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BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: jerry ()
Date: June 16, 2011 06:28PM

around 5pm BB&T At Clifton Colonnade near Outback Steakhouse was robbed. cops everywhere. several on bikes. in squad cars racing around. i saw more law enforcement rifles and shotguns than i ever have. FFX1 was overhead doing it's thing.

i stopped to ask one cop if we were in danger (walking about a mile home) and he said "no, someone just parked in a handicapped spot, you're safe" yeah, real funny.

i was listening to my scanner, but all i picked up was a skinny white male about 6ft had fled the scene.

anyone know what happened? did they get him?

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: 6X ()
Date: June 16, 2011 07:14PM

I was cooking dinner so I missed all the info. I think he got away. White male in his 30's, gote, ponytail, white t-shirt. Ran into the woods. No dye pack given.

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Man Robs BB&T Bank Suspect still at large.
Posted by: In the News... ()
Date: June 16, 2011 07:19PM

Man Robs BB&T Bank Suspect still at large.
By Mary C. Stachyra | Email the author | 7:03pm
http://centreville.patch.com/articles/man-robs-bbt-bank#photo-6616527

A man robbed the BB&T bank in the Union Mill Colonnade Thursday afternoon.

Lt. Ryan Morgan of the Fairfax County Police Department said that a 911 call came in around 4:35 p.m. Thursday after the bank was robbed. Police dispatched a helicopter and the K-9 unit in response, but the suspect is still at large.

The man was described as a lone white, middle-aged male, but police said that more information won't be available until the investigation is a little farther along.

The FBI was also called to the scene, as is standard procedure in bank robberies.
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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 16, 2011 07:38PM

BB&T and Wachovia are the two large area banks that forbid lawful firearm carry, allowing the bad guys to roam free. I never step foot in those pro-robbery banks. Their policies actually promote gun violence because they attract so many more criminals.

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Re: Man Robs BB&T Bank Suspect still at large.
Posted by: Yahweh ()
Date: June 16, 2011 07:50PM

I heard on the scanner they were looking for a white guy in a brown baseball hat. Curser pulled over a suspect near bent tree, and they were bringing witnesses to id him.
Seems the police activity died down an hour after it started...

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Date: June 16, 2011 07:50PM

Manhunt...that is so sexist

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Re: Man Robs BB&T Bank Suspect still at large.
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 16, 2011 08:44PM

Yahweh Wrote:
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> I heard on the scanner they were looking for a
> white guy in a brown baseball hat. Curser pulled
> over a suspect near bent tree, and they were
> bringing witnesses to id him.
> Seems the police activity died down an hour after
> it started...


Wow....long time seeing your name here!!

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: JJ74 ()
Date: June 16, 2011 09:49PM

Detectives were checking out video at ABC liquor and other shops.
They had bike cops, tactical, K9, helicopter, unmarked were all out.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Middle Aged Man ()
Date: June 16, 2011 11:03PM


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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 12:53AM

Heh, I was there earlier this morning! Could have got in on the action

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: In the News... ()
Date: June 17, 2011 06:11AM

Middle Aged Man Wrote:
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> http://arlnow.com/2011/06/16/bank-robbery-on-lee-h
> ighway-prompts-school-lockdown/
>
> Two hits in one day?

It might be....

Bank Robbery on Lee Highway Prompts School Lockdowns
by ARLnow.com | 1,647 views | June 16, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
http://arlnow.com/2011/06/16/bank-robbery-on-lee-highway-prompts-school-lockdown/

The BB&T Bank at 5515 Lee Highway was robbed around lunchtime today.
The suspect fled the bank on foot, prompting authorities to lock down at least two schools in the area. Parents of Nottingham Elementary and Williamsburg Middle School students received the following message from administrators today.
Today at approximately 12:20 p.m. we were alerted by the Arlington Police about a bank robbery nearby at Lee Highway and Harrison Street. The suspect reportedly left the bank on foot.

As a precaution, the schools “secured the building,” which means all students came indoors from recess, PE or other outside activities. At the same time, we made plans for students to either remain securely in the relocatables or to move into the main building. All exterior doors were locked and classes continued inside. Approximately 30 minutes later, the Police called again to give us the “all clear” and we resumed normal operations.

This is the third reported robbery of a BB&T Bank so far this year. BB&T branches in Rosslyn and Clarendon have been robbed over of the course of the past six months.

