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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Jack Hoff ()
Date: May 22, 2011 12:27PM

I guess if you can sue McDonalds for getting you fat you can sue a beer maker for getting you drunk.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: May 22, 2011 01:47PM

I remember when parents were in an uproar over wine coolers in the late 80's early 90's. The fruity flavor and "goes down easy" taste was very inviting for kids. I thought it was stupid to blame the drinks then and I think that it's stupid now with Four Loko or whatever. Why? The main reason was that I was probably raised right and knew I'd get an ass beating if I came home drunk in high school. I mean, it IS underage drinking, which is illegal. Nowadays, as a parent I have the same responsibility to actually guide my children into adulthood in a responsible manner.

I feel for the Rupp family, but it's not Four Loko's fault. Maybe if they were too loose in their household discipline. Maybe it's their son's fault for drinking too much too fast. Or maybe it's just a perfect storm of coincidences that ended up snake eyes for the family. Sometimes kids do dumb shit, tragedies happen, and it's nobody's "fault". To cast blame on a product is misguided, but they're still grieving and this is sort of the lashing out at everyone/everything that has to happen.

My anger sets in when some dumbfuck ambulance chasing lawyer actually takes this case.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: May 22, 2011 02:00PM

Many similarities here to the Lannes parents blaming Schnippel for their daughter's overdose death. Must be something in the Virginia Run water.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Four Loco ()
Date: May 22, 2011 02:21PM

I think Four Loco is much stronger then a Wine Cooler but I think Four Loco markets to kids.

(What right minded adult which drink that shit)

If Four Loco is found it be harmful since it also contains to what amounts to as an upper they should take it off the market.

Childern should not drink. I bet the parents wish they had done a better job raising their son. He paid the price and I think the parents do not want another death due to this beverage.

I feel sorry for the whole family.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 22, 2011 02:35PM

Four Loco Wrote:
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> I think Four Loco is much stronger then a Wine
> Cooler but I think Four Loco markets to kids.
>
> (What right minded adult which drink that shit)
>
> If Four Loco is found it be harmful since it also
> contains to what amounts to as an upper they
> should take it off the market.
>
> Childern should not drink. I bet the parents wish
> they had done a better job raising their son. He
> paid the price and I think the parents do not want
> another death due to this beverage.
>
> I feel sorry for the whole family.


The mom seems to think that if the kid drank some run-of-the mill alcohol, this never would have happened. It should be pointed out that Four Loko has 12% alcohol. Most liquors have 40%. If that's going to be the logic they use in their case, I doubt they will win if it ever gets to trial.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: May 22, 2011 02:40PM

They're not looking to go to trial. Read Old Farte's post. He's spot on. Deep pockets looking for negotiated settlement (confidential, of course).

I get the feeling that 4L may say fuck it and go for broke on this...The causation story is stretched.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 22, 2011 02:44PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> They're not looking to go to trial. Read Old
> Farte's post. He's spot on. Deep pockets looking
> for negotiated settlement (confidential, of
> course).
>
> I get the feeling that 4L may say fuck it and go
> for broke on this...The causation story is
> stretched.


That may be what they want. Fact is 4L will probably file for bankruptcy before that happens.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 22, 2011 02:46PM

drunk on energy drinks....lots of false signals.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: How much does beer have? ()
Date: May 22, 2011 02:48PM

Is must be 4-5% alcohol?

German beer maybe more.

How come thay do not print that info on the label?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 22, 2011 02:52PM

They do. I think it is required by law. 3 to 5 percent for average beers. Things like cider can be 5 to 8 percent.

If I recall correctly 4loko was 10 or 12 percent.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MolsonXXX ()
Date: May 22, 2011 03:08PM

Molson Triple X is some strong beer.

You can't find it in Nova.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: jimmy james ()
Date: May 22, 2011 03:50PM

actually i buy molson XXX at super walmart in manassas....Great Beer and 7.3% alcohol is a plus.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: May 22, 2011 04:09PM

jimmy james Wrote:
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> actually i buy molson XXX at super walmart in
> manassas....Great Beer and 7.3% alcohol is a plus.


No shit! I had a friend who went to school in upstate NY and he'd have to go to Canada to get that stuff. He'd bring it back home for college breaks and we'd get fucked up as hell. Of course, it never caused me to lay down in the middle of a street. Passed out on the floor, yes. In the street, no.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: I guess I better trek to Manassas ()
Date: May 22, 2011 04:35PM

Is it the Walmart on Libera Ave?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Ut videam ()
Date: May 22, 2011 04:53PM

He said "Super Walmart," so I'm guessing it's the one at Manassas Mall.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 22, 2011 08:05PM

@ Warhawk - you said "maybe if they were too loose in their household discipline."

I mean, do you think so? She only, AFTER her child dies in an alcohol-related incident, states on TV that she wishes he had just drank a more traditional drink and only had a hangover..............HER FIFTEEN/SIXTEEN FUCKING YEAR OLD SON!!!!

that household had morals more loose than Kim Kardashian's vagina...............

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: May 22, 2011 08:22PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @ Warhawk - you said "maybe if they were too loose
> in their household discipline."
>
> I mean, do you think so? She only, AFTER her
> child dies in an alcohol-related incident, states
> on TV that she wishes he had just drank a more
> traditional drink and only had a
> hangover..............HER FIFTEEN/SIXTEEN FUCKING
> YEAR OLD SON!!!!
>
> that household had morals more loose than Kim
> Kardashian's vagina...............


Well, yeah it's completely obvious that their household lacked appropriate discipline, but I wasn't trying to call them on the carpet about it.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 22, 2011 09:20PM

well, I will cause dammit, it's those same loose morals that made a 15 yr old kid think it was ok to drink in the first place, y'know?

If I'd got caught drinking when I was his age, I'd have been locked in my room chained to a Buick...........and prolly would have had to drag it to school the next day.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 22, 2011 10:38PM

Four Loco Wrote:
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> I think Four Loco is much stronger then a Wine
> Cooler but I think Four Loco markets to kids.

Just like Captain Morgan; their lovable cartoon pirate mascot appeals to the same demographic that enjoys Disney's "Pirates of the Caribbean" franchise.

Bacardi's logo is a cartoon bat. You know who else has a bat logo? Batman. You know who likes Batman cartoons? Children. Ergo, Bacardi is also marketed towards kids.

Remember those Jameson commercials with the guy jumping into the ocean to save a barrel of whiskey from an octopus? Clearly an appeal to the child's love of silly action movies.

But, I agree, Four Loko is clearly the worst offender currently on the market. Why? Look at the cans:

four-loko-2_20101027120226_640_480.JPG

The bright colors, the simple designs... You know what kind of people are also attracted to bright colors and simple designs? Babies and toddlers. That's right. Four Loko is clearly aiming for the impressionable 0-3 years old demographic.

