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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: ProVallone ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:31PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Bruce Leshan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm from Channel 9 News. We're working on a
> story
> > on this for tonight's news. If anyone is
> willing
> > to talk, please call me at 202.487.5696 or
> email
> > me at bleshan@wusa9.com. Thanks!
>
>
> Further proof Fairfax Underground drives the news
> cycle.
>
> Bruce, did you see the piece about Jim Morrison's
> ghost in Arlington? You may want to jump on that
> one as well.

He should tackle the Lamb Center thread before anything. Barbi and The Toothless Pimp need to be exposed to the public.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Ut videam ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:32PM

What does the (WG) after several of the items denote?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Date: May 13, 2011 12:36PM

means it contains a whole grain ingredient.

http://www.fcps.edu/fs/food/food_at_school/menus/HS-May-11.pdf

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:40PM

Ronskies,

I was not comparing the two crimes, I was making a point that not knowing the consequences is not an excuse and that you can not expect to be warned about said consequences. If you like, say a kid stole something from the cafeteria, there is not going to be an adult there to tell them stealing is wrong and you could get in trouble if you get caught.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: marcusvick ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:43PM

all the seniors should just say they held the food fight as a protest to how shitty that school is and how badly it needs to be renovated then claim freedom of speech fcps cant fuck with the 1st

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Lancers know better ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:45PM

If only West Springfield had the leadership that Lee is blessed with.

When Lee had a food fight a month or so ago, this is how Principal Jeffers handled matters:

1. He and other administrators blocked the doors so that no students were allowed to exit the cafeteria while objects were being launched.

2. He issued a statement to parents after the fight stating how dangerous the situation was and the numerous injuries. Makes you wonder about point #1.

3. He instructed all students in the future to REMAIN IN THEIR SEATS during future food fights.

Geez, what is up with the WSHS principal-did he not receive a copy of FCPS Policy 226.11-7 that explicitly speaks to procedures during food fights.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Ronskies ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:48PM

BB*X Wrote:
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> Ronskies,
>
> I was not comparing the two crimes, I was making a
> point that not knowing the consequences is not an
> excuse and that you can not expect to be warned
> about said consequences. If you like, say a kid
> stole something from the cafeteria, there is not
> going to be an adult there to tell them stealing
> is wrong and you could get in trouble if you get
> caught.



a foodfight is not a crime it is a foodfight i dont care what bullshit laws they say they broke having our tax dollars wasted on dumbass kids throwing food is a waste of everyones time and money. make them clean it up and have slient lunches until the school year ends. fcps needs to quit trying to nail kids for every possible thing they are supposed to be helping these kids not fucking them over before their lives even start

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:51PM

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Brown Eye Blind Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What was on the menu that day? Hopefully
> something
> > that could be molded easily like sloppy joes.
>
>
> Soft Taco on Flatbread (WG)
> w/Shredded Cheese
> Baked Chicken Fillet on Bun (WG)
> Hummus Biteable (WG)
> Peanut Butter & Jelly Sandwich (2) (WG)
> Yogurt Biteable (WG)
> CHOICE OF TWO
> Baked Smiley Potatoes
> Refried Beans
> Lettuce, Tomato
> Pineapple w/Cherry Garnish
> Fresh Apple
>
> Chicken patties that become missiles and taco
> meat. Excellent combo!


This is why I love FFU; Questions the MSM just don't ask, and answers they just don't provide.

Bruce, I hope you work in this tidbit into your piece.

And Bruce, did you see the thread about the waitress at Noodle & CO? Should you be on that one as well?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:53PM

marcusvick Wrote:
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> all the seniors should just say they held the food
> fight as a protest to how shitty that school is
> and how badly it needs to be renovated then claim
> freedom of speech fcps cant fuck with the 1st


Ah, high school idealism.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:54PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> And Bruce, did you see the thread about the
> waitress at Noodle & CO? Should you be on that
> one as well?


I still want pics.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: WTOP ()
Date: May 13, 2011 01:32PM

Police investigating massive food fight at Springfield school
Thursday - 5/12/2011, 6:32pm ET

SPRINGFIELD, Va. - All senior activities were suspended at West Springfield High School Thursday afternoon, following a massive food fight.

The Burke Patch is reporting that Principal Paul A. Wardinski sent a letter to parents and guardians of the high school at 3:47 p.m.

The letter notes that a "major disturbance was initiated in our school's cafeteria."

A group of senior students apparently started a food fight that escalated. At the same time, someone also pulled a fire alarm.

The incident resulted in a few minor injuries.

The letter reads, "At this time, ALL senior activities including the senior picnic, senior trip to Hershey Park and the Senior Prom are on hold until we complete our investigation of the incidents today."

Fairfax County Police are investigating and the responsible students could face criminal charges.

Follow WTOP on Twitter.

(Copyright 2011 by WTOP. All Rights Reserved.)

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: just went national ()
Date: May 13, 2011 02:52PM

I just saw the WTOP headline/link on Matt Drudge.

One again, FCPS is made the fool to the nation.

Jack Dale is a disaster.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:10PM

just went national Wrote:
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> Jack Dale is a disaster.

How is this Jack Dale's fault?

Dumbass kids don't realize that, if they engaged in a massive food fight at a restaurant as an adult, the police would be called in and people would be arrested.

"Boo hoo, we did something we'd get arrested for if we did it anywhere other than school and they cancelled our senior picnic."

I bet the next senior class will think long and hard before starting a food fight.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: LouScunt ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:22PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> just went national Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jack Dale is a disaster.
>
> How is this Jack Dale's fault?
>
> Dumbass kids don't realize that, if they engaged
> in a massive food fight at a restaurant as an
> adult, the police would be called in and people
> would be arrested.
>
> "Boo hoo, we did something we'd get arrested for
> if we did it anywhere other than school and they
> cancelled our senior picnic."
>
> I bet the next senior class will think long and
> hard before starting a food fight.


haha this guy got bullied through school

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:23PM

LouScunt Wrote:
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> haha this guy got bullied through school

Maybe. But at least I got to go to the senior picnic, the senior trip to Hershey Park and the Senior Prom.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: LouScunt ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:25PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> LouScunt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > haha this guy got bullied through school
>
> Maybe. But at least I got to go to the senior
> picnic, the senior trip to Hershey Park and the
> Senior Prom.


dateless to all 3, i went to prom and all that at the time it was badass id be pissed if i couldnt go

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Lt Hondo Harris ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:26PM

Green Light Green Light Green Light!!!!
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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Brown Eye Blind ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:27PM

Was your date a big girl? I am guessing so...