Update at 3:55 p.m. — Arlington Public Schools spokesman Frank Bellavia says that the response to the incident did not meet the school system’s definition of a “lock-down,” in which classrooms are locked. Rather, the APS student handbook defines the actions taken today as a “secure the building” response.
Update at 6:55 p.m. — Arlington County Police have issued a press release about the robbery, after the jump. Photos of the suspect are available here

The Arlington County Police Department’s Robbery Unit is seeking the public’s help to identify a man who robbed an Arlington bank this afternoon.
The suspect entered the BB&T Bank in the 5500 block of Lee Highway at approximately 12:19 p.m. on Thursday, June 16, 2011. He displayed a note demanding money, and implied a weapon. After receiving cash, the suspect fled on foot.

The suspect is described as a white male with gray hair between 50 and 60 years old, 6 foot tall and 180 lbs. At the time of the robbery he wore a baseball cap, glasses, a blue and white plaid button down shirt and khaki pants. This robbery and suspect description are similar to the bank robbery that occurred on June 6, 2011.

Anyone who has information about this robbery or the identity of the suspect is asked to call the Arlington County Police Department Tip Line at 703 228-4242, or Detective Donald Fortunato at (703) 228-4197. Det. Fortunato can also be reached by email at dfortunato@arlingtonva.us.
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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: In the News ()
Date: June 17, 2011 06:14AM

And here is more information on the Arlington County robbery of the BB&T....


Police Investigate Bank Robbery
Surveillance photos released
June 16, 2011
MEDIA CONTACT: Det. Crystal Nosal, 703-228-4331
http://news.arlingtonva.us/pr/ava/police-investigate-bank-robbery-208207.aspx

ARLINGTON, VA. - The Arlington County Police Department’s Robbery Unit is seeking the public’s help to identify a man who robbed an Arlington bank this afternoon.

The suspect entered the BB&T Bank in the 5500 block of Lee Highway at approximately 12:19 p.m. on Thursday, June 16, 2011. He displayed a note demanding money, and implied a weapon. After receiving cash, the suspect fled on foot.


The suspect is described as a white male with gray hair between 50 and 60 years old, 6 foot tall and 180 lbs. At the time of the robbery he wore a baseball cap, glasses, a blue and white plaid button down shirt and khaki pants. This robbery and suspect description are similar to the bank robbery that occurred on June 6, 2011.

Anyone who has information about this robbery or the identity of the suspect is asked to call the Arlington County Police Department Tip Line at 703 228-4242, or Detective Donald Fortunato at (703) 228-4197. Det. Fortunato can also be reached by email at dfortunato@arlingtonva.us.
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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: 6X ()
Date: June 17, 2011 07:50AM

Fixed it for you.
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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: ProVallone ()
Date: June 17, 2011 07:58AM

You friggin white people with your baseball caps, brew pubs, country music and bank robberries.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Bannas ()
Date: June 17, 2011 08:49AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> BB&T and Wachovia are the two large area banks
> that forbid lawful firearm carry, allowing the bad
> guys to roam free. I never step foot in those
> pro-robbery banks.


> Their policies actually
> promote gun violence because they attract so many
> more criminals.


Care to provide some facts to back this up?

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Snapple ()
Date: June 17, 2011 09:07AM

Why is it that security cameras are never quite good enough to actually make out a suspect's face? In the year 2011, in a fucking bank, they can't do better than that?

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Funny_Guy ()
Date: June 17, 2011 09:36AM

Snapple Wrote:
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> Why is it that security cameras are never quite
> good enough to actually make out a suspect's face?
> In the year 2011, in a fucking bank, they can't do
> better than that?

My question is why these guys aren't wearing any masks.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 09:39AM

Bannas Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BB&T and Wachovia are the two large area banks
> > that forbid lawful firearm carry, allowing the
> bad
> > guys to roam free. I never step foot in those
> > pro-robbery banks.
>
>
> > Their policies actually
> > promote gun violence because they attract so
> many
> > more criminals.
>
>
> Care to provide some facts to back this up?

I would, but not to some anon poster who can't spell "bananas".

