VA-politics- so proceed w/ extreme caution w/ this.
I write Steve, (ILLEGIBLE) he (ILLEGIBLE) = touched on this. I've told the guy I had a Columbian/(ILLEGIBLE) 'friend', trafficker/hit-man- (Steve) who could meet with him or I could run it by w/ an italian friend in Brooklyn w/ the Gambinos,
Supreme Court could I help have the 'kids” disappear or killed. Etc. (ILLEGIBLE) at the new trial there would be no victims/no case, etc- He also knew about my security background + asked for details on getting into a (ILLEGIBLE) school locker. (I was trained as a locksmith, alarm technician + safe + vault tech at a N.Y trade school, early '80's) and about getting into a house undetected. I was/am in the process of pushing for release via re-sentencing or commutation of my FL. Sentence + was to meet up w/ him for details and or to intro him to a friend who could help him get those kids kidnapped or killed (kidnapped/disappeared until he submitted a demand for speedy trial + they couldnt be produced)
However he violated his bond by leaving the state AND another child came forward evidently a relative
(missing line)
It was all “on-hold” pending the VA. Supreme Court decision, which ultimate did exactly what he wanted.
He was chair of the Falls Church, VA. Democratic Party assists in writing “internet taxation” legislation, is an accountant and attorney. He is also an original architect /partner(s) w/ internet tax software company “AVALARA”, based in Bainbridge Island, WA., w/ office in Falls Church. His wife is also political, former mayor of Falls Church. At this point I'm uncertain of her involvement if any-
His initials are M.G I'm certain it easy for you to determine who it is. But for me its best I dont place his name in a letter-
I will call to confirm your receipt of this letter
Until then take care + be safe-
Sincerely-
B.H
P.S. He had also discussed an idea to attempt to pay-off his prosecutor.
APPENDIX B (Second Letter)
Hey Mike-
Hope all is well there! I'm still in the “Ritz Carlton'! Same here, great room service + food! :)
Robin wrote a few times, waiting on your reply, Just have Robin get your letters to me. Don't mail it direct to the hotel, I don't want 'management' to see I got a friend in jail.
Robin said bail was denied Have you or will you appeal it??
Your buddy 'Pedro' was 'kidnapped ' by 'staff' w/ his (ILLEGIBLE) covered. STRANGE Hows your (ILLEGIBLE)??
Robin seems to have her hands full w/ the kids, you + all your legal drama, so I'll just have my girl get this to you. Again have Robin send yours to me.
I want you to know I haven't forgot what we've discussed. The friend you asked me to contact see it he could help w/ the '3 problems' you are pretrial will be passing through VA in a FL to NY 'run”, get back to me because I don't want his visiting you to interfere w/ Robin + the kids (ILLEGIBLE) especially when it only 20 minutes (ILLEGIBLE) Robin.
Tony + Chuck are still staying at this hotel. Tony in his “penthouse” suite.
Still dealing with the NY/family (ILLEGIBLE) its a nightmare + attampting to get it into the appeal ct. there ASAP/
I won my FOIA appeal = got the Secret Service file on my (ILLEGIBLE) its 35+ pages w/ her mental health history documented = 1965 AND my sister told them that she is mentally ill but told the NY court in the estate matter that our mother wasn't mentally ill. At least my sister was caught in her lie + obvious they exploited her- the NOTARY (ILLEGIBLE) is still in play. Thanks
Take care, keep your chin up + write back You’ve got plenty of supplies now + time on your hands!
Be well-
Sincerely-
Bill NY!
Pg.1 Dec-19,2014
S.A. Christie-
I hope this letter finds you well-here much the same- I wanted to get this info to you that actually 'began' several months ago + may just be 'talk'- but due to recent changes in the persons status (ie= re-arrest) it may be more critical now.
A guy in VA. A very 'powerful' figure once in the VA. Democratic party w/numerous political connections still who was in VA DOC for a brief time for the sexual battery etc. of two minor girls. He is very, very wealthy = went to trial, lost, got about 20+ years- but then in June 2014 the VA. Supreme Court overturned his convictions + REMANDED for a new trial(s). He then posted a 50k bond + was released.
Prior to his release from VA DOC he + I got to know each other fairly well + he eventually asked that if his case were overturned by the VA that all child (ILLEGIBLE) were 11 +12 years old. Now he held 'no bond' I believe in Feb. he's (ILLEGIBLE) another bond hearing.
He has also discusses liquidating all assets + fleeing overseas but knows that in this day + age he can't run/hide forever w/ these sorts of charges hanging over him (ILLEGIBLE) he (ILLEGIBLE) leaning toward the abductions + or murder of these kids I believe. I have no clue his INTENT w/ the new (ILLEGIBLE) (from a earlier date) because she is a relative, but he is desperate + wealthy- he ALSO has close friends in law enforcement as well as VA-politics- so proceed w/ extreme caution w/ this.
I write Steve, (ILLEGIBLE) he (ILLEGIBLE) = touched on this. I've told the guy I had a Columbian/(ILLEGIBLE) 'friend', trafficker/hit-man- (Steve) who could meet with him or I could run it by w/ an italian friend in Brooklyn w/ the Gambinos,
Supreme Court could I help have the 'kids” disappear or killed. Etc. (ILLEGIBLE) at the new trial there would be no victims/no case, etc- He also knew about my security background + asked for details on getting into a (ILLEGIBLE) school locker. (I was trained as a locksmith, alarm technician + safe + vault tech at a N.Y trade school, early '80's) and about getting into a house undetected. I was/am in the process of pushing for release via re-sentencing or commutation of my FL. Sentence + was to meet up w/ him for details and or to intro him to a friend who could help him get those kids kidnapped or killed (kidnapped/disappeared until he submitted a demand for speedy trial + they couldnt be produced)
However he violated his bond by leaving the state AND another child came forward evidently a relative
(missing line)
It was all “on-hold” pending the VA. Supreme Court decision, which ultimate did exactly what he wanted.
He was chair of the Falls Church, VA. Democratic Party assists in writing “internet taxation” legislation, is an accountant and attorney. He is also an original architect /partner(s) w/ internet tax software company “AVALARA”, based in Bainbridge Island, WA., w/ office in Falls Church. His wife is also political, former mayor of Falls Church. At this point I'm uncertain of her involvement if any-
His initials are M.G I'm certain it easy for you to determine who it is. But for me its best I dont place his name in a letter-
I will call to confirm your receipt of this letter
Until then take care + be safe-
Sincerely-
B.H
P.S. He had also discussed an idea to attempt to pay-off his prosecutor.
APPENDIX B (Second Letter)
Hey Mike-
Hope all is well there! I'm still in the “Ritz Carlton'! Same here, great room service + food! :)
Robin wrote a few times, waiting on your reply, Just have Robin get your letters to me. Don't mail it direct to the hotel, I don't want 'management' to see I got a friend in jail.
Robin said bail was denied Have you or will you appeal it??
Your buddy 'Pedro' was 'kidnapped ' by 'staff' w/ his (ILLEGIBLE) covered. STRANGE Hows your (ILLEGIBLE)??
Robin seems to have her hands full w/ the kids, you + all your legal drama, so I'll just have my girl get this to you. Again have Robin send yours to me.
I want you to know I haven't forgot what we've discussed. The friend you asked me to contact see it he could help w/ the '3 problems' you are pretrial will be passing through VA in a FL to NY 'run”, get back to me because I don't want his visiting you to interfere w/ Robin + the kids (ILLEGIBLE) especially when it only 20 minutes (ILLEGIBLE) Robin.
Tony + Chuck are still staying at this hotel. Tony in his “penthouse” suite.
Still dealing with the NY/family (ILLEGIBLE) its a nightmare + attampting to get it into the appeal ct. there ASAP/
I won my FOIA appeal = got the Secret Service file on my (ILLEGIBLE) its 35+ pages w/ her mental health history documented = 1965 AND my sister told them that she is mentally ill but told the NY court in the estate matter that our mother wasn't mentally ill. At least my sister was caught in her lie + obvious they exploited her- the NOTARY (ILLEGIBLE) is still in play. Thanks
Take care, keep your chin up + write back You’ve got plenty of supplies now + time on your hands!
Be well-
Sincerely-
Bill NY!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
co-cosnpirator
()
Date: February 20, 2015 01:03PM
^^^^^ looks like Robin is in on it from the second letter.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Washington Post Reports
()
Date: February 20, 2015 10:52PM
Inmate who wrote letter was given a polygraph and stated that Gardner also considered two prosecutors and a detective as murder targets.
He arranged for the "hitman" who was a Virginia State Police undercover to meet with Gardner in jail. Gardner terminated the visit when the undercover officer referenced the inmate who was their mutual friend. Gardner called his attorney Christopher Leibig and told him someone suspicious had come to visit.
He arranged for the "hitman" who was a Virginia State Police undercover to meet with Gardner in jail. Gardner terminated the visit when the undercover officer referenced the inmate who was their mutual friend. Gardner called his attorney Christopher Leibig and told him someone suspicious had come to visit.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Newsreader
()
Date: February 21, 2015 11:01AM
I wonder why I haven't seen anything about this in the Falls Church News Press.
Or Daily Kos or the Huffington Post.
Or Daily Kos or the Huffington Post.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Plain as Gay
()
Date: February 21, 2015 11:21AM
Newsreader Wrote:
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> I wonder why I haven't seen anything about this in
> the Falls Church News Press.
>
> Or Daily Kos or the Huffington Post.
Don't you read Wingnut's postings?
All those publications are riddled with PEDOFAGS!
Along with all the PEDOFAG residents of Falls Church, who conspired to make this story go away quietly.
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> I wonder why I haven't seen anything about this in
> the Falls Church News Press.
>
> Or Daily Kos or the Huffington Post.
Don't you read Wingnut's postings?
All those publications are riddled with PEDOFAGS!
Along with all the PEDOFAG residents of Falls Church, who conspired to make this story go away quietly.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Link Please
()
Date: February 21, 2015 02:49PM
Where can I find the transcript of the informant letter?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wishitwerentso
()
Date: February 21, 2015 02:51PM
Looks like he wanted Robin killed too...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ex-politician-accused-molesting-two-young-5203453
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ex-politician-accused-molesting-two-young-5203453
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
()
Date: February 22, 2015 07:04AM
Wow. WingNut picked the wrong weekend to be away. Tomorrow should be real interesting as far as both the case and the comments on it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Vice Grip
()
Date: February 22, 2015 10:20AM
Wingnut is currently in Thailand, partying with the young ladyboys, chilling out after his heroic work.
He can't be on the job 24/7!!!
He can't be on the job 24/7!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gardners Prison Yearbook Photo
()
Date: February 22, 2015 08:56PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: February 23, 2015 09:53AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Refugee
()
Date: February 23, 2015 10:23AM
Holy s***!!! This is crazy! He wants to take a hit out on his victims?
Now I really can't believe this isn't bigger news. The delegate in Richmond who got the underage staffer pregnant got more press than this.
Now I really can't believe this isn't bigger news. The delegate in Richmond who got the underage staffer pregnant got more press than this.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 23, 2015 10:53AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 23, 2015 03:27PM
Another UK tabloid has run the story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963064/Former-Democratic-Party-chairman-plotted-hire-hit-man-kill-girls-molested-testified-against-him.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963064/Former-Democratic-Party-chairman-plotted-hire-hit-man-kill-girls-molested-testified-against-him.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wishitwerentso
()
Date: February 23, 2015 04:58PM
His lawyer just quit!
Mikey is screwed. Out there all alone.
Mikey is screwed. Out there all alone.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 23, 2015 06:56PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 23, 2015 07:07PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: February 23, 2015 08:00PM
Man...this got real interesting real fast! Who's gonna take care of the kids with both Poppa and Momma doing time?!!?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 23, 2015 08:03PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: February 23, 2015 08:13PM
Well, no matter what, this is more entertaining than watching ISIS do its thing.....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 23, 2015 08:18PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 23, 2015 09:49PM
Here's Channel 7's report. You will see near the end that Mike still has fans:
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/02/judge-to-allow-murder-plot-evidence-in-sex-abuse-trial-of-ex-va-democratic-official-111719.html
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/02/judge-to-allow-murder-plot-evidence-in-sex-abuse-trial-of-ex-va-democratic-official-111719.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 23, 2015 09:58PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 23, 2015 10:01PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Missing Heroes
()
Date: February 23, 2015 10:24PM
If only GordonBlvd were alive to see this....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Choda
()
Date: February 23, 2015 11:27PM
Shhhh, what is that sound???? It is Mike's Grundel getting torn open like gifts on Christmas morning. One week after he gets to Red Onion he will be looking like Chris Jenner circa 2015. They will pass him around like a Sunday collection plate.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Refugee
()
Date: February 24, 2015 12:10AM
This is incredibly entertaining I must admit. In no way am I minimizing the seriousness of the situation but you couldn't make this up. The hits on the kids, the lawyers quitting, the wife stuff...wow.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
()
Date: February 24, 2015 03:57AM
Choda, Red Onion might be the safest place for him. He'd be in his cell 23 hours of the day. I did have to look up grundle though.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: February 24, 2015 09:30AM
@refugee: if Baldacci or some other crime writer had written this, I'd say the plot line was too contrived to be believable.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: February 24, 2015 10:37AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wishitwerentso
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Date: February 24, 2015 10:54AM
So. The third attorney of record has quit.
First O'Connor, then Greenspun now thus guy.
Do ya think Robin is working the phones today?
Will any attorney take this case?
First O'Connor, then Greenspun now thus guy.
Do ya think Robin is working the phones today?
Will any attorney take this case?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 24, 2015 11:06AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
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Date: February 24, 2015 11:07AM
Michael has new ink!
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
RedHammer
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Date: February 24, 2015 12:03PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Witnesses who wanted to testify about Michael
> Gardners character are/were
>
>
> 1) Laurie Ombrembt, may also be spelled Omberembt,
> Oberembt or Obrembt
>
> 2) Katherine Allen (pretty common name)
>
>
> I am assuming they are Falls Church locals.
>
> Maybe they just got horns waggled into this
> because they were friends or neighbors, maybe they
> are over this now and saw the light.
>
> Anyone know them?
Stalking, are we, Wingnutz?
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> Witnesses who wanted to testify about Michael
> Gardners character are/were
>
>
> 1) Laurie Ombrembt, may also be spelled Omberembt,
> Oberembt or Obrembt
>
> 2) Katherine Allen (pretty common name)
>
>
> I am assuming they are Falls Church locals.
>
> Maybe they just got horns waggled into this
> because they were friends or neighbors, maybe they
> are over this now and saw the light.
>
> Anyone know them?
Stalking, are we, Wingnutz?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Refugee
()
Date: February 24, 2015 12:05PM
So what happens now? Do decent lawyers want to represent him now? I didn't know the Gardner's were so wealthy as the letter said...is money an object to him? I would think if he paid enough someone would do it or even just for the publicity. But maybe he's just too wacko to take a chance on. Anyone who represents themselves this day and age comes across as nuts to me though I would doubt he would do that.
And when does this go national? I just can't believe there is so little coverage! Don't people like Nancy Grace cream in their pants for stories like this?
And when does this go national? I just can't believe there is so little coverage! Don't people like Nancy Grace cream in their pants for stories like this?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 24, 2015 12:07PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 24, 2015 12:18PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
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Date: February 24, 2015 12:31PM
Give Nancy a ring!
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: February 24, 2015 01:16PM
22046 Wrote:
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> @refugee: if Baldacci or some other crime writer
> had written this, I'd say the plot line was too
> contrived to be believable.
It would be unbelievable as fiction, but there's the potential here for a true-crime best seller.
As to the recent developments.
Gardner now is without counsel so the trial probably will be delayed for months, unless he decides to defend himself and the judge decides to allow it. I don't see that happening.
Compared to some people in Falls Church (e.g.,the Beyers) the Gardners aren't that rich. I'm sure their house is worth over $1 million (new assessments coming out this week), but they've sent the twins to public schools, not pricey private ones. I'm sure their legal costs since 2011 run over $1 million, so I doubt that they can afford a high price lawyer. The court may wind up appointing one.
The informant's allegations seem increasingly credible. I didn't think even Gardner was capable of something like this, probably the first time I've under-estimated him. I know the polygraph results are inadmissible, but based on yesterday's TV interviews it looks like the prosecutors believe the story. Perhaps the judge does as well as she's going to allow it into the record.
Much of the media continue to ignore the latest developments. All Falls Church media are silent, save Patch, and Patch only once in the past week. I can't find anything online from Channel 4. Will be interesting to see if Benton omits it entirely from the next edition of the News-Press, due Thursday.
Gardner fans like Robert McCan will never see the light. Their powers of denial are almost equal to Gardner's. Only a professional psychotherapist can adequately explain their behavior.
Gardner, on the other hand, is simply a classic sociopath. In the face of all the evidence he's the victim of an "estrogen lynch mod" and has become a "black sheet of anger." He's the one who's right and everyone and everything else - all the little girls' testimony, the informant's story, the DNA evidence, the prosecutors viewpoints - are wrong.
I think we always should remember that in addition to the the four girls there are two other victims here - Gardner's own children (I can't regard Robin as a victim now). There childhood has been ruined and they will carry emotional scars the rest of their lives.
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> @refugee: if Baldacci or some other crime writer
> had written this, I'd say the plot line was too
> contrived to be believable.
It would be unbelievable as fiction, but there's the potential here for a true-crime best seller.
As to the recent developments.
Gardner now is without counsel so the trial probably will be delayed for months, unless he decides to defend himself and the judge decides to allow it. I don't see that happening.
Compared to some people in Falls Church (e.g.,the Beyers) the Gardners aren't that rich. I'm sure their house is worth over $1 million (new assessments coming out this week), but they've sent the twins to public schools, not pricey private ones. I'm sure their legal costs since 2011 run over $1 million, so I doubt that they can afford a high price lawyer. The court may wind up appointing one.
The informant's allegations seem increasingly credible. I didn't think even Gardner was capable of something like this, probably the first time I've under-estimated him. I know the polygraph results are inadmissible, but based on yesterday's TV interviews it looks like the prosecutors believe the story. Perhaps the judge does as well as she's going to allow it into the record.
Much of the media continue to ignore the latest developments. All Falls Church media are silent, save Patch, and Patch only once in the past week. I can't find anything online from Channel 4. Will be interesting to see if Benton omits it entirely from the next edition of the News-Press, due Thursday.
Gardner fans like Robert McCan will never see the light. Their powers of denial are almost equal to Gardner's. Only a professional psychotherapist can adequately explain their behavior.
Gardner, on the other hand, is simply a classic sociopath. In the face of all the evidence he's the victim of an "estrogen lynch mod" and has become a "black sheet of anger." He's the one who's right and everyone and everything else - all the little girls' testimony, the informant's story, the DNA evidence, the prosecutors viewpoints - are wrong.
I think we always should remember that in addition to the the four girls there are two other victims here - Gardner's own children (I can't regard Robin as a victim now). There childhood has been ruined and they will carry emotional scars the rest of their lives.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Refugee
()
Date: February 24, 2015 01:55PM
Very sad indeed. Are the kids teens now?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Destroyer of the Internet
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Date: February 24, 2015 02:01PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> RedHammer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Witnesses who wanted to testify about Michael
> > > Gardners character are/were
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) Laurie Ombrembt, may also be spelled
> > Omberembt,
> > > Oberembt or Obrembt
> > >
> > > 2) Katherine Allen (pretty common name)
> > >
> > >
> > > I am assuming they are Falls Church locals.
> > >
> > > Maybe they just got horns waggled into this
> > > because they were friends or neighbors, maybe
> > they
> > > are over this now and saw the light.
> > >
> > > Anyone know them?
> >
> >
> > Stalking, are we, Wingnutz?
>
> Asking about people in public forums is hardly
> stalking.
>
> I'm very curious what kind of woman would still
> support your Pedofagola buddy even after all of
> this.
>
> Hopefully they do not.
"Pedofagola"?
I think you're running out of variations on that word, Nuttybuddy..
No doubt you'll look on this as a challenge.
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> RedHammer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Witnesses who wanted to testify about Michael
> > > Gardners character are/were
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) Laurie Ombrembt, may also be spelled
> > Omberembt,
> > > Oberembt or Obrembt
> > >
> > > 2) Katherine Allen (pretty common name)
> > >
> > >
> > > I am assuming they are Falls Church locals.
> > >
> > > Maybe they just got horns waggled into this
> > > because they were friends or neighbors, maybe
> > they
> > > are over this now and saw the light.
> > >
> > > Anyone know them?
> >
> >
> > Stalking, are we, Wingnutz?
>
> Asking about people in public forums is hardly
> stalking.
>
> I'm very curious what kind of woman would still
> support your Pedofagola buddy even after all of
> this.
>
> Hopefully they do not.
"Pedofagola"?
I think you're running out of variations on that word, Nuttybuddy..
No doubt you'll look on this as a challenge.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 24, 2015 02:30PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
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()
Date: February 24, 2015 03:13PM
How about PedoFeeb or PedoFuckface?
Weak...
Weak...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: February 24, 2015 03:14PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 24, 2015 04:56PM
Refugee Wrote:
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> Very sad indeed. Are the kids teens now?
According to this they were born in 2001, so the twins will turn 14 later this year:
http://robinoncouncil.typepad.com/
Unfortunately, they are getting to an age when bullies will start riding them unmercifully about their father, if it hasn't already happened. Best they move to NJ, where Robin has family.
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> Very sad indeed. Are the kids teens now?
According to this they were born in 2001, so the twins will turn 14 later this year:
http://robinoncouncil.typepad.com/
Unfortunately, they are getting to an age when bullies will start riding them unmercifully about their father, if it hasn't already happened. Best they move to NJ, where Robin has family.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
()
Date: February 24, 2015 06:42PM
@ Old Man: it sounds like she's probably estranged her family there. Would you want a relative around like that?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Thucydides
()
Date: February 24, 2015 09:13PM
I really feel for the kids. Dad's a major sicko creep who besides violating their innocence apparently is willing to kill off their friends and cousins.
And mom goes out and blows $1 million on defending the low life. That's money that could have provided for their well being for the rest of their childhood.
And mom goes out and blows $1 million on defending the low life. That's money that could have provided for their well being for the rest of their childhood.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 24, 2015 11:40PM
COL. Mustard Wrote:
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> @ Old Man: it sounds like she's probably
> estranged her family there. Would you want a
> relative around like that?
No, but I don't know if they have better options. In any case, I hope things somehow work out for them.
Regarding the cost of Gardner's defense.
I have to retract my earlier estimate. To reach that level the attorneys would have had to charge $1000 an hour and billed for 1,000 hours. I doubt the firms spent that many hours on the case or charged that high a rate.
It's very difficult to come up with an accurate estimate since lawyers don't post their rates like gas stations. After a little research I found that experienced lawyers were averaging $425 an hour back in 2006-7. However I'm sure Gardner's lawyers were billing at a higher rate, perhaps double that when you also consider inflation.
As to the number of billable hours, even if it came to 1,000 hours since the first hearing in July 2011 the cost would still be under $1 million.
I don't think any of the lawyers would have charged a flat rate in a case like this.
Whatever the cost it's been staggering and it's still not over.
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> @ Old Man: it sounds like she's probably
> estranged her family there. Would you want a
> relative around like that?
No, but I don't know if they have better options. In any case, I hope things somehow work out for them.
Regarding the cost of Gardner's defense.
I have to retract my earlier estimate. To reach that level the attorneys would have had to charge $1000 an hour and billed for 1,000 hours. I doubt the firms spent that many hours on the case or charged that high a rate.
It's very difficult to come up with an accurate estimate since lawyers don't post their rates like gas stations. After a little research I found that experienced lawyers were averaging $425 an hour back in 2006-7. However I'm sure Gardner's lawyers were billing at a higher rate, perhaps double that when you also consider inflation.
As to the number of billable hours, even if it came to 1,000 hours since the first hearing in July 2011 the cost would still be under $1 million.
I don't think any of the lawyers would have charged a flat rate in a case like this.
Whatever the cost it's been staggering and it's still not over.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
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Date: February 27, 2015 09:20PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wonderings
()
Date: February 28, 2015 01:17PM
Wasn't there court yesterday?
What happened?
What happened?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 28, 2015 08:38PM
wonderings Wrote:
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> Wasn't there court yesterday?
> What happened?
Apparently there was no media coverage. Probably nothing important happened. I thought Robin was supposed to testify, but the withdrawal of Garner's counsel earlier this week likely is delaying everything.
According to the Court website a hearing will be held Wednesday, March 4, instead of the previously scheduled trial. Maybe Gardner will have a new lawyer by then, his fourth since 2011.
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> Wasn't there court yesterday?
> What happened?
Apparently there was no media coverage. Probably nothing important happened. I thought Robin was supposed to testify, but the withdrawal of Garner's counsel earlier this week likely is delaying everything.
According to the Court website a hearing will be held Wednesday, March 4, instead of the previously scheduled trial. Maybe Gardner will have a new lawyer by then, his fourth since 2011.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Also wondering
()
Date: March 02, 2015 06:30PM
A local political figure and husband of the Falls Church mayor accused of plotting to murder child witnesses and there is no media coverage at all?
I picked up a copy of the Falls Church News Press today and there is nothing at all about the latest development in this drama. Nothing.
I guess we are just not supposed to care.
I picked up a copy of the Falls Church News Press today and there is nothing at all about the latest development in this drama. Nothing.
I guess we are just not supposed to care.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: March 02, 2015 07:58PM
Also wondering Wrote:
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> A local political figure and husband of the Falls
> Church mayor accused of plotting to murder child
> witnesses and there is no media coverage at all?
>
> I picked up a copy of the Falls Church News Press
> today and there is nothing at all about the latest
> development in this drama. Nothing.
>
> I guess we are just not supposed to care.
The FCNP is determined to give as little coverage as possible to their former columnist and close friend of its editor. From their perspective, it's not that you're not supposed to care, it's that you're not supposed to know.
The other Falls Church outlets are voluntary, web-only publications. They really don't have the staff to keep up with this story, which has had many twists and turns.
The WaPo and the television stations have to cover a large metropolitan area, so I don't expect them to mention every development. The best coverage, from the beginning, has been by Peggy Fox of Channel 9.
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> A local political figure and husband of the Falls
> Church mayor accused of plotting to murder child
> witnesses and there is no media coverage at all?
>
> I picked up a copy of the Falls Church News Press
> today and there is nothing at all about the latest
> development in this drama. Nothing.
>
> I guess we are just not supposed to care.
The FCNP is determined to give as little coverage as possible to their former columnist and close friend of its editor. From their perspective, it's not that you're not supposed to care, it's that you're not supposed to know.
The other Falls Church outlets are voluntary, web-only publications. They really don't have the staff to keep up with this story, which has had many twists and turns.
The WaPo and the television stations have to cover a large metropolitan area, so I don't expect them to mention every development. The best coverage, from the beginning, has been by Peggy Fox of Channel 9.
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Date: March 03, 2015 05:53PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Prosecution holds all the cards
()
Date: March 03, 2015 07:34PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> The Big Show is apparently still scheduled for
> tomorrow, I can't see it continuing on schedule. I
> think it will turn into a hearing that marks the
> postponement and they will set a new date.
>
> Pedofags new legal mouthpiece may make his first
> appearance, something tells me that his new lawyer
> won't be a heavy hitter. Greenspun and Shapiro
> were pretty good, I never heard of Chris Liebig.
> Gardner will probably show up with some clown
> C-lister.
>
> If Pedofag had any sense or heart, he would spare
> the kids and the public anymore suffering and try
> to get a plea to about 10 years.
>
> If he doesn't, he will spend his final days in box
> regretting it.
A ten year plea is out the window at this point. He'll be lucky to get the 22 he got last time around. Putting the hit out on the kids is now admissible and would be considered at sentencing. He knows this. Plus the prosecution has the other pedo charge to negotiate with. Nah, Mikey is getting a 25 year plea deal at best. I hope Nick trained Mikey up for what he can expect for the next quarter century or when he offs himself - whichever comes first.
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> The Big Show is apparently still scheduled for
> tomorrow, I can't see it continuing on schedule. I
> think it will turn into a hearing that marks the
> postponement and they will set a new date.
>
> Pedofags new legal mouthpiece may make his first
> appearance, something tells me that his new lawyer
> won't be a heavy hitter. Greenspun and Shapiro
> were pretty good, I never heard of Chris Liebig.
> Gardner will probably show up with some clown
> C-lister.
>
> If Pedofag had any sense or heart, he would spare
> the kids and the public anymore suffering and try
> to get a plea to about 10 years.
>
> If he doesn't, he will spend his final days in box
> regretting it.
A ten year plea is out the window at this point. He'll be lucky to get the 22 he got last time around. Putting the hit out on the kids is now admissible and would be considered at sentencing. He knows this. Plus the prosecution has the other pedo charge to negotiate with. Nah, Mikey is getting a 25 year plea deal at best. I hope Nick trained Mikey up for what he can expect for the next quarter century or when he offs himself - whichever comes first.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
bentonsville
()
Date: March 03, 2015 08:16PM
mike better stop wasting money on lawyers and start stocking up on lubricant. i am not sure why the guy hasn't been lifting since day 1 of being locked up. he is still looking weak. he better put some time in at the gym because once he is at red onion he is going to get bought and sold for ramen noodles and envelopes. he better learn how to enjoy the company of other men because if he doesn't he is in for a really really long and hard 20+ years.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: March 03, 2015 08:45PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
????
()
Date: March 03, 2015 09:53PM
hey wingnut,
i hadn't realized that anyone might not be assuming that the Mike wasn't the rat's boytoy. i was taking that as a given.
i hadn't realized that anyone might not be assuming that the Mike wasn't the rat's boytoy. i was taking that as a given.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
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()
Date: March 03, 2015 10:58PM
I'm wondering now too if the "hitman" cellmate of Pedofag's maybe hit Mikey in the fudgehole a few times?
I am thinking that "Hitman" is a seasoned con who took the poor Pedofag under his wing and protected him a little from the slings and arrows of life in the clink.
Seems like from the evidence letters that Hitman had some contact with Robin and I wouldn't doubt she was sending generous money orders to his canteen account. But perhaps that wasn't enough and Hitman gave Mikey a stiff sausage to the kisser when the lights went out. Seems to me Mikey would be agreeable to such an arrangement if he thought it would keep him alive.
Must be a bitch that your first "friend" in prison let you down and betrayed you. Look forward to more of it.
What a vivid, detailed, lurid imagination...sounds like you'll be sharing a cell with Gardner in the future...
I am thinking that "Hitman" is a seasoned con who took the poor Pedofag under his wing and protected him a little from the slings and arrows of life in the clink.
Seems like from the evidence letters that Hitman had some contact with Robin and I wouldn't doubt she was sending generous money orders to his canteen account. But perhaps that wasn't enough and Hitman gave Mikey a stiff sausage to the kisser when the lights went out. Seems to me Mikey would be agreeable to such an arrangement if he thought it would keep him alive.
Must be a bitch that your first "friend" in prison let you down and betrayed you. Look forward to more of it.
What a vivid, detailed, lurid imagination...sounds like you'll be sharing a cell with Gardner in the future...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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()
Date: March 04, 2015 09:29AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: March 04, 2015 07:41PM
Per the Court website, Gardner's trial on the 2009 charges will begin on September 21; retrial of the 2011 charges to begin November 30.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
()
Date: March 04, 2015 09:41PM
I presume there's no bail?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: March 04, 2015 10:35PM
No bail. Mike will continue as the taxpayers' guest.
Nearly two hours after the news was reported here the FCNP has posted a terse report on today's hearing.
http://fcnp.com/2015/03/04/new-gardner-trial-dates-set-sept-21-nov-30/
Nearly two hours after the news was reported here the FCNP has posted a terse report on today's hearing.
http://fcnp.com/2015/03/04/new-gardner-trial-dates-set-sept-21-nov-30/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: March 04, 2015 11:12PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: March 04, 2015 11:31PM
Nick Benton and the FC elite probably welcome the delays. There probably won't be any significant developments in this case for the next six months. Gardner will fade entirely from the public mind, remembered only by his family and his victims.