CRUCIFY THEM.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 22, 2011 11:21PM

0-3 yr old demographic

CLASSIC!!

+1 internets for you, sir!

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Sad times ()
Date: May 23, 2011 04:39PM

The outcome of what happens when you are prescribed Prosac and drink. Mix that with any alcohol and the end result is tragic. Very sad.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: How do you know that info? ()
Date: May 23, 2011 04:48PM

I only wish someone had cared enough about Bo to help him if he had mental problems.

Fairfax is lacking in mental care services.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Fegelein ()
Date: May 24, 2011 12:21AM

If they want to sue someone, they should sue 7-11. The idiot cashier probably didn't even ask for ID.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Ut videam ()
Date: May 24, 2011 12:25AM

They are suing RaceWay, the store that sold the Four Loko.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: insights ()
Date: May 24, 2011 07:53AM

Its really ashame when parents try to reconcile their own guilt by blaming others for thier inability or indifference to what their kids are doing and into. Seems to be a common thread amoungst the Centreville community. For people who seem to put on an air of wealth,power, and self assurance, the headlines never seem to reflect that.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 24, 2011 08:04AM

@Ut - did the kid actually buy the stuff or was there a 3rd party involved? Does anybody know this? (i.e. can it be proven that the clerk didnt check ID?)

@ insights - if you think it's just Centreville that acts like that, you've OBVIOUSLY never been to Westover (Arlington), Countryside (Loudoun), Chevy Chase (MoCo), Accokeek (PG........yes, even they have snobs LoLz), Montclair (PW), Aquia Harbor (Stafford), or Palisades (DC) - in other words, IT'S ALL OVER, PAL!!

The word for today is "Entitlement" :)

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 24, 2011 08:21AM

I would like to know what the ownership chain on the product was. did Bo purchase it? Did another underage person purchase? Did an enabling adult purchase it?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: May 24, 2011 08:24AM

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> I would like to know what the ownership chain on
> the product was. did Bo purchase it? Did another
> underage person purchase? Did an enabling adult
> purchase it?


did he steal it?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: WilliamRoberty ()
Date: May 24, 2011 10:03AM

Four Loko was some good shit. When I was finishing up my masters degree and didnt have a lot of money I drank it on occasion. For $3 you could get two cans of that stuff and get tanked. I always woke up on my couch with the second can in between my legs wondering to myself what the hell happened.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: May 24, 2011 10:08AM

WilliamRoberty Wrote:
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> Four Loko was some good shit. When I was
> finishing up my masters degree and didnt have a
> lot of money I drank it on occasion. For $3 you
> could get two cans of that stuff and get tanked.
> I always woke up on my couch with the second can
> in between my legs wondering to myself what the
> hell happened.


Dare we inquire as to where the first can had been lodged?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Did you see? ()
Date: May 25, 2011 03:21PM

Anyone see Dr. Drew last night as it had Karla Rupp and her attorney talking about the lawsuit.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 25, 2011 04:50PM

Did you see? Wrote:
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> Anyone see Dr. Drew last night as it had Karla
> Rupp and her attorney talking about the lawsuit.

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did she talk about how she wishes her 15 yr old kid had gotten drunk on something more "traditional"?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 26, 2011 07:02AM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Did you see? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone see Dr. Drew last night as it had Karla
> > Rupp and her attorney talking about the
> lawsuit.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> did she talk about how she wishes her 15 yr old
> kid had gotten drunk on something more
> "traditional"?

Whoever gave her advice to say something like that should be fired. If she did that on her own, whoever is advising her should still be fired for not telling her how bad that sounds.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Situation ()
Date: May 26, 2011 01:06PM

She did, she said that her son could not pass out, he could not pass out. She also said that she only saw him bring 4 bottles of Arizona Ice Teas to the country show. She said that she later found out that they were full of Four Loko per a friend. Did he really drink the Four Loko or was it something else?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 26, 2011 03:02PM

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/5469230-417/four-lokos-manufacturer-sued-by-dead-teens-mom.html

Wow.

Karla Rupp, 46, says her son Bo Rupp died Sept. 26, a day after he wandered blind drunk into a highway in suburban Washington D.C. and was hit by a car.

.19 BAC is not "blind drunk." It is "slurring your speech and hitting on a fat chick" drunk.

But Rupp is urging parents to keep close tabs on their children during prom season, saying even the reformulated Four Loko poses an unacceptable threat because a single can contains as much alcohol as five beers.

No, it doesn't. A 24 oz can of Four Loko is 12% alcohol by volume. A 16 oz can of Yuengling is 5% alcohol by volume.

24 oz can of Four Loko at 12% alcohol by volume: 2.88 oz of alcohol

Five 16 oz cans of Yuengling: 80 oz of beer

80 oz of Yuengling at 5% alcohol by volume: 4 oz of alcohol

How is one can of Four Loko equal to five cans of beer?

Another thing that doesn't make sense...

Bo Rupp bought two cans of Four Loko from a gas station convenience store and downed them in the parking lot outside a concert by the country rock band Sugarland on Sept. 25, Simon said. Concert staff noticed that he was severely intoxicated and called his mother to retrieve him, but when Bo stepped out of his mother’s car at a recreation center near his home, he ran out into a busy road and was killed, Rupp’s attorneys say.

Bo, an honor roll student and lacrosse fanatic, drank no other alcoholic drinks and took no drugs, but had a blood alcohol level of 0.19 when he died, the attorneys claim. His mother said, “While I don’t approve of underage drinking of any kind, I believe if Bo had celebrated with more conventional drinks, he would have passed out and ended up with a bad hangover.”


Ok... The Sugarland show started at 7:00PM on September 25th, 2010. According to the thread started when he got hit, there were sirens and helicopters and what-have-you at around 10PM. Unless Bo weighed 120 lbs or less, how is it possible that he slammed the two cans before the show started and still had a BAC of .19 three hours later? Downing two cans in the span of even an hour would have put him at an intial BAC upwards of .30, which is when you start to run the risk of coma.

None of this makes sense, which leads me to believe there's a LOT that isn't being said and Four Loko is being used as a scapegoat because it's convenient.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 26, 2011 03:05PM

I thought he had four bottles of Arizona tea which were then filled with 4 Loko?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Yabels ()
Date: May 26, 2011 03:20PM

MrMephisto Wrote:

Downing two cans in the span of even
> an hour would have put him at an intial BAC
> upwards of .30, which is when you start to run the
> risk of coma.