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Thought Police ()
Date: June 17, 2011 09:54AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> Bannas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justsayin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > BB&T and Wachovia are the two large area
> banks
> > > that forbid lawful firearm carry, allowing
> the
> > bad
> > > guys to roam free. I never step foot in
> those
> > > pro-robbery banks.
> >
> >
> > > Their policies actually
> > > promote gun violence because they attract so
> > many
> > > more criminals.
> >
> >
> > Care to provide some facts to back this up?
>
> I would, but not to some anon poster who can't
> spell "bananas".

I think "Bannas" is a name, not "Bananas".

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:01AM

Thought Police Wrote:
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> I think "Bannas" is a name, not "Bananas".

I thought so too, but I'm not finding it.

Edit to add - evidently it is indeed a name of a defensive poster here.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2011 10:14AM by justsayin.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Date: June 17, 2011 10:06AM

This shit is bananas.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Bannas ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:08AM

It's my first name. Sorry you don't approve of it. Should I go back to the country I came from? While I'm busy packing, can you please provide the requested information?

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:13AM

I can reply to the portion of the post that had to do with me...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20026845-504083.html

No one would even consider doing this in a bank that allowed lawful carry.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Bannas ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:14AM

And, try a Google search eliminating the term Bananas

once you eliminate the 62 million hits that have it in there, you'll find about 500,000 hits for my name.

Since it's obviously too complicated for you to do, type this exactly:

"Bannas"

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: themoreyouknow ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:16AM

I pasted that into the arrest search here on this blog and nothing came up so you must be a good guy, don't go anywhere.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: ProVallone ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:16AM

Bannas Wrote:
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> It's my first name. Sorry you don't approve of
> it. Should I go back to the country I came from?
> While I'm busy packing, can you please provide the
> requested information?

As long as you are offering , yes, you SHOULD go back to the God forsaken country that names its people "Bannas".

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Bannas ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:17AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> I can reply to the portion of the post that had to
> do with me...
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20026845-50
> 4083.html
>
> No one would even consider doing this in a bank
> that allowed lawful carry.


Can you prove that? Do you have statistics from independent sources to back that up? Please show how it relates.

Do Wachovia and BB&T get robbed more often than a bank that does not bar concealed weapons?

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:28AM

Bannas Wrote:
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> Do Wachovia and BB&T get robbed more often than a
> bank that does not bar concealed weapons?

Yes! That is what I have been saying!





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Re: Man Robs BB&T Bank Suspect still at large.
Posted by: yukon2it ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:31AM

Can you or anyone recommend a good scanner for Fairfax Sully district?.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Bannas ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:42AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> Bannas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do Wachovia and BB&T get robbed more often than
> a
> > bank that does not bar concealed weapons?
>
> Yes! That is what I have been saying!


And I have been asking for information to back that statement up. Unbiased Proof. All you have done is provide a link to a CBS news link about how a branch was robbed by someone in a Hillary mask. Then you said Nobody would try that in a bank that allowed lawful carry.

FBI statistics? Peer-reviewed Criminal Justice publications? Something that does not have statistics presented by the Brady Institute/Amnesty International or VCDL/NRA which will be statistically correct but intentionally misleading.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Thought Police ()
Date: June 17, 2011 10:48AM

He's right, do a google search on bank robberies you'll see BB&T and Wachovia pop up alot.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 11:18AM

The FBI has national bank robbery statistics but do not break out which banks they occurred at.

The fairest source I can think of is FCPD stats, so I pulled up all the 2010 and 2011 FCPD news releases and extracted the banks with the dates they were robbed.

01/06/10 - United
01/13/10 - Wachovia
02/12/10 - BB&T
02/19/10 - BB&T
02/22/10 - BB&T
02/26/10 - Apple FCU
03/02/10 - Northwest FCU
03/06/10 - Cardinal
03/09/10 - TD Bank
03/09/10 - BB&T
03/16/10 - Wachovia
03/19/10 - Chevy Chase
03/26/10 - Union Bank
05/27/10 - BB&T
08/11/10 - Union Bank
10/21/10 - Presidential
10/26/10 - Capital One
11/08/10 - Wachovia
11/24/10 - Wachovia
12/22/10 - Wachovia
01/18/11 - Wachovia
03/07/11 - Commerce Bank
03/25/11 - BB&T
04/11/11 - Congressional
05/06/11 - Wachovia
05/13/11 - Cardinal
05/19/11 - United
06/08/11 - BB&T

Total - 28 banks

Wachovia - 7
BB&T - 7
Union - 2
United - 2
Cardinal - 2
Cap One/Chevy Chase - 2
Congressional - 1
Commerce - 1
Apple FCU - 1
Presidential - 1
Northwest FCU - 1
TD Bank - 1


Wachovia and BB&T have made up half the robberies with seven each. They are each over three times higher in frequency than any of the other banks.

edit - link to FCPD news releases http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/

Your turn.