The interval will give him a chance to reconsider his position and perhaps work out a deal. However, his position now is far weaker than it was last summer. Of course there's also always the chance he'll take matters into his own hands and save the Commonwealth further expense.
The interval will give him a chance to reconsider his position and perhaps work out a deal. However, his position now is far weaker than it was last summer. Of course there's also always the chance he'll take matters into his own hands and save the Commonwealth further expense.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: March 04, 2015 11:44PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The old Gland in FC
()
Date: March 05, 2015 12:05AM
The Falls Church News Press has apparently chosen to pretend the murder-for-hire stuff never happened. I'd think these new allegations would be newsworthy and may help circulation. Guess it's more important to pretend nothing happened.
Amazingly sick fucking people.
I had a realtor friend who used to advertise in the FCNP, I'm going to send out a quick reminder of what a piece of shit publisher that paper has.
That damned Falls Church pedofag press...whaddya gonna do...it's a plot, I tells ya!
Amazingly sick fucking people.
I had a realtor friend who used to advertise in the FCNP, I'm going to send out a quick reminder of what a piece of shit publisher that paper has.
That damned Falls Church pedofag press...whaddya gonna do...it's a plot, I tells ya!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: March 05, 2015 09:50AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Great Falls is Babylon
()
Date: March 05, 2015 10:21AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> I have to ask this of-
>
> JD Callander
>
> Leslie Hutchinson
>
> Tori McKinney
>
> You are all accomplished local realtors with
> recognizable names. You've done well for
> yourselves..
>
> Maybe you are not aware, but the Falls Church News
> Press that you advertise in is not only a
> newspaper that employed a man convicted of three
> counts of child molestation.
>
> The Falls Church News Press has refused to cover
> recent allegations made in court that Michael
> Gardner sought to have the children who were
> witnesses in the case against him MURDERED. The
> local TV news networks and the Washington Post has
> covered this development, but apparently if you
> are a former writer with the FCNP and friend of
> the publisher, you are rewarded with media
> silence.
>
> JD Callander, Leslie Hutchinson, Tori McKinney: I
> am certain none of you would support a child
> molester like Michael Gardner, or would you give
> financial support to a media entity that still
> supports this sick man.
>
> Spend your advertising dollars elsewhere.
Yea, do not tarry for the labyrinth of the secular court...gather forth, burn the presses, with the pressmen still chained to their infernal machines, stoke high the flames to illuminate for all the fate of those who, even by omission, lendeth support to an evil man...
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> I have to ask this of-
>
> JD Callander
>
> Leslie Hutchinson
>
> Tori McKinney
>
> You are all accomplished local realtors with
> recognizable names. You've done well for
> yourselves..
>
> Maybe you are not aware, but the Falls Church News
> Press that you advertise in is not only a
> newspaper that employed a man convicted of three
> counts of child molestation.
>
> The Falls Church News Press has refused to cover
> recent allegations made in court that Michael
> Gardner sought to have the children who were
> witnesses in the case against him MURDERED. The
> local TV news networks and the Washington Post has
> covered this development, but apparently if you
> are a former writer with the FCNP and friend of
> the publisher, you are rewarded with media
> silence.
>
> JD Callander, Leslie Hutchinson, Tori McKinney: I
> am certain none of you would support a child
> molester like Michael Gardner, or would you give
> financial support to a media entity that still
> supports this sick man.
>
> Spend your advertising dollars elsewhere.
Yea, do not tarry for the labyrinth of the secular court...gather forth, burn the presses, with the pressmen still chained to their infernal machines, stoke high the flames to illuminate for all the fate of those who, even by omission, lendeth support to an evil man...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: March 05, 2015 01:30PM
Here's the problem with the News-Press. Major developments in the Gardner case over the last couple of weeks resulted in a grand total of ONE SENTENCE of coverage. The murder-for-hire allegation and the withdrawal of Gardner's lawyer were never even mentioned.
Contrast that with this, the story Benton ran when Gardner's conviction was overturned last June. I don't have a copy of the print edition but I believe it was on the front page:
http://fcnp.com/2014/06/11/michael-gardners-conviction-overturned-new-trial-slated/
Contrast that with this, the story Benton ran when Gardner's conviction was overturned last June. I don't have a copy of the print edition but I believe it was on the front page:
http://fcnp.com/2014/06/11/michael-gardners-conviction-overturned-new-trial-slated/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Leaving Falls Church
()
Date: March 05, 2015 02:06PM
Yea, do not tarry for the labyrinth of the secular court...gather forth, burn the presses, with the pressmen still chained to their infernal machines, stoke high the flames to illuminate for all the fate of those who, even by omission, lendeth support to an evil man...
Damn!
Damn!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL. Mustard
()
Date: March 05, 2015 04:19PM
All this shows is that Nick Benton's rag is only useful for birdcage lining, if that. The FCNP is truly a rag.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wishitwerentso
()
Date: April 02, 2015 03:15PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
JejUb
()
Date: April 02, 2015 03:51PM
Btw where has wingnuts been?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Great Falls is Babylon
()
Date: April 02, 2015 04:49PM
He was killed by a shemale prostitute in Washington DC....
He got rear-ended!
He got rear-ended!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
touché
()
Date: April 08, 2015 09:08PM
Looks like Mikey missed out on his boy's accomplishment. Mikey will be dealing with men lunging their foils at him soon enough. En Garde, Mikey!
http://fcnp.com/2015/04/03/gardner-qualifies-fencing-national-championships/
David Gardner, an 8th grader at Mary Ellen Henderson Middle School, won the Virginia Summer Nationals Qualifiers for fencing in the Y14 Men’s Foil competition on March 22. He has earned the right to participate in the 2015 USA Fencing National Championships to be held in San Jose, California at the end of June.
http://fcnp.com/2015/04/03/gardner-qualifies-fencing-national-championships/
David Gardner, an 8th grader at Mary Ellen Henderson Middle School, won the Virginia Summer Nationals Qualifiers for fencing in the Y14 Men’s Foil competition on March 22. He has earned the right to participate in the 2015 USA Fencing National Championships to be held in San Jose, California at the end of June.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Goobertown
()
Date: April 08, 2015 09:34PM
Classy...mention this innocent kid by name in a thread about his sex predator dad...
I bet you're quite proud of yourself...why don't you go to the kid's school and scream at him...that would take a certain amount of courage, wouldn't it...
I bet you're quite proud of yourself...why don't you go to the kid's school and scream at him...that would take a certain amount of courage, wouldn't it...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Object Lesson
()
Date: April 08, 2015 10:48PM
touché Wrote:
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> Looks like Mikey missed out on his boy's
> accomplishment. Mikey will be dealing with men
> lunging their foils at him soon enough. En Garde,
> Mikey!
>
> http://fcnp.com/2015/04/03/gardner-qualifies-fenci
> ng-national-championships/
>
>
> David Gardner, an 8th grader at Mary Ellen
> Henderson Middle School, won the Virginia Summer
> Nationals Qualifiers for fencing in the Y14
> Men’s Foil competition on March 22. He has
> earned the right to participate in the 2015 USA
> Fencing National Championships to be held in San
> Jose, California at the end of June.
I thought Wingnut was an asshole, but he wouldn't have done what you did...what a fucking piece of shit you are.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Looks like Mikey missed out on his boy's
> accomplishment. Mikey will be dealing with men
> lunging their foils at him soon enough. En Garde,
> Mikey!
>
> http://fcnp.com/2015/04/03/gardner-qualifies-fenci
> ng-national-championships/
>
>
> David Gardner, an 8th grader at Mary Ellen
> Henderson Middle School, won the Virginia Summer
> Nationals Qualifiers for fencing in the Y14
> Men’s Foil competition on March 22. He has
> earned the right to participate in the 2015 USA
> Fencing National Championships to be held in San
> Jose, California at the end of June.
I thought Wingnut was an asshole, but he wouldn't have done what you did...what a fucking piece of shit you are.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Another Opinion
()
Date: April 09, 2015 09:42AM
Robin put her kid out in the public eye. This is the same Robin who has stood by her husband. This is the same Robin who appears to have tried to cover it up with Michael.
Robin should've known better.
Robin should've known better.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Death is too good
()
Date: April 09, 2015 10:37AM
Another Opinion Wrote:
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> Robin put her kid out in the public eye. This is
> the same Robin who has stood by her husband. This
> is the same Robin who appears to have tried to
> cover it up with Michael.
>
> Robin should've known better.
Yeah, make the kid pay for the crime! Stone him!
Fucktard.
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> Robin put her kid out in the public eye. This is
> the same Robin who has stood by her husband. This
> is the same Robin who appears to have tried to
> cover it up with Michael.
>
> Robin should've known better.
Yeah, make the kid pay for the crime! Stone him!
Fucktard.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: April 09, 2015 11:34AM
I'm glad he's been able to rise above the storm. The boy should be proud of his accomplishments and be able to enjoy the spotlight without suffering any public ridicule. He should not be linked to his father's sins.
Motions will be heard in Gardner's case next Wednesday. Another hearing is set for May 26.
Motions will be heard in Gardner's case next Wednesday. Another hearing is set for May 26.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
bird cage liner
()
Date: April 09, 2015 01:20PM
Death is too good Wrote:
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> Another Opinion Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Robin put her kid out in the public eye. This
> is
> > the same Robin who has stood by her husband.
> This
> > is the same Robin who appears to have tried to
> > cover it up with Michael.
> >
> > Robin should've known better.
>
>
>
> Yeah, make the kid pay for the crime! Stone him!
>
>
> Fucktard.
Well to be fair if the FCNP can report on the younger Gardner, why can't they report on the father?
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> Another Opinion Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Robin put her kid out in the public eye. This
> is
> > the same Robin who has stood by her husband.
> This
> > is the same Robin who appears to have tried to
> > cover it up with Michael.
> >
> > Robin should've known better.
>
>
>
> Yeah, make the kid pay for the crime! Stone him!
>
>
> Fucktard.
Well to be fair if the FCNP can report on the younger Gardner, why can't they report on the father?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Tug
()
Date: April 09, 2015 02:01PM
Well to be fair if the FCNP can report on the younger Gardner, why can't they report on the father?
Because it's part of some pedofag plot to protect a vast network of fellow pedofags, blah, blah, blah...
Because it's part of some pedofag plot to protect a vast network of fellow pedofags, blah, blah, blah...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
good for you
()
Date: April 09, 2015 02:23PM
Tug Wrote:
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> Well to be fair if the FCNP can report on the
> younger Gardner, why can't they report on the
> father?
>
>
> Because it's part of some pedofag plot to protect
> a vast network of fellow pedofags, blah, blah,
> blah...
Well, I guess that's good news for you......
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> Well to be fair if the FCNP can report on the
> younger Gardner, why can't they report on the
> father?
>
>
> Because it's part of some pedofag plot to protect
> a vast network of fellow pedofags, blah, blah,
> blah...
Well, I guess that's good news for you......
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Busted Again
()
Date: April 09, 2015 05:48PM
good for you Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tug Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well to be fair if the FCNP can report on the
> > younger Gardner, why can't they report on the
> > father?
> >
> >
> > Because it's part of some pedofag plot to
> protect
> > a vast network of fellow pedofags, blah, blah,
> > blah...
>
>
> Well, I guess that's good news for you......
Well, it was good news until a smart guy like you figured out our scheme
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tug Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well to be fair if the FCNP can report on the
> > younger Gardner, why can't they report on the
> > father?
> >
> >
> > Because it's part of some pedofag plot to
> protect
> > a vast network of fellow pedofags, blah, blah,
> > blah...
>
>
> Well, I guess that's good news for you......
Well, it was good news until a smart guy like you figured out our scheme
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: May 05, 2015 07:38PM
Okay, does anyone know why Mike has a release date? VADOC shows that his scheduled release is 9/9/2031. Did he plead to something?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
No deal
()
Date: May 06, 2015 07:24PM
COL Mustard Wrote:
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> Okay, does anyone know why Mike has a release
> date? VADOC shows that his scheduled release is
> 9/9/2031. Did he plead to something?
That would be his original release date. He is no longer in the VADOC but in the Arlington County Jail.
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> Okay, does anyone know why Mike has a release
> date? VADOC shows that his scheduled release is
> 9/9/2031. Did he plead to something?
That would be his original release date. He is no longer in the VADOC but in the Arlington County Jail.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 27, 2015 07:47AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 04, 2015 08:31AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Pedofag Bunker
()
Date: June 04, 2015 10:05AM
I see you are harder to kill than I had anticipated, Mr. Wangnut. My assistants have been, well, shall we say, disciplined, for not doing their job properly.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 04, 2015 10:08AM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: June 04, 2015 11:30AM
@WingNut: Nothing new from me. I only check here from time to time out of curiosity.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lucian H.
()
Date: July 15, 2015 08:37PM
The grapevine says Gardner either had his stool pushed in last night or is at least on deck for it if he doesn't get segregated. Just what I heard today.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: July 15, 2015 09:11PM
See you, in September...
See you, when the Summers thru!
See you, when the Summers thru!
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bugsy
()
Date: July 16, 2015 09:40AM
Lucian H. Wrote:
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> The grapevine says Gardner either had his stool
> pushed in last night or is at least on deck for it
> if he doesn't get segregated. Just what I heard
> today.
The "grapevine." That's funny. You got sources, huh?
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> The grapevine says Gardner either had his stool
> pushed in last night or is at least on deck for it
> if he doesn't get segregated. Just what I heard
> today.
The "grapevine." That's funny. You got sources, huh?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lucian H.
()
Date: July 16, 2015 11:36AM
Yeah, I'm in the system. I hear things...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: July 21, 2015 06:32AM
Then I hope he is segregated. Prison rape is not a laughing matter. Incarnation is one thing, but vengeance like that is another.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Jaweh
()
Date: July 21, 2015 09:14AM
This site wants BLOOD!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: July 21, 2015 03:04PM
"Incarnation " should read "incarceration ".
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
78bgr
()
Date: September 06, 2015 06:39PM
thats fucked up
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: September 06, 2015 08:51PM
@78bgr: Care to elaborate?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 06, 2015 09:29PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
HTRTR
()
Date: September 07, 2015 09:42AM
this probably ends with a plea deal
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 08, 2015 12:45PM
The trial on Gardner's alleged molestation of his niece in 2009 is set for September 21 and is expected to last as long as ten days. Although there hasn't been any media coverage for months, there has been quite a bit of pre-trial activity over the summer, including three hearings.
The prosecution witness list includes three forensic scientists, a VSP special investigator, a teacher from TJ elementary, and an administrative specialist from Augusta CC. Robin Gardner also is listed as a Commonwealth witness.
The Court's system lists some strange prospective defense witnesses, including the managers of the Capital Iceplex and Regal Cinema.
The retrial of Gardner's 2011 case is scheduled to begin on November 30.
The prosecution witness list includes three forensic scientists, a VSP special investigator, a teacher from TJ elementary, and an administrative specialist from Augusta CC. Robin Gardner also is listed as a Commonwealth witness.
The Court's system lists some strange prospective defense witnesses, including the managers of the Capital Iceplex and Regal Cinema.
The retrial of Gardner's 2011 case is scheduled to begin on November 30.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 09, 2015 10:05PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: September 10, 2015 02:11PM
Wing, you're right about the witness list. I think holidays will be very interesting for Robin for a number of years.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Nostra Strokas
()
Date: September 10, 2015 02:50PM
COL Mustard Wrote:
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> Then I hope he is segregated. Prison rape is not a
> laughing matter. Incarnation is one thing, but
> vengeance like that is another.
Some people like their tossed salad with jelly, others like it with syrup.
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> Then I hope he is segregated. Prison rape is not a
> laughing matter. Incarnation is one thing, but
> vengeance like that is another.
Some people like their tossed salad with jelly, others like it with syrup.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Another observer
()
Date: September 10, 2015 04:24PM
Interesting that the link you posted now goes to a Page Not Found error on that website. Guess his friends are circling the wagons.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 11, 2015 10:49AM
Two of Gardner's former lawyers now are listed as prosecution witnesses. Two other lawyers are also on the list.
Leibig and Batey withdrew in February when the hitman allegations surfaced:
http://www.chrisleibiglaw.com/attorneys.html#kathrynbatey
King and Thomas may be attorneys for the informant. Both are listed as Commonwealth witnesses:
http://www.kingcampbell.com/about/joseph-king
http://www.kingcampbell.com/about/megan-thomas
It will be interesting to see if Benton runs anything on the upcoming trial in next week's edition of the FCNP. Surely he knows who's representing Gardner.
Leibig and Batey withdrew in February when the hitman allegations surfaced:
http://www.chrisleibiglaw.com/attorneys.html#kathrynbatey
King and Thomas may be attorneys for the informant. Both are listed as Commonwealth witnesses:
http://www.kingcampbell.com/about/joseph-king
http://www.kingcampbell.com/about/megan-thomas
It will be interesting to see if Benton runs anything on the upcoming trial in next week's edition of the FCNP. Surely he knows who's representing Gardner.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: September 20, 2015 12:11PM
Trial still start tomorrow?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 20, 2015 02:32PM
The trial is supposed to start at 0930 tomorrow in courtroom 10A.
There haven't been any pre-trial reports, nothing really for months. I'm beginning to wonder if Benton will even file a story next Thursday. No doubt he and everyone in Gardner's circle of friends (and former friends) wish the trial were held in camera.
Peggy Fox has done a great job on this from the start, but I'm not sure she's going to cover the trial. Based on her Twitter account she's been focusing on the Severance case.
One probem for the media is that the trial may last 10 days (per the Court calendar). Not many papers or television stations are willing to cover anything continuosly for that length of time. Most media outlets have cut their staffs in recent years and haven't the resources required. There may not be any stories until a verdict is rendered.
I would very much like to attend at least one session myself but doubt I'll be able to.
There haven't been any pre-trial reports, nothing really for months. I'm beginning to wonder if Benton will even file a story next Thursday. No doubt he and everyone in Gardner's circle of friends (and former friends) wish the trial were held in camera.
Peggy Fox has done a great job on this from the start, but I'm not sure she's going to cover the trial. Based on her Twitter account she's been focusing on the Severance case.
One probem for the media is that the trial may last 10 days (per the Court calendar). Not many papers or television stations are willing to cover anything continuosly for that length of time. Most media outlets have cut their staffs in recent years and haven't the resources required. There may not be any stories until a verdict is rendered.
I would very much like to attend at least one session myself but doubt I'll be able to.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 21, 2015 11:06AM
Channel 9 has posted a very brief item on the start of the trial. Nothing from the other stations as yet.
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/09/21/jury-selection-child-sex-abuse-case-against-michael-gardner/72551846/
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/09/21/jury-selection-child-sex-abuse-case-against-michael-gardner/72551846/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 22, 2015 10:18AM
FALLS CHURCH, Va. (WUSA9) -- A former political leader in the city of Falls Church was on trial again Monday on new child sex abuse charges.
Michael Gardner is charged with sexually abusing a young relative who came forward after he was released from prison last year in another child sex assault case.
In a separate case, Gardner was accused of molesting a couple of young girls at his Falls Church home in 2011. At the time they were attending a birthday party sleep-over for Gardner's daughter.
Earlier this year prosecutors also alleged Gardner was trying to find someone to kill those girls, so they couldn't testify against him.
This trial is very different from his first trial, when he was free man and walked right into the courthouse every day. Now, despite his conviction in that case being reversed he’s locked up without bond and facing trial on new child sex accusations from his own niece. The Virginia Supreme Court previously decided he didn't get a fair trial because his wife was not allowed to testify as a character witness about him being a great caretaker of children.
Defense attorneys representing the accused child molester Gardner were reprimanded by the judge Monday for asking potential jurors leading questions.
Gardner is a former Falls Church Democratic leader, and husband of Robin Gardner, a former Falls Church mayor and council member. He’s charged with two counts of aggravated sexual battery of a child in 2009.
Those allegations were a secret until September of last year, a few months after Gardner was released from prison. He was set free after his conviction in high profile 2011 child sex assault case was reversed.
The new allegations, about prior abuse, come from Gardner’s niece, who was 12 years old at the time. She is now 18 and will be testifying against her uncle.
Prosecutor Nicole Witmann told potential jurors that the niece’s allegations against her uncle trickled out over time, with a full disclosure coming when she was 17.
In a transcript of a phone call between the niece’s father and his twin who is Robin Gardner, Mrs. Gardner appears to believe the niece’s allegations.
In the 2011 case, Gardner faces a retrial on charges he sexually assaulted a nine and 10 year old girls at his daughter’s slumber party.
Opening statements could begin Tuesday. The trial is scheduled to take two weeks.
Gardner’s retrial in the slumber party case is scheduled for November 30th.
Michael Gardner is charged with sexually abusing a young relative who came forward after he was released from prison last year in another child sex assault case.
In a separate case, Gardner was accused of molesting a couple of young girls at his Falls Church home in 2011. At the time they were attending a birthday party sleep-over for Gardner's daughter.
Earlier this year prosecutors also alleged Gardner was trying to find someone to kill those girls, so they couldn't testify against him.
This trial is very different from his first trial, when he was free man and walked right into the courthouse every day. Now, despite his conviction in that case being reversed he’s locked up without bond and facing trial on new child sex accusations from his own niece. The Virginia Supreme Court previously decided he didn't get a fair trial because his wife was not allowed to testify as a character witness about him being a great caretaker of children.
Defense attorneys representing the accused child molester Gardner were reprimanded by the judge Monday for asking potential jurors leading questions.
Gardner is a former Falls Church Democratic leader, and husband of Robin Gardner, a former Falls Church mayor and council member. He’s charged with two counts of aggravated sexual battery of a child in 2009.
Those allegations were a secret until September of last year, a few months after Gardner was released from prison. He was set free after his conviction in high profile 2011 child sex assault case was reversed.
The new allegations, about prior abuse, come from Gardner’s niece, who was 12 years old at the time. She is now 18 and will be testifying against her uncle.
Prosecutor Nicole Witmann told potential jurors that the niece’s allegations against her uncle trickled out over time, with a full disclosure coming when she was 17.
In a transcript of a phone call between the niece’s father and his twin who is Robin Gardner, Mrs. Gardner appears to believe the niece’s allegations.
In the 2011 case, Gardner faces a retrial on charges he sexually assaulted a nine and 10 year old girls at his daughter’s slumber party.
Opening statements could begin Tuesday. The trial is scheduled to take two weeks.
Gardner’s retrial in the slumber party case is scheduled for November 30th.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 22, 2015 03:03PM
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Opening statements are over in the child sex abuse trial of Michael Gardner. The former Falls Church mayor's husband is charged with sexually abusing a young relative who came forward after he was released from prison last year in another child sex assault case.
Gardner is a former Falls Church Democratic leader, and husband of Robin Gardner, a former Falls Church mayor and council member. He is charged with two counts of aggravated sexual battery of a child in 2009.
Those allegations were a secret until September 2014, a few months after Gardner was released from prison. He was set free after his conviction in high profile 2011 child sex assault case was reversed.
The new allegations come from Gardner’s niece, who was 12 years old at the time. She is now 18 and will be testifying against her uncle.
Jury selection was completed Tuesday morning. Both the prosecution and defense potential jurors whether they believe the children are inherently "believable." In the end, a jury of eight men and six women (two are alternates) were chosen for the trial.
In the opening statements that followed, the prosecutor told the jury what the accuser said occurred while the defense said it would prove Gardner's alibi.
Next, the prosecution will start introducing evidence. The first witness, according to the prosecutor’s opening statements, is the therapist whom Gardner’s niece reportedly told what happened five years ago.
For updates on the trial throughout the day, follow @meghannmollerus on Twitter.
Gardner is a former Falls Church Democratic leader, and husband of Robin Gardner, a former Falls Church mayor and council member. He is charged with two counts of aggravated sexual battery of a child in 2009.
Those allegations were a secret until September 2014, a few months after Gardner was released from prison. He was set free after his conviction in high profile 2011 child sex assault case was reversed.
The new allegations come from Gardner’s niece, who was 12 years old at the time. She is now 18 and will be testifying against her uncle.
Jury selection was completed Tuesday morning. Both the prosecution and defense potential jurors whether they believe the children are inherently "believable." In the end, a jury of eight men and six women (two are alternates) were chosen for the trial.
In the opening statements that followed, the prosecutor told the jury what the accuser said occurred while the defense said it would prove Gardner's alibi.
Next, the prosecution will start introducing evidence. The first witness, according to the prosecutor’s opening statements, is the therapist whom Gardner’s niece reportedly told what happened five years ago.
For updates on the trial throughout the day, follow @meghannmollerus on Twitter.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 22, 2015 05:48PM
@how has he not taken a plea:
If you can figure that out, you're smarter than the rest us.
If you can figure that out, you're smarter than the rest us.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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COL Mustard
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Date: September 22, 2015 09:19PM
@ Old Man:
I don't think he will take a plea. I also don't think that this trial will get as much attention as the earlier one. But, if he's convicted in both trials, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets life.
I don't think he will take a plea. I also don't think that this trial will get as much attention as the earlier one. But, if he's convicted in both trials, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets life.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 23, 2015 11:05AM
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Former Falls Church Democratic Committee Chairman Michael Gardner faced a new jury Tuesday in the second child sex abuse case brought by the Commonwealth against him.
Gardner has been charged with two counts of sexual battery of a child in 2009. That child, according to the indictments, is Gardner’s then-12-year-old niece, whom prosecutors say told a therapist in 2014 she had been molested by her uncle.
In opening statements, prosecutors told the jury the alleged molestation happened when the two families were together at the Gardner’s Falls Church home Thanksgiving weekend 2009.
Gardner’s wife, Robin Gardner, is the twin sister of the accuser’s father, and prosecutors told jurors the two families were close-knit and saw each other twice a year.
Prosecutors said Gardner inappropriately touched his niece twice – once in the afternoon while she watched a movie with her cousin, Gardner’s daughter, in the master bedroom. According to prosecutors, Gardner had asked the girls if they wanted massages.
The second alleged inappropriate act, prosecutors said, happened in evening when the girls had already gone to bed and Gardner snuck into his daughter’s room. Prosecutors said after this instance, the niece told Gardner, “Go away!”
Rueda explained to the jury the niece “stayed silent”—waiting five years to tell someone about what happened because she “didn’t want her cousin to think she had a bad dad.” Rueda also said she didn’t want her parents to think they hadn’t protected her.
The defense’s opening arguments revealed defense attorneys will use an “alibi” to suggest Gardner was not at the location of the alleged crimes at the times the prosecution says they occurred.
After opening arguments, prosecutors called their first witness – the accuser’s psychotherapist, Stacy Ehrhard, to the stand. Ehrhard confirmed that she is a “mandated reporter,” meaning she was required to tell authorities when the accuser revealed to her she had been a sex abuse victim.
The prosecution then called the accuser’s mother to the stand. She said she received a phone call from Robin Gardner in 2011, and the nature of that phone call prompted her to ask her daughter if her “Uncle Mike” had inappropriately touched her. The mother said her daughter ran into the bathroom, where she shut the door and cried. Her mother told the court she didn’t push her daughter to talk about it until she started acting differently – quiet and uncaring about her appearance -- on a college visit trip. After that trip, the mother said her daughter saw the therapist.
The jury makeup is eight men and six women. Two of those jurors are alternates.
The judge told jurors the trial could take up to two weeks. Attorneys and potential witnesses are under a gag order, meaning they cannot talk about the case.
Testimony resumes at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, when the Commonwealth is expected to call more witnesses.
In a separate sex abuse case, Gardner was accused of sexually molesting three girls who attended his daughter’s 10th birthday sleepover in 2011. A jury convicted him on two counts of aggravated sexual battery and one count of object penetration related to two girls and sentenced him to 22 years in prison.
But, last year, the Virginia Supreme Court ruled to overturn the conviction and re-try the case, because a judge had improperly blocked some character testimony.
That case is expected to be re-tried this November.
Gardner has been charged with two counts of sexual battery of a child in 2009. That child, according to the indictments, is Gardner’s then-12-year-old niece, whom prosecutors say told a therapist in 2014 she had been molested by her uncle.
In opening statements, prosecutors told the jury the alleged molestation happened when the two families were together at the Gardner’s Falls Church home Thanksgiving weekend 2009.
Gardner’s wife, Robin Gardner, is the twin sister of the accuser’s father, and prosecutors told jurors the two families were close-knit and saw each other twice a year.
Prosecutors said Gardner inappropriately touched his niece twice – once in the afternoon while she watched a movie with her cousin, Gardner’s daughter, in the master bedroom. According to prosecutors, Gardner had asked the girls if they wanted massages.
The second alleged inappropriate act, prosecutors said, happened in evening when the girls had already gone to bed and Gardner snuck into his daughter’s room. Prosecutors said after this instance, the niece told Gardner, “Go away!”
Rueda explained to the jury the niece “stayed silent”—waiting five years to tell someone about what happened because she “didn’t want her cousin to think she had a bad dad.” Rueda also said she didn’t want her parents to think they hadn’t protected her.
The defense’s opening arguments revealed defense attorneys will use an “alibi” to suggest Gardner was not at the location of the alleged crimes at the times the prosecution says they occurred.
After opening arguments, prosecutors called their first witness – the accuser’s psychotherapist, Stacy Ehrhard, to the stand. Ehrhard confirmed that she is a “mandated reporter,” meaning she was required to tell authorities when the accuser revealed to her she had been a sex abuse victim.
The prosecution then called the accuser’s mother to the stand. She said she received a phone call from Robin Gardner in 2011, and the nature of that phone call prompted her to ask her daughter if her “Uncle Mike” had inappropriately touched her. The mother said her daughter ran into the bathroom, where she shut the door and cried. Her mother told the court she didn’t push her daughter to talk about it until she started acting differently – quiet and uncaring about her appearance -- on a college visit trip. After that trip, the mother said her daughter saw the therapist.
The jury makeup is eight men and six women. Two of those jurors are alternates.
The judge told jurors the trial could take up to two weeks. Attorneys and potential witnesses are under a gag order, meaning they cannot talk about the case.
Testimony resumes at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, when the Commonwealth is expected to call more witnesses.
In a separate sex abuse case, Gardner was accused of sexually molesting three girls who attended his daughter’s 10th birthday sleepover in 2011. A jury convicted him on two counts of aggravated sexual battery and one count of object penetration related to two girls and sentenced him to 22 years in prison.
But, last year, the Virginia Supreme Court ruled to overturn the conviction and re-try the case, because a judge had improperly blocked some character testimony.
That case is expected to be re-tried this November.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: September 23, 2015 01:47PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> I was thinking this would be the less interesting
> of the two trials but I was mistaken.
>
> This is the case with the taped recorded phone
> call of Robin Gardner allegedly admitting that
> Michael Gardner is a child molester.
>
> In the conversation, she is purported to say
> Michael Gardner is GUILTY of molesting the niece,
> but not guilty in the slumber party touchfest.
>
> Robin Gardner is listed as a prosecution witness
> in this one, or more likely, someone who has been
> CALLED by the prosecution. My guess is that unless
> she has had a change of heart (which I doubt, she
> seems to be going down with the ship) she will
> prove herself a hostile witness and attempt some
> type of amnesia or sabotage.
>
> Jurors will be treated to the admission, but also
> be made aware of the fact that Michael Gardner has
> other child molestation convictions. Jurors could
> have been blind to this fact without this taped
> conversation.
>
> I will be curious to hear the duration and details
> of the taped conversation, as well as any kind of
> defense or denial that fat ass tries to float
> before the court.
Here is the background and some of the text of the phone call. Last December a judge ruled that the recording could not be admitted as evidence:
A female relative of Gardner, who is now 17 and lives in New Jersey, told Falls Church police that when she was visiting over Thanksgiving weekend in 2009 when she was 12, Michael Gardner put his hands down her pants and touched her genitals and buttocks on two separate times.