Sooooo, this can't be true. Two cans of Four Loko in under an hour puts you at .30? I seriously doubt that.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 26, 2011 03:34PM

Yabels Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
>
> Downing two cans in the span of even
> > an hour would have put him at an intial BAC
> > upwards of .30, which is when you start to run
> the
> > risk of coma.
>
> Sooooo, this can't be true. Two cans of Four Loko
> in under an hour puts you at .30? I seriously
> doubt that.

15 years old... Based on the pictures, I'll guess he weighed what, 140 lbs?

If he drank two cans back to back, according to these calculators, he'd be pushing .30 BAC for drinking 48 oz of 12% ABV Four Loko in under an hour.

http://www.onlineconversion.com/bac.htm

http://www.globalrph.com/bac.cgi

I read somewhere that Four Loko was estimated to have upwards of 500mg of caffeine in each can, which is about 5 cups of coffee.

Here's a fun experiment: Go wash down five Nodoze pills with five 1.5 oz shots of 40 proof alcohol and let me know if you get the urge to go play in traffic. I doubt it.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: I just drank some 4 Loco ()
Date: May 26, 2011 03:38PM

All it gave me was the shakes and the shits.

Plus I feel the urge to sue someone.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Got this ()
Date: May 26, 2011 04:29PM

It was stated that he poured two cans of Four Loko into two bottles of Arizona Ice Tea and went to the show. His monther only saw the iced tea bottles in his cooler. He did not walk out of his car by a rec center and get hit by a car. When he got home, he ran off through his neighborhood to the rec center which is off of the main road. He was running in and out of traffic and someone swerved to miss him and the next car did not see him. She did not know what he drank until a couple of weeks later. However, being that they were tailgating, he probably drank other alcohol in addition to the Four Loko if he was that drunk.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Sad sad ()
Date: May 27, 2011 05:21PM

What a story.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 27, 2011 08:44PM

what a family. :(

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Jimmy James III ()
Date: May 28, 2011 10:05PM

This is silly. If you watch or read Mrs. Rupp's interviews...she always says that as soon as she brought Bo home from the concert..he ran out of the car and ran across the street and got struck by another vehicle....THIS IS FALSE...Bo went out to pleasant valley...laid on the ground...waited for a car..someone driving down P. valley saw him laying down in the road and Bo ran off...he later came back and laid in the road again...This time he was struck by the car....Its no secret around here (Virginia Run/Centreville) that Bo committed suicide....Mrs. Rupp says that being drunk and 15 didnt kill her son, rather that Four Loko killed her son....she says that she knows if he drank any other drink..he would be alive today...they are also suing the Raceway in manassas for selling her son the lokos....Suing anyone isnt going to bring her son back...its not going to give her any closure....if she really wants to invest all her time and energy into something..she should speak at schools and teach kids the dangers of underage drinking....I just hate how she is leaving out such important details, trying to make HER story better for HER case....she tries to make it sound like he was all fixed up on some crazy concoction and it caused him to run across a street and accidentally get struck by a car...IT IS JUST NOT TRUE....


Its a sad story- i feel horrible for her loss...but i really believe she is after $$$

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
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Date: May 28, 2011 11:31PM


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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: wow ()
Date: May 29, 2011 01:24AM

Ut videam Wrote:
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> They are suing RaceWay, the store that sold the
> Four Loko.

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/family-sues-manassas-gas-station-after-sons-death

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: on second thought ()
Date: May 29, 2011 01:40AM

Why didnt PWC police detain him when he was at the concert if he was acting erradically??!! The police should have thrown him in a paddywagon as they do everyone else, taken him to the drunk tank, charged him with DIP or disorderly - THEN called his parents to come get him. If they would have done that he wouldn't have had a chance to lay in the middle of the street once he was home, since he wouldnt have been released til the next morning. WTH?!

I'm also pretty sure that the kid had a fake ID when he bought the 4Loko..no chance that RaceWay "knew" that he was underage (as his mom implied) and sold it to him without carding. That place cards me for cigarettes and I am well over 18!

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: capt obvious ()
Date: May 29, 2011 05:39AM

I nominate this douche for a darwin award http://www.darwinawards.com/

This is the downfall of America...scum civil lawers....parents that want to blame everyone but themselves for not teaching their idiot kid about drinking.

and Dr Drew is a total asshat for not stating the obvious like he used to do on the radio show...guess he had "radio" balls back then..but can't tell people to their face that their kid was an idiot....and they are even bigger idiots for trying to sue for something that was no ones fault but their kid....

this kind of shit just pisses me right off....

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: seeing the other side ()
Date: May 29, 2011 09:45AM

When I first heard she was suing, my first reaction was similar to others, thinking she's after the money. But after seeing that Four Loco has the equivalent of 5 beers in one can, I was shocked. I doubt that the child knew that he was drinking that much alcohol. I plan to talk to my 16-year-old about how dangerous this stuff is. If she just stops one kid from drinking too much, it's worth it, especially if it's my kid. Does my kid drink alcohol? Not even close, but I can tell you that I started drinking in 8th grade, sneaking from a friend's parents liqour bar. I had no idea what I was doing, and put myself in some dangerous situations. But times were different back then, drinking was more accepted by parents. If there had been Four Loco back then, who knows what might have happened...

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 29, 2011 09:50AM

@seeing the other side - the fact of the matter is that the kid had other alcoholic drinks that night than just the four loko. and there have been drinks around for a LONG TIME more potent than Four Loko..........whiskey, for instance. C'mon now.

@ on second thought - you know darn well the parents would have sued the PWC police for violating their child's rights for that. :(

@capt - Dr Drew is just a caricature of his old self these day.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: seeing the other side ()
Date: May 29, 2011 10:03AM

What else did the kid drink that night, since you know so much about it? Also, comparing a Four Loco can to whiskey is not very bright, Compare the taste of drinking straight whiskey that is only sold in liquor stores, to that of a fruity drink sold in any convenience store.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 29, 2011 11:06AM

comparing whiskey and four loko is an ok comparison cause kids will drink both if they can get their hands on it. You do know this, right? Comparing Four Loko to a "fruity drink", now THAT'S a not very bright comparison. You've never had the crap, now have you? LoLz

Anywho, I dunno what else the kid had to drink. I should have (meant to say/my bad) stated he COULD have had other alcoholic drinks.

What I do know he had a BAC. of .19 which could have been brought about by regualr beer as well as Four Loko, so I dont know why the alcohol company is at fault for his death.

And for the record, a can of 4Loko isnt the stregth of 5 beers, that's just crap. As Mr Mephisto pointed out earlier in this thread:

"No, it doesn't. A 24 oz can of Four Loko is 12%
> alcohol by volume. A 16 oz can of Yuengling is 5%
> alcohol by volume.
>
> 24 oz can of Four Loko at 12% alcohol by volume:
> 2.88 oz of alcohol
>
> Five 16 oz cans of Yuengling: 80 oz of beer
>
> 80 oz of Yuengling at 5% alcohol by volume: 4 oz
> of alcohol
>
> How is one can of Four Loko equal to five cans of
> beer?"