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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Funny_Guy ()
Date: June 17, 2011 11:25AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> The FBI has national bank robbery statistics but
> do not break out which banks they occurred at.
>
> The fairest source I can think of is FCPD stats,
> so I pulled up all the 2010 and 2011 FCPD new
> releases and extracted the banks with the dates
> they were robbed.
>
> 01/06/10 - United
> 01/13/10 - Wachovia
> 02/12/10 - BB&T
> 02/19/10 - BB&T
> 02/22/10 - BB&T
> 02/26/10 - Apple FCU
> 03/02/10 - Northwest FCU
> 03/06/10 - Cardinal
> 03/09/10 - TD Bank
> 03/09/10 - BB&T
> 03/16/10 - Wachovia
> 03/19/10 - Chevy Chase
> 03/26/10 - Union Bank
> 05/27/10 - BB&T
> 08/11/10 - Union Bank
> 10/21/10 - Presidential
> 10/26/10 - Capital One
> 11/08/10 - Wachovia
> 11/24/10 - Wachovia
> 12/22/10 - Wachovia
> 01/18/11 - Wachovia
> 03/07/11 - Commerce Bank
> 03/25/11 - BB&T
> 04/11/11 - Congressional
> 05/06/11 - Wachovia
> 05/13/11 - Cardinal
> 05/19/11 - United
> 06/08/11 - BB&T
>
> Total - 28 banks
>
> Wachovia - 7
> BB&T - 7
> Union - 2
> United - 2
> Cardinal - 2
> Cap One/Chevy Chase - 2
> Congressional - 1
> Commerce - 1
> Apple FCU - 1
> Presidential - 1
> Northwest FCU - 1
> TD Bank - 1
>
>
> Wachovia and BB&T have made up half the robberies
> with seven each. They are each over three times
> higher in frequency than any of the other banks.
>
> Your turn.

Wow, now I know which bank to rob! Thanks!
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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Date: June 17, 2011 12:10PM

Perhaps, banks with the most branches are most likely to be hit. The only outlier may be Chevy Chase/Capital One which has a fair amount.

The one major bank absent from that list is Suncrust....Instead of robbing them, cars drive into them.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 12:15PM

Another is Bank of America, and there are plenty of them in the county. It appears the cat has gotten Bannas' tongue, more reason why I try not to bother doing research answering serious questions if they are posed by anon users... they just go away. Ah well, perhaps the effort will be useful to someone else.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Funny_Guy ()
Date: June 17, 2011 12:16PM

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> The one major bank absent from that list is
> Suncrust....Instead of robbing them, cars drive
> into them.

Hhahahahahhahahhaha!
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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Date: June 17, 2011 12:18PM

True. Forgot about them.

I am not an expert on bank robberies. I would guess that 90% of robbers case the bank before it gets hit. Drive bys to see if it looks busy, access to interstate nearby, etc.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 12:24PM

That is all possible, but one would then expect a more random distribution of banks. And wouldn't the bigger banks be busier, which would lead criminals to the smaller banks or credit unions? I don't know, all I know is the numbers tell their story.

I was actually surprised to see how right the statement was after running the numbers. As with other posters, I noticed them coming up frequently but I also knew those two are often criticized for banning lawful gun carry, which criminals quite obviously ignore.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: FBI Documentary ()
Date: June 17, 2011 12:39PM

Bank Robberies: FBI Training Video

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Bannas ()
Date: June 17, 2011 01:00PM

Actually, I had to get some work done. Sorry for being a lazy foreigner and taking away American jobs.

Ok, so now normalize that according to the total number of bank branches in the area. Then what's the percentage?

Also, look at where all of the banks that were robbed were at. Are any of them near areas with multiple escape routes/metro/forested areas. Are they in strip malls, stand alone facilities, near police sub-stations?