The father of that girl secretly recorded three phone conversations with Robin Gardner. In them, Mrs. Gardner appears to believe the allegations and implies that her husband has admitted to molesting the relative, who is referred to as M.S. in court documents.
Mrs. Gardner says, " I feel for M.S, I am not contesting anything that she has said."
Robin Gardner also says, "Michael has said, you know, clearly, M.S. says something happened and he is not refuting that something has happened."
The father of M.S. is concerned that if it goes to trial "His lawyers will rip her apart. That's what they will try to do. That's what he is going to pay them for. Not him, you. You're going to pay them to do that. "
Robin Gardner replies, "It won't go that way." She says she, "Kind of wanted to let this current thing play out and then if M.S. wants to bring Michael up on charges...afterwards...it would be settled differently.
"Don't think that our family money is going to defend Michael against MS because that is not going to happen," Robin Gardner says in the recording.*
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/12/18/michael-gardner-falls-chuch-child-molestation/20605187/
* You will find more details if you look at the legal documents attached to the story. However, there seems to be a break in the text at one point.
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> I was thinking this would be the less interesting
> of the two trials but I was mistaken.
>
> This is the case with the taped recorded phone
> call of Robin Gardner allegedly admitting that
> Michael Gardner is a child molester.
>
> In the conversation, she is purported to say
> Michael Gardner is GUILTY of molesting the niece,
> but not guilty in the slumber party touchfest.
>
> Robin Gardner is listed as a prosecution witness
> in this one, or more likely, someone who has been
> CALLED by the prosecution. My guess is that unless
> she has had a change of heart (which I doubt, she
> seems to be going down with the ship) she will
> prove herself a hostile witness and attempt some
> type of amnesia or sabotage.
>
> Jurors will be treated to the admission, but also
> be made aware of the fact that Michael Gardner has
> other child molestation convictions. Jurors could
> have been blind to this fact without this taped
> conversation.
>
> I will be curious to hear the duration and details
> of the taped conversation, as well as any kind of
> defense or denial that fat ass tries to float
> before the court.
Here is the background and some of the text of the phone call. Last December a judge ruled that the recording could not be admitted as evidence:
A female relative of Gardner, who is now 17 and lives in New Jersey, told Falls Church police that when she was visiting over Thanksgiving weekend in 2009 when she was 12, Michael Gardner put his hands down her pants and touched her genitals and buttocks on two separate times.
The father of that girl secretly recorded three phone conversations with Robin Gardner. In them, Mrs. Gardner appears to believe the allegations and implies that her husband has admitted to molesting the relative, who is referred to as M.S. in court documents.
Mrs. Gardner says, " I feel for M.S, I am not contesting anything that she has said."
Robin Gardner also says, "Michael has said, you know, clearly, M.S. says something happened and he is not refuting that something has happened."
The father of M.S. is concerned that if it goes to trial "His lawyers will rip her apart. That's what they will try to do. That's what he is going to pay them for. Not him, you. You're going to pay them to do that. "
Robin Gardner replies, "It won't go that way." She says she, "Kind of wanted to let this current thing play out and then if M.S. wants to bring Michael up on charges...afterwards...it would be settled differently.
"Don't think that our family money is going to defend Michael against MS because that is not going to happen," Robin Gardner says in the recording.*
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/12/18/michael-gardner-falls-chuch-child-molestation/20605187/
* You will find more details if you look at the legal documents attached to the story. However, there seems to be a break in the text at one point.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 23, 2015 07:09PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Ben Dover
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Date: September 23, 2015 10:50PM
FYI, the prosecution is considering a dismal plea deal tomorrow. In no way does this represent the best interest of the victims or the pursuit of justice!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Ben Dover
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Date: September 23, 2015 11:03PM
Yea, SO fuck her! She definitely knew what was going on and deserves to go to jail as an accessory. Not to mention perjury. She is the Madam of Minors!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 24, 2015 08:25AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Ben Dover
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Date: September 24, 2015 11:43AM
This is simply the prosecutors dropping the ball since they are no longer permitted to be on tv, which they both highly enjoyed. Once this case could no longer advance their careers, they stabbed these little girls in the back with a smile on their face. SHAME on them!!! I can also assure you two of three victims were and are very eager to testify. THAT would bring closure. This is a surrender guised in what's "best" for the victims. There's a special place in hell for cowards like these. Total betrayal of these innocent girls! Carma is a bitch and I pray it bites both these women back as hard as they screwed these little kids over.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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The Old Man in FC
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Date: September 24, 2015 12:39PM
Absolutely nothing on the trial in today's Falls Church News-Press.
The news media often reveal their greatest bias in choosing what not to report. Benton's non-coverage of the proceedings probably is the greatest example of news bias I have ever seen.
The news media often reveal their greatest bias in choosing what not to report. Benton's non-coverage of the proceedings probably is the greatest example of news bias I have ever seen.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Tolson Esq.
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Date: September 24, 2015 12:48PM
It's that nest o' pedofags in Falls Church! They control the courts and the media!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
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Date: September 24, 2015 12:49PM
@Old Man: Are you surprised that Nick isn't covering this case? I think he has almost a vested interest in protecting his friends.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 24, 2015 01:15PM
COL Mustard Wrote:
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> @Old Man: Are you surprised that Nick isn't
> covering this case? I think he has almost a
> vested interest in protecting his friends.
I'm not really surprised. This is thoroughly in character and more or less what I had expected. We will see what happens as the case continues. If Gardner is convicted Benton likely will continue to ignore the story. On the other hand, if there's a different outcome he'll probably mention it, and the more favorable the results, the more coverage he'll offer.
It's just that the man's hypocrisy is breathtaking. Sadly, few people in FC are willing to call him out.
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> @Old Man: Are you surprised that Nick isn't
> covering this case? I think he has almost a
> vested interest in protecting his friends.
I'm not really surprised. This is thoroughly in character and more or less what I had expected. We will see what happens as the case continues. If Gardner is convicted Benton likely will continue to ignore the story. On the other hand, if there's a different outcome he'll probably mention it, and the more favorable the results, the more coverage he'll offer.
It's just that the man's hypocrisy is breathtaking. Sadly, few people in FC are willing to call him out.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 24, 2015 02:40PM
Complete travesty of justice. Wittman and rueda gave up WAY more than what even the defense was asking for while only asking the gag order be lifted so they can legally self promote. Hell is waiting for them both and I pray it doesn't have to wait long. All families and victims were present and asking only for full allocution which was ignored, then waived by prosecution "team". How very sad!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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The Old Man in FC
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Date: September 24, 2015 03:13PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 24, 2015 03:15PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: September 24, 2015 03:30PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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how long locally?
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Date: September 24, 2015 03:43PM
How long will he be spending at the luxurious Arlington Hilton, I mean jail?
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Great Day
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Date: September 24, 2015 04:45PM
The Plea also includes 20 years of probation which includes not being alone with minors, cant live close to schools parks etc. no porn of any kind, and regular lie detector test to make sure of compliance with the the terms of the probation. A violation could send him back for the rest of the sentence. By pleading guilty he has also waived any right to appeal.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
White Van Syndrome
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Date: September 24, 2015 05:29PM
"there was always the risk of one liberal asshole on the jury to hold out and prolong this even more."
Good old reliable Wingnutty....
Good old reliable Wingnutty....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
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Date: September 24, 2015 05:39PM
I wouldn't mind an adversary surrendering, I do mind the unwarranted surrender of an appointed prosecuting team. Keep in mind, his next "crop" of victims will be born in just 2-5 years from now based on his release date assuming he doesn't get out early. As far as self educating yourself with actual fact... Anything is possible.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: September 24, 2015 05:54PM
Benton has run a brief story, with a flattering (relatively speaking), four year old photo of Gardner:
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/24/michael-gardner-pleads-guilty-in-2-child-abuse-cases/
Hopefully we will learn more in the next day or so, though surely not in the News-Press.
Presumably he took the plea to spare Robin from an indictment, to spare his niece from testifying, and to avoid the retrial on the 2011 charges.
If the Court has ordered protection for Robin I have to assume she has received threats. What did she know, when did she know it, and what steps did she take to obstruct justice? Given that she has received immunity we may never know the answers to such questions, but it's hard for me to accept she ever really believed him.
So much anguish could have been avoided had he pled guilty four years ago. The way that he and Robin fought this as long and as hard as they did seems to almost qualify as a separate crime.
Just a few years ago the Gardners were FC's power couple, the city's version of Bill and Hill, though with the roles reversed. She was the shmoozing politician and he was the bullying enforcer. Now both have been brought lower than they ever could have imagined.
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/24/michael-gardner-pleads-guilty-in-2-child-abuse-cases/
Hopefully we will learn more in the next day or so, though surely not in the News-Press.
Presumably he took the plea to spare Robin from an indictment, to spare his niece from testifying, and to avoid the retrial on the 2011 charges.
If the Court has ordered protection for Robin I have to assume she has received threats. What did she know, when did she know it, and what steps did she take to obstruct justice? Given that she has received immunity we may never know the answers to such questions, but it's hard for me to accept she ever really believed him.
So much anguish could have been avoided had he pled guilty four years ago. The way that he and Robin fought this as long and as hard as they did seems to almost qualify as a separate crime.
Just a few years ago the Gardners were FC's power couple, the city's version of Bill and Hill, though with the roles reversed. She was the shmoozing politician and he was the bullying enforcer. Now both have been brought lower than they ever could have imagined.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
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Date: September 24, 2015 06:12PM
Would have been very easy to prosecute her and deservedly so. The prosecution and U.S. Atty offered additional protections to her(for various crimes), NOT because she was ever in any kind of danger. Btw, his niece had already testified and he realized what was happening to him. That's also why this surrender by the prosecution is so contradictory to any semblance of justice.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: September 24, 2015 06:35PM
The City of Falls Church issued the following release a few minutes ago:
Gardner Pleads Guilty, to Serve 20 Years
Thursday, September 24, 2015 -- Michael A. Gardner, 51, entered guilty pleas today to one count of object sexual penetration and four counts of aggravated sexual battery. Gardner was sentenced to 40 years, 20 of those suspended and supervised probation for life. Once released, he will be required to register as a Sex Offender and will not be permitted to unsupervised contact with minors, the victims, or their families.
The plea agreement was reached on the second day of a trial for sexually assaulting his niece when she was 12. A retrial was set to begin in November for Gardner’s sexual assault of two 10 year old girls at his daughter’s slumber party; that trial is negated with the guilty pleas.
Alejandra Rueda and Nicole Wittmann of the Commonwealth Attorney's Office received the agreement today during the trial. “We are pleased that the victims have closure and finality,” said Wittmann. “I’m confident that other children will be protected based on this result.”
"I am very proud of all of stakeholders in the Criminal Justice System particularly the victims in this case" said City of Falls Church Police Chief Mary Gavin. "The four little girls displayed tremendous courage and strength. The Falls Church Police Department is grateful to all mutual aid law enforcement partners from Federal, State and Local organizations. Det. Sonya Richardson, the lead investigator, as well as peer detectives and supervisors throughout the past four years worked diligently and often to exhaustion to ensure a comprehensive and thorough investigation. The Loudoun County Commonwealth Attorney’s Nicole Wittmann and Alexandra Rueda worked tirelessly to ensure justice was served for the four victims, their families and the entire community."
Gardner Pleads Guilty, to Serve 20 Years
Thursday, September 24, 2015 -- Michael A. Gardner, 51, entered guilty pleas today to one count of object sexual penetration and four counts of aggravated sexual battery. Gardner was sentenced to 40 years, 20 of those suspended and supervised probation for life. Once released, he will be required to register as a Sex Offender and will not be permitted to unsupervised contact with minors, the victims, or their families.
The plea agreement was reached on the second day of a trial for sexually assaulting his niece when she was 12. A retrial was set to begin in November for Gardner’s sexual assault of two 10 year old girls at his daughter’s slumber party; that trial is negated with the guilty pleas.
Alejandra Rueda and Nicole Wittmann of the Commonwealth Attorney's Office received the agreement today during the trial. “We are pleased that the victims have closure and finality,” said Wittmann. “I’m confident that other children will be protected based on this result.”
"I am very proud of all of stakeholders in the Criminal Justice System particularly the victims in this case" said City of Falls Church Police Chief Mary Gavin. "The four little girls displayed tremendous courage and strength. The Falls Church Police Department is grateful to all mutual aid law enforcement partners from Federal, State and Local organizations. Det. Sonya Richardson, the lead investigator, as well as peer detectives and supervisors throughout the past four years worked diligently and often to exhaustion to ensure a comprehensive and thorough investigation. The Loudoun County Commonwealth Attorney’s Nicole Wittmann and Alexandra Rueda worked tirelessly to ensure justice was served for the four victims, their families and the entire community."
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Questioning Questioner
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Date: September 24, 2015 07:07PM
Hmm, this trial takes place just as the Pope arrives...a coincidence or the occasion for some back door Vatican deals? Anything is possible with these liberal pedofags...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
my take my take
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Date: September 24, 2015 07:37PM
Ben Dover - I understand your sentiments. This plea deal, however, makes sense. 20 years is long period of time (I understand his obtaining credit for time served), and he will be in his late 60's whe he gets out. Finding a place to live then will be difficult, getting by will be difficult, staying clean on probation will be difficult, his ability to make a living as a poltical gadfly will be eclipsed, and this is all assuming that an effete, progressive self centered sex offender with a lifetime spent telling others what to do (e.g. read his Blue Weeds rants) will escape with any semblance of health at the end of his prison term.
My guess is - I don't know - that the afflicted families thought this was a good outcome too under the circumstances. If so, that is an important factor for the prosecutors.
I do agree with you that it was unfortunate that the niece had to testify (if this is the case). But Robin Gardner obtained immunity for a reason, and the writing was likely on the wall that their children (innocent victims really) could soon be without two parents. A plea deal again makes sense. Robin Gardner's protection likely has to do with the prisoner or prisoners who were involved in the alleged death threat imbroglio.
What I am curious about is the core group of people who defended this guy.
Query whether they will come on FFX Underground and now give their perspective? I wouldn't bet on it. But I would welcome it. Recall when death penalty recipient Roger Keith Coleman had DNA evidence examined years after his death (in Virginia) in an effort to exonerate him. The opposite happened - it confirmed his guilt beyond a molecule of any doubt, and while many of his supporters shied away from commenting - a minister (James McCloskey) who supported him did the stand-up thing and confessed he was fooled and indeed naive and unrealistic. With tragic situations, doing a stand-up thing helps heal.
I also got the vibe that many here were giving grief to Wingnut because he was bluntly stating a case against a progressive politico, and his views just did not want to be read by people sharing progressive political views. Query whether anyone will admit to this now? (And I find it hard to believe anyone who reads this board was truly offended by his term pedofag - really, with the stuff that gets posted on here?)
Bravo to the young women who testified in the prior case and in this case. What they did wasn't easy. Now these are stand-up persons, and I hope that the develop into independent, strong and empowered young people (and I hope that for the Gardner kids as well - young people can recover and do well even with flawed parents).
My guess is - I don't know - that the afflicted families thought this was a good outcome too under the circumstances. If so, that is an important factor for the prosecutors.
I do agree with you that it was unfortunate that the niece had to testify (if this is the case). But Robin Gardner obtained immunity for a reason, and the writing was likely on the wall that their children (innocent victims really) could soon be without two parents. A plea deal again makes sense. Robin Gardner's protection likely has to do with the prisoner or prisoners who were involved in the alleged death threat imbroglio.
What I am curious about is the core group of people who defended this guy.
Query whether they will come on FFX Underground and now give their perspective? I wouldn't bet on it. But I would welcome it. Recall when death penalty recipient Roger Keith Coleman had DNA evidence examined years after his death (in Virginia) in an effort to exonerate him. The opposite happened - it confirmed his guilt beyond a molecule of any doubt, and while many of his supporters shied away from commenting - a minister (James McCloskey) who supported him did the stand-up thing and confessed he was fooled and indeed naive and unrealistic. With tragic situations, doing a stand-up thing helps heal.
I also got the vibe that many here were giving grief to Wingnut because he was bluntly stating a case against a progressive politico, and his views just did not want to be read by people sharing progressive political views. Query whether anyone will admit to this now? (And I find it hard to believe anyone who reads this board was truly offended by his term pedofag - really, with the stuff that gets posted on here?)
Bravo to the young women who testified in the prior case and in this case. What they did wasn't easy. Now these are stand-up persons, and I hope that the develop into independent, strong and empowered young people (and I hope that for the Gardner kids as well - young people can recover and do well even with flawed parents).
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
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Date: September 24, 2015 07:44PM
Aaaahhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Thank you very much! I needed a good laugh tonight.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
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Date: September 24, 2015 08:11PM
Dearest who the fuck ever, tell me... which political party wants their kids assaulted??? NIETHER! That has nothing to do with this. Let's think, a wealthy parolee that has already attempted to flee jurisdiction...hhmmm. Did you know that it's illegal to run red lights or exceed the posted speed limit? People do this everyday in case you were unaware. By their own admission on the news tonight, because the case where his niece DID testify was going so well and his wife could face serious charges on multiple levels, prompted him to offer this plea. Please, don't ever pretend to have these victims best interest at heart. You sound as phony as the prosecutors!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 24, 2015 09:08PM
Benton has taken another crack at the story. Unlike the televison stations, he doesn't mention Gardner was a Democrat.
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/24/michael-gardner-pleads-guilty-in-2-child-abuse-cases-2/
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/24/michael-gardner-pleads-guilty-in-2-child-abuse-cases-2/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 24, 2015 09:51PM
my take my take Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I do agree with you that it was unfortunate that
> the niece had to testify (if this is the case).
> But Robin Gardner obtained immunity for a reason,
> and the writing was likely on the wall that their
> children (innocent victims really) could soon be
> without two parents. A plea deal again makes
> sense. Robin Gardner's protection likely has to
> do with the prisoner or prisoners who were
> involved in the alleged death threat imbroglio.
I have mixed feelings about this. Having lost one parent it would be very hard for the Gardner twins to lose the other one. However, Robin probably should have been charged at the very least with obstruction of justice. I hope she understands that she has been treated very leniently. If nothing else she should resign from the vestry of Falls Church Episcopal. She has no business serving the Church in any capacity.
> What I am curious about is the core group of
> people who defended this guy.
> Query whether they will come on FFX Underground
> and now give their perspective? I wouldn't bet on
> it. But I would welcome it. Recall when death
> penalty recipient Roger Keith Coleman had DNA
> evidence examined years after his death (in
> Virginia) in an effort to exonerate him. The
> opposite happened - it confirmed his guilt beyond
> a molecule of any doubt, and while many of his
> supporters shied away from commenting - a minister
> (James McCloskey) who supported him did the
> stand-up thing and confessed he was fooled and
> indeed naive and unrealistic. With tragic
> situations, doing a stand-up thing helps heal.
I remember the Coleman case very well. Time Magazine put him on the cover. The minister did the honorable thing when he acknowledged his error. Unfortunately I don't expect any of Gardner's legion of defenders to be contrite. I'll be shocked if any of them come forward, here or elsewhere. Sociopaths are clever and often fool people, but there was a point in this case (fairly early on) when Gardner's supporters should have seen him for what he was.
> Bravo to the young women who testified in the
> prior case and in this case. What they did
> wasn't easy. Now these are stand-up persons, and
> I hope that the develop into independent, strong
> and empowered young people (and I hope that for
> the Gardner kids as well - young people can
> recover and do well even with flawed parents).
Amen
-------------------------------------------------------
> I do agree with you that it was unfortunate that
> the niece had to testify (if this is the case).
> But Robin Gardner obtained immunity for a reason,
> and the writing was likely on the wall that their
> children (innocent victims really) could soon be
> without two parents. A plea deal again makes
> sense. Robin Gardner's protection likely has to
> do with the prisoner or prisoners who were
> involved in the alleged death threat imbroglio.
I have mixed feelings about this. Having lost one parent it would be very hard for the Gardner twins to lose the other one. However, Robin probably should have been charged at the very least with obstruction of justice. I hope she understands that she has been treated very leniently. If nothing else she should resign from the vestry of Falls Church Episcopal. She has no business serving the Church in any capacity.
> What I am curious about is the core group of
> people who defended this guy.
> Query whether they will come on FFX Underground
> and now give their perspective? I wouldn't bet on
> it. But I would welcome it. Recall when death
> penalty recipient Roger Keith Coleman had DNA
> evidence examined years after his death (in
> Virginia) in an effort to exonerate him. The
> opposite happened - it confirmed his guilt beyond
> a molecule of any doubt, and while many of his
> supporters shied away from commenting - a minister
> (James McCloskey) who supported him did the
> stand-up thing and confessed he was fooled and
> indeed naive and unrealistic. With tragic
> situations, doing a stand-up thing helps heal.
I remember the Coleman case very well. Time Magazine put him on the cover. The minister did the honorable thing when he acknowledged his error. Unfortunately I don't expect any of Gardner's legion of defenders to be contrite. I'll be shocked if any of them come forward, here or elsewhere. Sociopaths are clever and often fool people, but there was a point in this case (fairly early on) when Gardner's supporters should have seen him for what he was.
> Bravo to the young women who testified in the
> prior case and in this case. What they did
> wasn't easy. Now these are stand-up persons, and
> I hope that the develop into independent, strong
> and empowered young people (and I hope that for
> the Gardner kids as well - young people can
> recover and do well even with flawed parents).
Amen
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: September 25, 2015 08:15AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2015 12:17AM by WingNut.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 25, 2015 10:07AM
This president grew up with almost no parents. Now he has lied, cheated and stole his way into most everything in his life so there may be merit to that argument. However, this is about two attys that quit on these girls after saying many times over many years that they would never do that! These girls were told to take this "deal" or he'd likely go free which scared the hell out of them. That's just wrong if not morally bankrupt. Case closed? Fuck you! Get some facts and come back because it's no fun having a discussion with a complete idiot. I'll be waiting:)
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 25, 2015 11:33AM
Today I find the WaPo has completely ignored the story. Nothing in print and I can't find anything online.
For all my criticism of Nick Benton he at least has run something on the FCNP website, though I doubt he'll place it on the front page next Thursday.
For all my criticism of Nick Benton he at least has run something on the FCNP website, though I doubt he'll place it on the front page next Thursday.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Melancholy Sadness
()
Date: September 25, 2015 11:37AM
I plan on going to GordonBlvd's grave this afternoon. She was another victim of Gardner.
I'll tell her that her work is done, and she can rest now.
I'll tell her that her work is done, and she can rest now.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 25, 2015 02:40PM
It ain't over till it's over. - Yogi Berra, America's philosopher king.
Well, for some folks, it still ain't over:
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/25/michael-gardners-sister-insists-on-his-innocence/
Well, for some folks, it still ain't over:
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/25/michael-gardners-sister-insists-on-his-innocence/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
unbelievable
()
Date: September 25, 2015 02:51PM
The Old Man in FC Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It ain't over till it's over. - Yogi Berra,
> America's philosopher king.
>
> Well, for some folks, it still ain't over:
>
> http://fcnp.com/2015/09/25/michael-gardners-sister
> -insists-on-his-innocence/
What a sick bitch.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It ain't over till it's over. - Yogi Berra,
> America's philosopher king.
>
> Well, for some folks, it still ain't over:
>
> http://fcnp.com/2015/09/25/michael-gardners-sister
> -insists-on-his-innocence/
What a sick bitch.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 25, 2015 02:55PM
In regards to the misconduct hearing for Whitman and rueda, I'd like to know if rueda lied to the court, or to the families for 13 months never saying that MS-13 gang leader was the "Real and serious threat" to the kids involved in the murder for hire plot, not the joker they tried to use. They both used this time to protect themselves and their families and their homes against a threat that "didn't exist", while leaving the kids ACTUALLY involved with little or no protection.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dovet
()
Date: September 25, 2015 03:05PM
Thanks for that link, I think. I agree, hopefully she is barren and can't pass on her inbred fucked up gene pool! But if so, there's a lot of sick fuckers out there just like her brother that may bring this back to her doorstep. Karma is an unforgiving bitch! Just like her and his guilty ass cunt of a wife.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 25, 2015 03:51PM
OH, and if you noticed, she made reference to the fact that her brother did not do a full alucution as required but waived by Wittman and rueda. This just gets worse and worse.... These two have been playing both ends against the middle for years now. End game? One is hoping for a promotion, one is hoping for a judgeship. Neither of which is deserved and contrary to the betterment of our community. If the REAL truth came out, it would be extremely difficult to see how they could keep their jobs never mind get a taxpayer funded promotion.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Do they have ky in prision.
()
Date: September 25, 2015 11:20PM
Ben Dover, just think about how much ben dovering Gardner will be doing for the next 17 years and maybe that will cheer you up. You know darn good and well he won't get time off for good behavior. And more than likely if he makes it through, He won't be out for long before he violates his parole and has to serve the remaining 20 years.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Parole Officer
()
Date: September 25, 2015 11:59PM
So when will he be eligible for parole or does that have to be determined at a later date?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
No parole
()
Date: September 26, 2015 01:29AM
Virginia has no parole. You can get some time off for good behavior, but you must serve 85% of your sentence.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
New video...
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Date: September 26, 2015 04:45AM
Gardner's molestation victim speaks out
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/2015/09/25/gardners-molestation-victim-speaks-out/72838754/
He's already been sentenced to 20 years in prison for molesting young girls. Tonight we're hearing from one of Michael Gardner's victims. (WUSA video at the link)
Peggy Fox, WUSA 10 p.m. EDT September 25, 2015
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Michael Gardner has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for the sexually abusing four young girls. Now, one of his victims is speaking out exclusively to Peggy Fox, who has covered the case since Gardner was arrested in 2011.
The Gardners were a well-connected political power couple in Falls Church. He was a Democratic Party leader, and she had been the mayor and council member. When he was arrested, many refused to believe the allegations. The case divided the city.
The child sex assault case rocked the small historic city of Falls Church. Michael Gardner and his wife political power couple, he as the head of the democratic party in Falls Church, and she the mayor.
"The vindication that these children have gotten through this process is worth it. It's so worth it," said Sonya Richardson, the lead detective in both child molestation cases.
"These little girls were 9 and 10 years old. And from the very first interviews, they stuck to the same story because they were telling the truth," said Richardson.
His wife, Robin Gardner, a former mayor and council member, stuck by him. Even after he was convicted of molesting two girls at his daughter's slumber party in 2011.
"When you're child tells you something like this happened, you believe them," said Richardson.
His conviction was thrown out on a technicality, but after he was released, his niece came forward with allegations he had done the same to her when she was 12. The niece, now 18, testified in a new trial on Wednesday.
Then Thursday, Gardner agreed to plead guilty to molesting his niece and three other girls from the 2011 case, the deal gives him a 20 year sentence behind bars.
One of the now 14-year-victims who talked to WUSA9 said she wishes her abuser received more time.
"I knew he attacked me. I knew it was him. We were telling the truth the entire time," she said.
Her parents say they don't expect an apology from Gardner, because he pleaded in order to protect his wife. A phone call recording in which Robin Gardner appears to acknowledge the abuse of her niece was about to be played in court when Gardner entered his plea deal.
"Some people are still confused and not willing to be involved and stand up and say what's wrong is wrong," said Kris Rice, the girl's mother.
Gardner was also accused of a murder for hire plot, allegedly he tried to hire someone to kill the child victims, along with the detectives and prosecutors. His plea deal includes immunity from prosecution in that case, and it includes immunity for Robin Gardner in both.
By the way, the girl has decided she wants to be prosecutor some day.
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/2015/09/25/gardners-molestation-victim-speaks-out/72838754/
He's already been sentenced to 20 years in prison for molesting young girls. Tonight we're hearing from one of Michael Gardner's victims. (WUSA video at the link)
Peggy Fox, WUSA 10 p.m. EDT September 25, 2015
ARLINGTON, Va. (WUSA9) -- Michael Gardner has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for the sexually abusing four young girls. Now, one of his victims is speaking out exclusively to Peggy Fox, who has covered the case since Gardner was arrested in 2011.
The Gardners were a well-connected political power couple in Falls Church. He was a Democratic Party leader, and she had been the mayor and council member. When he was arrested, many refused to believe the allegations. The case divided the city.
The child sex assault case rocked the small historic city of Falls Church. Michael Gardner and his wife political power couple, he as the head of the democratic party in Falls Church, and she the mayor.
"The vindication that these children have gotten through this process is worth it. It's so worth it," said Sonya Richardson, the lead detective in both child molestation cases.
"These little girls were 9 and 10 years old. And from the very first interviews, they stuck to the same story because they were telling the truth," said Richardson.
His wife, Robin Gardner, a former mayor and council member, stuck by him. Even after he was convicted of molesting two girls at his daughter's slumber party in 2011.
"When you're child tells you something like this happened, you believe them," said Richardson.
His conviction was thrown out on a technicality, but after he was released, his niece came forward with allegations he had done the same to her when she was 12. The niece, now 18, testified in a new trial on Wednesday.
Then Thursday, Gardner agreed to plead guilty to molesting his niece and three other girls from the 2011 case, the deal gives him a 20 year sentence behind bars.
One of the now 14-year-victims who talked to WUSA9 said she wishes her abuser received more time.
"I knew he attacked me. I knew it was him. We were telling the truth the entire time," she said.
Her parents say they don't expect an apology from Gardner, because he pleaded in order to protect his wife. A phone call recording in which Robin Gardner appears to acknowledge the abuse of her niece was about to be played in court when Gardner entered his plea deal.
"Some people are still confused and not willing to be involved and stand up and say what's wrong is wrong," said Kris Rice, the girl's mother.
Gardner was also accused of a murder for hire plot, allegedly he tried to hire someone to kill the child victims, along with the detectives and prosecutors. His plea deal includes immunity from prosecution in that case, and it includes immunity for Robin Gardner in both.
By the way, the girl has decided she wants to be prosecutor some day.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 26, 2015 12:54PM
Here is the statement issued Friday morning by Garnder's sister. I posted a link on the previous page to the FCNP story but had no time to comment yesterday.
“It is with a heavy heart that I inform you that this afternoon Michael took a deal to protect his family. The deal ensured that Robin and the kids would remain safe and be free from prosecution. We were winning the trial…we proved that things did not happen as was being related…but when the prosecution AND the judge showed that they were willing to go after Robin with the same vitriol that they went after Michael, Michael gave them what they wanted."
-----What she doesn't say is that Robin was on the prosecution's witness list and that her testimony likely would have been damaging to both of them. From that point on they would not have been "winning", if they ever were.
“Michael will serve 20 years, less time served and good behavior. Robin and the kids will be left alone….Michael was always willing to gamble with his life, but never Robin’s and the kids. He loves his family too much to allow them to go through the horrors that he was these last four years."
-----So in her eyes he is both innocent victim and classical hero, the selfless husband and father, battered by the law but unbroken in spirit.
“We all stood behind Michael this afternoon as he made his plea. The judge asked if he was guilty of the crimes and Michael’s response was “I am pleading guilty.” When the judge asked Michael’s profession, Michael turned to his attorneys and asked if he could claim he was a lion tamer….in typical Michael fashion.
-----Defiant to the end in the face of all the evidence. And such quick wit or was this an implied reference to Daniel 6? Actually the more accurate analogy would have the girls first in the lion's den.
“Please know that his family and friends were there with him during this difficult decision. He made this decision in the best interest of his family. His friends and family know the truth. We know that Michael NEVER did any of the things that he was accused of doing. We still stand behind him 100 percent."
-----They all are secure in their delusion, though their only real knowledge here is his word.
“By taking this plea, Michael has knowingly forfeited his right to appeal. There is no justice in the justice system. Michael tried so hard to bring it to light, but his best efforts failed. We, his family, continue to support him. Please continue your support so that Michael is not forgotten."
-----So it's the system that's failed Gardner, not Gardner who failed the system. I doubt his family and friends will forget him. His victims certianly won't.