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 29, 2011 11:10AM

p.s. kids arent buying "fruity drinks" to get fucked up, ok? However, they get their hands on stuff like Four Loko OR Whiskey to get fucked up. His OWN MOM said she wished he'd just had "more traditional drinks" so he'd just have had a hangover. HIS OWN MOM SAID SHE WISHED HE WAS DRINKING REGULAR ALCOHOL! And AFTER her son had died from making unwise choices after drinking. So I'd look closer than an alcohol company for blame for this young man's death.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Jimmy James III ()
Date: May 29, 2011 11:28AM

@seeing other side....so you agree with mrs. rupp because of the high alcohol level that four loko has and because it is fruity? With those reasons..what right does she have to sue?... since u don't like gordons comparison of whiskey, because whiskey isn't an easy to take fruity drink..there are watermelon flavored vodka that you can mix with 7up and it'll taste just fine...so if he drank the watermelon flavored vodka that night and then decided to lay in the road..do you think his mom should sue the vodka company?

bad things happen to good people all the time...ive drank plenty of four lokos and never decided to kill myself.....the media is making four loko into the devil drink because around the country,several kids have died doing stupid things while being drunk on four loko...however, more kids have died on other alcoholic drinks as simple as drinking too much beer or simple liquors...the media is just attacking this NEW drink becuase it has "COOL COLORS" on its can which is somehow obvious it is marketed to kids?? If ur not 21 ur not supposed to be drinking alcohol anyways..end of story..

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Still ()
Date: May 31, 2011 11:39AM

He also had a lot of vodka to drink at the tail gate party pre concert per the friends that were with him that night.

Mrs, Rupp is promoting her THINK TWICE campaign to the kids now in asking them to THINK TWICE before doing any underage drinking. She spoke about this at a recent community event over a month ago and is making wrist bands stateing Think Twice to hand out to kids. Maybe she will use the money to help with that.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: PVR ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:16PM

You have to wonder if the friends at the concert with him will report what happened and what he drank at the concert. Also the events of what Bo did by running from home and laying in the road several times. It was reported by police that he layed in front of a women's car first on Pleasant Valley Road and when she asked him what he was doing, he ran off to the other side of the road. She called the police and that is why they were at the scene so quickly. Still very sad event.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:29PM

“The clerk allowed them to pay for the Four Loco [sic], and later brought the beverage out to their car in a paper bag,” the complaint states"


If this is actually what happened, then the store and the clerk should be sued. I'm guessing the clerk was someone's buddy if this is accurate.


"It is also priced cheaply to be affordable to those consumers, and is sold at convenience stores “where clerks are less likely to check identification to verify a consumer’s age, or may even fail to recognize Four Loko as a product containing alcohol.”"

As for this, I think the last one may be the most valid reason to sue the company itself. If it really doesn't "look" like booze and the design was done partly for that reason (make it look like an energy drink).

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: PVR ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:37PM

That seems far reaching to sue based on the looks of the can but see the point. Agree that the store clerk and store should be sued if it can be proven that they sold it to them. How do you prove that, by the testimony of the other kids (minors) that were with Bo when it was purchased? Hard to believe that a clerk would carry it out to a car. That becomes the story of he said she said in court and which do you believe. Bo was only 16 and knew that it contained alcohol as to why he purchased it. This was not the first time that he and his sophomore friends drank.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:56PM

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> "It is also priced cheaply to be affordable to
> those consumers, and is sold at convenience stores
> “where clerks are less likely to check
> identification to verify a consumer’s age..."

That's just wild speculation. What makes convenience stores less likely to card someone? How could anyone mistake a 15 year-old kid for an adult? Fuck, I still get carded for cigarettes.

> "... or may even fail to recognize Four Loko as a product
> containing alcohol.”"

And that's just silly. If the clerk is blind, maybe, but look at the can:

four%20loko_0.jpg

It mentions "alcohol" in two places near the huge, eye-grabbing "FOUR" on the can. It's a stretch to say the clerk doesn't know Four Loko is an alcoholic beverage, and borderline absurd to think they couldn't figure it out from the can.

> As for this, I think the last one may be the most
> valid reason to sue the company itself. If it
> really doesn't "look" like booze and the design
> was done partly for that reason (make it look like
> an energy drink).

If the goal was to trick people into buying it, I would hesitantly agree with you. However, it's kept in the alcohol section, and I'm pretty sure that the Rupp kid didn't buy it under the assumption there was no alcohol in it.

Look at this can:

2008-07-29-steel-reserve.jpg

Less indication that it contains alcohol than there is on a Four Loko can, but the lack of pretty colors clearly means it's alcoholic?

What about this beverage:

mikes-hard-lemonade.jpg

You have to read the fine print to see it's alcoholic, but there are no kids or clerks accidentally buying or selling it.

This display looks more like a selection of healthy fruit juices than it does a rack of bum wine:

MD%202020%20philosophygeek.jpg

The list goes on and on. The Rupps are suing everyone they can think of because they don't want to admit their own culpability in what happened. It sucks their kid died, but trying to blame it exclusively on some shitty malt liquor is idiotic and I hope their case is promptly dismissed.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Good Article ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:14PM

Four Loko Wrongful Death Suit for Boy, 15
By Cynthia Hsu on May 23, 2011 5:47 AM |


What do you get when you combine alcohol, caffeine, taurine and guarana? Four Loko. And death. Now, there is a Four Loko lawsuit against the company that made the beverage.

Karla Rupp of Virginia believes the beverage contributed to the death of her son, Bo Rupp, 15. The teen drank two cans of the beverage last September before attending a concert. Each can of Four Loko contains the same amount of alcohol of around 4 cans of beer.

Bo was kicked out of the concert for being intoxicated, reports the New York Daily News. His mother came to pick him up, but on the way home Bo leapt out of the car. Disoriented, he ended up in the middle of a dark street, where he sat down. He was hit by a SUV and died the next day, reports Reuters.
Rupp has now brought a Four Loko lawsuit alleging wrongful death. According to Rupp's attorney, Four Loko was "deliberately different" than regular alcoholic drinks and more dangerous since "it's sweet and fruit and marketed directly at the underage crowd," Simon said to Businessweek.

According to the FDA, the caffeine in the drinks masks the alcohol and can lead to alcohol poisoning, reports Businessweek. Four Loko has been banned in several states already.

It seems that the family is blaming Four Loko's existence as the reason for their son's death. To win in the case, then, they must be able to prove that Phusion Projects, Four Loko's manufacturer, was either negligent in putting the product on the market, or intended to cause harm to others by putting the product on the market. Negligence will likely be easier to prove.