Do any of the other businesses that have prominent "no guns" signs get robbed more often than any of their counterparts that don't? Springfield Mall and Tysons Corner both ban guns. Which one are you more likely to be Robbed or Carjacked or Assaulted at? By your logic, they should have an equal amount of felonies at both (although this may change once the metro shows up at Tysons). Buffalo Wild Wings does not allow guns. Do they get robbed more often than Wings n Things?

How about this guy who robbed 4 banks in one day. Only one of them is prominent as a No Gun bank. By your logic, he should have only robbed BB&T banks, or Wachovia, but he instead robbed 3 other banks that could have possibly been filled with law-abiding citizens carrying concealed who would have put an end to his reign of terror.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/05/suspect-in-string-of-fairfax-bank-robberies-sought-61084.html

Correlation does not imply Causation.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 01:07PM

I gave my numbers from a neutral source all here can verify. I you refute them, then YOU come back with why they are wrong. No amount of self-flagellation over your own name is going to be a defense. Post your own stats, as I did as challenged.



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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 01:16PM

Bannas Wrote:
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> Springfield Mall
> and Tysons Corner both ban guns. Which one are
> you more likely to be Robbed or Carjacked or
> Assaulted at?

I find no notes of Tyson's Corner banning lawful carry, but I know Springfield Mall does. I think you answered your own question on that one, but please link a Tyson's Corner-sourced no-carry policy if one exists.

Springfield Mall's is here http://www.springfieldmall.com/security.aspx

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: my favorite ()
Date: June 17, 2011 01:26PM

Love people like that... demanded numbers and criticized for imprecise allegations, then gets some pretty unbiased numbers from a spot-on data set. Instead of thanking justsayin' for his time he countered with... imprecise allegations. I laughed at that one, thanks justsayin' for the numbers, those are interesting.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: johnmason ()
Date: June 17, 2011 01:46PM

justsayin Wrote:
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> The FBI has national bank robbery statistics but
> do not break out which banks they occurred at.
>
> The fairest source I can think of is FCPD stats,
> so I pulled up all the 2010 and 2011 FCPD news
> releases and extracted the banks with the dates
> they were robbed.
>
> 01/06/10 - United
> 01/13/10 - Wachovia
> 02/12/10 - BB&T
> 02/19/10 - BB&T
> 02/22/10 - BB&T
> 02/26/10 - Apple FCU
> 03/02/10 - Northwest FCU
> 03/06/10 - Cardinal
> 03/09/10 - TD Bank
> 03/09/10 - BB&T
> 03/16/10 - Wachovia
> 03/19/10 - Chevy Chase
> 03/26/10 - Union Bank
> 05/27/10 - BB&T
> 08/11/10 - Union Bank
> 10/21/10 - Presidential
> 10/26/10 - Capital One
> 11/08/10 - Wachovia
> 11/24/10 - Wachovia
> 12/22/10 - Wachovia
> 01/18/11 - Wachovia
> 03/07/11 - Commerce Bank
> 03/25/11 - BB&T
> 04/11/11 - Congressional
> 05/06/11 - Wachovia
> 05/13/11 - Cardinal
> 05/19/11 - United
> 06/08/11 - BB&T
>
> Total - 28 banks
>
> Wachovia - 7
> BB&T - 7
> Union - 2
> United - 2
> Cardinal - 2
> Cap One/Chevy Chase - 2
> Congressional - 1
> Commerce - 1
> Apple FCU - 1
> Presidential - 1
> Northwest FCU - 1
> TD Bank - 1
>
>
> Wachovia and BB&T have made up half the robberies
> with seven each. They are each over three times
> higher in frequency than any of the other banks.
>
> edit - link to FCPD news releases
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/
>
>
> Your turn.

holy crap! Bank of America is not in there at all.
which must mean their time is coming...

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: jimW ()
Date: June 17, 2011 01:58PM

Snapple Wrote:
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> Why is it that security cameras are never quite
> good enough to actually make out a suspect's face?
> In the year 2011, in a fucking bank, they can't do
> better than that?


You got that right.

I would imagine that the excuse is that HD video 24/7 or even just during business hours would take up way too much hard drive space.

But if you watched the FBI Training video, you would have caught that in those days, the video camera was triggered by the silent alarm.