“Thank you to all of you who showed support by writing letters, by taking his calls, and by going to see him. It has been greatly appreciated.”
-----I'm sure it was and I'm sure there are those outside his family circle who still believe in his innocence, but how deep is their belief and how willing will they be to proclaim it? I don't expect them to start wearing "Free Michael Gardner" T-shirts.
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/25/michael-gardners-sister-insists-on-his-innocence/
“It is with a heavy heart that I inform you that this afternoon Michael took a deal to protect his family. The deal ensured that Robin and the kids would remain safe and be free from prosecution. We were winning the trial…we proved that things did not happen as was being related…but when the prosecution AND the judge showed that they were willing to go after Robin with the same vitriol that they went after Michael, Michael gave them what they wanted."
-----What she doesn't say is that Robin was on the prosecution's witness list and that her testimony likely would have been damaging to both of them. From that point on they would not have been "winning", if they ever were.
“Michael will serve 20 years, less time served and good behavior. Robin and the kids will be left alone….Michael was always willing to gamble with his life, but never Robin’s and the kids. He loves his family too much to allow them to go through the horrors that he was these last four years."
-----So in her eyes he is both innocent victim and classical hero, the selfless husband and father, battered by the law but unbroken in spirit.
“We all stood behind Michael this afternoon as he made his plea. The judge asked if he was guilty of the crimes and Michael’s response was “I am pleading guilty.” When the judge asked Michael’s profession, Michael turned to his attorneys and asked if he could claim he was a lion tamer….in typical Michael fashion.
-----Defiant to the end in the face of all the evidence. And such quick wit or was this an implied reference to Daniel 6? Actually the more accurate analogy would have the girls first in the lion's den.
“Please know that his family and friends were there with him during this difficult decision. He made this decision in the best interest of his family. His friends and family know the truth. We know that Michael NEVER did any of the things that he was accused of doing. We still stand behind him 100 percent."
-----They all are secure in their delusion, though their only real knowledge here is his word.
“By taking this plea, Michael has knowingly forfeited his right to appeal. There is no justice in the justice system. Michael tried so hard to bring it to light, but his best efforts failed. We, his family, continue to support him. Please continue your support so that Michael is not forgotten."
-----So it's the system that's failed Gardner, not Gardner who failed the system. I doubt his family and friends will forget him. His victims certianly won't.
“Thank you to all of you who showed support by writing letters, by taking his calls, and by going to see him. It has been greatly appreciated.”
-----I'm sure it was and I'm sure there are those outside his family circle who still believe in his innocence, but how deep is their belief and how willing will they be to proclaim it? I don't expect them to start wearing "Free Michael Gardner" T-shirts.
http://fcnp.com/2015/09/25/michael-gardners-sister-insists-on-his-innocence/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
the new poke man
()
Date: September 26, 2015 06:01PM
Took a deal to protect his family? Bullshit. He took a deal because he figured that getting ass raped for twenty years is better than getting ass raped for life.
Justice will be served in the showers
Justice will be served in the showers
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ksjafwejf;
()
Date: September 26, 2015 06:15PM
Short article with few details in WAPO, but it did mention he is a Dem:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/former-falls-church-political-leader-pleads-guilty-in-child-molestation-cases/2015/09/25/00c504aa-6300-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/former-falls-church-political-leader-pleads-guilty-in-child-molestation-cases/2015/09/25/00c504aa-6300-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gardners poop shoot
()
Date: September 26, 2015 09:37PM
What gets pumped harder than $1.97 gasoline? Mike Gardner's colon.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Anal cream pie
()
Date: September 26, 2015 09:55PM
Survey:
A) Does Mike understand and come to grip with his fate and pick the biggest guy in the clink to service on day one only to later be sold and traded to everyone?
Or
B) Mike tries to save his bung by paying someone off only to have the guy turn him out and sell him to everyone?
I guess it doesn't matter, either way Mike will be getting poked like a Capri Sun pouch.
A) Does Mike understand and come to grip with his fate and pick the biggest guy in the clink to service on day one only to later be sold and traded to everyone?
Or
B) Mike tries to save his bung by paying someone off only to have the guy turn him out and sell him to everyone?
I guess it doesn't matter, either way Mike will be getting poked like a Capri Sun pouch.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Richard Nixon
()
Date: September 27, 2015 08:56AM
I'll bet he is dead within five years, either natural causes or ass rape.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 27, 2015 11:39PM
While I agree with most sentiments, they are exactly that. All this is small ball and post mortem to boot. The best way now to minimize the threat to our community is to hold accountable those that betrayed all of our trust. If Peggy Fox is the only one willing to seek the truth, so be it. But the truth will come out. The prosecutors( wittman and rueda)by thier own words and statements lay out a long series of lies and manipulation in effort to cover their own ass and further their careers. All of which left themselves and their families AND their neighbors well protected while not even bothering to notify the actual people in jeopardy. This is and was an apauling act and should in every right be answered for by both of these "ladies" of the court.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: September 28, 2015 09:31AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 10:33AM
That is only one piece to this travesty puzzle. Both prosecutors independently waived the states right to his FULL alocution which was yet another slap in the face to all these victims. To willfully deny these girls that closer is absolutely reprehensible! All of this with giving his bitch wife full and complete immunity is totally baffling to when when her illegal acts are so clear. The only way any of this makes sense(still bullshit though), is to frame it in what's best for the prosecutors careers. Shame on them!!!!! They have no honor and hopefully, God is watching.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 10:36AM
Wingnut, FYI you have many fans here in the community. Keep it up
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: September 28, 2015 11:11AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 11:52AM
Unlike you,I suppose, I will not be served a shit sandwich, forced to eat it, then smile and say tank you. That will never happen, you might as well kill me! Nor will I bury my head in the sand and go quietly into the night. If I go down, I'm going down swinging. I do not seek approval nor tacid authority from anyone.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 28, 2015 11:54AM
Godspeed.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Nut that rocks the cradle
()
Date: September 28, 2015 03:31PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Godspeed.
Obsessed with some dude who has been convicted and serving the time. Why?
Something in your past?
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> Godspeed.
Obsessed with some dude who has been convicted and serving the time. Why?
Something in your past?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 08:10PM
He who casts the first stone...sounds like your the one who wants to take a pounding! Lmfao!! That can always be arranged if you are able to find those little peas you so generously call balls. Anytime you fucking pussy!!! If your not interested then simply don't read along. No one is twisting your arm,,,yet.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
L Ron Hubbub
()
Date: September 28, 2015 08:19PM
Ben Dover Wrote:
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> He who casts the first stone...sounds like your
> the one who wants to take a pounding! Lmfao!! That
> can always be arranged if you are able to find
> those little peas you so generously call balls.
> Anytime you fucking pussy!!! If your not
> interested then simply don't read along. No one is
> twisting your arm,,,yet.
Oh no, an internet vigilante! Strangely fascinated with male genitalia..
"No one is twisting your arm...yet."
Not sure what that means...
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> He who casts the first stone...sounds like your
> the one who wants to take a pounding! Lmfao!! That
> can always be arranged if you are able to find
> those little peas you so generously call balls.
> Anytime you fucking pussy!!! If your not
> interested then simply don't read along. No one is
> twisting your arm,,,yet.
Oh no, an internet vigilante! Strangely fascinated with male genitalia..
"No one is twisting your arm...yet."
Not sure what that means...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Skool Daze
()
Date: September 28, 2015 08:20PM
Ben Dover Wrote:
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> He who casts the first stone...sounds like your
> the one who wants to take a pounding! Lmfao!! That
> can always be arranged if you are able to find
> those little peas you so generously call balls.
> Anytime you fucking pussy!!! If your not
> interested then simply don't read along. No one is
> twisting your arm,,,yet.
Finished your homework?
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> He who casts the first stone...sounds like your
> the one who wants to take a pounding! Lmfao!! That
> can always be arranged if you are able to find
> those little peas you so generously call balls.
> Anytime you fucking pussy!!! If your not
> interested then simply don't read along. No one is
> twisting your arm,,,yet.
Finished your homework?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 09:12PM
Aaawwww poor baby! Was someone mean to you? Should we kiss your boo boo n make it all better? God, I hate fucking cowards! Your a great example of what this country was NOT built on. Crawl back into whatever hole you climbed out of.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed onlooker
()
Date: September 28, 2015 09:27PM
Ben Dover Wrote:
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> Aaawwww poor baby! Was someone mean to you? Should
> we kiss your boo boo n make it all better? God, I
> hate fucking cowards! Your a great example of what
> this country was NOT built on. Crawl back into
> whatever hole you climbed out of.
It might help if you made it clear who you were addressing. I assume it was your partner, Wingnut. Did you two have a fight?
And please get that pesky your/you're thing sorted out...
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> Aaawwww poor baby! Was someone mean to you? Should
> we kiss your boo boo n make it all better? God, I
> hate fucking cowards! Your a great example of what
> this country was NOT built on. Crawl back into
> whatever hole you climbed out of.
It might help if you made it clear who you were addressing. I assume it was your partner, Wingnut. Did you two have a fight?
And please get that pesky your/you're thing sorted out...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 09:55PM
I can only guess that English is your second language and if you have a problem with autocorrect, get in line and take it up with Apple you idiot. Sweeping my floor is more interesting than dealing with you. Btw, if you didn't get the memo, it's no longer PC/acceptable to bash homosexuals. Even though I'm no where close. It must be comforting to attack someone(while in vain), on a personal level when you have nothing of value to add to this conversation or this planet for that matter. Why do you hate gay people. I'm guessing you had a voluntary encounter you're embarrassed to admit to. One question, did you swallow???? I bet you did
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 10:04PM
Come on, just admitt it. It's the first step to recovery. You remind me of that vile cult that goes around screaming at the very people that fight and die to provide you the "right" to spew that shit. You're the reason for birth control!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Resident
()
Date: September 28, 2015 11:06PM
Ben Dover Wrote:
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> Come on, just admitt it. It's the first step to
> recovery. You remind me of that vile cult that
> goes around screaming at the very people that
> fight and die to provide you the "right" to spew
> that shit. You're the reason for birth control!
Somebody is getting very angry. Speaking of a screaming "vile cult," you must belong to the cult that approaches a keyboard after having too many wine coolers...
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> Come on, just admitt it. It's the first step to
> recovery. You remind me of that vile cult that
> goes around screaming at the very people that
> fight and die to provide you the "right" to spew
> that shit. You're the reason for birth control!
Somebody is getting very angry. Speaking of a screaming "vile cult," you must belong to the cult that approaches a keyboard after having too many wine coolers...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gorgon Blvd
()
Date: September 28, 2015 11:14PM
"it's no longer PC/acceptable to bash homosexuals. Even though I'm no where close."
Hmm, with your chosen pseudonym, "ben dover," I'd say you were pretty damn close...
LOLZ
Hmm, with your chosen pseudonym, "ben dover," I'd say you were pretty damn close...
LOLZ
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 28, 2015 11:58PM
Congratulations, you turned enough tricks to buy a thesaurus! I'm guessing they want their money back. Nothing to due with anger, what exactly, is the reason your here? This has nothing to do with topic at hand. Go back to craigslist you loser.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Derailed
()
Date: September 29, 2015 12:03AM
Ben Dover Wrote:
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> Unlike you,I suppose, I will not be served a shit
> sandwich, forced to eat it, then smile and say
> tank you. That will never happen, you might as
> well kill me! Nor will I bury my head in the sand
> and go quietly into the night. If I go down, I'm
> going down swinging. I do not seek approval nor
> tacid authority from anyone.
LOL WHUT?
"tacid"?
"flacid"?
Tank you very much!
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> Unlike you,I suppose, I will not be served a shit
> sandwich, forced to eat it, then smile and say
> tank you. That will never happen, you might as
> well kill me! Nor will I bury my head in the sand
> and go quietly into the night. If I go down, I'm
> going down swinging. I do not seek approval nor
> tacid authority from anyone.
LOL WHUT?
"tacid"?
"flacid"?
Tank you very much!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 12:12AM
YOUR welcome hahahahahahaha
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: September 29, 2015 12:19AM
WingNut wrote
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> I would like to see victims or family write a
> counter letter to the FCNP,, no to ALL LOCAL MEDIA
> to explain away any misconception that Michael
> Gardner is not a child molester.
My guess is that these people want to put the ordeal behind them. It is the Gardner faction that doesn't want to let it go. Benton actually should reach out to them to see if they want to respond. If they do that would offset the sister's letter. If they don't, then Benton should not run the letter in the print edition on Thursday.
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> I would like to see victims or family write a
> counter letter to the FCNP,, no to ALL LOCAL MEDIA
> to explain away any misconception that Michael
> Gardner is not a child molester.
My guess is that these people want to put the ordeal behind them. It is the Gardner faction that doesn't want to let it go. Benton actually should reach out to them to see if they want to respond. If they do that would offset the sister's letter. If they don't, then Benton should not run the letter in the print edition on Thursday.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 12:38AM
It's quite the opposite. Just wait.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
BLACK LABS MATTER
()
Date: September 29, 2015 07:03AM
The Old Man in FC Wrote:
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> then Benton
> should not run the letter in the print edition on
> Thursday.
Benton shouldn't have run that POS letter regardless. It was a twisted and sad smear the victims. Not news.
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> then Benton
> should not run the letter in the print edition on
> Thursday.
Benton shouldn't have run that POS letter regardless. It was a twisted and sad smear the victims. Not news.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 29, 2015 08:30AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: September 29, 2015 08:47AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: September 29, 2015 08:51AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Moving on
()
Date: September 29, 2015 08:56AM
Yawn......justice done...move on.....
Border Security is CHEAPER Than Wars
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WingNut
()
Date: September 29, 2015 09:02AM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 10:05AM
They obviously meant to type moveon.org. If you buy his line of shit, then yes, move on. The only way to prevent someone else's kids from suffering this kind of ordeal is to flatly remove the prosecutors from what's supposed to be their job.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Skittles Esq
()
Date: September 29, 2015 10:50AM
I'm not part of the "pedofag" cult of Falls Church, but I find it interesting how Wangnut and his disciples go on at great...very great...length at the sexual torture Gardner will experience in prison.
And Mr. Ben Dover expounds on his sexual proclivities..." That can always be arranged if you are able to find those little peas you so generously call balls. Anytime you fucking pussy!!!"
Not "interesting," but actually troubling...perhaps a few more people should be safely behind bars, where they can live out their fantasies...
And Mr. Ben Dover expounds on his sexual proclivities..." That can always be arranged if you are able to find those little peas you so generously call balls. Anytime you fucking pussy!!!"
Not "interesting," but actually troubling...perhaps a few more people should be safely behind bars, where they can live out their fantasies...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 11:44AM
I will not bury my head in the sand and go quiety into the night. Pedofags like you should have your nuts if you can find them cut off and boiled in oil.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 11:48AM
I did not write that. Pretty sad you have to use someone else's handle!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 12:01PM
Ben Dover Wrote:
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> I did not write that. Pretty sad you have to use
> someone else's handle!
You could register your name like most responsible trolls.
Do you Ben Dover? Sounds kinda gay, huh?
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> I did not write that. Pretty sad you have to use
> someone else's handle!
You could register your name like most responsible trolls.
Do you Ben Dover? Sounds kinda gay, huh?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 12:18PM
Likewise asshole. I'm not the coward using someone else's username. You have a serious issue with gay people! I would ask what they ever did to you, but I already have a good idea.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church is OK!
()
Date: September 29, 2015 12:41PM
Gosh Ben Dover I, or whoever you are, you call yourself, you seem to be the one who keeps bringing up gays...as far as we know, Gardner is a heterosexual pederast...how did gays enter into this? Someone could say hello to you on the street and you'd point out how you were NOT gay!
Repressed much?
And now you're sending messages to yourself?
Repressed much?
And now you're sending messages to yourself?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 02:05PM
Your attack is as misguided as it is irrelevant. An idiot hijacked my username for whatever pathetic reason. Again, what does this have to do with the issue at hand. Just stay hidden behind your keyboard in your mothers basement because the real world would eat you alive.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Adult Content
()
Date: September 29, 2015 02:42PM
Um, the issue at hand is the sexual molestation of several young girls, a heinous crime.
You've turned this into a sideshow all about you. How long did it take you to come up with that stupid name, "Ben Dover"?
Leave this conversation to the adults, OK?
Loser
You've turned this into a sideshow all about you. How long did it take you to come up with that stupid name, "Ben Dover"?
Leave this conversation to the adults, OK?
Loser
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: September 29, 2015 02:46PM
Fuck each and every one of you.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Catharsis
()
Date: October 01, 2015 08:22AM
Thanks to all of the participants on this forum for their lively (and sometimes profane) discussions since the initial case began in June, 2011. It's obviously an emotionally-charged situation, which the discussion reflects. For those of us directly involved in these cases, but not allowed to speak openly during the prosecution phase(s), it was of some comfort that we could live vicariously through the words and sentiments of others. The way that these cases have divided Falls Church residents is unfortunate, but rather than bickering amongst ourselves, I would hope that we can focus on the way that the community can be more supportive of the victims, especially keeping in mind that there are likely more of them out there than the charges reflect.
It's been one week since the prosecution offered the sweetheart deal and Mr. Gardner accepted. Legally, it's over. But some of us will always be troubled by the terms and the prosecution's performance surrounding the plea. Not requiring a clear statement of guilt and some admission of his crimes in court allowed Mr. Gardner and his supporters to perpetuate his claims of innocence and further smear the victims. Offering him less jail time, despite an additional victim and stronger scientific evidence, does not make sense. Voluntarily offering immunity to him for the murder-for-hire situation and for his wife's perjury against her own blood niece is just wrong. Any objections by the victims and their families were politely heard and disregarded. Maybe the Commonwealth was battle weary and just wanted to move on, under the guise of doing what was best for the girls. But steamrolling victims and their families was not a just end, particularly when the prosecutors promised to fight the good fight.
The statements in support of Mr. Gardner and his wife by their many loyal family and friendly supporters are beyond offensive and simply ignore the facts for a more palatable reality -- for them. However, continuing to call these girls liars despite the overwhelming testimony, physical and scientific evidence will not help anyone. The decent thing for his lying wife to do would be to move out of Falls Church. But she has shown time and time again that she is not decent. And she should never be placed in a position of respect and authority over young lives ever again. I wish the best for her children, but not for her or her husband. Many of us have been forever altered by BOTH of their actions, and I can only hope that a day will come when we never have to think of either of them again. Until then, keep your kids close, listen when they talk to you, and keep them away from Ellison Street.
It's been one week since the prosecution offered the sweetheart deal and Mr. Gardner accepted. Legally, it's over. But some of us will always be troubled by the terms and the prosecution's performance surrounding the plea. Not requiring a clear statement of guilt and some admission of his crimes in court allowed Mr. Gardner and his supporters to perpetuate his claims of innocence and further smear the victims. Offering him less jail time, despite an additional victim and stronger scientific evidence, does not make sense. Voluntarily offering immunity to him for the murder-for-hire situation and for his wife's perjury against her own blood niece is just wrong. Any objections by the victims and their families were politely heard and disregarded. Maybe the Commonwealth was battle weary and just wanted to move on, under the guise of doing what was best for the girls. But steamrolling victims and their families was not a just end, particularly when the prosecutors promised to fight the good fight.
The statements in support of Mr. Gardner and his wife by their many loyal family and friendly supporters are beyond offensive and simply ignore the facts for a more palatable reality -- for them. However, continuing to call these girls liars despite the overwhelming testimony, physical and scientific evidence will not help anyone. The decent thing for his lying wife to do would be to move out of Falls Church. But she has shown time and time again that she is not decent. And she should never be placed in a position of respect and authority over young lives ever again. I wish the best for her children, but not for her or her husband. Many of us have been forever altered by BOTH of their actions, and I can only hope that a day will come when we never have to think of either of them again. Until then, keep your kids close, listen when they talk to you, and keep them away from Ellison Street.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bell End
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Date: October 01, 2015 08:55AM
Can we put Ben Dover in the same cell as Gardner? Both of them belong off the streets
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Catharsis
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Date: October 01, 2015 11:31AM
With all due respect, there appears to be more than one Ben Dover posting to this site. Harsh words related to an unjust situation involving a pedophile are not even remotely similar to what Gardner is serving his 13+ years for. Let's give folks a break.
And for the record, the parent who provided the quote to the News Press for today's article was not a spokesman for the families of the victims. Those comments are disputed by at least one victim and one parent.
And for the record, the parent who provided the quote to the News Press for today's article was not a spokesman for the families of the victims. Those comments are disputed by at least one victim and one parent.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
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Date: October 01, 2015 12:30PM
Just remember. This . Is your asshole before prison. This O is your asshole after prison.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: October 01, 2015 12:32PM
Thank you, Catharsis. Very moving testimony.
The Gardners are driven, aggressive personalities, accustomed to winning and getting their way, like so many people in Falls Church City. In defeat they remain defiant, secure in their anger and resentment.
Gardner's sister Maya blames the legal system for her brother's fate. Actually, the system may have failed the victims far more than it ever failed Michael Gardner.
A weakness of our adversarial judicial process is that a successful prosecution sometimes fails to reveal the entire truth. An inquisitorial system likely never would have allowed a plea bargain, especially one that provided his wife with immunity.
What will Robin do now? Although she left the city council in July 2012, she did not shrink away:
http://fcnp.com/2014/01/15/former-f-c-mayor-voted-onto-vestry/
That probably was the only time in its history that the FCNP ran a story about a church election. While much of the article gave Nick Benton another chance to bash the FC Anglicans, the headline and the lead delivered a different message - namely that Robin was still an active presence in the community and enjoyed the support of her church.
When her husband's conviction was still under appeal, most people were willing to support her (if not him) or at least give her the benefit of the doubt. More recent events have cast her in a very different light.
Her vestry term runs through next year:
http://www.thefallschurch.org/#!vestry/c1kl7
Under the circumstances she should resign, but that wouldn't seem in character. If she does not withdraw, will the church remove her or will they allow her to stay? In most places the answer would be clear, but not in FCC.
The Gardners are driven, aggressive personalities, accustomed to winning and getting their way, like so many people in Falls Church City. In defeat they remain defiant, secure in their anger and resentment.
Gardner's sister Maya blames the legal system for her brother's fate. Actually, the system may have failed the victims far more than it ever failed Michael Gardner.
A weakness of our adversarial judicial process is that a successful prosecution sometimes fails to reveal the entire truth. An inquisitorial system likely never would have allowed a plea bargain, especially one that provided his wife with immunity.
What will Robin do now? Although she left the city council in July 2012, she did not shrink away:
http://fcnp.com/2014/01/15/former-f-c-mayor-voted-onto-vestry/
That probably was the only time in its history that the FCNP ran a story about a church election. While much of the article gave Nick Benton another chance to bash the FC Anglicans, the headline and the lead delivered a different message - namely that Robin was still an active presence in the community and enjoyed the support of her church.
When her husband's conviction was still under appeal, most people were willing to support her (if not him) or at least give her the benefit of the doubt. More recent events have cast her in a very different light.
Her vestry term runs through next year:
http://www.thefallschurch.org/#!vestry/c1kl7
Under the circumstances she should resign, but that wouldn't seem in character. If she does not withdraw, will the church remove her or will they allow her to stay? In most places the answer would be clear, but not in FCC.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
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Date: October 01, 2015 09:25PM
@ Catharsis:
Some questions, if you choose to answer them.....
Now that the criminal case is resolved, do you plan to go after the Gardners in civil court, or do you just want to put this all behind you?
If you do go to civil court, would you expect to collect on any damages?
If you collected, would you want the money, knowing where it came from?
I hope you and your family can come to a resolution in this, wherever it may lead.
Some questions, if you choose to answer them.....
Now that the criminal case is resolved, do you plan to go after the Gardners in civil court, or do you just want to put this all behind you?
If you do go to civil court, would you expect to collect on any damages?
If you collected, would you want the money, knowing where it came from?
I hope you and your family can come to a resolution in this, wherever it may lead.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
sendhimdownstate
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Date: October 20, 2015 03:59PM
This Thursday will be four weeks since he entered his guilty plea and was sentenced. Why is he still at the Arlington Hilton, I mean Detention Center? He has already been through the processing stage of incarceration at the state level not that long ago. He should be at another facility by now. Is it because they will have a hard time placing him at his old facility given his troubled relationships with some of his former fellow inmates?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: October 20, 2015 05:28PM
I don't know anything about prisoner assignment policies so I don't know if four weeks is out of the ordinary. The one convict I have known served out his Virginia time entirely at Club Fairfax and never made it into the system. Of course his sentence was nowhere near as long as Gardner's.
I believe Gardner was in the Augusta CC (near Staunton) most of the time, though I think initally he was sent to Dillwyn. His suite surely was assigned to another guest when he was released in 2014. I suspect Gardner will be sent to a different facility, given his alleged activities while at Augusta. I assume they want to give him a fresh start, which would include a new home.
I noticed a couple of weeks ago that Gardner no longer appears in the Virginia sex offender registry. Maybe he was removed from the registry when his initial conviction was overturned and they just haven't gotten around to reposting his record. I can't think of any other explanation for the omission.
I believe Gardner was in the Augusta CC (near Staunton) most of the time, though I think initally he was sent to Dillwyn. His suite surely was assigned to another guest when he was released in 2014. I suspect Gardner will be sent to a different facility, given his alleged activities while at Augusta. I assume they want to give him a fresh start, which would include a new home.
I noticed a couple of weeks ago that Gardner no longer appears in the Virginia sex offender registry. Maybe he was removed from the registry when his initial conviction was overturned and they just haven't gotten around to reposting his record. I can't think of any other explanation for the omission.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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Date: October 20, 2015 05:30PM
Excerpts from the letters of support for Michael Gardner......
Former Mayor Brian O’Connor
“…there is good reason to temper sentencing with compassion mindful that lengthy incarceration of Michael Gardner will serve little purpose.”
City Council Member Phil Duncan
“In this case, I hope the sentence imposed will reflect what I see as Mike’s ability, and willingness, to move beyond this dark chapter in his life… .”
Debra Roth
“I believe in Mike and want him back home and in our community… .”
Ellen Gilmore
“I will be a support for Mike… . I will also support him as a friend… .”
Former Vice Mayor Hal Lippman
Page of letter transmitted by the Court was missing.
James Allen
“I am honored to be … a friend of his.”
Kathy Allen
“In closing, I still believe Michael is a person of good character.”
Kim Maller
“I believe Mike Gardner is a good person and has been a great asset to the Falls Church Community.”
Former Vice Mayor Lindy Hockenberry
“Last and most important is his friendship that I so greatly value. … I remain their (Robin) loyal friend today.”
Falls Church News Press Publisher Nick Benton
“He represented himself as the epitome of an upright, conscientious citizen and father, and knowing him personally, I was confident that such was the case.”
Commissioner of the Revenue Tom Clinton
“It’s easy to see first hand the many good deeds done by residents and business owners (as was Gardner) … and that’s true whether they are dedicated elected officials, or just humble civic activist like the Gardner’s have been.”
Robert McCan
“To me, our church, community, and indeed, our nation have been deprived of the services of a very significant person. I ask, sir, for you to consider leniency within your discretion.”
Developer Robert Young
“My hope is that Mike will receive a sentence that is as short as possible so that he has a opportunity to return to his community … .”
Former Mayor Brian O’Connor
“…there is good reason to temper sentencing with compassion mindful that lengthy incarceration of Michael Gardner will serve little purpose.”
City Council Member Phil Duncan
“In this case, I hope the sentence imposed will reflect what I see as Mike’s ability, and willingness, to move beyond this dark chapter in his life… .”
Debra Roth
“I believe in Mike and want him back home and in our community… .”
Ellen Gilmore
“I will be a support for Mike… . I will also support him as a friend… .”
Former Vice Mayor Hal Lippman
Page of letter transmitted by the Court was missing.
James Allen
“I am honored to be … a friend of his.”
Kathy Allen
“In closing, I still believe Michael is a person of good character.”
Kim Maller
“I believe Mike Gardner is a good person and has been a great asset to the Falls Church Community.”
Former Vice Mayor Lindy Hockenberry
“Last and most important is his friendship that I so greatly value. … I remain their (Robin) loyal friend today.”
Falls Church News Press Publisher Nick Benton
“He represented himself as the epitome of an upright, conscientious citizen and father, and knowing him personally, I was confident that such was the case.”
Commissioner of the Revenue Tom Clinton
“It’s easy to see first hand the many good deeds done by residents and business owners (as was Gardner) … and that’s true whether they are dedicated elected officials, or just humble civic activist like the Gardner’s have been.”
Robert McCan
“To me, our church, community, and indeed, our nation have been deprived of the services of a very significant person. I ask, sir, for you to consider leniency within your discretion.”
Developer Robert Young
“My hope is that Mike will receive a sentence that is as short as possible so that he has a opportunity to return to his community … .”
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
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Date: October 20, 2015 11:57PM
Here is a link to the story, which includes a link to all of the letters. I never dreamed they would be published:
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/20/letters-in-behalf-of-gardner-after-first-trial-from-residents-current-and-former-city-officials-released/
If you haven't already guessed this has to do with local politics. There is a council and school board election next month. One of the letter writers is currently on the council and is running again.
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/20/letters-in-behalf-of-gardner-after-first-trial-from-residents-current-and-former-city-officials-released/
If you haven't already guessed this has to do with local politics. There is a council and school board election next month. One of the letter writers is currently on the council and is running again.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ross
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Date: October 21, 2015 12:30AM
Those assholes in Falls Church that support that evil fucker are pieces of shit.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 21, 2015 09:14AM
Last night I had no opportunity to read the letters written in Gardner's behalf, only the accompanying story. Now I have begun to read some of them.
All I can say is that the letters are appalling. But don't take my word for it. Read them and draw your own conclusions.
All I can say is that the letters are appalling. But don't take my word for it. Read them and draw your own conclusions.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
observer observer
()
Date: October 21, 2015 09:30AM
Old Man in FC - your comments are trenchant and worth reading.
Upon observation of Gardner's supporters, I just wonder how strong the herd mentality is among and between them. I suspect the herd mentality infects both the left and the right, but political solidarity often appears to be a paramount virtue among those on the left. They appear to be so imbued with the moral superiority of their cause that matters of basic character are subrogated to political loyalty.
Witness the case of Neil Erickson, a former Michigan teachers union official (i.e., essentially a leader in the Democratic Party in Michigan), who was convicted of a 15-30 year sentence for having a sexual relationship with a 13 year old boy:
http://eagnews.org/jaw-dropper-teacher-claims-young-student-wasnt-damaged-when-her-husband-sexually-assaulted-him/
He had several supporters (who wrote the judge) who evinced no sympathy for the victim (indeed the victim's family was subject to harassment and vandalism) and thought Erickson's transgression was a mere forgivable "mistake".
The similarities between the Erickson case and Gardner's case are striking, especially in the lack of acceptance of accountability, both as to the convicted and certain elements of the community which support the convicted.
Upon observation of Gardner's supporters, I just wonder how strong the herd mentality is among and between them. I suspect the herd mentality infects both the left and the right, but political solidarity often appears to be a paramount virtue among those on the left. They appear to be so imbued with the moral superiority of their cause that matters of basic character are subrogated to political loyalty.
Witness the case of Neil Erickson, a former Michigan teachers union official (i.e., essentially a leader in the Democratic Party in Michigan), who was convicted of a 15-30 year sentence for having a sexual relationship with a 13 year old boy:
http://eagnews.org/jaw-dropper-teacher-claims-young-student-wasnt-damaged-when-her-husband-sexually-assaulted-him/
He had several supporters (who wrote the judge) who evinced no sympathy for the victim (indeed the victim's family was subject to harassment and vandalism) and thought Erickson's transgression was a mere forgivable "mistake".