However, it is also important to note that you have to be 21 years old to purchase Four Loko. Bo Rupp was only 15. Maybe whatever gas station he bought the product in could be the ones on the hook for selling him the product in the first place.

The Four Loko lawsuit has once against highlighted the dangers of drinking. According to the suit, for kids, or even responsible adults, who drink Four Loko, death may be around the corner.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Pretty ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:17PM

Those are pretty cans and bottles. All of them say Contains Alcohol. That will be a hard case to prove that Four Loko is marketed differently than any of these other ones. Who cares if it is only sold in convenient stores. Is that the argument that only convenient stores will sell it to minors?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 31, 2011 01:18PM

It's a legal product, so I don't know how it can be deemed "negligence." As for what happened to the kid, was Four Loko anymore responsible for what happened than the vodka he was allegedly drinking? Or the fight he had with his parents beforehand?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:25PM

Good Article Wrote:
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> Four Loko Wrongful Death Suit for Boy, 15
> By Cynthia Hsu on May 23, 2011 5:47 AM |
>
>
> What do you get when you combine alcohol,
> caffeine, taurine and guarana? Four Loko. And
> death. Now, there is a Four Loko lawsuit against
> the company that made the beverage.
>
> Karla Rupp of Virginia believes the beverage
> contributed to the death of her son, Bo Rupp, 15.
> The teen drank two cans of the beverage last
> September before attending a concert. Each can of
> Four Loko contains the same amount of alcohol of
> around 4 cans of beer.
>
> Bo was kicked out of the concert for being
> intoxicated, reports the New York Daily News. His
> mother came to pick him up, but on the way home Bo
> leapt out of the car. Disoriented, he ended up in
> the middle of a dark street, where he sat down. He
> was hit by a SUV and died the next day, reports
> Reuters.
> Rupp has now brought a Four Loko lawsuit alleging
> wrongful death. According to Rupp's attorney, Four
> Loko was "deliberately different" than regular
> alcoholic drinks and more dangerous since "it's
> sweet and fruit and marketed directly at the
> underage crowd," Simon said to Businessweek.
>
> According to the FDA, the caffeine in the drinks
> masks the alcohol and can lead to alcohol
> poisoning, reports Businessweek. Four Loko has
> been banned in several states already.
>
> It seems that the family is blaming Four Loko's
> existence as the reason for their son's death. To
> win in the case, then, they must be able to prove
> that Phusion Projects, Four Loko's manufacturer,
> was either negligent in putting the product on the
> market, or intended to cause harm to others by
> putting the product on the market. Negligence will
> likely be easier to prove.
>
> However, it is also important to note that you
> have to be 21 years old to purchase Four Loko. Bo
> Rupp was only 15. Maybe whatever gas station he
> bought the product in could be the ones on the
> hook for selling him the product in the first
> place.
>
> The Four Loko lawsuit has once against highlighted
> the dangers of drinking. According to the suit,
> for kids, or even responsible adults, who drink
> Four Loko, death may be around the corner.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2010/092710suspiciousdeath.htm

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: That sums it up ()
Date: May 31, 2011 06:11PM

Sully Police District - Police are investigating the suspicious death of a 15-year-old boy that occurred on Saturday, September 25 around 8:11 p.m. at Pleasant Valley Road and Smithhaven Place. Detectives from the Crash Reconstruction Unit determined a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser, operated by a 44-year-old man, was traveling north on Pleasant Valley Road when the driver observed another vehicle in front of him make an abrupt u-turn and stop in the roadway. The driver of the Cruiser then felt an impact and stopped his vehicle. He discovered that he’d struck the Centreville-area teen, who was reportedly sitting in the roadway. Further investigation determined the teen was allegedly running in and out of traffic prior to the crash.

The teenager was medevaced to Inova Fairfax Hospital with life-threatening injuries and on Sunday, September 26 around 9:20 p.m., he succumbed to his injuries.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 31, 2011 09:45PM

That sums it up Wrote:
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> Sully Police District - Police are investigating
> the suspicious death of a 15-year-old boy that
> occurred on Saturday, September 25 around 8:11
> p.m. at Pleasant Valley Road and Smithhaven Place.
> Detectives from the Crash Reconstruction Unit
> determined a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser, operated by a
> 44-year-old man, was traveling north on Pleasant
> Valley Road when the driver observed another
> vehicle in front of him make an abrupt u-turn and
> stop in the roadway. The driver of the Cruiser
> then felt an impact and stopped his vehicle. He
> discovered that he’d struck the Centreville-area
> teen, who was reportedly sitting in the roadway.
> Further investigation determined the teen was
> allegedly running in and out of traffic prior to
> the crash.
>
> The teenager was medevaced to Inova
> Fairfax Hospital with life-threatening injuries
> and on Sunday, September 26 around 9:20 p.m., he
> succumbed to his injuries.

I was wrong about the time frame since I based it off the thread that was posted the night it happened.

However... I think his behavior had more to do with a drunk 15 year-old kid being scared about getting into trouble than it did with caffeine in his malt liquor. If he'd crushed a 40 of Steel Reserve or a 5th of liquor before the show, it would have had almost the same alcoholic impact. I doubt his mother would be suing Jack Daniels because a 5th of their liquor has as much alcohol as five beers.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Ut videam ()
Date: May 31, 2011 09:51PM

Mephisto, a fifth is a 750 ml bottle of liquor (so named because it's approximately 1/5 gallon). That has way more alcohol than five beers.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 31, 2011 09:53PM

Ut videam Wrote:
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> Mephisto, a fifth is a 750 ml bottle of liquor (so
> named because it's approximately 1/5 gallon). That
> has way more alcohol than five beers.

That was my point, but I could have been a little clearer, I guess. Mama Rupp is saying that this wouldn't have happened if he'd gotten similarly drunk on a "conventional" alcohol. I don't think his drink of choice had anything to do with his re-enactment of Frogger.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 31, 2011 09:54PM

To PVR and MrMephisto, I'm not saying they should win the case, just that I can see there being enough merit to allow a lawsuit to happen.

Personally, I think the parents are misguided and want to make their son's death about something instead of accepting the fact that, like with most people, his death was unpredictable and meaningless.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: JD ()
Date: May 31, 2011 09:55PM

JD can't be bought at a 7-11.

I think the parents are not out to sue for money.

The parents are out to put 4Loco out of business.

They have a grief I hope I never experience.

I would cry myself to sleep if I failed my child. Maybe even suicide but I have other kids.

If they could go back in time I know they would love to do so.