LouScunt Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > LouScunt Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > haha this guy got bullied through school
> >
> > Maybe. But at least I got to go to the senior
> > picnic, the senior trip to Hershey Park and the
> > Senior Prom.
>
>
> dateless to all 3, i went to prom and all that at
> the time it was badass id be pissed if i couldnt
> go

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: marcusvick ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:27PM

i wanna know what "minor injuries" there were

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Zack Morris ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:34PM

I would like to know if it was in fact the principal who pullled a fire alarm, maybe Bruce Lashan can determine that. If that is true it should be admitted if not then the kid who pulled it should be investigated.

My guess is that the admin staff will get a couple of dented trays to point out as evidence of a major disturbance when they were that way before the food fight.
Then some money hungry parent will drag their nerdy kid out to say he/she was injured and they will be suing the school system.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: LouScunt ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:34PM

Brown Eye Blind Wrote:
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> Was your date a big girl? I am guessing so...
>
> LouScunt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > LouScunt Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > haha this guy got bullied through school
> > >
> > > Maybe. But at least I got to go to the
> senior
> > > picnic, the senior trip to Hershey Park and
> the
> > > Senior Prom.
> >
> >
> > dateless to all 3, i went to prom and all that
> at
> > the time it was badass id be pissed if i
> couldnt
> > go



yeah 50x bigger then any of you or mephistos imaginary ones haha

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: lol omg ()
Date: May 13, 2011 03:36PM

anonymous inkadouche post.

LouScunt Wrote:
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> Brown Eye Blind Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Was your date a big girl? I am guessing so...
> >
> > LouScunt Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > MrMephisto Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > LouScunt Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > haha this guy got bullied through school
> > > >
> > > > Maybe. But at least I got to go to the
> > senior
> > > > picnic, the senior trip to Hershey Park and
> > the
> > > > Senior Prom.
> > >
> > >
> > > dateless to all 3, i went to prom and all
> that
> > at
> > > the time it was badass id be pissed if i
> > couldnt
> > > go
>
>
>
> yeah 50x bigger then any of you or mephistos
> imaginary ones haha

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: tgbwc ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:03PM

marcusvick Wrote:
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> all the seniors should just say they held the food
> fight as a protest to how shitty that school is
> and how badly it needs to be renovated then claim
> freedom of speech fcps cant fuck with the 1st

The school administration have broad powers to censor school-supported student expression. The 1st Amendment is not looked at the same way when it comes to students in a school, especially if the speech is infringing upon the rights of others or it becomes disruptive to their learning. There was a Supreme Court decision when I was in high school journalism in '88 that upheld the removal of some articles from a newspaper due to the topic of the articles.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: lisa ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:05PM

Wow, I am so glad we are talking about food fights instead of gun fights.We are talking about of students. How can we expect students to act appropriately, When Dr. Smith can not act appropriately. I have no vested interest but I'm more embarrassed by the administration. Make them clean it up and move onnnn......

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: someone ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:26PM

Couple things...

a. AP exams...there was one yesterday in the morning (AP World); kids were all done before C-lunch. There's no cancelling of any tests.

b. Senior activities have been put on hold NOT cancelled. It would be prudent to read what was said and not imply what it means.

c. It was premeditated, that said it's not like the random food fight you had in high school. Don't call your situation the same as this one because they aren't.

1. Simple explanation planning and carrying out a murder is different than accidently running over someone...it's still murder but the individuals will face different charges.

d. And most of the facts are pretty accurate here but put yourself as an admin. and honestly explain how you would deal with this incident in a way that appeases the student/faculty/parent/community?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Runor Mill ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:27PM

Just heard that the kid who started it is on the baseball team and throws a 95MPH apple,uh, baseball. CAn anyone confirm?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: FOOD FIGHT!!! ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:27PM

Things got a little out of hand...
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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Shocked by Wardinski's overreaction ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:47PM

I heard some kid got hit in the head with a chair. I guess someone thought it was food?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: cb ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:53PM

Dr. Smith left west springfield 4 years ago...I love people who fact check

lisa Wrote:
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> Wow, I am so glad we are talking about food fights
> instead of gun fights.We are talking about of
> students. How can we expect students to act
> appropriately, When Dr. Smith can not act
> appropriately. I have no vested interest but I'm
> more embarrassed by the administration. Make them
> clean it up and move onnnn......

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: May 13, 2011 04:55PM

"And most of the facts are pretty accurate here but put yourself as an admin. and honestly explain how you would deal with this incident in a way that appeases the student/faculty/parent/community?"

Number one unless there was some criminal intent to harm someone I would not call the police. The fire alarm is a different issue but if the principal pulled it as some allege then it is a moot point.

After the food fight I would get on the PA and request students go to the cafeteria for clean up duty. Of course I am not making it mandatory but a suggestion that will help smooth out the incident and not blow it out of proportion. If the principal has the respect of the students he will get plenty of volunteers. If he does not he might want to ask himself why not?

I know someone needs to be held responsible but dont make a huge case out of this. I dont want to Monday morning quarterback but from what is known this was a food fight, no more no less. The calling of the police should be a last resort.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Shadow ()
Date: May 13, 2011 05:06PM

someone else Wrote:
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> "And most of the facts are pretty accurate here
> but put yourself as an admin. and honestly explain
> how you would deal with this incident in a way
> that appeases the
> student/faculty/parent/community?"
>
> Number one unless there was some criminal intent
> to harm someone I would not call the police. The
> fire alarm is a different issue but if the
> principal pulled it as some allege then it is a
> moot point.
>
> After the food fight I would get on the PA and
> request students go to the cafeteria for clean up
> duty. Of course I am not making it mandatory but a
> suggestion that will help smooth out the incident
> and not blow it out of proportion. If the
> principal has the respect of the students he will
> get plenty of volunteers. If he does not he might
> want to ask himself why not?
>
> I know someone needs to be held responsible but
> dont make a huge case out of this. I dont want to
> Monday morning quarterback but from what is known
> this was a food fight, no more no less. The
> calling of the police should be a last resort.


You must be new to FCPS. The cops are called ALL the time at these schools.

I'm just curious how many student's lives are going to be ruined by this one.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: highschoolers ()
Date: May 13, 2011 05:16PM

Is this cause only elementary had field trips before the SOLs and not high school students? No trips 2 months before SOLs. Outrageous.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Kids will be kids ()
Date: May 13, 2011 05:45PM

They need to release stress.

If only they would indulge in pot and sex while their parents are at work. That is what we did in the 90's.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: May 13, 2011 05:58PM

I will admit it has been a few years but it just seems to be a big deal about a food fight. Maybe I am wrong and the principal is obligated to call the police for just about everything.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: logicaldog ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:21PM

Apparently it was the assistant principal who pulled the false alarm.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Ut videam ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:27PM

logicaldog Wrote:
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> Apparently it was the assistant principal who
> pulled the false alarm.