The similarities between the Erickson case and Gardner's case are striking, especially in the lack of acceptance of accountability, both as to the convicted and certain elements of the community which support the convicted.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: October 21, 2015 04:15PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Oakwood Voter
()
Date: October 21, 2015 04:25PM
I think Phil Duncan has effectively disqualified himself from public office. If he wins, it will because of the support of the local Democrats.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: October 21, 2015 09:55PM
Is there anything in Falls Church but Democrats???
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Prison Guard
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Date: October 21, 2015 10:53PM
Where is he serving his sentence so I can turn my back?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: October 21, 2015 11:12PM
Heeelllloooo, I told you so a long time ago! Many of of these problems/issues lie at the prosecutors feet. I would like to know what these "people" running for office have said regarding their stance on this case since its conclusion.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 21, 2015 11:13PM
The letters really say more about the people who wrote them than they do about Michael Gardner. They are very representative of the mindset of the clique that has run the city for decades. The authors include a former mayor, two former council members, the revenue commissioner, an incumbent councilman (whose mother-in-law is a former mayor), and the city's media mogul, Nick Benton. All truly among the elite of Falls Church.
Make no mistake, the letters were published for political reasons. The faction running against the clique's candidates appears to be desperate. However, their publication also has released some pent up fury, which includes some interesting revelations, apparently made by the victims' parents.
Here are some of the comments at the FC Post, followed by my observations:
"And then of course there was the whole three week delay on the original search warrant, with Gardner the tax attorney mysteriously unable to produce his computers or phone the result."
This is not actually a revelation, though it's pretty much been forgotten. There never has been an adequate explanation for the delay in executing the warrant. The theory is that during the interval the Gardners likely destroyed incriminating evidence.
"And then there is Theo Stamos. Who hugged Robin in open court at the first proceeding in the Arlington Courthouse, never once offering support or reaching out to the victims,"
Stamos, a friend of the Gardners, had to recuse herself and allow prosecutors from Loudon to try the case. If she actually did what's described above it constitutes an extraordinary breach of professional ethics.
"Don’t forget how Theo Stamos sat in the front row on Gardner’s side during the plea hearing."
If true this is inexcusable.
See especially the lengthy post by "Aggrieved Parent."
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/20/letters-in-behalf-of-gardner-after-first-trial-from-residents-current-and-former-city-officials-released/#comments
Make no mistake, the letters were published for political reasons. The faction running against the clique's candidates appears to be desperate. However, their publication also has released some pent up fury, which includes some interesting revelations, apparently made by the victims' parents.
Here are some of the comments at the FC Post, followed by my observations:
"And then of course there was the whole three week delay on the original search warrant, with Gardner the tax attorney mysteriously unable to produce his computers or phone the result."
This is not actually a revelation, though it's pretty much been forgotten. There never has been an adequate explanation for the delay in executing the warrant. The theory is that during the interval the Gardners likely destroyed incriminating evidence.
"And then there is Theo Stamos. Who hugged Robin in open court at the first proceeding in the Arlington Courthouse, never once offering support or reaching out to the victims,"
Stamos, a friend of the Gardners, had to recuse herself and allow prosecutors from Loudon to try the case. If she actually did what's described above it constitutes an extraordinary breach of professional ethics.
"Don’t forget how Theo Stamos sat in the front row on Gardner’s side during the plea hearing."
If true this is inexcusable.
See especially the lengthy post by "Aggrieved Parent."
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/20/letters-in-behalf-of-gardner-after-first-trial-from-residents-current-and-former-city-officials-released/#comments
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 21, 2015 11:23PM
COL Mustard Wrote:
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> Is there anything in Falls Church but Democrats???
Yes, two of the most prominent are Dave Snyder and John Lawrence, but both of them are Obama Republicans and loud and proud of it. It takes a great deal of nerve to "come out" in Falls Church. Most people prefer to stay in the closet where it's warm, than endure the cold shoulder.
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> Is there anything in Falls Church but Democrats???
Yes, two of the most prominent are Dave Snyder and John Lawrence, but both of them are Obama Republicans and loud and proud of it. It takes a great deal of nerve to "come out" in Falls Church. Most people prefer to stay in the closet where it's warm, than endure the cold shoulder.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: October 21, 2015 11:28PM
"Theory".... Seriously? Is that what your really going with? If you doubt that she was there, reach out to the source and see if she denies it. It IS true! In truth, it's so much worse than you can even know unless you were there to witness it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Hilldog
()
Date: October 21, 2015 11:31PM
I think there is a great left wing conspiracy going on here. "What does it even matter" that he assaulted these children and who knows how many others?!?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Slick willy
()
Date: October 21, 2015 11:37PM
I, did not have sex with those, children..... WTFE!!! Like our ideology, it's all a big fucking lie!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 22, 2015 12:49AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> nowhere in ANY of these letters is a
> recommendation or hope that Michael Gardner will
> receive treatment or get some type of help. I
> think I counted one letter that even seemed to
> recognize the legitimacy of the verdict.
Good points. I hadn't thought about it until now, but perhaps what's more revealing isn't what the letters said about Gardner but what they didn't say.
If you believe he's innocent, why recommend any treatment? If you think the verdict incorrect, best not to say so.
These are two sides of the same coin - a plug nickel with Gardner's face on the obverse and the words "Innocent in Our Minds" on the reverse.
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> nowhere in ANY of these letters is a
> recommendation or hope that Michael Gardner will
> receive treatment or get some type of help. I
> think I counted one letter that even seemed to
> recognize the legitimacy of the verdict.
Good points. I hadn't thought about it until now, but perhaps what's more revealing isn't what the letters said about Gardner but what they didn't say.
If you believe he's innocent, why recommend any treatment? If you think the verdict incorrect, best not to say so.
These are two sides of the same coin - a plug nickel with Gardner's face on the obverse and the words "Innocent in Our Minds" on the reverse.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
puffy white dog
()
Date: October 22, 2015 03:23PM
The Old Man in FC Wrote:
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> COL Mustard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is there anything in Falls Church but
> Democrats???
>
> Yes, two of the most prominent are Dave Snyder and
> John Lawrence, but both of them are Obama
> Republicans and loud and proud of it. It takes a
> great deal of nerve to "come out" in Falls Church.
> Most people prefer to stay in the closet where
> it's warm, than endure the cold shoulder.
John Lawrence is an opportunist and guilty of his own dirty political tricks.
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> COL Mustard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is there anything in Falls Church but
> Democrats???
>
> Yes, two of the most prominent are Dave Snyder and
> John Lawrence, but both of them are Obama
> Republicans and loud and proud of it. It takes a
> great deal of nerve to "come out" in Falls Church.
> Most people prefer to stay in the closet where
> it's warm, than endure the cold shoulder.
John Lawrence is an opportunist and guilty of his own dirty political tricks.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
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Date: October 22, 2015 04:59PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Eleven Pages?
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Date: October 22, 2015 05:49PM
Pathetic. This fuck up was found guilty and yet some are obsessed. Nothing going on in your own lives?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 22, 2015 06:28PM
Eleven Pages? Wrote:
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> Pathetic. This fuck up was found guilty and yet
> some are obsessed. Nothing going on in your own
> lives?
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> Pathetic. This fuck up was found guilty and yet
> some are obsessed. Nothing going on in your own
> lives?
How many convicts will it take to throw Pedofaggot Michael Gardner down the stairs???
None! He must have slipped!
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
GFY
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Date: October 22, 2015 07:35PM
11 pages... I hear he's looking to pick up some babysitting work, you should hire him! While I hope( but don't believe ) any harm will come to your children, I hope more your gene pool dies with you. Thanks for sharing, asshole.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
America #101
()
Date: October 22, 2015 07:42PM
GFY Wrote:
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> 11 pages... I hear he's looking to pick up some
> babysitting work, you should hire him! While I
> hope( but don't believe ) any harm will come to
> your children, I hope more your gene pool dies
> with you. Thanks for sharing, asshole.
Very mature retort. Hoping children are harmed is a profound statement from a fine outstanding citizen.
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> 11 pages... I hear he's looking to pick up some
> babysitting work, you should hire him! While I
> hope( but don't believe ) any harm will come to
> your children, I hope more your gene pool dies
> with you. Thanks for sharing, asshole.
Very mature retort. Hoping children are harmed is a profound statement from a fine outstanding citizen.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Charles
()
Date: October 22, 2015 09:15PM
They said the exact opposite of that. Talk about pathetic, making a comment like that on a site you CHOSE to be at, read, then take the time to make a worthless comment about something you know nothing about. Too funny!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sandy
()
Date: October 22, 2015 09:20PM
I agree! If it's no big deal, then let him have a go at your kids. This is our COMMUNITY! If there is a clear threat posing a danger to us or our children, like a weed, we should remove it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Fran
()
Date: October 22, 2015 09:22PM
How can you defend these "people"??? Your as sick as he is.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Gma
()
Date: October 22, 2015 09:27PM
We just had our very first grandchild, it scares me to think there are people out there willing to condone this kind of thing. Shame on you!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 23, 2015 11:53AM
Strange as it may seem, the same thing happened in Falls Church City a decade ago. A group of citizens, led by a councilman, rallied a round the pedophile and urged the court to reduce the man's sentence:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1263188/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1263188/posts
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Squeaky Wheel Syndrome
()
Date: October 23, 2015 04:07PM
I'm WingNut and I approve this message. It takes the heat off of my indiscretions.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Wusa 9
()
Date: October 24, 2015 07:50AM
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/falls-church/2015/10/23/letters-support-convicted-va-child-molester-draw-outrage/74501330/
FALLS CHURCH, Va. (WUSA9) -- Falls Church residents are angry at several city leaders who wrote letters in support of a convicted child molester after his first conviction.
The leaders who wrote the letters now say they no longer support Michael Gardner after he pleaded guilty last month.
One of the people who wrote those letters is a city council member up for re-election and parents of the victims want anyone who supported Gardner out of office.
"It was scary, it was discouraging, it was painful," Kris Rice, whose daughter was one of the four girls molested by Gardner, said.
Commissioner of Revenue Thomas Clinton was one of the people who wrote letters. He said he no longer supports Gardner and would not resign.
READ THE LETTERS: Letters supporting Va. child molester spark outrage
"It really hurt out trust and confidence in city leaders," Rice said.
Phil Duncan hasn't apologized for his letter. He's a city council member and up for reelection November 3rd.
Duncan said his letter was about the question of whether Gardner could be reintroduced into society. At the time, he thought so, but he said he no longer believes that.
After Gardner's first conviction was tossed out, his niece came forward with similar allegations and during last month's trial, Gardner suddenly pleaded guilty to all charges.
His plea came right before the prosecution was about to play a secretly recorded phone call between Gardner's wife Robin Gardner, the former mayor of Falls Church, and her brother. In it, she acknowledges the abuse of her niece.
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FALLS CHURCH, Va. (WUSA9) -- Falls Church residents are angry at several city leaders who wrote letters in support of a convicted child molester after his first conviction.
The leaders who wrote the letters now say they no longer support Michael Gardner after he pleaded guilty last month.
One of the people who wrote those letters is a city council member up for re-election and parents of the victims want anyone who supported Gardner out of office.
"It was scary, it was discouraging, it was painful," Kris Rice, whose daughter was one of the four girls molested by Gardner, said.
Commissioner of Revenue Thomas Clinton was one of the people who wrote letters. He said he no longer supports Gardner and would not resign.
READ THE LETTERS: Letters supporting Va. child molester spark outrage
"It really hurt out trust and confidence in city leaders," Rice said.
Phil Duncan hasn't apologized for his letter. He's a city council member and up for reelection November 3rd.
Duncan said his letter was about the question of whether Gardner could be reintroduced into society. At the time, he thought so, but he said he no longer believes that.
After Gardner's first conviction was tossed out, his niece came forward with similar allegations and during last month's trial, Gardner suddenly pleaded guilty to all charges.
His plea came right before the prosecution was about to play a secretly recorded phone call between Gardner's wife Robin Gardner, the former mayor of Falls Church, and her brother. In it, she acknowledges the abuse of her niece.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 24, 2015 10:15AM
Here is the phone call:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/10/23/hearing-call-center-gardner-case/74487828/
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/10/23/hearing-call-center-gardner-case/74487828/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
pathetic
()
Date: October 24, 2015 10:20AM
it's a travesty of justice that robin gardner can't be brought up on charges now. she is just as guilty as he is and now gets off scot-free. what a disgusting human being.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Catharsis
()
Date: October 24, 2015 12:55PM
We have the prosecutors to thank for that decision.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Unacceptable
()
Date: October 24, 2015 05:15PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: October 24, 2015 10:24PM
The defense didn't request,require or even ask for amunity for his bitch wife, prosecutors made the offer without telling anyone. Just as they declined his admission of guilt! "Mrs." Rueada is a total self serving CUNT!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: October 24, 2015 11:01PM
Ben Dover Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The defense didn't request,require or even ask for
> amunity for his bitch wife, prosecutors made the
> offer without telling anyone. Just as they
> declined his admission of guilt! "Mrs." Rueada is
> a total self serving CUNT!!!
I'm an little asswipe bitch. Sorry I posted this bullshit.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The defense didn't request,require or even ask for
> amunity for his bitch wife, prosecutors made the
> offer without telling anyone. Just as they
> declined his admission of guilt! "Mrs." Rueada is
> a total self serving CUNT!!!
I'm an little asswipe bitch. Sorry I posted this bullshit.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Real Ben Dover
()
Date: October 25, 2015 02:09AM
Imitation is the highest form of complement, so thank you. On the other hand, I encourage you to move to California so as I may get in the long line to assist you in your own suicide. Ill buy your ticket!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Please stand up Please stand up
()
Date: October 25, 2015 02:40AM
Real Ben Dover Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Imitation is the highest form of complement, so
> thank you. On the other hand, I encourage you to
> move to California so as I may get in the long
> line to assist you in your own suicide. Ill buy
> your ticket!!
It's obvious you're the real ben dover since you write like a retard.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Imitation is the highest form of complement, so
> thank you. On the other hand, I encourage you to
> move to California so as I may get in the long
> line to assist you in your own suicide. Ill buy
> your ticket!!
It's obvious you're the real ben dover since you write like a retard.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Slim shady
()
Date: October 25, 2015 03:13AM
Aawwww, looks like somebody choked on too much cock tonight. If need be, this can be settled.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sarah jo
()
Date: October 25, 2015 03:42AM
Hahahahaha! That's hilarious.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
bpEpm
()
Date: October 25, 2015 06:06AM
Compare this to the whole PSU scandal. A lot of people in Falls Church who had knowledge and did nothing are getting away scot-free.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Mila terry
()
Date: October 25, 2015 11:14AM
Yea thanks to ms.rueda and ms.wittman! They should not be afforded the oppertunity to resign, immediate termination. They violated the trust of the victims, their families, and our community. Fire thier asses!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Seymour Butz
()
Date: October 25, 2015 11:20AM
Ironic that this prick bitterly complained about these women for years through his recorded prison sessions/calls, when they turned out to be his best friend in the end!! Unforgivable.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Caesar
()
Date: October 25, 2015 09:16PM
FYI,,, these little girls have an gofundu account I encourage all those who are able to contribute to, do so. Thank you for your support.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sally Mae
()
Date: October 25, 2015 09:22PM
Has anyone read the leaked letters? They're awful. I understand many more are comming. I hope and prey no one votes for these terrible people that now want to run our community. Can't you people see through the BS???
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Inside Information
()
Date: October 25, 2015 11:03PM
I know someone who is around Gardner. I hate to say that Gardner has yet to be turned out but the contact says he does cry. He says that 2-3 nights ago he caught him crying aloud. I have no clue how MG is protecting his corn hole but the source says he has been able to up to this point.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 11:16PM
Sally Mae Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Has anyone read the leaked letters? They're awful.
> I understand many more are comming. I hope and
> prey no one votes for these terrible people that
> now want to run our community. Can't you people
> see through the BS???
They have pretty much run Falls Church City for decades. Their sense of entitlement is tremendous. They live for power and resent any challenge to their rule.
Read the first letter where Gardner's first (of four) lawyers lectures the judge charged with imposing sentence. The author is a former mayor.
His letter concludes, "There is good reason to temper sentencing with compassion, mindful that lengthy incarceration of Michael Gardner will serve little purpose."
If you concur with that opinion, vote for Duncan and Hardi. If you don't, think about supporting the girls:
https://www.gofundme.com/2d7t9r7g
-------------------------------------------------------
> Has anyone read the leaked letters? They're awful.
> I understand many more are comming. I hope and
> prey no one votes for these terrible people that
> now want to run our community. Can't you people
> see through the BS???
They have pretty much run Falls Church City for decades. Their sense of entitlement is tremendous. They live for power and resent any challenge to their rule.
Read the first letter where Gardner's first (of four) lawyers lectures the judge charged with imposing sentence. The author is a former mayor.
His letter concludes, "There is good reason to temper sentencing with compassion, mindful that lengthy incarceration of Michael Gardner will serve little purpose."
If you concur with that opinion, vote for Duncan and Hardi. If you don't, think about supporting the girls:
https://www.gofundme.com/2d7t9r7g
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Alice
()
Date: October 25, 2015 11:44PM
I hope he gets a bar soap shoved down his throat and someone's foot shoved up his ass. Please God, make this happen.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
()
Date: October 26, 2015 07:48AM
Alice Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I hope he gets a bar soap shoved down his throat
> and someone's foot shoved up his ass. Please God,
> make this happen.
You are one sick individual, Alice. Instead of praying for this, you should have the courage and perform said act of violence yourself. Sad commentary about personality.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I hope he gets a bar soap shoved down his throat
> and someone's foot shoved up his ass. Please God,
> make this happen.
You are one sick individual, Alice. Instead of praying for this, you should have the courage and perform said act of violence yourself. Sad commentary about personality.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Judge Dredd
()
Date: October 26, 2015 08:34AM
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Alice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I hope he gets a bar soap shoved down his
> throat
> > and someone's foot shoved up his ass. Please
> God,
> > make this happen.
>
>
> You are one sick individual, Alice. Instead of
> praying for this, you should have the courage and
> perform said act of violence yourself. Sad
> commentary about personality.
You'll have to get used to it. This has little to do with Gardner; most of the people are on this thread so they'll have the chance to express their dark. sadistic, psycho-sexua,l revenge-fantasy yearnings.
I like the way "Alice" asked God...God?...to assist with her prison justice dream...
-------------------------------------------------------
> Alice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I hope he gets a bar soap shoved down his
> throat
> > and someone's foot shoved up his ass. Please
> God,
> > make this happen.
>
>
> You are one sick individual, Alice. Instead of
> praying for this, you should have the courage and
> perform said act of violence yourself. Sad
> commentary about personality.
You'll have to get used to it. This has little to do with Gardner; most of the people are on this thread so they'll have the chance to express their dark. sadistic, psycho-sexua,l revenge-fantasy yearnings.
I like the way "Alice" asked God...God?...to assist with her prison justice dream...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
props given
()
Date: October 26, 2015 10:09AM
Wingnut,
That's putting your money where your mouth is. I might not agree with you on everything, but you're a class act in my book.
That's putting your money where your mouth is. I might not agree with you on everything, but you're a class act in my book.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Kelli
()
Date: October 26, 2015 12:26PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Frankly, I like her idea but that still wouldn't get him even.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Billary
()
Date: October 26, 2015 12:31PM
I see somebody spent thier allowance on a thesaurus lol
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Cadillac
()
Date: October 26, 2015 12:39PM
You wouldn't know what courage was if it sat on your face! Grow up or shut up.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
observer observer
()
Date: October 26, 2015 03:13PM
Judge Dredd - I am not buying it. A good number of people are reacting to this case, because, as Old Man in FC relates, the political crew which runs Falls Church City has done so for decades, have a tremendous herd mentality, and are extremely entitled. OK, this describes many political people, especially in urban areas. But one would think that when the choice is political fealty or condemnation of sexual abuse against girls (and support for the same girls), the latter would easily prevail. It is a bit surprising that it has not - although I understand we should never underestimate the herd mentality, especially among progressives.
I don't think the majority of thoughtful people have a revenge fantasy. I do think accountability, particularly by the convicted, is important, if only for his children. They know the score already, and forcing them to follow the fiction that their father is somehow a victim (a Christian thrown to the lions, or so we are told to believe) will not help them in the future. The girls also deserve validation, although they seem to be pretty tough cookies.
Food for thought
I don't think the majority of thoughtful people have a revenge fantasy. I do think accountability, particularly by the convicted, is important, if only for his children. They know the score already, and forcing them to follow the fiction that their father is somehow a victim (a Christian thrown to the lions, or so we are told to believe) will not help them in the future. The girls also deserve validation, although they seem to be pretty tough cookies.
Food for thought
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Former Falls Church Resident
()
Date: October 26, 2015 03:54PM
I think Gardner should be somdomized in Prison!
Every day on a dayly basis!
Every day on a dayly basis!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
ym3hJ
()
Date: October 26, 2015 06:47PM
Democrats run Falls Church. And, Democrats love how we should be more like Sweden, where 9 and 10 year old girls are groomed for sex, because, you know, it's natural. What, are you some prude or something?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Crime watch 00
()
Date: October 26, 2015 07:23PM
I wonder why it is that no one can or will address the issue of the prosecutors attempting to advance thier careers by selling out these little girls? There is no fathomable reason to reward these women for such reprehensible behavior. That would be a sad day for all even if you don't realize it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 27, 2015 01:51PM
Here is Nick Benton's account of last night's FC City Council session, where two officials apologized for writing letters in support of Gardner:
http://fcnp.com/2015/10/26/dramatic-apology-forgiveness-ask-by-duncan-highlights-council-meeting/
A video of the meeting now is available. Commissioner of the Revenue Tom Clinton speaks at the 9 minute mark. Members of the public speak on the topic from 19.21 to 26.24. Councilman and candidate Phil Duncan reads his remarks at 26.44 followed by relevant comments from Council members until end point 36.00.
http://www.fallschurchva.gov/councilmeetings
http://fcnp.com/2015/10/26/dramatic-apology-forgiveness-ask-by-duncan-highlights-council-meeting/
A video of the meeting now is available. Commissioner of the Revenue Tom Clinton speaks at the 9 minute mark. Members of the public speak on the topic from 19.21 to 26.24. Councilman and candidate Phil Duncan reads his remarks at 26.44 followed by relevant comments from Council members until end point 36.00.
http://www.fallschurchva.gov/councilmeetings
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
CDB
()
Date: October 27, 2015 06:25PM
If you all choose to keep your head in the sand and re-elect these deplorable individuals, the fate of not only our city, our community, and worst of all, our children's future safety and security will have all been sealed. Wake up people! These rotten apples have been left far too long so as to rott the rest of us. What will it take for you to do something, anything, to save us from ourselves?!?
Border Security is CHEAPER Than Wars
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 27, 2015 09:37PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 27, 2015 09:39PM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
MoveOn.org
()
Date: October 27, 2015 10:54PM
WingNut Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sigh....
>
>
> Like I was sayin' some 10 pages ago...
>
> Thank you Peggy Fox of WUSA 9, you are fucking
> awesome. She brought it to the homes and
> workplaces of these spineless bags of shit. This
> is what investigative reporting and TV is all
> about. Give this girl a raise, she is a good one.
>
> Tom Clinton looked like Jared Fogle must have when
> his search warrant was served. Why so nervous
> Tommy? I'd look into this guy if I was LE...
>
> Phil Duncan looked medicated and plain fucking
> weird petting his pussy. Google images "paul
> krugman cat". Odd.
>
> Well my faith the Gulch has been restored, I
> doubted you all for a month or two but I am
> relieved that there is finally some sense of
> outrage at not only the snob ruling class, but
> also the general blase bullshit way friends and
> family of EL Pedofaggo accepted and supported this
> lout.
>
> Good stuff here-
> http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/20/lette
> rs-in-behalf-of-gardner-after-first-trial-from-res
> idents-current-and-former-city-officials-released/
> Lots of pissed people, lots of good folks making
> great points. All the names and letters that were
> written supporting this fuckcase without any
> regard to the victims whatsoever.
>
> It's a long read to look at all the letters but
> many of them make me more sad than angry. Many are
> from relatives or co-workers/employees- some were
> probably horn swaggled into support out of blood
> loyalty and maintaining their livlihood.
>
> Many others were church people ( whatta fucking
> joke!) and the kind of community pests and PITA
> civic minded killjoy creeps who normal fun loving
> Americans try to avoid.
>
> Special FUCK YOU's to-
>
> Lindy Hockenberry- a foul mouthed substitute
> teacher and former FCC Big Cunt on Campus. I know
> your type too well, you are a group joiner, a
> getalong and a get wit nitwit. All your years of
> "service to the community" are tarnished by being
> such an asshole. Enjoy the rest of your life and
> being a nuisance at the church, the bake sale, the
> yard sale.. whatever the fuck your yenta ass does.
> Just please abstain from lecturing the public.
>
> Brian O'Connor- you insisted Gardner was no threat
> to the public. Great call, solicitor- he plotted
> murders before he won his appeal. Can he stay at
> your place when he's paroled in 2028?!?
>
> Debra Z. Roth- for all the good you claimed to
> have done and the bold proclamation as an
> advocate for abused and neglected kids, you forgot
> to do a little home work on the elephant in the
> room who was shitting all over the place. Did you
> not out of curiosity seek some answers as to WHY
> your close personal friend was CONVICTED? Are you
> some sheltered and naive little girl who allowed
> your ears to be filled with lies about the case?
> Fucking shameful.
>
> Robert A. Young- I can't help but think you are
> motivated by dollar signs and dollar signs only.
> Wharton Business school? You have no morals
> fucktard. I hope there is a car accident or some
> bad news from an oncologist in your future, you
> suck.
>
> Nicholas Benton- I grab a handful of copies
> whenever I am in FC and throw them straight into
> the recycle bin. Your newspaper is the kind of
> one-sided garbage one should expect from a
> dumbfuck who devoted himself to Lyndon Larouche
> when he was swindling geezers and blaming the Jews
> for everything. You will be remembered not as the
> kindly old eccentric fruitcake you present
> yourself as, but as you are- a demented partisan
> asshole who squandered the peoples trust and
> ruined what could have been a good small town
> paper. South Florida is calling you. Go old man.
>
>
> My mind is blown that these people with such good
> credentials and such high social status would
> believe a fatass pedofaggot and his shrill
> hemorrhoid of a spouse over some tragically abused
> kids.
>
> The Gardners were intelligent and educated people-
> but they were physically ugly and did not show any
> great charisma or appeal to me. None of you
> "believers" were uneducated or in desperate
> poverty and you followed this asshole couple to a
> very bad place.
>
> Please, ask yourself why. Take the time to learn
> about yourself and why this happened. Save all of
> the fucking lawyer speak and BS for someone else,
> the only "healing process" for you should be you.
> You will be forgiven, but your judgment will not
> be.
>
> This thread should have died after the second
> page. Next time, give the kids a chance, please.
Feeling better? You must owe the Gardners money.
There is no scorn worse then that of a reformed whore.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sigh....
>
>
> Like I was sayin' some 10 pages ago...
>
> Thank you Peggy Fox of WUSA 9, you are fucking
> awesome. She brought it to the homes and
> workplaces of these spineless bags of shit. This
> is what investigative reporting and TV is all
> about. Give this girl a raise, she is a good one.
>
> Tom Clinton looked like Jared Fogle must have when
> his search warrant was served. Why so nervous
> Tommy? I'd look into this guy if I was LE...
>
> Phil Duncan looked medicated and plain fucking
> weird petting his pussy. Google images "paul
> krugman cat". Odd.
>
> Well my faith the Gulch has been restored, I
> doubted you all for a month or two but I am
> relieved that there is finally some sense of
> outrage at not only the snob ruling class, but
> also the general blase bullshit way friends and
> family of EL Pedofaggo accepted and supported this
> lout.
>
> Good stuff here-
> http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/20/lette
> rs-in-behalf-of-gardner-after-first-trial-from-res
> idents-current-and-former-city-officials-released/
> Lots of pissed people, lots of good folks making
> great points. All the names and letters that were
> written supporting this fuckcase without any
> regard to the victims whatsoever.
>
> It's a long read to look at all the letters but
> many of them make me more sad than angry. Many are
> from relatives or co-workers/employees- some were
> probably horn swaggled into support out of blood
> loyalty and maintaining their livlihood.
>
> Many others were church people ( whatta fucking
> joke!) and the kind of community pests and PITA
> civic minded killjoy creeps who normal fun loving
> Americans try to avoid.
>
> Special FUCK YOU's to-
>
> Lindy Hockenberry- a foul mouthed substitute
> teacher and former FCC Big Cunt on Campus. I know
> your type too well, you are a group joiner, a
> getalong and a get wit nitwit. All your years of
> "service to the community" are tarnished by being
> such an asshole. Enjoy the rest of your life and
> being a nuisance at the church, the bake sale, the
> yard sale.. whatever the fuck your yenta ass does.
> Just please abstain from lecturing the public.
>
> Brian O'Connor- you insisted Gardner was no threat
> to the public. Great call, solicitor- he plotted
> murders before he won his appeal. Can he stay at
> your place when he's paroled in 2028?!?
>
> Debra Z. Roth- for all the good you claimed to
> have done and the bold proclamation as an
> advocate for abused and neglected kids, you forgot
> to do a little home work on the elephant in the
> room who was shitting all over the place. Did you
> not out of curiosity seek some answers as to WHY
> your close personal friend was CONVICTED? Are you
> some sheltered and naive little girl who allowed
> your ears to be filled with lies about the case?
> Fucking shameful.
>
> Robert A. Young- I can't help but think you are
> motivated by dollar signs and dollar signs only.
> Wharton Business school? You have no morals
> fucktard. I hope there is a car accident or some
> bad news from an oncologist in your future, you
> suck.
>
> Nicholas Benton- I grab a handful of copies
> whenever I am in FC and throw them straight into
> the recycle bin. Your newspaper is the kind of
> one-sided garbage one should expect from a
> dumbfuck who devoted himself to Lyndon Larouche
> when he was swindling geezers and blaming the Jews
> for everything. You will be remembered not as the
> kindly old eccentric fruitcake you present
> yourself as, but as you are- a demented partisan
> asshole who squandered the peoples trust and
> ruined what could have been a good small town
> paper. South Florida is calling you. Go old man.
>
>
> My mind is blown that these people with such good
> credentials and such high social status would
> believe a fatass pedofaggot and his shrill
> hemorrhoid of a spouse over some tragically abused
> kids.
>
> The Gardners were intelligent and educated people-
> but they were physically ugly and did not show any
> great charisma or appeal to me. None of you
> "believers" were uneducated or in desperate
> poverty and you followed this asshole couple to a
> very bad place.
>
> Please, ask yourself why. Take the time to learn
> about yourself and why this happened. Save all of
> the fucking lawyer speak and BS for someone else,
> the only "healing process" for you should be you.
> You will be forgiven, but your judgment will not
> be.
>
> This thread should have died after the second
> page. Next time, give the kids a chance, please.
Feeling better? You must owe the Gardners money.
There is no scorn worse then that of a reformed whore.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 27, 2015 10:57PM
.https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Judge Bean
()
Date: October 28, 2015 12:08AM
He's still at the detention center in Arlington. When's he going to moved to a more appropriate facility where he can receive counseling from his cellmates. Wondering how much this is costing us taxpayers for the duration of his sentence.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Grrrr!
()
Date: October 28, 2015 01:08AM
That pic is revolting!! How can anyone vote for someone like that?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 28, 2015 07:42PM
Judge Bean Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> He's still at the detention center in Arlington.
> When's he going to moved to a more appropriate
> facility where he can receive counseling from his
> cellmates. Wondering how much this is costing us
> taxpayers for the duration of his sentence.
Glad you asked that. Someone posting at FCP inquired and this was the city's response.
"Mr. Gardner was housed in Arlington while awaiting trial; not post-conviction. We do not have records that show jail costs by prisoner. However, I can tell you that Mr. Gardner was housed in the Arlington jail for just about one year, and the cost of that would be approximately $65,000.00."