OK, now grill me for being a loving parent.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 31, 2011 09:58PM

Ut videam Wrote:
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> Mephisto, a fifth is a 750 ml bottle of liquor (so
> named because it's approximately 1/5 gallon). That
> has way more alcohol than five beers.


Fifth is either 24 or 25 ounces. An adult drinking a fifth would be very, very drunk. UVA has a tradition of Fifth by the Forth - something to be done your final year of undergrad there. Folks who attempt it are TRASHED.

Falling down drunk.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: May 31, 2011 09:58PM

JD Wrote:
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> JD can't be bought at a 7-11.
>
> I think the parents are not out to sue for money.
>

That's why they are suing for money.

> The parents are out to put 4Loco out of business.
>

That's why they are suing Raceway.

> They have a grief I hope I never experience.
>

Don't doubt that.

> I would cry myself to sleep if I failed my child.
> Maybe even suicide but I have other kids.
>

I don't know if they failed their son or not. I think instead of dealing with their grief they are projecting onto other parties.

> If they could go back in time I know they would
> love to do so.
>

You do. Really? Do you know them?


> OK, now grill me for being a loving parent.

How is suing Four Loko and Raceway being a loving parent?

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Ou must not love your kids ()
Date: May 31, 2011 10:02PM

You must be a dad who owes child support.

Since you are from DC.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: CERTaint ()
Date: May 31, 2011 11:31PM

I'm CERTain that if you get seven kinds of fucked up on Four Loco, you won't be able to volunteer at various public events that require a sober presence...

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: radarroy ()
Date: June 01, 2011 12:20AM

Got that mother is such a dumb bitch suing 4 loko for something her son drank its fucking ridiculous. Its too bad she didn't get hit by a car while chasing her son a 2in1 would have been nice for society and more food for the worms.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 01, 2011 08:09AM

Ou must not love your kids Wrote:
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> You must be a dad who owes child support.
>
> Since you are from DC.

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what sorta asshole statement is that? And what tells you he's even from DC, Brainiac?

@ radarroy - man, it's scary you made me think that the Rupps may breed again :(

@WashingTone-Locian - it's showing they are loving because they are going after the $$$$$$ to mourn their dead kid IN STYLE!


@JD - not clowning you on being a loving parent, just for being a bit slow. Cause the alcohol you get at 7-Eleven can BE JUST AS DEADLY as JD. 4Loco didnt start that trend, and CERTAINLY isnt doing any other alcoholic beverage doesnt do. Kid didnt die of a heart attack, or by anything the drink did to him. And if he had chosen Budweiser, or any of those "more traditional drinks" that HIS OWN MOTHER SAID SHE WISHED HE HAD DRANK (I still cant get over that vid clip o_0 ) all this crap would have prolly played out the same way. It's just a frivolous lawsuit when in fact, it seems to me like the family had loose rules about teen drinking in the first place.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: June 01, 2011 09:09AM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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>
> what sorta asshole statement is that? And what
> tells you he's even from DC, Brainiac?
>

All blacks are from DC.

> @WashingTone-Locian - it's showing they are loving
> because they are going after the $$$$$$ to mourn
> their dead kid IN STYLE!
>

Thanks for clarifying that. Love = $$$$

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: WilliamRobert ()
Date: June 01, 2011 10:13AM

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Ut videam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mephisto, a fifth is a 750 ml bottle of liquor
> (so
> > named because it's approximately 1/5 gallon).
> That
> > has way more alcohol than five beers.
>
>
> Fifth is either 24 or 25 ounces. An adult drinking
> a fifth would be very, very drunk. UVA has a
> tradition of Fifth by the Forth - something to be
> done your final year of undergrad there. Folks
> who attempt it are TRASHED.
>
> Falling down drunk.

Im my college career I have downed a fifth by myself on countless occasions. I guess we just drank more at WVU. Either way, it is my belief that this is a frivolous lawsuit. These parents could be out telling their story being more productive than trying to cash in on their kids and their own stupidity.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: June 01, 2011 12:21PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @WashingTone-Locian - it's showing they are loving
> because they are going after the $$$$$$ to mourn
> their dead kid IN STYLE!


I doubt it's about money. They want to punish the people they feel (rightly or wrongly) are responsible for their son's death. The only way to do that (since I guess the cops can't go after the convenience store clerk for some reason?) is to sue. And they would love it if this ended with Four Loco being taken off the shelves, which is probably their main goal.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 01, 2011 12:28PM

@Tone - at least in the Rupp family, it seems :(
@Johnny-the cop would need some sorta proof/evidence that the alcohol was sold illegally. I havent heard a thing on how the kid got his hands on the stuff. I dunno about what their "main goal" is, but I do see yr point.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: June 01, 2011 12:30PM

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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>
>
> I doubt it's about money. They want to punish the
> people they feel (rightly or wrongly) are
> responsible for their son's death. The only way to
> do that (since I guess the cops can't go after the
> convenience store clerk for some reason?) is to
> sue. And they would love it if this ended with
> Four Loco being taken off the shelves, which is
> probably their main goal.


There are two people 100% responsible for Bo Rupp's death. Bo Rupp and the person who ran him over. I guess maybe they can sue the driver.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 01, 2011 12:40PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> There are two people 100% responsible for Bo
> Rupp's death. Bo Rupp and the person who ran him
> over. I guess maybe they can sue the driver.

Actually, I'd say it's just Bo Rupp himself. It's not like Four Loko is some sort of drug like acid or PCP that made him think he was invincible. It's alcohol and caffeine. He acted like a stupid drunk kid, period.

I think I already said... His mother was probably bitching him out the entire way home and telling him all the trouble he was in, and he bolted from the car like a scared drunk 16 year-old kid.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: June 01, 2011 12:46PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Tone - at least in the Rupp family, it seems :(
> @Johnny-the cop would need some sorta
> proof/evidence that the alcohol was sold
> illegally. I havent heard a thing on how the kid
> got his hands on the stuff.

From what the lawsuit says in something I read linked in this thread they claim the clerk not only didn't card him, but actually brought the booze out to the car for him/them (his friends).

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> There are two people 100% responsible for Bo
> Rupp's death. Bo Rupp and the person who ran him
> over. I guess maybe they can sue the driver.


I see what you're saying, as technically he ran him over, but I don't think you can actually hold the driver responsible given the circumstances as I understand them.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 01, 2011 12:59PM

@ Johnny Walker - yeah, sure. Right. And they know this how? Seriously, bro - how many times in your life have you EVER seen the clerk at the Kwik-E mart come out from behind the counter to help someone take stuff to their car?
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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: June 01, 2011 01:07PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @ Johnny Walker - yeah, sure. Right. And they
> know this how? Seriously, bro - how many times in
> your life have you EVER seen the clerk at the
> Kwik-E mart come out from behind the counter to
> help someone take stuff to their car?