Has he been arrested for this crime yet? Zero fucking tolerance, I say!

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Crazy scene ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:29PM

Who is running the show at that school. Barney Fife?

Holy crap. What a cluster fuck.

What happens when a real problem shows up?

The principal and staff are in need of an intervention. Not the kids. They are kids.

I would be afraid to send my child to that school and not because of a food fight either.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:31PM

This is from the email the principal put out about the incident taken from the Burke Patch website :

Dear Parents/Guardians,

Shortly after 1:00 pm today, a major disturbance was initiated in our school’s cafeteria. A significant food fight was started by a group of senior students which escalated into involving groups of students from all grade levels in the cafeteria during C lunch. There were a few minor injuries resulting from this incident. Simultaneously, someone pulled a fire alarm disrupting our educational process for a period of time this afternoon.

At this time, ALL senior activities including the senior picnic, senior trip to Hershey Park and the Senior Prom are on hold until we complete our investigation of the incidents today. All students involved are facing consequences from the school and some may also face criminal charges from Fairfax County Police. School Resource Officer Plazio is leading our investigation in this matter. This is a very serious matter and senior pranks will not be tolerated in our building.

The West Springfield High School Administration is committed to providing a safe environment for all students and staff. Please have a conversation with your children tonight about their role in maintaining a safe environment at school. We are thankful that the majority of the students did not participate in this incident. Again, our number one priority is the safety and security of the students and staff while they are at school.

If you have any questions, please contact your student’s grade level administrator or me at (703) 913-3800.

Sincerely,

Paul A. Wardinski
Principal


He states "someone" pulled the fire alarm. If it was an assistant principal or someone on his staff he should just say so. I cant believe he would be deceptive but I dont know.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: spartan mom ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:35PM

Punish the ones who did it...not all the seniors were there.
What about the underclassman involved...no punishment for them?
Time to get rid of Wardinski and take the worthles AD Muir with him.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: overreaction? ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:47PM

How is it an overreaction to POSTPONE activities until a full investigation can be made. NOTHING has been CANCELED. I blame the news for running the headlines irresponsibly stating this.

For those who think this was a harmless prank. Next time you are on your work lunch break I hope someone throws a cream pie in your face and laughs, "hey I was only kidding!" I'm sure you wouldn't dare overreact to that.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Rety ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:51PM

The administrators and their overreaction is a laughable farce. Wardinski with his foolishly stupid and melodramatic announcement that this was a very dangerous episode. Lol. I wonder how Seal Team Six would rate the danger. All this over a food fight, t a bunch pussies.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: May 13, 2011 06:53PM

I didnt read where anyone said it was a "harmless prank". A food fight, it is what it is in my opinion.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: wshs student ()
Date: May 13, 2011 08:32PM

four points to discuss:
1. this was not a senior prank. only a group of seniors planned this and most of the other students ran out of the cafeteria once it started.
2. the administrators were already planning a fire drill for the the day after (today) anyway. everyone is saying that an administrator pulled the alarm. honestly, how are you going to stop a food fight? YOU CAN'T. an administrator probably pulled the fire alarm to calm everyone the F down and have everyone evacuate the building.
3. the special ed kids were not harmed. they were scared but they were not harmed.
4. the administrators were all standing there before anything even happened, and some custodians even took away food before students could finish their lunch. NOTHING COULD HAVE BEEN DONE. the seniors don't care. today, there was a water balloon fight threat. the seniors were going to put water balloons in trashcans and when we had a fire drill, they would have thrown them at underclassmen.


taking away senior prom/activities is stupid and just plain dumb.

PS. FREE MORGAN jk he's an ugly douche.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 13, 2011 08:48PM

is it truly cancelled?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2011 08:49PM by Gordon Blvd.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: SRO ()
Date: May 13, 2011 08:51PM

someone else Wrote:
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> "And most of the facts are pretty accurate here
> but put yourself as an admin. and honestly explain
> how you would deal with this incident in a way
> that appeases the
> student/faculty/parent/community?"
>
> Number one unless there was some criminal intent
> to harm someone I would not call the police. The
> fire alarm is a different issue but if the
> principal pulled it as some allege then it is a
> moot point.
>
> After the food fight I would get on the PA and
> request students go to the cafeteria for clean up
> duty. Of course I am not making it mandatory but a
> suggestion that will help smooth out the incident
> and not blow it out of proportion. If the
> principal has the respect of the students he will
> get plenty of volunteers. If he does not he might
> want to ask himself why not?
>
> I know someone needs to be held responsible but
> dont make a huge case out of this. I dont want to
> Monday morning quarterback but from what is known
> this was a food fight, no more no less. The
> calling of the police should be a last resort.


Just to clarify here, the only police presence at West Springfield High School following the food fight was the school resource officer, whose role, in part, is to handle issues such this. I'm pretty sure that no additional Fairfax County officers were called in. The SROs are employed by the Fairfax County Police Department, have the same authority as any other police officer, and are placed within schools to assist with maintaining a safe and secure school environment. An administration that has an SRO on site would be foolish NOT to call him or her in on a situation such as this.

You say you don't want to Monday morning quarterback, so why are you? "A food fight, no more, no less" -- I wasn't there either, but based on first-hand accounts from an eyewitness, my impression is that this was much more than your ordinary food fight. But good luck getting students to go on the record with the facts, when so many parents are telling their kids to keep quiet.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Swetu ()
Date: May 13, 2011 08:57PM

Thank goodness the parents are counseling the kids to shut up. The SRO's, and the administration, routinely lie, exaggerate, distort, deceive, falsify, bully, coerce, and intimidate these kids. Tell 'em all to say nothing. Absolutely nothing. This is now the level of distrust the Dale administration has created.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 13, 2011 08:58PM

does anybody know how many injuries and how "severe" they were?

cause that's the part of it that is effed up IMHO - that ppl care more about the prom aspect of this than the fact kids were actually injured in a school incident

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Cater ()
Date: May 13, 2011 09:00PM

Oh for chrissakes, no one was injured. That's the bullshit melodrama coming from the administration so they can send these kids of too guantanamo with al quad.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 13, 2011 10:55PM

someone else Wrote:
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> I know someone needs to be held responsible but
> dont make a huge case out of this. I dont want to
> Monday morning quarterback but from what is known
> this was a food fight, no more no less. The
> calling of the police should be a last resort.


If they don't want this to become a regular event every year, they should make a big deal out of it.

Prom won't be cancelled, I guarantee you. Relax everybody.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: WTF? ()
Date: May 13, 2011 10:55PM

How can people say that we (the students) were supposed to do something about the food fight? What do they propose we do about it? They had at least 7 administrators in the cafeteria that day...EVERYONE KNEW what was going to happen and not one administrator did anything to stop it from happening...