That works out to around $178 a day, but that's jail time. Prison costs might be higher. I beleive he has reservations through 2031, so at $200 a day we're looking at $1,168,000 in current dollars.
In happier news, the GoFundMe account for the girls has raised over $10,000.
-------------------------------------------------------
> He's still at the detention center in Arlington.
> When's he going to moved to a more appropriate
> facility where he can receive counseling from his
> cellmates. Wondering how much this is costing us
> taxpayers for the duration of his sentence.
Glad you asked that. Someone posting at FCP inquired and this was the city's response.
"Mr. Gardner was housed in Arlington while awaiting trial; not post-conviction. We do not have records that show jail costs by prisoner. However, I can tell you that Mr. Gardner was housed in the Arlington jail for just about one year, and the cost of that would be approximately $65,000.00."
That works out to around $178 a day, but that's jail time. Prison costs might be higher. I beleive he has reservations through 2031, so at $200 a day we're looking at $1,168,000 in current dollars.
In happier news, the GoFundMe account for the girls has raised over $10,000.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
give it back
()
Date: October 29, 2015 03:45PM
Nick Benton's Campaign donations. Ms. Hardi (running for city council in FCC) and the others should immediately return his dirty money. There is no way I can vote for any of them until they do.
$350 Hardi for Falls Church City Council - Letty
$200 Ebbin for Senate - Adam
$100 Gross for Fairfax County Board of Supervisors - Penny
$75 Oleszek for Fairfax County Board of Supervisors - Janet
$50 Krizek for Delegate - Paul
$350 Hardi for Falls Church City Council - Letty
$200 Ebbin for Senate - Adam
$100 Gross for Fairfax County Board of Supervisors - Penny
$75 Oleszek for Fairfax County Board of Supervisors - Janet
$50 Krizek for Delegate - Paul
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
give it back
()
Date: October 29, 2015 03:49PM
These are all of the campaign donations made by Michael Gardner of the years. All of the organizations and individuals should donate the exact same amount given to them to the fund for the victims. The Democratic Party of Virginia will not get another dime from me until they do.
$1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
$750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
$750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
$500 Citizens for a Better City
$500 Moran for Governor - Brian
$500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
$500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
$500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
$500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
$500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
$250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of Supervisors - Michael
$250 Moving Virginia Forward
$250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
$200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
$200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
$150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
$1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
$750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
$750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
$500 Citizens for a Better City
$500 Moran for Governor - Brian
$500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
$500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
$500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
$500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
$500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
$250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of Supervisors - Michael
$250 Moving Virginia Forward
$250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
$200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
$200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
$150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ozark Hail
()
Date: October 29, 2015 04:21PM
give it back Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> These are all of the campaign donations made by
> Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> organizations and individuals should donate the
> exact same amount given to them to the fund for
> the victims. The Democratic Party of Virginia
> will not get another dime from me until they do.
>
> $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> $500 Citizens for a Better City
> $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of
> Supervisors - Michael
> $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
> $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
That's stupid
-------------------------------------------------------
> These are all of the campaign donations made by
> Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> organizations and individuals should donate the
> exact same amount given to them to the fund for
> the victims. The Democratic Party of Virginia
> will not get another dime from me until they do.
>
> $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> $500 Citizens for a Better City
> $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of
> Supervisors - Michael
> $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
> $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
That's stupid
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Pay-ola
()
Date: October 29, 2015 10:20PM
Given the documented proclivity of Robin(Bitchface)Garders' willingness to bribe,lie,cheat and pay off whoever she can to get her way, I wonder what exactly ms.rueada and ms.wittman received for thier complete betrayal of these girls. It must be significant to go back on years worth of promises and reassurances. If it wasn't money, did robin call in favors to help them with the advancement of thier careers? They reportedly said this big red bow tied gift of a deal was encouraged by boss man plowman who is "coincidentally" is running for office. Was this pay to play. You tell me. If I go to bed with no snow on the ground, wake up with snow on the ground, it's fair to assume,even though I didn't see it, it snowed while I slept. That's no stretch. As more public documents become available, this tragic story gets worse and worse. More to come,,, I assure you.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Alice
()
Date: October 29, 2015 10:32PM
Yea I saw Robin chumming up with Tom Clinton, having the balls to disparage the girls and the communities efforts to support them. This after he supposedly gave a public "apology" for his despicable and unforgivable actions given his position of authority. His ability to affect pressure and influence on these girls lives seems to be a determined and unchecked effort. What is going on with this fucked up local govt??? Since when does position trump accountability?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ben Dover
()
Date: October 29, 2015 10:50PM
Like most back room deals tend to be, these prosecutors were part of an unholy act of betrayal of the worst and most hainest kind. They obviously feel they're above the law and could care less of public opinion. Perhaps that's a result of some payment? I don't know,yet. I have a "guy" inside and we will see what plays out. Perhaps Rueada,Wittman, and Gardner can share lunch in the same jailhouse.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Question from a Non-Falls Church
()
Date: October 29, 2015 11:19PM
I don't have a dog in this fight politically because I do not live in Falls Church. However, I read about the POS male Gardner and the local kingdom will get voted out. Here is a question I have: who in their right mind is paying mommy Robin Gardner for any work? I thought about this analogy: the women is the same as a Waffen SS officer after the War that my grandfather killed in WW II. I am not referring to any SS at camps, just the fighters. She is a fanatical supporter of evil like the SS. Just a thought.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
I agree
()
Date: October 29, 2015 11:29PM
Ozark Hail Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> give it back Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These are all of the campaign donations made by
> > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > organizations and individuals should donate the
> > exact same amount given to them to the fund for
> > the victims. The Democratic Party of Virginia
> > will not get another dime from me until they
> do.
> >
> > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of
> > Supervisors - Michael
> > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
> > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
>
>
> That's stupid
Yeah. Holding candidates and political organizations affiliated with a pedophile is stupid. Moron.
-------------------------------------------------------
> give it back Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These are all of the campaign donations made by
> > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > organizations and individuals should donate the
> > exact same amount given to them to the fund for
> > the victims. The Democratic Party of Virginia
> > will not get another dime from me until they
> do.
> >
> > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of
> > Supervisors - Michael
> > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
> > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
>
>
> That's stupid
Yeah. Holding candidates and political organizations affiliated with a pedophile is stupid. Moron.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
just a guess
()
Date: October 29, 2015 11:34PM
Question from a Non-Falls Church Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't have a dog in this fight politically
> because I do not live in Falls Church. However, I
> read about the POS male Gardner and the local
> kingdom will get voted out. Here is a question I
> have: who in their right mind is paying mommy
> Robin Gardner for any work?
According to her linkedin page, this company:
http://www.octoconsulting.com/our-company
> I thought about this
> analogy: the women is the same as a Waffen SS
> officer after the War that my grandfather killed
> in WW II. I am not referring to any SS at camps,
> just the fighters. She is a fanatical supporter of
> evil like the SS. Just a thought.
She is an unrepentant person just like Nick Benton. She should not have been given immunity.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't have a dog in this fight politically
> because I do not live in Falls Church. However, I
> read about the POS male Gardner and the local
> kingdom will get voted out. Here is a question I
> have: who in their right mind is paying mommy
> Robin Gardner for any work?
According to her linkedin page, this company:
http://www.octoconsulting.com/our-company
> I thought about this
> analogy: the women is the same as a Waffen SS
> officer after the War that my grandfather killed
> in WW II. I am not referring to any SS at camps,
> just the fighters. She is a fanatical supporter of
> evil like the SS. Just a thought.
She is an unrepentant person just like Nick Benton. She should not have been given immunity.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ned
()
Date: October 30, 2015 12:01AM
Yea thanks a lot rueada and wittman!!! I'd take Benedict Arnold over these two traitors any day of the week and twice on Sunday!! At least he had a semblance of integrity, bad as he was.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
L-Derpa
()
Date: October 30, 2015 02:14AM
I agree Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ozark Hail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > give it back Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > These are all of the campaign donations made
> by
> > > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > > organizations and individuals should donate
> the
> > > exact same amount given to them to the fund
> for
> > > the victims. The Democratic Party of
> Virginia
> > > will not get another dime from me until they
> > do.
> > >
> > > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of
> > > Supervisors - Michael
> > > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
> > > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
> >
> >
> > That's stupid
>
>
> Yeah. Holding candidates and political
> organizations affiliated with a pedophile is
> stupid. Moron.
Um, try writing a lucid sentence before calling someone a moron...moron...
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ozark Hail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > give it back Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > These are all of the campaign donations made
> by
> > > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > > organizations and individuals should donate
> the
> > > exact same amount given to them to the fund
> for
> > > the victims. The Democratic Party of
> Virginia
> > > will not get another dime from me until they
> > do.
> > >
> > > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board of
> > > Supervisors - Michael
> > > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
> > > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
> >
> >
> > That's stupid
>
>
> Yeah. Holding candidates and political
> organizations affiliated with a pedophile is
> stupid. Moron.
Um, try writing a lucid sentence before calling someone a moron...moron...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Jr. tidy
()
Date: October 30, 2015 02:39AM
I understand and somewhat agree, however, we have more important things at hand than sentence structure. Please do what your able to as to affect change of "leadership". That's an important first step to repairing our community short term, and saving it long term. This whole Gardner click needs to go. It may be too late to get the word out but they know thier time has come and will do ANYTHING for self preservation. What the hell else are they qualified to do???
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Jerry Atric
()
Date: October 30, 2015 02:47AM
For all those interested, you can pick up your now available "we support the girls" sign at the farmers market this weekend. Donations welcome for those who are able. Any and all support welcome. Again, thanks to all those with a kind heart!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Meechum
()
Date: October 30, 2015 03:22AM
With rueada and wittman encouraging the latest victom(that we know of)to come forward under the apparent bullshit guise of doing the right thing for herself and the rest of the victims to get closure and ultimately begin the healing process is THE most farsicle thing I can ever remember hearing. They both put her well being and acceptance into an extremely well respected and difficult university to get into,in jeopardy solely for thier self affectuated benefit. After all these years of lies and deceit, what did they really gain besides padding there wallets and being on tv which I know they thrive on. Both of these attorneys either lied under oath, or lied to the victims and thier families for YEARS!!! It's one or the other, it can not be both nor niether. Like most bottom dwellers they have a keen sense of self preservation and can and obviously will do anything to achieve that. Funny how quick this was over when the judge said no more media.
Border Security is CHEAPER Than Wars
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: October 30, 2015 05:42AM
So are any kids going to trick or treat at the Gardner home Saturday or is there some notice from law enforcement on the door?
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
I agree
()
Date: October 30, 2015 07:41AM
L-Derpa Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I agree Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ozark Hail Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > give it back Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > These are all of the campaign donations
> made
> > by
> > > > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > > > organizations and individuals should donate
> > the
> > > > exact same amount given to them to the fund
> > for
> > > > the victims. The Democratic Party of
> > Virginia
> > > > will not get another dime from me until
> they
> > > do.
> > > >
> > > > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > > > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > > > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > > > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > > > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > > > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > > > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > > > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > > > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > > > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > > > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board
> of
> > > > Supervisors - Michael
> > > > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > > > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
>
> > > > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > > > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > > > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
> > >
> > >
> > > That's stupid
> >
> >
> > Yeah. Holding candidates and political
> > organizations affiliated with a pedophile is
> > stupid. Moron.
>
>
> Um, try writing a lucid sentence before calling
> someone a moron...moron...
English must not be your first language.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I agree Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ozark Hail Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > give it back Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > These are all of the campaign donations
> made
> > by
> > > > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > > > organizations and individuals should donate
> > the
> > > > exact same amount given to them to the fund
> > for
> > > > the victims. The Democratic Party of
> > Virginia
> > > > will not get another dime from me until
> they
> > > do.
> > > >
> > > > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > > > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > > > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > > > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > > > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > > > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > > > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > > > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > > > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > > > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > > > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board
> of
> > > > Supervisors - Michael
> > > > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > > > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
>
> > > > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > > > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > > > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
> > >
> > >
> > > That's stupid
> >
> >
> > Yeah. Holding candidates and political
> > organizations affiliated with a pedophile is
> > stupid. Moron.
>
>
> Um, try writing a lucid sentence before calling
> someone a moron...moron...
English must not be your first language.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
L-Derpa
()
Date: October 30, 2015 09:08AM
I agree Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> L-Derpa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ozark Hail Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > give it back Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > These are all of the campaign donations
> > made
> > > by
> > > > > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > > > > organizations and individuals should
> donate
> > > the
> > > > > exact same amount given to them to the
> fund
> > > for
> > > > > the victims. The Democratic Party of
> > > Virginia
> > > > > will not get another dime from me until
> > they
> > > > do.
> > > > >
> > > > > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > > > > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > > > > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > > > > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > > > > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > > > > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > > > > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > > > > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > > > > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > > > > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > > > > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board
> > of
> > > > > Supervisors - Michael
> > > > > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > > > > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
>
> >
> > > > > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > > > > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > > > > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's stupid
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah. Holding candidates and political
> > > organizations affiliated with a pedophile is
> > > stupid. Moron.
> >
> >
> > Um, try writing a lucid sentence before calling
> > someone a moron...moron...
>
>
> English must not be your first language.
You're obviously a product of the Fairfax County School System....
-------------------------------------------------------
> L-Derpa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ozark Hail Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > give it back Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > These are all of the campaign donations
> > made
> > > by
> > > > > Michael Gardner of the years. All of the
> > > > > organizations and individuals should
> donate
> > > the
> > > > > exact same amount given to them to the
> fund
> > > for
> > > > > the victims. The Democratic Party of
> > > Virginia
> > > > > will not get another dime from me until
> > they
> > > > do.
> > > > >
> > > > > $1,840 Democratic Party of Virginia
> > > > > $750 Miller for Delegate - Stevens
> > > > > $750 Whipple for Senate - Mary
> > > > > $500 Citizens for a Better City
> > > > > $500 Moran for Governor - Brian
> > > > > $500 Deeds for Governor - Creigh
> > > > > $500 Filler-Corn for Delegate - Eileen
> > > > > $500 Oleszek for Senate - Janet
> > > > > $500 Scott for Delegate - Jim
> > > > > $500 Martinez for Delegate - Marty
> > > > > $250 McClanahan for Fairfax County Board
> > of
> > > > > Supervisors - Michael
> > > > > $250 Moving Virginia Forward
> > > > > $250 Shannon for Attorney General - Steve
>
> >
> > > > > $200 Byrne for Lt Governor - Leslie
> > > > > $200 Warner Inaugural Committee 2002
> > > > > $150 Vanderhye for Delegate - Margaret
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's stupid
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah. Holding candidates and political
> > > organizations affiliated with a pedophile is
> > > stupid. Moron.
> >
> >
> > Um, try writing a lucid sentence before calling
> > someone a moron...moron...
>
>
> English must not be your first language.
You're obviously a product of the Fairfax County School System....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Broad Street
()
Date: October 30, 2015 09:18AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> So are any kids going to trick or treat at the
> Gardner home Saturday or is there some notice from
> law enforcement on the door?
Why don't you go pound on the door and run away before it's opened...
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> So are any kids going to trick or treat at the
> Gardner home Saturday or is there some notice from
> law enforcement on the door?
Why don't you go pound on the door and run away before it's opened...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 30, 2015 09:19AM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: October 30, 2015 03:29PM
WingNut, that was kind of tacky. Funny, but tacky.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: October 30, 2015 03:50PM
More spin from yesterday's News-Press. The editorial said in part:
"Right now, there are very impassioned views on more than one side of the issue of how appropriate or inappropriate it was for incumbent City Council candidate Phil Duncan, to join over a dozen citizens to pen a letter to the Arlington Circuit Court three years ago urging a more lenient, rather than harsh, sentencing for Michael Gardner, convicted of child abuse."
Child abuse? Nick makes it sound like Gardner locked his kids in the car or something.
"Right now, there are very impassioned views on more than one side of the issue of how appropriate or inappropriate it was for incumbent City Council candidate Phil Duncan, to join over a dozen citizens to pen a letter to the Arlington Circuit Court three years ago urging a more lenient, rather than harsh, sentencing for Michael Gardner, convicted of child abuse."
Child abuse? Nick makes it sound like Gardner locked his kids in the car or something.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: October 30, 2015 03:55PM
Oh, and I saw the first signs around town today. Good work everyone.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: October 31, 2015 12:43PM
The linked article is well worth reading, though it's quite long. If you're in a hurry, just read the excerpt below. Either way you'll be disgusted. Gardner should never be released:
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/30/and-it-gets-worse-a-parents-recounting-of-the-gardner-abuse-case-and-his-felony-conviction/
Part of the investigation that remained, was that the Virginia State Police sent in an undercover agent to pose to Gardner as a hit man. This was preceded by the informant writing a letter to Gardner saying that he had a friend that would be passing through on a run to New York who would stop by and might be able to help him with the “three little problems” they had discussed. The informant actually has mafia and other unsavory criminal connections, which is why Gardner approached him in the first place.
When the undercover officer, posing as a hit man, went to the Arlington County Detention Center to meet Gardner, he told Gardner that a mutual friend had sent him to check on him. Gardner did not ask for more information, and was quick to end the conversation, refusing to speak any longer to the visitor whom he had allowed (it is optional to accept visitors, and Gardner admitted him for a reason). The whole visit only lasted about a minute or less.
Gardner, seeing an opportunity to make himself look good, contacted his (second) team of defense lawyers, and alerted them that a hitman visited him in jail and asked for money to murder the children. He then directed his lawyer to contact Theo Stamos with this information. Neither the informant’s letter to Gardner, nor the conversation with the undercover officer, ever mentioned murder or kidnapping. In reporting this to his lawyers, and having them report it to Stamos, he in effect “ratted” himself out. Through his machinations, he confirmed that there actually had been a conversation of the content that the informant described, or else he would not have known why the “hit man” (undercover agent) was at the jail to visit him.
http://www.thefallschurchpost.com/2015/10/30/and-it-gets-worse-a-parents-recounting-of-the-gardner-abuse-case-and-his-felony-conviction/
Part of the investigation that remained, was that the Virginia State Police sent in an undercover agent to pose to Gardner as a hit man. This was preceded by the informant writing a letter to Gardner saying that he had a friend that would be passing through on a run to New York who would stop by and might be able to help him with the “three little problems” they had discussed. The informant actually has mafia and other unsavory criminal connections, which is why Gardner approached him in the first place.
When the undercover officer, posing as a hit man, went to the Arlington County Detention Center to meet Gardner, he told Gardner that a mutual friend had sent him to check on him. Gardner did not ask for more information, and was quick to end the conversation, refusing to speak any longer to the visitor whom he had allowed (it is optional to accept visitors, and Gardner admitted him for a reason). The whole visit only lasted about a minute or less.
Gardner, seeing an opportunity to make himself look good, contacted his (second) team of defense lawyers, and alerted them that a hitman visited him in jail and asked for money to murder the children. He then directed his lawyer to contact Theo Stamos with this information. Neither the informant’s letter to Gardner, nor the conversation with the undercover officer, ever mentioned murder or kidnapping. In reporting this to his lawyers, and having them report it to Stamos, he in effect “ratted” himself out. Through his machinations, he confirmed that there actually had been a conversation of the content that the informant described, or else he would not have known why the “hit man” (undercover agent) was at the jail to visit him.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Paul Tree
()
Date: October 31, 2015 04:12PM
I would respectfully welcome you to the fact based discussion. This set of documents is NOT all inclusive. The facts lay out much much worse than what's here. If you want to read something REALLY awful, read the transcripts of the dicaplinary hearing which reveals that rueada AND wittman either purjored themselves, OR, were lying to the girls,their families, prior court statements and the media; for YEARS!! I ask myself which one is worse and I keep going back and forth because they're both so terrible.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: October 31, 2015 06:45PM
@Paul: do you have a link to that information?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Paul Tree
()
Date: October 31, 2015 07:20PM
Lots of kids here, I'm working on that. Happy Halloween everybody!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Things that make you go hmmmm
()
Date: October 31, 2015 08:37PM
Lots of kids here, I'm working on that.
?
?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Diago
()
Date: October 31, 2015 09:59PM
Trick or treaters. FYI, it's Halloween. Good turn out this year, better weather.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Booberry
()
Date: November 01, 2015 08:55AM
I wore a John Gardner outfit for halloween, and when the little shits came to my door I scared the hell outta 'em!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Rick Shaw
()
Date: November 01, 2015 09:16AM
Hahahahahaha! I wish I had thought of that!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Rip torn
()
Date: November 03, 2015 11:49AM
I hope everyone goes and votes these assholes out of office today!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: November 03, 2015 09:36PM
Results are in.
Phil Duncan was re-elected by a margin of 81 votes. Five candidates were running for three open council seats. Phil won the third most votes, though he was 600 votes behind his protege, Letty Hardi.
Duncan wrote a letter in Michael Gardner's behalf and referenced his office below his signature. Although the letter didn't have a FCC letterhead, it was clear that an elected official was lobbying for a reduced sentence for a pedophile.
This is abuse of office, plain and simple, regardless of the crime. It's also plain that the FCC electorate doesn't care.
The other big winner tonight was Nick Benton, who did his best to advance Duncan's cause via the FCNP.
All in all a disastrous night for decency in The Little City.
Phil Duncan was re-elected by a margin of 81 votes. Five candidates were running for three open council seats. Phil won the third most votes, though he was 600 votes behind his protege, Letty Hardi.
Duncan wrote a letter in Michael Gardner's behalf and referenced his office below his signature. Although the letter didn't have a FCC letterhead, it was clear that an elected official was lobbying for a reduced sentence for a pedophile.
This is abuse of office, plain and simple, regardless of the crime. It's also plain that the FCC electorate doesn't care.
The other big winner tonight was Nick Benton, who did his best to advance Duncan's cause via the FCNP.
All in all a disastrous night for decency in The Little City.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: November 04, 2015 07:21AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Blue Boy
()
Date: November 04, 2015 08:56AM
The pedofile cabal wins!
Leftist buttplug...LOL
Leftist buttplug...LOL
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: November 04, 2015 09:31AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Shoulda had a slam dunk with this but maybe some
> of these Falls Church douchebags never heard the
> news about Phil Duncan and maybe some of the
> absentee/early ballots were cast before the
> revelations were made.
Most of Duncan's 81 vote margin came from absentee ballots. Here is a link to the complete results:
http://www.fallschurchva.gov/DocumentCenter/View/5188
The city truly disgraced itself last night.
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> Shoulda had a slam dunk with this but maybe some
> of these Falls Church douchebags never heard the
> news about Phil Duncan and maybe some of the
> absentee/early ballots were cast before the
> revelations were made.
Most of Duncan's 81 vote margin came from absentee ballots. Here is a link to the complete results:
http://www.fallschurchva.gov/DocumentCenter/View/5188
The city truly disgraced itself last night.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Shameful
()
Date: November 04, 2015 09:35AM
I'll hold my nose when I drive through Falls Church...
One hand on my nose, the other on my cell phone. The little girl on my lap will have to do the steering.
One hand on my nose, the other on my cell phone. The little girl on my lap will have to do the steering.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Fuck U
()
Date: November 07, 2015 12:43AM
You are one fucked up individual. Are you related to the gardeners by chance?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Churchian
()
Date: November 07, 2015 08:23AM
Fuck U Wrote:
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> You are one fucked up individual. Are you related
> to the gardeners by chance?
The "gardeners"?
Is the local gardening community a part of this pedofag buttplug cabal, too?
Damn, they really are everywhere!
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> You are one fucked up individual. Are you related
> to the gardeners by chance?
The "gardeners"?
Is the local gardening community a part of this pedofag buttplug cabal, too?
Damn, they really are everywhere!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Fuck U
()
Date: November 07, 2015 09:54AM
You know what I ment!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Retired Investigator
()
Date: November 07, 2015 10:21AM
Not so fast. This fellow sounds like a complete illiterate imbecile, but he might have hit on something! Gardeners are everywhere! Mincing about with their trowels in the dirt, hiding in plain sight at elementary schools in the educational gardens, holding forth at booths at farmer's markets...they're in a perfect position to prey upon our youth!
And Falls Church is a hotbed of gardening!
Beware, gardeners, we know what you're up to...
And Falls Church is a hotbed of gardening!
Beware, gardeners, we know what you're up to...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FC Observer
()
Date: November 07, 2015 02:34PM
All funny retorts about gardeners aside, the last part of Shameful's post was pretty gross! I don't know that it's realistic to focus more on grammar and spelling than substance, especially on a community blog site. Keep those interesting posts coming!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Cole kutz
()
Date: November 07, 2015 11:24PM
No wonder those assholes got re-elected, this town is full of cowards who can't support their own position,so choose to deflect from thier glaring mental defects by focusing on minor grammar errors. What a sad bunch you are! I'm beginning to agree with wingnut,liberals ARE soulless wastes of space. No real surprise you bottom feeders herd in mass!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Alice
()
Date: November 07, 2015 11:53PM
So,let me get this straight. You spend your time on a blog site solely to make grammatical corrections?? That can't be right. There is a whole big world out there and you should drag your pasty ass out of your mothers basement and go experience some of it. Unless of course, and I'm just "guessing" here, that you have already proven you have nothing to offer society or mankind for that matter. What a monumental LOSER!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Retired Investigator
()
Date: November 08, 2015 12:24AM
Regrettably true, that's precisely why I am retired. I never could find my ass with both hands, unless my thumb was already inserted. Sorry everyone! I'm just an old incompetent fool.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Article IV
()
Date: November 08, 2015 01:08AM
So are gardeners safe or not?
This is very confusing.
Falls Church is a strange place!
This is very confusing.
Falls Church is a strange place!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Haven
()
Date: November 08, 2015 01:57AM
Safe for you? Maybe in this liberal shithole but once you step into the real world, you'll only be saved by those who pitty you. Make no mistake, they still despise you but that just reinforces that we are a better people than you can even fathom.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Dazed onlooker
()
Date: November 08, 2015 09:02AM
Haven Wrote:
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> Safe for you? Maybe in this liberal shithole but
> once you step into the real world, you'll only be
> saved by those who pitty you. Make no mistake,
> they still despise you but that just reinforces
> that we are a better people than you can even
> fathom.
Seriously, what in the world are you talking about? 2am crazy/drunk post. You sound even more delusional than Gardner's supporters
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> Safe for you? Maybe in this liberal shithole but
> once you step into the real world, you'll only be
> saved by those who pitty you. Make no mistake,
> they still despise you but that just reinforces
> that we are a better people than you can even
> fathom.
Seriously, what in the world are you talking about? 2am crazy/drunk post. You sound even more delusional than Gardner's supporters
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: November 17, 2015 07:20AM
Look who's back on the sex offender registry.
http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: November 17, 2015 09:28AM
COL Mustard Wrote:
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> Look who's back on the sex offender registry.
>
> http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderD
> etails.html?regId=37129
That is not a happy mug LOL!
Attachments:
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> Look who's back on the sex offender registry.
>
> http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderD
> etails.html?regId=37129
That is not a happy mug LOL!
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: November 17, 2015 09:34AM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
jail vs. prison
()
Date: November 17, 2015 12:44PM
It's been almost two moths since his conviction. Why is he still being housed locally?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
just like a hog
()
Date: November 17, 2015 01:40PM
weeeeee
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Frauenkirche
()
Date: November 17, 2015 02:21PM
The mouth-breathers are out again.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
which side are you on?
()
Date: November 17, 2015 02:27PM
Frauenkirche Wrote:
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> The mouth-breathers are out again.
Who might that be? The people who oppose a pedophile and his supporters? Yeah, such vile scum!
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> The mouth-breathers are out again.
Who might that be? The people who oppose a pedophile and his supporters? Yeah, such vile scum!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Churchian
()
Date: November 17, 2015 05:15PM
which side are you on? Wrote:
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> Frauenkirche Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The mouth-breathers are out again.
>
>
> Who might that be? The people who oppose a
> pedophile and his supporters? Yeah, such vile
> scum!
Nice deflect....
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> Frauenkirche Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The mouth-breathers are out again.
>
>
> Who might that be? The people who oppose a
> pedophile and his supporters? Yeah, such vile
> scum!
Nice deflect....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sublimate Jake
()
Date: November 17, 2015 07:43PM
I lie awake at night, just imagining that Gardner is being raped by a tall, handsome, oh-so-muscular black man, who's rough, but who also has a sensitive side.
That Gardner is such a pervert.
That Gardner is such a pervert.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: November 17, 2015 08:23PM
I've heard that Robin is angry about the many "Support the Girls" signs that have sprung up around the city.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: November 17, 2015 08:50PM
@ Old Man: Good!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
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WingNut
()
Date: November 17, 2015 09:07PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Border Security is CHEAPER Than Wars
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: November 17, 2015 09:08PM
https://www.gofundme.com/WeSUPPORTtheGIRLS
I think that's it folks.
I think that's it folks.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: November 17, 2015 11:07PM
There's a bunch at the Sunoco station at Broad & West. I'm sure she sees them every day.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Close to home
()
Date: November 19, 2015 08:23AM
Can anyone explain to me in detail the plea deal that Michael Gardner took and what it means?
Did he admit to molesting these girls or not? I am reading conflicting accounts!
Also why was it important for Gardner to get immunity for his wife Robin Gardner? If she was not involved to trying to hire a hit man, why would she need to get immunity as part of the deal? Can you get immunity from crimes you never committed?
I would really appreciate if someone could explain this to me or link to any court documents.
Did he admit to molesting these girls or not? I am reading conflicting accounts!
Also why was it important for Gardner to get immunity for his wife Robin Gardner? If she was not involved to trying to hire a hit man, why would she need to get immunity as part of the deal? Can you get immunity from crimes you never committed?
I would really appreciate if someone could explain this to me or link to any court documents.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut Just Passing Through
()
Date: November 19, 2015 10:44AM
Close to home Wrote:
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> Can anyone explain to me in detail the plea deal
> that Michael Gardner took and what it means?
>
> Did he admit to molesting these girls or not? I am
> reading conflicting accounts!
>
> Also why was it important for Gardner to get
> immunity for his wife Robin Gardner? If she was
> not involved to trying to hire a hit man, why
> would she need to get immunity as part of the
> deal? Can you get immunity from crimes you never
> committed?
>
> I would really appreciate if someone could explain
> this to me or link to any court documents.
I think the plea deal required an admission of guilt, ie not a "no contest" or Alford Plea, but I think he was allowed to weasel with the admission, I think there is usually something called a statement of facts that is a legally signed document admitting the specifics of the crime. Not sure if he signed one, I think he didn't.
Robin Gardner is guilty of something. No one is granted immunity for not doing anything. Now I do not think she molested any kids or had any beforehand knowledge that her husband was going to molest kids, but I would bet she tried to bury the truth (she knows) by stalling the investigators or destroying evidence. She may have also been involved in (wittingly or not) or communicating to or delivering funds to the jailhouse informant who Michael Gardner attempted to enlist as a hit man.
I am not sure if the actual legal documents have been or can be posted, but you can catch up a lot on the case just within this thread by reading the links and news stories. If you still need more info, I will try to explain when I am back online Tuesday.
In short, Michael Gardner is an habitual child molester, do not believe any bullshit that any man took a plea of 20 yrs in prison to "protect his family".
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> Can anyone explain to me in detail the plea deal
> that Michael Gardner took and what it means?
>
> Did he admit to molesting these girls or not? I am
> reading conflicting accounts!
>
> Also why was it important for Gardner to get
> immunity for his wife Robin Gardner? If she was
> not involved to trying to hire a hit man, why
> would she need to get immunity as part of the
> deal? Can you get immunity from crimes you never
> committed?
>
> I would really appreciate if someone could explain
> this to me or link to any court documents.
I think the plea deal required an admission of guilt, ie not a "no contest" or Alford Plea, but I think he was allowed to weasel with the admission, I think there is usually something called a statement of facts that is a legally signed document admitting the specifics of the crime. Not sure if he signed one, I think he didn't.