Could a camera system be setup such that it recorded in SD, but then when a silent alarm is triggered it goes to HD? and maybe even keeps a 5 minute backlog of HD waiting for a silent alarm?

Even without that, why aren't there cameras on the counter? instead of always on the ceiling? the hats are there to block those. if we get a camera on the counter, and at each door way going out (like in the door frame) we'd always get a great shot of the face.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: In the News... ()
Date: June 17, 2011 02:08PM

I did a google search on "Bank of America Bank Robberies" and found at least one for 2010 in Loudoun County.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 02:22PM

Yeah, one of the Fairfax robberies was part of a string of them that included Loudoun and I think BofA was in there. But I'm not going through Loudoun's numbers, someone else can do that as I think I have evidenced my point quite well. It would be nice to have some Virginia-wide numbers, I wish I could find FBI reports that gave state plus names of banks hit.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: In the News... ()
Date: June 17, 2011 02:50PM

justsayin Wrote:
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> Yeah, one of the Fairfax robberies was part of a
> string of them that included Loudoun and I think
> BofA was in there. But I'm not going through
> Loudoun's numbers, someone else can do that as I
> think I have evidenced my point quite well. It
> would be nice to have some Virginia-wide numbers,
> I wish I could find FBI reports that gave state
> plus names of banks hit.

I wasn't able to find any of those numbers either. I did find this interesting tid bit on what not to do for Bank employees during a robbery:


10 Potentially Catastrophic Mistakes During Bank Robberies
by Tony Brissette
http://www.bankersonline.com/articles/bhv12n12/bhv12n12a3.html

Most bank employees will never experience a bank robbery. But those who do will find it can be a very traumatic experience.

Approximately 80 percent of bank robberies involve a lone robber who holds up a lone teller. The bank robber may hand the teller a note and may or may not display a weapon. The robber's goal is to appear simply as a customer conducting a transaction. He doesn't want to be noticed and counts on only one witness - the teller.

Take-over robberies have been increasing in the last few years and can be extremely dangerous. These robbers, who usually travel in groups, will enter the bank with guns drawn and be very intimidating, creating a volatile situation. The robbers may jump the teller counter and force tellers down to the floor.

The Bank Protection Act requires that all employees and officers be trained annually on proper procedures for robberies, larcenies and burglaries. Most financial institutions will train their tellers but fail to recognize the importance of training all employees and officers regarding their responsibilities under the protection act. Unfortunately, this lack of training has resulted in some very dangerous actions taken by employees.

Annual security training of employees will meet the requirements of the Bank Protection Act but annually is not enough. Bank Security Officers should constantly be reminding tellers of their proper procedures during a robbery throughout the year. This can be accomplished by sending out memos, distributing newspaper stories or security articles about robberies, which is a form of continuing education.

In my capacity as Corporate Security Training Officer for a major bank located in Boston, Massachusetts I received reports on all bank robberies that occurred in the New England region. Most of these robberies were handled by tellers and employees in the proper manner but from time to time an employee would either not comply with the robber's demands or would do something that escalated the level of danger and exposed both employees and customers to increased danger. The following list of ten catastrophic mistakes committed by bank employees is based on those reports:

Do not treat the hold up note as a joke or a prank.
There have been several instances in which a teller has been handed a hold up note and believes the customer is joking. If the teller does not believe the note is serious, the robber may feel forced to display a weapon, escalating the likelihood of harm.


Do not create any surprises for the robber.
In some cases tellers have walked away from their teller station if they don't observe a weapon. Others have been advised to pretend to faint. These actions may be successful in thwarting the bank robber, who may simply run out of the bank. But if the robber is really desperate, the teller's actions may cause the robber to display a weapon and possibly grab a customer in the lobby. Do exactly what the robber tells you to do.


Do not carry excess cash in your cash drawer.
Bank robbers will come back if they're given large amounts of cash. Tellers should adhere to their bank's cash limits for both top drawer and teller station. If a teller accepts a large cash deposit, excess cash should be transferred to the head teller immediately.


Do not offer to rob the bank for the robber.
Only give to the robber the money demanded. Don't ask if the robber wants the cash in your second drawer.


Do not attempt to bring attention to the robbery.
Statistically bank employees who follow the bank robber's instructions are seldom injured in the course of a robbery. Handle the bank robber as you would a regular customer. Don't attempt to gain the attention of anyone else to alert them to what is going on. The most important role you have in this robbery is to ensure the safety of all employees and customers in the bank. Bringing attention to the robber could compromise the safety of all.