The announcements we have been having the last two days about how "ashamed" or "disappointed" the faculty is in us the students for being directly responsible for what happened...is a completely BS attempt at the admins trying to cover their own asses about what went on.

Sincerely,
Annoyed Student

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: May 13, 2011 11:29PM

"You say you don't want to Monday morning quarterback, so why are you? "A food fight, no more, no less" -- I wasn't there either, but based on first-hand accounts from an eyewitness, my impression is that this was much more than your ordinary food fight. But good luck getting students to go on the record with the facts, when so many parents are telling their kids to keep quiet."

Sorry but I havent read or heard anything to change my mind that this was more than a food fight, I havent even heard of the so called injuries.

I dont blame the parents from what I have seen at the school system with the stupid zero tolerance in place which removes common sense from the equation. If the school system is going to treat every incident as a major crime then maybe the kids should keep their mouths shut.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: speak up ()
Date: May 13, 2011 11:32PM

Swetu Wrote:
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> Thank goodness the parents are counseling the kids
> to shut up. The SRO's, and the administration,
> routinely lie, exaggerate, distort, deceive,
> falsify, bully, coerce, and intimidate these kids.
> Tell 'em all to say nothing. Absolutely nothing.
> This is now the level of distrust the Dale
> administration has created.


And it's that same rotten administration that parents expect to put in unpaid overtime supervising the prom they so desperately want for their kids? The same rotten administration parents expect to return to school in the evenings in order for sports events, drama productions, and all other extracurriculars to take place? The level of ignorance on this thread is staggering! And the level of anger toward the administration is outrageous. Aside from a few bad apples, which exist in any profession, by and large educators are passionate about education, even more passionate about kids, and routinely make personal sacrifices for the benefit of their students.

Here's the deal: You are going to tell the kids not to admit guilt and not to "snitch" AND at the same time ask the administrators to punish only the kids involved? Do you actually think it's possible for a handful of administrators to know exactly what individual part hundreds of kids played? Of course not! Parents should be teaching their kids who were involved to accept responsibility for their actions and deal with the consequences. They should be telling their kids who weren't involved to talk to administrators and ID those who were. Otherwise, yes, the whole class should be punished. These kids know who did it, but they aren't cooperating. Speak up or be punished. You don't get to withhold information and then cry foul. And to all those good kids and good parents afraid of losing Prom, turn your anger from the administration toward the group of students who put it in jeopardy in the first place.

Last, picture this: You're gang-raped in a parking lot with 20 bystanders, none of whom is willing to give a statement to police or identify the perpetrators. Better yet, imagine it's your 15-year-old daughter in that parking lot. Now how are you feeling about your 'never talk to authorities' philosophy? Kids need to be taught and SHOWN to do the right thing, whether it's a little problem or a big one.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Swetu ()
Date: May 13, 2011 11:53PM

I repeat, thank goodness the parents are counseling their children to remain silent. The lying, cheating, dishonest, bullying brownshirt FCPS administrators have been coercing the children and violating the law for far too long. And not only should they remain completely silent, they should instantly report any and all due process violations by the school staff to legal council. Litigate if necessary. The FCPS administration is now reaping the sour rewards of their oast violent and lawless behavior. Don't tell these Nazis a phukking thing.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: May 14, 2011 12:45AM

speak up Wrote:
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> Swetu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thank goodness the parents are counseling the
> kids
> > to shut up. The SRO's, and the administration,
> > routinely lie, exaggerate, distort, deceive,
> > falsify, bully, coerce, and intimidate these
> kids.
> > Tell 'em all to say nothing. Absolutely
> nothing.
> > This is now the level of distrust the Dale
> > administration has created.
>
>
> And it's that same rotten administration that
> parents expect to put in unpaid overtime
> supervising the prom they so desperately want for
> their kids? The same rotten administration parents
> expect to return to school in the evenings in
> order for sports events, drama productions, and
> all other extracurriculars to take place? The
> level of ignorance on this thread is staggering!
> And the level of anger toward the administration
> is outrageous. Aside from a few bad apples, which
> exist in any profession, by and large educators
> are passionate about education, even more
> passionate about kids, and routinely make personal
> sacrifices for the benefit of their students.
>
> Here's the deal: You are going to tell the kids
> not to admit guilt and not to "snitch" AND at the
> same time ask the administrators to punish only
> the kids involved? Do you actually think it's
> possible for a handful of administrators to know
> exactly what individual part hundreds of kids
> played? Of course not! Parents should be teaching
> their kids who were involved to accept
> responsibility for their actions and deal with the
> consequences. They should be telling their kids
> who weren't involved to talk to administrators and
> ID those who were. Otherwise, yes, the whole class
> should be punished. These kids know who did it,
> but they aren't cooperating. Speak up or be
> punished. You don't get to withhold information
> and then cry foul. And to all those good kids and
> good parents afraid of losing Prom, turn your
> anger from the administration toward the group of
> students who put it in jeopardy in the first
> place.
>
> Last, picture this: You're gang-raped in a parking
> lot with 20 bystanders, none of whom is willing to
> give a statement to police or identify the
> perpetrators. Better yet, imagine it's your
> 15-year-old daughter in that parking lot. Now how
> are you feeling about your 'never talk to
> authorities' philosophy? Kids need to be taught
> and SHOWN to do the right thing, whether it's a
> little problem or a big one.


Good to know that Barbara Hunter/Stu Gibson has finally made an appearance.

Good try - move on

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: May 14, 2011 06:40AM

Speak up, are you really comparing a gang rape to a food fight? I see the point of the parents who are concerned that if their kids make a statement they could go from witness to accesory.

For example the kid says yeah I heard there was going to be a food fight then the admin turns the statement around to accuse the kid of not notifying them of the possible disturbance.