I agree it's unusual, but if the person working there was a friend of one of them it's plausible it happened that way. Guy getting off work buys booze for his buddies and brings it out to them.

Anyways that's what the lawsuit claims happened. No idea where they got that idea or if they have a witness or what.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: News Hound ()
Date: June 01, 2011 01:10PM

Here's the story with more details...


Rupp Family Sues Makers of Four Loko
Family says Phusion Projects was "careless and negligent" for making the product.
By Mary C. Stachyra | Email the author | May 20, 2011
http://centreville.patch.com/articles/rupp-family-sues-makers-of-four-loko

The parents of Bo Rupp, a 15-year-old Centreville boy who died last year after sitting in the middle of the road, have filed a lawsuit against the makers of Four Loko, a caffeinated alcoholic drink.

John and Karla Rupp say that Phusion Projects was "negligent and careless" for marketing a drink with 12 percent alcohol that also masks the side effects of intoxication. The lawsuit was filed Thursday in Cook County Circuit Court, Illinois.

"I hope other parents will talk to their children about this drink,'' Karla Rupp said in a press release. "We don't want any other family to go through the sheer terror of losing a child.''

Phusion Projects issued a statement saying their thoughts were with the Rupp family and their loss pointed to the problem of alcohol abuse. They said they try to make sure their products are consumed by people over the age of 21.

Bo Rupp, then a sophomore at Westfield High School, apparently ran in and out of traffic near his Virginia Run home on Pleasant Valley Road in Centreville, then sat down in the middle of the roadway and was struck by a neighbor's car. He died the next day.

Karla Rupp told a Citizens Advisory Committee meeting last month that her son had brought some iced tea bottles to a concert, which were filled with Four Loko. She alleged that the Manassas convenience store he bought it from went so far as to bring the bottles out to him in a car, knowing that he was underage.The Manassas store is also named in the suit, according to a press release.

"With Four Loko, you can't smell it," Officer Lou Munoz, a school resource officer at Westfield High School, said at the CAC meeting last month. "So when they come home at the end of the night, as long as they're kinda holding it together a little bit, you're not going to be able to notice it."

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: News Hound ()
Date: June 01, 2011 01:11PM

After Son's Death, Mom Pushes for Awareness of Teen Alcohol Abuse
By sharing her son's story, Karla Rupp hopes to get the message out to local teens and parents.
By Mary C. Stachyra | Email the author | April 22, 2011
http://centreville.patch.com/articles/after-sons-death-mom-pushes-for-awareness-of-teen-alcohol-abuse

What can happen in an hour?

That's what Karla Rupp thought when she dropped off her son Bo at a concert last September, an hour before it started.

But what happened in an hour cost Bo his life.

"Bo didn't know what could happen in an hour," Rupp said. "Dying wasn't part of the plan."

Rupp spoke for the first time publicly this week about the circumstances leading up to her son's death at a Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC) meeting. Bo Rupp, then 15 and a sophomore at Westfield High School, made headlines back in September when he apparently ran in and out of traffic near his Virginia Run home on Pleasant Valley Road in Centreville, then sat down in the middle of the roadway and was struck by a neighbor's car. He died the next day.

Karla Rupp said that Bo brought his backpack to the concert that night. Nothing to be alarmed about inside, she thought, just some iced tea bottles.

What she didn't know was that inside the bottles was Four Loko, a caffeinated alcoholic drink. A few days before the concert, a store had sold it to her son and, she said, knowing he was underage, even brought the cans out to the car in a bag.

Four Loko and other spiked energy drinks were banned late last year after the Food and Drug Administration expressed concern over the effects. With 12 percent alcohol—equivalent to an entire bottle of wine—and enough caffeine to equal four cups of coffee, Four Loko earned a destructive reputation. The brand is still around, but without the caffeine now. Teens sometimes down these types of drinks in a few minutes in order to get drunk quickly; what's particularly scary for parents is that there is no strong odor like with other alcoholic drinks. In fact, people intoxicated from the beverage often have a false sense of sobriety.

Rupp, like many other parents, had no idea that a product like that even existed. But the ban came too late for Bo Rupp.

The staff at the concert quickly saw that Bo was drunk and called his parents. Just one hour after Karla Rupp dropped her son off, she had to come and pick him up again. Once she got home, she left Bo in the car for a few minutes, while she went inside the house to get her husband Johnny.

But when the two came back to the garage, Bo was gone. Frantic, they started searching. Karla called Bo while Johnny drove down Pleasant Valley Road. Unable to find him, Johnny drove back to the house.

"As Johnny put his hand on the front door, he heard the first sirens. He just knew," Rupp said. "He came in the house to tell me he thought something was up. But he made his first phone call to Bo."

Rupp then played Bo's voicemail message, as a hushed audience listened. In the background, sirens rang out clearly over his words.

"We drove toward the sirens, to the rec center, where my husband had come from minutes before, to find out our nightmare had come true. It can happen to you," Rupp told the audience. "It happened to us. We thought we had done everything right."

It was a message that resonated with the audience. While on most months there are not usually more then a dozen people attending the CAC meetings, nearly 40 people—many of them nervous parents—packed inside a meeting room at the Sully District Station. What hit hard for some parents was the fact that the Rupp family had appeared to do everything right. Bo Rupp was a well-liked kid, and his parents were vigilant.

"Growing up, our kids did not have computers in their room. They didn't have TVs in their room. The cell phones came later, but we were pretty strict about it. We knew his friends, we knew his activities. We knew their parents. I drove him to and from the concert, because I didn't want him driving with other kids. Because something might happen," Rupp said.

But after Rupp's speech, Sgt. Bill Fulton, a school resource supervisor, and MPO Lou Munoz, the school resource officer at Westfield High School, said that once a teen has his or her mind made up to try alcohol, there's not much that will stand in the way. Fulton declined to say if the store that sold alcohol to Bo Rupp would be prosecuted, saying only, "it's being taken care of."

Fulton and Munoz told the audience that they should monitor their teen's movements. If they carry water bottles, check to make sure it's actually water inside and not vodka. Watch for changes in behavior or friends. Check their email and social networking sites. Don't forget that the car, as much as a teen might protest otherwise, usually belongs to the parents. Parents should look in those cars to see if anything's inside, because teens are usually sloppy, Munoz said. He's seen many cars where kids just leave the beer cans or traces of marijuana inside.

"When I was a teenager, kids drank beer. You could smell it a mile away. The kids now, their methods are to put vodka in water bottles," Munoz said. "With Four Loko, you can't smell it. So when they come home at the end of the night, as long as they're kinda holding it together a little bit, you're not going to be able to notice it...So that's pretty scary."