Do not argue with the robber or attempt to talk him/her out of the robbery.
Arguing, confronting or attempting to talk the robber out of the crime will increase the likelihood that others will become aware a robbery is in progress and escalate the level of danger.


Do not tell customers that you have just been robbed.
After one robbery, just as the robber reached the front door, the teller yelled out "grab him, he just robbed me." This was an extremely dangerous action that places the safety of employees and customers in danger. What if a customer did attempt to grab the robber and a struggle took place in which a weapon was used and either a customer or employee was injured or killed? On occasion customers, believing they are acting as good Samaritans, have confronted or chased robbers and increased the likelihood of danger to themselves and others.


Do not ever leave the bank after a robbery.
In numerous cases we found that after the bank robber left the branch, a bank employee will either exit the bank to see if they can observe the robber's getaway or - worse - actually pursue the bank robber in a chase. This type of action not only places the employee in danger but also poses a threat to others. If during such a chase or attempt to observe a robber that someone is injured, the bank will have potential liability in a possible civil action. This is an especially important message for non-retail employees who may not have been trained properly. Let the police chase the robber.


In a take-over robbery, do not make sudden movements.
Do not attempt to activate hold up alarms, run out of the bank, or attempt to call the police. Take-over robberies are extremely dangerous because the robbers are most likely displaying weapons. If you are on the telephone when a take-over robbery occurs hang the telephone up and do not answer any in-coming calls unless the robbers tell you to. Attempting to activate an alarm can also be very dangerous if the robbers observe you during your attempt. Do not try to escape the robbery, as robbers will be closely watching for this activity.


Do not ever attempt to engage the robber(s) in a struggle.
Although most of us would never imagine engaging a robber in a physical confrontation, there have been cases in which bank security guards, branch managers and other employees have physically confronted bank robbers. Remember this type of response to a robber increases the level of danger to all employees and customers in the bank.

Tony Brissette is a veteran of over 30 years as a Director of Security in Massachusetts. Now President of Brissette Consulting Services, Inc., in Shrewsbury, MA, he specializes in bank security training programs. He can be reached at (508) 842-2500.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Not much of an update ()
Date: June 17, 2011 05:31PM

Bank Robbery in Centreville Area
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2011/061711bankrobcville.htm

Fairfax County Police Department
Public Information Office
4100 Chain Bridge Road, Fairfax, Va. 22030
703-246-2253. TTY 703-204-2264. Fax 703-246-4253
FCPD-PIO@fairfaxcounty.gov
www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police
News Release: 2011-1670243/BW/(1)
June 17, 2011

Bank Robbery in Centreville Area
Sully Police District – Police are investigating a bank robbery that occurred yesterday, Thursday, June 16. At 4:30 p.m. a man entered the BB&T Bank at 5700 Union Mill Road and demanded money. The suspect fled with an undisclosed amount of cash. There were no injuries.

The suspect was described as white, about 5 feet 7 inches tall, heavyset, with a ponytail and facial hair.

Anyone with information is asked to contact Crime Solvers by phone at 1-866-411-TIPS/8477, e-mail at www.fairfaxcrimesolvers.org or text “TIP187” plus your message to CRIMES/274637 or call Fairfax County Police at 703-691-2131.




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To request this information in an alternate format, call the Public Information Office at 703.246.2253. TTY 703-204-2264

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 17, 2011 05:41PM

BB&T - 8. I didn't count the latest one!

PNC didn't make the list either and they have tons of branches.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: In the News... ()
Date: June 17, 2011 08:10PM

justsayin Wrote:
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> BB&T - 8. I didn't count the latest one!
>
> PNC didn't make the list either and they have tons
> of branches.

I'd love to see a report for all the banks in Virginia but I can't seem to find one.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Funny_Guy ()
Date: June 17, 2011 08:21PM

I'll bet it went down like this....


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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: yagirll ()
Date: June 17, 2011 09:11PM

OMMGGG WHY ARE THERE SO MANY CRIMINALS AROUND HERE

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 19, 2011 06:07PM

Bannas sure is a busy guy, working so hard for days-straight and can't post, poor guy.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Man on Fire ()
Date: June 19, 2011 11:11PM

justsayin Wrote:
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> Bannas sure is a busy guy, working so hard for
> days-straight and can't post, poor guy.