If you want to place some blame do it on the stupid zero tolerance policy that the schools have. It takes away any common sense to address issues on a case by case basis.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: logicaldog ()
Date: May 14, 2011 06:48AM

Heres the problem-ignorance and parents who are not willing to stand up for their children. Do you have some kind of residual fear and arbitrary respect for authority figures so that you can let yourself off the hook for not getting involved? Parents make it possible and enable bad administrations by giving up their power. This is ridiculous, a huge overreaction and yet parents just continue to endorse the LACK of excellence in education in FCPS. To threaten students who were standing there is abusive and should not be tolerated. The problem is zero tolerance which dictates that anyone who is targeted by the administration will "suffer consequences:. If adults were treated like this it would be called jail. Why should anyone give up their constitutional rights because they are a student. The assistant principal pulled the fire alarm, apparently everyone saw this. Why isn't this circulating in the media? Can you say censorship. Parents allow this to happen because they don't want to get involved and stand up for their students which would take time and you would have to grow "a set". When we all went to school this was the norm, everyone has participated in a food fight. Everything is not "very serious" and having "huge consequences". The custodians are not the consumers in this system-schools exist for students NOT custodians and administrators who value custodians more than students or parents. I don't have a student who is a senior but if I did I would be protesting at that school today to demand that there be senior activities and a prom.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: May 14, 2011 07:01AM

LOL at equating gang rape with a food fight. Jesus Christ.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Morty ()
Date: May 14, 2011 07:27AM

Thank you! I am an educator in FCPs and I love my job, love my students but I can't tell you how many times I am floored by their sense of entitlement, lack of ethics, and lack of respect. This year I have had students destroy classroom decorations, leave their trash wherever they've sat, cheat, harass, you name it, they done it. I call them on it every time and for the most part, whatever transgression ends there. But every so often, kids will bristle about picking up trash that missed the wastebasket or about not talking during each others presentations or while I'm giving instruction. Really? You can't handle the basics of social interaction?
And as a parent of FCPS students, I would certainly tell them that a food fight is a big deal; it smacks of profound selfishness. It is food. Food is a resource to which millions of people (in this country) do not have proper access. To callously waste it for "fun" and expect someone else to clean it up speaks to a more profoundly disturbing problem within our society. In this case, the fight quickly escalated, chairs were thrown (at least one student was injured by the flying chairs, baguettes not so much) and the fire alarm was pulled BY THE STUDENTS. The administration needs to make it clear that the behavior is unacceptable. If you can't or won't control yourself, you leave yourself open for others to do it for you.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Get a grip ()
Date: May 14, 2011 07:32AM

Yes, let's all go out and protest! MY CHILD SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO HERSHEY PARK!!! The public needs to see who the douchebags are.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: noonelikes aRATlike you ()
Date: May 14, 2011 08:03AM

reality dose Wrote:
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> Military parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why punish all senoirs for the food fight. My
> son
> > eats out doors with his lunch. How many
> senoirs
> > fit inside the lunch room? How many seniors do
> > you have in the school? Not all senoirs did
> > this!!
> >
> > The ones who were involved in the food fight,
> > should get punished. Not all the seniors who
> were
> > not in the school at that time.
> >
> > Taking Prom away is a Knee jerk reaction to
> this
> > problem.
> >
> > Have the crime fit the punishment.
> >
> > I thought this was a smart school system?
> >
> > Pretty stupid how they reacted to this prombem.
> >
> > My son just had 3 AP test (4 hrs. long) and was
> > looking forward to prom.
> >
> > Do not punish the seniors who had nothing to do
> > with this event.
> >
> > Angry parent!!
>
>
> Your son knew about it and did nothing to stop it.
> Those who knew are just as guilty and should be
> ashamed of themselves.
>
> These students don't deserve a prom, with actions
> like this comes consequences. There's no denying
> this was organized by the seniors no matter who
> else participated. That shit don't fly in FCPS
> and you know it. Shame on you for being an
> enabler, shame on you.

I would rather my kid missed prom than be a RAT. I bet your little angle would run to the Principal's office if he found out someone was wearing colored socks in gym or chewing gum on the playground.

Keep an even keel here - a little punishment is appropriate but this should stay in house and not go on any record(s). If it goes that far it will be time to protect the kids and complain loudly. Otherwise this is a very normal part of growing up.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: May 14, 2011 08:57AM

Morty Wrote:
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> Thank you! I am an educator in FCPs and I love my job, love my students but I can't tell you how many times I am floored by their sense of entitlement, lack of ethics, and lack of respect. This year I have had students destroy classroom decorations, leave their trash wherever they've sat, cheat, harass, you name it, they done it. I call them on it every time and for the most part, whatever transgression ends there. But every so often, kids will bristle about picking up trash that missed the wastebasket or about not talking during each others presentations or while I'm giving instruction. Really? You can't handle the basics of social interaction?
> And as a parent of FCPS students, I would certainly tell them that a food fight is a big deal; it smacks of profound selfishness. It is food. Food is a resource to which millions of people (in this country) do not have proper access. To callously waste it for "fun" and expect someone else to clean it up speaks to a more profoundly disturbing problem within our society. In this case, the fight quickly escalated, chairs were thrown (at least one student was injured by the flying chairs, baguettes not so much) and the fire alarm was pulled BY THE STUDENTS. The administration needs to make it clear that the behavior is unacceptable. If you can't or won't control yourself, you leave yourself open for others to do it for you.<

So, unless we give the seniors felony convictions (which are debilitating for life), we haven't "made clear that the behavior is unacceptable?"

Do you recommend that your students who don't pick up the trash near the waste bin serve a 10 day suspension?

Do you cancel the football season if one child in the high school exhibits any "bristling" toward any teacher!

The flaw in your argument is a called a black & white fallacy: unless we do what you want, anarchy will rein.

Nonsense. Not one person has said there shouldn't be consequences for the miscreants.

The reaction your witnessing and misunderstanding is the actions/reactions of Wardinski are out of all proportion to the severity of the offense.

Especially if WSHS staff had advanced notice and did nothing to intervene.

Wardinski would then be guilty of reckless disregard for the safety of the kids.

Glad to see you responded to Barbara Hunter's summons to defend FCPS. When is the spinmeister going to get it that denying FCPS mistakes only engenders more criticism.



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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: May 14, 2011 10:50AM

Kids will be kids Wrote:
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> They need to release stress.
>
> If only they would indulge in pot and sex while
> their parents are at work. That is what we did in
> the 90's.


We did that in the 80s as well.

The senior class before mine stole all those little plates with the room numbers off the door the last day of school. They could not be replaced before school started next semester and a lot of freshman got lost.

My senior class got tires and threw them over a flag pole in front of the school. They had to call in a crane to remove the tires. One friend recently sent me a picture of that.

"Someone I know" ahem.... Enrolled a couple of teachers in the Herpes Dating Club.


I "heard" about people going out and stealing "For Sale" signs and placing them, lots of them, in front of the school.

I was not involved, but a teacher had a VW bug and somehow it was moved to a fenced in tennis court.

The point is, do not be "I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you, that there is gambling at Rick's" I mean "projectile consumptables" in a high school.

Perhaps the entire senior class should get together and sing this song for the admin, teachers and parents.