Teens will do just about anything to get drunk or high once they put their minds to it, Fulton said. Even bath salts, since they're easy to get ahold of, are becoming a popular way to get high. He said that a lot of times, parents think they're monitoring situations, such as parties, but kids are sneaking around the back entrances with alcohol.

Karla Rupp now hopes that she can raise awareness among teens who might not fully understand what they're getting into by getting drunk or high. Thanks to a major donor, she'll soon be able to distribute wristbands at Westfield and other schools in the area printed with the simple message: "Think Twice."

"Now that our dream of raising our beautiful boy is over, I have a new dream. To make a difference in the lives of children and teens…for them to understand that one bad decision can cost them their lives," Rupp said. "I believe that by sharing our story, we may be able to make a difference."

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 01, 2011 01:36PM

@Johnny - buddies yeah, I could understand that one. But I think the parents would have known who exactly it was by now, as that would be more an intimate issue, not a lawsuit issue, y'know? I mean, I wouldnt be suing the kid for hooking up his buddies (I'd be more likely to be putting my foot up his ass LoLz). I dont think that was the scenario this time around.

@ newshound: I LOVE THE QUOTE "Bo Rupp was a well-liked kid, and his parents were vigilant." after I have heard the mother herself on National TV say she wished her kid had just drank a "more traditional" drink and just woke up with a hangover - not too VIGILANT, I'd say......................

and it's bullshit that he drank all that Four Loko in an hour. Kid would have been paralyzed-drunk if he was a newbie at drinking, that is. Hell, ain't nobody on this thread can do that shit - four cans of Loko in an hour? You're gonna either be praying to a Porcelain God most of the night, or you're a Class A Heavyweight at Liquor.

So I REALLY question what sorta family this is, or this lawsuit in general - if their 15 yr old kid can handle his liquor better than me. Cause usually, if I'm wasted, running around (hell, even moving) is kinda the last thing I want to do...............

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Yabels ()
Date: June 01, 2011 01:38PM

It is ridiculous to say that "kids now" are the first generation to put vodka in water bottles or to hide the alcohol on their breath. Ever heard of Ice 101? The drink is a million times stronger than Four Loko and your breath smells like Wintergreen.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: News Hound ()
Date: June 01, 2011 01:38PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Johnny - buddies yeah, I could understand that
> one. But I think the parents would have known who
> exactly it was by now, as that would be more an
> intimate issue, not a lawsuit issue, y'know? I
> mean, I wouldnt be suing the kid for hooking up
> his buddies (I'd be more likely to be putting my
> foot up his ass LoLz). I dont think that was the
> scenario this time around.
>
> @ newshound: I LOVE THE QUOTE "Bo Rupp was a
> well-liked kid, and his parents were vigilant."
> after I have heard the mother herself on National
> TV say she wished her kid had just drank a "more
> traditional" drink and just woke up with a
> hangover - not too VIGILANT, I'd
> say......................
>
> and it's bullshit that he drank all that Four Loko
> in an hour. Kid would have been paralyzed-drunk
> if he was a newbie at drinking, that is. Hell,
> ain't nobody on this thread can do that shit -
> four cans of Loko in an hour? You're gonna either
> be praying to a Porcelain God most of the night,
> or you're a Class A Heavyweight at Liquor.
>
> So I REALLY question what sorta family this is, or
> this lawsuit in general - if their 15 yr old kid
> can handle his liquor better than me. Cause
> usually, if I'm wasted, running around (hell, even
> moving) is kinda the last thing I want to
> do...............

+1 I completely agree. Another dysfunctional household.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Funny_Guy ()
Date: June 01, 2011 02:43PM

It's always Centreville, every single time. lol

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: June 01, 2011 03:30PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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>
> So I REALLY question what sorta family this is, or
> this lawsuit in general - if their 15 yr old kid
> can handle his liquor better than me. Cause
> usually, if I'm wasted, running around (hell, even
> moving) is kinda the last thing I want to
> do...............

From what I have seen of high school Lacrosse, drinking seems to be part of the culture. I just wonder how many parents in NoVA have looked the other way in order for their little Johnnies to become "accepted."

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Perplexed ()
Date: June 01, 2011 04:40PM

The Rupps and the attorney's are probably going to have the friends that were at the concert and that purchased the Four Loko with Bo testify at the trial that they witnessed Bo purchase the Four Loko, witness the clerk carry it out to the car, witness Bo put it in the Arizona Ice Tea Bottles, and watch him drink it along with the Vodka he drank.

Now that will be a 15 year old saying that all this happened and admitting that they were drinking also. However, how do you prove it when there is no evidence of where it was purchased or what he even drank in the first place?

Does this really fly in the courts today?

I am sure the ride home from the concert was brutal and that is why he ran off across the neighborhood.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: June 01, 2011 04:45PM

I think the burden of proof is a bit different when it comes to a civil trial as opposed to a criminal one.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Oh boy ()
Date: June 01, 2011 04:56PM

Does not seem fair to the defense or the cleark of the store as it appears that you could pick out any store and say it was purchased there.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 01, 2011 05:31PM

@Johnny - burden of proof may be different, but it's still going to require proof. And I've yet to "see" any, just heresay.

@Oh boy - that's why we call this type of lawsuit frivolous.

@everybody:

The complaint asks for monetary damages for medical bills and funeral expenses from Bo’s death, as well as for “the loss of the valuable services of their son, and have been deprived of the support, affection, society, companionship, and consortium” that Bo would’ve provided.

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/family-sues-manassas-gas-station-after-sons-death

seriously? what sorta bullshit is that? They are putting a PRICETAG on their son!!!! on their DEAD SON!!! Man, that's just sad.

As for Four Loko targeting teens - that's just complete bullshit. Their target market are ghetto trash, rednecks and wiggers, same as EVERY malt liquor ever made. Any idiot knows this.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Malt liquor ()
Date: June 01, 2011 06:01PM

What makes it a malt?

I know how to google but I like what op have to say on the matter.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: radarroy ()
Date: June 01, 2011 10:57PM

That fucking bitch I HOPE SHE DIES!! I FUCKING HOPE SHE GETS KILLED! That gas station has the best prices around the area i hope they dont go up because of this dumb bitch.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 01, 2011 11:02PM

calm down, radarroy - dont be a dickface cause of her.
and I doubt Raceway is gonna go under just cause of some bullshit lawsuit.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: radarroy ()
Date: June 01, 2011 11:07PM

I spoke to my attorney and he pretty much confirmed that.

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Posted by: Nextdoorneighbor ()
Date: June 02, 2011 11:59AM

Just cause he couldnt handle his Liquor doesnt mean you have to ruin the fun for the rest of us...

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Re: Rupp family suing four loko
Date: June 02, 2011 12:08PM

200 - dear lord

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