Robin Gardner is guilty of something. No one is granted immunity for not doing anything. Now I do not think she molested any kids or had any beforehand knowledge that her husband was going to molest kids, but I would bet she tried to bury the truth (she knows) by stalling the investigators or destroying evidence. She may have also been involved in (wittingly or not) or communicating to or delivering funds to the jailhouse informant who Michael Gardner attempted to enlist as a hit man.
I am not sure if the actual legal documents have been or can be posted, but you can catch up a lot on the case just within this thread by reading the links and news stories. If you still need more info, I will try to explain when I am back online Tuesday.
In short, Michael Gardner is an habitual child molester, do not believe any bullshit that any man took a plea of 20 yrs in prison to "protect his family".
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: November 19, 2015 01:21PM
This is from a Falls Church Post story written by the father of one of the girls (emphasis added).
"We learned that this information had come from a reliable informant who was incarcerated with Gardner in maximum security prison, before Gardner was released by the Virginia Supreme Court in the summer of 2014. The informant is someone that developed a close enough friendship with Gardner that his wife, ROBIN, HAD DEPOSITED MONEY INTO HIS COMMISSARY ACCOUNT. We also learned that law enforcement had already done an extensive investigation, and that in their estimation, the threat was fairly low, but still real, and they had found NO “ACTS IN FURTHERANCE.""
Had there been any evidence of an act of furtherance (i.e., stronger evidence of a plot or an actual attempt to kill the girls) then Robin very likely would have been arrested as an accessory. Presumably Robin now is off the hook if such evidence were to surface.
If you haven't already, see my October 31 post above, which explains how Gardner ratted himself out. There also is a link to the full FCP article. Of course Gardner's defenders will dismiss the account, given the source.
Unfortunately, with the exception of Peggy Fox, this case has been under-covered by local media. There are a number of reasons for this which I won't bother to detail. As a result, it has been up to people such as WingNut and myself to try to fill in some gaps.
The full story may never be known, due to a combination of the indiffence of some parties and the intentions of others. Perhaps the only way some things will come to light will be if a gifted "true crime" author digs into the case and emerges with a book.
"We learned that this information had come from a reliable informant who was incarcerated with Gardner in maximum security prison, before Gardner was released by the Virginia Supreme Court in the summer of 2014. The informant is someone that developed a close enough friendship with Gardner that his wife, ROBIN, HAD DEPOSITED MONEY INTO HIS COMMISSARY ACCOUNT. We also learned that law enforcement had already done an extensive investigation, and that in their estimation, the threat was fairly low, but still real, and they had found NO “ACTS IN FURTHERANCE.""
Had there been any evidence of an act of furtherance (i.e., stronger evidence of a plot or an actual attempt to kill the girls) then Robin very likely would have been arrested as an accessory. Presumably Robin now is off the hook if such evidence were to surface.
If you haven't already, see my October 31 post above, which explains how Gardner ratted himself out. There also is a link to the full FCP article. Of course Gardner's defenders will dismiss the account, given the source.
Unfortunately, with the exception of Peggy Fox, this case has been under-covered by local media. There are a number of reasons for this which I won't bother to detail. As a result, it has been up to people such as WingNut and myself to try to fill in some gaps.
The full story may never be known, due to a combination of the indiffence of some parties and the intentions of others. Perhaps the only way some things will come to light will be if a gifted "true crime" author digs into the case and emerges with a book.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
How many times
()
Date: November 21, 2015 06:19PM
has Michael been raped?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: November 22, 2015 03:32PM
@ How Many Times: You're disgusting. Incarceration is one thing, but prison rape (and vengeance) is another. What Gardner did deserves a long prison sentence, but there's no room for prison rape.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Hope he gets it good
()
Date: November 22, 2015 06:40PM
@ Col Mustard
This guy deserves anything that comes his way in the big house. Yes, a good lesson by a lifer would be awesome! Why don't you put some money in his canteen fund while your at it.
This guy deserves anything that comes his way in the big house. Yes, a good lesson by a lifer would be awesome! Why don't you put some money in his canteen fund while your at it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Caged Heat
()
Date: November 25, 2015 09:16AM
^^^^^^^^^
Yet again, the hypersexualized prison rape fantasy from one of our upstanding citizens, ostensibly concerned only for "the children."
"Hope he gets it good."
You probably meant, "hope I get it good."
Yet again, the hypersexualized prison rape fantasy from one of our upstanding citizens, ostensibly concerned only for "the children."
"Hope he gets it good."
You probably meant, "hope I get it good."
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
WingNut Just Passing Through
()
Date: November 29, 2015 10:57PM
COL Mustard Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What Gardner did deserves a
> long prison sentence, but there's no room for
> prison rape.
It will probably take a few pokings, but eventually there will be room.
-------------------------------------------------------
> What Gardner did deserves a
> long prison sentence, but there's no room for
> prison rape.
It will probably take a few pokings, but eventually there will be room.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Erica Gonzales
()
Date: December 10, 2015 11:22PM
I hope he is sodomized this Christmas. No need to be lonely during the holidays.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
mikey47
()
Date: December 11, 2015 12:01AM
Turn $6 into $1,000’s!!! No Scam, Read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroup, just
like you are now and came across an article similar to this that said
you could make thousands dollars within weeks with only an initial
investment of $6.00! So I thought, “Yeah, right, this must be a scam”,
but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. : Anyway, it
said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in
the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of
the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroup. (There
are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and
talking to few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured what
have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Like most of us I
was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of
it : All, So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Then I
invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!?. Within 7 days, I started
getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon,
but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about
$25.00. By the end second week I had made a total over $1,000.00! In
the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it’s still growing. This is
now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and
it’s still coming in rapidly. Its : Certainly worth $6.00, and 6
stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you
HOW this works and most importantly, WHY it works! Also, make sure you
print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of
it as you need it.
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the
following on each piece of paper “PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.”
STEP 2: Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of
paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent
thievery.
STEP 3: Next, place one paper in each stating the above phrase, your
name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a
service by this. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!
STEP 4: Mail the 6 envelopes to the
following addresses:
#1)Tony Childs 5339 east ocean blvd. # F, Long Beach,Ca 90803
#2)Tawny Cole 3512 Lockport St. Las Vegas, NV 89129
#3)Matthew Dickerson, 548 Lake St, Morgantown WV 26505
#4) Chad Hinkle
701 Western Apt 319 97501
#5) Erika Evans, 1103 forest ave, bronx NY, 10456
#6) Milad Abadi, 7749 Quail Run Lane, Manassas, Va, 20109
STEP 5: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc?.) and add YOUR Name as
number 6 on the list.
STEP 6: Change anything you need to, but try to
keep this article as close to original as possible.
STEP 7: Now, post your
amended article to at least 200 newsgroups, message board. (I think
there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember,
the more you post, the more money you make!
SO START NOW!!!!!
REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS OR MESSAGE BOARD YOU
POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!!
BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**
That’s it! You will begin
receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually
can rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive.
If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as
the postman will deliver it.
**JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE
CORRECT. ** :
Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only
5 replies (a very low example). So then I Made $5.00 with my name at #6
on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make
the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons
respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now
those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5
replies each, I will bring in an additional :$125.00! Now, those 125
persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and
only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625.00! OK, now
here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200
letters with my name at #2 and they only receive 5 replies, that just
made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message
to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200
newsgroups react I will receive $15,625.00! With an original investment
of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you
just take latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00
to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start
posting again. The thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands
of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these
articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $6.. and
see if it really works!! I know it to be true! People have said, ‘what
if the plan is played out and no one sends you: the money? So what are
the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users
and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups
everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to
50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual
Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!?!?!?!?
——————————————————–
Seriously,
most people think this is a scam, but you actually do get thousands of
dollars out of it, it is NOT another stupid scam, if people follow
through with sending out $6, it works!!!!!
THIS REALLY CAN MAKE YOU EASY
MONEY!! IT WORKS !!! BUT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER FOR IT TO
WORK!!!!
A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroup, just
like you are now and came across an article similar to this that said
you could make thousands dollars within weeks with only an initial
investment of $6.00! So I thought, “Yeah, right, this must be a scam”,
but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. : Anyway, it
said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in
the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of
the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroup. (There
are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and
talking to few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured what
have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Like most of us I
was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of
it : All, So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Then I
invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!?. Within 7 days, I started
getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon,
but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about
$25.00. By the end second week I had made a total over $1,000.00! In
the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it’s still growing. This is
now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and
it’s still coming in rapidly. Its : Certainly worth $6.00, and 6
stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you
HOW this works and most importantly, WHY it works! Also, make sure you
print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of
it as you need it.
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the
following on each piece of paper “PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.”
STEP 2: Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of
paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent
thievery.
STEP 3: Next, place one paper in each stating the above phrase, your
name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a
service by this. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!
STEP 4: Mail the 6 envelopes to the
following addresses:
#1)Tony Childs 5339 east ocean blvd. # F, Long Beach,Ca 90803
#2)Tawny Cole 3512 Lockport St. Las Vegas, NV 89129
#3)Matthew Dickerson, 548 Lake St, Morgantown WV 26505
#4) Chad Hinkle
701 Western Apt 319 97501
#5) Erika Evans, 1103 forest ave, bronx NY, 10456
#6) Milad Abadi, 7749 Quail Run Lane, Manassas, Va, 20109
STEP 5: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc?.) and add YOUR Name as
number 6 on the list.
STEP 6: Change anything you need to, but try to
keep this article as close to original as possible.
STEP 7: Now, post your
amended article to at least 200 newsgroups, message board. (I think
there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember,
the more you post, the more money you make!
SO START NOW!!!!!
REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS OR MESSAGE BOARD YOU
POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!!
BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**
That’s it! You will begin
receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually
can rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive.
If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as
the postman will deliver it.
**JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE
CORRECT. ** :
Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only
5 replies (a very low example). So then I Made $5.00 with my name at #6
on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make
the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons
respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now
those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5
replies each, I will bring in an additional :$125.00! Now, those 125
persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and
only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625.00! OK, now
here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200
letters with my name at #2 and they only receive 5 replies, that just
made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message
to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200
newsgroups react I will receive $15,625.00! With an original investment
of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you
just take latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00
to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start
posting again. The thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands
of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these
articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $6.. and
see if it really works!! I know it to be true! People have said, ‘what
if the plan is played out and no one sends you: the money? So what are
the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users
and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups
everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to
50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual
Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!?!?!?!?
——————————————————–
Seriously,
most people think this is a scam, but you actually do get thousands of
dollars out of it, it is NOT another stupid scam, if people follow
through with sending out $6, it works!!!!!
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: January 09, 2016 09:45PM
Hey WingNut,
You're a great source of information on this thread. I was looking at the GoFundme site, and I noticed that there was a donation by Jennifer Sigler. Do you know if she is any relation to Robin? Wouldn't that be something?
Also, do you know if anyone has trademarked "We Support The Girls "? If no one has, maybe someone should.
You're a great source of information on this thread. I was looking at the GoFundme site, and I noticed that there was a donation by Jennifer Sigler. Do you know if she is any relation to Robin? Wouldn't that be something?
Also, do you know if anyone has trademarked "We Support The Girls "? If no one has, maybe someone should.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Sad News
()
Date: January 10, 2016 01:00AM
WingNut's dead, man....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
castratehim
()
Date: January 10, 2016 02:51PM
Anyone know why this asshole is still I. The Alexandria city jail and not somewhere down state?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: January 10, 2016 03:41PM
According to the sex offender registry he is still in jail.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
vHE64
()
Date: January 10, 2016 07:05PM
what your not understanding is they are all corrupt liberal
he simply found out when a pissed off wife liberal wants to harm, she can direct the corruption better than he can
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
jK7E4
()
Date: January 10, 2016 07:06PM
i could find hellish ammounts of anti-social abuse of gov on both of them neither of them will ever get charged with
its' all BULLSHIT
its' all BULLSHIT
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Digger
()
Date: January 19, 2016 12:34AM
Col Mustard -
Mrs. Sigler is the sister-in-law of Robin Gardner and is involved as a parent
in the case.
Mrs. Sigler is the sister-in-law of Robin Gardner and is involved as a parent
in the case.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: January 19, 2016 06:24AM
Thanks Digger. I'm sure the next dozen or so Thanksgiving gatherings will be very interesting for that family.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 03, 2016 09:20AM
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
seems preferential
()
Date: February 05, 2016 02:05PM
So, he pleaded guilty and sentenced in September and is still being housed in the Alexandria City Jail. Does this seem normal to anyone else?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Senor Senior
()
Date: February 24, 2016 11:55PM
Has anyone else seen noticed that the GoFundMe donations balance for We Support The Girls seems to be going backwards? From what I remember about the early donations made before the election, one of the candidates donated a very large amount, which appears to have disappeared. What are the chances that this is a coincidence, especially since this candidate was not victorious. This just plain looks bad, and we all know how important optics are in this town.
Aside from that, what kind of person would do that? Better to not donate at all, I should think. We really need to clean up our Little City, folks.
Aside from that, what kind of person would do that? Better to not donate at all, I should think. We really need to clean up our Little City, folks.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 25, 2016 10:12AM
Senor Senior Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Has anyone else seen noticed that the GoFundMe
> donations balance for We Support The Girls seems
> to be going backwards? From what I remember about
> the early donations made before the election, one
> of the candidates donated a very large amount,
> which appears to have disappeared. What are the
> chances that this is a coincidence, especially
> since this candidate was not victorious. This
> just plain looks bad, and we all know how
> important optics are in this town.
>
> Aside from that, what kind of person would do
> that? Better to not donate at all, I should
> think. We really need to clean up our Little
> City, folks.
Yes, the $5,000 donation made by Ms. Smeardon is no longer listed. This should reflect solely on her and not on the Support the Girls campaign.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Has anyone else seen noticed that the GoFundMe
> donations balance for We Support The Girls seems
> to be going backwards? From what I remember about
> the early donations made before the election, one
> of the candidates donated a very large amount,
> which appears to have disappeared. What are the
> chances that this is a coincidence, especially
> since this candidate was not victorious. This
> just plain looks bad, and we all know how
> important optics are in this town.
>
> Aside from that, what kind of person would do
> that? Better to not donate at all, I should
> think. We really need to clean up our Little
> City, folks.
Yes, the $5,000 donation made by Ms. Smeardon is no longer listed. This should reflect solely on her and not on the Support the Girls campaign.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 25, 2016 10:45AM
seems preferential Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, he pleaded guilty and sentenced in September
> and is still being housed in the Alexandria City
> Jail. Does this seem normal to anyone else?
I know the prison system is crowded, but it's been five months since he was convicted and he still is in the ACDC. You would think he should have been moved to a state facility by now.
On the other hand, the administrators may try to keep guys like Gardner away from most of the prison population for their own safety, so it may be harder to find him a place.
Remember this scene from LA Confidential? Convicts' attitudes toward "kiddie rapers" probably haven't changed much in 60 years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fazL400MI70
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, he pleaded guilty and sentenced in September
> and is still being housed in the Alexandria City
> Jail. Does this seem normal to anyone else?
I know the prison system is crowded, but it's been five months since he was convicted and he still is in the ACDC. You would think he should have been moved to a state facility by now.
On the other hand, the administrators may try to keep guys like Gardner away from most of the prison population for their own safety, so it may be harder to find him a place.
Remember this scene from LA Confidential? Convicts' attitudes toward "kiddie rapers" probably haven't changed much in 60 years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fazL400MI70
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
is this true?
()
Date: February 25, 2016 10:55AM
seems preferential Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, he pleaded guilty and sentenced in September
> and is still being housed in the Alexandria City
> Jail. Does this seem normal to anyone else?
Is he still in Alexandria jail?
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, he pleaded guilty and sentenced in September
> and is still being housed in the Alexandria City
> Jail. Does this seem normal to anyone else?
Is he still in Alexandria jail?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: February 25, 2016 12:57PM
is this true? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> seems preferential Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, he pleaded guilty and sentenced in
> September
> > and is still being housed in the Alexandria
> City
> > Jail. Does this seem normal to anyone else?
>
>
> Is he still in Alexandria jail?
According to the Virginia sex offender registry he is still in Jail. This may not be updated as often as it should be, though if the person is in custody and serving a lengthy sentence it's not an urgent matter.
His name was removed from the register after his initial conviction was vacated. The current entry dates to October 17, 2015.
-------------------------------------------------------
> seems preferential Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, he pleaded guilty and sentenced in
> September
> > and is still being housed in the Alexandria
> City
> > Jail. Does this seem normal to anyone else?
>
>
> Is he still in Alexandria jail?
According to the Virginia sex offender registry he is still in Jail. This may not be updated as often as it should be, though if the person is in custody and serving a lengthy sentence it's not an urgent matter.
His name was removed from the register after his initial conviction was vacated. The current entry dates to October 17, 2015.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
send him down state
()
Date: April 06, 2016 03:44PM
Still in Alexandria City Jail. Ship him off already.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Scoop
()
Date: April 21, 2016 10:43PM
Have heard the plan is for Gardner to land in a cushy, downgraded state facility while we are distracted, likely around Memorial Day or FOJ this year.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
SRSLY castrate him
()
Date: April 22, 2016 12:26AM
Scoop Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Have heard the plan is for Gardner to land in a
> cushy, downgraded state facility while we are
> distracted, likely around Memorial Day or FOJ this
> year.
Undoubtedly because of his connections to Terry McAuliffe and Hillary Clinton. Both should be brought to task over this decision.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Have heard the plan is for Gardner to land in a
> cushy, downgraded state facility while we are
> distracted, likely around Memorial Day or FOJ this
> year.
Undoubtedly because of his connections to Terry McAuliffe and Hillary Clinton. Both should be brought to task over this decision.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
2 sets of laws
()
Date: April 22, 2016 07:53AM
Gardner's wife was trying to get appointed to the governors sentencing reform panel. If that's not a joke, i don't know what is.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Justice Delayed
()
Date: April 22, 2016 09:12AM
It's that durn pedofag cabal, setting Gardner up for a soft easy time in jail...
If only Wangnut hadn't been kilt by the pedofags, Gardner would be breakin' rocks on the prison stone quarry.
If only Wangnut hadn't been kilt by the pedofags, Gardner would be breakin' rocks on the prison stone quarry.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The Old Man in FC
()
Date: April 22, 2016 11:32AM
It's been over six months since his conviction so you would think by now that they would have found a place for him in the prison system. However, I know of another molestation case where the perp served his entire time in FCDC. On the other hand, that was a number of years ago and that person's sentence was nowhere near as long as Gardner's.
In any case, his lengthy stay in Alexandria inevitably raises questions about preferential treatment. I hardly need to go into the Gardners' political connections.
In any case, his lengthy stay in Alexandria inevitably raises questions about preferential treatment. I hardly need to go into the Gardners' political connections.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Scoop
()
Date: April 22, 2016 11:21PM
He was just transferred, somewhere. Very strange. VA Vinelink notification service notified families he is no longer in Alexandria but says repeat registration of notification service required, and that IF new facility uses this service, updates will be provided.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: April 23, 2016 06:18AM
Per VADOC, he's moved to Augusta. Close custody.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
KdvTv
()
Date: April 23, 2016 08:25AM
"I hardly need to go into the Gardners' political connections"
Oh, but you will.....
Oh, but you will.....
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: April 29, 2016 02:28PM
OK, here's a headscratcher. Mike's original release date was 9/9/2031. His current release date is 9/9/2031. I asked about this a while back. Anyone have any answers?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: COL Mustard ()
Date: May 05, 2015 07:38PM
Okay, does anyone know why Mike has a release date? VADOC shows that his scheduled release is 9/9/2031. Did he plead to something?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by: COL Mustard ()
Date: May 05, 2015 07:38PM
Okay, does anyone know why Mike has a release date? VADOC shows that his scheduled release is 9/9/2031. Did he plead to something?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Green Rock Correctional Center
()
Date: May 12, 2016 03:23PM
Virginia Department of Corrections has the same release date listed. According to the Virginia website, he is incarcerated now at Green Rock Correctional Center in Chatham, Virginia.
https://vadoc.virginia.gov/facilities/western/greenrock/
Located in Chatham, Virginia.
Bernard W. Booker, Warden
475 Green Rock Lane
Chatham, Virginia 24531
(434) 797-2000
Directions on Google Maps
Security Level 2-3 - Assignment Criteria:
Single, multiple, & Life + sentences must have served 20 consecutive years on sentence. If parole eligible, must have reached PED. No disruptive behavior for at least past 24 months prior to consideration for a transfer to any less-secure facility. Numerical sentences must have less than 40 years to release or have served 20 consecutive years.
Specifications:
Opened - 2007
Average Daily Population (June 2008) - 987
https://vadoc.virginia.gov/facilities/western/greenrock/
Located in Chatham, Virginia.
Bernard W. Booker, Warden
475 Green Rock Lane
Chatham, Virginia 24531
(434) 797-2000
Directions on Google Maps
Security Level 2-3 - Assignment Criteria:
Single, multiple, & Life + sentences must have served 20 consecutive years on sentence. If parole eligible, must have reached PED. No disruptive behavior for at least past 24 months prior to consideration for a transfer to any less-secure facility. Numerical sentences must have less than 40 years to release or have served 20 consecutive years.
Specifications:
Opened - 2007
Average Daily Population (June 2008) - 987
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Senor Senior
()
Date: May 26, 2016 07:30AM
He may be out as early as 2029. His 20-year sentence minus time served, after serving 85% of his current sentence.
Peggy Fox did a nice piece on the matter yesterday.
www.wusa.com/news/local/child-sex-abuse-victims-helping-others/215072942
Peggy Fox did a nice piece on the matter yesterday.
www.wusa.com/news/local/child-sex-abuse-victims-helping-others/215072942
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: May 30, 2016 04:47PM
Now this is interesting. Several of us did the Falls Church Memorial Day fun run this morning, and on the right sleeve is We Support The Girls! Wonder what Robin thinks about that!?!?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
good 4 them
()
Date: May 30, 2016 05:25PM
COL Mustard Wrote:
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> Now this is interesting. Several of us did the
> Falls Church Memorial Day fun run this morning,
> and on the right sleeve is We Support The Girls!
> Wonder what Robin thinks about that!?!?
They also marched in the parade.
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> Now this is interesting. Several of us did the
> Falls Church Memorial Day fun run this morning,
> and on the right sleeve is We Support The Girls!
> Wonder what Robin thinks about that!?!?
They also marched in the parade.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Rebecca Nurse
()
Date: May 30, 2016 09:18PM
COL Mustard Wrote:
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> Now this is interesting. Several of us did the
> Falls Church Memorial Day fun run this morning,
> and on the right sleeve is We Support The Girls!
> Wonder what Robin thinks about that!?!?
Good for you! Shame the whore!
I wish others had the courage to have a slogan on their running shirt...
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> Now this is interesting. Several of us did the
> Falls Church Memorial Day fun run this morning,
> and on the right sleeve is We Support The Girls!
> Wonder what Robin thinks about that!?!?
Good for you! Shame the whore!
I wish others had the courage to have a slogan on their running shirt...
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hey wingnut
()
Date: October 06, 2016 02:52PM
I hope you are up there somewhere watching.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
hey wingnut
()
Date: October 06, 2016 02:53PM
Longtime LGBT rights advocate Nicholas Benton, owner and editor of the Falls Church News-Press, issued an emergency appeal this week for financial support for the community newspaper.
“I’d intended to write individual letters to each of you about this, but the emergency facing the FCNP is imminent and will impact our ability to produce an edition this week unless we get help,” Benton said in an email message.
“[W]e’ve been squeezed to the max, hit repeatedly by the great recession, the (incorrect) rap on print newspapers, the unscrupulous Wells Fargo calling in our line of credit for no reason, and political pressures brought against some of our key advertisers,” Benton said in his email message.
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/10/05/falls-church-news-press-seeks-emergency-support/
“I’d intended to write individual letters to each of you about this, but the emergency facing the FCNP is imminent and will impact our ability to produce an edition this week unless we get help,” Benton said in an email message.
“[W]e’ve been squeezed to the max, hit repeatedly by the great recession, the (incorrect) rap on print newspapers, the unscrupulous Wells Fargo calling in our line of credit for no reason, and political pressures brought against some of our key advertisers,” Benton said in his email message.
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/10/05/falls-church-news-press-seeks-emergency-support/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
johnny ringo
()
Date: October 06, 2016 04:58PM
This was a good thread. Thank you for resurrecting it.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Houdini
()
Date: October 07, 2016 12:18AM
I hope you are up there somewhere watching.
Anyone know what happened to him? dude pulled a Houdini
Anyone know what happened to him? dude pulled a Houdini
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Nicky Benton of the FCNP
()
Date: October 27, 2016 11:42AM
It has been a year since the News-Press in this space proposed a healing of the acute pain for many that a terribly unfortunate episode in Falls Church’s history caused. On the eve of a hotly-contested F.C. City Council election, we wrote in our editorial in the Oct. 25, 2015 edition of the News-Press urging that “redemption, reconciliation and healing” prevail.
Concerning the guilty plea and conviction on child sexual abuse charges of Michael Gardner, local Democratic Party activist and husband of former Mayor Robin Gardner now serving a lengthy sentence, we wrote, “There is no doubt that the crimes for which Gardner recently took a guilty plea were heinous and monstrous,” noting, “Prominent local citizens, including our editor, who were willing to comply with a request (for letters to the court—ed.) not to question the verdict, but to provide an expression of Christian charity, to seek a redemptive rather than a vindictive outcome overall,” did so with “absolutely no ill intent toward the victims and their families.”
We wrote, “Clearly the letters deeply hurt the families of the victims,” which led to expressions of “deep and heartfelt remorse in the past week, our editor sharing that remorse,” even as “angry parents of one of the girls who were victims in the case…stirred strong (and legitimate) emotions in defense of their daughter.”
Voters in the subsequent election followed the lead of the News-Press which editorialized that, “In this intelligent and largely-reasonable community cooler heads might prevail,” and elected the three News-Press-endorsed City Council candidates.
Now, around the community, red “We Support the Girls” yard signs are still displayed, a painful reminder of that episode, evidence that more healing in this community is needed, especially in the context of a few who may continue to use the unhappy episode in pursuit of political advantage.
In our case, when Gardner was first arrested, our editor wrote, “There are no winners in a terrible situation like this…My sincere prayers are for the comfort and healing of his family, his victims, the entire Falls Church community, and also for him…But without a doubt, if indeed a horrible crime, or crimes, have been committed, then justice must be served.”
Our editor was resolute that coverage of the trial be in the spirit of journalistic integrity, the independent pursuit of facts and fairness that some erroneously interpreted as bias. He hired an outside freelance writer to cover the trial to better ensure this.
In his letter to the court upon Gardner’s eventual guilty plea, our editor did not question the court’s decision, nor the length of the sentence, but only recounted how Gardner had “represented himself” as a citizen in the community. Actually, in their 25 years, as most know, he and the News-Press have been unrelenting champions for the youth and the schools of Falls Church.
We all support the girls. May the healing continue.
Concerning the guilty plea and conviction on child sexual abuse charges of Michael Gardner, local Democratic Party activist and husband of former Mayor Robin Gardner now serving a lengthy sentence, we wrote, “There is no doubt that the crimes for which Gardner recently took a guilty plea were heinous and monstrous,” noting, “Prominent local citizens, including our editor, who were willing to comply with a request (for letters to the court—ed.) not to question the verdict, but to provide an expression of Christian charity, to seek a redemptive rather than a vindictive outcome overall,” did so with “absolutely no ill intent toward the victims and their families.”
We wrote, “Clearly the letters deeply hurt the families of the victims,” which led to expressions of “deep and heartfelt remorse in the past week, our editor sharing that remorse,” even as “angry parents of one of the girls who were victims in the case…stirred strong (and legitimate) emotions in defense of their daughter.”
Voters in the subsequent election followed the lead of the News-Press which editorialized that, “In this intelligent and largely-reasonable community cooler heads might prevail,” and elected the three News-Press-endorsed City Council candidates.
Now, around the community, red “We Support the Girls” yard signs are still displayed, a painful reminder of that episode, evidence that more healing in this community is needed, especially in the context of a few who may continue to use the unhappy episode in pursuit of political advantage.
In our case, when Gardner was first arrested, our editor wrote, “There are no winners in a terrible situation like this…My sincere prayers are for the comfort and healing of his family, his victims, the entire Falls Church community, and also for him…But without a doubt, if indeed a horrible crime, or crimes, have been committed, then justice must be served.”
Our editor was resolute that coverage of the trial be in the spirit of journalistic integrity, the independent pursuit of facts and fairness that some erroneously interpreted as bias. He hired an outside freelance writer to cover the trial to better ensure this.
In his letter to the court upon Gardner’s eventual guilty plea, our editor did not question the court’s decision, nor the length of the sentence, but only recounted how Gardner had “represented himself” as a citizen in the community. Actually, in their 25 years, as most know, he and the News-Press have been unrelenting champions for the youth and the schools of Falls Church.
We all support the girls. May the healing continue.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Death Penalty
()
Date: October 27, 2016 03:17PM
I support the death penalty for all pedo fags.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: October 27, 2016 06:23PM
I saw Nick's "editorial" for what it is...a self-serving piece of writing that's at his usual standards. I said earlier that the FCNP is only fit as a birdcage liner, but I don't think any self-respecting bird would crap on this paper.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: October 27, 2016 07:01PM
I really don't understand why Nick would choose to resurrect this issue. All it did a year ago was to expose him and a bunch of other people who supported Mike and Robin against the rest of the community, and for him to claim vindication because of the election last year is just ludicrous.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Luke
()
Date: October 28, 2016 06:16PM
I've tried to add the below to the comment section of the FCNP but so far they have not approved it to post:
Nick has made no effort to check in with or report anything about We Support the Girls, or follow up with City Leadership, who are content to remain silent. The leading developer in the city, who wrote the worst letter of all, has their full attention and support.
http://www.wesupportthegirls.org
Nick has made no effort to check in with or report anything about We Support the Girls, or follow up with City Leadership, who are content to remain silent. The leading developer in the city, who wrote the worst letter of all, has their full attention and support.
http://www.wesupportthegirls.org
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Luke
()
Date: October 28, 2016 06:51PM
Am not confident Benton is going to let this post:
Nick has made no effort to check in with or report anything about We Support the Girls, or follow up with City Leadership, who are content to remain silent and inactive, except to "manage" the families on occasion. The leading developer in the city, who wrote the worst letter of all, has their full attention and support.
Nick has made no effort to check in with or report anything about We Support the Girls, or follow up with City Leadership, who are content to remain silent and inactive, except to "manage" the families on occasion. The leading developer in the city, who wrote the worst letter of all, has their full attention and support.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Citizen XOX
()
Date: October 29, 2016 08:12PM
I managed to post a comment to this site. I'll be suprised uf Nicky lets it stay.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
NBisafuckingbitch
()
Date: October 29, 2016 11:09PM
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
What a Rag
()
Date: October 31, 2016 09:30AM
I wouldn't wipe my a$$ with the Falls Church News Press.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Lookin Out
()
Date: November 23, 2016 02:56PM
Looks hardeded!
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
COL Mustard
()
Date: November 24, 2016 04:20PM
Also new release date is 12/12/2029...down from 09/2031. Good behavior, or hard time?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
GT3MY
()
Date: May 02, 2017 10:05AM
Is he out yet?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Does this change anything?
()
Date: September 15, 2018 11:53AM
So if the guy who made the arrest is also a pedophile, is that grounds for appeal?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Former Gulch Resident
()
Date: September 15, 2018 01:25PM
Does this change anything? Wrote:
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> So if the guy who made the arrest is also a
> pedophile, is that grounds for appeal?
I hope not. Good lord.
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> So if the guy who made the arrest is also a
> pedophile, is that grounds for appeal?