I'm not a juvenile delinquent
No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no
No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no
No-no-no, I'm not a juvenile delinquent
Do the things that's right
And you'll do nothing wrong
Life will be so nice, you'll be in paradise
I know, because I'm not a juvenile delinquent

But listen boys and girls
You need not be blue
And life is what you make of it
It all depends on you
I know, because I'm not a juvenile delinquent

It's easy to be good, it's hard to be bad
Stay out of trouble, and you be glad
Take this tip from me, and you will see
How happy you will be
Oh-oh, boys and girls, this is my story
And I add all of my glory
I know, because I'm not a juvenile delinquent

It's easy to be good, it's hard to be bad
Stay out of trouble, and you be glad
Take this tip from me, and you will see
How happy you will be
Oh-oh, boys and girls, this is my story
And I add all of my glory
I know, because I'm not a juvenile delinquent

No-no-no, I'm not a juvenile
No-no-no, I'm not a juvenile

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.



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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Prom ()
Date: May 14, 2011 11:31AM

Where is the WS from held?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: soo... ()
Date: May 14, 2011 12:26PM

what did you want the kids who knew about it to do? the admin. already knew about it, clearly. and this guys son was obviously responsible because he wanted to sit outside and not partake. how can you say he's guilty? just because he didn't run in the school when it started and tell them to stop? he would have been the main target. and for all the parents on here saying that this was handled right, you have a stick up your ass, live a little. debbie, our custodian at lunch said "kids will be kids, you forgive them." our fucking custodian is being less bitter about the thing. the SENIORS who were caught throwing food had to help Debbie clean up the cafeteria. the guy who started the thing was arrested and then PAW droppped the charges. the school seems to be moving on from the prank. so really the only bitter people left about the whole thing are people like REALITY DOSE and WTOP NEWS. and the only reason it really made news was cause our prom was threatened. look, i already bought my dress, i'm going to prom. PAW was trying to scare us. got it. sweet. i don't need parents of "innocent kids" to be bitching about it to. go away. now that we got that settled, class of '11 deff is the best ;) we made the news. we fucking run WS. try to live up to our standardssss!!!

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: senior ()
Date: May 14, 2011 12:42PM

WTF? Wrote:
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> How can people say that we (the students) were
> supposed to do something about the food fight?
> What do they propose we do about it? They had at
> least 7 administrators in the cafeteria that
> day...EVERYONE KNEW what was going to happen and
> not one administrator did anything to stop it from
> happening...
>
> The announcements we have been having the last two
> days about how "ashamed" or "disappointed" the
> faculty is in us the students for being directly
> responsible for what happened...is a completely BS
> attempt at the admins trying to cover their own
> asses about what went on.
>
> Sincerely,
> Annoyed Student



apperently one of the math teachers said the food fight of 2002 was way worse. kids brought trashbags of rotten food to lunch. there are food fights every year. so why are we being threatened for ours when no one else was the past years?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: speak up ()
Date: May 14, 2011 12:52PM

>
> Good to know that Barbara Hunter/Stu Gibson has
> finally made an appearance.
>
> Good try - move on


LOL, it took a Google search for me to figure out who Jack Dale is even :) I'm flattered, though ... or not? Sorry to disappoint, I'm just an interested citizen and parent. I do happen to be married to a police officer, though, so my bias no doubt runs toward defending people in positions of authority who are so readily trashed. Sure, there are abuses of power, but it's unfortunate that they overshadow the many, many, many good people who work hard and work honestly on our (and our children's) behalf. A little more thanks from the thankless would be a good and welcome thing.

And by the way, of course I wasn't comparing a gang rape with a food fight. That some people in this forum would take it that way was pretty much a given, though, wouldn't you agree? What I am comparing is the RESPONSE. The same kids who are counseled to keep quiet after a food fight will perhaps become silent bystanders to a serious crime some day down the road. I, for one, hope the increasingly "old-fashioned" notion of helping others wins out in the long run.

It's been fun debating, folks, but I'm out of time and out of patience. I hope this food fight mess gets resolved to the satisfaction of all involved -- impossibly idealistic, I know, but my heartfelt best wishes to the WSHS community nonetheless.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: logicaldog ()
Date: May 14, 2011 01:38PM

"Speak up": then I suggest that you work on that - defending people in positions of authority over those that have no power. That really is a disturbing character trait because it keeps anything from improving.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: logicaldog ()
Date: May 14, 2011 01:43PM

To the person who thinks "someone should have done something about it"- the "someone" is the administration who both knew about it ahead of time and did nothing to prevent it and stood there assuming that their powerful reign of terror would suffice to prevent it. You kiss-up morons really make me sick. You are the guardians of all rules, I bet you are military or govt workers and you are what makes this place unbearable, a police state. Whiners? Yes, if you pay a dollar of tax you whine.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Darndle ()
Date: May 14, 2011 02:29PM

Married to a cop, pffffffft, no wonder. Why do these cops and teachers and administrators pretend that they are selfless angels tirelessly doing the work of the Lord? In most cases, they are jaded self serving functionaries earning a paycheck. Nothing more. Patience is running thin with these phony blowhards and their arrogant sense of entitlement.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 14, 2011 07:10PM

logicaldog Wrote:
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> The custodians are not the
> consumers in this system-schools exist for
> students NOT custodians and administrators who
> value custodians more than students or parents. I
> don't have a student who is a senior but if I did
> I would be protesting at that school today to
> demand that there be senior activities and a prom.


Senior activities and prom are not rights your child is entitled to, you know. Sure they are the "consumers" here if you want to call it that. Then they are there for an education. Not sports, not plays, not dances, they are entitled to nothing else. Custodians and administrators deserve and should receive their respect as human beings and not treated as "less thans" by a bunch of sheltered teenagers.



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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: To: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 14, 2011 07:29PM

I think the food fight was out of line but kids need an outlet for their energy.

They deserve a prom and end of the year field trip, except for the food fight kids.

After some being in the authoritative state foe 12 years they deserve some fun.

It must have been a long time since you were a teen.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: this ain't a private school ()
Date: May 14, 2011 07:32PM

The custodians are not the
> consumers in this system-schools exist for
> students NOT custodians and administrators who
> value custodians more than students or parents. I
> don't have a student who is a senior but if I did
> I would be protesting at that school today to
> demand that there be senior activities and a prom.


If we try to create an analogy where the school is a business and it exists for the "consumers", I think the whole community needs to have a say in whether there are sports, proms, dances, etc.---because they are also paying for this business. They are the "investors". The parents would like to think that they can "demand" these things, but they are very mistaken. If this were a private school and they were paying for everything,then they could "demand". You say that the schools exist for the students. Wrong. The schools exist for the society. The "investors" have a stake. They have a lot of power. I don't think the society as a whole (the investors) is interested in paying out for parents and students who "demand" senior activities and proms.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: logicaldog ()
Date: May 14, 2011 08:27PM

Consumers is not pertaining to the business model, it is pertaining to an educational system and social service system. This system EXISTS to serve the students, it is not just there to employ administrators, custodians and teachers, the recipient of the product-education is the students and their parents, they are the stakeholders and not only should expect to receive an excellent product, education, but demand it. It has nothing to do with being a public or private school, we pay (lots) through our property taxes. Schools arent a piece of real estate, especially West Springfield, which would be a rather run down piece of real estate. You apparently don't understand democracy.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Streker 70 ()
Date: May 14, 2011 08:52PM

John 'BLUTO' Blutarski Wrote:
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> Seniors had a foodfight today -

When I went to WSHS in 1976, someone streaked around the track.
Instead of throwing food, I say that the Senior class needs to Streak!