He's probably the one robbing the banks.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: wait a minute.. ()
Date: June 19, 2011 11:42PM

Is that a Westfield High School baseball cap that he is wearing!!??

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Wally World ()
Date: June 20, 2011 06:28AM

wait a minute.. Wrote:
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> Is that a Westfield High School baseball cap that
> he is wearing!!??

Can't tell, it might be a WV but its not clear enough to make out.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Stinkfist ()
Date: June 20, 2011 06:30AM

LOL at the Westfield ball cap

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 20, 2011 07:11AM

No, it is a Washington Nationals "W" cap.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: Funny_Guy ()
Date: June 20, 2011 10:52AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> No, it is a Washington Nationals "W" cap.

In this town it wouldn't suprise me if he was on the roster for the Nats!

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: I-scream ()
Date: June 20, 2011 12:51PM

Concealed handguns allowed in banks has absolutely no bearing on which banks get robbed. In some of the robberies no weapons were ever used at all, just a bank note.

You are giving crooks way to much credit if you think they spend time to look up which banks allow concealed permits. The major factor in bank robberies is location. Crook's prefer stand alone banks, which is what BB&T has the most of in Fairfax county.

When the serial robber was caught two years ago they got him by tackling him, no guns involved.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: NoGunsPlease ()
Date: June 20, 2011 12:58PM

The bank can afford to lose $2000 to a robber. Hell of a lot cheaper than insurance and liability for a wrong death or wounding.


Do not attempt to bring attention to the robbery.
Statistically bank employees who follow the bank robber's instructions are seldom injured in the course of a robbery. Handle the bank robber as you would a regular customer. Don't attempt to gain the attention of anyone else to alert them to what is going on. The most important role you have in this robbery is to ensure the safety of all employees and customers in the bank. Bringing attention to the robber could compromise the safety of all.


Do not argue with the robber or attempt to talk him/her out of the robbery.
Arguing, confronting or attempting to talk the robber out of the crime will increase the likelihood that others will become aware a robbery is in progress and escalate the level of danger.


Do not tell customers that you have just been robbed.
After one robbery, just as the robber reached the front door, the teller yelled out "grab him, he just robbed me."
This was an extremely dangerous action that places the safety of employees and customers in danger. What if a customer did attempt to grab the robber and a struggle took place in which a weapon was used and either a customer or employee was injured or killed? On occasion customers, believing they are acting as good Samaritans, have confronted or chased robbers and increased the likelihood of danger to themselves and others.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: R_in_FFX ()
Date: June 20, 2011 01:05PM

Even if I had my gun on me, I am not sure I would draw it to stop a bank robbery. It would depend on the situation; ie: how many robbers there are, what weapons if any they are using to rob the bank, how many people are in the bank. If I pull out a gun in an attempt to thwart the crime, might innocent people get shot if things go bad? You have to bear in mind these banks are insured, any money stolen will be reimbursed. Bank robbers also want to get in and get out fast. They know the cops are coming they dont want a standoff or shootout.

Please dont misunderstand this as condoning a victim status. I would never advocate for an individual to lay down and accept the role of victim should they be the target of a mugging or home invasion etc. By all means pull out your .45 and make a mess. But in a bank, I just feel youre at a much higher risk for unintended consequences should you try to step up and do the right thing.

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Re: BB&T Centreville Robbed, Manhunt
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 20, 2011 01:41PM

I doubt I would use mine either unless the gun gets pointed at me, very rarely do actual shootings occur even when a gun is displayed. I won't draw or shoot to stop the robbery itself.

But as I told Banna I welcome other explanations with things other than guesses, opinion and conjecture. We have two banks that forbid carry lawful carry and they made up more than half the robberies last year and this year in the county. Maybe my opinion relies on coincidence, but it has numbers to evidence it. Show me a reason to reconsider my position and I'll be happy to do it!

I-scream - please explain why BofA and PNC are not in the list at all, given they are mostly standalone banks too. Wachovia is right up the with BB&T, and the locations I can remember near where I live are embedded in strip malls. It is dopey to call someone else wrong when your counterargument is so obviously flawed, thanks for playing.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/20/2011 01:42PM by justsayin.

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