I hope not. Good lord.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Doug Tracht
()
Date: September 16, 2018 02:28AM
This alleged sex offender is a glum cunt.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Nino Greasemanelli
()
Date: September 16, 2018 11:27AM
Doug Tracht Wrote:
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> This alleged sex offender is a glum cunt.
You're just mad you're not a deputy anymore, you would have been in on the action.
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> This alleged sex offender is a glum cunt.
You're just mad you're not a deputy anymore, you would have been in on the action.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
You Can't Go Home Again
()
Date: April 10, 2019 01:41AM
Looks like convicted child molester Michael Gardner won't be returning to the scene of the crime upon his 2029 release from prison. His wife, the former City of Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner is putting the house up for sale.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Trombone Player
()
Date: April 10, 2019 08:20AM
Meanwhile, back in prison. How is the skin flute band doing?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
1305 Ellison Street Falls Church
()
Date: April 10, 2019 09:25AM
I would get a black light DNA technician check that place out before I'd buy it. 1305 Ellison St Falls Church is an Amityville horror house.
Buy the lot for a tear down. $330,000 FIRM.
Buy the lot for a tear down. $330,000 FIRM.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
grossed out for the 20th time
()
Date: June 03, 2019 01:21AM
Congratulations to Robin Gardner, a truly despicable and irredeemable creature. The lovely tribute for her beloved twins in this year's George Mason yearbook is an over-the-top intimidation tactic directed at the two young women who helped put her husband in jail until 2029. She includes a photo of her convicted sex offender husband, as well as a disturbing message from "Dad." This is a vindictive and intentional infliction of pain on child victims of sexual assault, who stood up for justice and saved other innocent children from the sexual predator in this family photo. Granted, it is a super-cute selfie taken at one of the many correctional facilities that this pedophile has called home, but there are actually several other nice mugshot photos that also could have been used
Ultimately, it was FCCPS that published a photo of a convicted sex offender in their annual high school yearbook. Most schools wouldn't allow pedophiles in any of their high school memorabilia, so at some point, FCCPS might need to deal with a few optics issues. I doubt that members of the Falls Church Community would support sex offenders being included in any of their school materials … at least I would hope not.
But, to be fair, Robin Gardner is the kind of woman who lies under oath, stands by her pedophile husband, and allows her kids to bully and harass the child victims who attend school with them. Dispicable parents turn out despicable kids. Congratulations, Robin. You did it!
Attachments:
Ultimately, it was FCCPS that published a photo of a convicted sex offender in their annual high school yearbook. Most schools wouldn't allow pedophiles in any of their high school memorabilia, so at some point, FCCPS might need to deal with a few optics issues. I doubt that members of the Falls Church Community would support sex offenders being included in any of their school materials … at least I would hope not.
But, to be fair, Robin Gardner is the kind of woman who lies under oath, stands by her pedophile husband, and allows her kids to bully and harass the child victims who attend school with them. Dispicable parents turn out despicable kids. Congratulations, Robin. You did it!
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Where's the pics?
()
Date: June 03, 2019 02:55AM
?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Almost 8 years
()
Date: June 03, 2019 09:48AM
It's sad this case is still in the news and that Robin Gardner has not let go of her delusion that her husband was innocent or "set up".
This is truly a rare type of arrogance that infects the political class and those in minor authority positions like PTA and HOA. Nothing me or my family can do is wrong and I will destroy at every chance anyone who questions me.
Sorry that Mr. Robin Gardner only has ten more years to serve.
This is truly a rare type of arrogance that infects the political class and those in minor authority positions like PTA and HOA. Nothing me or my family can do is wrong and I will destroy at every chance anyone who questions me.
Sorry that Mr. Robin Gardner only has ten more years to serve.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Former Falls Gulch Resident
()
Date: June 03, 2019 10:21AM
grossed out for the 20th time Wrote:
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> Congratulations to Robin Gardner, a truly
> despicable and irredeemable creature. The lovely
> tribute for her beloved twins in this year's
> George Mason yearbook is an over-the-top
> intimidation tactic directed at the two young
> women who helped put her husband in jail until
> 2029. She includes a photo of her convicted sex
> offender husband, as well as a disturbing message
> from "Dad." This is a vindictive and intentional
> infliction of pain on child victims of sexual
> assault, who stood up for justice and saved other
> innocent children from the sexual predator in this
> family photo. Granted, it is a super-cute selfie
> taken at one of the many correctional facilities
> that this pedophile has called home, but there are
> actually several other nice mugshot photos that
> also could have been used
>
> Ultimately, it was FCCPS that published a photo
> of a convicted sex offender in their annual high
> school yearbook. Most schools wouldn't allow
> pedophiles in any of their high school
> memorabilia, so at some point, FCCPS might need to
> deal with a few optics issues. I doubt that
> members of the Falls Church Community would
> support sex offenders being included in any of
> their school materials … at least I would hope
> not.
>
> But, to be fair, Robin Gardner is the kind of
> woman who lies under oath, stands by her pedophile
> husband, and allows her kids to bully and harass
> the child victims who attend school with them.
> Dispicable parents turn out despicable kids.
> Congratulations, Robin. You did it!
So Gardner got his picture and a message in the George Mason High School yearbook? How the hell did this happen? It is wrong on so many levels.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Congratulations to Robin Gardner, a truly
> despicable and irredeemable creature. The lovely
> tribute for her beloved twins in this year's
> George Mason yearbook is an over-the-top
> intimidation tactic directed at the two young
> women who helped put her husband in jail until
> 2029. She includes a photo of her convicted sex
> offender husband, as well as a disturbing message
> from "Dad." This is a vindictive and intentional
> infliction of pain on child victims of sexual
> assault, who stood up for justice and saved other
> innocent children from the sexual predator in this
> family photo. Granted, it is a super-cute selfie
> taken at one of the many correctional facilities
> that this pedophile has called home, but there are
> actually several other nice mugshot photos that
> also could have been used
>
> Ultimately, it was FCCPS that published a photo
> of a convicted sex offender in their annual high
> school yearbook. Most schools wouldn't allow
> pedophiles in any of their high school
> memorabilia, so at some point, FCCPS might need to
> deal with a few optics issues. I doubt that
> members of the Falls Church Community would
> support sex offenders being included in any of
> their school materials … at least I would hope
> not.
>
> But, to be fair, Robin Gardner is the kind of
> woman who lies under oath, stands by her pedophile
> husband, and allows her kids to bully and harass
> the child victims who attend school with them.
> Dispicable parents turn out despicable kids.
> Congratulations, Robin. You did it!
So Gardner got his picture and a message in the George Mason High School yearbook? How the hell did this happen? It is wrong on so many levels.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
constant vigilance
()
Date: June 03, 2019 05:25PM
This is always interesting to see:
https://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
A particularly disgusting dig at the victims by Gardner's attorneys in 2015:
https://www.sfhdefense.com/commonwealth-v-michael-armin-gardner-resolved/
https://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=37129
A particularly disgusting dig at the victims by Gardner's attorneys in 2015:
https://www.sfhdefense.com/commonwealth-v-michael-armin-gardner-resolved/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Nice job there
()
Date: June 03, 2019 10:08PM
grossed out for the 20th time Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Congratulations to Robin Gardner, a truly
> despicable and irredeemable creature. The lovely
> tribute for her beloved twins in this year's
> George Mason yearbook is an over-the-top
> intimidation tactic directed at the two young
> women who helped put her husband in jail until
> 2029. She includes a photo of her convicted sex
> offender husband, as well as a disturbing message
> from "Dad." This is a vindictive and intentional
> infliction of pain on child victims of sexual
> assault, who stood up for justice and saved other
> innocent children from the sexual predator in this
> family photo. Granted, it is a super-cute selfie
> taken at one of the many correctional facilities
> that this pedophile has called home, but there are
> actually several other nice mugshot photos that
> also could have been used
>
> Ultimately, it was FCCPS that published a photo
> of a convicted sex offender in their annual high
> school yearbook. Most schools wouldn't allow
> pedophiles in any of their high school
> memorabilia, so at some point, FCCPS might need to
> deal with a few optics issues. I doubt that
> members of the Falls Church Community would
> support sex offenders being included in any of
> their school materials … at least I would hope
> not.
>
> But, to be fair, Robin Gardner is the kind of
> woman who lies under oath, stands by her pedophile
> husband, and allows her kids to bully and harass
> the child victims who attend school with them.
> Dispicable parents turn out despicable kids.
> Congratulations, Robin. You did it!
Did you fail at picture uploading class?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Congratulations to Robin Gardner, a truly
> despicable and irredeemable creature. The lovely
> tribute for her beloved twins in this year's
> George Mason yearbook is an over-the-top
> intimidation tactic directed at the two young
> women who helped put her husband in jail until
> 2029. She includes a photo of her convicted sex
> offender husband, as well as a disturbing message
> from "Dad." This is a vindictive and intentional
> infliction of pain on child victims of sexual
> assault, who stood up for justice and saved other
> innocent children from the sexual predator in this
> family photo. Granted, it is a super-cute selfie
> taken at one of the many correctional facilities
> that this pedophile has called home, but there are
> actually several other nice mugshot photos that
> also could have been used
>
> Ultimately, it was FCCPS that published a photo
> of a convicted sex offender in their annual high
> school yearbook. Most schools wouldn't allow
> pedophiles in any of their high school
> memorabilia, so at some point, FCCPS might need to
> deal with a few optics issues. I doubt that
> members of the Falls Church Community would
> support sex offenders being included in any of
> their school materials … at least I would hope
> not.
>
> But, to be fair, Robin Gardner is the kind of
> woman who lies under oath, stands by her pedophile
> husband, and allows her kids to bully and harass
> the child victims who attend school with them.
> Dispicable parents turn out despicable kids.
> Congratulations, Robin. You did it!
Did you fail at picture uploading class?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
grossed out for the 20th time
()
Date: June 03, 2019 10:59PM
Enjoy the sensual tour de force.
See the wholesome faces in front of the 1305 Ellison Street house of horrors. Instances of molestation happened in so many rooms in that house - and those are just the ones that daddy actually pled guilty to.
Feel the warm family love with mommy and daddy. You've got to love a man in uniform … no, wait, not this one. And who knows how much "love" daddy gets when he's on his own.
Hear daddy's bizarre message to his children: "immolate false things without regret." Sounds like continued whining about his failed murder-for-hire daydreams, with a bit of a threat towards the girls thrown in for spice.
Taste the defeat. Their narcissistic mass family delusion succeeded in rallying only the sheep into believing their lies. Two strong and defiant girls faced up to them every day for 8 years, and will forever stand taller and more firmly on the side of right than anyone in this family will ever be.
And finally, smell the bullshit that wafts around each and every one of them. Daddy's will be a bit more contained until December 12, 2029, or so. And,
hopefully, the stench in FC will blow away as they leave -- the sooner, the better.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
grossed out for the 20th time
()
Date: June 03, 2019 11:06PM
Hey, Nice Job There. Unfortunately, I never took picture uploading class, so I suck at it. But thanks for asking! lol
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
It's 2019
()
Date: June 04, 2019 08:17AM
DO kids even buy yearbooks anymore? Sounds outdated.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
FC mom
()
Date: June 04, 2019 11:52PM
Yes, but kids need something to sign at the end of the year. It's only $100.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
No cure for pedos
()
Date: June 05, 2019 09:13AM
Alabama just came up with chemical castration but I think capital punishment is always the best solution.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Churcher
()
Date: June 06, 2019 01:09AM
I vote for capital punishment. Pedophiles don’t get cured. They just adjust so that they don’t get caught again, and they avoid registering to try to stay off of the community radar. And you just know they don’t get punished for all of their past victims, since most of them don’t come forward. In this case, the victims were ostracized while the convicted sex offender’s family was embraced. Even with her appointment at her church, his esteemed wife was still his enabler. I say hang him high. And then go after his enabler.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Trumptards fuck off
()
Date: June 06, 2019 11:50AM
It's almost 10 years since this begin and you are STILL talking about it??? Mr.Gardner was found guilty. His wife and family suffered irreparable financial a d emotional damage and they will never be the same. Mr.Gardner is serving his sentence as mandated like a man. Why still talk about this? Why not move forward?
Oh I know why. It's because Mike and Robin Gardner are DEMOCRATS, that's why. You mouth breather Neanderthals never said anything about REPUBLICAN Speaker of the House Denny Hastert molesting kids or President Grab em by the Pussy. They've done far worse things. I'm not saying Mr. Gardner didn't deserve to be punished but he is doing far more time than any others like him and he is doing it like a man.
Why don't you man up and leave his family alone.
Oh I know why. It's because Mike and Robin Gardner are DEMOCRATS, that's why. You mouth breather Neanderthals never said anything about REPUBLICAN Speaker of the House Denny Hastert molesting kids or President Grab em by the Pussy. They've done far worse things. I'm not saying Mr. Gardner didn't deserve to be punished but he is doing far more time than any others like him and he is doing it like a man.
Why don't you man up and leave his family alone.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ezekial 25:17
()
Date: June 07, 2019 12:58AM
Pretty talk, asshole. Actually, it's been almost 8 years, half of these kids' lives, and you don't mind talking about it, so why should other people? It doesn't mean no one's moving forward. If anything, it might raise awareness so that kids are safer, but it sounds like you don't care about that. A convicted sex offender's family doesn't suffer any more "damage" than his victims. All of these victims' families, who amount to a lot more individuals than the family you're so protective of, also suffered irreparable harm and will never be the same. I'd wager that many of the posters to this site are Democrats, so that comment is ridiculous in a stupid kind of way. What the hell does some molester's political affiliation have to do anything? And Denny Hastert didn't assault little girls in the upstanding ex-mayor's dark basement in the middle of the night right here in The Little City (at least I don't think so). I'm sure that MG is taking it like a man, maybe early and often. His family appears to be doing just fine, as you can see from the family prison selfie in the yearbook. If you're so upset by what you're reading, maybe you shouldn't surf this thread.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Trumptards fuck off
()
Date: June 07, 2019 11:36AM
Ezekial 25:17 Wrote:
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> Pretty talk, asshole. Actually, it's been almost
> 8 years, half of these kids' lives, and you don't
> mind talking about it, so why should other people?
> It doesn't mean no one's moving forward. If
> anything, it might raise awareness so that kids
> are safer, but it sounds like you don't care about
> that. A convicted sex offender's family doesn't
> suffer any more "damage" than his victims. All of
> these victims' families, who amount to a lot more
> individuals than the family you're so protective
> of, also suffered irreparable harm and will never
> be the same. I'd wager that many of the posters
> to this site are Democrats, so that comment is
> ridiculous in a stupid kind of way. What the hell
> does some molester's political affiliation have to
> do anything? And Denny Hastert didn't assault
> little girls in the upstanding ex-mayor's dark
> basement in the middle of the night right here in
> The Little City (at least I don't think so). I'm
> sure that MG is taking it like a man, maybe early
> and often. His family appears to be doing just
> fine, as you can see from the family prison selfie
> in the yearbook. If you're so upset by what
> you're reading, maybe you shouldn't surf this
> thread.
Not surprised you don't get it and how stupid you sound, but I guess that's the whole point.
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> Pretty talk, asshole. Actually, it's been almost
> 8 years, half of these kids' lives, and you don't
> mind talking about it, so why should other people?
> It doesn't mean no one's moving forward. If
> anything, it might raise awareness so that kids
> are safer, but it sounds like you don't care about
> that. A convicted sex offender's family doesn't
> suffer any more "damage" than his victims. All of
> these victims' families, who amount to a lot more
> individuals than the family you're so protective
> of, also suffered irreparable harm and will never
> be the same. I'd wager that many of the posters
> to this site are Democrats, so that comment is
> ridiculous in a stupid kind of way. What the hell
> does some molester's political affiliation have to
> do anything? And Denny Hastert didn't assault
> little girls in the upstanding ex-mayor's dark
> basement in the middle of the night right here in
> The Little City (at least I don't think so). I'm
> sure that MG is taking it like a man, maybe early
> and often. His family appears to be doing just
> fine, as you can see from the family prison selfie
> in the yearbook. If you're so upset by what
> you're reading, maybe you shouldn't surf this
> thread.
Not surprised you don't get it and how stupid you sound, but I guess that's the whole point.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Ezekiel 25:17
()
Date: June 07, 2019 10:36PM
Ooh, you sure burned me there. You were probably “manning up” all night to deliver that lame crusher. If you weren’t such an idiot, I’d insult you. As it is, you’ll see something in the news soon that might breathe new life into those well-worn sympathies if yours. How does it go? Oh, yeah, you mouth-breathing Neanderthal. Sleep sweet, princess.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
We are not the only ones talking
()
Date: June 13, 2019 02:00AM
from https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/virginia/convicted-sex-offenders-picture-and-message-appear-in-victims-high-school-yearbook/65-d9a3eb15-1b77-47f5-969d-c8fdd86164d6
Convicted sex offender's picture and message appear in victims' high school yearbook
Survivors of convicted felon say his message is meant to intimidate them.
Author: Peggy Fox
Published: 7:45 PM EDT June 11, 2019
Updated: 11:50 AM EDT June 12, 2019
FALLS CHURCH, Va. — Sandre Rice, 18, has much to celebrate. She just graduated from George Mason High School in Falls Church. And she has overcome the trauma of child sex assault that occurred eight years ago in June of 2011.
Rice is one of four young woman who testified in two trials which put the perpetrator behind bars in 2015. But that man, Michael Gardner, 54, who is serving a 20 year sentence for sexually assaulting four girls, was able to get his picture and a message in the George Mason High School year book.
"I saw the picture and then I saw what he wrote," said Rice.
The message is from Gardner is to his twins, who also graduated from the high school. It reads, "Loves, immolate false things without regret to give what remains. Love Dad."
"He chose the immolate...That word means to sacrifice things with fire. By burning them with fire. He chose that word to be intimidating...That is a threat that he made in the yearbook," said Rice. Undaunted, and not intimidated, Rice said she decided to speak out to make sure people know what the man she refers to as inmate number 1459671 did -- then and now.
"He just wants attention. He's very narcissistic and anything he can do to get the attention back on him. Years after the fact," she said.
Sandre's parents, Dan and Kristina Rice are angry about the message in the yearbook. "It was clear to me he was trying to incite his children to violence on his behalf. Immolate without regret," said Kristina.
Gardner's wife Robin Gardner bought the placement in the yearbook, says Falls Church City Schools Superintendent Peter Noonan. Staff didn't catch it.
"I think it's really hard when we're looking at that many pictures and images to to catch everything. That's why we count on our community to help us do the right thing by not putting something in that could potentially be harmful to our students," said Noonan.
Robin Gardner has always stood by her husband. WUSA9 tried to contact her at her home to find out why she put her husband's message in the yearbook, but was unsuccessful.
Rice was one of three girls assaulted eight years ago by Gardner. They were friends with his daughter and it happened in the Gardner's house at sleepovers.
Because two of the girls told right away, the Falls Church Police Department was able to secure irrefutable touch -- DNA from Gardner, which led to his conviction.
When that conviction was thrown out on a technicality, Robin Gardner's own niece came forward accusing her uncle of molesting her as a child. He pleaded guilty in a plea agreement sending him to prison for 20 years.
"That somebody would continue to support a pedophile when your own flesh and blood, somebody that was a victim, your own niece, yet you can still help him put a disgusting messages in a yearbook?" said Dan Rice.
Sandre Rice said she's going to keep the page in her yearbook because it contains pictures of other classmates. She said she's moving on with her life, and staying strong.
"It was very difficult going through it, a lot of I've reached a point where there's a level of acceptance. I can't go back and change what happened me. But he's in prison. Will be there for a while," she said with confidence.
She takes comfort in the fact that when prisoner 1459671 does get out, he will forever be on the sex offender registry.
The Rices informed the Falls Church Police Department about the yearbook picture and message. Police Chief Mary Gavin said they've taken note, are keeping it on record, and are 100 percent behind the girls.
The Rices hope the Gardners' action will lead to him remaining in prison longer than his sentence. The Sexually Violent Predators Act allows the Virginia Attorney General's Office "to petition a circuit court for the civil commitment of certain sexual offenders who have a mental abnormality or personality disorder and because of that mental health condition are likely to commit future sexually violent offenses."
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Convicted sex offender's picture and message appear in victims' high school yearbook
Survivors of convicted felon say his message is meant to intimidate them.
Author: Peggy Fox
Published: 7:45 PM EDT June 11, 2019
Updated: 11:50 AM EDT June 12, 2019
FALLS CHURCH, Va. — Sandre Rice, 18, has much to celebrate. She just graduated from George Mason High School in Falls Church. And she has overcome the trauma of child sex assault that occurred eight years ago in June of 2011.
Rice is one of four young woman who testified in two trials which put the perpetrator behind bars in 2015. But that man, Michael Gardner, 54, who is serving a 20 year sentence for sexually assaulting four girls, was able to get his picture and a message in the George Mason High School year book.
"I saw the picture and then I saw what he wrote," said Rice.
The message is from Gardner is to his twins, who also graduated from the high school. It reads, "Loves, immolate false things without regret to give what remains. Love Dad."
"He chose the immolate...That word means to sacrifice things with fire. By burning them with fire. He chose that word to be intimidating...That is a threat that he made in the yearbook," said Rice. Undaunted, and not intimidated, Rice said she decided to speak out to make sure people know what the man she refers to as inmate number 1459671 did -- then and now.
"He just wants attention. He's very narcissistic and anything he can do to get the attention back on him. Years after the fact," she said.
Sandre's parents, Dan and Kristina Rice are angry about the message in the yearbook. "It was clear to me he was trying to incite his children to violence on his behalf. Immolate without regret," said Kristina.
Gardner's wife Robin Gardner bought the placement in the yearbook, says Falls Church City Schools Superintendent Peter Noonan. Staff didn't catch it.
"I think it's really hard when we're looking at that many pictures and images to to catch everything. That's why we count on our community to help us do the right thing by not putting something in that could potentially be harmful to our students," said Noonan.
Robin Gardner has always stood by her husband. WUSA9 tried to contact her at her home to find out why she put her husband's message in the yearbook, but was unsuccessful.
Rice was one of three girls assaulted eight years ago by Gardner. They were friends with his daughter and it happened in the Gardner's house at sleepovers.
Because two of the girls told right away, the Falls Church Police Department was able to secure irrefutable touch -- DNA from Gardner, which led to his conviction.
When that conviction was thrown out on a technicality, Robin Gardner's own niece came forward accusing her uncle of molesting her as a child. He pleaded guilty in a plea agreement sending him to prison for 20 years.
"That somebody would continue to support a pedophile when your own flesh and blood, somebody that was a victim, your own niece, yet you can still help him put a disgusting messages in a yearbook?" said Dan Rice.
Sandre Rice said she's going to keep the page in her yearbook because it contains pictures of other classmates. She said she's moving on with her life, and staying strong.
"It was very difficult going through it, a lot of I've reached a point where there's a level of acceptance. I can't go back and change what happened me. But he's in prison. Will be there for a while," she said with confidence.
She takes comfort in the fact that when prisoner 1459671 does get out, he will forever be on the sex offender registry.
The Rices informed the Falls Church Police Department about the yearbook picture and message. Police Chief Mary Gavin said they've taken note, are keeping it on record, and are 100 percent behind the girls.
The Rices hope the Gardners' action will lead to him remaining in prison longer than his sentence. The Sexually Violent Predators Act allows the Virginia Attorney General's Office "to petition a circuit court for the civil commitment of certain sexual offenders who have a mental abnormality or personality disorder and because of that mental health condition are likely to commit future sexually violent offenses."
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Shrinkerer
()
Date: June 13, 2019 04:06AM
"That somebody would continue to support a pedophile when your own flesh and blood, somebody that was a victim, your own niece, yet you can still help him put a disgusting messages in a yearbook?"
Classic gaslighting. That's almost as bad as a perp taking a protective order out against his victim in a neighboring county from where he was investigated but not prosecuted. When predators turn siblings and parents against victims it's absolutely soul crushing. I don't think it's possible to ever heal from that without serious closure
Classic gaslighting. That's almost as bad as a perp taking a protective order out against his victim in a neighboring county from where he was investigated but not prosecuted. When predators turn siblings and parents against victims it's absolutely soul crushing. I don't think it's possible to ever heal from that without serious closure
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church Pedo Fags
()
Date: June 13, 2019 01:23PM
The Old Man in FC Wrote:
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> Strange as it may seem, the same thing happened in
> Falls Church City a decade ago. A group of
> citizens, led by a councilman, rallied a round the
> pedophile and urged the court to reduce the man's
> sentence:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1263188/p
> osts
How about that pedo fag that ran the Community Center that was caught sodomizing a minor. What happened to that guy? And is he getting his pension from the City?
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> Strange as it may seem, the same thing happened in
> Falls Church City a decade ago. A group of
> citizens, led by a councilman, rallied a round the
> pedophile and urged the court to reduce the man's
> sentence:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1263188/p
> osts
How about that pedo fag that ran the Community Center that was caught sodomizing a minor. What happened to that guy? And is he getting his pension from the City?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
He'll never be free again
()
Date: June 13, 2019 04:24PM
A judge will civilly commit the kid toucher to that Virginia Behavioral Rehabilitation place. He can apologize and cry all he wants but as long as the doctors say he's a kid toucher, he's a kid toucher and not getting out.
He has ten years of prison before this even happens, honestly he may get shivved by someone who doesn't take kindly to his type.
And the victims families should sue him and his wife for every cent they have.
He has ten years of prison before this even happens, honestly he may get shivved by someone who doesn't take kindly to his type.
And the victims families should sue him and his wife for every cent they have.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bob Malm
()
Date: June 14, 2019 07:09PM
May God bless all involved
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
The cancer is back
()
Date: June 17, 2019 05:35PM
Oh no.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
22046
()
Date: June 24, 2019 06:00PM
Support the girls...who are now women.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
deleted ()
()
Date: June 24, 2019 07:45PM
seller Wrote:
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>
> Well, I certainly know which real estate agent I
> will NOT be using during my next transaction.
HAHAHAHA!!!!
Long & Forced-her?
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>
> Well, I certainly know which real estate agent I
> will NOT be using during my next transaction.
HAHAHAHA!!!!
Long & Forced-her?
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Trumptards is wring
()
Date: June 26, 2019 10:47PM
Trumptards is really wrong. It isn't a political issue, but a basic decency matter.
Gardner and his wife are way off base here. Their kids have been through enough. If inclined to do a yearbook thing, it should be about the twins, and their high school experiences rather than about channeling angry threats from their convict father. Narcissism isn't a strong enough label here, and the mother is out of her mind to permit this to happen. In rebuttal to Trumptards`point, if you want people to move past this how about the Gardners not making angry and threatening comments in a yearbook, especially directed at young women? And forget about the school letting this slip. They were likely afraid of Ms.Gardner.
I feel bad for all of the kids - the female victims and the twins. They didn't ask for any of this. I am from a tough neighborhood in a rust belt city. Saw lots of abuse - experienced it too. I escaped it all through an athletic scholarship, where brutal mental toughness and honesty were a means of survival. There is a cadre of Falls Church people who are a complete mystery to me. They tend to be effete, always obsessed with politics rather than treating people as individuals on a day to day basis, and inexplicably some support a guy who engaged in awful and incredibly entitled behavior. I don't write this
To change minds, but to rather to observe that this tribe is completely foreign to me, and that sense is underscored by parents who would choose a convict father's entitled anger as the subject matter of the yearbook as opposed to just letting the kids celebrate themselves. Not just the parents, but the keepers of the gate let it happen, too.
Gardner and his wife are way off base here. Their kids have been through enough. If inclined to do a yearbook thing, it should be about the twins, and their high school experiences rather than about channeling angry threats from their convict father. Narcissism isn't a strong enough label here, and the mother is out of her mind to permit this to happen. In rebuttal to Trumptards`point, if you want people to move past this how about the Gardners not making angry and threatening comments in a yearbook, especially directed at young women? And forget about the school letting this slip. They were likely afraid of Ms.Gardner.
I feel bad for all of the kids - the female victims and the twins. They didn't ask for any of this. I am from a tough neighborhood in a rust belt city. Saw lots of abuse - experienced it too. I escaped it all through an athletic scholarship, where brutal mental toughness and honesty were a means of survival. There is a cadre of Falls Church people who are a complete mystery to me. They tend to be effete, always obsessed with politics rather than treating people as individuals on a day to day basis, and inexplicably some support a guy who engaged in awful and incredibly entitled behavior. I don't write this
To change minds, but to rather to observe that this tribe is completely foreign to me, and that sense is underscored by parents who would choose a convict father's entitled anger as the subject matter of the yearbook as opposed to just letting the kids celebrate themselves. Not just the parents, but the keepers of the gate let it happen, too.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
wurm42
()
Date: August 18, 2019 09:54PM
Painting of Bill Clinton in blue dress and heels was inside Jeffrey Epstein's NYC mansion: report | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/a-large-portrait-of-bill-clinton-wearing-a-dress-and-heels-was-inside-jeffrey-epsteins-manhattan-mansion-reports
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/a-large-portrait-of-bill-clinton-wearing-a-dress-and-heels-was-inside-jeffrey-epsteins-manhattan-mansion-reports
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
falls Church City resident
()
Date: October 20, 2019 01:58PM
Thomas Clinton. Falls Church VA, Commissioner of Revenue.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church City residents
()
Date: October 20, 2019 02:22PM
Thomas Clinton Falls Church City Commissioner of Revenue, one of the elected officials who wrote the letter’s supporting Michael Gardner.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Falls Church City resident
()
Date: October 20, 2019 03:19PM
This is Thomas Clinton, Commissioner of revenue who wrote on of the letters to keep Michael Gardner out of Jail, it's amazing he still holds a public official position.
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Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
gwj
()
Date: April 17, 2020 06:51PM
Is MICHAEL ARMIN GARDNER still in jail? He does not show up on any list of being in jail
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
he’s in, but for how long
()
Date: April 17, 2020 07:11PM
Michael Armin Gardner
Offender I.D.# 1459671
Location: Coffeewood Correctional Center
Wouldn’t doubt his wife is trying to get him home on some COVID-19 compassionate home confinement release.
Democrats actually want to use federal tax dollars to pay states to release inmates early.
Offender I.D.# 1459671
Location: Coffeewood Correctional Center
Wouldn’t doubt his wife is trying to get him home on some COVID-19 compassionate home confinement release.
Democrats actually want to use federal tax dollars to pay states to release inmates early.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Doubtful
()
Date: April 17, 2020 08:28PM
There are too many other people who are non-violent offenders. Car thieves and low level drug dealers may get freed early, but they aren't going to let out a sexual predator who still has 15 years left to serve.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Governor will pardon him
()
Date: April 18, 2020 02:11PM
If anyone would let a kid toucher out of prison, it's KKK Ralph Northam.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
No Bueno
()
Date: April 18, 2020 04:22PM
Non-violent offenders are getting out first.
Kid touchers are last on that list, just like they are in life.
Kid touchers are last on that list, just like they are in life.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
it happened
()
Date: April 18, 2020 05:00PM
No Bueno Wrote:
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> Non-violent offenders are getting out first.
>
> Kid touchers are last on that list, just like they
> are in life.
You’d hope so, but....
https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/pedophile-ordered-released-to-keep-him-safe-from-coronavirus/
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> Non-violent offenders are getting out first.
>
> Kid touchers are last on that list, just like they
> are in life.
You’d hope so, but....
https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/pedophile-ordered-released-to-keep-him-safe-from-coronavirus/
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Bank Robbers have feelings
()
Date: April 19, 2020 08:18AM
Oh boy. We are letting out kid touchers early? I would seriously prefer to live next door to a bank robber than a kid toucher.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Inmate update
()
Date: May 28, 2020 08:55AM
Unconfirmed but several high profile Virginia inmates are petitioning Governor Northam for release to house arrest due to the pandemic.
Re: Husband of Falls Church City Council Member Arrested
Posted by:
Play is again
()
Date: May 28, 2020 02:54PM
What's the date of the first skin flute band concert played outside the prison walls?