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: this ain't a private school ()
Date: May 14, 2011 08:59PM

I understand democracy. I understand that we, all of the people, pay for and benefit from public schools---whether we have children there or not. I understand that you pay taxes, but I also understand that you do not pay the full amount of your child's education. I understand that we taxpayers are paying for the administration, the teachers, and the custodians. I understand that we must pay more if a part of "we the people" does not take care of what we have bought together. Schools are partly a piece of real estate (sorry, but you are wrong about that). If they were not, there would not be bond referendums (that we, the people, must vote on and pay for). There would not be such a hew and cry for their renovation and upkeep.


I do not agree that the recipients of the educational system are only the parents and the students (as you say it is). The recipients are all of us. If we do not all demand a good system, there will be no growth in this country and no retirement for many of us (as is already starting to happen). The educational system is key to the well being of this country. It is not just about the parents and the students. I would venture to say that YOU are the one who does not understand democracy.

Also, without the administrators, teachers and custodians, you students would have no school. Yes, the school could not exist without students, but it could also not run without administrators, teachers and custodians. You live on a two way street. Life is not all about only you. We, the taxpayers, employ those people---and we are interested in their well being as well as the students' educations. Without them, we and you are toast. Start to respect these people and the taxpayers who include way more than just your parents.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: ain't no private school ()
Date: May 14, 2011 09:04PM

Having said all of the above, I would agree that we need to get the best administrators, teachers and custodians that we can get for you students. I am one taxpayer who is willing to pay for that. You students and parents must convince some others (including the SB) that you are worth the best that they can hire. Food fights don't help the cause.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Out of control ()
Date: May 14, 2011 09:11PM

Look you two are maikng mountains out of molehills. The question isn
t so much about taxes etc, this is about a man who cannot lead. All schools are full of rambunctious teens, they are just afraid or have enough respect for their admins not to do things like this. This is the SECOND school where Wardinski has taken away ceremonies from students. The students need to know how to behave, no doubt, but when your principal has banned standing and cheering at football games, when he passes regulations saying that girls cannot run in sports bras when every other school allows it, when the principal shamelessly sucks up to popular kids, when the principal is never there and leaves his under admins to enforce his dumb rules, rebellion is fomented. THe balame for this is on Wardinski... the man is simply not fit to lead anybody. Nearly every teacher at wshs hopes this is the nail in his coffin.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: asking ()
Date: May 14, 2011 09:28PM

Why can't FCPS get good administrators?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 15, 2011 12:19AM

To: Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> I think the food fight was out of line but kids
> need an outlet for their energy.
>
> They deserve a prom and end of the year field
> trip, except for the food fight kids.
>
> After some being in the authoritative state foe 12
> years they deserve some fun.
>
> It must have been a long time since you were a
> teen.


I don't think they should be cancelled and I agree kids should have fun. My guess is they won't cancel prom, maybe one of the other events though, not really sure. I do understand where the principal is coming from though also, and while these kids may deserve a reward for graduating after all this time, they are not entitled to one at the expense of everyone's time, money, and effort.

Basically, you have no actual "right" to party.



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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Parents wake up ()
Date: May 15, 2011 08:06AM

The reason a big deal has been made out of this is because the seniors targeted the learning disabled kids not their classmates. The LD kids were basically assaulted. These punks are facing criminal charges and the school is facing a big law suit. I know of a family that has hired a lawyer and is asking for $250K in damages. I guess you taxpayers think this is funny?

The LD kids were covered in food and liquids, six of the victims were girls with mild to sever emotional problems and will need counseling to help get over the humiliation these students brought upon them.

So if you parents and punks think this was a prank you are very wrong. It was an assault on defenseless LD kids. That is what they planned and that is what happened.

Many of the "regular students" were herd yelling get the retards.

Low class school, low class parents and low class students.

There will be no prom because of this big deal. See many of you in court.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 15, 2011 09:09AM

now if that is true, then we have ourselves a SERIOUS problem at WS

cause that sorta shit aint cool at all :(

So what's up, WS Seniors - whats yr beef with the LD students? Cause that's pretty pathetic to attack them - kinda like kicking over someone in a wheelchair.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: May 15, 2011 09:14AM

Out of control Wrote:
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>, when he passes regulations saying
> that girls cannot run in sports bras when every
> other school allows it

Pics, we need pictures!

And next year WSHS, instead of a food fight, try streaking. Your grandparents did food fights. You parents streaked.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/15/2011 09:14AM by Radiophile.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: reaction ()
Date: May 15, 2011 09:34AM

If this is true, those students should be required to help LD students in their classrooms and in the school all day every day until school is over (that means no early release for them). If those LD students do not want to see those kids (which I wouldn't blame them), then they should have to go to a special education center and help kids there. Someday they may have a child or a relative with the kinds of issues that these students have. This is truly heartbreaking. No prom or trip for anyone who yelled out "get the retards". Small consequence. Who wants to be at a prom or on a trip with these stupid creeps anyway? These "regular kids" have more problems than the LD students.

This makes me feel incredibly sick. I live in the WS area. I am so disgusted. I have worked with emotionally fragile students and what just happened is a HUGE deal. We work hard to help these students and something like this can undo all of our hard work.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: ur Really informend Great Parent ()
Date: May 15, 2011 10:10AM

speak up Wrote:
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> >
> > Good to know that Barbara Hunter/Stu Gibson has
> > finally made an appearance.
> >
> > Good try - move on
>
>
> LOL, it took a Google search for me to figure out
> who Jack Dale is even :) I'm flattered, though
> ... or not? Sorry to disappoint, I'm just an
> interested citizen and parent. I do happen to be
> married to a police officer, though, so my bias no
> doubt runs toward defending people in positions of
> authority who are so readily trashed.

You are a parent right?
You do not know the name of the Superintendent of Schools (Jack Dale) right?
You "defend people in positions of authority who (sic) are so readily trashed" right?

So basically you admit that you do not have the slightest clue whom is in charge of the schools and yet you defend them -got it. So in a nutshell this is why our country is in a major decline.

People that love authority (but usually 'hate big government') are basically just lazy and willfully ignorant. Which Tea Party event will you be attending next?

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: iftrue ()
Date: May 15, 2011 10:29AM

Parents wake up Wrote:
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> The reason a big deal has been made out of this is
> because the seniors targeted the learning disabled
> kids not their classmates. The LD kids were
> basically assaulted. These punks are facing
> criminal charges and the school is facing a big
> law suit. I know of a family that has hired a
> lawyer and is asking for $250K in damages. I guess
> you taxpayers think this is funny?
>
> The LD kids were covered in food and liquids, six
> of the victims were girls with mild to sever
> emotional problems and will need counseling to
> help get over the humiliation these students
> brought upon them.
>
> So if you parents and punks think this was a prank
> you are very wrong. It was an assault on
> defenseless LD kids. That is what they planned and
> that is what happened.
>
> Many of the "regular students" were herd yelling
> get the retards.
>
> Low class school, low class parents and low class
> students.
>
> There will be no prom because of this big deal.
> See many of you in court.


If these are facts and not made up then the parents (and in some respects the school) failed long before the food fight. I personally find this hard to believe. That more than a very small number of seniors would turn on disabled students in such a hurtful way just doesnt seem likely. A few idiots - sure I believe that. But the assertion that this was an attack on LD students sounds bogus.

Regardless of intent one lesson here is one of law - 'you take your victim as you find him...' That means if you assault someone and they have a heart attack and die YOU are responsible. I am not saying anything as serious as involuntary manslaughter occurred here but if LD students were traumatized those that participated in the food fight and targeted LD kids are responsible and should be punished.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: cd ()
Date: May 15, 2011 10:34AM

"Food fight" is a misnomer, it was a riot. Just because they are "kids" doesn't make them any less dangerous. Maybe even more so, as they have adult-size bodies and tiny, undeveloped brains.

In the future, these things should be handled like any other riot, with massive force, shields, and batons. Split some fucking skulls and maybe they'll get the message.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: May 15, 2011 11:33AM

Lets be PC here. It is no longer called a "food fight"./ It is cqalled "Projectile Comsumptionables".

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: May 15, 2011 11:33AM

Lets be PC here. It is no longer called a "food fight"./ It is cqalled "Projectile Comsumptionables".

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: To: cd ()
Date: May 15, 2011 11:54AM

I hope you are not a parent.

They are called kids for a reason.

Nobody died. Nobody lost an eye.

Get a grip on yourself.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 15, 2011 01:28PM

I was afraid there was targeting going on in this. If that's true, even if it was "get the freshmen!" or something people more or less expect, it still makes this whole situation much more unacceptable. Think of how much it would suck to have to continue your school day covered in food because some jerks decided to pick on you. Or having to call your parents to come pick you up so you can go home early to clean all that stuff off, thinking the whole time about how once again you were singled out as different than the others.

Even if it wasn't just the LD kids and was the nerds and geeks and exchange students or whatever, it's still a shameful thing to do. With the recent crap about bullying (somewhat overblown, perhaps, but still a valid concern) I'm not surprised they're taking it seriously.

That is, if "targeting" happened or there was reason to believe it happened. A lot I've heard of this story is awfully one-sided and ultimately from the students themselves, as far as I can tell.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: cd ()
Date: May 15, 2011 04:20PM

To: cd Wrote:
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> I hope you are not a parent.
>
> They are called kids for a reason.
>
> Nobody died. Nobody lost an eye.
>
> Get a grip on yourself.


I don't call an 18 year old a "kid".

Nobody died or lost an eye THIS TIME. You want to wait until it does happen? You can threaten these morons all you want, but they are not going to believe it until they they get a baton upside the head.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: It was a plain old food fight ()
Date: May 15, 2011 05:03PM

FCPS is going to try and make more out of it then there should be.

Yes,it was stupid. Ban the food fight crowd from senior activities.

In five weeks school will be out and this will be old news.

I am more worried that the school could not handle a simple food fight.

I would hate to see what they would in a real crisis.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: May 15, 2011 06:30PM

A "food fight" implies that there are two opposing sides throwing food at each other. What it is not is a bunch of people hurling food at other people just sitting around who have nothing to do with anything and no idea what is happening or why. Not sure what you'd call that. Probably technically assault.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: names? ()
Date: May 15, 2011 07:18PM

Anyone have the names of the instigators? Who got arrested?

With the publicity of bullying these days (the Mass. high school student who was bullied and committed suicide), FCPS cannot dismiss this incident as a "harmless prank."

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: May 15, 2011 07:20PM

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> A "food fight" implies that there are two opposing
> sides throwing food at each other. What it is not
> is a bunch of people hurling food at other people
> just sitting around who have nothing to do with
> anything and no idea what is happening or why. Not
> sure what you'd call that. Probably technically
> assault.

It is a food orgy.

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: May 15, 2011 07:20PM

cd Wrote:
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> I don't call an 18 year old a "kid".
>
> Nobody died or lost an eye THIS TIME. You want to
> wait until it does happen? You can threaten these
> morons all you want, but they are not going to
> believe it until they they get a baton upside the
> head.

+1

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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Hmm ()
Date: May 15, 2011 11:18PM

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> A "food fight" implies that there are two opposing
> sides throwing food at each other. What it is not
> is a bunch of people hurling food at other people
> just sitting around who have nothing to do with
> anything and no idea what is happening or why. Not
> sure what you'd call that. Probably technically
> assault.

Listening to all the they did nothing wrong garbage on here...this is pretty much from what I've heard actually happened. They want to drop the hammer to make a point; in the end there will be a prom and senior activities...they'll smoke out the main perpetrators and allow the rest of the senior class to do its thing.

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Date: May 15, 2011 11:57PM



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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: Taylor ()
Date: May 16, 2011 12:53AM

I get SO sick of all the entitlement mentality from these students and parents alike. You are NOT OWED a "Prom"! Society does not OWE you a "Senior Beach Weekend".

These things are PRIVILAGES that are REWARDED to students who behave and comport themselves like decent, respectful members of Society. Guess what?....... If you fuck up and act ignorant, you LOSE your PRIVILEGES!

They are no more owed these things than inmates are owed televisions or books. Again, those are REWARDS for appropriate behavior.

The only Prom that ANY of you is owed, is the one you organize, implement, and PAY FOR YOURSELVES AT YOUR OWN RESIDENCES!

If your kids act like fucking heathens then as a parent you should be a bit MORE concerned with the type of animal you're foisting onto society, and much less about the fact that public-schools and local taxpayers OWE your kid a dance.

What a bunch of fucking Morons some of you are.



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Re: West Springfield Food fight
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: May 16, 2011 07:43AM

The perpetrators preyed on innocent students and should be prosecuted. They should be tied up at the canceled prom location so pissed students can throw food at them.

The prom should remain canceled. It is time students learned that their actions in life CAN affect others, and that the perps aren't always the only ones to pay consequences.

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